/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1236914
Wat

I honestly hate the "Dude with a 'tude" personality. It's awful and annoying in everything but Fleetway and OVA.

His laid-back Japanese version is more fitting.

>>1236929
Agreedo

Him having a voice never set well with me

>>1236914
blad sanis is best sanic

Sonic the Hedgehog was literally "FREEDOM: THE GAME" featuring dante from the devil may cry series

>>1236929
> The OVA
That was the best animated interpretation ever made and we will ever get. Even the awful dub had a certain charm to it.

>>1236932
>OC do not steal

Mohawk Sonic is so ugly it almost hurts.

I always hated his American design. Did making him fatter and giving him a mohawk really make him that more appealing to Americans?

>>1237019
What do you think? Considering that Sonic was initially released in Freedomland first and has little to following in his homeland, and the fact Sonic 2 onwards had American involvement, I believe it worked.

>>1237021
I suppose so, but I still think he looks hideous. I'm sure Sonic would have been just as popular if they kept his original design. Just imagine if Nintendo of America decided to give Mario this treatment. We have angry Kirby, but they only added eyebrows instead of completely redesigning the character.

>>1237021
>>1237019
I don't know, but it made him more appealing to autists

Different styles for different cultures, just the reality of marketing.

>>1236914

Japanese
- face
- body
- hands
- feet

American
- ears
- quills
- arms
- legs

I guess I would have to give a slight edge to the Japanese Sonic. When it comes down to it, the eyes just make the difference.

>>1237270
the american one has a tubby ass gut from eating too many cheeseburgers too

>>1237273
But thats wrong.
He has a tubby ass gut from eating too many chilli dogs you fuck nugget.

>>1237273
You know I think Sega really fucked up the redesign.

The only thing that needed changing from the original was turning the torso into a cylinder instead of a sphere and splitting the eyes. See pic.

Now Sanic looks like a basketball player.

>>1236914
>That image

>>1237330
That scene bothered me because most Germans count using their thumb first.

>>1237273
*chili dogs

>>1237335
That was the point. You know, to show he WAS NOT German

>>1237330
>jap sonic aims a gun at freedomland sonic's dick

>>1236914
I like the Japanese Sonic's design better. American Sonic's head is weird and he looks too smug to me.

>>1237031
Characters that are able to give exaggerated expressions are appealing to autistic people as it helps them understand people's emotions.

>>1236929
So many of 90's game characters were dudes with 'tudes..

>>1237423
And they were all terrible.
It always kind of came across as forced to me, even when I was a kid.

>>1237335
Did you even watch the film?

>>1236932
>Sanic the cat.

>>1237456
Because the people marketing the characters were grown ups who were selling you stuff they thought was hip in the eyes of children.
Michelangelo was the raddest turtle and every kid loved him, didn't you love Mikey?
>pic related, the nineties

>>1237473
Raphael was my turtle. Badass is the kind of attitude I like.

>>1237481
Cos Raphael is cool but rude?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS-qFdw-v_o

>>1237473
Even in the 90's I didn't know anyone who liked Vanilla Ice.

>>1237473
I think the problem was that they tried to force it, and always in the same way.

Also, Vanilla Ice is gay as hell.

>>1237504
>Also, Vanilla Ice is gay as hell.

Nigga you take that shit back right now.

>>1237508
Vanilla pls...

>>1237508
they didn't have Ice Cube so you bought Vanilla Ice

>>1237524
This, Ice Cube was cool, Ice Cube was in cool movies (Like Ghosts Of Mars), what movie was Vanilla Ice in that was actually good? None.

And before you ask, no, I never listened to either of their music, because rap/hip-hop never appealed to me.

tis the only american Sonic art I like. And probably just for nostalgia.

>>1237530
He was in Turtles 2, and that was amazing.

>>1237548
I liked the movie, but his presence sure as fuck didn't raise the quality of it.

>>1236914
>>1237423
>>1236929
>'tude

i didnt know that hairstyle had a name. what's it short for??

>>1237571
Attitude. In a rebellious way.

>>1237251

But Sonic was drawn specifically to target western, mostly American, audiences.

>>1237273

>not black bean burgers

>>1237629
>Favourite TV Shows: Beavis & Butthead, Ren & Stimpy

I never really saw much "attitude" in Sonic to begin with.

He's really only ever showed "attitude" towards his enemies, and it never really went beyond cracking a few jokes. Towards his friends, he's always been a nice guy.

>>1236914
Actually, he borrows more from Astroboy than he does from Mickey. Of course, Astroboy follows the early Disney style, too.

>>1237423

Crash never had "attitude" though. He was pretty laid back and normally you'll find him just sleeping.

>>1237503
>Even in the 90's I didn't know anyone who liked Vanilla Ice.

He WAS popular briefly. But he was a one hit wonder and was over exposed. He tried to do too much, too fast and everyone got sick of him. Plus he's a legitimate moron, so he isn't very charming or anything. If he was smarter he would have slowly built up his career and kept it going longer.

>>1237906
>If he was smarter he would have slowly built up his career and kept it going longer.

This. I mean, at least Rick Astley invested the money he made in good places (so that he could spend time with his daughter I think it was), also, he could sing.

What's Vanilla Ice doing these days?

>>1237917
I think he's quite successful in real estate or some shit...

>>1237906
Exactly. And why I used him as a visual metaphor for marketers ramming characters with attitudes down our throats during the nineties.

>>1237556

Maybe not him but his song definite did.

NINJA! NINJA! RAP!

>>1236932
>Bubsy the Bobcat

>>1237906
Don't forget about how he told black people to "kiss my white ass" and then tried to explain himself to Arsenio Hall on TV. His explanation was way worse than the situation was.

No amount of career savvy could have helped this moron.

>>1237463

No, this is Sonic the Cat

>>1237917
The last time i saw vanilla ice he was on a man vrs. food spinoff in the Florida keys

>>1237987
I rewatched that part recently. It just screamed the 1980s I ohysically shuddered

>>1238048

>>1238084
By 1980s you really meant early 1990s

>>1238050
>how he told black people to "kiss my white ass" and then tried to explain himself to Arsenio Hall on TV
I need to know what this was about.

>>1236961
>Even the awful dub
The dub was fine. Unless you're referring to the stuff they censored, which then I would agree with you

I also really enjoyed Martin Burke as the voice of Sonic. Certainly more so than Urkel or Jason Griffith

>>1237548
>>1237556
>>1237987
>>1238084

I actually spoke to David Warner at a signing a few months back. Did the usual talk about how much I loved his voice work in stuff like Batman the Animated Series and Baldur's Gate 2 etc. (he kind of got me into actually learning about voice actors since his shit as Irenicus was so good).

I decided to jokingly ask him a little about being in TMNT 2. His immediate response was "Oh yes, my favourite." I then asked if he got to really meet Vanilla Ice, and said that sadly he didn't since he was "the real star", but he did have that scene where he did "a little dance" at the concert. He then said he doubted Vanilla Ice would have had anything interesting to say anyway.

Nice guy, good sense of humor. I suppose you'd have to have one, bouncing between stuff like Titanic and then voicing a villain with a giant brain for a head on Freakazoid.

>>1238050
I need to see this, it sounds hilarious/cringeworthy.

>>1238326
Turtles II was disappointing, but I would never call it a bad movie

If anything, I blame the parents for forcing New Line to tone it down

>>1237734

In SatAM, AoStH, the Archie comics, and Fleetway he had a spark to him. The games never used that personality until Colors, and even then it's way toned down

>>1239318
You know I liked Satam, but I still prefer silent Sanic.

Too bad he's dead.

>>1239318
Man, I used to love the archie comics. It was the only comic book I ever subscribed to. It was great until around issue 75 or so. I'm not sure if it actually went downhill, or I grew up too much to fully enjoy it. It just seemed like it was trying to wrap up storylines too quickly, making sure every plot thread wrapped up in one or two issues. Shoehorning in every new sonic game into the continuity didn't help either.

I wonder if it ever got good again?

I honestly don't see much of a difference.

>>1239496
It kind of did in recent years, but at this point it's too little too late, for the entire Sonic franchise as a whole to me, personally. The comic for me more or less ends at 50 or 51. Whichever one ties the whole series in a knot and they have that stupid cop-out ending where Sally comes back to life because of fan backlash from her getting killed off. After that it got really goofy, especially when Adventure came out and they had to shoehorn that contuity in.

>>1239507
>The comic for me more or less ends at 50 or 51. Whichever one ties the whole series in a knot and they have that stupid cop-out ending where Sally comes back to life because of fan backlash from her getting killed off
From what I've read, the "Endgame Saga" was going to be the final send off for the series, but they sales were so good that they revived it. Kind like Power Rangers In Space really

>After that it got really goofy, especially when Adventure came out and they had to shoehorn that continuity in
There can certainly be an argument for Archie Sonic being "too goofy" prior to Endgame as well as Archie Sonic being "too goofy" post Endgame. I'm sure that there's a fair amount of opinion on both

>>1239496

I never could enjoy Archie's. It's too little like the games for me.

>>1239521
>I never could enjoy Archie's. It's too little like the games for me.

I've never gotten that impression and I've read a fair amount of the comics. Archie Sonic has a completely different universe and cannon that's worlds apart from Sega Sonic

Now Fleetway Sonic on the other hand.....

Out of curiosity does anyone know of any examples of reverse Americanization? I've always been interested in these changes but people always seem to focus on Japanese games being changed for America or Europe, the only example I know of it going the other way was with Spyro

>>1239534

Fleetway is a different canon as well.

I don't like Archie's canon. I don't care for the new characters, the new plot lines, or anything.

>>1239541

Blinx

>>1239520
>From what I've read, the "Endgame Saga" was going to be the final send off for the series, but they sales were so good that they revived it. Kind like Power Rangers In Space really

Oh, I know. That's why I pretty much consider Endgame to be a decent stopping point for the series. You can read up to it and be satisfied with its ending.

>There can certainly be an argument for Archie Sonic being "too goofy" prior to Endgame as well as Archie Sonic being "too goofy" post Endgame. I'm sure that there's a fair amount of opinion on both

By "goofy" I'm mostly referring to the fact that they had to fit the continuity of the games into the already-established continuity of the comic. Things like making Mobius and the real world two different worlds, Robotnik and Eggman into two different characters. It worked when they had things like those short Sonic 3 & Knuckles-esque story arcs because it fit with the world and story of the comic itself, but I feel like they just did a poor job of mixing the two together as time went on, largely because the stories of the games became just ridiculously convuluted in the Dreamcast era. Maybe that was Sega's fault for pushing Archie to do it, I don't know. Really around the point Penders started drawing and writing I get the hell out of dodge.

>>1239552
>You can read up to it and be satisfied with its ending

What did you think of the Director's Cut Sonic Special? Too tacked on?

>>1239541
Check out Ratchet and Clank's Japanese covers.

>>1236932
"You ever shoot at firemen, RoBUTTnik? You ever shoot at my father?!"

>>1239576
I actually like it. It's more or less what 50 was meant to be, wasn't it? My only really big stink is them not sticking to the plan of killing Sally. I think it would've made the "ending" a lot more profound and especially would've made it a lot easier for the comic to reboot itself for the Adventure games instead of warping the two together.

I'm honestly shocked they haven't outright rebooted it yet. I really haven't paid attention to the comic seriously since the 90s (To the point where I was shocked when I played Mega Collection and found out that the comic was still ongoing) aside maybe buying an issue every few years when something big happens (Robotnik referencing "From the show" and "Ping-as" I felt I kind of had to buy) but I can only imagine the readerbase is getting thinner and thinner, and I really doubt kids who are just now getting into the series care about the SatAM characters or even know why they're in the comic, especially when the series' cast is so overblown these days. I heard the Mega Man crossover was really good but I missed it. Mostly because I feel ridiculous buying a Sonic the Hedgehog comic in public in my 20s.

>>1239609
>I actually like it. It's more or less what 50 was meant to be, wasn't it? My only really big stink is them not sticking to the plan of killing Sally.

Yeah agreed, even though I like Sally. But hey, money is money.

Gotta keep dat green rollin, son.

>>1239720
>Yeah agreed, even though I like Sally.

So do I. She was my first huge vidya crush.

>>1239609
>I heard the Mega Man crossover was really good but I missed it

Same. I read some of the Mega Man comic, but it really didn't grab me. Archie's also releasing collected editions of the older issues now if you want to check those out. One's cheaper and in color but with less issues and the other's slightly less cheaper and in B&W but with more issues

They also for some reason decided to release the old Super Sonic Specials as a completely different collection

>>1239794

>Sally
>vidya

>>1240915
she is.

>>1239609

I wouldn't mind if they rebooted it or at least created a new series. Kids who get into the comics don't know who the fuck Sally is or give a damn about Freedom Fighters. That's not in the games at all

>>1238118
Jesus Christ why is this so goddamn funny

>>1239794
>drawn by Kayona Kim
NO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!

>>1240938
A short cameo in Spinball doesn't really count. it's not even canon.

>>1240915
Oh, you know what I mean.

>>1240908
The collected editions actually aren't that great, unfortunately. They digitally recolored all the issues and it looks really lousy. Gradients everywhere and it just looks really off-putting altogether. It's really disappointing.

>>1237917
He was the halftime show at the last Edmonton Eskimos game in march or whenever.

It was pretty surreal watching a man try and be a 9o's coolguy in two thousand and fucking thirteen.

>>1241070
What the fuck

>>1236914
America saved his design

>>1241459
But this beta-design is good and hedgehogey.