/vr/ - Retro Games

Have you tried another emulator? ZSNES seems to have a lot of problems with a lot of things. snes9x or higan always seems to work better with all things including sound than ZSNES.

If you just want to keep ZSNES for whatever reason, I have no idea how you'd go about fixing it, sorry.

in b4 a bunch of unhelpful "use another emulator" shitheads

Have you tried running it in compatibility mode for XP? I netplay with this one guy who uses 64-bit Windows 7 and I think I remember running it in compatibility mode fixed some sort of problem he was having.

>>1288702
Well the thing is that pretty much any problem with ZSNES seems to be nonexistent with other emulators. It's honestly a situation that is "do you want to use something that works or not?"

But if you REALLY want to keep using ZSNES, best of luck to you, there might be some magic that makes it work as you want it.

>>1288703
It works on snes9x but the sound is choppy as hell. Guess Its better than nothing.

Never had that problem with ZSNES myself, and using Windows 7 as well.

In general with Windows 7, most applications will use a default sound device. However, if this device changes, they may not automatically adjust.

So first a simple question: do you switch your video/sound device to your TV before launching ZSNES?

>>1288714
well it does by itself, like I said: the sound works perfect when znes isnt fullscreen, but once it is all the sound go back to my laptop

Usually, what I have to do is right click on the sound icon -> Playback Devices.
Then, disable your laptops speakers and it should default to the sound system, maybe.
Right click anywhere else in that box and make sure "Show Disabled Devices" is checked so you can undo this at some point.

But really, use a different emulator. ZSNES is really outdated. I'd recommend Mednafen

>>1288708
everyone by now knows that snes9x's sound emulation is buggy. nobody is forcing you to use snes9x, like nobody forces you to use a crappy old buggy znes.

>>1288702
>in b4 a bunch of unhelpful "use another emulator" shitheads

>>1288681
can't tell if troll or just retarded

>>1288708

1. What's your CPU. Snes9x requires a better CPU in later versions.
2. What version are you using? Not the one from the "Snes9x" site right? That site hasn't been updated in years.

http://www.emucr.com/2013/06/snes9x-git-20130616.html


That's a more recent build.

4. Have you tried RetroArch with Snes9x core?
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/91sakv0qdyxjx9f/cGWBW1B_9N/RetroArch-Win64-2013-12-18.zip

>>1288681

>zsnes

Don't know what you guys are complaining about. Zsnes is the king of snes emulators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq7_6R_cvgw

>>1288909
Does snes9x "git" fix some of the sound crackling issues? I've been trying snes9x 1.53 and the 64 bit version crackles a fair bit, even after adjusting the buffer rate and such. The 32 bit version is a bit better but still does it. I'm honestly tempted to go back to 1.43

>>1289102

Sound crackling is likely CPU being maxed out. Which is why I asked what your CPU is. is it some netbook or something really old?

You can also try it in RA and see if the issue is the same.

>>1289125
I'm not OP, m80. But while we're here, i5 3570 (no overclocks, so 3.4GHz). Also I've got a Creative Sound Blaser Z soundcard.

I don't know why people critisize ZSNES when the interfaces of other emulators are absolute shit in comparison. Why do people spend years programming better emulators when their shit interface just makes me go back to ZSNES? Because you are a bunch of autistic fucks with no interest in usability.

>>1289136

>>1289136

>>1289136
Stay pleb.

>>1289136

Do people just stare at the emulator's GUI all day instead of playing games?

>>1290193
With ZSNES they have no choice but do that.

Soooo does anyone have the answer or will you keep pushing your opinons on people who comes by like you always do

>>1289136

I'm just looking at this post and frowning. I share board space with such imbeciles.

Squarepusher pls.

it is always funny to see people who don't understand that a 'meal' consists of the atmosphere, the company, the mindset, the health, and many other things, not just the meat on the plate

I would always choose an elegant, accessible emulator with flaws, like ZSNES, over some engineering catastrophe like MAME

to each their own, but yes...the insecure are militant in their preferences

>>1290216
If the meat is rotten or non-existent then the rest is irrelevant.

>>1290216

Sorry but the meat on the plate matters far more than anything else.

I bet you place graphics and story over gameplay as well.

>>1290237
Would you play a game without any sound or graphics?

>>1290241

Yes, text-based games can be awesome.

>>1290245
Text are graphics.

>>1290216
I take it you use IE6 too.

I've had this problem before. A little annoying but this should work:

1.Control Panel
2.Hardware and Sound
3.Sound
4.Select your TV on the list
5.Click "set default"

Just change it back to your speakers when you're done playing.

>>1290216
What the fuck does MAME have to do with using a more effective SNES emulator?

>>1288681
>zsnes

>not using ZSNES

It's still the best around and runs everything fine.
Why would you switch to something more inconvenient?

fags will never learn

if you know a bit of computers or want super accurate emulation for reasons, then you will probably use 9x or Arch

If you can't into PC, or are too lazy to do some configuration every now and then, you will find it easy to use Znes

Suit yourself and stop your whines

>>1290250
Do you consider writing on a piece of paper graphics?

>>1290216
*tips fedora*

>>1290349
What if i know a lot about computers but still can't see a valid reason to sacrifice convenience for super accurate emulation?

>>1290356
define convenience

>>1290360
>better UI
>get into games faster
>better savestate handling

>>1290193

We play games and then occasionally pause them to use the GUI to manage save states, change game or change simple settings. This is usually the point I go back to ZSNES because I realize that the other emulator was designed by some autistic fucktard who can't into basic design.

>>1290370
RetroArch
>accurate emulation tries to recreate the original experience as best as possible by the hardware
that means savestates , and other stuff are second objectives but still can be done

Znes
>convenient emulation tries to give the user the best tool assistance to manage their games, this leaves graphics and audio processing in second place and with no options to improve

these are two separate aproaches,

but only one is capable of doing what the other does even if it takes it more effort,the most complete solution is the first one

now like someone said before , if it seems to you that spending 2 minutes doing minor config before playing a game is too much of a burden then you fall into a different kind of gamer , a casual gamer, you do not care about the quality of the game itself

and sacrificing convenience for accuracy is wrong, its more like they haven't got the first done at all, while znes is pretty much a finished project

>>1290408
ZSNES is finished alright. It's completely worthless on non-x86 compatibles.

>>1290408
>casual gamer

Yeah i know you >muh accuracy plebs try to think of yourself as something better. It's so easy if you can just degrade the other side to make yourself feel right, right?
The truth is that you screw your own experience for something that only matters in your mind.

Show me proof that can convince me that the actual gaming experience is worse in ZSNES and i will reconsider. Like something you can actually notice during gameplay.

>>1290415
ZSNES is worthless on any architecture.

>>1290430
Nah it had its time, and is still there for any old PCs and the original XBOX. And for playing badly coded hacks if you care about that.

>>1290420
>plebs
That's the pot calling the kettle black. Go read the emulation wiki. Off the top of my head you've got bad sound, no transparencies in KDL3 (does press 8 exist in 1.42).

>>1290447
>does press 8 exist in 1.42
Yes it does, stop parroting this misinformed bullshit already. You can run DL3 transparencies correctly in a multitude of ZSNES versions. In fact in 1.42 it displays the transparencies correctly no matter which graphics engine you choose.

>>1290207
Did you try this or this?
>>1288718
>>1290298

Really though, ZSNES is crap.
Why should I get something new and better rather than keep my decrepit, faithful one that hasn't had support in years?

>>1290420
>Show me proof that can convince me that the actual gaming experience is worse in ZSNES and i will reconsider. Like something you can actually notice during gameplay.

>>1289065

>>1290447
>Go read the emulation wiki.
Isn't that edited and watched very closely by autistic fucks like you that care about accuracy more than a setup that's coherent and easy to use?

More to the point, isn't a coherent UI part of a good emulator?

>>1289065
I remember when I never updated any software I had too.

>>1290447
>>1290562
man, that transparency thing reminds me of when I used to use ZSNES DOS in 8bit gfx modes on the school Pentium 100 - run full speed, though it was missing transparencies.

Luckily, the DBZ games seldom used them, and since my home computer was a AMD K6-2 (completely unsuitable for emulation due to shitty FPU), it was a blast seeing them run at 60fps.

sorry I didn't come back to this thread sooner, its all fanatics and name calling

to the guy who asked me if I used IE version whatever, I actually used netscape 3.04g until very recently. This was one of the best browsers of all time, and was created before many of you were born

I finally switched over to firefox about the same time that I switched to windows 7 (from xp) since I figured I would just give it a shot

I can't say that the experience is any better. It's precisely the same thing in every way, just less secure, slower, etc. I'm sure if I went back now it would seem archaic, but nothing compelled me to switch except curiosity.

Try snesGT

>>1290728
>new firefox less secure than an ancient version of netscape
Holy shit. I can't believe people are actually this stupid.

>>1290728
6/10 made me slightly mad

>>1290728

10/10 perfect parody of znses cultists

RetroArch-2013-12-22

Android:
Updated: RetroArch, Mupen64plus, Mednafen

Win64:
Updated: RetroArch, Mupen64plus, Mednafen


NOTE: For best results with Android port, be sure to uninstall previous version before installing newer versions.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/91sakv0qdyxjx9f/cGOfV7ZOKd

>>1290785
>before any of you were born
confirmed for delusional. Sometimes I think talking about someone's age other than your own should be banned from this board

>>1291162
Go to bed Squarepusher, you pathetic fucking faggot.

>>1291167

>>1291162
Fuck off squarepusher

>>1291162
squarepussy pls

i am not going to touch your junk again until you fix rgui into something usable or get back phoenix

>>1290663
Don't forget if you like the ZSNES UI, which is alright, you can use ZMZ instead.

>>1291285
I actually do use ZMZ for a few games but it's useless for a lot of the other things I use ZSNES for.

>>1291274
>fix rgui into something usable

It's kinda ugly, but works pretty good. I guess there's just a small learning curve? I'm in a pattern now where I can set up a new install within a minute and get into muh games. It IS hideously ugly, I'll admit.

>or get back phoenix

Never happening. Phoenix is dead.

>>1291342
>muh netplay placebo

>>1290354
>*tips fedora*

ITT: ZSNES fanboys and byuu cultists sling shit at one another once again.

Reasonable people use SNES9X

>>1290669
That's just the thing, ZSNES doesn't get updates anymore. The only thing it has going for it is nostalgia for it's GUI.

>>1291570
>Reasonable people use RetroArch

>>1288857
It's not the emulation that's buggy, it's the sync.
9x's audio emulation is good quality and LLE. I believe it's the very same audio core bSNES uses, Blaarg's or something like that.

>>1290403
You shouldn't use the GUI for savestates. Those should be hotkey and file browser ONLY.
Also, you can always use ZMZ if the terrible interface is the only reason you're using ZSNES for. But case in point, OP's issue wouldn't be fixed by that, and the sync is still terribad.

>>1291590
Why does a perfect emulator need updates?

>>1290663
>coherent and easy to use
That is EXTREMELY subjective.
I find ZSNES's interface incoherent and difficult. With everything hidden in menus, requiring the use of the mouse (Which may or may not align with your actual mouse movements for some stupid reason), limited filenames visually, etc.
It's a MESS of DOS interface annoyances. Was pretty sure humanity as a whole moved past that shit like 10 years ago, but it seems that's not so.

Now, back to OP's issue. If you do insist on using ZSNES still, you can definitely force it to output to a specific device in Win7.
Right click the volume on the task bar, hit Playback devices, right click them.
There might be a simpler way, but just disabling all other channels will force the program to use the only remaining one, HDMI.

>>1288681
http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=5681

>>1291846
>requiring the use of the mouse

... android users.

>>1291994
Computer user. Requiring anything other than a controller could be considered nonsense. But in my case, I prefer the keyboard.

Well, for one: stop using ZSNES. It's too mainstream and isn't as good as any of the other emulators.

>>1291997
>I prefer the keyboard

You got taste.

>>1291995
>It's too mainstream

>>1292008
Being a hipster is too popular, so I will conform ironically for the sake of irony.

ZSNES is deprecated

>>1292028
It is obsolete.

>>1292031
That is the definition of deprecated.

>>1292035
Incorrect. Deprecated essentially means it's disapproved of. Obsolete means other things have passed something to the point it no longer serves ANY purpose.

>>1292037
It's deprecated BECAUSE it's obsolete.

>>1292039
That's what I meant by >>1292031, yeah.

>>1288681

>znes

>>1292008
>>1291995
>>1291846
>>1291841
okay . fuck this. janny should just ban all znes threads. period

>>1294598

>says the obnoxious tripfag

Inot the filter you go.

>>1294598
>i don't like it therefore it should be banned

>>1294598

Filtered.

>>1294598

lol, this guy

saged, called the fucking cops, etc.

>>1289125
Increasing the sound latency buffer in the settings will decrease crackling.

>>1290206
lel

Wasn't there a fork that was the backend of snes9x with the GUI of zsnes?

>>1290663
>waa waa gui gui gui
I use mednafen from the command line. I don't even see the need for a GUI.
>keep roms organized by system
>pass any extra options as needed when I run the command

>>1299228

Yes, zmz.
http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=5681

I think it's kind of poorly thought out, but whatevs. Like, it uses the libretro cores but does NOT include the cool RetroArch features.

>>1299231
>I use mednafen from the command line. I don't even see the need for a GUI.


>I'm presumptuous to assume that everyone wants to use a clunky command line interface

I had enough of that shit before Windows.

>>1299231
>>1299253

Just use RetroArch, since it uses most of the Mednafen cores.

>>1294598
u steamed?

>>1289136
Ah, but there's a skin that makes snes9x's GUI look like ZSNES for nostalgia purpouses.

>>1299247
retroarch has cool features??

>>1299253
>CLI
>clunky
Get a load of this kid.

>>1299420
>retroarch has cool features??

Dynamic rate control, which is the most superior sync available in any emulator.

Shaders. Fools dismiss them because they don't like blur, smoothing or crt shaders. But there's shaders that are great and really should be default in any emulator.

great set of audio/video output methods and options. (i hate emulators that don't allow custom resolution)

lag reducing netplay (which is more theroretical since it's all in the command line... waiting for them to add it to rgui)

>>1299417
Or you could just use ZSNES.

>>1299464
>Or you could just use ZSNES.

>>1299464
>ZSNES
I don't have any reaction images on this computer but just so you know that shit was fucking dumb

>>1299417
>look like ZSNES for nostalgia purpouses
What sort of shiteater is nostalgic for ZSNES's interface of all things? Even ten years ago I thought that it was fucking hideous and unwieldy.

>>1299479
People get nostalgia for the weirdest things, anon.

I thought someone that hangs on /vr/ of all places would get it.

>ZSNES

Sorry but i couldn't resist

>>1294598
I agree.

ZSNES is available for DOS. I want to make a mostly dedicated ZSNES machine.

>>1301685
Good luck getting HDMI sound under DOS

If you're not using bsnes, then you're wrong. zsnes is especially horrid because of all the hacks that were put INTO THE ROM to get it to work with zsnes.

Also Snes9x had a way better interface. Was definitely easier for me to set up when I first found out about emulators, had great savestate options, had an easy fastforward function to find and use.

>>1302157
Jesus, go to bed byuu.

>>1302159
God damn I found that funny.

I'm just a believer. Too much bullshit before byuu essentially punked every other SNES emulator developer when he made a virtually perfect one several years ago.

Also that Retroarch thing seems to use bsnes.

>>1302208
>Also that Retroarch thing seems to use bsnes.

Which is basically the only sensitive choice if you want bsnes. Higan is terrible.

Or you could just use snes9x like any sane person.

>>1302216
Any sane person that only wants about 80% compatibility from something that hasn't been seriously updated in a decade.

>>1302607
>decade.

6 months isn't quite a decade.

>80% compatibility

There is no commercial game which doesn't run on snes9x. It also doesn't throw shit at its end user in form of compulsory game folders and rom purifier.

>>1302607
80% is pulled directly out of your ass. When SNES9x 1.54 is out it will replace bsnes/Performance, that should say how good it is.

>>1302634

link?
will it allow those crt hallation shaders?
prescaling and all that fancy stuff?
rewinding?
perfect videorecording?

if so then i am all ears

>>1302638
I can't find where he said it but 1.53 fixes a few of the problems mentioned in that old Why Accuracy Matters page. Regardless of that its compatibility is 97%+

http://snes9x.ipherswipsite.com/

As for userland features I have no idea.

>>1302657
thanks

>>1301685
Make ZSNES autorun at fullscreen and that would be it. Awful idea nonetheless.

>>1302631
lol at your garbage info

6 months ago was what, a few fixes that didn't really change much? Most of it was actually incorporating stuff from bsnes? Yeah, I was talking about "serious" updates.

No commercial game it can't play? Come on, you know you just went with a gut feeling on that one.

>>1302762
Where the improvements came from is irrelevant. bsnes sure would not be where it is without outside help.

>game incompatibilities
Name them. Preferrably ones that don't use unusual coprocessors such as the ST01x

>>1302631
I watched a really knowledgeable guy defend game folders on /vg/emu the other day. I think he got even mudlord to agree with him, amazingly enough.

Basically, it's a good idea on par with libretro but byuu fucked it up by being retarded.

>>1302778
bsnes wouldn't be where it is without byuu, and apparently snes9x wouldn't even be where it is. It is only playing catch-up, and isn't anywhere close to being as accurate.

>>1303404
It wouldn't be where it is with just byuu either. And while SNES9x has improved thanks to bsnes, it isn't, and shouldn't be its goal to fill the same space as bsnes when there are others, such as the one for phones.

>>1302850

The funny thing is libretro is a fork of libsnes, which was an API byuu created for modular SNES cores. It had potential but it wasn't realized until a couple of other people took it and expanded it into what it is now.

>>1303467
>It wouldn't be where it is with just byuu either.

This. byuu only put the pieces together, people like anomie and zsKnight really did the heavy lifting in SNES emulation work

>>1303563
Byuu generally has the right ideas but he tends to have quite convoluted implementation.

Accuracy, game folders, were all excellent ideas that people associate with ideological bullshit because of how he went about with them

People hate byuu's ideas, not the ideas themselves

>>1303580
>Byuu generally has the right ideas but he tends to have quite convoluted implementation.

Pretty much. His emulator might be the most accurate piece of software you can get, but I simply can't stomach the way he does things.

The whole preservation first doctrine might be good for historical purposes, but it causes too much inconvenience for people who just want to play the games.

I'll stick to SNES9x

>>1303625
Inconvenience not caused by byuu at all; just the opposite. He is trying to salvage the wreckage that the community has left in the wake of their ignorance.

There is nothing stopping you from "just playing the game".

>>1303625
I can respect and support his preservation ideas, even though I use snes9x as well. There's no reason there can't be two emulators. They aren't mutually exclusive

>>1303779
>There is nothing stopping you from "just playing the game".

The first time I started higan the program didn't even let me play my games because somehow they hadn't the right format. After the forced conversation it put lots of funny folders on my pc without even asking for my consent. I'd call something like that inconvenient.

>>1303780
>There's no reason there can't be two emulators

Exactly. He can force his ideas into his emulator as much as he likes, I'm just glad I'm not affected by it.

>>1299417
Where?

>>1304095
http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=5681

>>1304101
Thank you

>>1303827
So you're saying you just didn't understand it and got frustrated.

>>1304443
Pretty much. I can't understand why a program doesn't respect the user's will at all and tries to temper with his computer. Shit like that is indeed frustrating.

>>1304576
>fire up higan
>it doesn't accept classic file format
>you tell it to convert to game folders
>it does so
>creates a game folder in a temp location
>you get royally buttfrustrated

You're the retard here. There are technical reasons why byuu's implementation of game folders is suboptimal, but your blinding ignorance isn't one of them.

>>1294598
The last post you pointed too was a real question based on a response to illogical statement. Inferring that something requires an update to be useful. Hence why he asked why something that worked perfectly would need an update. ZSNES obviously isn't that case, but if you had an emulator did everything perfectly fine, it in fact would not need updates.

>>1304913
Creating a game folder in /tmp or the Windows equivalent is a retarded idea as that's where save RAM goes. Just use RetroArch/bsnes where you get all the emulation improvements of v093 but it uses standard ROMs.