/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-The past Tuesday marked the 20th anniversary of the release of the shareware version of Doom; join us in the celebration of the most extense modding community ever in gaming!

-No sign yet of the Cacowards; the latest official word is that one of the members of the comitee was suffering "technical difficulties", but nothing else. In the meantime, stay alert for any updates!!! - http://www.doomworld.com/20years

-Samsara is getting BIGGER, BADDER and BETTER. If I were you, I would keep track on future news.

-OBLIE's developer (andrewj) stated that the final version of it will be released by the end of the year (most likely this month). However, this doesn't mean we can't play with the most recent version. Go grab OBLIGE v5.10 (WIP) here http://oblige.sourceforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=289

If you haven't noticed yet, I moved the News section to the 2nd post. Regarding this change, I made this poll. It will last the entire bump life of this thread (500 posts)

http://strawpoll.me/850506

Also I did this other poll regarding the /idgames torrent

http://strawpoll.me/848293

If you want it to be shared with more people around the community, pick Yah
If you don't want to make people angry at Doomworld and create drama regarding its sharing, pick Nah

This second poll will last until 11:37AM central time

I missed out on celebrating Doom's 20th birthday yesterday. Is there any way to redeem myself?

Lets post some cool architecture to get the creative juices flowing.
>Sorry, this is all I got - and it's from last thread

>>1265980

>Is there any way to redeem myself?

Attempt to play any WAD on Nightmare
Share a story about how you discovered Doom
Play a randomly selected wad

I dunno

>>1265982

>>1265987

>>1265994

so did you guys hate /g/.wad or something

>>1265997

>>1266004

havent played it properly yet, but man you surely put a lot of effort in it, congrats!

>>1265994

As always, I forget some important shit

John Romero shared a lot of pics regarding the development of Doom, here's a link to all of them for anyone who want to dump them here (warning, might get a duplicate error due to the past thread not dying yet)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nen4gn7nk07o30g/Doom%20Unseen.zip

Also he shared two videos. One of them is a compilation of what was shared on a big screen during a private LAN party he had

http://vimeo.com/81533772

And also did a co-op run with a lucky member of IGN, the video can be found here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUU7_BthBWM&list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1

>>1265980
We forgive you bro, s'all cool.

>>1265987
>>1265994
>>1265997
Thanks for these, I hope there's more from others.

>>1266005
>>1266004
I didn't know it was out.

>>1266012
I hope arabesque architecture counts.

>>1266017
Sweet.

So, did John Carmack do anything for Doomsday?

>>1266013
>>1265986
At least I was powering through Return to Castle Wolfenstein, too bad it was at the worst time

>>1266020
It's quite magnificent, but it requires some knowledge of 3D floors and slopes to do it justice.

Crucified Dreams is absurdly sexy mapping, if you guys want to check it out.

>>1266024

he did an interview, not sure where the link to it is, I lost it

>>1266020
replicating that in doom would be pretty hard

>>1266026

>>1266019
>>1263132

>>1266017
do you maintain the pastebin file? if so could you put the wad on there? thanks!

>>1266026
>Crucified Dreams

Which maps are the real standouts?
I never do multiplayer so I just downloaded it and nextmaped all the way through seeing how stuff looked.

>>1266035

>>1266035
God I hate rooms like this.

They look awesome IRL, but when you translate them into a game, they turn to shit because of things like playerspeed.

You never really notice how small real buildings are until you map them to scale.

I'm liking the architecture pics.

soon

>>1266040
I was gonna post more images for map inspiration, but I couldn't find any more right now.

>>1266038
>Which maps are the real standouts?
Couldn't say, I don't multiplayer, really, just look through them in singleplayer, they're fucking gorgeous.

Anyone know of good wild west maps? Been looking for maps that'd go well with The Gunfighter.

>>1266139
There's pretty much just Boot Hill and that other .wad, really, they're alright for their day, but their age also shows.

Someone should make a real Western .wad, with proper stuff in it. For instance, I'd love a percussion cap revolver in Doom. Or hell, just an old Single Action Army done right.

>>1266040
The way the ceiling and windows come together at a right angle that's slanted compared to the floor is a work of art. It's unsettling just to look at. 10/10 would be unnerved by in DOOM.

>>1266106
Don't Forget
You're Himpy
Forever

...

>>1266156
In terms of gameplay, The Gunfighter has it. It feels western as hell. I was just hoping for proper maps to go with it.
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=38579&p=727040

>>1266195
>ugly pre-rendered weapons with cartoony outlines
eeehh

It seems like it was fun to work at id in 1990.

>>1266276
I think a lot of smaller developer groups made of friends were fun to work in by default.

What are some good wads with custom enemies/weapons?

>>1266286
TUTNT
Demon Eclipse
Zen Dynamics

>>1266286
Like, a wad that has both custom weapons AND enemies, or can they be individual wads?

Either way, Project MSX adds both new weapons and enemies, it's got some elements of newer games while keeping the same classic gameplay, and ramping it up to Sanic speeds.

Psychic is just new weapons, the gimmick with this one is that enemies you defeat drop tokens which can be used to buy psychic powers, powerups, and new weapons, along with upgrades for those weapons.

Crossfire adds perks and experience based leveling, all new weapons and enemies, and ramped up, faster gameplay.

>>1266276
I've been reading up a little bit about Diablo lately, I get the impression that it was a small dev team. Now they're no more, and Blizzard has raped their legacy.

>twf there's probably never going to be another videogame with the same grimdark gothic atmosphere as Diablo.

>>1266296
You know the original team makes the torchlight games, right?

>>1266293
Thanks.

>>1266295
Campaign wads.

>>1266338
You might also want to look at Soulcrusher.

I think it's a bit underappreciated.

>>1266338
Ah, Campaign wads, gotcha.

SoulCrusher, BGPA Liberation Missions, Cold As Hell, and Winter's Fury are all fantastic.

>>1266296
There's actually a sort-of sequel to Titan Quest that's going to be all grimdark gothic.

What are some good wads to play with ww-nazis (aside of Epic 2)?

>>1266296
>yfw grimdawn is tq combat with diablo art and monster design style

>>1266425
>tom hall busting some sweet moves.gif

I really don't like how this charging method works.

Hey, one of you guys must have Twitter. Ask John Romero if he's got the source code to the DWANGO client/server.

>>1266459
Metroid Prime Wad?

Just thought I'd let you guys know that a mostly complete list of cacoward winners has been leaked:

Regular Cacowards:

BTSX
Hellbound
Pirate Doom
Stardate 20X6
Unholy Realms
D2TWID
Concerned
Forsaken Overlook
2 UNDECIDED (why the cacowards haven't been posted yet)

Multiplayer: All Out War 2

Gameplay: Project MSX

Mordeth: ZDCMP2

Mockaward: Mayhem Mansion

Mapper: Ribbiks

>>1266492

>Mordeth: ZDCMP2

The funny thing is, at this point it has reached non-mordeth status and if they ever decide to call it a day, it would win a cacoward for sure

because that thing is so fucking great

>>1266496

Yes, eventually.

>>1266494
Speaking of Mordeth, is Mordeth itself actually still happening?

>>1266492

what about runner ups and ho(rr)norific mentions, m8?

>>1266492
If they have trouble deciding, I'm going to recommend that Zygo faggot and his shittastic abortion .wad, clearly the turd of the year.

>>1266498

haven't heard anything about those, so presumably up in the air

>>1266492
>Multiplayer: All Out War 2
Hahahahahahaha you had me up until there.

>>1266503

They stopped doing the worst wad on the grounds that it promoted too much faggotry. See: doomguy2000.

>>1266505
Damn shame, they had a great candidate this year.

>>1266492
>has been leaked
Source or GTFO.

>>1266506

Won't be the first time they picked a stinker if it's true. They've awarded it a bunch of times (sometimes consecutively) to "10 good maps and 26 shitty maps" 32in24 #

>>1266513
Seconding this

>>1266492
>Mapper: Ribbiks
With each of his map releases I become increasingly certain that Ribbiks is Insane_Gazebo (original author of Sunder.wad).

>>1266492
SF2012 snubbed. Why am I completely unsurprised.

What would we call the vr awards if we ever did them?

>>1266492
WHERE THE FUCK IS KUSOK.WAD

>>1266486

Not sure yet. Maybe.
I'm just trying to replicate things first, then we'll see where it goes from there.

>>1266568

Seriously man, the SF series is the most tangible evidence of the unexcusable abuse of the BFG mechanics in Doom WADS

A RED BFG WITH INFINITE AMMO? Really?

>>1266571

Crafty Goddamn Murder Mentions.

>>1266571
Awarding Skeleton, obviously.

>>1266571
The /vr/ awards.

>>1266571

"Nobody Cares"

I'll let you autists piece together why.

>>1266578
Agitating Awards maybe?

>>1266574
>A RED BFG WITH INFINITE AMMO? Really?
Which is only featured in the secret bonus maps in slots above above 32 that only don't crash the game by chance?

Many of SF2012's maps should win awards for architecture alone. Look at MAP28 "Slaughtenstein", for example.

>>1266574
>>1266568

Shh, let him dream. Someday they might get the recognition for killing monsters with the tactics that were meant to be used for Dooming!

>>1266492

/vr/ wins nothing
how very expected for
a bunch of autists

>>1266492

>mfw /vr/ wins no cacowards

we should bomb id headquarters in retaliation

>>1266571
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAgitating Rewards

>>1266581
Oh man, you really told em' bro =D

>>1266575
This.

>>1266584
Too forced.

>>1266580
Too obvious.

>>1266578
Eeehhhh.

>>1266574

>A RED BFG WITH INFINITE AMMO
>Poor man's Russian Overkill

Why doesn't this surprises me? And then again, this was all made with Dehacked. AT LEAST, things like Sunder and the Hell Revealed series had actual gameplay and certain strategies to follow.

But people just won't learn and they abused and exploited every feature possible. Dat shit ain't doomin

Guy new to the doom threads here; it seems like you guys are focused on modding a bunch. I've not modded for Doom before but I've worked with the build engine and have 12 years of coding experience.

What would be a good project you gentlemans would like to see?

>>1266596
Why is that pic scaled up so obnoxiously?

>>1266613
some people think making images bigger = funnier. it only rarely works with reaction picture closeups.

>>1266608
Make a simple map, worry about scripting later

>>1266608
wat a faggit leave plz thnx

>>1266572
>>1266486
Hmmm. Does Prime count as /vr/ material?

>>1266608 (You)
hi DKG

>>1266620
Nah, has to be 1999 or older. Though I feel old knowing Prime is 10+ years old, goddamn.

>>1266623
10 years is nothing children. I know it seems like an eternity when you are a kid though

where the whodunit server at

What if Power Pete was in the Doom universe?

>>1266605
>Dat shit ain't doomin
Are you seriously suggesting that there is a right and a wrong way to play the game? On this board, where people constantly argue that jumping and mouselook are fine as long as the map is designed for them? How is that any different from using the BFG to excess on maps designed for excess BFG usage?

Also I would like remind you as well that, as posted here >>1266585, the pink BFG is only available on super secret levels only accessible by the command line. All maps in regular slots are "like Sunder and the Hell Revealed series" and have "actual gameplay and certain strategies to follow".

Any news on 32in24-13?

>>1266649

Released

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1221500#post1221500

>>1266654
Oh, sweet. Have any /vr/etards contributed to it?

>>1266658

I was about to get one map done, but then I tested it and HOOOOLY CRAP it was so shit

Also it doesn't helped that I wasn't that much used to map in only 24 hours. I need time for that shit

I remember someone made a captian king mod, the first version from 2001, had all only pistol, shotgun AR, sniper rocket, and plasma.

shame

did anyone make a needler or sticky grenade mod?

>>1266572
I wish they was a powersuit samus body pillow.

samus+doomguy

>>1266492
>All Out War 2
That shit came out fucking years ago, why would it get a caco award?
I'm still mad about whodunit getting a cacoward despite being 4 years old.

>>1266658

>32in24-13.txt
>MAP05: "Pepper Your Angus" by Scroton

>>1266679

Muh nigga.

>>1266716
that face is wrong on many levels

>>1266613
I got the original.

>>1266492
>Multiplayer: All Out War 2
>not Samsara
>not even 32in24-13
Shit Doomworld, what are you doing

>>1266480
p-please respond

>>1266807

For what purpose would you want it anyway?

>>1266812
Curiosity. Completeness.

>>1266785
dat file name

>>1266296

Play Path of Exile.

It's free. It's supported by ethical microtransactions that don't impact gameplay. Despite this, it looks, sounds, and plays better than most high-budget retail games. Made by a very small, indie team. It's the real successor to Diablo.

>>1266825
>Slow as molasses
>No interesting skills
>No dangerous enemies whatsoever except in the final dungeon
>Items are very very boring like Diablo 3
It's a very poor successor if it's supposed to be one.

I wonder how Adrian managed to put color in the scanned pics of the clay models

>>1266831

>Slow

Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk0Ga4Ztze0

>>1266831

Did you just play on Normal one time or something?

Or miss things like the passive skill that gives you only a single hit point? Or converts all your mana into health?

>>1266838
>scanned pics
I thought the camera was directly feeding into a computer

>>1266862

Yes, of course; but I mean, the clay model's color is uniform, except for the small red cables that conform his exposed belly and the uncovered parts of the wooden "skeleton" that was covered with the clay (that later was disguised as a metallic extension of the cyber, Adrian you clever bastard!)

How did they even managed to get such a clean resolution for each pose of the clay models?

And 20 years later, he said the line spontaneously. The origin of this excerpt is the playthrough he did with a dude from IGN.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0kXga1p48M2

Feel free to mimick what Bobby Prince did back in the day!

>>1266897
He's pretty lucky that no sufficiently crazy psychopath has taken that instruction literally.

>>1266871
That picture might be before they painted it?

If you guys need a break from Doom, just so know the Steam version of Duke Nukem 3D now supports workshop. You can easily play usermaps with it now.

I've uploaded the 2 single player maps I've worked on if you guys are interested, they're called Galbadia and Sin Center. Pic related.

Meanwhile I'm still playing Back To Saturn X episode 1 for Doom2 and it still kicks ass on every single aspect.

>>1267172
Link to workshop : http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid=225140

and here is a pic of Saturn X, I love this wad

>>1267172
Does it finally support multiplayer ?

>>1267186
Yes but it's in beta atm. I haven't tested it yet because for some the steam version of Duke lags like hell on my computer now even though it used to be fine. I have also made 2 deathmatch maps, called Canyon Bunker and Atomic Bunker, also on steam workshop and moddb

>>1267175
And what is this nice wad in your pic ?

>>1267227
Are you blind?

>>1267227
Back To Saturn X: episode 1, i like it a lot but it does get repetitive half way through but I play it 2-3 maps at a time anyway

>>1265973

Well

>Should I post the /idgames torrent on /t/?

Yah - 30 votes (79%)
Dun care - 7 votes (18%)
Nah - 1 vote (3%)

I guess it has been decided then. I'll try to contact someone so he does the job of preparing a post

Also a reminder that the other poll is still going and will last until we reach 500 posts

DONE WITH FINALS, TIME TO DOOM

I've seen an increase lately in the use of voxel models.

Is there anywhere where they are all collected just to look at?
I'd like to know if there is a space shuttle one.

>Didn't realize that DOOM turned 20 two days ago even though I had just re-read Masters of DOOM last week.

I am disgraced.

things aren't looking like anything before the 24th is likely

>MAP21

God, it's only going to get more boring from here I presume?

DOOM2 is so lazy and bland compared to DOOM... The level design is so stupid it feels like Romero mapped each level in 5 minutes.

>>1267304

>Shotgun Frenzy

I seem...to understand why would they debate over it and AOW

Also, the scubabitch is back!

>>1267307

Romero only made six levels, and considering that he was too busy deathmatching and talking to the press at the time he probably did make those levels in five minutes.

>>1267307
You should see map 24

>>1267304
>all out war2/shotgun frenxy(?) alfonzo or esselfortium(?)
>Blah blah blah blah placeholder
>literally two paragraph long blurbs not finished

>>1267307
Sandy Peterson made Nirvana.

>>1267317

Oh god I hate the Chasm.

>>1267317
>>1267323
I dont mind it actually
:3

>>1267315
Circle of Death was a great map though, I must say.

Why is The Chasm not liked?

I spose it is a change of pace.....is it just those balancing sections?

>>1267326

Don't you mean 'O' of Destruction?

>>1267304

who are you and how did you got access to this?

>>1267330
Circle of Death is the level name.
O of destruction is the name in the automap.

>>1267304
>WOOO
My nigga.

>>1267307
Yup.
I'm amazed people can find Doom 2 better.

>>1267304
>Doom 2 the way id did.
Really? Is shit.

So this is another DOOM related website that I have never heard of before (not that I go looking for them) and found by accident.

http://www.teamhellspawn.com/index.htm

Thought I'd share it.

Alright fellas, currently we got the following non-official Samsara classes:
>Caleb (Blood)
>Blake (Blakestone)
>Ipfreely (ROTT)
>Katarn (Star wars, Shadow of the empire)

Which class do YOU want to see next? Lo Wang from Shadow Warrior? Or someone else?

>>1267313
>Also, the scubabitch is back!
He better start working on AD2 expansion pack.

>>1267347

do they work with the most recent version of samsara?

because playing an outdated version just because of >muh caleb seems retarded as hell

>>1267350

>scuba
>doing or working on anything

heheheheheheh

>>1267347
Lo Wang would mean all 3 build engine games characters are in, so maybe him?

Duke, Caleb and him would put a fair bit of noise into a server.

Failing that, Strifeguy?

>>1267350
>>1267313

He pops up for the cacowards and then leaves, he's been in the last two cacowards.

Also

>mayhem mansion
>strikingly original

it's a recreation of a weird fps using resources ripped from the weird fps.

What is the best wad review site?

>>1267347

Eh, I'd rather see Caleb, Freely, and Black fixed up because they are really unbalanced against the official roster in terms of damage output and damage in-take

I guess I'd like to see Jon from Powerslave/Exhumed in there, I feel that his stuff could be implemented without having to exempt his weaponry or skills (outside of fixing up his grenades because holy Christ are they fucking awful in the dos version)

and while Lo Wang could be cool I feel that you would have to take away some of his stuff, the main thing being the ripper heart since being able to summon 1 - 3 nearly indestructible rail-gun wielding wangs, who can bounce around maps at light speed would break shit a bit too much

>>1267371

Doomworld's WAD & Mod subforum

Yep, they can be harsh, but they will tell you the truth

Also kmxeii or whatever has a blog where he posts reviews of maps and stuff

>>1267347
>Which class do YOU want to see next?

Caleb, Blake, and Freeley are utter shit and it astounds me that people keep using 0.28 and ignoring updates to play them.
It's like ZDoom Wars all over again.

>>1267374
>its like zdoom wars all over again
care to explain?

>>1267371
Onemandoom.

>>1267376

ZDoom Wars is an RTS-esque mod I worked on that lets you command the enemy factions of each idtech1 game against each other.
People made a whole bunch of custom factions for it, and oftentimes would simply refuse to play the newer versions (with changelogs reaching into the hundreds of entries, fixing crashes, exploits, and other vital shit) just because the Duke or Caleb hadn't been updated.

>>1267386
>muh addon classes
thats pathetic

>>1267346
>doom voxel project
>try it out
>this is pretty awesome
>get rocket launcher
>firing rockets out sideways
the laughter cannot be contained

Damn Scythe 2 is fucking hard.

>>1267456

>>1267456
>>1267474
yeah it is a bit mental towards the end

also those damn plasma marines

>>1266331
it's not the same brah, trust me, I tried.

>>1267359
>strangling a skeleton

>>1267373
>Yep, they can be harsh, but they will tell you the truth
>Doomworld

I get the impression from reading some of the stuff there (and newstuff chronicles) that sometimes they be harsh to things just to be edgy jerks because they want to feel like they're Yahtzee.

Then posts are taken up more with badly put together insults trying way too hard to be funny and shit talking instead of "i like it for [x] but not for [y], maybe try [z]?"

I've seen better comments for things on Zdoom forums.

Welp, it has been decided, I'm going to try to make this in clay.

I was planning to create a full monster, but imma try this to see if I'm at least that gud at making clay models

>>1267508
he's breaking it's neck

>>1267526
Wouldnt making the original cyberdemons rocket launcher be easier in clay?
Has more flat surfaces n' shit.

Not saying change your mind, just expanding a point.

>>1267530
that's even more pointless

>>1267540
>breaking off demon heads is pointless

>>1267542
>tall skeleton
>a demon

>>1267545

Are you trying to make the argument that skeletons are not, in fact, demons?

>>1267545
>revenants
>not the demons

>>1267545

>>1267548
>>1267549
I'm not trying to make an argument, I just think strangling a skeleton is pointless, then some jerk says he's pulling its head off
you know revenants are probably normal size
doomguy is a midget, he's like 5' 2

>>1267553
>some jerk

why are you getting all ticked off you were corrected
also, revenants are just really tall

>>1267553
Please, everyone knows that the Revenant hitbox is actually shorter than their graphic, Doomguy would have NO problems reaching that neck.

>>1267410
until the fix get into either the pastebin this will keep happening oh well

fixed with 2 extra voxels, armor bonus & barrel
http://www.mediafire.com/download/szrq6z9l6dz392m/hellspawn%2Bvrstuff.pk3

the above minus the barrel voxel if you fin it ugly
http://www.mediafire.com/download/1qip10z0twt7mj3/hellspawn%2Barmourb_1.1.pk3

>>1267561
>get called a jerk
>call someone mad

>>1267565
he'd be hitting its... it would be the head

like I said, I wasn't looking for an argument or discussion, so just let that be the end of it
whenever I make a quality post, usually helping people, it gets ignored, whenever I make a crappy post it gets replies
I do not appreciate this

>>1267574
at least you know that your posting was crap

>>1267579
of course I do, it was its purpose
now it can all be erased and I get to feel better

>>1267542
Well, what's holding the skeleton together anyway? There's no flesh or muscle there, the thing shouldn't logically be able to move around in the first place, much less stay assembled when there is literally nothing holding the bones together.
I doubt snapping a bone would make much difference.

>>1267597
it's magic, i aint gotta s'plain shit

>>1267597

>Well, what's holding the skeleton together anyway?

~*~*hell magic*~*~

In Doom 3, they had a sort of aura or some shit

Quake was better

>>1267626
Yes, for multiplayer.

>>1267347

BJ Blazkowicz must appear. The fucker thinks that fighting on the front lines counts as r&r

>>1267628
BJ is already in samsara

>>1267626
I respectfully disagree.

>>1267626
you convinced me with that opinion

>>1267628
he's already in samsara

>>1267628
>BJ Blazkowicz must appear

Have you ever played Samsara before?

What the fuck is Samsara?

>>1267648
Super FPS Bros.

>>1267649
lol, that's actually a pretty good description

>>1267678

>>1267678
>Dat Romero.

>>1267678
heh

>>1267678
His fucking face...

>>1267678
In what extremely limited knowledge I have of programming, reading about the problems Carmack solved with the tools he had you see he really is a fucking talented programmer indeed.

>>1267726
he's a genius

>>1266496
I think its on the unreal engine now

>>1267742
Oh yeah, if there's ever a nuclear war, we gotta stuff him in a bunker somewhere, fuck the president, Carmack can provide something.

>>1267742
I'm glad he's on the Occulus, that thing might not be the real VR we've been waiting for but Carmack is sure going to push it further along.

>>1267745
Hahaha, oh wow.

>>1267678
thx bud.
Only 8 left

>>1267481

plasma marines are what nightmares are made of

silent death at mach 5

Would someone with far more actual spriting talent than me add some chest hair to this baron, please?

Feel free to take my request or not.

>>1267857
What color would you have the hair be?
You'd have to do it veeeery lightly too, otherwise it'll look overdone.

>>1267862

shit, I almost forgot that thing. My plan was to use the same color as the legs, since they're hairy goat legs

>>1267794
>RIP AND TEAR YOUR GOATSE
>[DENY] AND [DETAIN]
>BANZAI
>FORTY CAKES

Is there a way to know if it would be legal to include assets from a game in a doom WAD?

Pic related, I love it's music.

>>1267906

There's no way to know, but nobody's been foxed over a Doom mod for a long, long time.
Go ahead.

what if doom but goomy

>>1267918
>for a long, long time
So someone actually HAS been fucked for that? I've never hear about it in that case.

Really I wouldn't be afraid, it's normal, just don't try to sell it.

>>1267918
Knowing my luck I'd use it and then a publisher would be like "this is the guy we're going to make an example of!" and then you'd see me in world news and I'd be in front of a big panel of judges and they'd be like "it is the view of this court that you map like a fag and your shits all retarded......i sentence you to death by firing squad".

>>1267929
>not just escaping like B.J Blazkowicz
>not punching out everyone
>not stealing all their loot
>not defeating the judge with his twin miniguns
>not reporting back to the allies
Son...

>>1267925
Pokeman doom weapon set
>fist is regular doom guy throwing pokeball
>pistol is a sling with a pokeball
>chaingun is a gorrillion pokeballs in a line
>shotgun shoots 3 scattered pokeballs
>super shotty shoots a gorillion pokeballs
I have no clue for the rest,

>>1267957
I did see a pokemon doom thing being worked on at one point on the Zdoom forums.

You would capture demons and level them up and then attack other demons with your captured demons.

>>1267957
BFG fires a pokeball that releases a Snorlax that flops onto enemies, and the shockwave damages all enemies in sight.

>play /pol/ WAD
>this happens

Welp.

>>1267945
>>1267929
>not gaining the spear of destiny
>not spraying popcorn everywhere

>>1267994

Load Samsara first, then Naraka.

>>1267982
mind to ask,how the fuck do you play samsara nakara[the enemies mod]?
when i run it,it says "Script error, "samsara-naraka-v0.12b.pk3:decorate.txt" line 1:
Parent type 'DoomguyPlayer' not found in DoomguyDharmapala"
what is going on?

>>1267996
gonna try that

>>1267794
Somebody on /v/ made this abomination

>>1268001

>>1267982
Nice repost

Hey guys! I heard you love my maps.

>>1268032
No, but your city has amazing music.

>>1268007
thanks

>>1268032
Learn to detail, good grief.

>>1268032
Not as much as you love Pepsi.

>>1268038
>>1268034
>>1268042
What was the fat fuck's least shit map?

>>1268032
Your maps aren't pretty, but they're fun as the devil, and that's what counts! Also, you're the coolest Mormon next to John Moses Browning.

>>1267304
>not even a mention of /vr/ projects

does doomworld hate us or something?

>>1268046
To be fair he did a fuck ton of Doom/2 levels, like House of Pain or Dead Simple; both of which I love.

>>1268000
i tried it and it still appears that script error

>>1268058

if one of the polls posted here is to be believed, we're almost 40 mofuggas

and give me a break, this board is 9 months old, people is still learning how to map

>>1267304
>No Mockaward for pol.wad

Oh well.

>>1268058
It's likely that they aren't as well-known to the rest of the community, or either that they dismiss them just because they're of 4chan origin.

Samsara got mentioned in the same year Brutal Doom got a Cacoward, though.

>>1268065
I always thought we were like 50, not too far from the real count.

Soon I'll be posting my first map ever finished; all this time learning will be worth, I hope.

>>1268058
>thinking it's not faked

>>1268065
>>1268070
>>1268072

I just can't believe Samsara didn't even get a mention. I mean, I realized there was a good chance it wasn't going to win because of when work on it started, but I have no idea how they're even considering giving it to AOW2 or SF when both of those are older than Samsara and not anywhere near as good. I mean I could see something not as good but released this year winning because of how awards are given, but if they're going back to pick an older mod and completely skipping over Samsara it just makes absolutely no sense.

And fractal doom, while I didn't really expect it to win, doesn't get a mention while "The Bird" does? Shit it got nominated by people from doomworld more than The Bird did (not to hate on The Bird, mind you.) Are there people at doomworld that would get buthurt at the author's other work and are on the Cacoward or is this just oversight? I really can't tell especially since it looks like the Cacoward team doesn't really have it's act all that together organization-wise, so I could see some stuff slipping through the cracks.

Also, while I know scuba steve knows his doom, >>1267360 makes me lose a bit of faith in how thorough his review process is.

For the regular cacowards they seem to have their act together, though.

>>1268058
It's like >>1268065 said.
We're a pretty young board.

I'm sure some of us are working on some p cool WADs.

>>1268070
>or either that they dismiss them just because they're of 4chan origin.

This is what would annoy me too, if I make a map and say "thanks to 4chan /vr/ for helping me along the way too" I'd get some fuckheads being like "Durrr evul 4chan's comin 2 git meeee! durrr it's all evil and racist and everything i dont like!" because they watch too much fox news or browse too much reddit.

>>1267926
20th Century Fox sent a C&D to the guy who created the Aliens TC, which is where "foxed" comes from. At this point doom modding is old as shit and the community is relatively small, so it's pretty worthless to send a C&D now. Besides, wads have been using textures and sprites from various games almost as long as the community has been around, not to mention lots of lots of MIDIs of metal songs. No one really gives a shit about going after doom modding anymore.

>>1268106
>lots of lots
lots and lots, sorry

>>1268104
After this, this idea >>1266571
seems really good if /vr/'s future work won't be even considered for cacowards. At least, it will be something for people to be inspired and try to achieve an award for their work.

>>1268097

well, scuba's style of reviewing things is strikingly similar to the past stuff he has wrote for the cacowards before.

it has to be too much of a hassle to actually attempt to replicate his style just to ruse a small group of doomers like us

>>1268108
>>1268070

Someone said last thread that Tarnsman deleted his stream of pol.wad where he was taken aback by the custom monsters, so certainly there are some people on doomworld that get really butthurt at that sort of thing.

AFAIK though Tarnsman has nothing to do with cacowards, and I'm not sure if anyone would link pol.wad with fractal doom, considering there are people on this board that don't know they're by the same person.

That Samsara would end up affected by that in any way seems even less likely.

>>1268106
>20th Century Fox sent a C&D to the guy who created the Aliens TC
He finished that though, didn't he?

>>1268128
>Someone said last thread that Tarnsman deleted his stream of pol.wad where he was taken aback by the custom monsters, so certainly there are some people on doomworld that get really butthurt at that sort of thing.

Christ alive some people are pathetic, it's not like the necronomicon where once you play the game and see something that is not very PC then suddenly you'll be taken over and your whole personality will radically change.
In the spirit of the whole "games are art" movement then take it as art you really dont like. Not that I want to have that debate.

>That Samsara would end up affected by that in any way seems even less likely.

Maybe, but Naraka has Hitler in it so you might get some speds whining but since he's so well established as an *enemy* in Wolfenstien it would probably pass.

>>1268058
>>1268104

Let's be honest, fractal doom really isn't in the same calibre as the rest of the mockaward contenders, and even less so for the gameplay mod contenders. I enjoyed playing it a couple months ago like a few other people on /vr/ but you have to look at it objectively.

Also samsara got mentioned in the 2012 cacowards. Though I'm in the same boat and I don't understand why AOW2 or shotgun frenzy are being considered but not it.

>>1268153
I thought Fractal Doom was more like a cool gameplay mod instead of a mock/joke mod.

>>1268160
The only thing it really has going for it is its humor. It's a pain to play. The weapons need to be better balanced because shooting demons that spawn demons with vanilla weaponry is fucking impossible except in a 6 man game. And the mini things that spawn have way too much health.

>>1266816
The original was "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAA"

>>1267794

>>1268223

Thought it was Garret for a second there

>>1268167
>>1268153
>The weapons need to be better balanced because shooting demons that spawn demons with vanilla weaponry is fucking impossible except in a 6 man game. And the mini things that spawn have way too much health.
>I enjoyed playing it a couple months ago like a few other people on /vr/ but you have to look at it objectively.

It's been updated a whole lot since a couple months ago.

How does this make you feel?

>>1268257
dyke/10

>>1268257
that i wanna unleash the rage of /v/ on the tranny

>>1268258
It's a man in drag.

Reminder: Report and ignore /v/ shit.

>>1268264
This isn't related to Doom?
>>1268257

>>1266679
Can't you find a good picture and order one custom printed?

A friend of mine said he was going to get a Gaben one.

>>1266906
Nope, there are some pictures of the model recently that were posted last thread. It's falling apart and was never painted.

>>1268283

They did not showed the actual look of the cyberdemon model, the one that was falling to pieces was the one of the Baron of Hell

>>1268058
>>1268104

>why aren't /vr/'s pet projects being given the same unwarranted adulation in the real doom scene as they are on /vr/
>waaaah

/vr/ hasn't existed for even 1/20th the time that Doomworld has been active. The number of people that have ever visited /vr/ isn't even a fraction of a fraction of the number of people that are active //right now// on Doomworld or even ZDF. For fuck's sake >90% of the people that frequent /vr/ weren't even //alive// when Doom was released.

Maybe when /vr/ has been around for 5 or so years you guys can think about //possibly// having one of your projects mentioned in passing in the Cacowards, and if you're really, really lucky something might get an honorable mention. But until then you're a bunch of petulant entitled children whining that their special uniqueness isn't being properly recognized.

>>1268304
//ok//

>>1268308

Sorry for not realizing your doom site doesn't use even the most basic of formatting, I thought this was 2013 but I guess it must be the mid 90s.

>>1268314
4chan hasn't needed text formatting in 10 years, why should it have it now?

>>1268304
shut the fuck up the cacowads should be about the best material out there, not who you are jerking off in the doom community.

>>1268314
>4chan
>doom site

>>1268317

My mistake, I didn't realize that 4chan was beyond silly western web design with it's enlightened Japanese sensibilities. Next are you going to tell me that katanas are superior to brutish European sword design?

>>1268304
>it's not the quality of the content that matters, it's how long you've been around
forums in a nutshell

>>1268314
This site is fine, it serves its purpose a lot better than a shitty forum where regs slap each other in the face with their posting boners. I think you just need to get the fuck out if you dont like it here. Id rather not turn this place into some stupid bloated shit.

>>1268326
I'm sorry you can't even draw a comparison here. This is the perfect image board, you don't like it because it doesnt have cool features like a post count so everyone can know how 1337 u r rite?

>>1268304
>>1268314
>this faggot

>>1268326
>changing the goalposts
You're not at home here, fag, either learn to adapt or hit the road.

If you can't convey your thoughts without italics and bold text, then you probably shouldn't even be online at all.

>>1268323

Cacowards are a recognition of continued and consistent excellence and contributions to the Doom community, not just how many linedefs and textures and new monsters you can cram into a single map. Mapping should be like a classical concerto, where the test of skill is how well you can bring the timeless work of past geniuses to life, not obnoxious rap, techno and reggaton which is what the kids these days are doing.

>>1268336
You really should crawl back under the Web 1.0 stone you came from.

>>1268314
Welcome to 4chan.

>>1268330
>I'm sorry you can't even draw a comparison here. This is the perfect image board,

/b/ - Random
/h/ - Hentai
/hm/ - Handsome Men
/lgbt/ - LBGT
/s4s/ - Shit 4Chan Says

I don't know how you can claim this when this is the kind of shit that's on your website. /s4s/? And you guys have the gall to call doomworld full of sensitive anti-racist liberals? Seriously?

Reminder: report and ignore

>>1268346
So there's suddenly something wrong with porn and homosexuality? My my, what a bigot.

Keep moving them goalposts instead of defending your initial argument by the way. I can hear you sweating all the way over here.

>>1268349
>>1268349
>>1268349
>>1268349
>>1268349

>>1268346
Get out.

and now, for my next trick, I'm going to make this shitposter disappear!

>>1268346
>Thinking /s4s/ isn't a meta-circlejerk taken to levels over 9000 for shits and giggles
>Mentioning the world renowned shithole of /b/ and taking it seriously
>Whining about the porn sections that have absolutely no connection to the single doom thread in /vr/

Nice b8 m8. 10/10 would respond again

good work mod

get rid of >>1268257
>>1268258
>>1268261
>>1268263
>>1268265
while you're at it

Can we get back to Doom, please?

I'm looking for a texture wad, I remember it was only posted on doomworld forums, I think, and was a collaborative work of a lot of people, so It has more than the average quantity of textures than the ones you can find in realm667.

I know it is a vague description but if any of you know of this, please let me know.

>>1268373

Community Chest 4 texture pack, perhaps?

>>1268361
Would you? I'm really tired of this bigoted fag, I want to talk about Doom.


So, what're y'all your favorite weapon .wads?
I always liked Diaz, but I'm still left wanting contemporary weapons.

Great work mods.

>>1268374
I feel like such a retard now that I remember it.
Thanks sir, you've made my day.

>all this deleted

Anyway, happy 20th birthday DOOM


I like this level

>>1268396
You're like 3 days late, but yeah, it's been 20 good years.

Also, you're gonna hate E4M2.

>>1267456
I always found the scythes to be interesting.

Its pretty standard challenge for the first 20 levels, then by the 20's, the difficulty spikes so hard.

>>1268412
You're goddamn right.

What's the most impressive Hell-themed map you've played?

>>1268454
Quite honestly? Doom 3, Hell was one of the things they got really right, like the kickass chainsaw.

>>1268437
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5LL6FIAv0

>tfw nobody wants to play video games
ur all fagets come git sum

74.103.204.116, 32in24-13 with ww-nazis-v2
will fite any nerd that wants to fite

bring latest gzdoom devbuild and make sure port 5029 is opened

>>1268561
Is it possible to finish these maps without BFG? I finshed Scythe 2 a while back and my BFG was out like 90% of the time, then a 9% the Rocket Launcher, then 1% the rest.

I'd really like to see one of these maps without BFG usage.

>>1268579
>Is it possible to finish these maps without BFG?

Heh....

Heheheheh....

People would shit on you if you don't include a BFG in any slaughtermap ever, or if you happen to disable monster infighting

>>1268593
Well of course, but I didn't expressed myself as I meant to. Apologies.

What I meant was that if someone was capable of such a feat; finishing a slaughtermap without firing a single BFG shot.

>>1268593
>disable monster infighting
That's among the worst things a .wad can possibly do.

>>1268604

pardon my audacity to suggest such a feature, but I actually want to kill every single monster in a map, not to take advantage of a feature and get 100 kills by sheer luck

Is /vr/ archived?
Is there a way to see old threads or deleted posts?

>>1268613
archive.foolz.us/vr/

>>1268610

>100 kills

*100% kills. Sorry, a typo

>>1268613
foolz.us

>>1268593
>>1268579
Yeah I think BFG's in slaughtermaps CAN be overused sometimes, but I mean it's a BFG what can you do?

Custom weapons can be cool sometimes, I remember trying out Russian Overkill in Sunder and man that was cathartic to just blast so many things so easily, or trying out superweapons from Realm667 (nuclear missile launcher) but many mappers dont really like using custom weapons too much.

I think there is a line between a good slaughtermap where you have the BFG out all the time - and where it's just stupid mindless hold down the trigger BFGing, maybe because it's too easy, like you're not still having to worry about where the monsters are, what the terrain is like around you or having to dodge incoming projectiles.

I'd like to know a better yardstick of that though.

>>1268610
It depends, Sunder has areas where it's assumed you're taking advantage of monster infighting and it's a means of having the player control his resources.

See this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erOmEwHKD5E

Sunder map "The Furnace".......as the player starts he uses monster infighting so he does not have to shoot and he can conserve his ammo for the threats later on so he's not left with his pants down.

<BlazingPhoenix> I've been to /vr/ and /tg/ and know well enough not to trust 4chan posts. :V
<TheDarkArchon> Basically, just because things from 4chan are true once in a blue moon doesn't mean most of what's posted there is true

Well, fuck both of you

Has there been any map packs that utterly abuse 3d floors to the point to where it's a mutilated corpse with amazingness inside?

>>1268652
I thought Archon was a cool dude.

>>1268614
>>1268618
Thanks guys.

>>1268652
I'm hoping I can make a really kickass WAD and when they're like "OMG Cacoward of the century!" and then I can come out as being from /vr/.

>>1268652
That generalization sickens me. It's like saying every single post in Reddit contains "le".

>>1268654
3D floors are not so bad, just another potential tool in the box for making a cool wad.

Or do you mean has a mapper made a 20 storey high tower with a spiral staircase in it?

>>1268662
Yeah, keep dreaming, man.

>>1268662

when I win my cacoward I'm going to tell them to suck my dick for being such nigger faggots

also LOL at these faggots in #zdoom, I'm trolling them so hard and they're all such fucking idiots, especially WildWeasel that huge fucking faggot asshole bitch nigger

zdoom forums is for fucking idiots LOL

LOL

>>1268668
I'll fight for the rights of 4channers to be 4channers everywhere!

>>1268669
Ok man you're really not helping my case here.

>>1268669
Scroton doesn't namefag, retard.

>>1268669
Fuck off retard.

>>1268671
To be perfectly honest, you sound like a tremendous faggot.

>>1268674
I'm talking facetiously but I guess implied body language and tone of voice are not being implied well enough.
Funnily enough though on the topic of people being like "ugh, /vr/ is 4chan, they're all terrible" we still have the same attitude here towards /pol/ everytime the /pol/ wad is mentioned.

Not that I support serious talk about that boards topics outside of that board, that's just a commentary on the same issue within 4chan.

>>1268675
But the difference is that /pol/ are demonstrably faggots, otherwise they wouldn't leak all the times and have a persecution complex like furfags.

Ideas are ten a penny. Anyone can write a few paragraphs talking about their cool idea. Anyone can even write up a design document going in-depth about their cool idea, how it would work, and how it would be great. And they might even be right.

But here’s a harsh truth.

Stephanie Meyer’s Twilight is inherently better than any of your book ideas because it actually exists and people read it.
An EZBoard Naruto RP is better than your homebrew modern-fantasy campaign idea because it actually exists and people play it.
Doomguy’s Warzone 2000 is better than your super-fantastic Devil May Cry-esque class mod featuring magic, swords, and guns because it actually exists and people play it.
Super Mario Bros. Z is better than your super cool crossover fighting flash because it actually exists and people watch it.

Anyone can come up with a good idea, the question is if they can be executed well. Because if they can’t be executed, they’re just fleeting “would be cool” thoughts that will just be gas in the wind.

So how do you execute them? By working on them. If you have an idea, I challenge you today to make a short design document detailing how it would work. If you already have a design document, find or make some sprites. If you need a map, make a short room in a map.

It will be painful.
You will have plenty more ideas you will want to do. You will want to work on them instead. This idea will get cold and stale. You’ll hit walls you don’t know how to overcome. You will get depressed because you don’t know if it will be worth the pain in the end. You will wonder if there’s better things you could be doing, if it will be a success or if you’ll languish in obscurity.
It will be painful.

But it will also be worth it.

>>1268676
It's not like liberalism's a disease. It's not like white guilt should be a crime.

>>1268679
>thought crime
Nice doublethink, nigger.

>>1268680
It's not like being sorry for being white is immoral.

>>1268676
>But the difference is that 4chan /vr/ are demonstrably faggots, otherwise they wouldn't leak all the times and have a persecution complex like furfags.

Just keep up the petty, broad generalizations and rationalizations m8

>>1268683
Because /vr/ leaks into /pol/ or other boards all the time?

>>1268678
I dont know who you're talking to but I've already drawn up many of the areas of my map.

>>1268665
Pretty much anything that actually utilizes 3d floors, but the tower of power would be nice to see

>>1268685
I've seen it mentioned now and then on other boards, yes.

It's more referencing your broad opinion of something and then hardening that opinion and then rationalizing away why you dont have to address criticism of that opinion in the same way BlazingPhoenix and TheDarkArchon generalize 4chan and by extension /vr/ by implying all of us here as lesser people because we posted on 4chan.

>>1268693
daww, thanks mang ;3

>>1268687

glad to hear, and keep up that pace, man

>>1267514
happy birthday Mr.Green-marine

>>1268697
Sauce

>>1268703
its a WIP,
I /request/ it from anonymous drawfag.
Surprise didn't see that much doomguy art.
Also think she deserves the original Green Marine, he's huge you know what that mean.
Dont hate, I like both games (CE mainly). Doom is best though.

would the mac port of gzdoom have the same level of functionality as the windows or would i be likely to run into wads that are only compatible with the latter? i'm not sure when the mac version was updated last

>>1268710
Took me a second to realize that's Cortana. I approve.

>>1268715
i request halo 1 cuz she is best.

God I never had so much fun in multiplayer its years since i touched skulltag...well Zkulltag

>>1268718
I dunno I prefer Cortana in the other Halo's over Halo 1, but she's still pretty nice in Halo 1.

>tfw no Halo's multiplayer will be as good as 3's

alright /vr/, give me the longest megawad you know of
HUGE MAPS
ASSLOADS OF ENEMIES
but it has to be vanilla, no custom enemies or weapons

>>1268725
>but it has to be vanilla, no custom enemies or weapons

Vrack2Biggest
Deus Vult MAP05
Holy Hell

>>1268725
Eternal Doom.

>>1268719
she is hotter in rest (mostly 3) but i felt she was more of an AI in 1.

>>1268727
>>1268731
I dont mean the vanilla doom engine, I mean no new enemies or weapons
I wanna test out a gameplay mod with it

>>1268725
Anyone has that weird mega wad with tails, link, duke, doomguy in a large base 32 maps and 1 huge HQ.

>>1268736
In the books, other AI's mention that they don't want to end up like Cortana, and they generally aren't as "Human" as she was.

>>1268738
>I mean no new enemies or weapons

... Those maps I mentioned do not have any of that shit

>>1268725
Armadosia, 32 levels and most of them take over an hour to finish. The only megawad I've done where the intermission screen total time went over 24 hours.

>>1268739
i liked that but from the first 3, i felt she did stuff like AI , or more like a battle partner you know?

others she still was,but felt she pointed out the obvious more and was their as the sexy girl.

>>1268738
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_VQ7bVyj0c

>>1268749
Well, she wasn't really present for most of 3, wasn't in ODST or Reach, Halo 4 she still has basically the same job as 1 and 2, keeping the Chief informed, and saving the day in the end.

>>1268725
Gothic is pretty huge

>>1268751
I didn't like 4 that much.

>>1268754
Nobody did. Halo 3 has more players online than it currently, and the campaign was very "Okay". The promethean enemies killed any desire I had to replay it though.

>>1268756
Halo 4 was a Metroid Prime rip-off,which is ironic because the art director of Metroid Prime[After he left retro] worked on the game
sage for not retro and not doom
going back to doom,what .wads use both music and SFX from Doom 64?

>>1268725
Chillax
New Gothic Movement
Combat Shock 2

Im not sure if they completely vanilla, but they are in terms of enemies and weapons, at least from what I remember.

>>1268773
>New Gothic Movement

I can confirm, that wad has no new enemies or custom shit

>>1268770
>Ripoff of Metroid Prime
u wot m8? They're two different games entirely. The only similarity is some of the aesthetics of the levels and enemies, but that's really about it.

>>1266004
Anyone got a link to it or what?

>>1268032

>d2twid can sandy petersen better than sandy petersen

>>1268814
it was a real mess they hired cod/non-fans/hater playtesters for feedback

>>1268819
Yeah the CoD shit they added to multiplayer just totally ruined it. It only took something like a month for the player count to totally plummet.

However, 343i admits they fucked up, and they apparently have a new creative director on board. Hopefully 5 will be an improvement.

Anyways, Doom stuff. Why the fuck do I have 14 different save files and growing in my folder when I have like maybe 5 saved games total? Does it make a new save file for autosaves too?

>>1268814
Many Halo fans accuse literally every other sci fi related thing a ripoff of Halo. That said I've never played either Halo 4 or Metroid Prime.

>>1268819
>they hired cod/non-fans/hater playtesters for feedback

Ugh, why do so many companies hire these dropkicks.
Probably because they're the most vocal and clamor to be testers who just say "Oh yeah I love [franchise]!!" so they can get their foots in the door.

>>1268824
Probably for the different IWADs you use.

Petersen > Hall > Romero

Discuss.

>>1268831
I like all the levels except for The Pit and Monster Condo.