/vr/ - Retro Games

This thread always gets personal.

Blood > Shadow Warrior > Duke Nukem 3D

>>1292747
>Can't say I've ever played Blood though
That´s sad, anon... I like Blood a lot more than the other 2. All of them are great games

>>1292747
Duke's the only one worth shit.

>>1292747
DN3D = Blood > Shadow Warrior >> Redneck Rampage >>>> *

You should enable the multiplayer on duke nukem you have to go into the properties and enable the public beta to get multiplayer. I cooped the whole first episode with my friend last night was good shit.

>>1292873
Says you have to have a code, which I don't have

>>1292879
no you dont you just choose public beta from the dropdown then close the window then it updates your game

>>1292881
Ah, okay, gotcha

Blood is a pain in the ass to get working. Dosbox needs some configuring and the few solutions I tried didn't work. I still have to exhaust the rest of the solutions I found, but it's been a tiring process.

The other two work peachy, though, so I'm thankful for that particularly in the case of Duke.

Duke 3D is my goto anytime I'm feeling nostalgic. But Shadow Warrior is a damn fine game. Only ever scratched the surface of Blood, might play all the way through it someday.

I often wish somebody would cram all the weapons and enemies from Duke 3D and Shadow Warrior into the same game. That might be my ultimate shooter. The "Battletoads Double Dragon" of shooters that never happened.

>>1292887
I still have hope someone nice will release the source code.
That or they release an update for modern systems.

>>1292898
It really pisses me off that Blood's source code was never released. It's just not right.

>>1292747
Why don't they do a blood remake thing on steam like the did with shadow warrior redux and duke nukem atomic? I would buy the fuck out of that.

How well does Blood from GoG work?

I'm almost tired of fiddling and am almost to the point where I'd rather just spend 3 bucks.

>>1292895

A huge death match game of Duke, SW, and Blood with all maps, weapons, and characters would be GOTYAY. I'm kinda creaming myself thinking about it.

Is playing through the redneck rampage sequel and expansion worth it? I played through the first game awhile back and had some fun but the level design and humor started to grate on me, was just wondering if either of them was worth powering through as well or if it was just more of the same.

>>1293328
Because whoever currently owns the ip is a huge dick and won't let anything Blood related get released.

>>1292747
For me Duke > Blood > SW, though they're all fantastic games worthy of the praise that only Duke receives.

My major problem with SW is mainly from the weapons which, for an fps, is huge. Many of the guns don't "feel" right, they seem weak and underwhelming. The shurikens/uzis look, sound, and feel weak and the Riot Gun is without a doubt the worst fps shotgun I've ever experienced using. Sticky Bombs are ass, the Grenade Launcher is more dangerous to you, and the Railgun, while cool, is pretty useless. The Ripper Heart is a glorified, though overpowered, HoloWang.

I found SW to be the most fun when using nothing but the sword and inventory items. But SW really shines with its incredible atmosphere and level design, something the big three Build games share.

>>1292887
Blood 1&2 both have a GOG version

>>1293328
>>1293581
Actually the person who currently owns the rights to Blood is working on doing an enhanced port of it. Wish I had some sauce, but you'll just have to take my word for it

>>1293591
I disagree on the weapon front. I like most of SW's arsenal, Riotgun included. Although the Ripper Heart is a little odd.

The shurikens are designed to be weak, reusable, and plentiful in ammo. You're really not supposed to fall back on them until ammo has become scarce, much like Duke's pistol. Uzis are weak, but they are also deadly when dual-wielded.

SW is just a different beast than Duke, all the way to the basics. You're supposed to stick to cover more, due to hitscan basic enemies who chip your health a lot faster. With caution, the Uzis quickly become very powerful. But most enemies have a large health pool because Lo Wang's weapons range to a lot deadlier than Duke's (shrink ray not withstanding).

Just bought Blood from Gog and it's choppy as shit.

I've been tinkering with it for a while but nothing helps it. For fuck's sake.

Blood takes a giant shit on those other two mediocre shooters. Only retarded plebs don't understand this. Fact of life.

>>1294303
Play on a lower resolution x

>>1294303
Another protip: make sure you set alternative fire to right click when you set up your controls, it's imperative. and be sure to use your alternative fire xox

>>1294909
And this is why people hate Bloodfags.

>>1294921

That's not a Bloodfag, that's a shitposting troll trying to stir shit up. Ignore him when he posts again (and he WILL post again).

Duke 3D is the best one, Blood is the coolest one, Shadow Warrior is the weakest link but still a good game. Shadow Warrior's also the only one to get a good second game (that new prequel)

People who say Blood is the best one and Duke/Shadow are shit are just trying to get cred for liking the most obscure, macabre one

Merry Christmas. Here's a shit expansion to raise your spirits.

>>1295060

Shadow warrior's the most technologically advanced one. Dem vehicles and turrets

>>1295060
>People who say Blood is the best one are just trying to get cred for liking the most obscure, macabre one
and people who say that are idiots

>>1295142
/v/ works in extremes, there is no middle ground.

>>1295142

Okay, go ahead and explain why the other two games are bad and why Blood is the pinnacle of FPS game design

>>1295160
stop putting words in my mouth

>>1295142
>People who say Blood is the best one AND DUKE/SHADOW ARE SHIT are just trying to get cred for liking the most obscure, macabre one

You're ignoring and removing that part just to change the meaning/context in your biased favor, aren't you?

>>1295170

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with prefering Blood, but to then say that Duke and SW are terrible just makes you look like you hate the popular ones for being somewhat well known and you love the less popular one for not being as well known. In a direct comparison, it's pretty damn hard to say something bad about Duke/SW if you find Blood's gameplay great

>>1292870
DN3D isn't that poorly designed.

All three games are equally good imo. Redneck's Rampage is the only bad one.

I liked Blood more, but it's just a matter of taste.

>>1295064
That was my Christmass game of choice this year as I was playing trough the megaton edition anyway.

>>1295186
Who the fuck would say Duke 3d or SW are horrible? I prefer Blood out of all the build engine games but I'd never say that the other build game are horrible.

>>1295256

>Who the fuck would say Duke 3d or SW are horrible?

The guy in this thread whose comment got deleted

>>1295170
No I'm just saying that people like you are idiots.

>>1295604

>that embarrassed self-defense mechanism

>>1295619
>bumping a thread for your worthless banality

>>1295064
>playing it on Megaton Edition
>can barely even make it past the Snowmen on "Let's Rock" difficultly

>>1292895
>>1293508
WG realms 2?

WG REALMS 2!!!

It starts slowly but gets extremely crazy (and hard) after the first levels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_LbJWq1whE

>>1295958
The snowmen are a real bitch. They throw the tanks at you before you have a huge ammo pool, the snowball throwing ones somehow hit you through walls. The difficulty curve of that whole expansion is all over the place.

>>1292747
you forgot one

>>1295973

Dude that's awesome. Thanks so much for letting me know this exists.

>>1295973

What are those guns from?

>>1295604
Such lack of explanation
Much self-defense
WOW!

>>1296053
Good old PC shovelware.

>>1295604

So you're just gonna' say that repeatedly like a broken record in defense of your irrational opinion that has no good explanation or reasoning to it?

Looks like you're the bigger idiot for your mindless fanboyism.

>yfw

>>1296416
People who say that people only prefer Blood to other two BUILD engine games because it is 'obscure' are idiots. There's really no reason for me to justify this to clueless idiots like yourself. I'm not being the fanboy here, you are, since you are unable to accept a contrary opinion to what your preference to the BUILD engine games is.

Started playing Build engine games when Shadow Warrior became free on steam. Played trough that and it's 2 expansions, played trough Blood and Post Mortem (can't get Cryptic Passage to run). Now I'm playing trough Duke and it's expansions.

I heard mixed things about Redneck Rampage. People on the internet seem to hate it while my buddy who loves 90s FPS games says it's more than worth checking out. What's your guys opinion on it?

>>1296993
I remember getting lost in this level the first times I played it (which means, several times). I know it by heart now.

Megaton makes it really easy to play the official add ons, 2 of which are great. So that's nice.

The Workshop for Megaton is fantastic as well, very userfriendly. I can't believe one of my map is the best rated and got downloaded more than A THOUSAND times already (it's not even THAT good and not my best map). Before the workshop existed that same map had only been downloaded 200-300 times total in several years... I hope this keeps up and is not just a fad. It motivates me to build more maps.

>>1293507
It works just fine. I recommend switching to a lower resolution when it boots up though because at the 640 default the framerate is around 30fps for me. At 320 I get 60+ fps. It's low res, of course, but I'd much prefer to play it at a higher framerate than at 30.

>>1297119
Same here. Had to play at 320*200 for a good framerate. A friend mine says he could play in 640*480 at 60fps though so Iguess it all depends on your computer.

>>1297124
well
fml

>>1297129
It looked fine really. Of course it looks better starting 640*400 but it's fine, feels like 1996 all over again playing on my 486 DX4 100mhz

>>1297015
>That self-defense and superiority complex.

Keep rewinding the "you are an idiot" argument like a broken record, pebble. There's really a reason for you to justify your statement otherwise you are the one with the illogically irrational fanboyism.

It's not the contrary opinion itself that is unacceptable, it's the lack of a proper explanation or justification, which your repeated statements suffer from.

>>1297015
People who call such people idiots without explanation are even bigger idiots themselves. There's really an absolutely needed and necessary reason for you to justify this to curious geniuses like us. I'm not being the fanboy here, you still are, since you are unable to properly and logically explain your opinion and can only lash out and attack the intelligence of others because you are so butthurt over what they think of people who can't logically explain why they prefer one game over two others. (which you are one of, unsurprisingly)

>>1297015
Oh please just shut up, ignore that statement and go back to playing your favorite game already. It's asspained kids like you who make Blood fans look bad.

I liked Shadow Warrior too, although some of the monster graphics somehow looked like they had been clumsily ripped from video to me. Also the caterwauling of those ripper things really did sound like a cat giving birth through a foghorn. But the weapon variety and gameplay were both great imo. I thought the first level did hurl a new player into the thick of it pretty fast though. You wouldn't be familiar with the enemies and yet you have uzi wielding hitscanners who can chop your life down pretty quick if you let them, and one of those shaded out super-henchmen in the subway (and a gun turret!). Even so, it did spotlight lots of cool elements in the game early on, which was probably the point anyway. I really liked some of the level concepts too - going around the side of a volcano felt epic. Personally I'd put Duke3D and Blood above SW, but SW is still well worth getting into (especially if you like Duke and Blood). Tbh the only mediocre or even bad game in the Build series is Redneck Rampage, they really seem to have hit on more-or-less winning formulas for the other three.

I was going to make this list into one of those info charts but since I've been lazy I'm posting it here

Build engine

Top tier
Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Redneck Rampage, Witchhaven II

Early releases
Ken's Labyrinth
Tekwar
Witchhaven
PowerSlave

Late releases
Redneck Deer Huntin'
Redneck Rampage Rides Again
NAM
World War II GI
Extreme Paintbrawl

Non-commercial / Mods
Duke Nukem 64
DN Forever 2013
Duke Nukem Eternity
Alone In The Dark
Age of Evil
Zombie Crisis
The Gate
WG Realms
Grins of Divinity

Other
Corridor 8 (Prototype version)
Fate (Demo only)
Ken-Build (Test game)

>>1297230

Nice, I had no idea the Build Game popped up in more places than just the Duke, Blood, SW, RR titles ( I'm this poster: >>1297231 ). I'll probably check some of those out sometime.

>>1292747

gotta say duke3d is the best of the 3. although i like the humour in blood way better... sadly there are no good ports for blood such eduke32 for duke3d... never played much shadow warrior...always felt like a duke rip-off, but maybe thats just my opinion. pic kinda related

>>1297235
Yeah, unfortunately most of the other commercial Build releases were far from being as good as Duke/Blood/SW but, but they all had some interesting things

Witchhaven and NAM were cool, and the Build mods are pretty good. Also the soundtrack to Extreme Paintbrawl is awesome.

>>1297230
You should add AMC TC and Starship Troopers to the list of mods. Obviously there are tons more mods and TCs for Duke3D but those 2 are essential.

>>1297124
I can get 640x480 in dosbox and it generally sits at the near 65-70 cap.
320x240 runs smooth as butter. at constant 70.
You might want to check that you're running overlay and possibly remove vsync unless it bothers you. If you for example has a constant 59 fps, it'd float you at 30fps instead.

>>1295216
he's saying it is the best along with blood

>>1297238

Shadow Warrior was the only good game out of the three.

>>1297574
Point
Head

>>1297386
>Starship Troopers
Agreed. That mod is incredible.

>>1297708
the newest mods like AMC TC and WGRealms 2 got it beat, but for the time it was incredible. Better than some build engine commercial releases.

>>1297230
what is this "Alone In The Dark" mod?

>>1297765
I guess he means the mod for Blood

Best song in ep.2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNiF37hn50

>>1292791
Blood > Duke Nukem 3D > Shadow Warrior
IMO

SW was still good, but I felt some of its new gimmicks werent exactly utilized as much as they could've been. It also loses points for having probably the least balanced weapons/enemies of the Build games.

>>1300684
Eh, Idk. I can't really pick between Duke and SW. I much prefer SW's level design to Duke 3D's. I think it's larger and more intricately designed, also comes with some cool and imaginative platforming at times. I also like that it has vehicles and turrets. On the other hand Duke does seem to have better gunplay than SW. SW's weapons don't feel too great but thankfully the dual uzis are a lot of fun to use. SW's kill count is also much higher than Duke's which to me adds to the satisfaction quite a bit.

>>1301974
Vehicles and turrets were cool, but rarely utilized in any meaningful way. Most areas with a turret were too dangerous to run out into the open for the sake of hopping into it. Better to just play it safe and lob grenades into the thick of them.

>>1302040
Well on some levels you needed the vehicles to get certain keys so it added to the complexity of the level design in a meaningful way; particularly so when you had to find a repair box first in order to use a broken vehicle.

I remember one level where you find a boat which also had a machine gun and it was sweet 'driving' past and mowing down all the enemies on the 'land' parts of the map.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dntBGeqUoU

That's the map, although the guy playing is fucking shit and also playing on a low difficulty so it's nowhere near as intense.

>>1301974
I'm a huge fan of Duke3D (I mean it's one of my fav games ever for it and I make maps for it), but I think that, at least as far as the original games are concerned, weaponplay was a lot more interesting in SW. You had a lot more actions to choose from between the alternate fire and also the sword.

Duke3D had a a lot of potential but in the original game it was hardly used. For instance the first episode only has 6 weapons. Then, 2 new enemies (1 of which is hardly even used) and the last weapon only appeared in the 4th episode.... and sadly I'll admit that not many usermaps take use of Duke3D's potential regarding weapons as many just stick to 90% of the fights being shotgun/pistol/rpg

>>1302728
Keep in mind, the first episode was also the shareware episode. There's a reason all the weapons weren't available in it. They wanted something to be saved for the people who bought the game.

>>1302728
>and the last weapon only appeared in the 4th episode
That's because the expander was added later.

Episode 4 was added by the Plutonium Pack. Also called the Atomic Edition if you bought the whole package. Even things like the Pig Tank and the Protector Drone didn't exist prior to that expansion.

>>1302873
>>1302869
I know that, thank you. I was just taking into account the game as a whole and it doesn't change what I said.

>>1297098
Use the Turbo Pascal fix to make the program run at proper speeds for modern computers, though I don't see why it's needed if you're using DOSBox:
http://www.the-postmortem.com/files/tplfix.zip

Additionally you can just rename the files and launch the addon through regular Blood.exe, here's a batch file that does the trick:
http://www.the-postmortem.com/files/crypticfix.7z

>>1292870
I'd pick Redneck Rampage over Shadow Warrior because of the music alone.

It also had the most accurate drunkenness simulator of the time.

>>1303478
Well if not for your sake, it bears mentioning the context of WHY these things are the way they are so other people understand.

But yes, I like that Shadow Warrior has alternate firing modes and more weapons. Even if a couple of the Duke weapons I prefer to anything in SW.

>>1300659
yeah sounds good no matter how crappy rendered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lWi3FTorfs

>>1302873
I feel like the expander should have at least been retroactively added into episodes 2 and 3 because its fun to blow shit up with microwaves

>>1304118
I definitely wish I had more opportunities to use it. Maybe there should have been a random chance for certain enemies to drop its ammo? That would have been an easy method.

http://advsys.net/ken/buildsrc/default.htm
so has anyone bothered to tinker with the build source code and try to make a game or something with it?
I know there are standalone games using Duke3d's source but I was wondering about the unedited build engine found here.

>>1300659
I've always found it amazing that Duke3d is one rare 90s FPS where each and every map had a dedicated music track. Doom, Hexen, Heretic, Blood, ect all had about 10-15 tracks spread out about 30~ levels while duke had 42 tracks for everything, and almost all of them decent or awesome tracks as well.

>>1304129
Personally I felt Duke's music to be mediocre/bad overall. There's some really great ones, like the main theme, Stalker, Plasma, or Aliens, Say Your Prayers.

Duke is my second favorite fps but I really can't get into most of the music.

>>1304129
Decent is another. I love Decent's soundtrack.

>>1304140
Descent* scuse me.

>>1304136
As much as I love Duke, I have to agree. Most of the tracks are just near ambient noise and don't really strike me as excellent. Just something to keep the game from being silent. A few tracks are good though.

Duke Nukem 2 and Zero Hour's are much better.

>>1304150
Zero Hour had some fantastic music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAL018B75s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B9tM3UOU_8

>>1304158
>the "modern day" tracks
You have rockin tastes.

Speaking of Duke music, does anyone else think this sounds like a Doom song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dm-bcNM7KU

>>1304278
It sounds like some asshole playing virtual marimbas on his $40 Casio keyboard.

>>1304278
bobby prince did the music for tons of apogee and id games so its not really a surprise. It does sound very doom though haha

My personal favorite song of D3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZhr5t16ngk

>>1304319
Hearing this makes me think of Duke tip-toeing around trying to be stealthy.

>>1304319
A close second:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bzVVEZMxJA

>>1304328
That's hilarious. I wish I were an artist. I'd love to illustrate that.

>>1304335
That's one of my favorites too. These too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0EU9svP-eU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCghxcScqYU

>>1293617
You better double check that, last time I've seen that person he claimed he failed at buying back bloods IP.
http://www.destructoid.com/atari-shuts-down-jace-hall-s-blood-re-release-245108.phtml

>>1304118
>>1304120
Not a bad idea, for some reasons I never even thought of it before. I'll totally consider making a small mod for it, it shouldn't take much time to.

I talked about it to a friend and he was suggesting having the expander only use-able after you pick it up (seperatly from the shrinker). Also maybe could add a few pigtanks in episode 3 and newbeasts in episode 2 and 3...

>>1297238
what is this filter anyway ?

>>1304950
Looks like the "old scan from old magazine photo" filter to me.

Guys, I found a cool soundtrack of one duke3d mod, in Yamaha XG midi format
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IfUzubaGcg&list=SPolnf4i65EgSllD5bWKBdeEW-XWrGCYQ0

I wonder what device they used to render it, sounds a bit like MPU401 to me but I might be wrong.

>>1292791
I can't disagree with this, though I think I enjoy duke about the same as shadow warrior.

Blood really shines though. I remember it was incompatible with my sound card when the game first came out. Played that shit in silence and still loved it nearly as much as Doom.

>>1306060
I've been playing Blood obessively since this thread was made... that game is fucking insane.

I even made a playthrough recording on DOSBOX after I learned how to on Well Done difficulty of the fifth and fourth episodes. I had to keep the resolution low though because my laptop specs aren't great. Framerate is still only around 30 'cause recording but it's worth it. Thinking about uploading it to youtube but it would take farking years. Would you watch it if I uploaded it /vr/? ^_^

I've been playing the Blood edition from GOG.com, it's by far the most playable version. It's sad that they'll never release the source code though

>>1297765
http://www.moddb.com/games/new-alone-in-the-dark

>>1306929
THE Blood fansite has been uploading videos of every level on the hardest difficulty with the fork start. In order to have great video quality they record in game demos, at whatever lower resolution they play, then record that demo playing on a higher resolution.

>>1292747
Shadow Warrior looks interesting but the source ports haven't been updated in years. Is dosbox the only option?

>>1308738
Isn't it free or at the very least dirt-cheap on Steam? And I'm not talking about the new one, which is pretty damn good, by the way.

>>1308738
http://www.proasm.com/sw/swp.html

That's what I use and haven't had any problems yet.

>>1308743
>http://www.proasm.com/sw/swp.html
Is it for windows only?
>>1308741
No steam for me ;_;

>>1308747
No idea, I've only ever had windows. I'm sure there's an faq or something somewhere in that site.

>>1308738
One of the maker of eduke32 declared in a short humble post on a forum that they're working on making the same sourceport for shadow warrior. So it's coming.

But to be honest the steam version, Shadow Warrior redux, is fine. Could be better but it's fine and it comes with the add ons too.

>>1308749
>>1308753
I guess I'll wait for it then. I haven't played Duke yet anyway.

>>1308756
>I haven't played Duke yet anyway

Blasphemy.

>>1308757
I was a doom/quake guy back in the day.

>>1308747
>No steam for me ;_;
You may as well overcome your hesitance and jump on board already. There's no conceivable reason not to. Even if it's only for one or two games you really want.

>>1309332
There's no steam support for my OS. I guess I could dig out my old windows machine and use that but I'd like to avoid doing that.

>>1310474
So you don't use PC, Mac, OR Linux?

Well, good luck then.

>>1310701
FreeBSD master race.

Play all of Blood and then Cryptic Passage, the level pack. Blood is reasonably well known, but younger players may have missed it.

Can somebody please guide me on how to get the Death Wish mod to run for Blood? I really don't know how to do it. I have the Bloog GOG download but don't know what to do.

>>1308738
Currently Redux on Steam is your best option, it's not free but hey.

If you want free, I guess SWP is the way to go.

How are the Shadow Warrior add-ons? Worth it? I have Redux, thinking about checking them out.

Also how is the Duke Nukem 3D fourth episode on Atomic Edition?

>>1311487
>fourth episode
The Birth is awesome. Great bunch of levels, especially Duke Burger and Babe Land.

Now if only we could get the Plug n Pray episode from Total Meltdown. That was also a great fourth episode.

>>1311487
The Birth has a lot of really good ideas. Each level is pretty inspired. For example, the first level is a riff on a combination of Mission Impossible, Get Smart, and a variety of other spy movies.

I'm still playing through the SW expansions, but so far Twin Dragon is pretty good. Nothing amazing, but it's definitely the same or thereabouts quality of the main game.

>>1312789
I enjoyed Twin Dragon a lot more than Wanton surprisingly, considering Sunstorm's previous works.

>>1312802
Yeah same here.

I hope we get Deadly Kiss soon, at least an announcement or something would be nice.

>>1313296
What the hell is Deadly Kiss?

>long lost expansion
>play as Lo Wang's sister
>brand new old content from a good game

Holy shit, it's like a dream come true.

>>1312789
I thought they were a little too heavy on the references in episode 4, and didn't like those shrink ray aliens, they don't fit in with the rest of the enemies too well.

>>1313338

Those aliens piss me off so much. They have way to much health and if you get shrunk you might as well just give up because 90% of the time they'll stomp you just as you're about to resize. My only respite is that they're limited to the fourth episode, but most usermaps seemed inclined to shove them in your face at every turn.

>>1313338
Protector drones provided something important that D3D was lacking before then, which was a hearty non-boss enemy completely immune to shrink ray effects. Duke 3D is made entirely too easy by the shrink ray. 50 max ammo is a LOT.

>>1313354
Steroids cure shrinking. It's the only time I ever use steroids, so it isn't much of a problem.

>>1313367
And when I say "non-boss" I mean actual episode end bosses. Even those mini Battlelords can be shrunken. Which is a shame, because they provide a nice challenge if fought more legitimately.

>>1313381
Wait, you can shrink mini battlelords? I never even attempted to do that, I just figured it was a Battlelord so it couldn't be shrunk.

>>1313384
Well, I apologize if this knowledge makes the game less fun for you.

>>1313385
No harm done. Now I'm curious if you can shrink Mini Overlords in Duke 64.

>>1313384
>>1313385
>>1313391
It's only possible if you hit the center of the mini-battlelord sprite. Auto-aim in the original DOS Duke made this really hard to do, only if you faced it head on. Being able to disable auto-aim in modern Duke ports make it much easier to aim for the battlelord's center.

>>1313391
How do the ports of 3D on PSONE and the N64 compare to the original besides better music?

>>1313394
You could disable auto aim in the DOS game too. But to be honest the game was built with auto aim in mind. Anyway, shrinking mini BLords isn't that easy and few people know about it. As for Newbeasts (protector drones) I like them a lot as they play differently than the other enemies.

>>1313503
Actually the N64 version has no music. It has quite a lot of changes and improvements withing level detailing which is nice, it also has some new weapons including a FANTASTIC shadow warrior style grenade launcher.

The PSX version has a new episode but it's very average.

Somebody made a mod porting the N64 version to PC and it's excellent, be sure to check it out.
2 different teams are also working on porting the extra episode of the PSX version but I couldn't care less about that.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/dn64/downloads

>>1304140
Nope, the soundtrack starts back at the first level's on Level 23

>>1305685
MPU-401 is not a soundcard. It is an interface.

>>1314992
A technicality. Aren't there only something like 27 levels to begin with? It's pretty close, and that's a lot of tracks anyways.

Well after ~20min of unsuccessful shrinkage, I'm just going to assume you can shrink a Mini Overlord.

>>1317629
>can't

fuck

>>1317629
I always liked the 3D explosions in Duke 64. They're pretty neato.