/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-An anon put up recently a neat website for everyone to upload wads, go check it here
http://pseudo3d.org/wads/

-December 10th marked the 20th anniversary of the release of the shareware version of Doom; there were tons of stuff and special events that were done for it, if you missed 'em all, feel free to ask for links to them!

-No sign yet of the Cacowards; the latest official word is that one of the dudes in charge was having internet troubles, but two days ago he finally appeared only to confirm that we're going to see the Cacowards "Soon (™)". Also, we do not take part in anything related to rumours and "leaks" of sorts; we're expecting them to be posted as anyone else, yes, but we're not that desperate to see 'em right now to the point of making shitstorms about it. In short, take anything posted here related to the Cacowards with a grain of salt - Instead, use this link to check for any important (and official) updates http://www.doomworld.com/20years

-Samsara is getting BIGGER, BADDER and BETTER. If I were you, I would keep track on future news. Special gore modes have been implemented, but we all feel there's more to come!

-OBLIGE's developer (andrewj) stated before that the final version of it would be released by the end of the year (most likely this month). However, in a very recent turn of events, Andrew changed his mind and he'll keep working on it! (Yay). Go grab OBLIGE v5.10 (WIP) here http://oblige.sourceforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=289

-Reelism is expected to receive an update in certain things such as new levels (so far, a MAP07 tribute has been confirmed) and new "reels", stay alert for any movement regarding one of the wackiest mods in the community

-ChocoDoom got updated in the 20th anniversary, but it didn't stopped there. Now you can play Heretic, Hexen and Strife too! Go grab each version of them here! http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Downloads

Good news everyone! I'm actually working hard on the Space Pirate now. I don't have any definite release dates but I'm tightening up the melee system and giving some of my current stuff much needed polish. I'll keep you all in the loop, promise.

3rd for samus in samsara

>>1276910
fifth for samus in samsara

>>1276908

Fourth for Samus not in Samsara.

>>1276885
Occasional reminder that http://doomspy.com/ exists, for if you hate Doomseeker or some such.

>>1276914

Terminus specifically mentioned that he's not adding her. It's a completely unrelated project

Also, custom addons

Silly question
why is it callled chocolate doom and not vanilla doom?

>>1276930
Is not exactly vanilla, is it?
Is pun on vanilla name.

>>1276930
>>1276936
exactly, and that's pretty much the reason it exists. fraggle thought up the name, and decided he had to use it.

You know, I really liked Stronghold but I only play singleplayer.

Is it still played much in Multiplayer?

>>1276930
Because Vanilla refers to the original DOS executable. Chocolate is a windows-compatible source port that attempts to be as close as possible to Vanilla (Original Resolution, and Bugs/Limits included), so that the player isnt forced to use dosbox to have a more authentic experience.

>>1275342
this is perfect, a bit thick near the chest and thighes probably look better if polished and colored.

i just 2x it in mspaint ,
print screen and moved each side a pixel or two
The far right i re-sized it 50% in mspaint (though scaling is better too lazy to see it in game)

>>1276896
>I'm actually working hard on the Space Pirate now.
You better, I love you, you talented nigra.

>>1276969
>dat PTR-91
Oh lawdy.

>>1277054
Looks pretty good, but shouldn't Samus suit be, well, orange?

>>1276896
How much variety will there be with the melee system?
Will we also get to do some combos with different guns in our hands?
Will the shotgun be good?

>>1277095

I'm assuming the suit needs to be a translatable color.

>>1276875
Is there a gzdoom launcher (preferably with filters)? 12GB of wads sounds nice, but actually sorting through to find what I want is problematic.

>>1276969
people play samsara stronghold from time to time

>>1277159
>samsara stronghold

Hows it work with the items in stronghold?

Brutal Duke Nukem when

>>1277279
when you make it

Hideous Destructor just got an update. For those who don't know what it is about, see

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=12973

am i the only one that preffers to use dosbox instead of zandronum or skulltag? i only play single player so maybe that is why

>>1277329

>using dosbox to play doom

Give me a good reason to avoid using ChocoDoom or even PrBoom

>>1277279
Please, no.

>>1277337
why not
it wont make you not be able to to do things you enjoy
thats v selfish

>>1277339
No but it's going to make people play my maps using gameplay elements and balance breaking elements not intended

>>1277339
No but it's going to make people play my maps using gameplay elements and balance breaking elements not intended.

Some people already use the HRP which ruins the intended design in many way, I don't want gameplay to also be ruined.

Plus, there is already Dukeplus.

>>1277347
>No but it's going to make people play my maps using gameplay elements and balance breaking elements not intended.
so? that's what happens when you create something. i'm a musician but i'm not gonna get teary if someone listens to my shit on bad speakers/headphones. people should do what makes them happy, not what the nerd who made it thinks they should do.

don't you want people to be happy?

>>1277334
im not sure, can you tell me reasons to use those instead?

>>1277350
Except that this is not a good analagy. I'm a musician too, and there is something you're supposed to do so that people can listen to your music on shitty devices and it's called mastering.

Using gameplay and visual mods would be like changing the sound of the instruments. Now that's a more correct comparaison.

>>1277356
it's like putting distortion on an acoustic guitar with clear sound

>>1277356
yeah you're right
that would be fine though too. i get joy from putting stuff out in the world and letting enjoy it how they want to. plenty of interesting things have come out of people doing unintended things with music like the chopped & screwed scene which has had a massive influence on hip-hop production.

what's the problem with people doing what they like?

>>1277353

Because...I dunno, they were specifically made for means of accurate 1993 emulation?

>>1277353
Chocolate emulates original Vanilla Doom perfectly, down to a T, while still running on all modern systems?

>>1277356
>I'm a musician
Can you teach me how to play an autistic guitar?

>>1277362
It's like you write a song and some guy decides to change the tone of an intrusment, but just one, because he believes it sounds better like that.

He'll like it but it's still out of tune.

>>1277370
>It's like you write a song and some guy decides to change the tone of an intrusment, but just one, because he believes it sounds better like that.
what's wrong with that?

>He'll like it but it's still out of tune.
So?

i don't get your focus on there being a "wrong" and "right" way to enjoy things. the right way is whatever gives you the most pleasure.

>>1277371
So, what you're saying is that, if someone takes a fine song and makes it out of tune, then the result will be just as good as the original because "it's all opinion".

That's beyond ridiculous, I mean, by this logic then nobody should even tune their instrument before recording. Holy shit.

>>1277279
duke nukem had enough gore as it is
no need to change the weapons, just make the sound effects higher quality

>>1277371
>>1277370
If I made a map and somebody played it with a mod that does things differently to how I originally made it (like he runs it with samsara or brutal) I'll be happy if he has fun, but he'll have to go into it knowing that if he does not like it then he should play it as it was originally made.

There is what the author/artist makes and they want to see something appreciated as how it was made first, before any alterations.

Not to say it should not be allowed but creator should be allowed to ask people to appreciate something they made as is without having "i can do what i like!" thrown back them as the first port of call.

>>1277374
>if someone takes a fine song and makes it out of tune, then the result will be just as good as the original because "it's all opinion".
depends what you mean as "good"
i'm saying there's nothing wrong with doing whatever you want to make it sound how you like
it's no different from making a remix, just on a smaller scale
> I mean, by this logic then nobody should even tune their instrument before recording. Holy shit.
you keep focusing on what people "should" do and what's "good". imo what's important is what people *want* to do. you seem to draw the line at people making changes that *you* wouldn't like, but why do you mind if other people are doing something you wouldn't enjoy?

>>1277374
I'm >>1277380

I dont think he's saying that, he's not being like pic related with relativist retard bullshit, he's just not fleshing out his point.
I think I get what he's saying though.

>>1277380
>Not to say it should not be allowed but creator should be allowed to ask people to appreciate something they made as is without having "i can do what i like!" thrown back them as the first port of call.
why do you think the artist should have a say in how people use something after they've bought/downloaded it? to me that feels like the guy from ikea knocking on my door telling me he doesn't like my positioning of the shelves i've bought. or a designer telling me i shouldn't alter my clothes.

>>1277386
>why do you think the artist should have a say in how people use something after they've bought/downloaded it?

Maybe because they made it and so can suggest to a user the manner in which they expected it to be used/viewed/enjoyed?
It's like a painter telling somebody you might enjoy a painting better if you looked at it with your own eyes instead of having somebody else describe it to you over the phone.

>to me that feels like the guy from ikea knocking on my door telling me he doesn't like my positioning of the shelves i've bought. or a designer telling me i shouldn't alter my clothes.

A better analogy would be the person who conceptualized furniture in the first place coming to your house and telling you it's better to use a chair for sitting on it instead of as kindling for a fire.

>>1277386
dumb idea, dumb argument and dumb analogy.

>>1277391
>Maybe because they made it and so can suggest to a user the manner in which they expected it to be used/viewed/enjoyed?
suggesting isn't the same as asking and expecting people to have to justify themselves in any way other than "i can do what I like".
>A better analogy would be the person who conceptualized furniture in the first place coming to your house and telling you it's better to use a chair for sitting on it instead of as kindling for a fire.
"i can do what i like" would be a perfectly fine response here, too. it's not what i'd personally do with it but i don't think it's anyone else's business how the chair is used after it's bought.

>>1277393
what do you find dumb?

>>1277394
Sure, they can do what they like if they want to be unorthodox about things.

There are many things about art that are subjective but there are some methodologies of experience that are clearly better than others. Listening to music through proper equipment is one, as is looking at a painting with your eyes open.

A person can modify something as they like and if they enjoy it then I'll be happy for them if I'm the artist, but *as* the artist I reserve the right to tell them that while they can experience things another way I originally made the product with a different means of going about the experience in mind, an artist is trying to communicate a point - remember this as it's one of the most important things about art you can ever possibly know. They may suggest to you another way to reach/understand the point they are trying to convey is through a suggestion they make of you.

I have explained this as clearly as I can.

As a side note I hope this "everything is subjective" viewpoint of yours does not traverse over into things that are very much considered objective like basic mathematics.

>>1277381
It's not about what *i* like. You seem to believe that ALL changes not intended by the original creator are fine as long as the person 'likes' it.

But I think there is a limit to the "it's all opinion/it's all taste/there is no right or wrong" train of thought.
If someone renders a song out of tune and claims he likes it better that way, then he is wrong, because he has no musical hearing and can't even tell it's out of tune.
If someone takes my Duke Nukem 3D map and uses the HRP, spritework will be changed into 3D models and won't even represent what they're supposed to represent (in DN3D, adding several sprites together to create the fiction that it's one whole object is very common but 3D models break that), etc.
If he will use 'Brutal Duke', the enemy placement that I thoroughly thought out will be ruined by a different enemy AI, as will be the ratio and balance of ammo and healing items. Therefore, the experience will be worse. But people will like it because 'lol so much gore awesome! duke totally insulted this aliens' mama he's the king xD'

It's not what about 'i' like, it's about making sure what you create remains as good as you wanted it to be for other people's experience.

Now, people usually tell in .txt files with maps what visual mod is intended, or if it's compatible with a gameplay mode etc, but people never read that; and sometimes, people don't even respect the authors will by using their map into episodes for gameplay mod without their consent.

>>1277403
>If someone renders a song out of tune and claims he likes it better that way, then he is wrong, because he has no musical hearing and can't even tell it's out of tune.
he might like the sound of something out of tune
what i'm trying to get across is: why do you care how they enjoy it?

>Therefore, the experience will be worse. But people will like it because 'lol so much gore awesome! duke totally insulted this aliens' mama he's the king xD'
the experience will only be *worse* from your perspective. it might be better from theirs, if they place more weight on gore and catchphrases.

>>1277401
i get what you're saying and i agree, but i don't think the artists intention is nearly as important as what makes the audience happy. sure, you can talk about your intent, but what does it matter? if something is making drastic changes to a work they are obviously doing it for their enjoyment, and drastic changes are what we're talking about, really.

no reason to debate idiots. Obviously if you spend hours modifying your map to fine tune the gameplay to specific enemy patterns and values, and then some moron changes those because DON'T TELL ME HOW TO HAVE FUN OR HOW TO PLACE MY IKEA FURNITURE !!!- I can see how that might be annoying and disrespectful to your hours spent crafting that specific experience.

obviously you are free to do whatever you want, doesn't change that you are drastically altering the intended experience (while different layouts of your furniture doesn't alter the intended experience your furniture is supposed to give you). It's like playing a game with cheat codes from start to finish. Obviously IT IS NO BUSINESS TO ANYBODY IF I WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME WITH CHEATS OR NOT but you are clearly bypassing all the hours spent crafting the gameplay

>>1277413
do you really think that people should experience things in ways they enjoy LESS just because doing otherwise would be "disrespectful"?

>>1277409
>but i don't think the artists intention is nearly as important as what makes the audience happy

......Then you literally believe that happy feelings are more important than facts while making an implication that they are mutually exclusive.

>but what does it matter?

Because the artist is trying to *say* something, to make a point. It would be like taking Weeping Woman by Picasso, a picture about shattering grief and saying because you drew a dick on it and it made you laugh it is objectively just as valid a point as what Picasso, the original artist was trying to say.

I'm not going to have the person doing this thrown in jail or confiscate their property, but a reminder that they are outside the scope of intent is in order.

>all these walls of text
seriously

>>1277415

people can experience things in completely retarded and disrespectful ways, I don't have to approve their choices

>>1277423
>Because the artist is trying to *say* something, to make a point. It would be like taking Weeping Woman by Picasso, a picture about shattering grief and saying because you drew a dick on it and it made you laugh it is objectively just as valid a point as what Picasso, the original artist was trying to say.
yeah, if that's what you want to do
what does it matter? i wouldn't do that because i would prefer the experience of the original, but not everyone is the same.

>>1277429
>I don't have to approve their choices
of course you don't, but i don't understand their choices affect you.

>>1277429
I mean there are people who never read books, they just listen to audio books and only audio books or only read summaries. Now of course they are free to do it, but obviously they are not experiencing what the original author crafted and they might possibly be retarded.

Of course creating a carefully crafted modification of your own is a completely different thing

>>1277432
Because a work is recognized as coming from an artist and not a naturally occurring phenomena, the artist is considered a strong point of referencing an opinion.
This is why at art shows you see...gasp...the artists, telling viewers what they were trying to say with their work and if somebody takes a picture and fucks with it it is made clear to them that while that is ok to do, it's not what the artist had in mind when they made their work.

This is a very easy concept to understand and why you are struggling to grasp it I can only conclude is coming from a desire to be sophistic.
You say it does not matter what an artist thinks, I'm explaining to you why it does.

It would be like me taking your posts and then writing knock knock jokes instead and saying "it's on my computer now i can do what I like" and acting like you're a jerk when you say that is not what you were trying to convey.

After you upload your map to the internets, you no longer have any property over it, and anyone can play it with any gameplay mod.

Also, you all should take easier with the use of the "artist" word. Making a map old games doesn't makes you the new Michelangelo. It's just a fucking game, goddammit!

>>1277437
>*for old games

>>1277432
well they don't need to affect me directly for me to voice my views on that or to express sympathy to the creators of these things. But it's important, I think, for them to realize that there are people who are interested on experiencing the experience they tried to create instead of just modifying it in retarded ways because.

Also you exhibit some weird values. So I can't criticize theft if the thief is not stealing from me ie not affecting me directly? Not saying playing wads how you want is akin to thief, just an example

>>1277437
yes I agree artist is overblown as a term for any kind of vidya related stuff. It was just easier to use for the purpose of this specific debate

>>1277437
>Also, you all should take easier with the use of the "artist" word. Making a map old games doesn't makes you the new Michelangelo. It's just a fucking game, goddammit!

This is because you are thinking everybody has the same definition of "artist" as you.

>>1277436
>It would be like me taking your posts and then writing knock knock jokes instead and saying "it's on my computer now i can do what I like" and acting like you're a jerk when you say that is not what you were trying to convey.
You keep saying "it's like..." but none of these things would matter. the only problem would be if you based what you thought of me on the knock-knock jokes you wrote. but nobody altering art would judge the artist on their own changes.
we obviously just have different perspectives and that's cool so there's not really much reason to carry on chatting. i understand that if you change something, it's not what the artist intended. personally, i don't think that matters. i can see it does to you though, it's all good :)

>So I can't criticize theft if the thief is not stealing from me ie not affecting me directly?
theft has a direct negative affect on the victim. altering some art (as long as it's not the original) doesn't affect the creator or change their situation other than possibly making them upset.

How many anons are working on maps right now? I'd love to see some work being done here.

If there's plenty of people, have you considered making something like a "/vr/ Community Chest"? I always wait for someone to upload a couple of maps, but looks like the people here don't map that much, or have some reasons not to upload maps right now.

Maybe I ask too much and people are learning the ropes, but I'll keep my hopes up for some map pack that comes from /vr/.

>>1277449
No, this is because you are thinking making mods makes you someone special, and your "works" must be "respected" from an "artistic" point of view.

>>1277452
something being good doesn't make it more of an "art"

>>1277452
Once again you've attached your meaning of the word into the conversation because your having trouble understanding what that word means, instead you think shitposting is an argument.
Sorry but it's not, facts are facts.

>>1277450

it's like my previous example with audiobooks or reading only synopses instead of reading the actual book. It doesn't affect me or anyone directly, so I can't voice my opinion on how retarded doing something like that is, or disapprove of it?

Piracy doesn't affect anything directly but it's not exactly moral and un-harmful, but according to you I can't voice my opinion on it because it doesn't affect anything directly.

Pretty dumb.

>>1277451

I suggested an idea for /vr/.wad which consisted of creating a Boom-compat levelset inspired by Episode 1 and using only textures from that episode.

But, truth be told, at this period of time a large portion of our people are focused on their own projects and have little to no time to get on other stuff like mapping (seems reasonable, of course).

Others don't seem to be interested that much into mapping, despite being shown from time to time that it's quite easy to get oneself into creating basic maps in less than a week

>>1277450
>the only problem would be if you based what you thought of me on the knock-knock jokes you wrote

and a problem would arise with the artist if the point he was trying to communicate was misunderstood, this is the point of the discussion

>i understand that if you change something, it's not what the artist intended.

then you've got a very poor understanding of art as a whole and why it even exists

>other than possibly making them upset.

the other guy mentioned this not me, regardless you just said it *does* affect them because it makes them upset.

you're a cretin, honestly
there are differences of opinion and then there is just being an obtuse idiot that would like to think that communicating poorly and then acting smug or nonchalant when he is misunderstood is somehow something of merit when it's a pointless, vacuous waste of time

>>1277470
I'm making a map, but shits technical.

I've learned quite a lot about DB2 though through these threads. A level takes time to make though.
Maybe as a throwaway level I'll slap something together in Doom2 format and post it here sometime.

>>1277469
i'm not saying you can't voice your opinion on something, but i'm asking you why it bothers you.

>>1277473
why are you being so rude man
>and a problem would arise with the artist if the point he was trying to communicate was misunderstood
the person making the changes would know it's not what the artist intended though, and wouldn't judge them based on it

>>1277473
he is really dumb and stupid to be honest. First he says you can't voice an opinion on something if it doesn't directly affects you (already pretty dumb), then just backtracks and say you can voice an opinion if it affects a third party in a certain way but not in another.

Pretty dumb.

the whole argument is dumb, obviously someone spent hours carefully constructing the personality of his stupid vidya level by fine tuning it to specific gameplay values, and it's obvious that the author would like for people to enjoy what he created instead of some thoughtless dumb modification

Doom

>>1277480

not much, I just don't approve of those people not even considering the idea of experiencing what was originally created by the author\s, just jumping straight to their stupid modifications and even demanding approvation for that (DON'T TELL ME HOW TO HAVE FUN and so on).

Mind you, in my opinion games are not serious business, it's just the principle that annoys me. Like people going to the cinema and just spending their time with their eyes glued on their stupid facebook phones. DON'T TELL THEM HOW TO ENJOY THE MOVIES!

>>1277480
>why are you being so rude man

Because you're completely incapable of understanding something that I think literally every other spectator to this discussion would have gotten by now. Either that you're you're just muddling about in asinine, afraid to commit to an answer. It has already been explained to you very clearly.

>the person making the changes would know it's not what the artist intended though, and wouldn't judge them based on it

Yes, this is the correct view.
A creator is allowed to communicate what it was they were trying to convey with their work. We have a term for this and it's called an "Artists statement".

>>1277485
It's tiresome, really.
That said, if I have a level I wont mind if people are romping around in it in Brutal or Samsara or MSX or anything but I'd appreciate it if they had at least one run through of it in vanilla so they can see what it was at first.

After that everything is replay value, run wild with the mods if they like it.

>>1277494

https://archive.org/download/the_doom_2_variations/MAP05_DOOM.mp3

You can even hear in this track "DOOM", as if Bobby originally had in his mind the MIDI track to say "DOOM"

It's only a 2 page thread.

>http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=39023

I feel bad for the author, I dont think he really deserved to get the treatment he got at all.
Not in this thread but WildWeasel has usually said in a good way "this is why this is a bad idea" to posters in a way that is not "We're just going to laugh at you and then say you cant take criticism".

I knew the mod was a bad idea though when it just upped the health of the monsters without changing how the fight besides "fastmonsters".

>>1277512
>special snowflake simple mod
>wasting people time

Their should be a section for 'vanilla' mods....

>>1277512
edward and his buttbuddies are a pile of dicks, no surprises there.

>>1277512
damn everyone here seems a bit silly

>>1277337
It would improve the game.

>>1277437
Well that's like your opinion man, I consider making maps for oldschool FPS 'more' artistic than a lot of things that 'some people do and call themselves artists for' (I know this is a very vague definition...)

The problem is that nowadays we can't use the word 'artist' anymore without people thinking we're overpretentious. The origin of the word art comes from craftsmanship, building things with your tools, and when I make a map I'm building a virtual environment with the tools given to me. Sounds pretty close to the origins of the word to me.

Anyway back to main topic, I just finished playing Back To Saturn X - Episode and I'm currently playing Community Chest 4 (which is good but imo not as good as Saturn X), pic related, wasting shots to kill an Archville through the hole between the door and the wall.
Can anybody recommend me a rather high quality recent wad (preferably with lots of maps) ?

>>1277370
>>1277374
>>1277403

You sounds a bit selfish.

Some people simply think that a music can sound better with some differences. This is why remixes exist.

> You seem to believe that ALL changes not intended by the original creator are fine as long as the person 'likes' it.
Yes, they are fine. Nobody is forcing you to use these mods.

> Now, people usually tell in .txt files with maps what visual mod is intended, or if it's compatible with a gameplay mode etc, but people never read that; and sometimes, people don't even respect the authors will by using their map into episodes for gameplay mod without their consent.
Oh no, someone is doing something without my approval. THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE PUNISHED, FREEDOM IS NOT ALLOWED.

>>1277449
And I why should care about the artist?

I prefer games without faces.

So I guess that "it's art!" is the new favorite "argument" used by Doom purists.

What soundfont do you guys use and why isn't it Rowland SoundCanvas 55?

>>1277413
What I love about you argument is: you kinda destroy the entire point of the modding community.

>>1277429
> I have my head inside my ass and think that my works are perfect

Fixed for you.

I'm fairly certain this is my favourite wall texture.

>>1277501
> That said, if I have a level I wont mind if people are romping around in it in Brutal or Samsara or MSX or anything but I'd appreciate it if they had at least one run through of it in vanilla so they can see what it was at first.

You remind me of a faggot that hate movie adaptations because "most people will never read the book first!!!!1111".

This happens when you have a massive ego.

>>1277607
running in software mode?

>>1277613
I just pulled it off of google images.

>>1277614
o i c

>>1277583
>Some people simply think that a music can sound better with some differences. This is why remixes exist.

I was talking about making the music out of tune, not just "remixing" it. Do you even graps the concept of being in tune? Or are you like that other anon who thinks that turning something out of tune is totally fine if "he likes it better that way" ?

>>1277436
> This is why at art shows you see...gasp...the artists, telling viewers what they were trying to say with their work and if somebody takes a picture and fucks with it it is made clear to them that while that is ok to do, it's not what the artist had in mind when they made their work.

> it's not what the artist had in mind when they made their work.

Nobody is saying that is. Your argument is a failure.

Do you even know the point of -modding- ? The name is self-explanatory.

It sounds like you are scared of being 'overshadowed' by others or something. A lot of people who works with games have this mentality: they are TERRIBLY scared of not being recognized.

>>1277618
You can remix a music just changing the tone of a single instrument.

>>1277632
Btw I was the person who asked for a Brutal Duke Nukem and I did this because Brutal Doom improved over the original game in absolutely every way. Noy only this mod, but Hard Doom, Complex Doom and Samsara are also better than the vanilla Doom.

I can't even stand playing vanilla Doom anymore, except if the map is exceptional (and 99% of them aren't)

Inb4 butthurt.

>>1277607
yeah that's fire

>>1277618
Plenty of music doesn't adhere to traditional ideas of "being in tune", it doesn't make it bad. You remind me of a friend who said he loved jazz (he mainly listened to jazz-influenced anime soundtracks) and claimed that Bitches Brew sounded like a good jazz song "that had been stabbed with a knife".

>>1277607

I've been trying for months to achieve the distortion of that pic for a custom texture with no dice

anyone willing to help?

>>1277635
There is already Duke Plus, War of Attrition, Weapons Of Mass Destruction, for Duke3D.
Also IIRC Nuclear Showndown is compatible with the original episodes of Duke3D (not sure it's been a long time)

>>1277606
>>1277601

Not him, but the reason most people dislike people that will play stuff with their favorite mod (most commonly brutal doom, but there are others) and only their favorite mod is not because they play it with their favorite mod but because they will complain about or deride the work (not necessarily directly to the author) because it is unbalanced when used in conjunction with their favorite mod.

They will also generally not play other projects or TCs which make gameplay changes of their own (so fuck any atmosphere or work the author put into that) or are otherwise incompatible with their favorite mod.

For fuck's sake there are people that complained about/wouldn't play the aliens TC (the newish one, not the old one) because it wasn't compatible with brutal doom.

This mostly doesn't apply to things like beautiful doom that make very little or no gameplay changes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JxN1JtrOBQ

Probably the craziest mod I've ever seen

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=39023

I enjoyed Map 06 of Community Chest 4, Survival Instinct by Adam Windsor, very much.

>>1277638
>Plenty of music doesn't adhere to traditional ideas of "being in tune"
Well, perhaps,if that's how they are intended to be... Just like if you make Brutal Duke and build your maps around the changes you've made, then it's fine.

>>1277442
> So I can't criticize theft if the thief is not stealing from me ie not affecting me directly? Not saying playing wads how you want is akin to thief, just an example

"I did a comparison beween thieves and modders, but I'm not comparing thieves and modders"

>>1277652
>Well, perhaps,if that's how they are intended to be
That's totally besides the point. The point is that no change is "wrong" just because it sounds bad/plays badly to you. No offense but you seem very closed-minded.

>>1277652
> Just like if you make Brutal Duke and build your maps around the changes you've made, then it's fine.
Except that a (well-done) Brutal Duke would already make good changes for the original game.

>>1277527

Speaking of which, define "vanilla", because I was planning to put up a project which consists of nothing but a graphic enhancement to the game. Just sprite edits and nothing else, since I envisioned this little work for everyone to play with it (non-zdoomers and zdoomers).

The main focus of this thing is the graphic edit, and I was planning to go with a randomizer for some decorations such as the candles and certain light tubes (and this is most likely where the zdoom aspect of the mod will enter)

>>1277656
I'm sorry but nobody is EVER going to make believe that he did an acceptable change if he took a music in a genre that's MEANT to be in tune and made one instrument out of tune. If you think that's fine then I'm glad I don't have your ears. I also believe the same logic can be applied as far as graphical and gameplay/balance changes go. But sounds like we're turning in circle here, as you're not going to change your "everything is beautiful / nothing is right or wrong" attitute, either, so I won't go further on the subject as it's not going to go anywhere else.

>>1277674
>genre that's MEANT to be in tune
Who makes the rules? Genres only exist because people started making music in them. There's plenty of music across all genres which makes use of traditionally "ugly" sounds. Why impose these limitations, telling people they are wrong for liking the way certain music sounds.
>"everything is beautiful / nothing is right or wrong"
I don't know where you got this from my post, I'm just saying that the idea that music has to be "in tune" at all times to be good is pretty closed-minded.

>>1277650
>you should review fractal doom lol
>another so bad its funny mod
Seriously?

I hope you guys realize NESfag samefagged himself just to start another argument.

>>1277695
That just looks like he was expanding his point.
Although I don't know why he deleted it.

>>1277691
fracal doom

>>1277705
Why did you even make this post lol obviously it is

>>1277695
>2 minutes passed
>only 1 post

is /vr/ really this slow?

>>1277691
go to bed scroton/vincent

>>1277705
>two minutes
>slow

hwat
maybe if you live on, like
/v/

>>1277705
That's pretty fast.

>>1277695
>>1277697
I deleted it because I realized there was no need to expand the point (which was clear enough) with a bad comparaison. Now, "I hope you guys realize" YOUR posts intention...

>>1277618
>Do you even graps the concept of being in tune?
This du just listens to Taylor Swift or something smh

>>1277646
Actually they dislike because:

1 - they want to have their works being the center of the attention.

2 - purists/fans who obsess with their object of desire in a absurd emotional level. Thus everyone who ignores or dislikes their object of desire is seen as a "enemy". This is very common in any fanbase.

> Not him, but the reason most people dislike people that will play stuff with their favorite mod (most commonly brutal doom, but there are others) and only their favorite mod is not because they play it with their favorite mod but because they will complain about or deride the work (not necessarily directly to the author) because it is unbalanced when used in conjunction with their favorite mod.
I've never seen these specific complaints.

> They will also generally not play other projects or TCs which make gameplay changes of their own (so fuck any atmosphere or work the author put into that) or are otherwise incompatible with their favorite mod.
I don't care if a moron doesn't play my map.

>>1277674
> acceptable change
Some musics can be made enjoyable -in a different way- just increasing or decreasing their speed. You can even make some musics better.

Deal with this.

Inb4 someone talking about "b-but muh favorite book/game/music will not be praised by others if I let this happens!" disguised as 'artistic integrity'.

>>1277098
IN ORDER:

The melee system as it stands is pretty varied, at least for Doom. You're guaranteed to have at least a pretty looking combo if you just mash Primary and Alt. Fire, so that's pretty cool.

Right now, the SMG has a combo system implemented but I don't know how I'm going to go about doing it for anything else. The main pistol is pretty cut and dry, especially with the crazy chainsaw replacement that'll be coming whenever I actually get to doing the graphics.

As for the shotgun, well...I had this insane system for different shell types that'd have different effects, but I really wanted it to be good. If the idea gets in exactly like I want it to, you'll be able to have a magazine of 8 shells with different effects. The trick is getting the game to remember which shells you loaded in, and with there being four different types...it's gonna be a pain in the ass if not impossible to do.

>>1277742
>Some musics can be made enjoyable -in a different way- just increasing or decreasing their speed.
go away dj screw you're dead

>>1277646
Actually they dislike because:

1 - they want to have their works being the center of the attention.

2 - purists/fans who obsess with their object of desire in a absurd emotional level. Thus everyone who ignores or dislikes their object of desire is seen as a "enemy". This is very common in any fanbase.

> Not him, but the reason most people dislike people that will play stuff with their favorite mod (most commonly brutal doom, but there are others) and only their favorite mod is not because they play it with their favorite mod but because they will complain about or deride the work (not necessarily directly to the author) because it is unbalanced when used in conjunction with their favorite mod.
I've never seen these specific complaints.

> They will also generally not play other projects or TCs which make gameplay changes of their own (so fuck any atmosphere or work the author put into that) or are otherwise incompatible with their favorite mod.
I don't care if a moron doesn't play my map.

>>1277674
> acceptable change
Some musics can be made enjoyable -in a different way- just increasing or decreasing their speed. You can even make some musics better.

Deal with this

>>1277646
Actually they dislike because:

1 - they want to have their works being the center of the attention.

2 - purists/fans who obsess with their object of desire in a absurd emotional level. Thus everyone who ignores or dislikes their object of desire is seen as a "enemy". This is very common in any fanbase.

> Not him, but the reason most people dislike people that will play stuff with their favorite mod (most commonly brutal doom, but there are others) and only their favorite mod is not because they play it with their favorite mod but because they will complain about or deride the work (not necessarily directly to the author) because it is unbalanced when used in conjunction with their favorite mod.
I've never seen these specific complaints.

> They will also generally not play other projects or TCs which make gameplay changes of their own (so fuck any atmosphere or work the author put into that) or are otherwise incompatible with their favorite mod.
I don't care if a moron doesn't play my map.

>>1277674
> acceptable change
Some musics can be made enjoyable -in a different way- just increasing or decreasing their speed. You can even make some musics better.

>>1277646
Actually they dislike because:

1 - they want to have their works being the center of the attention.

2 - fans who obsess with their object of desire in a biggggg emotional level. Thus everyone who ignores or dislikes their object of desire is seen as a "enemy". This is common in any fanbase.

> Not him, but the reason most people dislike people that will play stuff with their favorite mod (most commonly brutal doom, but there are others) and only their favorite mod is not because they play it with their favorite mod but because they will complain about or deride the work (not necessarily directly to the author) because it is unbalanced when used in conjunction with their favorite mod.
I've never seen these specific complaints.

> They will also generally not play other projects or TCs which make gameplay changes of their own (so fuck any atmosphere or work the author put into that) or are otherwise incompatible with their favorite mod.
I don't care if a moron doesn't play my map.

>>1277674
> acceptable change
Some musics can be made enjoyable -in a different way- just increasing or decreasing their speed. You can even make some musics better.

>>1277760
>>1277756
>>1277751
why are you doing this

>>1277742
>>1277751
>>1277756

>I've never seen these specific complaints.

Go look at any youtube video of an at least semi-popular map.

It doesn't bother people deeply or anything, but you're saying that when someone tells a map author "your map sucks its unplayable in bd retard" and the map author decides "well fuck you too dude" the map author is in the wrong.

Also please stop deleting and reposting your comment with varying sardonic quips at the end, it's kinda spammy. Maybe you should find a site that lets you edit comments, might be more your speed.

>>1277760
Holy fuck really dude?
>>1277742
>>1277751
>>1277756

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=39023&p=732630#p732630

>this thread
You guys failed at making a decent thread,
Restarting thread in 3...2...1....

ALFONZO IS ALIVE!

ALFONZO IS ALIVE!

Alert everyone:
Hide and report, /vr/oomers....hide and report...

>>1277665
sarcasm right?

>>1277650
>crazy mod
>25 mb


I guess its true its crazy, looks like lots of effort over nothing..no maps

nothings pectacular

looks like copy and paste bullshit and colorful HUD

I found the Resident evil camera angle more crazier than this...

>>1277921
spectacular*

its not even its bad its good...it doesn't try anything.

monster health regen?
thats 'the identity'... really?

I must be missing something here, did he make those sprites from scratch?

What... happened this thread? Why are so many posts deleted?

>>1277932
Probably because they weren't about Doom.

>>1277470
I'd love to participate in such idea. I hope more people get interested in this idea, it would be great to try and make a huge project between us.

>>1277743
>Different shell types in the entire magazine
That sounds fucking awesome but I can't even kind of think of trick to get the system to work the way you'd like.

Community Chest 4 gets progressively better after a few maps

Query for our esteemed group:

From Star Wars' cantina scene to deus ex's numerous bars mass effect's Afterlife (club&bar built on an obscure asteroid), there's much to be said for a bar, hall, club or restaurant adding atmosphere and introducing the world to the audience. Sometimes they're hub worlds and other times eye candy.

Have you ever come across cool bars, clubs in the world of Doom wads?

>>1277960
Well, there was that gay bar in Action Doom 2, but I like the idea of a bar as a hub map.

Which wads have the best flamethrowers? I saw one in Grezzo II - some Italian mod- and I wasn't sure if it originated there or was copied from elsewhere. It seemed to use a combination of arch vile fire and photographs of flames.

>>1277956
I really like it. I just wish someone would host a brutal co-op server of it.

>>1277983
CC3 and 4 don't work online completely.
They use ACS

>>1277470
If there's enough people interested I wouldn't mind joining.

rip terminus

>>1277470
I'm interested, but I don't have Internet at home and no way to do maps (no Doom Builder). In a month or so, though, sure.

TERMINUS
DONT DO IT
YOU HAVE SO MUCH TO LIVE FOR

>>1278050
what this about?

>>1277932
It was a /v/ raid

>>1278058
no it wasnt

I've seen here what looks like a female sprite in a suit and skirt. Is that from a wad or just some pixel art?

I know duke nukem has lots of female sprites but are there any mods or sites that have these saved?

>>1278058
>>1278061

It was idiots arguing about people using mods unintended for use with maps/projects by their authors. Everything meaningful or novel that could be said about it was said within 3 posts but they kept on about it for almost 100, using metaphors and namecalling and "define the word 'is'" bullshit to rehash the same thing between themselves, occasionally joined by others for several posts.

>>1278067
>idiots
reported

>>1278062

To this same inquiry:

Are there many sprites, game decorations that use women impaled on spikes or hanging from the ceiling? I know duke had women ensnared in those plant things.

Wondering if theres an unspoken taboo against portraying hellish evil and alien violence by showing female victims.

Anyone come across anything in this category?

>>1278054
he's gonna eat the chilli

>>1278073
There's no taboo but nobody really made any.

>>1278073
I think there's some hanging corpse sprites somewhere.
Really, it's probably not too taboo unless it's only women, in which case someone might raise an eyebrow, but unless it's creepily fetischized, it'll probably not raise too much of a shitstorm.

In Diablo, you could find naked men AND women hanging from hooks/chains on walls, impaled on spikes, cut in half on the floor, etc.

>>1278024
>>1278050
>>1278072
>[17:01] =-= TerminusEst13 is now known as TerminusEst13|Coma
NOW IS THE TIME TO PANIC

>>1277470
>>1277942
>>1277991
>>1278034
My, if there's people interested I'd start right away; having the project going on will atract more people to the cause.

Boom compatible would be great, and there's potential to do a lot of things too; I'll try to make a little map right now. I hope I can finish it soon.

>>1278176
Alright. Just set a vague date or something.

>>1278167
he might be dead.

How do i compose music for doom, i dont know if someone here is making levels or mods for doom but if someone can tell me how to make the doom music i can help with some tracks

>>1278093
Didn't one of the Temple of the Lizard Man megawad things have exactly that kind of thing in it?

I think one of the artguys here is making/has made a female skin which might be what you are thinking of, not sure if it's readily available though. There are a also a bunch of player skins in the vr skins pack.

What's the comfiest doom bedroom you've seen?

>>1278321
There's only one answer to this question.

oh god just got here. Just played doom 1 and 2 over the weekend for the first time and FUUUUCK this fight in brutaldoom

No, I will not lower the difficulty

>>1278321

>>1278343
Brutal Doom makes everything unnecessarily hard, for the record.

>>1278346

>>1278347
Maybe so anon, but it's so fucking fun.

I've never known the true glory of the supershotty until this.

If I ever become a teacher, any tardy student can get a free pass into class by beating the first level of doom with brutaldoom running. They only can die three times

>>1278354
Make it twice and Black Metal difficulty and well... choose a psychopathic level like Tricks and Traps. Pistol start. Final Destination.

>>1278365
I'll choose whichever one has the most baron of hells, yo.

Three is fair, I believe. I want to be a fair teacher on that, not a shitty guy that fucks you over purposefully.

My only hint of advice would be :USE THE SHOTGUN

>>1278365
And, anyways, black metal is a given.

If you play on anything other than black metal, you're a casual

>>1278354
>If I ever become a teacher, any tardy student can get a free pass into class by beating the first level of doom with brutaldoom running. They only can die three times
Baby shit. Make it Hideous Destructor and you've got a worthwhile challenge.

>>1278264
Ain't that red devil woman from the Bittersweet aka bitter.wad? Afaik lilwhitemouse's bitter.wad would have something you look for.
Shame it's not finished and lil is not even thinking about finishing it.

>>1278343
When you start, run to all corners and save all the marines there, kick and move along. When they're busy with marines activate all buttons and open fire with minigun and super shotty.

>>1278369
Normal shotgun is piss weak in Brutal Doom, (Minigun is a better trash cleaner) hope you mean super shotgun.

Hell-ow fellow DooM lovers!
I got a bit of a problem as im trying to get Doom 2 working with brutal doom but when i drag and drop the Doom2.WAD with the brutal doom wad in the gzDooM all that loads is the tital screen for DooM2 but what plays is DooM. What am i doing wrong? Its rather quite odd?

>>1278409
You're loading Doom 2 and Brutal Doom with Doom 1, for some reason.

When you double-click on GZDoom, a screen should pop up telling you whether you want to play Doom, Doom 2, or something else. If this screen doesn't pop up, you fucked up something in your initial set-up session.
Just drag Brutal Doom onto the GZDoom, select Doom 2, and play.

Or, even better, don't play Brutal Doom.

>>1278409

Ummmmm it's been like a year since I played Brutal Doom but I seem to remember that I had to create a new "shortcut" for each WAD that I wanted to play with Brutal Doom, and each shortcut had to be written out properly to point to the proper WAD. At least that's how I specifically got it to work. So maybe try that?

TNT Evilution + Plutonia + Brutal Doom = Aaaargargahrgrhrgahragrhrghrgrhgrnopleasegodnooooooooo

>>1278429
>I seem to remember that I had to create a new "shortcut" for each WAD that I wanted to play with Brutal Doom, and each shortcut had to be written out properly to point to the proper WAD.

why would you fucking do that
do not listen to this man

>>1277691
>implying fractal doom isn't a buggy mess

http://youtu.be/wWBBzcY3wOA?t=2m38s

>>1278419
>>1278429
>>1278430
Nobody has fucking said for him to just use ZDL.

>>1278398
the default shotgun is good.
SSG and minigun eat up too much ammo, when I'm not in ammo paradise wads I use assault rifle for fodder and shotty for meaty guys

after many recommendations and idiotic stuff about Brutal doom="the way DooM was meant to be played" i still belive MSX is a better mod
but as the QA of /vr/ said,its a matter of opinions

>>1278398
>Normal shotgun is piss weak in Brutal Doom
It's easily one of the best weapons due to power and range. It's also guaranteed to flinch anything per shot outside of Archviles.
The only weak weapon is Revenant rockets.

>>1278440
I can't wait for Project MSX's next update.

Alt firemodes for all guns and an arm blade? Fuck yeah

>>1278447
the only thing that i didnt like of MSX is the lack of Super Shotgun[i know there's the nailshotgun but i still want a SSG] and a Chaingun
the rest of the weapons are alright but i still have a problem with MSX,no auto reload when you dry out a mag

>>1278443
How good are those mancubus projectors?

>>1278419
Cheerse ill try that out and im playing brutal doom cos i havent played it with doom2 yet

>>1278434
Whats the story with this?
Pros and cons?

>>1278452
they pretty good at area denial
There's only one small problem: You don't need area denial in Doom
In fact area denial is the kind of stuff the demons do against you

>>1278463
>organized sorting of source ports, IWADS, pwad load order
That's not enough?

So im using the doom metal music wad and im trying to find on jewtube the final trak when you face the cyber demoms in knee deep in gore.
Anyone got a link?

>>1278465
They're actually good in crowds due to flames on the floor and assloads of pain chance.

Then you set other monsters on fire and they also burn other monsters.
It's actually a pretty good weapon.

>>1278451
I think the Nail Shotgun covers my heavy shotgun needs, but really my only issue was how weak the automatic shotgun was.

I would have also liked a Minigun or Heavy fucking machine gun.

>>1278478
usually I don't have floor to spare burning
also burning running enemies tend to run in my direction

the weak shotgun works surprisingly well with MSX's hitscanners.
Empting a clip on a stronger enemy at point blank works pretty well

>>1278471
>the final trak when you face the cyber demoms in knee deep in gore

What?

>>1278471
>metal
>jewtube
m8 are u 12

>>1278502
The weak shotgun is really weak outside of the marines.

Even those Imp replacements take like 2-3 full shots.
I usually use the assault rifle or charged grenades.
I even made an edit to the shotgun to make it stronger(Tighter spread, extra two pellets and a tiny bit more damage) and it still feels a little lackluster.

As for Brutal Doom, imps on fire pretty much make a wall of pain. Zombies tend to run away from me while on fire and they can cause infighting through that.

>>1278513
I mean during the game knee deep in dead* where you first face the cyber demons there is music playing and i am after that music

>>1278573
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLcdOcdyIE&list=PLr3fVRF0B2Vnt44F60fGi9j2-qSKqe_DP

Idea: Doompaint. A mod where all the weapons have different colored "bulletholes" and are essentially paintbrushes, and you can paint on walls.

>>1278587
there is already something like this. but i cant remember the name

>>1278073
>>1278073

>your face when Mussolini and his mistress' corpses are featured in a sprite in Doom

>>1278589
Super Skulltag and Doomcenter have spraycans for that purpose.

>>1278573
>during the game knee deep in dead

It is not a game, it is an Episode.
An episode featured in The Ultimate Doom
The Ultimate Doom is what you meant to say instead of "the game knee deep in the dead"

Not to be harsh with anyone, I do REALLY mean it, but sometimes with stuff like this you just KNOW who actually is into Doom and which ones are the casuals

>>1278573
I think you are very confused, anon. Knee Deep in the Dead is the first episode of the game, and you don't face a cyberdemon in it.

You either mean the Bruiser Brothers you fight at the end of Knee Deep in the Dead, or the cyberdemon you fight at the end of The Shores of Hell. Probably the former.

anyone has tried to play a Slaughterfest map with MSX?
shit becomes crazy

>>1278607
if they're posting in this thread, shouldn't we just assume they're into doom and not casual? Semantics really doesn't make someone less hardcore.

Sonic Robo Blast 2 is the best Doom

>>1277562
>edward and his buttbuddies are a pile of dicks, no surprises there.

Tell me the gossip, since I've got no idea who is who. They have done this before?

>>1277960

Has no one built a bar in a doom mod? Does strife have any?

>>1278767
>>1277960
Strife has "bars" and the like, but how much action do you want there?

Stronghold has such an area too where all random characters mill about and you can talk to them in between going on on map raids.

>>1277960
Whodunit had a sweet bar in one of the maps, but it wasn't populated unless it was by players.

>>1278729
I like you. Are there even any other Doom mods that make a platformer of it?

What's the best official map to practice straferunning and/or wallrunning?

>>1278734
Edward850 is a gigantic autist who gets pissy when you suggest that ZDoom's netplay isn't shit (it is for anything over a few friends) and will fight for hours on end and ramble about completely irrelevant shit to "prove" his point.

>>1278795
Jump maps

>>1278852
I see, so does he do this to a lot of people that make new stuff?

>>1278795
You mean like are there maps that include lots of jumping about?

Theres that cyberrunner thing, whatever it's called.
Looks cool as but I have not played it.

>>1278819
Try E2M8 without monsters, there's plenty of space, and long walls; this example of wallruning was done on E2M8:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ7PgOJKbEk

>>1278881
Cool, I'll try that.

On another subject, I'm having two major issues with Chocolate Doom. The first is whenever I alt+tab out of the game, I'm locked into strafe mode when I come back to the window until I exit and reopen the game. The second is whenever I activate SR50 (shift, up arrow, period, alt, and right arrow) the game window starts flickering, causing the game to lag. Any way to fix either of these?

>>1278898
using another port?

>>1278881

I just got reminded of that one comic

I want to make an accurate Penis Inspection Day simulation in doom but I'm worried about how pixelated the genitals will be.

I was thinking of using Strides dialog pop ups for close ups. It'd be like the game Papers Please but you'd sear for poor hygiene, infections, developmental delays, testicles that were too heavy etc.

I thinkit lends itself to coop so a couple players could be different school roles

Has the act of coitus ever been instantiated in Doom?

>>1278961
Well, theres that sprite of Doomguy fucking an imp.

Hey guys what's cooking?

>>1278963

>>1278259
For vanilla compatability, use midi. You could go all out and use a converter to convert it to dooms internal .mus format, but that's not really required unless you're aiming for it to work on ancient versions of the vanilla exes that no one uses.

As for source ports, most of the good ones accept "normal" audio formats like mp3, wav, and ogg/vorbis, so if you're making music for them, you'd do it like any other music.

:: [BE] New York :: /vr/ CC4 Fractal Survival (2 Lives)

Get in here

>>1278898
alt tab is a stupid sdl bug that only exists on windows, every port that uses sdl seems to have it and nobody knows how to fix it. there are a few that have tried to work around it but it always breaks again, somehow.

hold down alt - the game notes you are holding down alt
press tab - focus switches to another window
release alt - the game never gets notification that you have released the key
return to the game - it still thinks you have alt held down.

>>1276885
>An anon put up recently a neat website for everyone to upload wads, go check it here
>http://pseudo3d.org/wads/

My anti-virus gave me a malware warning from visiting there.

From last thread

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/66593-drawing-doom-maps-start-to-finish/
https://github.com/devinacker/dmvis/tree/master/maps/doom

Python script that renders Doom/Boom maps to GIFs, starting from line 0

>>1279241
Your antivirus is just throwing a hissy fit because its run from his private address, theres nothing bad there.

>>1279245
It's pretty cool I have to say.

It gives you a look inside the mind of the mapper as the level was being made, like how they were seeing it in their minds eye and how they organized it.

>>1279241
i just realised this imp is a shop of a character from a KyoAni show, no wonder it's so cute

>>1279262
You got it.

I saw a group of edits once (on Realm667 I think) that showed edits of pic related.

It was all manner of different things, such as "explosives" "large cliff" "rocks", etc.

Does anybody have a link to it?
Much appreciated.

Cacowards/doomworld 20th celebration will be up soonish

/20years is no longer a 404

>>1279289
soonish as in the next few hours?

or in a few days?

>>1279291

nobody know mang

>>1279291

Id say hours, if even.
The last guy on the cacowards writing team resurfaced a few hours ago and submitted his stuff. the dw admins just need to put it all together. the lack of a 404 means they are doing just that.

Id be shocked if they were not up by this evening.

>>1279291

>how soon?

Soon (™)

>>1279295
>>1279321
>>1279292
Guess you could say it's ready...
"When it's done"

>>1279326

Technically they are done.
02:34:31 <Bloodshedder> technically they are up

>>1279289
Who cares, we know all the winners already anyway because some absolute fucktard leaked it. Not since "snape kills dumbledore" has such treachery and fucktarditude been witnessed.

>>1279329
Yeah that was pretty cuntish what he did, assuming it's not a fake.

>>1279329
>>1279331

I think it was a fake, but I dunno. Whoever made it, if faked, did pin alfonzo as the one that was having issues.

>>1279327

what irc server is this in?

I'd like to see a few more award titles given for things, anybody got any ideas?

Coolest concept? Best newcomer?

>>1279342
Most skellingtons.

ooga booga where da cacowards at

>>1279329
>because some absolute fucktard leaked it

Assuming it wasn't fake.

>>1279359
Plutonia wins erry' year.

Hullo
Can anyone point me towards the best way to get Quake working without that horrible texture filtering? Is there like, a standard source port that everybody uses or something?
I also want mouselook if that makes a difference

>>1279380
Engoo is great for a no-bells-and-whistles Quake port.

For a standard one that everyone uses, either Quakeworld or Dark Places.

Cacowards are UP

Lets see what we got.

http://www.doomworld.com/20years/

stuff....

Here are the Cacowards.

>samsara gets multiplayer cacoward

fuck yes
/vr/ is officially on the doom map

inb4 people whine "s-samsara i-isn't a /vr/ m-mod"

>>1279395
I think ultimately it depends on what Terminus says, but I see what you mean.

>>1279384
>Download darkplaces
>get this
Why is this so difficult? I just want to play Quake ;_;

>Samuel "Kaiser" Villareal
>Lifetime achievement

Seems fair to me, making the Doom64 TC alone is some fucking incredible effort, not to mention everything else he's done.

>>1279394
where's project MSX?

>>1279408
on best gameplay mod

Question /doom/, how do you go about hyping a project without being an annoying faggot?

Hellbound only got runner up? Really? That's doesn't seem right.

>>1279421
make a really good one and people will want to play it with minimal hyping
if yr coming with straight pet sounds or 36 chambers nobody will sleep you feel

>>1279421
You can post your work as much as you like in those "works in progress" threads.

Or go to this website
>http://www.wadsinprogress.info/

Which I thought was done for but it seems to be back, I was going to mention it as a "you used to be able to go here".

Thats all I can think of.

>>1279425
>if yr coming with straight pet sounds or 36 chambers nobody will sleep you feel
wat

>>1279397
>>1279395
I remember some anon saying Terminus was building the foundation of Samsara with some other /v/irgins. I still wouldn't call Samsara entirely 4chan represent, but we did play some part in its development and popularity.

How is the Extreme Weapon Pack? I thought pol.wad would have been a worthy contender for the Mockaward, so this got me curious.

>>1279408
It got Best Gameplay.

>>1279421
Take a look at and study the history of some projects.

>>1279419
>Hellbound got runner up
>D2TWID, which is mediocre aside from the secret maps, got a Cacoward
They did this shit last year too, with Beyond Reality missing out on a Cacoward and giving one to Putrefier. Not that Putrefier was a bad map, but it certainly put more emphasis on the SUPER GRAFIX
than the gameplay.

>>1279428
pet sounds and 36 chambers were both fire albums its like if thats the standard your flowing at the player you dont need to worry cause the slime rise :)

>>1279431
Extreme weapon pack is fucking hilarious. I dunno if I've ever laughed so hard during a DM game.

pol.wad is pretty funny but I highly doubt anyone on the Cacowards team would actually get the jokes.

>>1279431
>Take a look at and study the history of some projects.

Its really hard to track down hype from other projects tho, and it mostly seems to be one person from a project posting about it. Whatever.

>>1279434
Ah I get it now.

Yeah seriously, I'm mentioning it again.

WIP- WADs In Progress, it's back.

I thought it was gone since it went for years without an update and I got there and find it's alive again, that's great news since it's a catalog of stuff people are working on and it stays up, complete with pictures.

http://www.wadsinprogress.info/?a=welcome

>>1279441
rev up those big computers and lost UAC machines

>>1279437
>>1279431

pol.wad wasn't nominated. 99% chance it wouldn't have won even if it had been. It's funny but it's not something people at doomworld would get.

>>1279431
>I remember some anon saying Terminus was building the foundation of Samsara with some other /v/irgins

>>1279447
well damn

eat your heart out everybody else, 4chan has stuff to offer

>"We also saw one sad individual masquerading as several authors of a mapping collective, their supposed musician recruit, and a little girl that won Doomworld's heart until his house of cards came tumbling down."

Wow wow wow, what is this?

>>1279438
Well, take more notice of how long a notable project goes in development for, and when it got popular. Analyze Brutal Doom and Samsara, for instance.

Otherwise, make some good maps with interesting archeitecture or weapons that look amazing to use and whatnot, post screenshots here, host development releases for us to play, and maybe host them on best-ever servers on Z& if applicable.

Were you around here when projects like Cyberrunner or pol.wad were in the making? People saw those screenshots and were like 'Fuck man, I wanna play that wad', and then /vr/tualboys were eager as fuck to play some development version to help give advice for a more polished piece of work.

Shit like this, basically

>>1279254
Goddamn. These fucking AV companies are starting to piss me off. Try to make something nice for everyone and now they think I'm up to no good....
Meh...shikata ga nai....
>>1279241
Anyway bro. The sites clean...if you legitimately think you caught something from it, I'm in IRC almost every day and you can come yell at me anytime.
Anyway, because people are so afraid of that AV warning, there's really not much content there because no one is uploading their wads.

Unrelated to the virus scare:

I integrated an IRC client that connects
to zandronum, so getting on can now be made easy for people who don't know how to into IRC.

>>1279394

The fact that alfonzo was out of the loop since November 7th and apparently did most of the cacowards according to kmxexii

>Alfonzo and I had been in contact in the weeks leading up to the Cacowards. He ostensibly had things set up to go, with Xaser taking a more ancillary role as he hadn't spent a lot of time playing Doom this year. Neither had I - after a bout of pneumonia in late June I avoided playing Doom for about four months before coming back into this. Alfonzo was on a business trip since D2TWiD's release and on coming back I guess his internet was fuxxored, with him using a library connection for communiques.

Means the following late nominated/released works probably were never played by the person responsible for the cacowards:

Futility
Lasting Light
Concerned
Mayhem Mansion
Call of Dooty III

>>1279468
actually afaik the only screenshot of pol.wad before it got released was the shotgun privilege on the wall and you couldn't see anything else.

pirate doom!

>We also saw one sad individual masquerading as several authors of a mapping collective, their supposed musician recruit
>and a little girl that won Doomworld's heart until his house of cards came tumbling down.

Anyone care to post details on these?

>>1279464
>>1279494
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/62984-little-doomlings-still-exist-demon-laden-vanilla-wad/

>>1279497
This is so cringe inducing, I need a break just after reading a few lines. Oh my goodness.

I cant bear to finish this, my willpower is too weak but I have to know how it goes, any better details on it than what we saw in the 1 sentence summary of the cacowards?

>>1279497
What in the actual fuck. Sure, we'd all like to be the little girl, but he done gone and did it. At least in his head.

>>1279262
... how the literal fuck can you even tell? It's just a generic anime sameface.

Like seriously. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. I really would like to know how you even came to that conclusion.

>>1279508
Finish it, it's amazing.

>>1279534
Dude, I'm trying to but it's like my subconscious takes over and forces my eyes to squint and my head to turn away.

I've seen some lies unravel in my time but this....I feel bad for him, he could have just made the maps and people would have liked him....

>>1279538
It gets better man, I swear.

It's like watching Curb Your Enthusiasm or something.

>>1279545
I cant, I'll kill myself if I have to read any more.

This is worse than being in a comedy club and the comedian is bombing really hard and you feel sorry for them.

>>1279497

Hhahahahah, Gez is based as fuck

>>1279342
>Best newcomer?

Well, looks like the *do* have that. Sortov.

>>1279579
What does he do?
I could not make it past page 2 of the thread.

>You found this "girl" then on the same day decided to hire her for your doom project and PAY HER based off 1 extremely low quality track that sounds like someone just opened an audio creation program for the first time and face0rolled their keyboard. And in the same day she to not only respond to you but agree to do an entire soundtrack. Can I please have whatever the fuck it is that you're smoking, because I really need to enter a state of mind where that is even remotely plausible.

I can laugh at this exact excerpt for an entire week. Tarnsman might be a little bit grumpy overall but this fucking part, man. This fucking part

>>1279497

I'm at page 5 and I just want it to end. At the beginning of page 4 I would've personally admitted it all.

Not even the Ausfengerber SLIGE wad -or whatever the damned name was- lasted THIS MUCH.

I feel really sorry for Little Temple, he wasn't doing any harm and he got destroyed. :(

OKAY
ONE more question about quake then I'll SHUT UP and go play it

Got glquake working fine, but how do I get the music now? I read somewhere about needing the cd so could I just dl and mount an iso and it'd work? Or is there a patch or something?

>>1279641
You likely got a version that cut the music to save on space.

Go to youtube and listen to the OST there while you play.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9yAT2XwU0Q&list=PL10F5223E1D047844

Have fun buddy.

>>1278346

>>1279497
So I heard the Doom community was full of thieves and liars.

This confirms it.

>>1279638
The lies piled upon lies upon lies is fucking amazing. he is a bad bullshitter but he has spirit and refuses to back down (I haven't finished the topic yet though) It's almost admirable.

>>1279641
Quakespasm can read music files, so you can download the soundtrack, put it in a folder and configure Quakespasm to read it.

>>1279638
>he wasn't doing any harm

Uhhhhhhh he was lying out his fucking ass.

>>1279857
And amused the hell out of everyone by doing that.

The dude has some legit issues but lying on the internet is pretty low on the list of bad things to do.

"FractalDoom+nuts.wad"

>>1279857
What's the harm in that.

>>1279875
go to bed scroton, nobody likes fractal doom

>>1279875
fractaldoom+nuts.wad=picrelated

>>1279886
no it doesn't, fractal doom isn't that crazy

all that happens is you have to alt+tab and kill g/zdoom or zandronum.

stop trying to make fractal doom into a meme like RO

You know, didn't some smug nerd get all up in his anus about how 4chan/samsara wouldn't win any awards? And even faked a leak just to seem cool?

Man. That guy was pathetic.

>>1279890
>stop trying to make fractal doom into a meme like RO
this post has to be some kind of retarded joke

>>1279895

he was 100% right about the rest of 4chan not winning any awards, including fractal doom winning nothing

also they weren't the same guy, I know because I was the one making the helpful public service announcements about 4chan's prospects in the cacowards, which I will continue to do in the future as a service to this community

>>1279897
it isn't, stop trying to push FD = cuh-razy

>>1278597
Que?

>>1279906
I'm not pushing fractal doom you stupid bastard
I replied to that guy making a joke with another joke, simply firing a rocket into nuts.wad with fractal doom in it would probably cause immense frame rate loss
that said, I've never played fractal doom so maybe hitting monsters with rockets doesn't make them explode into other bits, I've only heard about it
I don't know what your problem is, but kids like you really piss me off simply because you disregard any form of logic with your spite

>>1279906
go to bed fag

>>1279916
>I've never played fractal doom

LOL

>>1279917
when you do :)

please stop using foul language

>>1279912

GOR2A0

>>1279895
The leak was too accurate to be fake, though.

https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1265957/#1266492

>>1279923
because mussolini and his mistress invented being hung upside down

>>1278961
I think someone had made a gay furry dating-sim for ZDoom once. I think everyone on the forums was left scratching their heads over that one.

>>1279923
Seems like kind of a stretch.
Creases are different on the pants, etc.

It's possible Adrian may have thought of those pictures when making those graphics, but they're probably sourced from elsewhere.

>>1279924
it wasn't that accurate though

>>1279924
>too accurate to be fake

Uh, no it wasn't.
Dude just listed a bunch of bigname wads from this year.

>>1279890

>>1279941
>>1279962
Who could have guessed Ribbiks for mapper of the year? He is a slaughterfest mapper, whom everyone looks down upon. No, there's no way the leak wasn't genuine.

>>1279992
>Who could have guessed Ribbiks for mapper of the year?

Anyone who played Stardate or Swim With the Whales?

>>1279341

irc[dot]oftc[dot]net

Hey /doom/,i know i made this question before but,have you guys tried to play Project MSX on a slaughterfest map?

>>1280064
It's an excellent way to train macroevasion techniques, but not that fun otherwise. The shield mechanics aren't really suited to massive engagements, and the increased lethality makes it overly hard to survive.

>>1279446
>>1279437
>>1279431

where can I download the /pol/ map? the link in
>##Our WADs can be found here!##
>http://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS
is broken

>pretentious hipster garbage
>the doom community eat that shit up while saying "Doom is an art".

>>1279518
don't know what you're talking about - it's incredibly obvious - look at the last frame of the gif.

>>1279390
>>1279393
Actually looked pretty good.
Was some stuff on there I had never heard of, so I gladly picked that up, I'll enjoy playing that shit over the Holidays.

Also, I remember this from the delays:
Cacowards are delayed because one of the guys had the same thing happen to him as Hulk Hogan.
He diddled his daughter?
He had an engine fire.

Sort of lost my shit at that for some reason.

>>1280173
bald women... yuch

>>1279393
No mention of Herbtech, Primary: Gold or Vanilla Sky. Really?

>>1280173
Yes but it clearly is an anime girl and ergo must be a generic face to him.

>>1280171
Wow.
I had to stop at fighting 2 Cyberdemons at once in a VERY tight square area while they keep respawning in and out of your face. Makes me want to believe this Cacoward is ironic but it's not.

That or the author was trolling
>i'll just use 2 different shade of blue exclusive for a whole wad, came up with the WORST gameplay possible, and you'll see that those stupid Doomers will eat it and call it a masterpiece

Please tell me it's all a troll.

>>1280182
It wouldnt be the cacowards if you didnt read them and immediately think "yeah but where are X, Y, and Z? This is a farce". My first reaction was "WHERE THE FUCK IS KUSOK.WAD"

>>1280171
>using the word hipster in 2013 going on 2014

I'm sorry, but 4chan is 18+ only. Please leave this site immediately.

Say, does anyone have any centered sprites for an old Sten gun, with Doom hands? Preferably with the hand under the gun, not gripping the magazine.

>>1280221
I mean the design could pass off as "okay" I guess, but the gameplay is like he was trying to make really bad, but JUST bad enough to keep going in the hope it gets better

>>1280218
Are you playing it on UV? Because the author ramped it up like fuck for hard difficulties.

>the combat in hellbound was boring
You dun fucked up doomworld.

>>1280227
I'm playing on the recommended setting, HMP. I was just telling myself there was a worse one and I don't even want to imagine seeing it.

I'm not joking when saying this is one of the worst wads I've ever played. Even the most basic uninspired unoriginal Doom level WILL be fun because it's fucking Doom, but this?! This is a torture wad.

I played Stardate20x6 on ITYTD!

>>1279394
MUH MEGAWADS

Kmxexii a shit.

>>1280232
Get gud.

>>1280230
It was fucking awesome vanilla and with Project MSX.

One of my favorite level sets this year.

>>1278346
wad?

>>1280250
I knew someone would say that. Shit design is still shit design no matter how good you are

>first map : lasts 30 seconds, no enemies, nothing going on.
So, it's like there was no map at all
>second map, nothing fight huge waves of the most annoying enemies in confined area, nothing, fight huge wave of the most annoying enemies in a confined area, nothing
>the map gives you TONS of health and ammo, then fight a Cyberdemon with a horde of barons while 2 revenants shot at you from where you can't reach them, while being on a very tight corridor with NO way to take cover (btw neither can you reach the cyberdemon, either, so you're forced to play in the unique one way the author intended, making the gameplay very one dimensional and giving it ZERO replay value but it's not like i was willing to ever replay this anyway)
>then nothing, then again the way the author sees "balance" is giving you 200 HP / 200 ARMOR and 80 rockets, then fight 2 cyberdemons in a very confined square area with walls close up to you so that rockets dmg you even when they don't hit you, while the cyberdemons keep spawning out of the area to fuck you even more from away unexpectedly JUST to respawn right into your face not even 5 seconds later

I have seriously NEVER seen gameplay this bad in Doom EVER. Its mindblowing how a couple of waterfalls and shiny lights in two different shade of blue can turn something into a masterpiece.

>>1280314
>>first map : lasts 30 seconds, no enemies, nothing going on.
>So, it's like there was no map at all
Aliens TC did this too but there was nobody complaining.

>>1280314
>>1280232
>>1280228
>>1280218
>>1280171
>i cannot handle tough wads and so i will bitch and cry about how much i suck

>>1280314
Wasn't the cyberdemon fight the one that they actually complained about, if I'm not mistaken?

Also, wasn't it the fact that you had to ______________________________________________________________________________________________________get gud_________________________________________________________?

>>1280314
>so you're forced to play in the unique one way the author intended, making the gameplay very one dimensional and giving it ZERO replay value

Best wads to play Hexen/Hexen 2 with?

>>1280314
Gosh, easy there. Go unwind, darling.

>>1280330
>>1280335
>>1280339
>>1280356
>>1280359
In other words, all you can say is "you suck" because you have no zero counter-argument.

Simply because no counter argument can be made to that.

Because void followed by fighting Cyberdemons in a 10 meters square area can't be defended.

>>1280375
But anon, it's not like you got gud, besides, I hardly hear people cry over Plutonia, and that wad certainly fucked you in the ass in way that are questionable.

>>1280361
Maybe I should be more specific, the best gameplay wads.

>>1279446
>>1279437
>>1279431

where can I download the /pol/ map? the link in
>##Our WADs can be found here!##
>http://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS
is broken

>>1280375
>In other words, all you can say is "you suck" because you have no zero counter-argument.

No, I say "you suck" because your whining about how you're reacting to a challenge is funny.
I'm not here to discuss things. I'm not under any obligation to deter your discussion with counterpoints of my own.

I'm here to laugh at you.

>>1280387
>best gameplay wads

Samsara or Hexercise are pretty much the only options for Hexen.

>>1280391
static.best-ever.org/wads/pol_v1.0.wad

>>1280402
that's broken too

>>1280408

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pol.wad

Hi

>>1280596
Hi.

>>1279473
Wait wait wait hold a god damned second here.

Futility was nominated?

>Additional Credits to: Anton Szandor LaVey (Founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible) for the idea. It's on the cover of his Satanic Bible.