/vr/ - Retro Games

So? If you've got nothing to discuss then don't start a thread, old threads last longer that way.

I would love to know what kind of TV that is. I know it's a Trinitron, but what year, what model, etc.

I can never get my Trinitron to do such nice pixels; scanlines are barely visible even.

>>1277713
Here is my Trinitron pics from the other thread, for those interested.

>>1277762
>>1277768
>>1277773

>>1277778
Here is the TV these were displayed on.

>>1277832

>>1277713

It's not really a TV, it's a professional monitor of the PVM line. They're high quality sets, even if BVM and Ikegami CRT monitors outclass them.

>>1277778
Well, first and foremost the geometry of your set is off. It's "keystoning" or turning trapezoidal, this is probably fixable through the service menu. Be careful changing those settings!

Second, your waviness and dot crawl/bloom is probably caused by your connection. Is it via RF?

>>1277840
>Ikegami CRT monitors outclass them
Too general, just having "Ikegami" on the front doesn't mean anything.

>>1277898

I meant high end Ikegami Professional CRT monitor.

>>1277889
Nope, it's AV.

Gu-Guys! Please, tell me, how do you take good photos of your CRTs, mines are alway blurry.

Did these really used to cost near $4000?

>>1277938
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnLAC5AJPuM

>>1277947

I don't know, but for the price this TV is sold now, i wouldn't say no.

>>1277947
I don't know about that specific one, but yes, prices used to be way up in that range and even higher.

>>1277947

Yes, because it is an XBR. Other similar tv's were not as much.

Had this CRT for a while now. Going on 20 years next July. Love the thing, and I fear its time is almost over.

>>1277947
>$4000
Well, l don't know how much germanys older currency DM (Deutsche Mark) was worth in US$ in 1978.
But i thought that this (short and unfinished) german article over a very big and expensive Trinitron would be interesting for you guys.

http://www.fernsehmuseum.de/1662.html

>January 1978 - Munch - World biggest color television

>World biggest color television set with an screen diagonal of 82cm (32inch), which weights 112kg (246lbs).

>Presented by Sony on the occasion of the opening of the bayerish* worker representatives Interberg-Electronic in Germering near Munch.
>The giant screen convincingly demonstrates television recordings with a new PAL-Betamax-VCR on 1/2inch 3 hours cassettes. More reports will follow.

>Including the color television set, which will probably find an small niche market for it's price of 10.000,-DM.

>ELO 1978, Magazine 1

*T/N: Bayern is a state in southeast germany

>>1277993
Bayern = Bavaria in German.

>>1278008
Thanks. I do not know all english names of states and cities of germany. So i mostly default to taking it directly over instead of searching the proper english name.

>>1277231
>Do not use in presence of flammable anaesthetics
Nice medical-grade PVM

>>1277947
Sounds about right. XBRs really were top of the range.

I don't have exact figures but my 14" PVM would have cost somewhere around £2k in the late '80s/early '90s. I found it for free.

>>1277231
OP, next time please use a subject line to open a general thread, or at least a descriptive comment. It helps with tab/window management.

>>1278023
(also helps with finding the thread in the catalog if the word "CRT" is searchable, btw)

I just bought this Bang & Olufsen MX7000 (was tired of waiting for a decent PVM available in my area) and I'm loving it, read about it on some other websites and they said it was great for retro gaming. Image is pretty good, don't know how it compares to a PVM but for my untrained eye it looks really clear. The sound is AMAZING, these things come with built in speakers and it is really nice.

Overall I'm really happy with my purchase.

>>1278359
You in Europe? Get a good deal?

>>1278367

Yeah, in the Netherlands. Got it for €75, including the special stand that allows you to rotate the TV with your remote.

Here is some image I got off another site with a similar model (MX4000).

>>1278372
Nice! Hope you have fun with it.

What's the best brand or whatever to shoot for? I'd like the best picture at the largest size.

>>1278570
1-Sony Trinitron
2-Curved over Flat
3-Nothing larger than 21" above that size and you'll notice crappy image

>>1278592
>nothing larger than 21"

Shit, my trinitron is 27".

>>1278672
my widescreen, but not HD crt is 28" and image is nice

>>1278713
Oh, thank god, I was worried. Anyway, I'm the same guy with the Trinitron and Ultima. I had to turn up the brightness because San Andreas becomes near unplayable due to how dark the game is; the lighting is shit.

I swear that is NOT a racist joke. At certain locations, the screen might as well be entirely black.

>>1278592
the flat trinitrons don't work well with lightguns
I like the cylindrical fronts personally
also, any HD trinitron MIGHT also not work because of refresh rate on gun games

>>1278730
>the flat trinitrons don't work well with lightguns

Really, I can play Duck Hunt just fine.

Also, same guy who linked to these:
>>1277778
>>1277836

I edited my display. How does it look? It's a bit dark, I managed to do so by turning the "Picture" setting to minimum (as that would make the single pixels visible instead of blurred), then adjusting "Brightness" and "Color" accordingly. The "color temperature" was set to "Warm" and the VM thing is "Off". I can take more pics if you need.

/vr/, what models of PVM are broadcast grade - i.e., the best of the best? If I'm going to pick one up, I want to get the most CRT pow possible.

Or should I be looking at a BVM instead?

36" Trinitron tv, not PVM tier but it's still amazing compared to my vizio, and it was free. Was hard enough to haul the thing @ 300 pounds or so from the apartment i took it from.

>>1278848
Well BVMs are modular so even if you get one that's composite only, you could add functionality later. PVMs are the way they rolled off the assembly line forever so make sure you get one with all the connections you want and as few hours on it as possible. Also with Trinitrons they get a little shittier as they get really big so if you want something bigger than like 26" maybe think about a Mitsubishi instead.

>>1278359
How's the deinterlacing function?

>>1278856
>>My Nigga

I got a similar TV at a flea market for $10. Super clean picture and RBG output. And far as light gun discussion goes, I played Gumshoe on mine. Works fine!

>>1278956
>RBG output
Do you mean component input?

All color crts have rgb output

>>1278960
Hah yeah. Sorry long day got my words confused. Still pretty solid picture. Only complaint I have is that my Genesis picture is kinda eh. Needs a S-Video upgrade.

I have a 14" PVM from 1993 that I found at an electronic recycling company a while back when I lived in California. It looks and plays just fine - but I've got no clue how many hours are on it and I'm paranoid it'll die on me any day now.

Problem is, now I live in Indiana and there is zilch in the way of PVM monitors here. The Goodwills in my end of the state don't carry CRTs anymore, and Craigslist is a dead end.

Is it worth it to find a lightly used PVM on eBay and just suck up the shipping cost while it's still possible to find ones with low hours? I'm worried 5 years from now this thing will be dead and I'll wish I had..

>>1277938
Steady hand, low ambient light, learning your camera's focusing quirks, and luck.

>>1279014
I am pretty sure it tells you how many hours it has done in the service menu.

Find out how to access it, but be careful not to change any settings.

>>1279037
Some of the newer, computer controlled ones do, but I'm not so sure about a model from 93.

>>1279039
What is the model number, it should tell you in the service manual if it records the hours.

>>1279048
I'm not him, just commenting on the idea.

>>1279048
Also not that guy, but I have a 14L2 from 2003 I'd like to find out the hours on. Anyone know how to check to see if that's recorded?

>>1279048
It's a 1340 and I can't find anything in the manual about usage hours.. damn.

>>1278592
>1-Sony Trinitron
Nice basic rec, but nobody should ever ignore non-Sonys just because they're ignorant of them. Demo them for yourselves! They're TVs -- the eyeball test is the *definitive* test.

>2-Curved over Flat
I've never had problems with FD Trinitrons or Diamondtrons. I have only noticed problems with flat Korean tubes. YMMV

>3-Nothing larger than 21" above that size and you'll notice crappy image
Any discussion of screen size is pointless without also talking about viewing distance. You can't just say "no 24+ inchers ever."

In my other home I have a 35" Toshiba flat SDTV that is an excellent sofa gaming TV. I wouldn't trade it for a mid-sized BVM if you paid me to do it, because it suits my needs as a sofa TV.

>>1278781
I remember your old pics having much worse color than this, so I think you definitely improved the picture.

>>1279215
>I wouldn't trade it for a mid-sized BVM if you paid me to do it
What about one of those massive 34'' behemoths?

>>1279215
It's not just the color, some of the pixels are actually viewable. At the cost of the game looking pretty dark, not sure by how much.

>>1279219
>What about one of those massive 34'' behemoths?
lol ok, let's make that trade

>>1279224
I wonder why you turned the Picture ( = Contrast I'm assuming) all the way down. I like turning Sharpness down to eliminate fake edge definition and graininess, but Contrast I only like to turn down a bit as needed.

>>1279242
"Picture" and "Contrast" are two different selections. I only turned Picture down so that I could adjust Contrast so that the pixels were visible without looking blurred out. I'm going to do more editing later on, and this TV has no presets.

How bright should the screen be? Bright enough to play games that are otherwise dark? I recall jamming the brightness way up because, for some strange reason, San Andreas would be unplayable if it got too dark. Not sure if it's a PS2 thing (shit lighting) or if this game was not designed for a CRT.

>>1279242
To take a better picture, what game(s) should I use? Please provide a list of games (NES, Genesis, Saturn, and PS2-3 are my consoles) that would give better photos and tests.

Here is some useful info on how to take photos of TV screens.

http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-photograph-an-image-on-a-tv

Probably only useful if you have DSLR.

>>1279268

Thanks a lot anon! I've alway wondered how did you guys took good CRT photos, mines are alway blurry.

>>1279253
So then is "Picture" = Brightness? I know on some TVs the word is substituted for something else.

And I think I understand now what you mean by turning it down so the pixels were visible...I guess you mean the phosphor don't bloom and blur together, right?

I have a Panasonic CRT monitor from the 90s that is slowly dying to the point where I have to jack up the Contrast and Brightness to use it normally...I hope this isn't what's happening to your TV.

>>1279257
Do you have S-video cables for the Saturn or PS2/3? If so, that would help.

Any of the Street Fighter games (large colorful sprites on a very familiar game series released across multiple platforms) would work well.

>Someone using an old picture of my CRT as OP

>>1279575
Congrats, It is one of the best representations of quality CRT i have found.

>>1279575
We love you anon, that's why

>>1279575
If I may ask, what type of camera did/do you use for taking shots of your CRT?

>>1279590
Pentax K-r.

>>1279290
The only input I have for my consoles is AV. I'm not that crazy to go and mod my consoles to have S-Video, so that might be it. As for the games, the closest to that would be Waku Waku 7 for the Saturn, which seems to have some stretched graphics.

>>1277231
My tv got same black line on the right side with some games (NTSC games probably).
Is that normal?

>>1279026
>>1279268

I've taken some shot after following your tips.he screen is my good old consumer grade Sony Trinitron, the model is a KV-14M1B.

>>1279865

After Altered Beast, a remake of the photo I posted earlier in this thread.

>>1277950

This game is one of those that make you hook your Megadrive to your amp and play it out loud. High quality FM Metal.

>>1279861
Saturn and PS don't need mods to do S-video, just cables.

>>1279861

No mod needed for the saturn.

>>1279871

Another one in Collumns.

3/5

>>1279909

And I can't even spell correctly the title of the game I just posted.

4/5

I ask again:

what is a good, as always preferably cheap, small CRT I could connect to my PC to play Emulators and and have it on my small desk? Screen size around 8"

>>1279913

5/5

>>1279914

Well a screen around 8" is very small. There might be some Broadcasting rack monitors, but it's input will mostly be composite only. You'll have more luck with a 14" monitor.

>>1279902
Faggots always want $100+ for Saturn S-video cables. Sickens me. I bought a set for like $6 on ebay YEARS ago, and didn't buy more because I didn't have a hard time finding them cheap.

>>1279952

Well you don't need to buy this cable from ebay, you can make a new one for less than 20$ at radiospares. just get some male and female Din with the pins pattern corresponding to the Saturn output and the S-Video input, solder the cables, put some insulating tape around solders to make sure it won't short circuit under any circumstance.

>>1279037
>>1279014
>>1279048
>>1279169

Older late '80s/early '90s PVMs (PVM-xx4x, xx3x, etc.) have no OSD at all, and are largely analogue with discrete logic.

They do have the benefit that there's less to go wrong with them, and a significant amount of the components are replaceable. Obviously things like tube age are more of an issue.

>>1279253
you should find something to calibrate your CRT. THX-approved DVDs should have some basic calibration menu that should help.

There are also some other DVDs like Digital Video Essentials that have loads of calibration screens.

Note that some TVs store different settings for different inputs, e.g. composite, s-video, etc. And generally with RGB you only get brightness and contrast.

Hard mode: SMPTE color bars with a blue gel

>>1279952
Is there something wrong with 3rd party cables?

I managed to tune down the colors, as the Genesis video would look like it has color bleeding, like the Reds would become too prominent. Here is Two Crude Dudes.

As a result, it looks like my NES video has taken a hit, and looks more washed out. I heard that the NES' standard PPU had washed out colors while the PlayChoice-10 PPU had brighter colors, so that might be it.

>>1280092
the playchoice 10 had shit colors it took like so many different colors on NES turned em all brown. I fucking hate people when they say its superior games look way worse running on those machines. Castlevania especially

>>1280113
Well, I didn't mean better colors, just less washed out. I don't like the PC-10 palette myself, but it'd be a lie if they weren't "louder" than the NES'.

>>1280092
Looks ok to me TBH. The previous NES photo looks over-saturated with colours starting to bleed.

Just be happy the NES displays on your TV at all - the NTSC encoder in the PPU is absolute garbage and barely compliant at all. Don't expect it to ever look good. The PC-10 looks good because it outputs RGB, but the palette is fucked up.

I'd recommend trying slower shutter speeds if you can so you don't get dark bars when taking photos. You need to go lower than 1/30 ideally. If you use "P" mode and can set the ISO, try 100 - that should reduce the shutter speed. You may need a stable platform or tripod though.

Also please turn off the timestamp. This information is totally redundant - the date and time is in the file attributes and in the EXIF data (Mr. Canon PowerShot A2200), and just looks ugly.

>>1279268
This guy doesn't know shit about TVs. The refresh rate of an SDTV is 50 or 60 Hz, but it's interlaced video so there's only a full frame every 1/25 or 1/30 second. 24 fps is film. And newer TVs don't just have higher refresh rates (that's only applicable to plasmas) - the picture on LCD panels does not flicker at all, but the backlight can (especially LED backlights controlled by PWM).

There are many compact cameras, bridge cameras, etc. with manual modes where you can set the shutter speed. And if it doesn't it's still likely to have a "P" (program) or some other semi-auto mode where you can change some other variables (e.g. reducing ISO, which equates to "slower" film, or setting aperture) that will change shutter speed requirements.

Also you may find with slower shutter speeds (e.g. >>1279026 at 1/21) that the picture gets over-exposed. Again in semi-auto modes you should be able to reduce the exposure compensation (EV).

>>1280343
Alright, good. I might as well see if I can get Saturn Bomberman and make my own version of the OP, for the best reference.

>>1280343
>The refresh rate of an SDTV is 50 or 60 Hz, but it's interlaced video so there's only a full frame every 1/25 or 1/30 second.
You're the one who doesn't know shit about TVs. 3rd/4th/5th gen consoles in normal graphics modes output all the fields with the same polarity so you get full 60fps 240p on a 480i display. This is also the reason you get obvious scanlines.

Hi everyone

What are my options for A/V for the Genesis? Because RF looks (and sounds) awful on my CRT. It's more so the sound I have a problem with. I think it's in mono. Sonic & Knuckles really doesn't sound that lame! I swear it sounded better when I was a kid, haha.

thank you

>>1280717
They're almost necessary to play a Genesis

>>1280720
Pardon?

>>1280717
RGB using a custom cable, S-video after a mod, or composite using a Sega/SNK/NEC cable. Stereo via front-mounted minijack on a Genesis 1 if you have one.

something to read:
http://www.retrorgb.com/genesis.html

something to hear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuIjwgPIQtg

>>1280724
Oh, I though you said opinions not options

The only real option you have is the AV and mono out

>>1280783
Cool, thanks for the info. Will read. By the way I have a Model 2.
Dear LORD that CDX sounds horrendous!

>>1280787
>I thoughT you said opinions not options
Lol

>>1280795
yeah, yeah

How do you feel about stabilization wires?

Sue doesn't like them.

I mentioned finding it in the last thread, but today I finally picked up my 1344Q for $25.

I need to learn to take good photos like this nigga right here >>1280840 , buy have this in the meanwhile.

Finally got some damn SCART cables for my Profeel Pro. God it's so nice looking.

I feel stupid.

I got a free 27" Sony Trini last week. Traveled about 25 minutes in the cold to get it. Very well-built, nice TV.

But I really did not expect it to be so massive in my room, though.
So I think I'm gonna go a little smaller. 7 inches smaller. Just waiting for the person to contact me back and let me know if this Sony has S-Video or not.

Ok, so I ended up picking up an old JC Penny CRT from 1985 off of Craigslist. Looks to be a Toshiba type.

It has these inputs in the back. From the research I've done, this looks to be some kind of EIAJ input, that has Digital RGB...from 1985??

Is there any way to convert or make this usable with analog RGB? Or should I just get rid of it? Has a nice composite video though...

>>1281004
Unless it has some sort of Analouge RGB voodoo going on, you can't get it from it.

>>1281004

Digital RGB already existed in 1985, it was used by IBM PCs and Commodore 128 computers, and looked like shit with it's 4 colors palette. Analog RGB is alway better than digital.

OH GOD, WHAT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgmzTkHNoxI

>>1281385
What do you expect from a country full of criminals?

I decided to fuck around with my composite only trinitron to see if i could add S-video input.

I looked up the datasheet for the jungle IC and found that it had pins for luma/chroma.

I just soldered wires from those pins and added 75ohm resistors and 0.1uf capacitors then hooked it all up to a S-VHS socket.

Works great, but is a little bit bright, might have to put in a adjustable trimmer pot to get the brightness right.

I also noticed that there are pins for RGB and component, but i don't have any cables to try and get that to work.

Will try to get pics later.

>>1281496
Gods speed anon

Are you going to put a S-video socket on it?

>>1281504
Already have.

The funny thing is, on the back plastic cover where the inputs are, there are holes already drilled for other inputs.

>>1281507
That's always the best

>>1281385

Guaranteed replies.

>>1281496
>Works great, but is a little bit bright, might have to put in a adjustable trimmer pot to get the brightness right.
Also you mean it looks brighter compared to composite from the exact same console?
It could be that Sony put an voltage divider (along with zener diodes) on the composite input (i guess it's some form of over voltage protection), like they did with the RGB my KV-C2521D (in the pic R, G, B IN on the top right connector comes straight from SCART 1).

>I also noticed that there are pins for RGB
Well, RGB from SCART is 0.7Vpp (max. voltage from peak to peak) with an termination of 75 ohms. It's likely that the IC directly supports it.
Don't forget the blanking signal (1-3V) with it's termination of 75 ohms.

>and component
Pay attention to the voltage and phase, you said that your trinitron is composite only which why i guess that your set is made in the early 90s.
On some of datasheets of such ICs from the 90s, Pr is called -(R-Y) and Pb is called -(B-Y).
Both color signals of YPbPr signals must be inverted (hence the minus before the "(" ) and amplified from 0.7Vpp (with 75 ohms termination) to 1.33Vpp for -(R-Y) and 1.05Vpp for -(B-Y).

>but i don't have any cables to try and get that to work.
Well, i don't believe you that you can't get some generic RCA jacks for the component inputs without spending too much (just get these in any color, and label them as Y, Pb, Pr or R-Y, B-Y).
For RGB you could substitute the SCART connector with something else but don't pick an connector which could confuse someone else.
btw 133Mhz used an 8pin DIN connector for his RGB hack.
https://web.archive.org/web/20111215141048/http://133fsb.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/adding-an-rgb-input-to-a-cheap-generic-ntsc-tv/

Of course getting the cables for your consoles is a entirely different thing, but you could attempt to make your own cables (use shielded wire for best results).
http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm

/vr/ - what sounds like the better deal to you:
$100 for a 2004 PVM 14L2 from a private, original owner with "minimal hour usage,"
or $150 for a 2003 20L5 from an electronic waste company second hand that looks just fine, but with no indication of how many hours it's put in?

>>1282203
Well do you need a 14" or a 20"?

>>1281830
If you get RGB working please do tell, I'm sure a few people would love to know they can add SCART to a older model curved display trinitron.

>>1282237
I'd be fine with either really. Was wondering what decision /vr/'d make because I'm indecisive as fuck.

>>1282273
Between 14" and 20" PVMs? 20" every time if you can get them at the same price.

>>1282260
In the previous thread i already gave an step for step description for the models KV-G21S1 and KV-G21S2.
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1258964/#1272332
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1258964/#1274883

I think that 90s models (the best after my opinion) are likely easier to mod than most older ones, especially when the service schematics and datasheets can be found on the net. But this entirely depends on chassis, one who wants RGB on his non-SCART set should study standards, schematics and datasheets. Doing an any kind of mod on a CRT TV via trial and error without knowing how it exactly works isn't a so good idea at all.

>If you get RGB working please do tell
I gotten something else to work.
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1258964/#1275864

>I'm sure a few people would love to know they can add SCART to a older model curved display trinitron.
Every CRT has an Red, Green and Blue electron gun. It's not impossible (but sure it will be hard) to add such a input to a earliest color TVs ever made.
You know, i wouldn't mind if people suddenly start to ask if a Scart mod is possible on their set. Giving technical advice is something i'm good at, unlike Ghosts 'n Goblins.

>>1282279
Do you think the extra 6" of screen is worth not knowing if there's a ton of hours on the unit, though? Ordinarily I'd go for the 20" no question, but I'm worried about the seller having no idea how many hours it's had on it compared to the 14" which was only ever used in the seller's home.
Here's the listings (both are close enough for me to pick up)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151158808400 The 20L5 with unknown hours
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261355349746 The 14L2 with low use

>Have a Sony trinitron CRT and Bravia LED TV in my room
>their remotes use the same frequencies
>both turn on, change channels/volume at the same time.

I have to unplug one when i want to use the other.

>>1282321
This reminds me
There's an 80s book in my college electronics lab that discusses building new driver boards for CRTs using a scart connector. Mostly for getting larger higher quality monitors cheaply for the new fancy Archimedes(although really it's probably just for the hell of it).
I'll see If I can get it and scan it.

>>1282203
PVM-20L5 does SD and HD (up to 1080i) and has a much better 800 TVL HR Trinitron tube - the L2's are pleb-tier in comparison.

At $150 it's a steal. Check it with some sort signal before committing to anything though.

>>1282335
This: >>1282417
The pictures of the L5 show it can least display a stable-looking raster so it's not completely fucked, but you can't see much with those crappy shots of the OSD.

If they can get the OSD up surely they can get the power-on hours count? But ideally you should take a look at it IRL with some signal, and check there's no burn-in etc.

>>1281210
>Analog is alway better than digital.
fixed

I'm about to pick up a RCA TruFlat CRT from a friend. It has a 20in. screen, component input, and s-video input.

>>1282483
Let us know what it looks like. have a really old RCA that I've owned for like 25 years and it's still pretty decent, even after sitting on my back porch for a year getting snowed on and rained into but some people say RCAs got much worse during the 90s.

>>1282426
>>1282417
Do you know how to check for an hours of use count in the OSD? I can't find anything in the 20L5 manual. I can drive up tomorrow and have a look if I know how.

>>1282390
please do.

>buy a Sony wega from 2004
>open it up to clean out any dust
>has 2 huge plastic drums inside that the speakers attach to which take up the whole inside of the TV.

What dafuq?

>>1283416
TruSurround, or something of the like if I had to guess.

>>1283416
>Wega

I thought those were no good?

>>1282473

You got me.

>>1281830
Should i be looking for that particular model or is the RGB mod the same for most TV's

What other models use that video chip?

>>1283698
>Should i be looking for that particular model
That's your decision. You might should try to get some schematics and IC datasheets (and think if such mod is possible for you to perform) before buying.

>is the RGB mod the same for most TV's
Just like i said in >>1282321
>this entirely depends on chassis, one who wants RGB on his non-SCART set should study standards, schematics and datasheets. Doing an any kind of mod on a CRT TV via trial and error without knowing how it exactly works isn't a so good idea at all.
and
>Every CRT has an Red, Green and Blue electron gun. It's not impossible (but sure it will be hard) to add such a input to a earliest color TVs ever made.

>What other models use that video chip?
My KV-C2521D has the AE-1B chassis. Other TVs with the same chassis are very similar but might have some differences like screen size, inputs, teletext support and etc.
And here's an list of Trinitrons which includes chassis, year, remote control and maybe features.
http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/35890/SONY_SONY.html
Models with AE-1B:
KV-C2521D
KV-C2521K
KV-C2531D
KV-C2921D
KV-C2931D
KV-X2131D
KV-X2531D
KV-X2931D

As you might tell from the date, I'm the same guy with the Trinitron. While it looks good in real life, the picture looks kinda crummy. I changed to Zen Intergalactic Ninja, as that has good color. I also slightly upped the color, and it looks good and not so dark to me.

>>1283971
>that lack of RGB
If you're going to post gore at least spoiler it.

>>1284052
Don't be such an elitist, it makes you sound like a hardcore faggot

>>1284052
Here's a Genesis game instead.

>>1284076
What game? I'll post a comparison if I can get it running.

>>1284079
Lightening Force, or Thunder Force IV.

>tfw I gave away my old Phillips 104s screen because I lacked space in my pad

Emulating Amiga with it was such a bliss ;_;

>>1284076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnLAC5AJPuM
obligatory

This board should just automatically blast Metal Squad whenever it detects someone has posted an image from Thunderforce 4.

>>1284097
Someone is always pushing that shitty remake. Stop it. At least post the original version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTQIiIKummw

>>1284106
Heh that's me. No idea other people started doing it too.

No I won't stop.

I really need a better camera.

>>1284120
Let me guess, a PVM?

>>1284106
>That awful YM2612 emulation from a long since outdated in_VGM

I wish people would stop posting -that-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb0J6B6RXx0

There isn't supposed to be any ear-piercing high pitched ringing in those drums.

>>1284135
u smrt

And this?

>>1278723
>not racial realism
>because blacks don't play violent vidyas

oh hohoho. good one, m8!

>>1284136
sounds good though i prefer real distortion guitars. and the original could be done better. FM synths aren't that bad if they bother to hire sound engineers to tweak the shite out of it like with many sierra games.

>>1284149
I give up, my TV is a piece of shit to calibrate. Genesis games look like they're squished, and I have to make my colors dull to prevent the reds from bleeding and being a giant glowing mess.

>>1284217
Not to mention, this makes NES games unplayably sharp. I don't even want to know what the PS3 will look like.

>>1284217
>>1284223
Post the model number of your Sony. You might be able to turn off those exaggerated reds.

>>1284223
>unplayably sharp

>>1284264

>>1284248
It's a Trinitron KV-24S100 from February, 2003. I found it on the side of the street.

>>1284264
>>1284272

That's not the "sharp" I was talking about. Everything looks so bright and like the pixels are spiky.

>>1284279
It's a PVM, if you want shitty convergence just open up the menu and adjust the sliders to your liking.

Just picked up a PVM the other day. No pics yet, but I was testing out the Saturn on it through the s-video channel last night and it was absolutely amazing.
Does it really look even better using a SCART-to-BNC for RGB? It already seems like my games are brand new again.
>tfw I can finally retire my old wood-paneled glass ray gun

>>1284272
>>1284264
This is what it looks like. Keep in mind this is a Trinitron and I'm using a stock NES with AV wires.

>>1284306
This is what it looks like up close.

>>1284306
What about stock ROM? Be reasonable.

>>1284314
Forgot to mention that I don't actually own a copy of SMB, so I had to fire up a multicart that I have.

>>1284324
What games does it have that aren't romhacks?

>>1284331
SMB 2-J isn't a romhack. It shouldn't look as garbled as it does on his TV.

>>1284331
They're all edited to some degree, such as removal of title screen or copyright info.

That's not the point, Mario looks the same, but he looks awful on my TV. Then again, it isn't an RGB modded NES running to a PVM.

>>1284337
My mistake, I thought Mario's sprite was modified.

Here's how my AV modded Famicom looks.

>>1283971
It's over-exposed, that's why the photo looks bad. You need to reduce ISO or reduce EV or something

>>1284349
Hmm, PVM isn't doing me much good. But, maybe I could replace my Trinitron with a PVM if I can find one. I'm guessing it's 24" since it's modelname is KV-24S100, but I measured it and it looks like 27". Regardless, do they make PVMs that big?

>>1284359
On the TV? I wish I knew how they worked.

>>1284361
There are some large ones but you're not going to want anything bigger than 20" due to picture quality, weight and rarity becoming an issue.

I'm a PC gamer so sitting at a desk with a small and high-quality monitor is normal for me.

>>1284372
Hmm, alright. I like having a large image, but to each his own.

What about Rear Projection TVs? I figure that those bad boys are equally /vr/ given they were a huge thing in the 90's, but are completely obsolete by today.

>>1284361
No, on your camera. And turn off the datestamp goddamn, it's already been explained that it is redundant

>>1284392
It's not my camera, it's the family camera, so they'd probably bitch at me for changing some settings, even eliminating the date.

I'd buy my own camera, but fuck spending $200 on one.

>>1284378
If you're going to do that, go the extra mile and just get a CRT projector

>>1284401
Maybe turn it back on after you're done using it? Jesus Christ, Man.

>>1284403
I wonder how well they work with light guns

>>1284407
I'm not going to edit hundred of options every fucking time I use it.

>>1284414
>hundred of options
>Timestamp
>one option

For changing things like ISO and EV, you'll need to use "P" mode anyway. Just change it back to "Auto" when you're finished.

>I'd buy my own camera, but fuck spending $200 on one.
Don't worry, you wouldn't get a good camera for $200 anyway. But you can improve on your photos significantly by not using pleb Auto mode.

Anybody here have experience with programming a Bang & Olufsen MX?

>>1284413
Dandy as long as you use it in rear projection mode.

>>1284279
>KV-24S100
I'm finding almost nothing on that.

>Everything looks so bright and like the pixels are spiky.
I remember you said you turned off SVM (good). Look for "Color Axis" and turn that to "monitor" to de-emphasize reds and also try turning sharpness all the way down (not up, DOWN).

>>1284302
Very nice! Composite to S-video is indeed a huge jump. Enjoy that for a nice long time before spending a penny on going to RGB, if ever. It will help you to appreciate small differences more.

Where do you draw the line for scanlines?

>>1284543
Well, that's a game you'd want to be playing in 480p anyway, so there's no need for scanlines. The only problem is finding a CRT that can properly display 480p without latency issues, of which I'm pretty sure only the HD-capable PVMs can do.

>>1284548
Photo is 640x480 with real scanlines (480 of them).

>>1284548
>The only problem is finding a CRT that can properly display 480p without latency issues, of which I'm pretty sure only the HD-capable PVMs can do.
what

>>1284564
Most CRTs will only do 480i.

>>1284569
>what are vga crt monitors?
it's just an either/or digital or analog

>>1284552
Are you sure that's in progressive mode? It's tough to judge by the photo but it looks interlaced. What's the model?

>>1284581
Yep, it's progressive. I'm not even sure interlaced is supported.

It's a Dell P1130.

>>1284569
That's a very different statement from
>The only problem is finding a CRT that can properly display 480p without latency issues, of which I'm pretty sure only the HD-capable PVMs can do.
In addition to PC monitors, CRT EDTVs and HDTVs have been around for a long time.

Someone in this thread mentioned Ikegami. So someone should play Donkey Kong on an Ikegami TV.

Because the arcade Donkey Kong was developed by Ikegami Tsushinki.

>>1284569

My CRT monitor doing 960p says otherwise.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170989924472
I live close enough to pick this up. Does this look like a good deal?

>>1285204
Too expensive, too old and in crap condition.

>>1285216
Crap condition I'll give you, and it's price its a bit high, but too old? You have to worry about wear more so than age, but 10/2003 isn't exactly old for a PVM.

>Screen is blurry and has a lot of halation
>Worry its dying
>Wipe the dust off
>It's completely clear again

Haha. I feel like an idiot.

>>1280840
please explain this picture. How

>>1284187
im fucking drooling i want

>>1285273
CaveStory playing on an aperture grille based PCCRT at 480p?

Alternatively, Nicalis port on Wii/CS core in retroarch

>>1284120
>>1284187

Is this a trick of PVM's? On my TV, I can't get the "underglow" to show up right, it looks as if every other pixel is visible.

My TV as a whole seems shot. It looks like it squishes Genesis video down, considering it runs at 320 wide as opposed to 256 wide. I won't be surprised if 256 pixel wide Genesis games actually are squished down by my TV.

>>1285294
>Is this a trick of PVM's?
Is what a trick?

>>1285325
>I can't get the "underglow" to show up right, it looks as if every other pixel is visible.

Maybe you should read, or has the CRT radiation ruined your eyesight?

how bad is my crt?

>>1285732
non-zoomed

>>1285736
I cannot for the life of me figure out Floor 5 in this game. I've been stuck on that shitty part where you cross the water moat with only one bridge powerup and you have to block the fucking medusa from all 4 sides.

I have a KV-AR21M30 and the service manual says that the RGB and component inputs are on the same pins...

This TV only has component inputs, not SCART so how would that work?

Would i be able to make a SCART breakout cable and plug RCA's into the component inputs and use the composite input for SYNC?

The manual does say what model the Jungle IC is so i can't look up the datasheet.

>>1285801
doesn't*

>>1285732
>>1285736
>how bad is my crt?
>DAEWOO
What kind of question is that???

>>1285801
>service manual says that the RGB and component inputs are on the same pins...
The schematic and naming is a mess, the YUV lines are marked as output (for me it looks like it) and goes to 80-78 (only a resistor, this seems to be an output) and 72-70 (a capacitor which is a requirement for an AC-coupled input).

>This TV only has component inputs, not SCART so how would that work?
I just looked into it and i can say that the TV internals are quite complicated compared to 90s TVs, i don't expect it to be easy.
You could mess with the service menu (look at page 14) to disable component input which might turn it to an RGB input (or the input becomes unavailable).
Page 26 shows the inputs configuration, pin 77 of the jungle IC is the scart blanking input.
According to Page 46 and 47, 5V is connected a voltage divider (R9048 and R9049 near the IC, value isn't mentioned) goes to pin 77.
You should inspect the blanking input and the voltage divider.

Here some relevant points in the service menu:
WHBL : 016 RGBB (RGB blanking? might be interesting)
OPTB : 002 OPB2 (Defines inputs, see page 26)
VM : 000 RGBD (sets the horizontal displacement for RGB input, this is useful)

btw IC is TDA12017H/NIAOBOAR and i couldn't find a datasheet.

>Would i be able to make a SCART breakout cable and plug RCA's into the component inputs and use the composite input for SYNC?
Maybe, after turning the component feature off.
But if that doesn't work then you could build your own SCART RGB to YUV transcoder, which is more complicated because that requires parts like decent OpAmps, bipolar transistors, bunch of specific resistors, a dual power suppy (+5V and -5V or something like that) and a sync stripper. (i successfully made one, so i know about this)
Or you could just buy one which might cost 2-3 times as much as a homemade one.

>>1285325
Look at the score. The numbers are orange/yellow while there's a red shadow under them. It's so clear and visible, where in mine, it's essentially blurred in.

>>1284076

No amount of tweaking I do to my TV, it will never come close to the ones on the PVMs. I think my TV squishes Genesis video down while the NES video looks correct.

>>1286135
>What kind of question is that???
well it does have rgb-scart and looks fine to me so I guess its not that bad right?

>>1286232
How could i guess that it has Scart.
You didn't said the model number or showed an RGB signal.
I never assume here that every TV has Scart.
Also it's not a so very good brand.

>>1286162
Composite vs. RGB is playing a huge part in what you're seeing, not just a difference in the displays.

>>1286162
It's using RGB inputs, and probably a larger screen, i.e. 20" or bigger. I'd imagine it's a later HR Trinitron tube so a consumer set well never match this kind of picture quality. There's a reason why they cost thousands new.

>>1285736
Not really much point in a widescreen CRT for retro gaming, and the flat CRTs are always going to have less than optimal geometry and convergence - especially cheaper sets like this.

It's hard to say much about picture quality as the NES outputs garbage CVBS anyway. Convergence doesn't look great judging by the blue bleeding to the right of the picture, and the sides of the picture don't look very straight at all.

>>1285204
>>1285216
2003 is fucking modern and new for a CRT PVM. It's an L5 so HD capable - these command a premium, and the PQ looks decent enough but the big let-down is the fucked up bezel. These monitors can take a beating, but unfortunately it's the front bezel that seems to take most of it so it may be difficult finding replacement bezels. It could probably be repaired to look slightly more presentable, if you cared.

If the glass is scratched then it'd certainly not be worth that much.

>>1286243
>>1286237
Heres same game on my wii's fce ultra gx emulator, via rgb-scart.

And only real reason Im using widescreen, flat crt is because I've got it for free years ago(I think it was around 2004 or so) and it still works fine. And model is daewoo dwf-28w.

>>1285801
My PVM has shared RGB and component inputs, but has external sync instead of composite.

>>1286135
This is what i get when plugging in a PS2 component cable into my audiophile PSX and using the RCA composite as sync.

>>1286416
>using the RCA composite as sync.
I think it somewhat syncs to Green, is Y of the cable plugged into set?
Or does any composite input influence the picture?

>>1286442
When the composite is plugged into AV1 the picture sort of wobbles.

When it is plugged into AV2 it gets really fuzzy.

>>1286448
Okay this is interesting, how about taking out Y which results into a almost black picture where only color difference is visible (you might need to increase brightness or contrast or saturation to see it).
Then look how it syncs to the other AV ports.

>>1286469
This is without the green cable plugged in and looks the same whether composite is in or not.

>>1286496
Looks a bit like an old TV with an active RGB SCART input, but without the AV input selected. Colours are crazy, but I guess that's expected.

>>1286496
Judging from the fact that the OSD looks completely still, it could be that the signal is sampled and upscaled to 480p (i guess).
I believe it will only sync to Y in component mode.

It's time to mess with the service menu.
Lets disable the component input, to see if it turns into a RGB input (or SCART).
Follow the instructions on page 14.
Search the value OPTB 002 OPB2, it should be 116. Lets change it to 84.
And plug Y back in and composite to AV1 (take note of the block schematic, component goes to RGB3 and AV1 goes to CV/Y3).

>>1286545
The chassis is called BX-1S and i found the european counterpart with scart, it's just named BX-1 (and uses the exact same jungle IC).
And now i'm sure my suggestion will work. You have to use the Audio input from AV1 and an RGB centering option (very useful) will may become available in the 'normal' menu.
See that on page 15:
http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/product/KV-21CL10U/manuals

I'm not sure about paying one hundred dollars...

http://skagit.craigslist.org/ele/4241810978.html

>>1277993
>32 inch
>246 lbs
My children will never know the pain of getting another man to help you move a TV from one room to another.

>>1286593
does the kv27fs13 have this option. I was screwing around with my ps2s component cables on the ps2 and made it go into rgb and the signal was out of sync but wasn't horrible, there was still a picture.

>>1279707
Solid cameras and best bang for the buck.

I've had a kx for a while and wishing I spent a little extra and bought kr. Too scared to photograph in rain, since kx isn't weatherproof.

Still have my 40 year old k1000 kicking around too. I wish they built the new cameras like the old ones. This plastic won't last 40 years.

>>1286598
It's an HDTV anyway, that's not for you.

>>1286593
>>1286545
Thanks, will try it now.

>>1286627
Your TV has the BA-5 chassis, and the jungle IC is CXA2154AS which has an RGB input that's already connected to the OSD but without datasheet an Scart RGB mod will be difficult (but not entirely impossible).

>>1286619
Nordmende Spectra Color is a even older TV which consists of one big color CRT and 3 smaller B/W CRTs. I think it's even heavier, also note that the 32inch Trinitron was never mass produced.
http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/collection/television/televisionreceivers/collectionitem.aspx?id=1985-1269

>>1286656
I made the changes you suggested and it is still the same.

The input name changed to VIDEO 4 but no option for RGB centering.

>>1286673
And now that channel has completely gone.

>>1286679
Have you restarted the TV?
It could be caused that it wants blanking voltage on pin 77 of the jungle IC.
Do you get normal Composite on AV1?

>>1286684
Yeah, i just went back in and changed it back to 116 and yeah, I get AV1.

I will go through each number and see if that works. seems that only even numbers are PAL.

Is better to use a "pure" scart cable over a composite to scart adapter?

>>1286690
I meant while it's on 84.
In the manual of an BX1 chassis on page 17 it says that the RGB mode OSD only shows up if an RGB signal is connected (detecting the blanking voltage).
Looks like it doesn't have any blanking voltage on pin 77 (they probably left out the resistors R9048 and R9049), which might be the reason why VIDEO 4 disappeared. It happened after switching, right?

>>1286704
Considering there's obviously no RGB in a composite to SCART adapter and the whole point of using SCART is to get RGB from it, why don't you tell me?

>>1286704
scart adapter is just adapter, with it you'll just get composite, not rgb-scart, and difference is noticeable, unless you buy shitty thrid-party cable that isnt wired correcly

>>1286706
Yeah composite was still there. and it disappeared right after switching.

I think you are right about the blanking voltage, It's like it isnt detecting the RGB signal.

>>1286723
Also the RGBB menu option just turns the screen completely black and makes the OSD disappear.

>>1286706
I wonder if i wired a DC jack to pin 77 and found a 5v power adapter, if that would switch it to RGB mode?

I'm new to the whole RGB thing, but I'm not new to /vr/.

I was wondering if there are any good RGB adapters that work (I don't wanna fuck around with the insides of my systems).

>>1286727
Nope, a simple voltage divider will help (just as the schematic suggested it).
You could use 2 of the same value on 5V (within the TV) to get 2.5V, i would recommend values between 1Kohm to 47Kohm (anything lower might trigger the protection circuits).
I think that it wouldn't affect anything if you set the value back to the original.

>>1286724
I might thought that it could force RGB input.

>>1286735
So i should just check if those resistors are there and add them if they are missing?

>>1286738
Exactly like this, they are SMD and in the service manual on page 54 in square 7D.

>>1286746
I can't seem to find them, I think we are looking at different service manuals.

>>1286758
That stuff is tiny, you know.

>>1286731
For starters, there's a limit to what you can do with most systems without modifying them. For example, you can't take the composite video from a NES and do any magic that will make it look like RGB,

>>1286765
Thanks.

I will have to keep this thread bookmarked as i won't be able to get around to modding the TV until after christmas.

Found this great little trinitron, kv-13m10. Only has composite but, it looks great for composite.

Looking at a data sheet I see it as a cxa1465as. I'm definitely considering adding svideo since people seem to have had some luck with it here. It also has a-rgb inputs, but I'm not sure if that's going to be as easy due to possible osd interference. Any advice?

>>1286735
Most retro systems support RGB over SCART, unmodified. Not NES, SNES MINI or N64 though.

>>1286814
Composite usually looks pretty good on smaller TV's.

The bigger the TV the worse the picture looks, which is why is have a 14" PVM as well as a 20"

Is there such a thing as a PVM with a speaker built in?

>>1286923
Yes, mine has one mono speaker and RCA input for it.

>>1286824
>The bigger the TV the worse the picture looks

dam nit man ;_;
I have a 32in Sony Trini CRT. It's pretty huge.
But I think I may want a smaller TV fr dat better picture.

>>1286941
Huh, alright

>>1286240
>>1286243

Oh, for a minute I thought something was wrong with my TV. I wish there was a picture of what the games should look like on a stock Trinitron with stock hardware, all I ever see and try to compare to are RGB inputs to PVMs.

>>1286946
see
>>1279215
Viewing distance directly affects ideal display size. Nobody buys a 13" to watch from 15' away and nobody is supposed to sit 5' from a 36".

>>1286949
RGB or YUV component on a consumer-grade Trinitron will still look amazing, it's not as good as say a nicer PVM or a BVM but it's plenty good for most.

>>1287017
I have four consoles hooked up to my Trini, they are NES, Genesis, Saturn, and PS3. Which is the best input for each? I know you can RGB mod them, but would you say that the price is worth it?

>>1287021
The Genesis and Saturn do RGB so all you need is the RGB SCART to YUV transcoder. The PS3 does component natively, although I wouldn't play a PS3 on a SD CRT in the first place. Just buy some RGB cables for them on ebay from retrogameaccessories.

The NES has a new mod that can be done to it for around $140 with a FPGA style thing, I plan on doing it but really it depends on how much you really do care.

All of them will look leaps and bounds better than composite, and even a quite a bit better than S-Video.

>>1287030
This is my experience, but ">consoles" look much better on a CRT than they do on a flat screen. It seems like the CRT can hide their texture and polygon issues a little better.

About the RGB SCART to YUV transcoder and stuff, how much is that going to run me? Looks like it'll be a small fortune to get the best experience, and even with a Trinitron, I won't get the best image possible, so I should just stick with what I can get.

>>1287043
How can you be serious enough to spend money on the stuff and not really be bothered to know what you're talking about?

My CRT-TV IS a flatscreen. The reason it looks better than an LCD is because the refresh rate and display resolution are what they are supposed to be. Its not "hiding" the texture and polygon quality, its displaying them at the proper settings instead of blowing them up to 720p.

>>1287043
Right now its going for just under fifty dollars on ebay, just search it up and you'll find it. The cables for the systems are around 13-20 dollars depending on what you get. Well worth it since they've made very well. I have one for my Genesis and my SNES/SFC and they have great build quality.

One note about that converter, it does not have audio for some god awful reason. So, if you have basic soldering skills you can jack some audio from the SCART pins and just wire up some RCA jacks. Otherwise you're going to have to buy a ~9 dollar pass through thing that I think the same people who sell the transcoder have.

>>1287052
When I said flat screen, I meant the newer TVs that are as thick as an eraser but go up to 50" in size. I don't actually mean -anything- with a flat screen, just the new kind of TVs.

>>1287021
sans mods:

>NES
composite

>Genesis
RGB (+ transcoder) > composite

>Saturn
RGB (+ transcoder) > S-video > composite

>PS3
HDTV: HDMI > component
SDTV: component = RGB (+ transcoder) > S-video > composite

>>1287127
For the Chad Daddy Triple, I'm using a CRT, mainly because all of the TVs in our house are Tubes and we aren't going to get anything new unless we find it on the side of the road. We won't even get a projection TV, so please consider that.

>>1287134
>all of the TVs in our house are Tubes and we aren't going to get anything new unless we find it on the side of the road
Me too, and that's fine. But do you have any CRT HDTVs or even a PC monitor that has HDMI or DVI inputs and can do 1080p, 1080i, or 720p (without scaling, if it's an LCD)? Because if so, you'll squeeze a lot more detail out of that Tripple than on an SDTV, even a CRT.

>>1287174
Uhhh, I have a Trinitron in my room, there's a TV that's more wood casing than screen in the living room, and my mother's room has a small black TV, so no. I don't care about detail in newer consoles (you know, shit like drakeface), and I really don't use my PS3 that often other than to "Follow the damn train".

>>1287174
HD CRTs are amazing for 480p+ stuff. I have one but its in storage. I'd love to use it again but its just so damn big

>>1287187
How much did you pay for that PS3?

>>1287209
Funnily enough, a lot. I'm the stingiest person you'll know, but I dropped a good sum for that, just to play San Andreas in anticipation for GTAV. GTAV looks really fucking good on a CRT, but the videos I see on YouTube look fucking atrocious.

>>1287127
>SDTV: component = RGB (+ transcoder) > S-video > composite
Are TV's with component even SDTV's?

>>1287226
Component doesn't mean HD. The majority of SDTVs from the mid-2000s have component inputs.

>>1287134
>>1287187
You know, if you have a "KV-24FS100" and not a "KV-24S100" like you mentioned before, then actually that's quite a nice TV for /vr/. You have one set of component inputs and can go all the way up to using RGB with a transcoder.

>>1287226
Sure. I have a 20" CRT SDTV (can't do 480p or higher) with component input.

>>1287237
That's the number, I dunno how I got the wrong model. But my screen is 27", or so I think. But it's no PVM I suppose, right?

>>1287242
No, not PVM-class, but pretty good for a regular TV. The tube and inputs are nice; its biggest problem is really just having basic menus to adjust the picture easily.

>>1287237
Is a KV-24FV300 good?

>>1287319
It's more or less the same TV as the FS100 but with better speakers and sound (by the specs at least). So yeah.

Here's my PS2 playing breath of Fire 3 on my PVM in RGB. Looks really nice, but I get the feeling PS1 games really aren't as good looking as Saturn games. I hear the Saturn is a 2D machine that happens to do 3D, and the Playstation is a 3D system that happens to do 2D, so maybe that's why the saturn looks a bit sharper. Then again, maybe it's my cord. I dunno.

How does this look?

>>1287350
>the Saturn is a 2D machine that happens to do 3D, and the Playstation is a 3D system that happens to do 2D
While that's more or less true, it wouldn't be the reason your Saturn's RGB output looks nicer than your PS/PS2.

>>1287359

I don't know what to say then. It looks GREAT, but maybe not as sharp as it could be. I'm using a BNC to Euro scart converter with a Euro scart cable, but I can't remember where I ordered it from. If I get another one in the future, do you know where the best place to buy one would be?

>>1287361

There was an eBay seller by the name of something like "retro game cables" I bought some from a year ago, but I can't find them on eBay anymore.

>>1287365
>"retro game cables"
Close, it's "retro-gaming-cables" and they're still around.

>>1287370

Doesn't look like they carry PS2 cables.

>>1286704

The pure scart cable carry RGB.

>>1287251
Yeah, I only get to choose from 5 or so picture settings, one brightness, one color, one hue, one "picture" (which I assume is contrast), and one sharpness. I can't get my pixels pronounced without darkening the screen, and I can't get the screen bright enough without the pixels seemingly blending in. Not to mention it doesn't have much in the image orientation settings, only the angle. My image appears to be curving in from the sides, so if I could curve them back out, that'd be fine.

>>1287713
I may have found the service menu steps for your TV:
https://web.archive.org/web/20041205235135/http://www.users.muohio.edu/corsilcj/wegacalibration.htm

*Ignore* his calibration settings. Not only did your TV probably come off the factory line completely different from his, but it's seen over a decade of use since then and your ideal settings have almost definitely changed in that time. (Never just copy someone else's settings.) He does have some settings to de-emphasize reds.

That said, standard instructions apply: write down or take pictures of all default settings before changing anything, make very small changes at a time and test them individually instead of making a lot of big changes at once, and put the settings back to default if you ever sell/donate/give away the TV (you can provide your custom settings to the new owner if they really want them). I personally HATE not having the default settings at my disposal for reference when I pick up a used TV; I want to know how it came out of the factory.

Also, be aware that your TV may be different than a standard FS100:
http://www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?forum=25&topic=15090

>>1286814
First the CXA1465AS has 2 RGB inputs, one is digital and used for OSD and the other is analogue (pins 16-18) and are connected to ground via a single 10 Kohm resistor (R325).
The analogue RGB blanking input 'YS' (pin 15) is connected via an inductor (L001) to the OSD switching output.
The digital RGB blanking input 'OSD BLK' (pin 9) is connected to ground.
That does not make much sense according to the block diagram, how does the analogue blanking enable the digital input?
Maybe Sony used some sort of undocumented quirk of their own IC or it was on accident, but sure it is confusing.
The CXA1465AS also has an chroma trap built-in for removing the color subcarrier of the composite to get an luma signal, this option is controlled via I2C.
The chroma input is connected via 470 ohms (R360) to the unamplified composite and the luma/composite input is connected to an amplifier (from 1Vpp to 2Vpp, i guess because of the datasheet).
I think that RGB modding it isn't easy and straightforward, it will require some hacking and testing. For S-Video you need to disable the chroma trap, the S-Video signal becomes unsharp like composite when it's enabled.
You might play around with the Model ID settings in the service menu, they might enable hidden features like an S-Video channel or an Scart RGB mode (CXA1465 has an separate contrast control for RGB and composite).

>>1286949
> I wish there was a picture of what the games should look like on a stock Trinitron with stock hardware, all I ever see and try to compare to are RGB inputs to PVMs.

Emulator + RGB: >>1284272
Famicom + Composite: >>1284349

Don't pay attention to color difference, I didn't bother adjusting.

Doing some work on my Trini

>>1288203
The Famicom is still on a PVM, not a standard TV.

Any good test pattern to adjust the aspect ratio?

>>1288436
What the hell is that, the service menu?

>>1288997
Yes.


I really need to get my 64 modded at some point; and a new power brick for it.

>>1277231
Anyone here know if 14" is a large enough screen to be playing lightgun games on?

I was thinking of picking up an RGB monitor and the SCART stuff and getting Lethal Enforcers on Genesis or burning an ISO of Snatcher for Sega CD.

>>1289029
14" should be fine. Well, as fine as the Justifier can be, anyway.

>>1289029

Don't worry, 14" is large enough.

>>1289029
I like bigger screens for light gun games just because you get to stand back farther and things are slightly more realistically sized. But yeah, it should work.

>>1289014
Holy shit, that looks well. Is there an option to adjust the curve of the screen itself? Because on my TV, the edges seem to curve inwards, and the only image altering setting is the angle.

>>1289097
I'm not that anon; I was only confirming that it was the service menu.

>Is there an option to adjust the curve of the screen itself? Because on my TV, the edges seem to curve inwards, and the only image altering setting is the angle.
Pincushion settings.

Pamp, Upin, and Lpin are what adjusted that on my FD Trinitron.

In other news, this game had me depressed there for a few; I thought my 16 year old save got deleted.

>>1289029
I played Snatcher recently on a 13". Was fine for Justifier, which is the best lightgun. I think that other anon might have been thinking menacer.

I'm picking up a TV tomorrow. I tried to delete the thread for it, but it won't let me.
>>1290310
What can I expect? The seller was wanting $35 but I talked the seller down to $15. I don't know model # or anything like that. This is the only pic of the tv that was put up. I saw 'Trinitron' and remembered how well liked they are.

Does anyone have any good sources for Sony Trinitron service manuals?

I really want to find one for my TV. I forgot the model name though. I posted a week or two ago. Going to have to look at the TV again.

I think I prefer the look of Cave Story at 320x240.

>>1290820
>I think I prefer the look of Cave Story at 320x240.

Post more CRT cave story images. You're giving me a boner.

>>1290816
elektrotanya.com and eserviceinfo.com

>>1290845
Alright, I'll check it out

I remember my Trinitron is from 1990 and the screen is too dark and there's a buzz coming out the speaker.

What is it about CRT's that attracts autism?

http://www.youtube.com/user/SebisGameReviews/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheCRTman/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/Fairlane500skyliner/videos

>>1291067
What is it about 4chan that attracts idiots?

Anyway, playing some Star Parioda on the PCE CD. I need some SCART cables for the Wii on my Profeel so I can play it on there instead of my FD Trini, even though it looks great on it too.

>>1290738
Depends on the cables you have for your systems. If you're going to be using composite only, there are examples of a newer Trinitron model (c.2003) in this thread. You should be able to find the model # and date of manufacture on the back if it's a model made for sale in the U.S.

Obviously, make sure you're okay with its condition first. I'm not sure something could take such a beating on the bezel but have no damage to the screen, but it's possible I guess.

If you can bring a system to test, even better. Even if not, at the very least you should be allowed to turn it on and check the picture, sound, and remote for a little bit. If the seller won't let you do that, no deal.

Frankly, if you don't mind saying, where are you? You can give a general area or state, I just want to know what kind of place doesn't have many Trinitrons to go around. Somebody here might even be able to provide a local alternative.

>>1290816
I honestly just Google model numbers and have had great luck with most major Japanese and U.S. brands.

I have fapped to this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBqm4ThJxw

>>1291096
I just did.

>day wall of PVMs

>>1284306
>>1284307
pirate cart of SMB1?

>>1291086
North East Missouri. I've looked on Craigslist and the ones I saw were mostly flat screen. The tube Trinitrons are all about an hour and a half to 2 hours away.

>>1291096
>PVM refurbishment
cool story bro

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf-rNlqeWw4
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKvVE2jv5UQ

>>1291667
there are bootlegs(aka pirate, unlicensed etc) of about anything related to nes, that one is smb1 with japanese smb2 graphics.

I have one too on 64-in1 multi-cart and its neat, but rans horribly slow on my PAL nes compared to actual PAL-version of smb1.

>>1291791
Flat-glass Trinitrons are fine, you just have to make sure they aren't HDTVs.

>>1280840
>>1290820

Speaking of Cave Story, I always wondered. I know it's not supposed to reflect any particular console in it's looks, but which console (or computer rather) would this potentially work for? SNES and Genesis can probably be scratched out, what about something like the PC-98 or other Japanese home computers like the 68,000X or whatever?

>>1291930
I'd say Ps1, Saturn

>>1291959
I see that it uses transparency a lot, something that the Saturn didn't seem to do very well. In either case, thanks.

>>1291980
I don't remember any transparency in Cave Story.

>>1292002
I think the rapid fire gattling gun thing does. The thing that rapidly shoots long blue bullets. If there truly is no transparency, then this could be bumped down to the Sega Genesis; the SNES couldn't handle anything like this.

>>1292006
Genesis couldn't handle it either. Some locations have huge numbers of active sprites.

Genesis could probably handle a version that played similarly but with cut down graphics.

>>1292040
Hmm, I see.

Can any kind anons point me to a ps2/ps1 cable for my 20M4U PVM? USA here.

>>1290856
>>1290845
That first one looks like it's in Spanish

>>1292040
I think we're talking about the 320x240 edition seen here
>>1290820

I think Genesis could do it. I believe in blast processing.

I also think it looks rad as hell in 320x240

>>1292732
20M4MDU? It's the same one I have. Just get yourself component cables for PS2 and put the PVM into component mode.

protip: You can use PS2 component cables to feed RGB from a PSX to that PVM (and probably others) as long as the cable also has a composite to use for sync

I AV modded my Atari 7800 and it looked like ass on my LCD.

I went to my aunts house and she had an old Sony TV with a VCR built into it.

looks much better.

>>1292732
To get RGB from it, I've used this cable from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IAPGIS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Make sure you plug in Red Green Blue and Yellow plugs. I get perfect picture quality despite it being a mangled mutant av cable.

You'll probably need BNC to RCA adapters as well:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=104&cp_id=10430&cs_id=1043002&p_id=4121&seq=1&format=2

You'll need at least 4.

>>1288116
Thank you for the advice.

Looking at other models with the same chassis, I can't find any with SCART or S-Video (including larger models of the same line).

Would it be unwise to just slap 75ohms onto each input and see what happens?

>this exists

>>1277231
I saw this image and I decided to see if I could track down this game on eBay. Apparently the Japanese version is much cheaper, but there was an American version disk only. I managed to put a max bid of $50, and it was ending after 6 hours. So I worked, came back home, went to check it, and find out I was outbid by a single fucking dollar last second.

I could really use that image of Fred Flintstone looking angry while lying in his bed.

>>1292908
If you don't watch shit on E-bay it gets sniped man

Sorry, that's how it works

>>1292913
I couldn't, I was working. It just happened to conveniently end when I was done with work, and tonight (and yesterday) was an odd shift as they made me work to 9:30 as opposed to the usual 9. If I got out at 9, I would probably have won it.

>>1292917
That's how the games crumble

You should get a smart phone with an E-bay app

>>1292920
Hmm, I wonder how long will it be until another Saturn Bomberman shows up, disk only.

>>1292875
Any recommended items? I see a lot of information about what to get/not get and it seems every cable online is just cheap low quality stuff.

>>1292890
Looks suspect, but I'll probably give that one a shot, thanks.

>>1292868
I think the soundtrack would work best with the Genesis audio regardless. Anything newer, you could just go the easy way and use redbook audio of the game's music.

Plus, you could add a code in the game that, when the remastered CD is present in the Sega CD, it plays the the remastered songs instead. That'd be brilliant.

>>1293012
Don't let the haters crush your dreams. There DOES seem to be a problem with composite wired SVideo cables (mine work fine, despite being multi-format but I bought used from my local retro store) but improperly wired component cables wouldn't work at all. Just get ones that have component as well as composite (like the other anon said, RGB and Y cables)

Basically what that dude said is probably pretty legit. You actually can use component format on your 20m2mdu you just have to switch the mode for that input in the menu.

However you CAN get RGBS out of an original PSX using the component cables + composite for sync - assuming your monitor can handle composite sync but 20m2mdus can.

Eventually though you're going to want to either buy or make a SCART adapter for your monitor.

>>1293032
>a code in the game that, when the remastered CD is present in the Sega CD, it plays the the remastered songs instead
Like Pier Solar? Nah, I'd just make the port for Sega CD from the beginning to allow the greatest number of people to enjoy it for free... of course I couldn't even begin to imagine what a nightmare it would be to port cave story to Sega CD.

>>1293032
>FM Synth adaptations of CS's soundtrack
I could dig it.

>>1293059
Well, as with all ports, the first that needs to be done is the planning. Color wise, Cave Story is slightly more colorful than an NES game, but less vibrant than an SNES game, so we shouldn't worry much about color use. In either case, you still need to know 68000 Assembly, Sega CD just has the benefit of huge data storage and a faster CPU.

A real challenge would be porting it to the NES. It'd be doable, but a lot of workarounds have to be made.

>>1293059
>I'd just make the port for Sega CD from the beginning to allow the greatest number of people to enjoy it for free

Then how will you save game progress?

>>1293179
...have you never played a Sega CD game?

>>1290836
>>1291930
>>1292868
Once I get a better camera I'll take a lot more photos of my PVM and Trinitron PC monitor (visible scanlines at 640x480 and 800x600).

I want to take some nice comparison shots of Cave Story running at 320x240 and 640x480 as I'm still undecided to which I prefer.

>>1293048
>Eventually though you're going to want to either buy or make a SCART adapter for your monitor.
Only if you want to go beyond one-offs for systems that don't do component.

Any info about that one?
15" pretty much brand new, RCA, S-Video, comes with user manual for around $60

>>1293606

>RF, Composite and S-Video only

60 bucks for this piece of hardware is a bit overpriced anon.

>>1293610
I see, thanks for your advice

>>1292901
>Would it be unwise to just slap 75ohms onto each input and see what happens?
Yes, i think that you might not able to set the contrast of the RGB signal but it could be possible that the contrast setting affects both registers.
However, cut the trace of pin 15 an wire it to 1-3V (make an voltage divider). Cut the ground connection of pin 9 and wire it to pin 49 of the microcontroller (IC101, M37265M4). Now if you would turn it on, the screen should be black but synced to composite but the OSD should look normally.
If this is the case, then the TV should be able to accept RGB over Scart. Remove R325 and cut the shortcuts of pins 16-18, connect a 100nF capacitor (these are small) to each pin. Now wire the capacitors to the RGB pins of an Scart connector and remove the voltage divider and wire it to the blanking input, connect composite and audio of Scart to the RCA jacks.

>>1293606
>>1293610
Yeah I'd barely go $15 personally.

>>1293684
thanks for saving my wallet

>>1293180
No, I have not.

Following a previous posters fabulous shots of this monitor(Sony KX-14CP1) I bought one myself about 20 days ago. It's taken this long to get it in my room but it's fabulous. I can't fault it at all.
Since I can't be bothered to find the camera shitty phone pic but Trinitrons are just on another level.

The only downside is this is the N64 resident evil 2 and whilst on my terribly LCD it didn't look that bad its flaws are on full show here.

>>1292924
>>1292920
>>1292917
>>1292913
>>1292908


The Saturn Bomberman that I bid on has come back to me for a second chance offer for $50. At least I got it, let's hope it works.

>>1292913
Jesus god, do they still allow sniping on Ebay?

>>1294654
Mostly because their community would throw a big hissy fit if they banned it.

>>1294658
Boo hoo. They can go to some other big-name auction site. OH WAIT, eBay is synonymous with online auction.

>>1289113
No save file with 120 stars? Pleb

>>1294720
I ended up doing that on a friend's copy and never got around to doing it on my own.

Should probably get around to doing that one of these days.

>>1294682
It makes no sense for them to not want a ban. Sniping screws over sellers and just shows you're too much of a pussy to put up a competitive bid.

>>1294731
What's even funnier is how Ebay users are complete scumbags about it when it's not how auctions actually work.

so I took a pretty high res picture of my shadow mask (cropped quite a bit here), just to get an idea of how the pixels line up with the physical display.
Anyone else care to share close-ups of their TV?

>>1294731
>>1294817
You're an idiot if you don't snipe. I've never bid on eBay before the last minute. If you're good at sniping you've effectively turned the auction into a Vickrey auction, which is one of many ways "auctions actually work".

>>1294731
>competitive bid
Oh, you're one of those people with more money than sense and a small penis so you overcompensate by throwing money around and wasting it rather than being frugal and having more to spend on other things. I pity you.

>>1294456

Well done anon. There are almost no KX-14CP1 near where I live and I'm a No-car pleb so I can't go and see the sellers.
Have a good time with your monitor anon.

>>1294937
sure.

Wii+rgb-scart

>>1294937
I'd love to, but my shitty camera's focus just plain disappears when I get close enough to do that.

Hey /crtg/ got a old Micromaxx CRT around but can't find a remote for it, there any way to switch to AV without buying a universal remote?

If no, which remote should I get me?

>>1295363
Scart? Stick an RGB source in and it'll switch automatically.

If that's not an option what kind of CRT is it? Model No. and a picture?

posted this a long time ago, basicly it's a snes connected with a weird multi-cable using the s-video input (it's a cheap cable so it's just composite fed into the s-video port)

off a 27 inch 2004 sony trinitron.

picture taken with a old as hell camera.

>>1295363
Hve you tired all buttons on front of CRT? There might be button for switch for inputs/channels, or at last mine has

>>1295364

It's a Micromaxx MM5502VTS, can't give you a picture right now, also all it has is a SCART and antenna connection.

>>1295369

Yeah, though they all are for either auto/fine/tuning, brightness, volume and the typical other stuff.

The channels just loop from 1 to 64 btw

>>1295385
Sony TVs always have an AV input button on the front. But other TVs sometimes don't, looks like you have get an remote in this case.

>>1295385

There's also a button labeled 'PP'

Any idea what it does?

>>1295385
My girlfriend has a similar looking black 90s CRT with fuck all in the way of buttons. Either pipe some RGB into it or buy a universal remote(expect to pay at least £8 or local currency equivolent for one that'll actually work well)

>>1295390
teletext or av mode maybe
I had something like that in one of my tv's but I dont remember really

>>1295418
>>1295392

Still had a old Philips remote around (pic related) which actually worked with that thing.

Remember that on the old Philips the AV was 0, though the micromaxx only gives me 'cleared' when I try it. Teletext goes batshit insane when you press

Well guess it's either a new CRT or remote then

Any recommendations for CRT's? Would prefer a small (19-21) flat CRT anyway, don't like the curved picture

>>1295423
>>1295418 here
Yes, this is the remote I've seen PP
I bought it as replacement remote for my Philips TV (That popular model around here with handle). Funny thing is, that this remote is recommended with Philips tv (that Csomething code) but not all buttons work correctly.
I don't have this tv in my flat right now, so I can't tell you what PP does, sorry.
>Any recommendations for CRT's? Would prefer a small (19-21) flat CRT anyway, don't like the curved picture
Sorry dude, I never had any luck with tv's but if you're looking for CRT monitor, I highly recommend Dell P1130 monitor (Trinitron tube)

Ford Racing for Playstation on some kind of Sanyo (27"?)

I bought the Playstation and hooked it up for my girlfriend's deaf, autistic brother. Merry Christmas.

>>1296313
Viewsonic UltraBrite A90f+ 19" CRT

>>1296293
that's p cool of you anon

>>1296324
He's 33 years old, somewhat retarded, and spends all day playing old vidya. When I was helping set up his new TV I noticed he had a SNES cartridge of Donkey Kong Country that he had paid $10 for. Feels bad, man.

>>1295158
nice!
here's a close up of a white surface on my viewsonic VGA CRT

>>1296313
what game is that

>>1296341
I have a different Viewsonic. Here's a shot with a high shutter speed that shows a partial refresh of white, red, green and blue. Neat how the individual phosphor dots are lined up.

>>1296362
Ultima 6 I believe, DOS version.

>>1296362
Ultima VI: The False Prophet
DOS, 1990
Western RPG master race

I can get a Kv-32xbr450 for free and wanted to know if there is any downside to using a Hi-Scan Trinitron besides loss of light-gun use?

>>1296481
That thing is pretty much useless for anything thats not progressive scan on the Gamecube, PS2, or Wii. It's shit for retro 240p gaming since it upscales it and it's shit for HD content because it's a 4:3 model.

>>1296518
>and it's shit for HD content because it's a 4:3 model
Nah, you only get black bars, same as when viewing 4:3 content on a 16:9 TV except horizontal instead of vertical.

I love love love love love 4:3 CRT HDTVs for non-interactive SD content like 4:3 DVDs, old TV shows, etc.

>>1296634
I know how it works, I've owned a 4:3 HDCRT and when actually viewing HD content that's 16:9 it makes you want more and it's just not worth it. They're too big and only have one basic use and that's 480p

>>1296518
>It's shit for retro 240p gaming since it upscales it and it's shit for HD content because it's a 4:3 model.

Sounds good for shmups, at least 360 ones
anyway
Is there some list of CRT monitors with SCART?
>inb4 ony that commodore/amiga ones

>>1296705

Some Euro PVMs have SCART input, most of the Yuro TVs, maybe the Atari ones.