/vr/ - Retro Games

Would that we could just sock 'em in the eye, the lot of them.

We play some games with them in our threads. These games require you to have a pretty nice collection though, and the nicer it is the better and longer you can play them.

The basic rules are you pretend to be the kind of ignorant person they victimize, sending them pics of some sweet cherries then see how many hoops you can get them to jump through before they break.

Break 'em real good and they may stop tryingto make a living by reselling our hobby.

>>1299020
>So, we can all agree that resellers are a detriment to our hobby
No, not everyone hates the free market. Fuck off and take your first world problems somewhere else.

Pretty sure this wont stop anytime soon, either we buy it now or let the price go higher all we can do is to try to get the cheaper copy of X game before it becomes rare

More importantly when there are no more CRTs and the old consoles and cartridges give up to rust or plain aging these items will only have collector value i'd rather create a museum or donate to one were i know they should be kept sealed and conserved and my memories frozen in time.

I have accepted that the time i spent with those games during my childhood is over and playing them ever since i grew up is just me clinging to nostalgia.
Back then i didn't even cared if the game had crisp graphics or perfect RGB levels and i enjoyed them. If i want to experience that i can just use some decent emulator and play any game after all

If you care about playing the games, just buy a flash cart or emulate. If you don't care about playing the games, I'm going to laugh at you.

I've never seen so many apparent grown men get so whiny over video games.

>>1299036

That could make a dent, provided you have a collection worth teasing.

And what of those who don't? My favourite game lately is to offer insanely low prices on insanely overpriced games on eBay. Included are always messages like, "$17. Highest I'll go for a game as common as Earthbound." If they give you any lip in their message back, you can back them into a logical corner.

I wonder if there's a way we could set up fake Paypal accounts, buy all the games being sold at exorbitant sums, and then just never pay for them. They're left with unsold inventory, which costs them money.

>>1299039

Apologist detected.

>>1299041

Forgot your image: guaranteedreplies.jpg

>>1299045
There's no guaranteed replies about it, you moron.

If the money is too rich for your blood, go about alternate ways to obtain your video games. If you actually give a shit about playing the video games, you have the proper avenues to go about it. Emulation is better in near-2014 than it ever has been and if you want enough games to complain about the prices of them, you can put out the cash for a flash cart.

But all this whining is silly. If it was 1989 and we didn't have the shit we had today, I'd see your point, but right now, there isn't one.

Take it from someone who's pirated games from the NES to the PS2. If it's good and fun, not having the hard copy is not going to kill you. It's material that you've convinced yourself is worth something when in reality the only thing that matters is the lines of code.

>>1299047

You make some good points. Points worthy of discussion. But you severely discredit yourself by name-calling. It's for that reason that our conversation ends here.

>>1299047
I am pretty sure that since you have been a pirate for so long you do not understand what having the physical consoles and carts is like or when your collection starts to grow up.

Collecting stuff is a hobbie by itself and you shouldn't post about it if you have never tried

>>1299049
>But you severely discredit yourself by name-calling.

Either good points were made or they weren't. Namecalling has nothing to do with the quality of said argument. My argument does not become any better by removing the insults in the post. The only thing that gets better is my post not making anyone butthurt.

Whatever the case, I'll go ahead and apologize.

>>1299052
>because he's pirated that means he's never owned the hardware or software to go with it

I won't apologize for this however: You are fucking retarded.

>>1299042
I like your style son.

>>1299068

It warrants research, that last idea. I know this with absolute certainty: Hitting them in their wallets would be a surefire way of stopping them.

>>1299062
Even then you only got the original hardware and what 5 games, the ones you couldn't pirate, the ones needed to pirate or the ones that you just happened to come by near free?

I am talking about being an actual collector and then why are you the one to call us money issues since pirating screams nothing more than that

>>1299072
>I am talking about being an actual collector and then why are you the one to call us money issues

Gee, captain, I don't know, maybe because that's all you ever bitch about.

>>1299072

Leave it alone. You're arguing with a stranger on the Internet. You ought to be focusing your energy on the real enemy. And make no mistake, these resellers are an enemy.

>>1299078
Oh so you came here to give your invaluable opinion because you happen to know oh so much about this

>>1299042
>I wonder if there's a way we could set up fake Paypal accounts, buy all the games being sold at exorbitant sums, and then just never pay for them. They're left with unsold inventory, which costs them money.
and then you get to take a ride in the party van for fraud

>>1299079
mmm cooling off 45 %

>>1299083
So what am I wrong about here exactly?

>>1299081

But how exactly would it be fraud? The eBay user agreement makes it clear that they hold no liability for the inability to conduct business on their website.

>>1299090

And logic would follow that, pursuant to claims made on the part of the seller that they were losing money due to non-payment on the part of the buyer, the most eBay would be able to do is suspend your account.

>>1299090
>How would agreeing to pay for an item then running away with it be fraudulent?
I don't know man.

>>1299094

Fraudulent, but not subject to legal litigation.

>>1299090
yes, eBay holds no liability
that doesn't apply to your dumb ass

but hey, knock yourself out. at least you probably won't get raped in minimum security.

>>1299094

It's only fraud in the colloquial sense, not in a legal sense.

>>1299098

Have you read eBay's unpaid item policy? The most they will do for unpaid merchandise is suspend your buying privileges.

Sadly there's nothing we can do about it OP. Jews gonna jew, that's the world we live in, shekels rule.

Focus on collecting more recent games, maybe PS2 or Gamecube, we're already on 8th gen so many kids who grew up with these consles are now turning adults, getting jobs, and ready to drop mad dosh on them nostalgia games, so buy them while you can, before the resellers start jewing out the nostalgia dudes.

I want to remain positive and think SNES games will drop their price once people who are into retro games for nostalgia finally move on.
Earthbound being sold for $60 once again, I want to believe.

But who doesn't escort nowadays on ebay?, anyone who doesn't do it is calling to be robbed

>>1299107

I've never, ever accepted the notion that there's anything that can't be done.

>>1299107
hi there /pol/

>>1299110

Well, you could start by reselling retro games at a decent price... other than that, you can't do much else. People are going to take adventage to get profit, as long as there are retards willing to pay these prices.

>>1299110

And how could you, especially today, think that anything is impossible? I'd like to think Operation Final Offer can make a significant impact on the market.

>>1299105
wow, you're just not getting it.
eBay's policy is to protect THEMSELVES, not stupid fucks who don't know shit about the law and have pretensions about being online vigilantes.

>>1299119

That wouldn't do anything, since these games would be bought out in an instant and resold at unreasonable prices, and the cycle would continue.

>>1299123

If you want to continue being victim to price-scalpers and con artists, than by all means, stay the course.

>be on vacation for christmas
>northern california
>in new city
>YELP game stores
>one comes up
>go there
>250 for Earthbound with guide and scratch n sniff card things
>170 for mega man 7
>150 for mega man x3
>35 for mega man x2... hm...
>make small talk with owner
>says he also collects
>caught off guard
>the fuck kinda collector sells things for this much?
>talk with him for quite a long time
>get along, cool guy.
>mention I don't have a nomad
>oh, I think i have one in the back!
>think "oh shit, don't go looking for it, I don't have the money for something like that"
>he brings it out
>it's been sitting back there for some time.
>I'll throw in the game genie too (it was in the system)
>uh.. how much?
>since I can't test it, how about 15?
>oh shit, deal.
>tell him I'm going to be working on this as a project since there's nothing to fucking do at my family's house.
>throws in sonic 2 as a test game for free
>I want to buy Wanders of Ys III for SNES as well
>he bundles it for 20

that guy was cool

>>1299131
next day

>keep thinking about mega man x2
>fuck, i want that
>go back in to store
>start chatting up again
>tell him I want to look around 1 last time before i go home
>he shows me an atari 400 prototype game
>says it's 1 of a kind
>The Last Starfighter. only one exists
>price tag, $9,999
>wut
>i don't know shit about atari. cool, though i guess.
>we talk for a while longer
>mention I'm interested in X2
>oh man, hm. how about $25 on it?
>OH SHIT cool

this guy was a legit bro. I'll be stopping in here now every time i come visit my family

>>1299131

He might be the exception to the rule. And that rule is that all of the arbitrageurs who buy these games in the name of profit don't care a lick about those who buy to play.

Guys, who cares, ommmmggg

Buy games to play them, not to "collect" them, and you won't have this problem. Collectors are the main reason the prices are so heavily inflated to begin with.

>>1299128
I'm not a victim of them because I don't give them my money

>>1299135

But would you if the prices were fair?

>>1299127

Exactly. There's really nothing we can do as long as there exist reseller scum and ignorant retards who got into the retrogaming fad with extra money to spend.

>>1299139

And it's that mode of thought that allows the problem to persist.

>>1299142

But we can't change the way other people think.

I myself just stopped collecting long ago... 2008-ish, I started collecting old games back in 2002, it was a great time , nobody gave a shit about 16 bit games, got a bunch of them for real cheap.
Nowdays I mostly emulate or occassionally buy when I see something for a good price (lately, never).
I never sell anything, but I gave some of my games as gifts to some friends or relatives.

>>1299137
probably not

>>1299145

Did you stop collecting because the costs became too high, or for other reasons?

>>1299146

Why not?

>>1299148

To be honest, I only bought games and consoles I liked/wanted, not stuff just to add to my collection. I bought a few games I didn't like but because they came in bundles.
So, I was never a "serious" collector, I guess, as I never really planned to complete a whole set of games for a console or something like that, just buy games I liked.

In that regard, yeah... it's not really that I stopped, because as I said I still occassionally buy old games if I see them for good price (which is unlikely as of late), but yeah, the stupidly high prices prevent me from buying old games, I can't really justify paying the prices people are asking now when I remember these same games were 10 times cheaper some years ago. Games like Earthbound aren't even rare, just expensive because of demand.

>>1299150
because I just like playing old games, I don't care about the hardware

>>1299036
Do I hear a second /vr/ Reseller Olympics?

>>1299071
One of the greatest lessons I learned in life: if you want anyone's attention, just touch their money

>>1299119
Didn't a /vr/trooper in the last reselling thread mention the possibility of having a /vr/ flea-market similar to the BST threads where retro vidya could be bought and sold for non-reseller prices? Where reseller scum could easily be identified?

>>1299020
>So, we can all agree that resellers are a detriment to our hobby.
No. Resellers are the only reasonable people selling things for what they're worth. In other words, what people will buy them for. Anyone not doing this is just being a ridiculous fool or lazy. What a few people think things should be worth doesn't mean jack shit because all that matters is what things buy for and what things sell for. This whole reseller hate shit is just
>why won't the world change to my liking to be as convenient as possible for me because I think it should
Because it doesn't actually matter what you think about the situation, it just matters what is. Wishing resellers away is like wishing gravity didn't exist so you can float. It just doesn't work like that.

And yeah, you're right, "just don't buy it" won't help if someone else will buy it anyway. And whenever someone tries to irritate/scam/whatever resellers, even if they manage to drive one off, more will see the opportunity and you'll possibly incite more people to join than you drove away if they see a profitable opportunity.

Think about what would happen if Walmart closed tomorrow, do you think that either
>people would be fearful and close all their retail businesses
or
>people would get excited and dozens, if not hundreds more stores would pop up trying to take its place

Not only is it a waste of your own time, which it IS your time to spend and not mine to tell you how to spend, but you might be fighting against your own cause.

>he doesn't emulate and connect it to a CRT TV

This is clearly the future. And games are just going to get more expensive and rarer.

Wait for this bubble to burst if it ever does. Not sure if there's anything that can be done about it. Resellers are gonna keep reselling for absurd prices and people are gonna keep buying. May as well emulate for the time being.

>>1299020
hahahahaha,
this is why im successful and you will never be

http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/marios_workshop_australia/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

take advantage of it now

>>1299049
>you
this guy is such a troll. look at the image he used to begin the thread. I hope all these shitheads leave us after the new year.

>>1299020
>The apologist's mantra, "Just don't buy it," won't help
What, do you want reselling outlawed or something?
>someone wants to sell you something
>deny them the sale because you don't want to support that behavior
>APOLOGISMMMM
dude what

>You now remember "The Real Video Game Hunter"

>>1299470
Whatever happened to that guy?

All I ever see when you guys mention "reseller scum" is:
>a bloo bloo bloo
>Why can't my hobby be as cheap as I want it to be?
>I want to have all the things I want and I only want to spend a few dollars on all of it
>a bloo bloo bloo

Fucking get over it. I have a friend who likes to assemble models, his favorites being gundam models. he will regularly spend hundreds of dollars on models that he can only build once. I'm sure he'd love to get models for cheaper than he does, but he never bitches and moans about having to buy out of print models from people who have had them for years, but never assembled them.

>>1299052
"Collecting stuff" is pretty good for people who needs emotional support.

I have OCD and still don't see any good about "collecting stuff"

>>1299493
Good for him. I prefer new games because used games can be damaged. But if I can't find a new game for a good price, I will get a cheaper used one. No, I will not pay $60 for a 5 years old game. This is release price.

>>1299052
I have OCD and still don't see any point about "collecting stuff"

I suspect that some collectors are kinda 'needy'' people. At least I know one who is

>>1299493
Good for him. I prefer new games because used games can be damaged. But if I can't find a new game for a good price, I will get a cheaper used copy. No, I will not pay $60 for a year old game. This is the release price.

>>1299493

Because model-assembling can only be done once. A video game can be enjoyed multiple times, and you're crazy if you don't think retro games are in full-swing tulip mania.

>>1299551
Good job completely missing the point.

The reseller and price arguments were not very prevalent at the start of the board. Mostly, it was just about the actual games. Now people mention price in game threads.

It's good that it's being contained here though, thanks. It's just too hot a topic to not derail other threads.

>>1299493
>>a bloo bloo bloo
Genuinely curious; what is this supposed to be?

>>1299585
Pretty sure it's onomatopoeia of someone crying but done in a mocking way.

This off-topic post has been brought to you by sage in the email field.

>>1299175

Maybe not everyone is a schlomo that lusts after the shekels and just want to have normal prices like we used to.

Yes, the nintendo world championship NES cart probably is worth that many thousand dollars because it's actually rare.
No, Earthbound isn't worth more than 60 bucks, maybe 120 complete with box and manual.

>>1299673
>tfw when Earthbound was $80 I didn't want to buy it because it was too expensive and I wanted to wait until the price dropped
>suddenly $350

>>1299684


>buy Mother 2 complete with box manual and inserts like-new condition for $20
>get the uncensored version of the game
>play Earthbound on emulator or everdrive or whatever

I even have the game twice because I have the Mother 1+2 GBA cart.
I don't even care for Earthbound to be honest. It's good that it exists because it provides a good english translation, but other than that I'm fine with the original.

>>1299692
>mother 2, chrono trigger, FF4/5/6, all cib for under $100
based super famicom

>>1299585
From Chris Onstad's Achewood webcomic. It was the sound a character makes when they're blubbering because they've been stuck in a pair of shoes trying to step on each other for hours.

http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=03162004

I chose not to play ball. Did you know that a gold cart copy of NWC is "valued" at roughly $20,000? You can buy a new car for less. And NWC sucks fucking balls, it's the first 4 minutes of 3 games.

It's garbage, but yet valued so highly. Collectors sell the BOX for Earthbound for hundreds, not even the game, but a cardboard box. So I say fuck that, if I want to "collect" oldschool games, I can buy a new PC for it, and build a custom made arcade cabinet for a couple hundred.

But I'll never "play ball" and have some cheddar finger motherfucker try and take my money and hold the memories I had as a kid hostage.

>>1299094

He's not running away with anything.
It's my understanding he's just saying some people should:
1) Create ebay accounts (I think part of that is having to sign up to paypal)
2) Locate reseller auctions
3) Win all the auctions, whether by bidding or Buy It Now.
4) Don't pay, the seller will have to relist
5) Do it again.

But all that will do is force every reseller to set a fixed Buy It Now price and enable the option whereby the auction will continue to run until the buyer actually pays for it.

>>1299692
You make it sound like the uncensored version is really worth making a big deal about, unless you can read japanese all you're gonna get is naked ness and some slightly different enemies (cultists, crows, etc)

>>1299831
lol you sound like a huge fag

>>1299940

I didn't say it was a 'big deal', but it's also a little extra detail worth mentioning.

>>1299831
I would never buy NWC, but you have to understand that at some point the descendants of whoever owns these games will have great reknown for donating them to some future video game museum. I just recently went to the Smithsonian museum of natural history. I have heard hype about the Hope Diamond for pretty much the past 25 years of my life. I saw the hope diamond in the museum with everybody ooing and ahhhing over a shiny piece of rock. I didn't get it. We don't get it with NWC. You look up the history of the Hope diamond though, and you see all the people who once owned this piece of history. It's something like that.

I know comparing NWC to the Hope Diamond is a bit of a stretch, but I'd rather have NWC than the Hope Diamond because it's more relevant to my interests.

>>1299020

I can't agree that resellers are a detriment. They're just a fact of life. As long as the demand is there, there will be resellers.

The time has long past when you can easily find 30 year old video games for a few pennies in the wild. If trawling the pawn shops and junk stores is your thing, you should be buying PS2 and Xbox games.

I can't agree that resellers are a detriment. They're just a fact of life. As long as the demand is there, there will be resellers.

The time has long passed when you can easily find 30 year old video games for a few pennies in the wild. If trawling the pawn shops and junk stores is your thing, you should be buying PS2 and Xbox games.

In my neck of the woods, Augusta, Georgia, you can't even snag a deal at the local Flea Market. Its the same people at the same booths selling retro video games, magic cards, and vintage action figures every fucking weekend.

On the rare occasions where someone sets up a booth with some vintage stuff these guys snag up everything but the sports games before it opens.

Same thing with Vinyl records.

>>1299831
>NWC
eh?

>resellers are a detriment to our hobby

>>1300179
all middlemen are detriments they literally aren't needed you fucking retard apologist

>>1300134
Oh sorry, late response. NWC is Nintendo World Championships which was an event back in like the late 80s or early 90s. Basically it's a cartridge with a special chip on it to synchronize the start of the game to a special machine they created.

It contains the first levels of Super Mario Bros, Rad Racer, and Tetris in that order. The objective is to get the most points as quickly as you can to be the winner.

>>1300181
Yeah, but about 50% of the human race is middle-men and they don't take kindly to being eliminated.

>>1299020
>So, what CAN we do about it?

Same thing we did to Big Game Hunter.

If you really wanted to harm the resellers you could just buy their shit and say it never arrived so you get to keep your money and they lose their games.

>>1299020
Resellers are not a problem. The problem is that people value games more than the outrageous prices.
If you value the game more than the price you'll buy it. Otherwise someone who values it more (or their money less) will.

/vr/ likes to think this is a plague effecting just our hobby, but this is how everything works.
Everything.
Deal with it.

>>1300773
evil is exclusively revenge

>>1300773
/vr/, where we hate the free market and endorse fraud

>>1299020
Fuck off, commie.

>>1300181
if you cut out the middle man how would the post office work

lrn to use words please

>>1299493
There's no check on price gouging in older games. Even if Die Hard Arcade isn't rare or worth $59 complete in the box for Sega Saturn, it just takes one retard with an open wallet to keep the bubble growing.

Ok, here's a solution. The resellers buy things low and sell high right? What has to happen is that you have to prevent them from buying low. If you guys just want low prices, you're never going to get that. But what you can do is educate the kind of people that would sell something at drastically under what the reseller's are going to sell it at so that they won't accept a lower price. Let's say a reseller buys a game at 5 dollars, and resells at 25 or 30. What we have to do is get the people who sell to resellers to not accept a price under 20. If you raise the barrier to entry for reselling, you can only cut the price a little for the consumer, but you can at least prevent resellers artificially inflating the price. You have to be as dirty as the resellers, you have to price things too high for them to gobble them up quickly. If you just want games at a low price, you're no better than them. If you want the market to function more fairly, you have to educate all participants in the market. You can't just beat the resellers, you have to educate the consumer.

>>1300783
There are always going to be people that have enough disposable income to not look at the price tag. There are always going to be people that hoard resources with the intent of inflating prices so that they can increase profits.

These threads are retarded. It is impossible for everyone to unanimously agree on one subject, and even if everyone did, you would never know, because people would still claim the opposite for the sake of disagreeing.

Do you idiots not know how supply and demand works?

>>1300858
do you faggots know putting WOW RARE L@@K in your ads doesn't actually decrease supply

>>1299052
Your post is garbage and you collect garbage.
I'm sure all your family thinks that way. You pile shit up in your room that's just collecting dust and wasting space.
Collecting stuff is bullshit, son. Why do you do it? Do you spend all day going through your collection, either playing or looking at it? Do you bore your friends by making them look and talk about your collection for hours like a middle-aged couple with their holiday's slides?
You did not make what you collect. You've had absolutely no impact on the process other than giving more money than what it's worth. There are already museums of videogames, you don't need your own.
I'm done.

>>1300858
I read posts like this and get mad that he clearly hasn't read the thread.

Also, does anyone remember the early-to-mid 90s comic book collecting mania? That shit reminds me so much of what's going on right now, I can't wait to see the whole thing crash down like it did with comics back then.

>>1301175
>Also, does anyone remember the early-to-mid 90s comic book collecting mania?

Clearly you don't if you think it's comparable to this situation. Comic book companies were printing "1ST ISSUE" like it was going to be rare and expensive in the future. The mere fact that retro gaming deals with a bunch of out of print shit should have clued you in to that.

>>1301183
>so much snark

Touched a nerve?

Most remakes are bought by little kids thinking their new games.

>Ocarina of Time 3D
>FireRed and LeafGreen
>Wind Waker HD

Therefore we must kill all children.

>>1299094
>>1299101
Indeed. Legally it's only breach of contract since you didn't profit in any way. Not worth it to pursue.

>>1301192
There's not really any snark in that post.

Great rebuttal, by the way.

>>1301157
You must have never been to a video game museum. They are actually pretty weak.

>>1301197
Remakes are typically superior versions of older games, so it doesn't matter.

>>1301197
Every single remake you listed is better than the original.

>>1301203
>saying there isn't snark when the first words he types are "Clearly you don't"
>following up with "Great rebuttal, by the way"

You so snark.

I was trying to draw a comparison between two different tulip manias and you're continuing to shit up the thread with your condescending asshole attitude.

Also you seemed to have inferred that comic books were somehow also not dealing with out-of-print issues during the 90s boom-and-bust. A lot of classic comic books were caught up in that bubble, none of which applies to your "1st issue" argument.

I mean, extrapolating what you said, that would be like saying we should all be stocking up on PS4 games since they're the new hot shit.

>>1301212
Wow, I've never seen someone get so butthurt about flippant remarks here.

Also, a big reason they had the problems they did was, in fact, because of companies printing habits. Nothing like that is going on right now, which is why your comparison is stupid.

>>1301205
Fair enough, I've been to one and it wasn't that big.
Still, unless you're a millionaire, a one man's collection can hardly match that.

>>1301215
A man's library is a reflection of his soul

>>1301212
You just seem like you're really trying hard here to insist on flawed logic. Just because you keep referring to the first major recorded economic bubble (which is of course going to be statistically significant) and a recent bubble that is only parallel in the "nerd chic" respect, it doesn't mean you know something the rest of us don't.

Comic books are very, very different than video games. Average comics cost $3. Average video games cost $50. Comics are done in a month by like three or four guys. Video games take a year or more with a huge team of guys. There is no "first issue!" of a video game.

Very, very few people are buying brand new games as an investment - to be kept in new condition. I think that the VGA graded stuff is the worst bubble that people will see burst on them and in the future new condition games will be worth at most 50% over what a mint condition game is.

Buying games at their lowest price point that you anticipate to appreciate sharply is another matter entirely, especially when they're within your genres and you can enjoy them from time to time both in your console and on your shelf, saying something about you as a person.

>>1300858
Do you idiots seriously expect me to believe that every Sega Saturn game is rare?

>>1301208
>typically
>THPS1 vs the abomination that is THPSHD
You're not wrong, anon

America

I personally think comparing the current retro vidya bubble with the comic book bubble isn't that far off. Of course video games and comics are different things but the gross overestimation of the appreciation of their value for both media share many similarities.
>people don't buy video games as investments like they did with comics
Comics that followed the trend of trying to make the first issue out to be a collector's item very rarely were the things people paid any real money for after the fact. (The first issue of the 1990 X-Men reboot for example featured 7 different covers that you were meant to collect but today are worth about a buck each as backissues because they were mass produced.) The main focus of the comic book bubble was on older issues that were long since discontinued, just like the current retro vidya bubble. Outside Xenoblade Chronicles, no one is busting their balls trying to collect modern games. It's all about the older games. Like how people will fork over $500 for a copy of Earthbound sometimes, 20 years ago someone might have forked over $1000 or more for a comic book from the 1960s. It's just a comic book, yet people still were willing to spend absurd amounts of money for nostalgia and/or 'in' trends.

See also: baseball cards

Polite sage for off-topic

>>1301235
Thanks for changing your tone, first off. Appreciate it.

I never said I knew something the rest of you didn't though. If that's how it came off, that wasn't intended. I DO think a lot of people just fall back on the ridiculous oversimplification of supply and demand.

What I AM saying is that I'm seeing parallels between watching my old comic book collection go from being worth ~$200 in 1989 to ~$1500 in 1992 and then down to ~$100 in 1996, and what's going on with my SNES collection right now.

Comic collecting isn't actually so different from SNES hoarding. This point is subjective and I can see we're not going to agree on the matter so I won't speak further of it.

And lastly, I can see, in this very thread, people advising others to "get in the ground floor" and start sweeping up PS2 games for reselling purposes. What I can't wait for is for them to find out that given how long economic bubbles tend to last, is that it's likely they'll get burned or at least have a hell of a hard time turning any appreciable profit on PS2/6th gen games.

>>1299020
>So, we can all agree that resellers are a detriment to our hobby.

No, we can't. Fuck off.

>>1300181

Confirmed for never having taken an economics class in his life.

>>1299168
>you must take a test in order to enter

Maybe try beating them at their own game?
Buy up everything before they can even get their hands on it.

>So, what CAN we do about it?

Nothing. Welcome to capitalism. Best you can do is hope the desire to collect older games dies down but until then there are going to be people cashing in on the demand for NES, SNES, and Genesis games.

emulators
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>>1301405
I'm not the person you were talking to before, that was my first reply to you. There's no guarantee that PS2 will be the SNES of its generation as far as value goes but it's already looking like Xbox will be the Genesis. Prices are troughing right now, similar to SNES values about ten or eleven years ago but they are def lower now than SNES ever was, for complete copies. So it wnill also probably rise to the same meteoric levels of SNES but it will still go back up proportionately.

I guarantee you that in 15 years there will be dozens of PS2 titles that sell for over original retail and probably at least a half dozen over $200

>>1300832
Guy gives solution and gets 0 responses

>>1302429
Because it's an absolutely ridiculous proposal.
>you're not going to get many people who are selling undervalued goods in the first place to sell them higher, people who don't know any better still won't know any better if they don't even check Ebay
>you can't control people on that level even if they DO pay attention in general unless you run an enormous political campaign that's broadcast on national television, and even then you'll still miss a lot of people
>even if magically successful, reducing arbitrage hardly means jack shit when kids and other young people who value $5 the way an older person values $500 will still buy and sell even for the tiniest amounts
>all it'll do is push the average price higher
>the solution doesn't actually DO anything for the consumer even in an ideal world where it's somehow successful, it just means you're buying from one person rather than the other at roughly the exact same price

The "solution" tries to make the lives of other people difficult without actually accomplishing anything at all. It just isn't very well thought out.

>>1302449
By the way, this would eliminate fair price entirely if successful. But that's the thing, it could never be successful just because it's trying to prevent something that can't be detected early. It's like leaving a dog in a room with a plate of food and only coming back later to get upset that it ate it, thinking that's going to stop another dog in the same room from doing the same thing. If it's really such a hot and undervalued item, it'll disappear within (literally) seconds.

This is also why you're never going to stop arbitrage in other sectors of life too. Did you know Walmart makes a profit of over $10 billion per year, despite having to pay millions of workers and buy all that shit? Someone, somewhere will always be willing to unload the goods for pennies even if you go and resell them later for $4.99 apiece, and they often aren't ignorant of the situation either.

>>1302458
>dogs
Shit. I meant another dog in another room.

But yeah, what are you gonna do, go door to door to everyone who seems like they don't know about video games and leave flyers?

I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. High prices ensure that old items stay in quality condition. It is very unlikely that someone will treat a $200 game poorly as this would destroy its value. It is much more likely that someone will treat a $10 or $20 game poorly and just discard it to buy another when the game no longer works.

Since these items are finite, it is both natural and a positive thing for their value to be high. People who want low prices are either mistaken or just plain selfish.

>>1299020
>Wahh I can't get game x for dirt cheap because too many people know how rare or valuable it is!

If you were actually a good collector, you'd know that the biggest goldmine for finding good deals are resellers. They don't know shit about games - all they do is buy something that looks "rare," double the price or check ebay for prices, and try to sell it.

>>1302464
yeah ok lets all buy video games at $100 a pop because we dont know any better

>>1301473
they get up at 5, 6am and hit up all yard sales or have other people who do the same thing

I've been thinking about the reseller hate on /vr/ for several days, and I've come to a conclusion.
I honestly don't think that collectors are the ones paying the exorbitant eBay prices, and if you are, then you obviously have the money to spend and the reseller "issue" doesn't really effect you. I feel like any collector worth his salt is going to be down in the trenches, at flea markets, thrift stores, yard sales, etc etc etc, searching for what they want, not expecting it to fall into his lap or just going and buying it online. Quite honestly, if a reseller is willing to do the legwork that you aren't, then more power to them. The tools they use to find deals are available to each and every one of you, and if you aren't using them to the full then you have nobody to blame but yourself.

>>1304376
As a collector and very casual reseller, this. I'm always at flea markets, yard sales and thrift stores. I rarely buy games on ebay unless it's something I really want, or my chances of finding it in the wild are slim.

Reseller here.

Come at me, brah.

>>1304463
I'll come at her, not you.

>>1304463
Roll over and show your tits.
>it was just an act

You're wasting your time reselling shit like this when "real" products have a bigger profit margin. The kinds of things you would find in a regular store like Best Buy or Walmart. Seriously, get on that instead.

>>1304532
what if that is him

>>1304548
She would instantly be way more attractive if she had a dick.

>collect games
>buy some games for higher price
>later on find the same games in better condition and lower price
>sell the old copy for whatever ebay price
>baw haw you reseller SCUM!

I bet you all resell at some point so stfu

>>1304376
Any collector worth a pitcher of warm spit is doing that. Everyone else is just a crybaby.

The people who are //actually// scum are the people who put out ads on craigslist like 'i buy all nintendo games!!! mario zelda sell me all your old games!"
I resell shit I find at thrift stores/pawn shops, cause I love hunting and collect certain systems. Finding cool stuff is really fun and exciting. It's fun to go around the area and see what old shit I can find. I made $500 cause some pawn shop was selling rare saturn games for $5 a pop... I don't give a fuck about sega but if you think I was gonna leave those games there just on the off chance somebody who actually wants them to play them finds them... fuck that. That's not how shit works. I'm sure I've missed out on great Nintendo games for the same reason, but whatever. I'm not gonna bitch and complain about it. You wanna get games at great prices? Do some fucking work instead of sitting on your ass waiting for the price to fall on eBay.

eBay and amazon artificially inflate values, though. Because sellers have to account for fees and all that shit. If I'm selling something that I want $80 for (let's assume buyer pays exact shipping cost) I have to actually price it around $92, because eBay takes 10% ($-9.2), and then paypal takes 3%. (-$2.4)

>>1304879
>The people who are //actually// scum are the people who put out ads on craigslist like 'i buy all nintendo games!!! mario zelda sell me all your old games!"
So basically people who figured out how to do what you did more efficiently?

There is no scum here.

>>1304882
I'm just more annoyed that they occupy like half of the craigslist posts with their dumb ads. not that craigslist has been good since the xbone and ps4 came out anyway, tho...

>>1299020
As long as prices are reasonable, I coudln't care less.

If a price is unjustifyable in any way as we are talking about digital interpretable media here there will be no reason to buy any game that is overpriced. There needs to be a reasonable enigmatic backstory involved towards any game if you wan't to sell/buy it for more than a thousand bucks.

If things are overpriced, then it's natural that the market corresponding towards those subjects will decline.

>>1299040
This is the justification that makes emulation a reasonable topic and not just some hot-rambling about "MUH LEGALITY" just because old things trend to break down more often as even old 4th gen games are at least 25 years or older nowadays.

What is a game worth if there is no way to play it anymore? It's a far worse fate then forgetting about said game, because if a game is just forgotten then there is also the possibility that people might remember them again and that happens more than enough from time to time.

I don't want to pay 500 doshes for a game that doesn't work anymore.

>>1299036
Resellers and "collectors" are as dumb as a pile of dirt. You don't even need a picture. Just type out a list of random NES titles with "Stadium Events" somewhere in the middle and they'll be in their car shitting their pants before you've even answered the phone. Have them meet you somewhere and when they ask about Stadium Events, tell them somebody just came and bought it. They'll still pick through whatever you have left because 99% of them are small time.

>>1299047
>If the money is too rich for your blood, go about alternate ways to obtain your video games.
Bullshit argument. A billionaire doesn't pay $1M for their 2014 Porsche just because they can. They pay $1K because that's what it's worth.

The "market price" for retro games comes from the average ebay auction. What you don't consider is that every game on ebay was just bought from somebody's mom for $2, yet that figure is just conveniently dismissed because there's no data online of what these things go for from private sellers. So the realistic value is about half the ebay, because for every high bid, somebody just got lowballed.

Furthermore, there's not a single collector who pays the so-called market value. Every single one of them goes for the lowball, so the whole "it's worth whatever collectors are willing to pay for it" argument goes right out the window.

Refusing to pay the buy it now doesn't make you poor, it makes you smart.

I don't understand all the reseller hate. I started out being a collector (still am), but then I saw the potential to make money. I buy wholesale lots when I can, I post adds on CL, and pretty much do everything every body in this thread is decrying. I pull all the games I want for my own personal collection, sell the rest, and make some cash on the side.

I fail to see where the problem lies. Is this just poorfags crying because they can't afford a copy of Earthbound? Because if that's the case, you can all get fucked. Guess what? I can't afford to buy a Lamborghini. Should Lamborghini start selling their cars for less just so more people can own them? Fuck no. Learn to capitalism.

ITT: a bunch of fucking communists.

>>1304929
I'm a collector and I pay "market price" aka ebay lows. I just don't buy SNES because it's too popular right now.

>>1305134

And all you have to do is wait until actual auctions come up to avoid the BIN prices. I don't understand all the butthurt in this thread.

Also, if an item doesn't sell at the BIN price for a while sellers are usually willing to come down on their price if you contact them directly.

>>1305143
SNES games go for over-inflated rates whether they be at auction or buy it now. People ITT are complaining because they want shit they can't afford but they don't realize that all that want is what's driving the prices up.

Lunar 1 & 2 are dramatically superior to Earthbound and can be had for a fraction of the price, especially the Playstation versions.

>>1305115
because you shouldn't have to pay $150 just to play an old game on an old console you sack of shit

>>1305158
What makes you say that?

>>1305158

You not being able to afford something is not a valid argument.

>>1305158

Do you think coin collectors or antique collectors or vintage toy collectors bitch and moan about the cost of rare items?

Eat a bag of dicks, you cunt. You are the absolute worst kind of shit poster. You're making the rest of us collectors look bad.

>>1305158
this guy is the only guy who's making any damn sense in this thread

>>1305210

Jesus fucking Christ. Do they not fucking educate you children at school anymore? It's basic fucking economics. A commodity that is scarce and/or in high demand will cause it's market value to rise. What do you clowns not understand about that? Fuck.

Ok, so what exactly is a reseller, and how is it detrimental to our hobby.

I've been out of the retroscene for about a decade, and want to get back into it mainly because I miss old video games.

>>1305247
One crucial thing people fail to understand is there's a BIG difference between ordinary game sellers and reseller scum

Game sellers are technically anyone who sells vidya they previously owned (doubles, unwanted games, etc.) and are open to haggling. Usually game sellers love and respect the gaming culture. There's nothing wrong with game sellers.

Reseller scum, on the other hand, are people who buy up games (often for next to nothing) only to immediately flip them for exorbitant prices. Think you can haggle with reseller scum, think again. They often show little to no respect for the gaming culture, business ethics, or customers, usually caring only about money. Reseller scum is what's being decried ITT.

>>1305592

Confirmed for either a troll or a 12 year-old. Probably both.

I hate to break it to you but if there's a demand, it will never stop. It's the same with any market of collectables. It doesn't get me that upset because even at the top end it never really gets expensive. IMO if you can't afford to drop £200 for something you really want (not that it would ever be a game for me, I emulate) then you aren't really in a financial situation where you should be copping meaningless collectables.

>>1305592

You still haven't explain why you don't think it's ok for people to make money. Seriously, can you give a well thought out answer to that? Please explain why exactly it's not ok for people to resell video games, but totally ok for companies and individuals to resell every other product in the world.

>>1305613

Precisely. OP is just a poorfag. Find some gainful employment and it won't be an issue.

>>1305610
Resellers are always to the detriment of all parties involved, including themselves. They always go for shirt-term gain, inflate prices, create bubbles, then those bubles burst, they go under taking some innocent people with them, and nothing has profited in any way in the end. Not just with video games. All resellers that overcharge much more than the service they provide costs are to the detriment of he cusomer, themselves and the market.

>>1305624
If it didn't work for them, they wouldn't do it.

>>1305610
Like I said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with selling retro vidya, making a decent profit, possibly even gaining customer loyalty.
Hell, we even have a BST thread for that purpose.

However, when in the process of finding a mutual price (again, price that both parties, buyer and seller can agree on), you refuse to budge, that's when you lose credibility as a good seller. At that point, it's relatively obvious you don't care about said customer, their business, and are just waiting for an uninformed consumer to buy at your price.

Sitting on vidya at a stagnant price for months isn't good business.

All games (barring a handful of ones nobody is forcing you to buy) are totally within the realms of affordability to almost anyone. Even if you have a shitty minimum wage job, there's nothing to stop you from putting aside a bit of money for a few weeks in order to afford something. It seem like all the people getting upset over used game prices just expect their collectors items to be worth pennies and for nobody to want them aside from them. And some of you try to justifying on this myth of the "false gamer" who buys them only for "hipster cred" (it's nearly 2014 and people still think that this exists). No, you just happen to have a really common hobby with a massive amount of people trying to buy the same things.

The same thing happens with sought-after used clothing, cars, books, anything. You're all lucky you have such a cheap hobby. And you CHOOSE to collect, you don't even NEED to buy the games to play them. I really don't understand what there is to be angry about.

>>1305631
can you children into economics? idiots using your logic are the ones who caused the housing bubble, the comic book bubble. Yeah it works short term but nobody with a head on their shoulders would get into that kind of market only a retard middleman with no vision of the future.

>>1305115
You buy off games and then sell them for more. The service you provide is nil (you don't own a store, you don't provide stable wide selections for masses of people), but you still surcharge. That's not how capitalism works. See "speculation". You gain a few bucks, others lose a lot, and the market is a growing bubble. When it bursts, you won't lose much, but real businesses that trade retro games and pay taxes will go under. You don't care or can't be assed to learn more about this, and THAT'S exactly why you're a bad person.

>>1305654
who cares about the future man u might get hit by a bus

This whole fucking thread

>>1305658

I own a store. So, I guess fuck you.

>>1305631
They don't know what they're doing. To earn a lifetime $2000 each, they establish 500+% markups on entire ranges of products in some cases. Look at the outspoken backlash. This situation is not for long, but they don't care or are too stupid to care.

>>1305592
>Reseller scum, on the other hand, are people who buy up games (often for next to nothing)
Just saying, but if resellers can obtain games for next to nothing, you can too. If you can too, you don't need to pay eBay prices. That said, resellers are then not a problem.

>>1305670
If you provide a real service, it's natural to charge for that. But you said you just peddle shit on he side as a side-hobby; that's not "owning a store". Do you make it easier for customers to find games? Is your mark-up 10-15% at best? If yes, you are a functioning, beneficial part of the market. But if you say no to any of these, you are working against it.

>>1305728
>Is your mark-up 10-15% at best?
lol

>>1305719
Let me explain.

1. People sell games for cheap.
2. Resellers buy games for cheap and create artificial scarcity.
3. Prices go up.
4. There's a vocal backlash.
5. The market crashes.
6. Resellers are as poor as they always were - they've earned laughable money each. Actual businesses die out too, though.

That's how it goes. For a while they make people pay more for less, and then they take some smaller businesses with them to the grave. I. e. there's a moderate negative effect and no positive effect whatsoever.

>>1305728
It's standard practice for stores to have 50-100% markup between what they pay for something and what they sell it for. Only 15% would not be enough to keep yourself from going under unless you're selling absolutely thousands of items weekly. With very few employees.

Now if you want to see something really absurd:
>GameStop buys something for $9
>turns it around and sells it used for $55
>611% markup

tldr 100% is normal markup, not 15%

>>1305757
Shelf and storage cost a lot for big stores, which is what they charge for. It's not just tricking a mom into selling EB for $5 so you cn trick the dad into buying it for $200.

>>1305176
Your doubles of madden games aren't worth more than 5 bucks even if it is complete collector faggot

>>1305757
>using %s to mark up
ur mr gay

200% on most games would be understandable but your shitty torn up sticker earthbound is only going to sit there and fucking rot.

>>1305783
>your shitty torn up sticker earthbound is only going to sit there and fucking rot.
Why the anger? Do you think I'm a reseller or something?

>>1305786
no not you specifically just anyone going strictly by percentages like its some law haha

We could start a /vr/ trading website.

All the games have fixed prices.

You go on and buy the game you want. If it's not in stock you get a queue number.

also

You go on and sell the game you want. If there's a queue for it, you can sell it immediately. If there's not it goes in stock and you get a queue number. If you're first the next person to come and buy that game gets your copy.

of course this system has some caveats, please ignore or try to poke holes in my idea and improve

>>1305787
Alright

>>1305791
>All the games have fixed prices.
lol

Good luck with that

Practice what you preach. That's how you fix it.

See that Earthbound copy you have? Sell it on eBay buy it now for $49.99. Smash Bros copy? BIN for $9.99. Every game in your collection: sell it at what you would buy it at.

Oh, you don't want to since they go for more? Then don't bitch about prices.

>>1305795
by which I mean they will be set anew every 3 months, but the website will dictate what price each game sells at.

you can basically just set the prices to strategically undercut resellers.

>>1305791

OR

I could sell my copy of Earthbound on eBay for almost $200.

Tough choice.

I'm honestly surprised some games are so cheap.

>>1305825

That's what I'm saying. Everyone who bitches about this still feeds into it and sells shit for market value. Don't bitch about something you feed into. If you're serious about fighting the system, everyone sell your games at the same time for what they "should" be worth.

>>1305115
>communists
This thread is now a ranting lunatic communist hate machine powered by self entitled man childs.

>>1299932
>But all that will do is force every reseller to set a fixed Buy It Now price and enable the option whereby the auction will continue to run until the buyer actually pays for it.
As someone who sells stuff on ebay, I'm pretty sure no such option exists.
But using fake accounts to 'buy' things would annoy anyone who sells on ebay. Because when you Buy It Now and never pay, it will pull the listing from the view of someone who may actually buy the item. I have no clue how hard it is to make a fake ebay account because i made my account years ago and i wouldn't go on ebay just to be a polesmoker.

>I want a car
>car is somewhat common but very desirable
>kbb says car is worth way more than it should be
>everyone sells it for more
>can't get car because I want it to be priced at what I think it should be priced

I wonder why these threads aren't on /o/ all the time. Maybe even /o/ knows how much of a joke mentality that is.

>>1305853
You can set a reserve on an auction and it won't sell unless bids go over it

>2014
>Buying games when you can emulate them
Spend your money elsewhere nerds

lmao you guys think video games are expensive wait until you get into literally any other hobby

>>1305863
Jesus fucking christ super mario and duck hunt is NOT a 30 dollar cartridge no matter what type of explanation you try and give. Thats it end of fucking story no arguments. Seriously if you think SMB/Duck hunt commands a 30 dollar price due to supply/demand just go fucking hang yourself. I dont think anyone is mad at people who know what they are doing reselling, its these fucking idiots that end up with 100 copies of SMB/DH they cant sell because nobody wants to pay, then we have to listen to you shitheads on here "THEY ASKING PRICE IS WAT DEY R WURTH DURRRR DA PRICE OF GAMES WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GO UP, I SOLD ALL MY PRECIOUS METALS AND INVESTED IN VIDYA INSTEAD BECAUSE IM SO GOOD AT CAPITALISM"

>>1305873
>Jesus fucking christ super mario and duck hunt is NOT a 30 dollar cartridge no matter what type of explanation you try and give.
Why not?
It's still lower than retail. Many collectors items go for higher than original retail price.

>>1305870
>be me
>like tanks
>several years ago went through a model building phase
>go to local hobby store yesterday
>model tanks that are the size of your palm once done are $69-$100
>disappointment.mov

>>1305876
I bought a copy for $0.25 a while back. I also bought the notably more uncommon SMB/Duck Hunt/Track Meet version for $3.95.
It's a very common, cheap game with many, many copies available online for as little as one dollar. That's why not. The person who tries to sell for $30 is the massive outlier.

>>1305883
>cheap game
That can change, like anything
>The person who tries to sell for $30 is the massive outlier.
Then it's not a problem

>>1305865
Reserve on an auction isnt the same has having a buy it now and auction price. If you do both auction and buy it now, as soon as the item gets a bid, the buy it now option is gone.

>>1305876
because its common as the fucking dirt and if 1 asshole is going to ask 30 ill go find another asshole to sell it for less if they dont, they sit on that game forever and I wait patiently for them to go out of business then buy everything they have when they are trying to pay back taxes they owe for running such a shit business. Do you "capitalism" preahcers even take supply into account? Yeah the demand exists for super mario bros but you also have to remember its the fucking pack in game and is more common than dirt. The ratio for that specific game to people who want that game honestly has to be like 30:1. the supply far outweighs the demand just because they hide the rest of the stock in the back of the store doesnt mean supply is running low. I can understand paying for something thats actually rare, I pay fair prices for my vidya 50 bucks for something like donpachi is fair because its actually rare, and a decent game with some demand attached to it.

Donpachi in a reseller faget store though would probably be like 150 bucks because they went through the ever so hard task of accepting a trade in from some nerd and then looking it up and ebay and doubling that then saying well if you want the ebay price go to ebay. THAT IS A RESELLER FAGET.

>>1305896
Wow. It's just $30 man. A collector's item. You don't have to buy it. You seem like you have some kind of bizarre entitlement, that you have a right to buying these old games for dirt cheap prices and that the people asking a higher price for them are the most evil people in the world. Just don't buy it if you don't want/can't afford it. There's loads of things I want and can't afford, but I'm not going to blame the world for it. $30 nothing, how are you gonna go ape over that?

>>1305896

Any car dealer will tell you the same fucking thing if you go in there toting "I found this 10k car for 3k on eBay". Everybody in retail are resellers unless you found a wholesaler that will sell for no markup individually (aka not gonna happen). So again, your bitchfit is hilarious and anyone who even notices your plight thinks you're a joke.

>>1305896
Man you commies sure crack me up.

>>1305896
lmao @ catching all these feelings over cheap video games
i spend more than $30 on food every day and u are getting teary over duck hunt smh

>>1305896
I DECIDE WHAT EVERYTHING IS WORTH AND IF I DON'T LIKE IT I'LL CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>1305915
hahahaha fuck right off car dealerships are one of the places were you can still actually haggle you fucking retarded bitch.

>>1305901
I can afford it, what dont you get though its common as fucking dirt, the only one buying it for 30 dollars is nobody. I do buy all my games at fair prices as I said but you cant seem to read.

Again prices should reflect actually supply and demand, NOT SELLER SPECULATION YOU DENSE MOTHER FUCKER.

>>1305896
>communist
>uses homophobic slurs
>entitled
>incoherent
You are so dumb man

>>1305920
>i spend more than $30 on food every day
>personal fiscal responsibility = 0
My food for today totaled at about $4.50. Unless you're buying food for several people that is just over the top

>>1305926

>still believing in haggling
Nigger that shit is a myth. I've worked at a dealership (for three years) and all use a stages system that will go into effect with each argument. It will never be sold for less than way more than they got it for (50% markup at least).

If you still actually think that shit is real and youre haggling the price down to eBay prices you're in for a huge shocker.

>>1305926
>the only one buying it for 30 dollars is nobody
If nobody's buying it at these unfair prices, what's the problem?

Question for all the retard apologists in this thread? If your retro vidya is worth so much and in such high demand why dont your vidya shops ever stay open more than 2 months.


>>1305920
so do I you stupid fuck but there are MORE COPIES OF THAT SPECIFIC EXAMPLE I GAVE YOU than there are PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT SPECIFIC GAME. seriously how are you born so fucking stupid? What dictates the price to you, the maximum amount you can jew out of a retard?

>>1305935
>why dont your vidya shops ever stay open more than 2 months.

Because everyone just buys them for the same price off ebay.

>>1305935
>MORE COPIES OF THAT SPECIFIC EXAMPLE I GAVE YOU than there are PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT SPECIFIC GAME
Prove it mate

>>1305936

Because if somebody put an add up for $20 for a Milky Way they're reseller scum and are ruining the economy of vintage candy obviously.

>>1305934
yeah okay I saw that piece of shit sitting on your lot for the entire year bro, you either throw in the AC and heated seats or i fucking walk. Nobody wants that shit for that price retard you keep paying to have it on your lot so you arent going to let it go and loose money so you will continue.

FYI cars on ebay are sold by private owners for the most part, people who sell vidya on ebay are usually ebay stores who do that shit for a living and of course they need to mark it up a bit, dont be so fucking stupid nobody is going to overpay for your junk.

>>1305931
im rich af

>>1305935

My friend opened a retro store and has been going strong for 3 years. Sells for around eBay price and nobody complains.

>>1305947
What do you do? Just curious.

>>1305951
moderately famous rapper

>>1305946

...you believe a dealership will throw on add-ons to the car in haggling? Have you ever even walked into a dealership?

REPORT ALL COMMUNIST THREADS
DON'T REPLY TO COMMUNIST THREADS

>>1305936
neckbeards thinking they are sitting on gold man, its just some fucking plastic carts. If the value of all my games just shit the bed all of a sudden and retro was worth nothing that would be a good thing to me because I'm a gamer who buys those things to enjoy them. I'm not the type of faggot in this thread who buys it to put it on display thinking he is going to impress the company he never has over.

>>1305950
nobody ever said that was a problem, its when they sell over that price and dont give you incentive to shop there. "well mr. anon if you pay 30 dollars over ebay price you can take this fine game home today" Nice try faget I have enough other games to play I dont need yours that bad. Seriously I cant think of any other business model, the types of stores that do that are just banking on ignorance.

>>1305965
>its just some fucking plastic carts
>its just some fucking cotton
>its just a fucking stone
>its just some fucking metal
>its just wires and chips and shit
>its just ingredients from the earth

>>1305970
>I cant think of any other business model, the types of stores that do that are just banking on ignorance.
That's because this is the only one you are passionate about and you are just finding out how business works and it hurts your feelings.

>>1305814

Good point. These threads only stem from gamers on 4chan being NEETs that can't afford the going price for retro games. If they actually owned the games and were in a bind these niggas would sell that shit for whatever the fuck they were going for on eBay which is a crock of shit if they're so mad about the prices of games.

NEETs can go get fucked.

>>1305954
How hard did you get fucked in the bum everytime you bought a vehicle? How does it feel to pay sticker price for something? How does it feel to pay full sticker price and not get aluminium rims, ac, heated seats and sattelite radio? You paid full sticker price for bare bones, everybody laugh at this pleb

>>1305953
I'm your biggest fan
Give me some of your fortune

>>1305978

I SOLD the cars. I know the actual business model and just explained it.

I'm only just getting over the fact that there are adults who spend money on old video games, and know I find out they there are actually adults on the internet getting upset that they have to pay $20 for something? You're killing me, /vr/.

>>1305976
I'm not one of the guys who complain but I have a job and I can't afford half of this shit. :(

>>1305975
not really lots of places are open to haggling, the business needs our money more than we need their frivolous shit. Fuck you can even haggle at best buy I dont know what the fuck you plebs thinking making a purchase is like. Most shit is a buyers market, retro vidya is a sellers market you cant even compare the two.

>>1305991
>Fuck you can even haggle at best buy I dont know what the fuck you plebs thinking making a purchase is like.
maybe best buy in pakistan lol

>>1305989
Join us with our emulators, then.

Collecting is nice and all, but if you want to play the games, break out those ROMs and ISOs.

I promise we'll have fun.

>>1305984
No you didn't I just walked out on you and went and did business with someone else. Sure they didn't make as much as they would have but they made enough to make it worth it, while all your shit gathers dust because nobody wants to deal with your made up bullshit like you cant haggle because your profit margins are too thin because your boss needs a new corvette. Nice try faggot, I'm not the type of nigga that pays for other niggaz shit.

>People who collect
Constantly whining about game prices, spend so much time getting angry about prices and whether their CRT is set up correctly in their parents basement that they spend very little time playing games. Almost always trying to recapture feelings from their childhood, have very little care for the actual games.

>People who emulate
Care about the actual experience, not bothered about frivolous extras or method of delivery. Much more likely to have a balanced lifestyle, friends, romantic relationships, owning property, having success in the workplace. Doesn't get angry about minor things like video games because they spend time playing them.

>2014
>owning physical games

ITT: Whiny poor folk BTFO

>>1306004
this is bait

>>1306013
How?

I love anonymity on 4chan, but for these threads I always wish I could see who was posting them and get a gauge on their lives and then do a research paper on it.

>>1306021
I would read that

>>1299473
I think he either left or as t posts as a regular anon. I want around her too much when he was here but i remember a video he posted, I think it was him anyway, that showed him buying boxed snes games dirt fucking cheap. High dollar games at that. Then threw it in /vr/'s proverbial face by posting the links to those games on his eBay.

I can't believe you fucking idiots got trolled for like 2 hours by a hypothetical $30 Super Mario Brothers / Duck Hunt.

Thirty seconds on eBay tells me it's worth $5-$8 and can be bought by anyone at any time day or night for $5-$7. Anyone trying to sell it for more than $7 ain't gonna sell it.

>>1306079
thats not a troll, there are reseller shops that try and pull that shit. They also tell you gb2ebay if you dont wanna pay their 30 bucks, those stores close shop after a year or two at the most. I thought that was what people were bitching about in this thread. Like thats the type of moron I think of when I think of reseller, not some guy whos a hobby shop and has a little bit of markup for convenience charge and has good rotating stock because people actually conduct business with him. I dont know so many people cant understand that and would rather just be a retard apologist and say that neckbeard who is going to go out of business actually dictates value even though nobody touches his shit with a 60 foot pole.

>>1305863
The difference is that cars aren't readily available at thrift stores and yard sales for $2.

>>1305791
>All the games have fixed prices
>games have fixed prices
>fixed prices
No
What's wrong with a mutually agreed upon price by both the seller and buyer for every transaction?

>>1306356
Inflation.

>>1299168
I have always thought about this. I would love to organize swap meets and shit in local areas among /vr/.

>>1305115
It's because there's no check on resellers. Even if you horribly overprice something and tack a [RARE] tag on Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt, there's always going to be some mongoloid with an open wallet.

>>1306718
No there's not.

>>1306272
I would fucking laugh in the face of anyone with a shop like that

>>1305873
>I SOLD ALL MY PRECIOUS METALS AND INVESTED IN VIDYA
Fucking genius! You got out of the gold bubble just before is burst!

>>1305920
>$30 on food every day
Wow! We're all so impressed that you supersize your 3 McMeals every day and are so retarded to think that's worth bragging about.

>>1305926
>prices should reflect actually supply and demand
Prices should be whatever the sellers say they are. They should also be printed on plain white labels, ones that reflect are hard to read. And if you don't like the price you should fuck off and buy it somewhere else. That's how supply and demand works.

>>1305950
Your friend is clearly evil. You should kill him in the name of the people.

>>1305985
>adults
10/10. i lold

this thread is another proof of how autism filled this board is.

>>1306771
>Fucking genius! You got out of the gold bubble just before is burst!
Sometimes I wonder how much luck you would need to make money by repeatedly jumping on/off bubbles.

>>1307037
>luck
Absolutely none. Bubbles are easy to spot as long as you're objective and if you're not greedy you won't get stung. For example, I got out of gold just after it topped $1000. It's still well above that so I got out "too early". I got in at under $300 so I give a flying fuck if I didn't squeeze every last penny out of it.

>>1299039
I don't actually care about resellers either or see a problem with it. It is just like a dealer for any other hobby. Not only that, but when you do deal with them, you guys is you want it both ways as well.

"this store is ripping me off for not giving me what my game's worth!" and then "this store is ripping me off for overcharging!"

Which is it? Are they supposed to buy the game at market and sell it at equal market? What is overhead?

>>1305920
>i spend more than $30 on food every day

>>1307920
I really want some cheddar cheese now

>>1307037
>Sometimes I wonder how much luck you would need to make money by repeatedly jumping on/off bubbles.
Hey, it worked for the Oliver Twins.

>>1307920
I always get tempted to buy those big blocks of cheese at Albertsons and doing that when I walk by them.

>>1307920
What really depresses me the most about that picture is that he's wearing a wedding band and I haven't had a girlfriend in almost 3 years.

>>1308112

wait, that's a dude?

>>1307920
lol yeah holy shit.

I could last an entire day comfortably on a $12 pizza and I'm not even thin or short by any means.

People can get by on sub-$10-15 (maybe even sub-$2-5 if they're willing to cook) quality food. The only reason things should be that expensive is if you're eating out OR you're buying into shit you don't need like "organic" crap. Maybe if you're a really fit person and you're chugging down vitamins and supplements and protein shakes along with eating heavily to burn it off, sure, it might cost more, but eh, 99% of people aren't.

I mean good food is nice, don't get me wrong, but after a certain point you're just spending money to feel good about what you're eating rather than necessarily how good the food is.

Could we just deflate the market by buying and selling to each other really low? Say sell a copy of earthbound from one to anther for $20, creating enough eBay history to then reference to resellers. "Well 6 copies just went for $20 so there's no way I'm paying $60"

Good old price fixing.

it's not my fault retards bid up my 99 cent no reserve auction of super metroid to $37

fuck man, if that's what people want to pay who gives a shit

>>1308638

What you get then is a bunch of resellers buying your games up for cheap and reselling them, or you coordinate between yourselves so the game gets bought within minutes, in which case the resellers just point out it was undervalued and went quickly because of that, or you look like a money laundering operation.

>>1308638
The only way for you to deflate the market is if you went out and got every copy of something like Earthbound imaginable and started selling it at a really low price through multiple accounts to make it look like the value actually went down. If you are going to waste that much time and money you may as well just spend it on something else.

>>1304376
Fucking this.

I don't get all up in arms about resellers because I'm also at the thrift stores and pawn shops looking for deals. If they can find that shit, so will I, eventually. And I have.

Everyone who insists that resellers are destroying their hobby are just lazy or frustrated that other people have more money than them.

I go out every pay week to all the thrift stores and pawn shops in my area and buy every single video game they have worth more than $10. If it's one I want for my collection, I'll keep it. The rest are sold on ebay. I make a bit of money and always have enough to fund my next personal collection purchase.

Fucking deal with it.

>>1308670
Yeah it's normal to resell things you collect for a profit, people in these threads are just bitter and/or jobless.

>>1308569
Holy shit, you are horrendously, dangerously misnformed about nutrition. Both diets you've described are shortcuts to an early, early grave.

>>1308701
I don't eat like that at all, I'm just saying I could if I wanted to.

Of course a balanced diet is ideal, but that gets cheaper with cooking and such. It's actually the least expensive of the three.

Both of them were sort of on the extreme end of being extraordinarily lazy and eating nothing but junk or going overboard and getting your body all jacked up with who knows what. The point was essentially to say that your "style" of diet shouldn't make such a huge impact.

>>1308710
Well, when you said that you could comfortably last on a pizza, I figured that's what you normally do. O.K. then, crisis averted.

>>1308670

I'm in the same boat as you.

In the last week I've gone out and spent $200 on four separate lots that are worth over a combined $2,000. Everything from SNES to Genesis to SNES to PS1 to Saturn to 64 etc.

The games are out there. The deals are out there.

These people need to get off their lazy, entitled asses and get them or forever bitch and moan and have shitty fucking collections.

At any rate, these threads are useless.

>>1308720
>In the last week I've gone out and spent $200 on four separate lots that are worth over a combined $2,000.
No you didn't.

And even if you did, it's not worth $2000. It's worth $200. If it was worth $2000, you would have paid $2000 for it.

>>1308720
Resellers are harmful to the market, because they overinflate prices. The argument that the negative effect of their faulty amateurish marketing techniques can be technically overcome misses the point.

>>1308674
A lot of the people who complain about them think they are taking all the games at the thrift shops and flea markets without realizing there are a ton of collector's just like them out in the same areas looking for games too. I mean yeah resellers also buy shit at them but they are not big enough to get all the fucking games available. Video game collecting has boomed while the supply for the games have been getting smaller so of course it's going to be harder to find them.

>>1308727
That's not the point. People buying off duplicate copies specifically to resell them at a higher price for personal gain without providing any kind of service for the money are working against everyone else... which is why everyone else thinks they're bad people.

Houlsn't that be clear? You're just escalating the argument. "Well, yes, resellers are scum, technically, but games can still be gotten, so resellers aren't scum at all" is what you're saying.

They're doing everyone a disservice for minimal, laughable personal gain. They are indeed sorry people.

>>1308725

You have no idea how garage sales and Craigslist work before Christmas, do you?

People need money or to clean out space for new things.

Paying $200 for games/consoles worth $2,000 seems awfully fucking complicated for you to understand, doesn't it?

>>1308752
Despite the current size of everyone's favourite bubble, old games aren't worth than a few bucks each. Unless you've bought dozens upon dozens of them, $200 was already too much.

Perhaps if you peddle them door-to-door fast enough, you could make a small profit by ripping off the gullible, but you know it's not good when even the absolute best case scenario sounds patently awful.

>>1308720
list or pics of said games.

>>1308752
You know what I spent $2000 on recently? A new Macbook Pro. How many new Macbook Pros do you find at garage sales for $200?

How many old ass dirty video games that have been sitting under a radiator for 15 years do you see at garage sales for $200?

Guess which one's worth $2000.

Paying $200 for something that's worth $200 seems awfully fucking complicated for you to understand, doesn't it?

>>1308778
Wait until he tells you your problem with this is that you're poor or else the games would've indeed cost two grand for you, or some ridiculous shit like this. We've already seen it in the thread above.

>>1308670
b-b-but I wanted some of those. MUH ENTITLEMENT!

>>1308701
Of course no one can survive on a just a pizza a day. You need at least a 6 pack of beer to wash it down.

>>1308724
It's nice to hear well thought out arguments supported by facts from world renowned economists such as your self.

>>1308725
See above

>>1308778
>new Macbook Pro
It all makes sense now

>>1308806
>buy a game for $1
>"it's worth $10!"
>buy another game for $1
>"it's worth $10!"
>buy another game for $1
>"it's worth $10!"
>repeat 197 times
>lol i know how the economy works

Hey guys, I bought a bag of Doritos at 7-11 for $1 and I'm selling on Ebay for $10. If you don't buy my bag of Doritos then you're a entitled commie poorfag who hates the free market.

>>1308845
Not even him, but
>prices do not vary and the price you find something at is ALWAYS indicative of its true price and never undervalued, but sometimes it's overvalued!
That's just ridiculous. There's a spectrum. This is why we have averages. It is very possible to buy things on the low end and sell them for their true value, or however much people will pay you.

How is this hard to believe? It's an inevitable factor of not having a mandatory, set, universal price on a good.

>>1308857
Oh my god, you're hopeless. It doesn't fucking matter if you think something is worth less than it is just like it doesn't matter if a seller thinks a $1 bag of Doritos is $10. All that matters is what people exchange it for. Everything else is just noise. The entitlement is thinking you "deserve" to have it for less than its value just because you say so and you think it should be worth that much even if people aren't willing to exchange it to you for that.

>>1308861
> There's a spectrum. This is why we have averages.
Gee, now you're starting to make some sense. Maybe now you're ready to admit that the high price is no more indicative of the true value than the low price?

>>1308872
That was the first thing I'd said in the thread for probably a day or two.

A person selling EB for $700 isn't going to have anyone buy it and yes, it's therefore overpriced. But anyone who can ever sell their stuff has done a successful deal and that's all that really matters.

Reseller hate is nonsense because resellers don't actually do anything harmful at all. They aren't "hoarding up all the good games" to the extent that it drives prices up. If the price is high, it's because people are paying for barely lower prices and, very possibly, the higher prices too. To say that resellers are driving all the prices up implies that the games are either owned almost exclusively by resellers and no one else owns them OR that no one else ever sells them OR that resellers somehow have access to a market you don't. All of those are ridiculous.

Not all reseller are piece of shit,
there is this guy that is always in the same spot at the flea market where I go every weekend, I always buy from him even if he is a reseller since he doesn't make absurds prices.

>>1308650
>money laundering
But if you're buying and selling the same game between two people for the same price over and over, after eBay fees you lose money, right?

So how about instead of complaining about the prices other people are selling their goods for, you get off your entitled ass and go to flea markets and pawn shops?

>start a black-label gamecube collection this summer
>GC prices have spiked the last year or so
>have basically every good 1st party game, only a couple games left I want to get
>never payed more than $10 for a game
I just went to pawn shops and goodwills and craigslist. At the pawn shops and goodwills, GC games were always $5. So I'd buy shit for my collection, and then buy and resell the other games that I already had. Basically every Mario game is an easy $20+... so my collection basically payed for itself. Stop whining and go outside.

ITT: people who are angry about free market economics and believe capitalism don't real
>>1308905
inb4 you're labeled as reseller scum single-handedly destroying the entire retra vidya market

>>1308901
because pawn shop aren't a thing that exist around here and there is only one flea market every weekend where there are always the same people with the same shit.

>>1308908
>tfw no flea markets here at all

>>1308908
well then sorry that sucks, but that's just too bad, I guess. Luck of the draw.

>>1308745
Like I said I understand there are resellers buying games from those places too. But I see a lot of people on /vr/ whine about them taking all the games from flea markets and thrift shops which is total bullshit.

>>1308845
>I'm a NEET living in my moms basement. I know how the economy works

>>1308857
>don't buy
Genius! You just "discovered" what everyone has been telling you all along

>>1308901
Because they're lazy shits who were always given everything by mommy and daddy and are now incapable of functioning in the real world.

>>1308908
>>1308914
Try harder

>>1309420
>But I see a lot of people on /vr/ whine about them taking all the games from flea markets and thrift shops which is total bullshit.
I'll break this down.

1. Game price is $5.
2. Resellers buy 40% of all copies and sell for as high as they could.
3. Price becomes $10.
4. Resellers win $2-3 each.
5. The product is now overvalued and people will not want to buy it. This is the silly little market having it's puny crash.
6. Stores go out of business (although, unlike resellers, they provided shelf and storage space and paid taxes, i.e. the markup was actually economically justified) even harder. Some resellers waste money.
7. Prices drop back to $5 in general (at first even lower for a while).

What have the resellers acheived? A scarcity for a few years, and some people have overpaid while making purchases before the crash. Not by much, it's all tiny and silly for any grown person. But to earn those few bucks, resellers have been inconveniencing thousands upon thousands of people for several years. There's nothing to like about video game resellers or any sort speculants. Their business practices are cheap and antisocial.

If people want to pay stupid prices for games that's their business. If you disagree with it, great, don't do it or support it. This isn't a real issue in any sort of way.

>>1309640
>40% of copies priced at $10
>60% of copies priced at $5
>Value of game: $5 (unchanged)

I'm going to kind of assume you're talking about Earthbound, though - a game that resellers DID actually inflate the value of through stockpiling. It was quite a feat to accomplish for just that one game, which had production numbers and value trends that made it a good candidate. The solution? Don't buy that one game. You bet your ass I sold mine for $450 when I found out I could. Nintendo also kind of addressed that with their VC release, which did effect the market.

There is no shadowy conspiracy to do this to all games. It would be patently unfeasible. This sort of thing does effect DEMAND in general - but slightly increased demand can be GOOD for collectors when it pushes prices up to a point sellers are even willing to bother with them.

It's good that now you can order most Atari 7800 games or Genesis games for $2 at any time. It's BAD that it's over-inflated the Super Nintendo market but it's honestly not that hard to boycott Super Nintendo completely for half a decade or so. I try to tell you all to stop buying Super Nintendo games (at market price), that there are just as many great games on Playstation but you just don't fucking listen to me.

>>1308112
Cheer up anon. I can assure you you would rather be a perma-virgin than in a relationship of that quality.

>>1310090
No, all copies become $10 in my example. If he resellers got a hold of 90% copies, they would have started selling them for hundreds. As a side effect, all copies of all games have their prices slightly inflated for no reason.

I have not read your post, because you did not understand the one you were replying to.

>>1310134
>this is what virgins tell themselves

>>1310158
It takes more than 40% to corner a market.
For your hypothetical to be realistic over half of the existing copies of the title in question would have to be on the market simultaneously.

I tried to keep that short since you're a tl;dr type. Earthbound is the only game where anything remotely like what you've described has happened.

Lots of games that used to be $5 are now $10 but it's not because of anyone controlling supply, it's a perfectly natural result of increased demand.

>>1310179
>>1308112
>People who would fuck 400 pound disabled girls

$1500 for Fire Emblem....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/151200548126?lpid=82

>>1305989

SNES here. Im considering selling my copies of expensive games I've beat to buy other games to play.

>>1310181
Nobody can corner the market, because there are no major players. For every non-service-providing reseller, the average price goes slightly up. That's it.

>>1311486
More like $30

>>1311603
Earthbound has definitely been artificially inflated. It's just one game, but it shows it can be done. It just requires the right game and the right people fucking with it.

>>1311486
It has that stupid ass game rated case on it.
>durr i'm gonna git moar if I gets me a case wit a shiney sticker awn it

>MUH ECONOMICS

>>1312421
I 'ad a laugh

The problem of you guys is just that you enjoy the buying and collecting more than the game. In my opinion an absolut average game is not worth owning and more importantly it's not worth palying. You guys need to start beating your games and also completing, there is nothing worse owning a ton of games you haven't played and by the time you reach the death bed you will have more than a ton if you keep going. But just think about it, is it really worth the lifetime buying products you will not fully enjoy? Hunting for retro games on garage sales and buying games just because it's a good deal? What is a collection worth if it isn't filtrated by your personal opinion? There are many games worth playing so you will never lack in variety and can continue to build your collection forever.

What I'm saying is that you should finish your fucking huge ass backlog.

>>1313563
What is even worse is the collectors keeping their games sealed in the box.

>>1313563
i know. i keep buying games and never test them out to see if they even work. im hoarding games for that one day when theres absolutely dick to play online ill turn to vidya

>>1313567
This is indeed retarded if you never play the game only because it's sealed.
Alone the delicious smell of a new sealed game that you just opened.. mnnnhh.

>>1313578
>>1313570
>>1313567
>>1313563
>Not playing your sealed investment games on your flash cartridge while reading the manual on your tablet

>>1311615
Not to mention the damn starmen cult whose members are trying to buy up every copy for gods know why

>So, what CAN we do about it?
Just don't... oh wait
>The apologist's mantra, "Just don't buy it," won't help
The answer is nothing, then.

>>1313778
To make the SD2SNES a more desirable option?

>>1313778
>Not to mention the damn starmen cult whose members are trying to buy up every copy for gods know why
Is that real?

>>1314470
http://starmen.net/
Be careful, you've been warned

imagine a movie where fat tom cruise is playing a role of autistic video gaming nerd

11/10 movie would love to see