/vr/ - Retro Games

fake.

>>1265713
Except it isn't

This is shaping up to be much better than Sonic 1 Remake. Possibly better than Sonic CD 2011, too. Maybe the first time in a while I'm actually kind of excited for a remake.

>>1265729
Is it a full port like the CD one?

>>1265729
>Except it isn't

Doesn't really matter. The level design is done by the fanbase who is coding the engine, so it'll most likely suck.

>>1265910
>The level design is done by the fanbase
This is what gets me. I want to the play the Hidden Palace the designers had in mind. Same for those other scrapped levels.

>>1265919
It would be impossible now. Sega doesn't keep track of betas.

>>1265990
I know, and it makes me sad.

>>1266018
In one of the collections, Yugi Naka was going to add the Sonic 1 beta for free, but it turns out it was stolen at a press convention long time ago.

Why is that important? It was between the transition of this picture and the final story. The cart exists somewhere. But it could be ANYWHERE, even destroyed.

>>1266032
I wish it was on some Chinese ROM site like the Sonic 2 beta was.

>phones only
zero hype op.

>>1266032
the earliest sonic rom is just them testing uneven grass. i don't think anyone knows if the super early concept art stuff made in into a game at all

>>1266032
Were having backups not common back then?

>>1265910
The level was half finished in one of those betas or whatever anyway.

I mostly want to know what they did with the special stages. They massively improved the ones in CD and Sonic 1 just by having proper scaling and having them run at a constant 60fps, but what exactly will happen with Sonic 2's? Everything was pixely and choppy and gross in Sonic 2, and scaling couldn't change anything except the scaling of rings and bombs in the distance.

is it a FREE download? I dont want to pay a dollar. that is how cheap i am.

>>1266137
Oh. Looks like it's 3D.
I'm okay with this.

>>1266063
Not as common as you might think.

For example, do you know why Sonic 1 GBA turned out to be a massive failure? The source code for Sonic 1 has been lost over the years, so they had to re-code it from scratch.(You can see the result)

Many developers like Sega and Square lost most of their development stuff, which is biting them in the ass now.

>>1266167
Square's loss of FF7 assets is notorious. Its why there will never be a "FF7 HD".

>>1266164
>>1266137
So am I just bad at those or Is Tails just the biggest pain in the ass?

>>1266171
Tails does nothing but grab the rings you miss and lose those rings only if he gets hit -- which you wouldn't have gotten if you were playing with either Sonic or Tails alone anyway.

I really don't get why people get all uppity about it.

>>1266170
It's still possible, it will just be a lot more work and will most likely have to be a full remake.(which is one of the reasons why Square Enix is so reluctant to do it)

>>1266170
They could actually put in some effort and remake the game from scratch, rather than just putting in already existing higher resolution versions of assets.

>>1266171
He's the biggest pain in the ass, especially since merely having him with you raises the ring limits significantly.
>>1266175
See: above.

>>1266170
At least they're not like Capcom, where they actually HAVE the assets from the original games. Did you know they keep their uncompressed backgrounds and sounds from most of their RE games in a fucking vault and just let them sit there?

wow, get excited for rehashed sonic 1 levels, shitty romhack-tier extras and filler!

>>1266175
Just the special zones or whatever. I like having him around for the rest of the game.

>mfw Tales balls up and gets some ridiculous 6 hit combo on Robotnik in the casino night zone and takes him out single handedly.

>>1266196
>rehashed sonic 1 levels
Oh good, it's this retard again. Thread wouldn't be the same without you.

>>1265910
>The level design is done by the fanbase who is coding the engine, so it'll most likely suck.
Is the implication here that the engine sucks and that therefore you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

>>1266198
>mfw Tails jumps into the boss making me fall through him while he's invincible into lava or a bottomless pit

Think we'll see the lost zones in the 3DS remake which I hope we're getting with added 3d gimmickness? Because I'd need that to justify my 6th purchase of Sonic 2.

>>1266209
No. The SEGA 3D Classics are all about accuracy.

>>1266214
That's fine, I was lying to myself, the 3D gimmickness will justify my purchase.

>>1266223
Yo, Space Harrier 3D kicks ass

Wake me up when it comes out for a platform with real fucking controller, not this touch shit.

>>1266303
Ouya.

>>1265707
>No PC release
>Not even a fucking rom
No fucks were given today.
>Get hype!
You won't even get a fake yay out of me. Fuck this phone horse shit with shitty controls.

>>1266317
I hope that was intentionally a joke.

>>1266032

Wasn't the Sonic 2 beta cart that became known as the Simon Wai one also stolen at an event?

>>1266325
>2013
>Not being Moga master race

>>1266436
>master race
Poor bait.

It's out.

Dev post:

>Alright, so, here's a thing

>Version 3.0.0, out now on iOS, actually has a few noticeable bugs that managed to slip through the cracks during the final push. We caught and were able to fix them before release, but not before approval. Due to the way the updates process works, the fix had to go into queue instead of directly supplanting the original submission, and should be along shortly. As for the Android version, the first release should already contain these fixes

>This doesn't stop progression or anything, but I figure you guys might want to know ahead of time that you might notice a few issues on the initial iOS update rather than leaving it as a surprise. To the best of my recollection, these include:
>- Access to the HTZ boss is blocked, though the level can be completed
>- One of the achievements will not unlock
>- Hidden Palace will not be added to Time Attack when it's completed
>- There are some inconsistencies in reported stats for 2P vs mode

>>1266167

Flashed ROM carts were expensive as fuck. Especially for third parties (Nintendo especially charged a ton of them and they were full of valuable as fuck tech. It was actually quite common for Nintendo and Sega to have a huge security presence at CES just in case people tried getting funny and stealing one). And a ton of them were re-used simply because it was cheaper to just dump the data and re-flash the prototype carts.

Storage was ridiculously expensive as well with ZIP Drives. Floppies were sometimes used but most of the time developers used really expensive storage.

I think it's important to realize the context of the time was all about saving cash any way possible because they didn't actually make much money and how budget constrained these people actually were (I think Sonic 3 and Donkey Kong Country were the first times a game actually hit the seven figure mark for production budget)

If they had of known how valuable it would have been, they would have made an effort. But considering how cost cutting development got back then. I'm not particularly surprised and I don't think anyone should, really.

>>1265729
>Maybe the first time in a while I'm actually kind of excited

again, the cycle is bound to happen

>>1266436
>claiming the worst controller as master race
tee hee

>>1266114
>The level was half finished in one of those betas or whatever anyway

Nah, it had 1/3rd of act 1 done, and even that was a completely linear route without any actual challenge.

>>1266206
>Is the implication here that the engine sucks and that therefore you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

Being able to code a good engine does not mean you can also design a level that is fun to play. My hat is off to the programmers who recoded everything from scratch; but designing a level is a COMPLETELY different task.

>>1266170
>Square's loss of FF7 assets is notorious. Its why there will never be a "FF7 HD".

FF7 HD will never exist because it is a happy happy fun game with lego figures, completely different from the modern emo pretty boy image they gave Cloud.

If anything, they could make a Lego FF7 though. That could be pretty fun.

3D SS is a shit.
Hidden Palace is a shit. And I don't need it anyway.
Hidden Palace boss ia a shit.
Glitches everywhere.
Taxman and Stealth fucked up this time.

>>1266963
>Glitches everywhere.
>Taxman and Stealth fucked up this time.

>>1266726
>>Version 3.0.0, out now on iOS, actually has a few noticeable bugs that managed to slip through the cracks during the final push. We caught and were able to fix them before release, but not before approval. Due to the way the updates process works, the fix had to go into queue instead of directly supplanting the original submission, and should be along shortly. As for the Android version, the first release should already contain these fixes

>>1266921
And then there's this retard.

Is this shit out on Android yet?

>>1267048
Yep. I'd wait a few days as now is the "everyone tell us bugs so we can fix it" part, though.

>>1265919
>This is what gets me. I want to the play the Hidden Palace the designers had in mind. Same for those other scrapped levels.
I don´t understand why you people cry about these "lost" levels. Sega reused some of the concepts in S3&K.

>>1267048
Bought it on Google Play a couple hours ago, plays fine on my Galaxy Nexus, no bugs yet!

>>1266963
>3D SS is a shit
There's no way it isn't significantly better than the special stages in the original game unless they REALLY fucked up somehow.

Is there any footage of the game up anywhere? I need to see these special stages in motion.

>>1266963
Unfortunately I have to agree. Like Sonic 1, it's still more of a port than it is a remake. They just ported the original game over to a new engine without adding much extra content. Not really worth it if you already own the original game. I now regret hyping it up >>1265729

I hope SEGA stops with these stupid fan ports soon so we can finally get the Adventure games on mobile. They've already done Crazy Taxi and JSR, so why not?

>>1267163
>I hope SEGA stops with these stupid fan ports soon so we can finally get the Adventure games on mobile. They've already done Crazy Taxi and JSR, so why not?
What the fuck makes you think these are preventing that?
Why the fuck would you want more lazy shitty ports of Adventure and Adventure 2 rather than remakes of the good Sonic games? Haven't you noticed that the more the Adventure games get ported, the more sound issues and dumb glitches there seem to be?

>>1267176
Because the Genesis games have already been ported a million times and there's still no proper way to play the Adventure games on the go?
>b-but I don't like them
Then don't play them

>>1267176
Dreamcast is retro

Deal with it

>>1267196
>the problem with your line of reasoning
If you don't like the remakes then don't play them.

>>1267206
I'm not saying they aren't. How did you even come to that conclusion?

>>1267176
>>1267207
/v/ pls

>>1267210
>ask how these remakes of the classic Sonic games are preventing lazy ports of the Adventure games from happening
>point out dumb flaw in reasoning

>GO BACK 2 /v/

>>1267176

>>1267196
>>1267206
>>1267210
>>1267217
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
I have explicitly said fuck all about the quality of Adventure and Adventure 2. I didn't say they were bad. I didn't imply they were bad. I think they are both okay, but not nearly as good as the classics.
What I AM saying is that the ports of these games are awful, and manage to keep piling on more and more sound issues and bugs. These games get worse and worse the more they are ported.
And could someone please for the love of god explain to me how these remakes of the classics are stopping SEGA from porting Adventure and Adventure 2. I'm seriously wondering what the train of thought it here.

>>1267229
Usually when people compare games like SA1/2 to the classics in a negative light, oftentimes others just assume they think they mean they're shit.

Also I dunno, the Steam port of SA2 seemed fine to me.

Also, how do I get Hidden Palace?

>>1266949
>the modern emo pretty boy image they gave Cloud
I don't understand. Why was he so emo? Why was everyone wearing all black? Why did Cloud keep spacing out at important moments? I watched that crappy movie, but it didn't explain much of anything. I never want to play a FFVII remake if this is how it's going to be.

>>1266963
>Hidden Palace is a shit.
>Hidden Palace boss ia a shit.
Is the level design terrible? What is the boss like?

>>1267368
>The level entrance is located where the dreaded spike pit was located in Mystic Cave Zone. Instead of leading to an inescapable pit of spikes, the pit is now a transition point to Hidden Palace Zone.
I guess it's a good place to hide it.

>>1267407
>Is the level design terrible? What is the boss like?
The level design is a mess compared to the official ones.
The boss has a mechanic similar to the Hidrocity fight, with a trombone twist.

>>1267609
Damn, I need to see a video of that boss.

>>1267394

>>1267729
What happened to him?

>>1266921
>>>/v/

>>1267737
Most people, including SE, forgot what VII was actually like. The Compilation stuff and other appearances of the VII cast are pretty much based on fanfic versions of the characters now.

>>1267737
SquareEnix catering to "hardcore FFVII fans" that have never played FFVII itself and know everything about it and it's characters from what they have seen from Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts. Those people are responsible for the post-FFVII emo-Cloud.

>>1267712
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cG3ZWCvr38

It's neat, but it DOES feel too complex a pattern for a Sonic 2 boss.

>>1267809

>>1267923
It's interesting, but it feels out of place. It's better than the other fan Hidden Palace designs, but that isn't hard to accomplish.

>>1267804
oh no, people already saw him as an emo kid way before Advent Children. AC was just the start of Square themselves portraying him as an emo pretty boy.

>>1267923
The level design looks fun actually - other than the fact that it has too many wide open spaces, which only work because of the larger screen compared to the Megadrive games. You couldn't see where you are going with that design on the MD.
And why is it playing the Mystic Cave 2p music? That's pretty damn bogus considering it has its own theme song still present in the Megadrive final game.

That boss looks very damn boring and slow paced though. It's like something from Sonic 3, not 2.

>>1267923
Lol robotnik is playing his own music in that battle, but damn does his theme in 2 kick ass,

Just seems too slow paced. I felt that while 2 had bosses that could take forever, they all had quick win gimmicks.

>>1267981
I would be emo too if I had to "bathe" with men and crossdress just to rescue some whore.

>>1267729
>I will finish zipping up my shoes when you zip up my wounded emotions

That line will never not be funny to me.

>>1267987
Don't remember that part where he fell into a magical river and became a drooling retard for a while.

HIS LIFE IS SO DIFFICULT AND FULL OF WOE
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

>>1267407
>>The level entrance is located where the dreaded spike pit was located in Mystic Cave Zone. Instead of leading to an inescapable pit of spikes, the pit is now a transition point to Hidden Palace Zone.

... ok, now THAT is a piece of genius right there.

>>1268075
It's not like that's the first time he was a drooling retard.
Everyone's life in VII sucks ass.

>>1268083
>Everyone's life in VII sucks ass.

Except Hojos. His job involves getting women fucked by a dog in the name of scientific interest, and then he chills on the beach surrounded by bitches.