/vr/ - Retro Games

amen. the lord of dreads has spoken

Yeah, I remember that and I didn't even have a Genesis. I just saw the ads with Knuckles and thought "shit, this guy looks hardcore, he must mean business." The fact you could play as him seemed like Sega was really heating things up and taking Sonic to the next level. The prospect of a brand new playable character was pretty awesome. Meanwhile I was still stuck playing as boring old Mario each game.

Sonic is the only cool dude in the series.

Every sonic female gets a pass because I want to sniff and fuck their asses.

Okay, maybe Knuckles is alright. But I have never liked Tails. When I remember, I turn him off on Sonic 2 and go it solo.

So what I'm saying here is that Sonic would be much cooler if it was just Sonic and Knuckles.

>Back then, there was only Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles
Before there was Knuckles, there were Sally, Rotor, Antoine and Bunny Rabbot.


>>1344484
>Meanwhile I was still stuck playing as boring old Mario each game.
So not Luigi, Toadstool or Toad then?

Technically, Amy Rose predates Knuckles, since she was in Sonic CD.

>>1344521
>>1344517
None of them were playable

>>1344517

What? They were never in any games and you know it. Extremely far from being canon in any way.

>>1344521
I have a theory that Knuckles and Amy are or were originally intended to be one in the same. His long girly "hair", 2 big round breasts err, "fists". Those are the main two but there's lots of little things like his inferior jump height, shorter campaign, the fact he turns pink when goes super sayan, his materialistic obsession with valuable gemstones.

They were both developed roughly around the same time. Who's to say that some high-up member of Sonic Team or Sega didn't want to have a female rival for Sonic that started out as Amy and ended up as Knuckles, or vice versa? It could be a well kept secret among the team, a conspiracy.

I'm pretty much just joking though.

>>1344553
>what is Sonic Spinball

>>1344565
A cheap spinoff not part of the core series.

>>1344565
They appeared in that game? I thought tails just flew Sonic to the pinball zone.

>>1344517
>So not Luigi, Toadstool or Toad then?

>one game, out of the 7 or so available throughout the 90s that mandated you be Mario

>>1344570
So then the Chaotix aren't canon either?

>>1344589
There are a bunch of games that let you be Luigi.

>>1344596
Who is identical for the most part. I don't even think in most games he got higher jumps. Pretty sure in SMW he was exactly the same as Mario.

>>1344596
When I was 10, one of my friends preferred to play as Luigi, so when he fired up SMW, he'd plug in the second controller, steal all of Mario's lives, and kill him off.

>>1344603
This is (part of) why I don't understand the whole Sonic vs Mario "rivalry" of the 90's. If you examine the games objectively, there is absolutely no question that Sonic has much, much more to offer.

>>1344621
It was commercialism cooked up by the companies and ad firms to sell units. I never met another kid who hated one versus the other.

Knuckles was always destined to be this, regardless of how many new characters were added and how simple or complex the plots to each game got. The entire "rivalry" in S3&K was because Robotnik lied to him and the entire situation was patched up by the end of the game's storyline. Knuckles was less "rival enemy" and more "friendly dude who occasionally competes against you" as early as Drift 2, keeping that during Sonic the Fighters, 3D Blast and R with Triple Trouble being the only game where he's a full antagonist again. Knuckles is more analogous to Yamcha or Tien.

>>1344593
According to Sega Knuckles Chaotix isn't canon, the team was reintroduced in Sonic Heroes. This also means all Chaotix characters not seen since Heroes are non-canon. Looking at you, Mighty the Donutsteel.

>>1344693
But Mighty was introduced in the arcade game.

there was barely any sembalance of character interaction in the games, espcially the older ones

You must be thinking of the comic books and cartoons which really isn't a discussion about video games.

>>1344917
Yes there was.
No I'm not.
Fuck off.

>>1344693

>The entire "rivalry" in S3&K was because Robotnik lied to him and the entire situation was patched up by the end of the game's storyline. Knuckles was less "rival enemy" and more "friendly dude who occasionally competes against you"

That pretty much sums it up

Knuckles was my favorite too, outclassing Tails simply for being the new character. That, and his ability to glide and climb to places that not even Tails himself could reach because of the limited flying ability.

of all the later characters though, Cream would be my last favorite. Mainly because she could also fly, and could command her Chao to attack enemies in the Advance games. everyone else was just Poochie except they still live every once in a while,
also these guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLH7Yr1CUg

>>1345375
I know. I'm OP and I stand corrected. But I hate how right that guy is. I liked Knuckles better as an antagonist/rival.

>>1345691
>That, and his ability to glide and climb to places that not even Tails himself could reach because of the limited flying ability.
You are now realizing just how significant his super glide ability is.

In case any doesn't know it's a section of code in the way he's programmed that basically doubles his downward air speed in the opposite direction (ie, up) if you glide right before hitting an enemy. That's what enables him to rebound huge distances and really get into many areas that even Tails can't get to by flying. The game as a whole would definitely be a lot more bland without it.

Sonic lore and characters have always been awful. Since Day One. A bunch of flippant animals with 'tude fight Theodore Roosevelt. I didn't buy into Sonic being "cool" back in the day, and I don't buy into it now.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the first three games are fucking amazing. They're stupid fun. Fast, great music, moderately challenging. But now the series is leaning on its weakest assets: the characters, including Sonic himself.

>>1344495
>I want to sniff and fuck their asses.
Come on, man, have some self-respect.

>>1346156
>But now the series is leaning on its weakest assets: the characters, including Sonic himself.
2006 was eight years ago bud.

>>1344621
Sonic 3:
>3 fully developed playable characters complete with their own unique sprite sheets and abilities (6 if you count super/hyper transformations)

Mario 3:
Basically 1 playable character. "Luigi" is little more than a cheap palette swap with slightly different handling.

Knuckles really needs to go back to being a smug dick.

>>1344495
b-but Tails is a girl.

>>1346186
>S&K vs SMB3
>released 4 years apart (6 if you're nip)

>>1346207
They're each the 3rd entry in their respective series. It's really the only fair comparison to make, if one can be made at all. Honestly, they're two different games so it's not that fair to begin with.

But still.

So why does tails never get any love? He was probably my favourite character

>>1346223
i dont know why but i also liked tails first and sonic second, then vice versa because sonic was the star, without him there would be no tails. heck i liked all the "player 2" characters: luigi, Zitz, Jimmy Lee, Ken (i still consider Ken as a P2 to Ryu) because irl i was a "player 2".

>>1346223
If it's any consolation he gets some in the cartoons.

>>1346232
I think he means by the fans. People seem to like either Sonic or Knuckles. I'm actually with him and say I'm more of a fan of Tails.

>>1344475
While I don't think we'll ever see a reboot of the series, nor do I think one is needed, it would be nice to have some of those extra characters get retired so future games can focus on just Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. Hell, put Amy in there too if you want. Everyone else is a bit unnecessary.

>>1344495
> I want to sniff and fuck their asses.
and this is why the sonic fanbase is one of the worst

>>1346242
That, or make a JRPG-style game featuring all of them.

I know, it'll never happen, sadly.

>>1346257
Actually most of the Sonic fans I've talked to seriously aren't bad at all. I think the whole stereotype about Sonic fans on the web is mostly just a myth at this point, they had a bad reputation years ago but I think it's improved a lot over time.

Then again I could be wrong, that's just been my experience.

>>1345375
>>1344693
What about Triple Trouble?

>in before not canon

>>1346261

>That, or make a JRPG-style game featuring all of them.

Sounds right in line with what they've been doing, i.e. shit. Not that i dislike jrpgs in general but man, sonic rpg would suck balls.

>>1344475
Shadow is pretty much Sonic's new rival

>>1346287
Not in my head it doesn't.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure they would fuck it up anyway.

>>1346297
>DARK SANIC
So fucking edgy and lame and derivative of Dark Link.
>dem roll- err, hover skates
>dat gun
Gaaaaaaaay

>>1346261
>a JRPG-style game featuring all of them.
I guess that would be the only way to take everything cringeworthy about the franchise one step further.

>>1346306
Shut up, I like JRPGS

>>1346298

>Not in my head it doesn't.

I wouldn't listen to those voices if i were you... But seriously, what about it sounds good? I can only imagine a generic jrpg with sanic and frands thrown in.

>>1346316
Look, I don't know, it just does ok? Stop disliking what I like.

>>1346302
>Dark Link is a fucking edgy, gun-wielding, hover-skating rival of Link's
This is what i thought you said, and i enjoyed the thought for a few seconds. here have this,

>>1344495
>sniff and fuck their asses
eh.

>never liked Tails
AWW HELL NAW

everybody I knew thought Knuckles was a girl

and a red hedgehog

>>1346340
His design is pretty bad. Looks like he's bald on top and growing out the hair that's left on the side.

>>1346345
I agree I like Sonic's design better but as far as gameplay goes I think in S3K Knuckles had a little/a lot more to offer. If Sonic could stop on a dime and super bounce, maybe... but as is, the shields are fun and all but they can't compare with climbing and gliding and everything else.

But yeah, I'm not a huge fan of KTE's design either. It's not bad, but Sonic at least beats him there.

>>1346340
Sometimes it's fun to pretend he is a girl and play through the game from that perspective. I honestly have done this a lot.

Actually, I would really like to play a hack of this game or something that makes Red Sonic have Knuckles abilities. That would be sweet.

>>1344634
>90's scholars talking about the epic mario/sonic wars that nobody gave a fuck about

>>1344693
Knuckles was clearly Piccolo, he was gardian of the dragon emeralds and changed sides once a higher power had opposed him

>>1346261
>or make a JRPG-style game featuring all of them.
They already kind of attempted that, and we all know how it went.

>>1346367
What?
Piccolo was never the guardian of anything. He was just all of the evil inside Kami locked up in a container and dumped at the bottom of the sea.

>>1346371
OH GOD PLEASE NOT AGAIN. I still have nightmares remembering how bad that game was.

>>1346385
Well it's pretty exemplary of why Sonic doesn't work as a JRPG

>>1344475
Knuckles was the shit. I remember as a kid myself and a few friends would play 'sonic' in the school playground, running around and shit. I always chose to be Knuckles, every damn time. Cause Knuckles is fucking boss.

>>1344495

I really hate how they ditched those abstract concepts and the whole Mobius world just to throw sonic in boring ass earth with his new boring ass friends.

>>1346391
It's pretty exemplary of how shit a dev Bioware is.

Sonic could do fine as an RPG.

>>1346501

No he couldn't... The whole Sonic universe is pretty shitty, there's zero depth.

>>1346518
Yeah bro, you're right, just like the Mario games. They could never work as a JRPG.

>>1346520

Even Mario has more depth, Sonic is one step over Tetris.

>>1346524
Even though you're wrong, and if Sonic needed more "depth", they could easily add some new shit like all the Mario RPGs did.

Hell, they could take stuff from the comics if they really needed to.

But I'll save you the trouble of telling me that I'm wrong because for some reason you really don't like Sonic.

>>1346223
Because he's kawaii desu ne

>>1346518
>depth
>in any way a requirement for a JRPG

You need a villain, a hero, and a cast of generic monsters. Sonic is overqualified already.

>>1346528

>because for some reason you really don't like Sonic.

I like Sonic for what it is, or was, fast platformer where you don't need a lot of depth or story.

>>1346520
You've kinda got a point. The Mario RPG's work because they make fun of the main Mario series to an extent, the Sonic franchise is so ripe for parody if done right it could be glorious. Although given the general quality of writing in the Sonic franchise I can't see it working

>>1344475
Picollo was actually important till the end. For example at Buu saga he was responsible for training Gotens and kid Tranks. Also he's the wise one of the company since Sayans are stupid as monkeys.

>>1346261
>Sonic fans
>Not bad at all
You must be new at the internet.

>Knuckles in S3&K
Piccolo at the beginning of Z
>Knuckles after S3&K
Piccolo after fusing with Nail and Kami

>>1344475
I find this costume pretty hilarious. Look how cheap it is, doesn't even include huge giant fists which is like Knuckles' defining feature right up there with his dreads.

And look how serious the kid looks. It's almost like whoever took the photo knew it was retarded and wanted to make fun of it by making it look even more dorky by having that expression and pose.

The fact that it's a little black kid is interesting too because I'm pretty in Adventure onwards Knuckles is basically portrayed as a rappin' black guy.

>>1344565
The only sonic game I can enjoy for more than a couple of levels

>>1344621
Apart from better, funner games

>>1344475
You do realized that a lot of the newer characters have pretty much been phased out, right? Not counting Generations which is an anniversary thing. It ain't 2006 anymore, anon.

Anyway, yeah, I've always liked Knuckles, and I especially liked him in Sonic 3 where he was this laughing chucklefuck. But then the DC games rolled around and made him serious and shit. Didn't like it. It'd be nice if he actually got some focus again.

>>1346186
>A game has more characters
>Therefore it is better

I like both games, but you have a stupid way of looking at this.

>>1347152
That's just one of many, many examples, anon.

But apparently I can't post the rest or I get banned.

Damn buttmad Mario fans.

>>1346948
But he's pointing out that any Sonic fan he has met IRL has never been like those encountered over the internet. The internet allows people to connect more and so you can see more things, thus you can see the more autistic fanbase because they're all on the internet, but you're not always likely to encounter them in real life.

>>1346316
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTSE9q-aCj0 sonic had a generic RPG. It was bioware though.

>>1347260

Translation: The rest of my explanations are shitposting, pure and simple.

I see the "Sonic Army" shitposter is back.

>>1347152
Second.

>>1347903
Not him, but here's an example of outrageous mod abuse.

See you in three days.

>>1347908
>break rules clearly defined rules (complaining about mods/moderation)
>posts get deleted and you are banned
>IT'S A CONSPIRACY

are you retarded

>>1346242
My dream next-gen Sonic game would be a sprite-based platformer with a fuckload of ancillary characters to choose from, and huge stages that give each of them unique routes.

>>1347918
>point
>your head

>>1347924
Dude, you're a total pedophile you know that?

>>1347924
There is no missed points. That post got deleted for breaking the rules. That's all there is to it.

You're a retard if you can't see this.

>>1347931
are*

It's late here.

>>1344475

>>1347931
I'm not even that guy but jesus christ, why would they be deleting posts? that just causes people to complain and then get banned do you see how that works. The point is nobody should be deleting anything in the first place if you don't want to see unpopular opinions go to reddit where you can upboat the most epic maymays and all the bad stuff is hidden for you mr sensitive.

>>1347982
>why would they be deleting posts?

Because said posts broke the rules, you dumb fuck.

>>1347989
stating your opinion on donkey kong country isn't against the rules. Seriously how fucking stupid do you get?

>>1348032
>stating your opinion on donkey kong country isn't against the rules.

I never said it was. I was referring to the complaining about the mods. I outright said this so I'm not sure why there's confusion.

You're either dense, cannot read, or being willfully ignorant so you can appear to look like a martyr over "mod abuse"

Protip: If you're going to try to make it look like mod abuse is going on, don't fucking include evidence of you breaking rules.

By the way

>8. Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc.) on the imageboards can result in post deletion and banishment. The administrator will address your questions, comments, complaints, and concerns via e-mail.

https://www.4chan.org/rules

>>1348032
You are, again, a total pedophile.

>>1348041
Shithead, you're the one who can not read. I never said those weren't breaking the rules. I said deleting posts stating your opinion on a game and having those posts get deleted unnecessarily is going to cause people to complain and then do stupid shit like get banned. Seriously can you fucking read son? I was saying don't delete those posts in the first place, nobody complains, nobody gets banned. You were too stupid to follow I see though.

>>1348049
Why are you refusing to acknowledge my post? >>1348045

>>1348049
The only one complaining is you.
I am sorry you are not used to a board whose users actually report posts and like to keep the board as clean as they can.

>>1348045
That's not me goof, I'm just saying some people on this site have some pretty jagged edges just because their opinion is not popular doesn't mean you have to delete what they say. That just places /vr/ in reddit tier downboat this shit so it gets hidden.

>>1348057
Shut it, kill yourself and take your entitlement elsewhere. You're not welcome here and you never were.

>>1348054
What the fuck are you talking about? You shouldn't be allowed to report something you don't agree with. If he's just obvious flame baiting then yeah he should get banned, but if you just say this game is shitty because whatever reasons then don't delete his posts. You fucking mongos need to get off my back though I like donkey kong country you stupid fucks.

>>1348057
>That's not me goof, I'm just saying some people on this site have some pretty jagged edges just because their opinion is not popular doesn't mean you have to delete what they say.

But no one is getting their posts deleted for not liking DKC games.

>>1348067
Then why is that guy going ape shit?

>>1348063
Okay junior I think its time for your nap.

>>1348075
Well if you looked at the screencapped posts in question, you'd see someone complaining about the mods. Said person's posts got deleted and he was banned. This is what the rules state.

If he said, "I don't like DKC" and left out those retarded comments about the moderators the mods would not give a fuck.

But he's either too retarded to see this or trying to get people to think poorly of the mods, in spite of him including evidence of his own rule breaking.

Really, you should not expect any more from the guy who was spending hours shitposting on /vr/ over the holidays.

>>1347075
>better, funner games
Sonic 3:
Complex, multiple branching paths and routes through the levels, which are all highly detailed with tons of secrets and hidden stuff you didn't even know existed, even 20 years later. Very high replay value.
Mario 3:
Relatively simple, linear levels with a few obvious "secrets" that once you inevitably stumble upon them that's all there is to know. Average replay value.

>>1347903
So, yeah, that's not shitposting. That's literally pure, objective facts.

captcha designation foreal

>>1348456
>same shitty shitpost
>"objective"

Pic related. It's you. You and all of your kind.

>>1348464
How is it shitposting? Seriously. The only shitposting here is you, troll.

Do I really have to post pics showing the level maps of each respective game? Cuz I fucking will.

>>1348468
Here is one small example.
I couldn't post the whole map for Sonic because it's almost 8 mb, the Mario map was fine though only 193 kb.
It's worth mentioning that although I used red and blue to denote Knuckles and Sonic's paths respectively, it's entirely possible for any of the 3 characters to follow any of the others routes.

>>1348456
>my opinions are objective facts

hue

>>1346554
this is pretty much what the newest installments in the series do

>>1348486
How are those opinions and not objective facts? Just look at the fucking picture.
>multiple, branching, interconnected paths
vs
>relatively linear, simple paths
Are you seriously this stupid?

>>1348483
You are operating under the fallacy that more complexity inevitably equals higher quality.

>>1348490
>look at my cherrypicked picture
>it proves me right

ahaha

>>1348492

He's also operating under the fallacy of "complex = good"

Why the fuck do you guys compare two games from two different console generations released with literally half a decade between them?

>Look at Super Mario Bros
>Now look at Pac-Man
>This proves something!

>>1348496
It's not really cherry picked, though. The sonic map is from 5-2 in Sonic, the Mario map is from 5-4 in Mario. The games are set up differently, but basically Mario 3 goes 3 areas and a sub-boss, then 3 more areas and a world boss. So, area 5-4 through 5-6 would be the closest thing to an "act 2" in Sonic. I didn't put the other 2 areas though because it's really not fair as they're technically separate levels. The fact that the games came out on different systems at different times doesn't really matter for the sake of comparison of the two, which as I've already admitted cannot be accurately compared because different games, but still... this is the closest results you can get.

>>1348503
Because there's a moron in here dead set on "proving" this board has a Nintendo bias and does so with the most ass-fuckingly retarded arguments.

It's sad.

>>1348504
>It's not really cherry picked, though.

You picked two very unrelated areas and posted them side by side.

>the rest of that post

wat

>>1348506
That's not what I'm doing, I'm not that guy if there is someone like that, and my arguments simply are not what you describe them as. Though the fact that you do only serves to discredit your own side's merit.

>>1348509
So which two areas from Sonic 3 and Mario 3 ARE related that I should have picked, in order for my post to not be "cherry picked"?

I bet you can't tell me. So far all you've done is criticize my arguments without really refuting them with evidence of your own. Feel free to post your own comparison maps of any that you find if you think there are any that could prove me wrong.

>>1348510
>That's not what I'm doing.

Well, okay, bu--

>Though the fact that you do only serves to discredit your own side's merit.
>own side's merit
>own
>side

Ahaha, nice try.

FYI, I'm not even on a side here.

>>1347896
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o47N-aYd08

>>1348514
>So far all you've done is criticize my arguments without really refuting them with evidence of your own.

I don't need evidence to refute your arguments when your arguments are based on faulty reasoning.

>>1348515
>he said sides therefore I'm right
We obviously have taken different stances on the issue, the fact that I recognize this doesn't make me a troll.

>>1348517
>faulty reasoning.
>faulty reasoning... in my opinion
I think that's what you meant

>>1348520

It's not really my opinion that your area comparison is cherry picked.

>>1348525
>comparison is cherry picked.
>comparison is cherry picked... in my opinion.
I'm getting pretty tired of fixing your posts for you. Your opinion is wrong, by the way. Bye.

>>1348529
>I'm losing the argument, time to close the browser and pretend this never happened!

>>1348529
>'m getting pretty tired of fixing your posts for you.

You aren't doing a very good job.

>Your opinion is wrong

lol

>Bye.

You won't be missed.

>>1348529
Go fuck yourself.

>>1348101
>>1348075
>>1348052
>>1348045
>>1348041
>>1347989
>>1347931
>>1347918
You'd all better check the archived thread linked in picture in >>1347908 post.
>inb4 "I'm not that stupid to write it manually"
So you want miss whole thing he wanted to tell.
On topic: I'm kinda agree that later Sonic games have too much characters, but without them it would turn into something like Mario series. Sonic would be Mario, Tails would be Luigi, Amy would be Peach and Robotnik would be Bowser.
>>1346371
The only thing I didn't like in that game is that it's too RNG-dependant and characters lacked damage. Seriously, the only character that could do real damage was Amy (at least prior to moment you meet Big, then I somehow fucked up my save and didn't want to do all that stuff again).

>>1348540
>>1348535
>>1348534

>>1344475
>He was the Vegeta to Sonic's Goku
Wrong, he's was Piccolo

also,

DB= 2D/Classic Sonic
DBZ= 3D/Heroes Sonic
DBGT= New Sonic
BoG= Adventure/'06 Sonic

>>1352150
The fuck is BoG?

>>1344517
so were Yamcha Krillin and Tien, but they apparently dont matter to most

>>1352181
Battle of Gods
It was a recent (2013) film that takes place five years after the Majin Buu battle.

If you want a summary of what happens in the film, spoilers and all, watch this:
http://vimeo.com/83512779

>>1352150
I think a better equivalent of BoG is unleashed-generations and GT equivalent are the Wii games (black knight, secret rings and maybe colors but that game is in generations so idk)

I think DBZ is equivalent to SA1,2, heroes and 06

>>1352150
>DB= 2D/Classic Sonic
If that were true, then Knuckles would be Krillan. Goku's original rival. Piccolo would be shadow.

>you will never live in a dimension where shadow the hedgehog was never created

>>1352471
I want to get off Shadow the Hedgehog's wild ride

so this question technically isn't /vr/ but sonic is so whatever. What was the last good sonic game? The last one I played was Sonic Adventure DX Director's cut for Gamecube and I liked it

>>1352498
Sonic 3 and Knuckles for the Sega Genesis

>>1352457
That would make Tails the Bulma of the group, right? She was Goku's first real adventuring partner, plus she provided the gadgets and drove/piloted the vehicles.

>>1352498
Generations is accepted by many as great.

Lost worlds have mixed opinions but is not a bad game

>>1352498
I remember hearing about how Sonic Colors was "The best Sonic game in years!!!"

That said, I lost interested part way through the second world/zone/whatever. The side-scrolling mini-game levels, however, are much more fun.

>>1352498
Sonic 3 & Knuckles was the last great game before the decline started.

Sonic Unleashed was a halfway great game, the day stages were great but the night stages were slow and plodding. Colors was good. Generations was good but short, but it's also on PC so you can mod it to hell and back (my favorite mod is one that adds all the Unleashed day stages). Lost Worlds was a step back but not terrible.

>>1346371
The idea of a JRPG-style Sonic game isn't by itself bad (and would probably be a good idea, Mario series has RPGs too), the execution was lacking. It did however have a pretty good plot and characterization. The character interactions were top notch and the guys who handled plot and dialogue were pretty much the only ones doing their job right.

>>1352607
That unleashed stages in generations mod is finished?

>>1352630
Yup.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/sonic-generations-unleashed-project

>play Sonic 3 first time
>wonder why the fuck Sally is all red and has no jacket now
Was I the only one who did this?

>>1352649
huh thak you.

I find kinda impressive that sonic team didn't do any DLC like this.

>>1352471
>wanting to live in a dimension where Shadow doesn't exist

>>1352659
Generations didn't sell that well, so that's probably why they didn't and why they're focusing on the Wii from now on.

>>1352665
I bet you cried in SA2 ending

>Implying Blaze the Cat isn't the best Sonic character since Knuckles

>>1352669
http://youtu.be/Cf7fh-6gq84

>>1355380
hahahahaha.
yes, it is.

>>1344574
They appear in the Sonic-plays-real-pinball bonus levels