/vr/ - Retro Games

It depends who you ask but I think its a great game. It sure has gotten a lot of great fanart for it over the years.

IV and V are better.

I don't know if I'd call it underrated, but it seems like it's almost completely overshadowed by VII. Which is understandable I suppose. VII came out at the right time and was for many their introduction to RPG's, but I've noticed a lot of hardcore RPG heads will say that VI more objectively is the better title.

>>1210739
Overrated, only overshadowed by VII.

Still a good game IMO but definitely not the best Final Fantasy.

This game is a hidden gem on the SNES. I always wondered why Final Fantasy VII had the "VII" in the title, then I found out that there's a Super Nintendo one. Its pretty good if you can get used to the 2d graphics.

>>1210786

>Overrated

>>1210739
Overrated. I still have a hard time playing it because I had folks on the internet tell me that VII was a steaming pile of shit and VI is God's gift to man for years. There was no way it could live up to that hype.

>>1210797

I've seen people who played VII first then went back and played VI like when it came out on the GBA and end up saying VI is better.

>>1210797
>hidden gem

>>1210798
On /vr/, it really is.

>>1210797
>This game is a hidden gem on the SNES
Are you serious?

>>1210798
But it is, something can be good and overrated, another example is EarthBound.

>>1210801
This, it doesn't live up to the hype. Good thing I never heard of how it is "so good" and could make my own conclusions.

>>1210802
I am also one of these, I got into the FF series because everyone was talking about how good VII is so I decided to check them in order.

Also, I feel Final Fantasy Dawn of Souls is very underrated.

>>1210823

I don't think we're talking about whether it gets enough respect on /vr/ though

to some degree, FF6 is a period thing. serious stories and well fleshed out, conflicted characters are commonplace, these days. also, drawn out minigame scenes, like the Opera House are in almost every game. The graphics in FF6 are the best on the system. of course, my phone can do better graphics, so the impact is weakened.

still, after coming up with the NES and SNES, this game blew minds. It is the perfect SNES RPG

>>1210859
Dancing Mad still blows my mind to this day.

I know various stories from friends about how during the final battle people stopped to listen and ask what they were doing, even people that didn't like videogames.

>>1210798
FF6 is overrated like crazy by the entire Internet.

It's a good game, but damn.

>>1210859
>The graphics in FF6 are the best on the system.

Is Final Fantasy VI the only game you've played for the SNES?

>>1210892
It's not even the best looking RPG on the system.

>>1210897
What would it be then?

Not either of them but I've never stopped to think about it.

>>1210917
Seiken Densetsu 3 might top the list.

Chrono Trigger is up there, and so is FF6. But SD3 is superior imo.

>>1210921
I don't know, it is very pretty but it also looks kinda blurry, you know what I mean?

lmao FF6 not appreciated enough?

I wish you were on gaming sites 10-12 years ago when the internet thought FF6 was god's gift to gaming

It's a great game, but like Ocarina of Time impossible to talk about without the discussion getting bogged down by "overrated" buzzword debate.

Personally I wish people would stop letting other people influence their own thoughts on a game and just relate their own experiences. The words "overrated" and "underrated" only exist at all because people let the opinions of other people influence their enjoyment of something. "Hey, you told me this game was an 8 when it's only a 7 at best!" So?

Different people gonna enjoy things differently.

>>1210930
No idea.

>>1210937

OP here, what I was talking about in terms of "respect" was whether it is given its proper dues in general. The only I know who really even give a shit about VI anymore are just people who browse boards on /vr/, while FFVII is the far more remembered one in more mainstream currents to the point where Square-Enix went the trouble to create more content for it and turn it into a franchise.

>>1210964
>Nomura's designs
FFVI for Playstation exists, there is no excuse.

While V is my favorite, I do really enjoy the fuck out of VI.

GBA version with patches, that is. Now even Celes' beatings are restored.

I actually replayed this game this year and made two posts about the things which made the story so profound. There were some quirks to Terra's sexuality and other tidbits that slipped past me as a kid. In other words, the game ages really well.

http://roan7995.tumblr.com/post/50109343257/i-noticed-a-lot-of-things-during-my-latest

http://roan7995.tumblr.com/post/54039044761/more-things-i-noticed-about-ff6-as-an-adult

>>1210986
Yeah, I played that version last. Basically a color fix patch and a sound fix patch were what I used, iirc, because the GBA version was a bit nerfed there.

>>1210739
>not respected enough
In its time it had almost universal praise.

>>1210739
>FF6
>Not respected enough

Pick one.

Too bad the rest of the internet caught on to how good VI is and now it's too popular for 4chan.

I'll always remember it as Final Fantasy III
>Son of a Submariner

>>1210989

>16:9 with some horrible filter

>>1210989
>The possibility that Terra may have been a lesbian
While I won't say she wasn't a lesbian (she might be), I got the feeling that she wasn't so much interested in romantic love (Eros) as more of love in a more general sense (Agápe or Philia).

>>1211007
It was pretty cool, but >Son of a sandworm! is better.

>>1211016
No, it isn't. The only line of Kefka's that was improved in Advance was:

SNES: "I don't care for the appearance of this pitiful little hamlet... So burn it!!"
GBA: "This little hamlet is too much "boring" and not enough "burning"... Torch everything!"

Terra is mai waifu. I dare you to find an important video game as pure as her.

http://btb2.free.fr/mods.html

I will never go back to playing unmodded FF6 again.

>>1211024
I looked at the exact changes they made in that mod and a lot of it was pretty stupid.

What, exactly, was stupid?

>>1211024
Sounds cool. I'll give it a try some day.

>>1211030
I'd have to look through the entire list of changes the mod made again to point out what I didn't like. I'll just say that after I read the thing I decided it wasn't worth my time to play. The general changes and ideas were good, but the specifics of those changes were terrible.

Well, we haven't really gotten much/any negative feedback on any of the mechanical changes we've made, so anything you'd say about them would likely be the first we've heard. If you think of something and feel like letting us know, my email is at the bottom of that page.

>>1211015

I always felt like there was a love triangle between Locke, Terra and Celes. Eventually Terra found the feeling she had been seeking in caring for those orphans.

>>1211023
>video game
I meant video game character. I really neeed to slow down when posting.

>>1211040
I sorta saw a love triangle, but I think that was entirely on Locke's end from liking/defending Terra and Celes. Terra didn't reciprocate Locke affections (at least not romantically), and Celes didn't seem to consider Terra a rival for Locke's affection.

>>1211037
You know, since you're taking my non-explanatory criticism really well, if I have time between trying to shrink my huge backlog of games, I'll give the mod a shot. I have an SD2SNES, so I can test in on actual hardware.

Said SD2SNES is part of the reason for my huge backlog to begin with.

Oh, I know all about huge backlogs, I assure you. Spending two years working on the mod didn't really afford me the time to do much else, so I'm enjoying the time I have now to actually play something else for a change.

>>1210768

You know I used to like VI the most but after playing through the series again IV is my new favorite. Vi and VII closely follow though. I think the thing about VI that gets me is that there is so much to do. I like to get every party member even if I won't use them, I spend a lot of time on the Veldt in the World of Balance, I AP grind (but I don't teach everyone every spell), I get every Esper (except Ragnarok, I get the sword so I can get Lightbringer, I use the Paladin Shield for Ultima), I fuck around in the Colosseum forever to get the best equipment.... It really takes a lot out of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB3b9NkXuRE

wouldn't mind seeing them remake FFVI. Heck, if there was a kickstarted for an animated movie/series or for a PS3/PS4 remake, I'd donate.

>>1211082
I like IV better because there are many parts of VI that I simply do not enjoy replaying. Both are top tier games though.

>>1210831

>so I decided to check them in order.

So I'm not the only person who does this. It can be a great undertaking with long-running JRPG series (made harder by the fact that some are Japanese only, goddamn you Tales).

Speaking of Japanese only games, does anyone one know where I can find Japanese Wii ROMs? I'd like to grab some FF games to help my nihongo studies along. I'm usually pretty good at finding things on the internet, but I can not find a place to download Japanese Wii ROMs. I could always just emulate them I suppose, it's not like I don't have emulator on my Wii, but I'd just like to be able to install them if possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnXYVlPgX_o

As someone who's favorite FF is VI...no, I think it's respected enough. I do wish that it didn't have to be the go-to FF to vs. VII, as that draws it into the 'overrated' and 'obnoxiously outspoken fanbase' circles that VII has.

>>1211040
>>1211062
I never really got that. I always saw Terra as the "I want to be loved" type, but in a more general sense, rather than romantic one. And while Locke would end up falling for Celes, I don't think he was ever into Terra. Remember the reason for his "always take care of the girl" mentality in the first place?

FFVI has the ugliest designs in the series.

I think it gets overshadowed by VII a bit, but that's the game sold the damn Playstation so I'm not too sore about it. I think VI gets its fair dues.

It's a masterpiece in my opinion, along with IV and V.

VI gets boring around the time everyone gets the espers powers, and world of ruin ruined the game for me.

Halt, activate, shudder!

I actually like after years, but IV is my favorite game

>>1211128

>As someone who's favorite FF is VI...no, I think it's respected enough. I do wish that it didn't have to be the go-to FF to vs. VII, as that draws it into the 'overrated' and 'obnoxiously outspoken fanbase' circles that VII has.

I think when it comes to the debate of which is the "go to" Final Fantasy, most people would probably say VII, and I think that upsets some people who feel that that title rightfully belongs to VI. The problem is that with the exception of the hardcore JRPG players, most people have pretty much forgotten VI, or at least that's the feeling and FFVII gets a lot of credit for simply introducing people to JRPG's when comparatively, at least in mine and others' opinion, VI was the superior and much more defining Final Fantasy game. Yet it was VII that got the movie and sequels/tie-ins eventually when Square-Enix decided after X-2 that it was interested in doing follow ups on some of its Final Fantasy titles, not because VII is necessarily the best game, but because it was sure to make more money than an FFVI cg movie or tie in. I think the same things could be said about VI in relation to VII as IX as well. For many people, VI and IX was way better crafted video games, but sort of pushed aside by lesser titles in the series that seemed to draw in obnoxious casuals.

>>1211161

I might also add that for people who were already playing RPG's when VII came out, there was a feeling FFVII players weren't true RPG fans yet they'd talk about how VII was the greatest Final Fantasy or RPG or the only RPG worth playing or that they'd ever bothered to play.

Can we all at least agree that VIII is the worst retro Final Fantasy?

>>1211183

Not as long as 2 exists

>>1211014
The gba version was made for a wider display without stretching the graphics.
As for the filter, that's a personal choice to suit my subjective whims and I stand by it.

>>1211187

After I learned that a max level Toad spell and max evasion made your characters absolutely unbeatable, I actually had fun with II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StamT5jT1Ao

>>1211128
>Remember the reason for his "always take care of the girl" mentality in the first place?
I know. That's why I typed "liking/defending" and "sorta saw a love triangle".

>I always saw Terra as the "I want to be loved" type, but in a more general sense.
Same here, but she did seem partially confused about the difference between romantic love and love in general. When she reached out to General Leo asking him about love, he seemed to pick up on that.

>SNES
Terra: I'm the product of a human and an Esper... Will I ever be able to love someone?
Leo: Of course!
Terra: But... I haven't felt that way yet...
Leo: You're just young,... but I understand what you mean. I understand only too well...
*Leo leaves*
Terra: But... I want to know what love is... now!

>GBA
Terra: If a human and an esper can love one another... Do you think a human and I could love each other?
Leo: Of course!
Terra: But... I don't even know what it feels like to love someone.
Leo: You're still young. ...Someday you'll know. I'm sure of it.
*Leo leaves*
Terra: But... I want to know now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ir-4c0VkU&feature=player_detailpage#t=188

It's interesting to note that there are a lot of pauses in this conversation (I left the first half of it off because of post size), but when Terra asks Leo about if she'll ever love somebody, he answers "Of course!" rather quickly, and after she says she's never felt that way, he takes a bit before he comments on that. He seemed to realize that Terra just needed time to figure things out for herself or he thought Terra was coming on to him and he wanted to get out of there fast, lol

>>1211183
I'll agree with you on that.

>>1211203

I always felt Leo should have been a bigger role. He was the one major imperial leader who wasn't a complete dick.

>>1211183
No, the first two were terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffkn-z19ozo

>>1211161
>with the exception of the hardcore JRPG players, most people have pretty much forgotten VI
VI is not some obscure, hardcore JRPG. If anyone didn't know about it before, they do now because of Dissidia.

>>1211223
No, the first was good for it's time. It's main issue is that it's just very basic, which of course makes sense. Even so, setting the groundwork for everything afterwards is better than...whatever the hell VIII contributed.

2 I dunno about, I never got that far in it. It's the one FF I've not really played.

>>1211230
>whatever the hell VIII contributed
VIII at the very least had Triple Triad.
Why do people love to hate on VIII so much?

>>1211187
>>1211223
>>1211230
FF1 was a good game, though I realize I'm saying this as a hardcore Dragon Warrior/Quest fan.

While FF2's leveling system needed some work, I though the plot for the game was pretty good.

FF8 needed more work everywhere, especially in the plot.

>>1211231
probably because people can't play games blind anymore, and if you go into FF8 and knowing how to refine the right cards and junction the fight stuff, run from every fight, the game gets way too easy.

>>1211228

I'm not saying it's obscure. I'm just saying it's overshadowed by VII, which for many people was the inferior title, although both are great. It's more of a case of "my classic is better than your classic." And there was a feeling for awhile back in the day like an overwhelming amount of people who were gushing over FFVII didn't really play RPG's that much but acted arrogant and tried to talk about RPG's when the only one they had really played was FFVII

>If anyone didn't know about it before, they do no because of Dissidia

Right, it's started to get more attention again in recent years, but I'm more talking about years ago.

FFVI gets tons of respect.

>>1211243
höhöhö

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVHkQF7dZE

>>1211248
>>1211243
On a related note, some of the first hentai I ever saw was of Relm gettin' it from Interceptor.

>>1211250
Gettin what?

>>1211231
While the GF/Draw system was too easy to manipulate and drawing magic was tedious, it wasn't that bad and it easily could have been fixed with a little tweaking. My problem is with the plot. Disc 1 was pretty good, but the story started to fall apart by Disc 2, and by Disc 3 it was completely tits up.

I will admit, though, that FF8 has Tetsuya Nomura's best character designs and has some of Nobuo Uematsu's best music.

>>1211250

>>1211252

VIII really isn't bad.

>>1211252
>FF8 has Tetsuya Nomura's best character designs and has some of Nobuo Uematsu's best music.
I can't disagree with this.

>>1211252
>I will admit, though, that FF8 has Tetsuya Nomura's best character designs and has some of Nobuo Uematsu's best music.
I dunno if I disagree, but the characters were either unlikable (Squall, Rinoa, Seifer) and/or obnoxiously retarded (Zell, Selphie), or just unmemorable (nearly everyone else).

>>1211257

No it isn't, but I have a hard time getting into it anymore. I think it's mostly the setting, and that never used to bother me. I don't even like VII's setting as much as I used to (except Midgar, I still love Midgar), I find that I much prefer the older FF settings more these days.

VIII's final dungeon was (aesthetically) great though.

>>1211264
Well, Nomura didn't come up with the personalities AFAIK, so I wasn't implying that the characters themselves didn't have problems, just that Nomura did a good job drawing suitable characters for the game.

Despite how much people complain about the dream sequences, I liked Laguna, Kiros, and Ward. I actually really enjoyed the sections of the game playing as them and the wacky shit they get into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUn43-a9efU

>>1211273
People complain about the dreams? That was great though.
Laguna > Squall
The man with the machine gun > Don't be afraid

>>1211251
Hot pink doggy dick.

>>1211236
>pic
Not retro, but XII is the FF I found the most enjoyable gameplay wise.

That part with Cyan at the end of the train level made me cry bitch tears. This game had so many feels.

>>1211273

>Despite how much people complain about the dream sequences

They do? I've never heard people complain about those. I've actually heard people say that they were better than the main game.

>>1211287

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XK3m8aIFGw

>>1211131
Take that back!

>>1211298
No! The clothing was just awful.

>>1211284
>>1211292
Most people I know IRL who played FF8 hated the dream sequences.

>>1211275
Final Fantasy VI's The Decisive Battle is the best boss music of all time. I will take this fact with me to the grave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ0q31uYZeg

>>1211095
here, a version that won't rape your ears with horrible quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260oetpb9mM

>>1210739
The graphics were of the ugly pre-PS1 sort that I avoided. The battle rate was way too high. If they'd actually improved the graphics and gameplay it would have been a solid playstation title. As they brought it out, with just some added FMV it wasn't worth finishing.

>>1211314
>ugly
>pre PS1
enjoy your big 5-polygons characters

>>1210739

Vastly overrated. The concepts of FF6 were refined and honed in Final Fantasy VII.

Final Fantasy VI is to Final Fantasy VII as Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake is to Metal Gear Solid.

>>1211321

>The concepts of FF6 were refined and honed in Final Fantasy VII

>>1211314
0/10. You're trying too hard.

>>1211321
1/10. Nice try, but you'll have to do much better than that.

>>1211314
>The graphics were of the ugly pre-PS1 sort that I avoided.
Not sure if trolling.

>>1211321
Definitely sure of trolling.

Why does no one talk about V, the best game in the series?

>>1211331
Well, 5 is a good game, but I prefer the class systems in Dragon Quest 3 and 7, and Final Fantasy Tactics.

The funny thing is, Final Fantasy VI had a lukewarm reception when it was released. At least in America, it did. It didn't sell too well, and its popularity only exploded after VII came out, when it was rediscovered by poor kids who didn't own a Playstation and were only able to experience the series through emulation.

>in before someone posts that image showing the similarities between 6 and 7

It doesn't matter which game did it first, it only matters which game did it best. And anyone who owned both games will tell you 7 was better. Final Fantasy 6 was just Final Fantasy 7 for poor people.

>>1211324
>>1211325
>>1211328

I'm not trolling. Take off the rose-tinted glasses and you'll find FF6 is a decent game, but FF7 took everything good about it and made it relevant to real life at the same time.

>>1211339

Thank you for your honesty.

>>1211331
Because it didn't get an original US release. It really is that simple I think.

>>1211339
Yeah you keep telling yourself that. And fyi, no, it does sort of matter if VI did it first. And mostly better.

>>1211339
>>1211342
0/10. You guys really can't grasp the concept of subtlety, can you?

My favourite character was always Setzer. Mm what a man. I used to dream about him when I was younger, I wish I found someone like that in real life... On topic, I think FF VI reputation is kinda well deserved, it's not a 10/10 game but it's not a turd either.

>>1211339

>Final Fantasy 6 was just Final Fantasy 7 for poor people.

now I know you're trolling.

>>1211342

>Thank you for your honesty.

samefag

>>1211343
>it does sort of matter if VI did it first

Why?

>>1211347
dear impersonator, actually it was Selphie I had a crush on when I was younger. And I think FF6 is generally overrated. It has some cool moments (the end of the world and the fact that the vilain succeeds, and gameplay wise the moment when you're given some freedom on where to go next) but it lacks character development and it lacks freedom in gameplay decisions.

Tons of jRPGs before it did what it did and better except that they just weren't as well known because they didn't bear the name final fantasy. FF6 just does its emotional scenes rather well.

>>1211346
>>1211325
>>1211328
>>1211324

I'm not trolling. I'm being honest about my opinion. It differs from yours and no, I'm not the same person as:
>>1211339

>>1211343
>it does sort of matter if VI did it first
No it doesn't.

By your logic, we should never create new things, ever. Because someone else has already done it FIRST (and therefore better) than anyone else's newfangled attempts at progress.

It never matters who does something first. It only matters who does it best.

>>1211346
>>1211348
This literally adds nothing to the conversation. Don't even reply if all you can say is "b-bait..." or "troll!"

>>1211331
I could never stand FF V's graphics. Yuck.

I want a fucking FF6 3d remake since forever goddammit.

>>1211362
Every retro FF game looks like shit. That doesn't stop it from being good.

>>1211351

Because VII gets the credit for being innovative when much of it is just rehashed stuff from VI that was gobbled up by a more mainstream audience.

>>1211359

>By your logic, we should never create new things, ever. Because someone else has already done it FIRST (and therefore better) than anyone else's newfangled attempts at progress.

You're trying to change the subject. When we're discussing which title was more "innovative," which title was better executed, it is important to know who did what first.

>It never matters who does something first. It only matters who does it best.

Right, and VI did it best.

>>1211367
Correct. But something with V just turned me off.

>>1211364
I'm not sure I want to give Square Enix the chance to fuck it up. That said, I would love to see a good 3D remake of FF6.

>>1211339
>image showing the similarities between 6 and 7
I love it when people use this. They don't seem to realize the story in 6 is just as retarded as 7's.

>>1211373
Don't understand posts like these.

>They remake game
>Game is good
>You play it

>They remake game
>Game is bad
>You play original version like you would have if it never came out

>>1211339
>Final Fantasy 6 was just Final Fantasy 7 for poor people.
FFVI cost like 70-80 bucks when it was new.

FFVII is for true poorfags

>>1211375

You're comparing a single game to the cost of a new console.

>>1211364
I do too. Especially since there's no definitive version of VI.

The SNES one is full of bugs and has an inaccurate (but not bad) translation
PS1 has super long loading and basically all the same problems as SNES.
GBA has better translation but smaller screen resolution, worse graphics and worse sound.

>>1211364
lmao at FF6 fans wanting it to be more similar to FF7

>>1211375
>when it was new
Pretty sure he's saying that it was for poor people when 7 came out.

>>1211357
>FF6
>lacks character development and freedom of gameplay decisions

I'll have to disagree there sir. I will say that the character development was maybe a bit abrupt, but it was certainly there for many of the characters, which says something considering it's large cast. And it had plenty of free gameplay decisions. Hell, a big complaint about the game is that the WoR has too much freedom.

But then...
>it was Selphie I had a crush on when I was younger.
This is like the worst possible taste you could have had imo.

>>1211373
I know what you mean, I still freak out when I see dissidia's gidan

>>1211383
You now realize they are no different from them, other than the fact FF6 fans think they are better than everyone else.

>>1211368
>When we're discussing which title was more "innovative," which title was better executed
You're acting like these are the same thing. They aren't.

And FF6 wasn't even that innovative. It was yet another JRPG about an evil empire messing with forces beyond their comprehension, and the ragtag team of rebels who has to stop them.

And so was FF7. Again, it doesn't matter who did it first (not 6). It only matters who did it best (also not 6).

>>1211384
FF6 was still selling for around $50 even for used copies back in 1997.

>>1211374
But lol, 6 was retarded FIRST! That means it's better than 7!

>>1211364
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v0ylR26xoA

>>1211395
Did you completely miss:
>were only able to experience the series through emulation

Most Final Fantasy VI fans didn't actually own the cart.

>>1211420
>SNES emulation in 1997

Seriously FF6 was so boring compared to FF7. All consoles before the playstation were of no interest to me. Even C64 graphics were prettier because they had nicer colours. Al the time consoles were big I used to play PC adventure games, which were more interesting at the time.

>>1211424
Uh... Yes? There were SNES emulators in 1997. They weren't very good, but FF6 was completely playable.

>>1211431
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqfPbEwS-7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjERjWIOmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbAf4J5ZIDU
WHALE SONG!!!

>>1211385

I don't know about remaking it. I'd like to see it in 3D, but at the same time there a certain aesthetic to FFVI that I don't know could be well imitated in 3D format unless you had a damn good director. I'd worry that it would just look dull.

>>1211374

Except for the fact that the villain isn't shit.

>>1211394

>You're acting like these are the same thing

I'm just saying if you are discussing which game is more innovative, who did what first is important. Whether what one game did it better is a bit of a different discussion, but not entirely independent since a game that is "innovative" is one that introduces new mechanics and elements and/or improves on those mechanics/elements which have already been done by another. And in many respects, Final Fantasy VI did both better than 7.

>And FF6 wasn't even that innovative. It was yet another JRPG about an evil empire messing with forces beyond their comprehension, and the ragtag team of rebels who has to stop them.

And it did it better and more memorably than anyone else did at the time and in ways others still haven't been able to surpass, even in other FF titles.

>And so was FF7

Do you even remember the plot for 7?

>It only matters who did it best

which was 6

>>1211252

To be honest, I think I kinda liked 8 a little better than 7, but it's been so long since I played either of them.

>>1210921
Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean might be able to make legitimate claims for being the best-looking RPGs on the SNES.

>>1211443
>Kefka
>better than Sephiroth

Not in a thousand years.

>>1211443
>Do you even remember the plot for 7?
Do YOU?

>>1211443
Sorry, but Jenovah was more interesting than Kefka ever was.

>>1211461
Jenova wasn't the villain of FFVII.

>>1211443
>Except for the fact that the villain isn't shit.

What's wrong with Jenova?

>>1211465
Sephiroth wasn't either.

>>1211471
Yes he was.

>>1210739

It isn't that good.

Great music, dull enviroments, okay characters, shit random encounter rate. too open world in the world of ruin, too many things you can do wrong without a guide. story is boring as fuck. Esper system sucks and its a fact that "switching espers" for max "STATS" is a garbage idea and nobody sane could defend this crap

>>1211475
How? He didn't do anything for most of the game.

>>1211459

The transition to Sephiroth being the final boss was dumb and uninteresting. Even Rufus and Hojo were better and more interesting villains.

I've never quite seen the appeal of Sephiroth has over other FF villains.

>>1211478
Even if that were true (it isn't), it doesn't change the fact that he's the villain. Please review FFVII and the definition of villain and before attempting to reply.

>>1211483
He's still better than Kefka.

>>1211461
>>1211468
>thinking Jenova is the villain
Sephiroth was the villain. Jenova was just a plot device to send Sephiroth off the deep end. Jenova has less character than Lavos.

>>1211483
>Even Rufus and Hojo were better and more interesting villains.
This. Sephiroth just derailed us from the more interesting villains in the game.

>>1211485
Please, Kefka is as boring and shit as Sephiroth is.

>>1211483

I like his story.

- Seen as a Hero by everyone
- finds out he is just some alien dna infused bastard (father ironically being Hojo and Vincents love interest lucrecia )
- learns about his "mother" Jenovas true goal
- gets mother issues
- tries to destroy everything
- goes insane
- falls into lifestream
- learns all about the planet and absorbs all wisdom
- decides to become a god by absorbing more life stream
- uses parts of Jenova to create clones to find the Black Materia to call Meteor to injure the planet. Uses Jenova infected people to call Meteor.

- Waiting at the crater to absorb the lifestream when the planet gets injured
- Almost succeeds but gets fucking raped by Cloud but damage still has been done.
- If advent children wasn't there, we could have assumed that humanity was wiped out by the Planet, since you only see greens and nature AND Red with his sons alive at the end.

>>1210739
I don't think this game gets a lack of appreciation or is overated at all. I will say it does get overshadowed by FF7 AT TIMES. But I also think that depends on the age group involved. FF7 when it came out was amazing but alot of that had to do with the graphics at the time being marketed as the first fully 3-D rpg and yes it did turn alot of people on to the genre and for many was their first and favorite rpg. But I dunno guys i'm 27 ( and I know thats not the youngest age group to be on this board) and me and all of my friends highly regard FFVI as a masterpiece in no way a hidden gem.

>>1211394
>It was yet another JRPG about an evil empire messing with forces beyond their comprehension
Actually it was sort of innovative. Granted nothing is completely innovative. What I mean is, for instance, Kefka, who was introduced as a 'starter villain', but ends up becoming the main villain. This wasn't that common at the time. Typically we'd have a starter villain, then we'd be introduced to the big boss villain (Gestahl), who would take over. It's common knowledge now, but then it didn't happen that often.

And regardless, we're just talking about the FF series in itself. Here it's more blatant, since VII came right after VI.

>>1211483
>>1211489
Agreed. I always felt Sephiroth was the least interesting of what I suppose to be the 4 main villains.

And yes, I liked him less than Kefka too. People get so wrapped up in "B-B-BUT KEFKA HAS NO BACKSTORY OR MOTIVATION!" (ignoring that he does, even if it's explored less) that they forget things like the character's interaction with the world and characters around them.

>>1211492
If you liked his story so much why'd you get so many details wrong?

The real villain of FF7 is Hojo.

>>1211503
This. He was the cause of everything.

>>1211497

Did I? Care to explain? Been a long time since I last played it.

>>1211503
>>1211507

>ends up as nothing more than Sephiroth's lackey

Nope, try again.

>>1211495

It's been awhile since I sat down and played either game, but Kefka always felt more like an actual character than Sephiroth. Sephiroth felt more like a symbol to me than anything else, which made him less interesting than some of the other villains in FF7, who I think were often more well written than Sephiroth himself.

>>1211508
Sephiroth initially thought his Jenova was a Centra. It wasn't until he fell in the Lifestream that he realized the truth.

The "clones" were partially failed Hojo experiments that had Jenova cells in them. He can control them because they have those cells and aren't strong enough to resist.

He calls Meteor on his own as soon as he gets the Black Materia.

>>1211512
Another thing I really liked about Kefka that separated him from the other major villains is that he really does start out as just a flunky. Barring perhaps Garland/Chaos, they are all overpowering enemies that the heroes have no chance against for the majority of the game.

Kefka, while he did have some power, wasn't exceptionally stronger than the heroes. You have a real boss fight with him not even midway through the game, and see him grow in power along with you.

>>1211509
>lackey

He's as much a lackey for Sephiroth as Frankenstein was a lackey for his monster.

>>1211518

Yeah, I remember.

Well, he calls it himself but why the reunion issue then? Just to call everyone for fun? I thought he needed everyones power to call Meteor.

>>1211528
I don't recall Frankenstein sucking his monster's cock.

>>1211534
>wanting your experiment to succeed
>sucking its cock

alright

>>1211536
>TAKE ALL THE ENERGY YOU NEED SEPHIROTH YOUR POWER IS MAGNIFICENT I'LL DO WHATEVER I CAN TO HELP YOU

Please play the game before trying to talk about it.

>>1211529
Reunion happens naturally because Jenova's cells are always trying to reform. They went to the Northern Crater because Sephiroth was calling the shots.

>>1211540

OK, just for reforming. Good. At least I got the major points right.

>>1211443
>Do you even remember the plot for 7?

The plot is that Shinra Corporation have been being dicks and playing God for too long, destroying the environment, playing around with alien cells, etc. and now the planet is about to pay the ultimate price. Shinra's greatest creation, Sephiroth, is going to use the ultimate black magic to crash a meteor into the planet so he can absorb all the life-energy and become a god, and reunite himself with his "mother" (who isn't actually his mother) Jenova. And you have to stop him, because... well obviously his fiendish plot to crash a meteor into the planet isn't gonna end too well for everyone who isn't Sephiroth, right?

There are also a lot of character-centric side plots like Cloud's memory loss but really, the main plot is... Shinra bad, Sephiroth bad, planet good, go kill Sephiroth to save the planet.

>beeeh the plot is so convoluted

The plot is actually pretty straightforward, I will never understand why people use this argument against it.

>>1211541
Yeah, some of it can be tricky to remember anyway since the translation isn't the best.

>>1211539
He does it for SCIENCE

>>1211547
He even says that his science is powerless when compared to Sephiroth.

If that isn't dick sucking I don't know what is.

>>1211534
>I don't recall Frankenstein sucking his monster's cock

You've never seen Rocky Horror Picture Show I take it?

>>1211021
>>1211016
>>1211007
Ted Whoosly's work aged like fine wine. I remember when the GBA version came out and people were saying 'Now we get a real translation!'

And then afterwards everyone preferred Whoosly's localization better. I still don't get what they say was lost in translation since the main points were still there.

Also, I liked how he cut down some words, potion became tonic, and hi potion was potion.

I tried tonic water after playing VI, tasted awful.

>>1211919
You aren't supposed to drink Tonic water by itself.

>>1211434
Daaaaaaaaamn. I had forgotten how bad things used to be.

>>1211919
try it with some gin next time, champ

>>1211549
He is probably being prideful since that powerful being is his son after all.

So who's the best party?

>>1212324
Don't matter, they're all copies the moment you get to choose party members anyway

>>1211434
Funny, when I played it for the first time I thought the sound of the wind was the screaming ghosts or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2g7g6zuIRU

>>1210797
.....this is b8, right? Nobody ever would say something like this..... right?

>>1212339

That's only if you actually took the time to grind them on all the same espers to the highest level.

>FFVI
>underrated
Who the hell doesn't say that? Everyone says that. How can it be underrated when everyone says it's better than VII? Just because normalfags don't know about it makes it underrated? Christ, FFVII is the underrated one.

>>1211303

>Final Fantasy VI's The Decisive Battle

agreed. it can make anything feel epic.

>>1212413
>How can it be underrated when everyone says it's better than VII?
This. I hear people say VI is underrated all the time while VII is said to be overrated all the time. At this point, VI is turning into THE overrated FF.

Half of the characters are fillers.

>>1212427

>I hear people say VI is underrated all the time

That's cause you hang out on the internet.

>>1212430

The only characters I remember who didn't have actual character arcs were Mog, Umaru, and GoGo.

>>1212438
Fillers can have arcs too.

>>1212438
>Mog, Umaru, GoGo, Relm, Strago, Setzer, Shadow, Gau.

>>1212463
>Relm, Strago, Setzer, Shadow, Gau.
All of them have focus though.

>>1212463
>Relm, Strago, Setzer, Shadow, Gau

Did you not discover these character's backstories/side quests?

>>1212438
>That's cause you hang out on the internet.
I know people offline who say that and for most of them, FFVII was their first FF game.

>>1212480

I remember growing up and none of the FF7 players I met ever knew what FF6 was.

Slightly offtopic but fucking whatever.

The best part about FF6 was when your party was split and you followed three separate stories in turn. To me, it reinforced the point that this game was actually about plot. The first time around, I was impressed that they didn't just throw this dozen characters at my face and then leave me alone with them. To this day, I loathe that I have to put characters on the backseat and sometimes just bench them for good because there's no point in grinding them all.

Well, in the end they did after all and it was a real letdown. Still, these couple of hours were really fun. I wish more JRPGs had done this.

(Incidentally, being able to switch in all your characters in FF10 was basically the only likeable aspect of that POS game.)

>>1212483
Probably because they knew it as FF3.

>>1212478
Yeah, Gau's was the worst.

>>1212485
>FF10
>POS
What was wrong with it, other than the character design?

>>1212478
Yeah, I found all their individual three minute long cutscenes- real extensive...

>>1212491
Mostly the story, its execution, and the characters. I can't even say that it was that much worse than FF7 and FF8, but it still dialed everything a notch down.

>>1212485
>The best part about FF6 was when your party was split and you followed three separate stories in turn. To me, it reinforced the point that this game was actually about plot. The first time around, I was impressed that they didn't just throw this dozen characters at my face and then leave me alone with them.

That was one thing about the story I liked too. It starts out like its just going to all be about Terra from beginning to end.

>Well, in the end they did after all and it was a real letdown.

I thought they did that well though. It was pretty cool when the world of ruin happens and you have to search for the other characters as Celes of all people. Again, there's that deal where the game starts with Terra, and Terra continues to occupy a central role, but the story isn't all about Terra and there are times when even Terra is made more of a secondary character until the plot demands her to be at forefront again.

>>1212502

Each of those characters occupied a place of importance at some point in the game. Their backstories are there to help you care a little more about them.

>>1212516

Yeah, I liked that. The story also lacked a "chosen one" stereotype. Yes, Terra was the key to humans and espers getting along, but you can actually play the game without her after the world of ruin. It's pretty cool.

Chosen ones are okay now and then, but it's a cliche that needs to be put to rest.

>>1212516
Yeah, I think that it was pretty cool that FF6 explored the possibility of an, uh, let's call it decentralized party system, right down to the nominal main character(s). It was an ensemble rather than a party. Again, I wish more RPGs, especially those with huge casts, would have had that.

>>1212530

The only downside to that is that is if you have a large cast of characters, the prominence of each one being at the whims of the plot, then some characters can get a little forgotten once their time is up. There are few times this happens in FF6, but the one cool thing I thought about the world of ruin, and perhaps why they did it, was that when you are searching for the characters once again, it allows most of them to have another chance to shine individually like earlier in the game.

>>1212543
Not just that, more scripted party splits are cutting into your freedom as a player. So it's a bit of a tradeoff, but I'm willing to take it if it means getting more meaningful story sequences and character interactions. I think I'm in the minority here, but I prefer an enjoyable playing experience over total freedom to fuck around with the gameplay and break the mechanics, even it means it's a bit more streamlined and on-rails. Matter of taste, I guess.

You could lessen the negative impact of not having enough limelight for everybody by the way by having less characters and cycling through them more often - frankly, FF6's 14 was too much, 10 or even 8 would have been more than enough.

>>1212587

>I think I'm in the minority here, but I prefer an enjoyable playing experience over total freedom to fuck around with the gameplay and break the mechanics, even it means it's a bit more streamlined and on-rails. Matter of taste, I guess.

Wasn't this for awhile the main difference between Japanese RPG's and American ones?

You know, they could probably make a whole game out of the War of the Magi and it still feel like a stand alone FF game.

>>1211303
>>1211307
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7KZg8ZQj4

>>1213387

>>1213387
I sure love the internet.

>>1213387
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7KZg8ZQj4

That was excellent, the format of the music is actually very well suited for what I assume is the intended feel of the music

>>1213429

It's funny when I listen some of the orchestrated versions of songs from the FFVI OST and they sometimes sound like completely different tracks.

>>1211492
>- If advent children wasn't there, we could have assumed that humanity was wiped out by the Planet, since you only see greens and nature AND Red with his sons alive at the end.

That's wrong though. You hear people, children laughing, living a happy life, at the end of the ending.

I thought the VA they got for Dissidia Kefka (both English and Japanese) was pretty good. If they did remake VI, I'd hire those guys again.

Which console is best for FFVI?

>>1213669
SNES and GBA are the only answers to this. SNES for the old-timey feel, but the GBA version is basically the best commercially available one and I think the game fits the platform neatly.

>>1213669
>>1213693

The GBA version is essentially the most definitive version with the Playstation version in a close second. Though there is a certain character to the original localization for SNES

>>1214168
>ever playing the PSX over the SNES version
Enjoy your game with the same script with only a few typo/length restriction fixes and load times.

>>1213669
There isn't a definitive version of VI which is a damn shame.

SNES
>Loads of bugs
>more limited translation (still good though)

PS1
>load times
>still all the negatives of the SNES version
>adds some FMV cutscenes if you're into that

GBA
>more accurate translation
>more content
>smaller resolution
>significantly worse visuals and sound (can be patched to fix them though but then you're stuck emulating it)

>>1214189
That sound patch sounds worse than the GBA soundtrack. It's of shitty quality and they took liberties in the Opera music. The GBA soundtrack is of very acceptable quality taking in the fact that it's on a system with inferior sound ability to the SNES.

>>1214191
> The GBA soundtrack is of very acceptable quality taking in the fact that it's on a system with inferior sound ability to the SNES.
Yeah, I don't mind some of the arrangements but I think it's missing a lot of the subtlety of the original version. I'm not a fan of it but I'm sure some people like it.

The GBA soundtrack actually sounds quite a bit like Genesis/Mega Drive music to me, it has that same harsh metallic sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtTzBvezDHo

>>1214189
>>1214191
The sound patch is ass. It creates this fuzz/static noise in the background that never goes away, which I find immensely distracting, to the point where I couldn't stand playing.

>>1214210
That video makes it sound worse than it actually is. It's sounds alright though headphones on a GBA or DS or with Winamp plugins. I've played the sound restoration hack on actual hardware with my exflash V and with emulators and it's quality does not sound very good. The GBA just can't play sound quality like the SNES can and it ends up sounding tinny and has a fuzzy noise in the background.

>>1214184

I have OCD, typos bug me.

>>1210739
>is Final Fantasy VI not respected enough?

I'm pretty sure the internet helped VI to gain the respect and praise he should've earned years ago

FFVI is far more overrated than FFVII at this point. It's a step back from the series from FFV and half the fanbase likes it because muh epik randum Kefka xD

>>1215160
>half the fanbase likes it because muh epik randum Kefka xD
I like how you failed to mention that half of FFVII's fanbase haven't even played FFVII and all they know about it and it's characters is from what they seen from Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts.
Anyway I can't stand the braindead Kefkafans and how they never never seem to mature beyond the "HE ACTUALLY DESTROYED THE WORLD AND IS THE BEST VILLAIN EVER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REAL MOTIVATION FOR IT!!!1!" bullshit and as someone who loves FFVI "fans" makes me want to beat myself up for liking it.

Also
>overrated
Using this word in attempt to make either FFVI or FFVII to look bad is a moot point, both games are overrated as fuck and the only game that comes anywhere near in this respect is Ocarina of Time. Besides overrated doesn't mean bad no matter what /v/ or /vr/ tells you and both games are masterpieces even if they are overrated.

>>1215160
>half the fanbase likes it because muh epik randum Kefka xD
I like how you failed to mention that half of FFVII's fanbase haven't even played FFVII and all they know about it and it's characters is from what they seen from Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts.
Anyway I can't stand the braindead Kefkafans and how they never never seem to mature beyond the "HE ACTUALLY DESTROYED THE WORLD AND IS THE BEST VILLAIN EVER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REAL MOTIVATION FOR IT!!!1!" bullshit and as someone who loves FFVI these "fans" make me want to beat myself up for liking it.

Also
>overrated
Using this word in attempt to make either FFVI or FFVII to look bad is a moot point, both games are overrated as fuck and the only game that comes anywhere near in this respect is Ocarina of Time. Besides overrated doesn't mean bad no matter what /v/ or /vr/ tells you and both games are masterpieces even if they are overrated.

>>1215160
How can anything be a step down from V? It was the worst game in the series.

>>1215116

I think some people are still disappointed it never got a remake like other old ones did.