/vr/ - Retro Games

Look, I know this is /vr/ and all but I'm a Japanese->English translator and it's not even debatable that the PSP translation is far and beyond superior to the PS1 translation. The original is just awful in terms of translation. But the original is better than the PSP version in that it runs at a fast speed and sometimes your party members will shout out a quote before their action. The extra jobs they added in the PSP version aren't that great either and aren't worth the effort. So really, from a translation perspective I support the PSP version but on virtually all other characteristics the PS1 version is overall better.

>>1258667
Wait until you get Thunder God Cid. This guy can pretty much solo fights.

>>1258694
Sure the original translation was written by a team of monkeys with typewriters, but I'll take its ineptitude over the PSP version's gagworthy faux-Shakespearean babbling any day. Plus, the sheer cluelessness of the original translation gave us a few lines of unintentionally awesome dialogue (see: OP, "Surrender or die in obscurity!")

Also,
> tfw we will never get FF Tactics II, combining the streamlined interface and clan system of the Tactics Advance games with the dark fantasy setting of the original

>>1258736
So what you're saying is that you're an idiot.

How far in are you?

>>1258905
Because fantasy nerds trying to write Ye Olde Englishe dialogue makes me gag? Sure.

>>1258932
Just finished the prologue chapter. I think the farthest I've ever gotten was up to that multi-part battle in a library(?) or something, with all the lancers. That was from one of my files back in high school.

>>1258969
Ah, the monastery. Yeah, the last battle in there can be a real pain.

>These retarded trial and error boss battles
>Shitty boring classes with few perks
>Retarded names
Game is mediocre as fuck and infinitely inferior to Tactic Ogre: LUCT.

>>1259103
>fagdicks ogre
>no strategy required, just make everyone archer
>useless classes that are dead before even coming within range
>grand names such as Folcurt and Lanselot

>>1258748
It's not dark fantasy, what the heck are you talking about? It's high fantasy.

>>1259196
I haven't played tactical RPG game where AI wasn't retarded and you actually needed some strategy. At least LUCT has lots of classes, awesomest vidya music, great characters and intresting plot that can be played from different angles. This is why I also love Shining Force 3.
>Folcurt and Lanselot
>Not awesome names
Delita, Ramza, Mustadio, Rapha are retarded names, on par with FF5 names like Bartz, Galuf and Faris.

>>1259236
>At least LUCT has lots of classes

Unless I counted wrong LUCT has 19 playable classes, FFT has 21.

>awesomest vidya music

Are you saying the FFT soundtrack is bad?

I like both games, but these two points are pretty silly to me.

>intresting plot that can be played from different angles

Valid point, I did love that you could play different story possibilities, added more replay value.

>>1259272
Well, I've played remastered versions of these games, so I don't know shit about original ones, but according to guides, LUCT: 32, FFT: 28. It's not like "more means better"(it's 4 difference anyway), but I felt like FFT had more tight and harder conditions to unlock them, compared to Tactics Ogre. FFT soundtrack isn't bad, but I really liked only one music track: character preparation screen, others were pretty mediocre. While more than half of TT music is memorable and sends chills down my spine.

>>1259103
On the other hand, Ogre Battle > Tactics Ogre.

Tactics Ogre and FFT were both made by Matsuno anyway, why bother arguing about which is better?

FFT was originally going to be a side-story to the Ogre Battle Franchise before Matsuno moved from Quest to Sony, and they used the idea and re-labeled them. Which is why the plot-line of FFT follows so similarly to the plotlines of other Ogre Battle game, most notably the plot of Person of Lordly Caliber.

>>1259297
It just tickles me that people praising FFT while it's not that good. And when someone talking about Tactics Ogre, it's always compared to FFT.

>>1258932

>>1258667
FFT is loads of fun if you recruit a full team of people and name em after your buds and not use any of the plot characters besides ramza. Makes it a little bit harder and more enjoyable to me. I really like the game personally and have beaten it a couple of times, has a few hard battles and with a team of generics you actually have to work a lil harder to keep them alive

Just bought vandal hearts recently and, while simple, it's pretty fun. The sprites are a bit cartoony.

>>1259327
Opinions are not universal. There are things you like that others think are terrible.

>>1259343
Exactly what I did, and I loved it.

How's the PSP remake?

>>1258709
Pretty much, from the moment you get him you only need to use him.

T.G Cid is the right kind of broken, all of the pub rumors and bios say he is the greatest living swordsman in Ivilace and when you get him he lives up to the hype and starts crushing things left and right

>>1259418
I enjoyed it, they added a few things and you can play bro-op.

>>1259414
Except my opinions are right.

>>1259461

>>1259464
>Delita
More like "delete it". A faggy game.

>>1258748
>clan system

Fuck that.

>>1259461
Except its not, because opinions are not facts. Opinions can be based on a fact, but in this situation there are no facts to back up your opinion.

The first time I played FFT I got my shit wrecked because I had no clue what I was doing, and I said it was a bad game. I picked up TO and I had more of an idea on how to play it. I got further in TO and enjoyed it more, so I called it a better game. Took another shot at FFT and now that I know what the fuck Im doing its just as good as TO.

TL;DR
FFT & TO are both equal games, they excel at and suffer from different things. The game you pick up to play should depend on what you want to get from it.

>>1259717
What was wrong with the clan system? It wasn't really any different than a party system.

>>1259740
>FFT & TO are both equal games
TO is clearly better in many aspects and suffer from less problems.

>>1259327
FFT has a more interesting, more inventive setting than TO. Gameplay-wise, FFT has nothing on LUCT or even Knights of Lodis, though.

>>1259347
Vandal Hearts has great music and lovable spritework. Vandal Hearts II has stupid gameplay, but the story and music easily rival any Yasumi Matsuno work, even though it's obviously inspired directly by it.

>>1259759
>picked them both up on the psp,
>no major problems with either one, aside from the hand full of broken classes.
How exactly is TO "clearly better" when they have to be approached with different strategies?
like >>1259768 said, if you are looking a better setting/story FFT is the game, if you want better gameplay pick up TO.

>>1259740
Opinion is when I prefer TO music or character names over FFT ones. But maps variety and size, more accessible and customizable classes, non-retarded boss battles and great plot is what makes Tactics Ogre great game, and Final Fantasy Tactic a mediocre one. The only reason why people keep praising FFT is because it's their first tactic game, so nostalgia goggles plays a big role.

>>1259776
>better setting/story FFT is the game
What? The story in FFT is linear and shallow, and brings mostly "nobles vs peasants" dilemma. Setting can be thrown into "opinions" (but seeing seriously toned plot, but wuth kawai chocobo riding knights was awkward as fuck).

>>1259771
Yeah, the sprites are definitely growing on me, especially the different class designs. I may pick up the sequel, but I also bought Legend of Dragoon and gotta force myself to stay focused on it before I buy any more rpgs.

As for FFT, I do enjoy it, but boy did FFTA for the gba blow me away when I played it. Not sure if that's taboo or not on this board, but the story in that one really drew me in.

>>1259832
>I may pick up the sequel

Do yourself a favor and don't. Vandal Hearts gets worse with each game.

>>1259838
Haha, noted.

I really like FFT. I really like TO. Stop arguing, you cocksuckers, they're all good in their own right. The fucknugget who criticized the Alexander O. Smith and Joseph Reed translation of WotL can fuck right off, though.

I really liked FFTA too, it was a cool little game and a great attempt at bringing an SRPG to a mobile platform. Of course it was streamlined, but its integrity was intact.

>>1259838
VH2 was bad, but playable.
Now, Flames of Judgment...

>>1259904
The WotL translation was a little overwrought though, I enjoy that kind of dialogue and all but it really was just drowning in prose.

They seemed to have found a decent balance with LUCT and Crimson Shroud though.

>>1258694
>>1259418
>>1259456

Whoa whoa whoa, the characters never recite before casting on PSP?

I haven't played this one, but I loved FFTA and FFTA2, I particularly enjoyed doing side missions from the pub. Does FFT have that too?

>>1262291
I didn't like Advance, the law system killed it for me.

>>1262291
There are a few sidequests, but nothing on the level of FFTA/A2 in terms of amount of stuff to do.

Check the game anyway

>>1261674
Even LUCT was a tad too much, to be honest.

>>1262291
You only played all the silly spinoffs and not the classic game from one of the most important directors in video game history?

Why? What happened?

>>1259904
> Alexander O Smith
WotLwas translated by Tom Slattery, who's drowned every game he's worked on in shitty purple fantasy prose.

FFTA is great though.

"Dual-Wielding" Monk is so busted you would not believe it.

Seriously, I oneshot Weigraf with one of those bitches

>>1259203
Do Game of Thrones and Berserk also count as high fantasy and not dark fantasy?

If so, I guess I need some schooling on what exactly the distinction is.

>>1259040
Who did this fanart? It's great.

>>1269224
I always just assumed "low fantasy" meant very little magic and "high fantasy" meant magic us common.

>>1261727

Yep, don't know why they took it out. They could have just made it happen less often, if they thought it was annoying.

Also, to people who have problems with the slowdown on PSP, just download CFW and the patch to fix it. Then it's the perfect game.

The PSP translation is great. People who disagree are nostalgiafags

>>1269257

>nostalgiafags

Where do you think you are?

>>1269257
I think the translation is great as well, but using the term nostalgia as in insult on a RETRO game board is a little silly.

>>1258709
Dat motherfucker guys, dat motherfucker.

>poorly explained
Nigger the tutorial for FFT is one of the most comprehensive in history. Sure, it's boring, Hell, I think the manual says it's boring, but it explains the mechanics of the game in great detail.

>>1258667
>FFT
>poorly explained and convoluted game systems

What the fuck are you talking about? The translation is awful, but I don't see how the game failed to explain the basics. You sure you weren't just retarded back then?

>>1269575
>Nigger the tutorial for FFT is one of the most comprehensive in history.

This was the darkened items won't appear

>>1259963

>Well, that's alright graphics for a handheld, or possibly PC--
>Wait, are those Xbox 360 controls?
>Wait, this is supposed to be Vandal Hearts? Huh. Don't know what I was expecting, but it wasn't this.

>>1268431

On my second playthrough I figured out that this was possible. All dual-wielding monks with time magic and mostly compatible zodiac signs = "you are already dead" combo

Captcha: twoslap occasion

Maybe I should give this another shot. been 14 years i think. Honestly I think I was more stoked for this game than any in the ps1 era.

Played for 6+months. When I gave up I was at 60hours and maybe 3/5way through. Battles took forever and were getting so frustrating. Enemies just leveling up with me, any map backtracking I had these marathon fights all the time. I just remember my mages did no damage and my fighters missing a lot. Like 1/4 of the time, swing and miss. Or their sword just broke. Maybe my memories playing tricks on me, but I do remember at one point being so pissed I was tempted to snap the gamedisc, I think thats the day I quit.

But this threads got me thinking about it again. I was young, maybe I was doin something wrong, not building my classes correctly.

>>1270584
Monks, even as a subclass, are hella broken, no matter what level. Mages aren't that great, and serve more as a support role later in the game, since your holy/divine knights do AoE damage with instant gratification.

Once you get Orlandu, Beowulf, Worker 8, Better guns for Mustadio (steal from balk) etc, you will streamroll the game.

Beowulf can even one shot the fucking final boss. I discovered this by accident as a kid when I used Drain on Altima

>>1270634
If I remember right even chicken was retarded when it came to damaging the boss.