/vr/ - Retro Games

I can't dodge in horizontal. But I'm bad at both

>>1207178

you dawg

what dat game on the left fool?

>>1207178
Both?

>>1207194

>>1207195
>Both?

That's a cop out you cock sucker.

Why don't we just turn our TVs the way we like for every game?

>>1207194
Battle Garage it's about a depressed garage owner who crashes planes into things.

>>1207178
I am more of a horizontal schoot'em up player myself.
But I dwable in verticals ocasionally.

As long as they are cool ships schooting aliens I'm I am fine with either.

Personally I think horizontal allows for better art, since you get to see things from the side instead of top-down.

Horizontal for stage design and graphics, vertical for bullet-hell dance and reflex/twitch based games.

If I had to choose I'd say horizontal, but despite them looking similar I consider them pretty different genres.

I generally prefer vertical.

Hey OP did you delete the thread in /v/ earlier to move it to /vr/ ?

>>1207225

No, I saw the thread in /v/ and decided it should go in /vr/ too. /v/ is too sanic fast.

Vertical all the way
Only disadvantage is that you must flip your crt (my is ~30kg) if you like to play both vertical and horizontal games

i prefer vert, and modern horis.

i CAN play older horis like Gaiares, but they REALLY kick my ass.

>>1207271
also post more shmup art

If you don't like both you stupid. But I definitely like more vertical games than horizontal. I think there is definitely more vertical than horizontal in existence.

someone say verticle

>>1207195
Neither.

>>1207604

>>1207195
>>1207604
All of those.

Horizontals tend to have level design and stage hazards and the like while verticals tend not to.
Verticals tend to move fast and have tons of bullets while horizontals tend to be a slower.

I love level design, and I love go fast dodging, so... cop-out answer, but it depends on what I'm in the mood for. I can't really say I enjoy one more than the other, and honestly, if I were to make a list of my favorite shmups, I think it would come out about 50/50 horis and verts.

tri-monitor horizontal.

You can't do that with vertical shmups.

>>1207650
>that feel when only this year i found out that picrelated is a woman

>>1207195
Damnit!

Axelay also!

>>1207652
Sure you could. It would just be awkward as hell and hurt your neck.

I don't see how you can pick.

Unless your only experience was Gradius 3 on the super nintendo and then I wouldn't blame you for hating horizontals.

how to get good at shmups ?

>>1207696
Drugs and sleep deprivation

I like both.

I'm absolutely terrible at shooting games though. Just dreadful. I've gotten a bit better in recent years at least.

>>1207195
UHGREED

>>1207195
both and platforming

Sparkster is a good SHMUP.

Vertical. I can't play horizontal schmups for the life of me. I blame my huge addiction to Xevious

>>1207696

Anyone know if there's any good schmups on Steam?

>>1207770
Jamestown.

>>1207765
Hide in the top corner of the screen when Yuuka uses her ulti.

>>1207770
Ikaruga should be launching soon.

>>1207775
fuck off

>>1207785
Why so hostile?

>>1207696

>>1207663
Why Super Nintendo?
Wouldn't they hate them more if it was the arcade version?
pic definitely related

>>1207663

This. As a shmup fan, you usually like both.

Easy, yes, but
>dat soundtrack

I prefer verticle myself, toaplan had the best verticle shmups too. Technosoft made the best horiztonal ones though imo.

>>1207879
The hardest metal known to man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sya6mhmygyM

>>1207178
both are good. isometric is good too (zaxxon, viewpoint)

>Schmup

>>1207770
ika mother tap-dancing rollercoasting fucking ruga

>>1207960
It's not on there yet, and if you are counting stuff that's only been greenlit but not released then the Tale of ALLTYNEX series is worth mentioning as well.
And hell, unlike Ikaruga, one of those games, Kamui, actually IS /vr/ material.

>>1207941
thank you

>>1208005
it shmups not schmup

>>1207178
Neither!

>>1208019
Hey there were more of those.

>>1208019
That's still horizontal, the way the screen is.

>>1208035
So according to you Mars Matrix is a horizontal shooter.

>>1207775
>>1207785
Jamestown is a good game. Got it in a humble bundle, so I suppose it cost me less than a dollar when you split the cost. Except some of the other games weren't worth money.

ITT: everyone admits they like both.

>>1207879
The higher difficulty settings are not easy at all.

>>1208060
Exactly. The question is, which games are the best in either format?

Horiz: Gradius
Vert: Raiden

>>1208082

>>1208082
Those are funny ways to spell Thunder Force and Aleste

>>1208098

If you don't like challenge why are you playing shmups?

>>1208121
Maybe he likes shooting things.

>>1208082
>selecting one game.
>they are entry level game to the genre.
pleb.

Horizontal :

Darius Gaiden.
Gaiares
Gate of thunder
Blazing Star
Parodius
R-Type
Disposable hero
Space Manbow
Aldynes.
Thunder Force IV

Vertical

Armed Police Batrider
Guwange
Mars Matrix
M.U.S.H.A. / Aleste
Dangun Feveron
Dimahoo
DonPachi
GigaWing
Gunbird 2
Radiant Silvergun

>>1208098
Those are funny ways to spell Gradius Gaiden and Armed Police Batrider.

>>1208131
>naming hundreds of extremely popular franchises

>>1208131
Well, when selecting 'best' you can't really pick more than one.

Also, subjectivity.

Also, I like your list, though I've only played a handful of those verticals.

>>1208137
You have just summed up Shmup General. We can all go home now.

The only shmups that really bother me are those fucking moe ones. Looking at you Deathsmiles...

>Group of young girls
>Strangely large breasts
Too fucking confusing... Just give me a mech or a fighter jet or some shit.

Verticle.
The eyes more naturally look up when scanning ahead.

The human brain distinguishes when things are farther or closer by it's location on the vertical axis.
If things are higher up in your field of vision, then the brain assumes it is farther away.

Thus, vertical displays are psychologically superior in this genre.

Of course, there's no reason you can't prefer horizontal instead.

>>1208121
>gradius is harder then musha aleste


raiden is slow ass shmup and it easy compared to others vertical shmups.

anyway you should check G-Stream G2020 if you like raiden.

>>1208143
you can't objectively select one game.

In schmups, is difficulty proportional to quality?

>>1208150
Samefagging, but shit. I get Parodius and games that don't take themselves too seriously but this moe shit.

Sometimes good gameplay, sometimes bad, always weird boner and no possible way to get into the game.

>>1208158
No.

>>1208158

Yes. Darius is the only exception because it has branching paths so you can't get bored of it right away after a quick clear. And robot fish are impossible to get bored of.

>>1208154
Then why are eyes horizontal and not vertical.

Checkmate atheists.

>>1208158
No.

>>1208158
for me it a mix of gameplay system + difficulty+bossfight.
sound design is important too.

i don't care that much about graphism but if all games could be as nice as toaplan games i will be a happy man.

>>1208121
You say that like Thunder Force and many Aleste games aren't challenging.

>>1208092
This guy

IS A SHIT

>>1207178
3D

>>1208186
lol no.

>>1208174
Because there is more horizontal space than vertical space that we need to see for survival. We don't really need to see that far upwards, however we need to see a lot on the horizontal axis. However, our peripheral vision isn't as good as our forward vision. That's why we move our eyes when we're looking at something to the side, instead of just using our peripherals.

checkmate christians.

>>1207604

Kamiya pls

>>1208186
I agree.
Too bad they're basically never made anymore.

>>1208186

This

>>1208186
3d is good but only galaxy force 2, afterburner 2, and space harrier. Star Fox is meh tier compared to those games.

>>1208210
Nah, eat shit.

>>1208202
I'm still waiting for a proper sequel to Star Fox 64.
SF64 was, is, and always will be my favourite game ever.

>>1208186
>>1208198
>>1208202
>>1208210
>>1208213

Railshooter, not a shmup.

why the fuck do nintendo fans always shit on every fucking thread in every fucking video games boards.

>>1208216

To be fair, it is considered a sub-genre.

>>1208218

/v/ is the perfect board for you bro.

>>1208216
Fair enough. Still my favourite game, though.

>>1208216
Star Fox isn't really a rail shooter since you aren't on rails. You have a character you can move around on a screen that advances automatically, the same as almost every shmup out there.

>>1208218
What the hell are you talking about?

>>1208224
then panzer dragoon should be the king of the genre not star fox.

>>1208232

No one in here really claimed it was king though.

>>1208224
lets not start an argument, guys.

>>1208235
I don't disagree, but citing wikipedia?

>>1208238
There's nothing wrong with the article, so there's no real reason not to use it as a source of information.

All shmups without free roman are rail shooters.

Horizontal

>>1208235
I know, I'm just saying the term doesn't really fit, even just by the name. You aren't really "on rails", so it doesn't really make sense.
I'm not interested in starting a huge argument about this, it's just an observation.

That said,
>Silpheed
>rail shooter
I think it's safe to disregard the entire page based on this alone.

>>1208259
I think it works as a rail shooter since the ships location on the screen is more or less just how you aim.

>>1208262
And dodge.

Fuck Sector Z.

>>1208262
Are you talking about Star Fox or Silpheed?

>If Star Fox:
It's also how you dodge obstacles and projectiles, and your movement and aiming are totally linked.
All of these things we have both just said about Star Fox are also true of Gradius, or DoDonPachi.

>If Silpheed:
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

>>1208268
I can't really recall how hard Sector Z was, really.
I usually only get hit once or twice if I don't manage to get a perfect run.

I'm totally bragging right now.

I like both. my favorite vertical shooter is Raiden and my favorite horizontal is UN squadron...

>>1208028

Firefight, my nigga

Raptor was my first shoot 'em up. I probably prefer vertical because of it.

>>1208281
I've never actually finished route 3, been making attempts every couple of days. If you die at the boss, it spawns you right before a total clusterfuck of spinning girders. Need to get the pattern down, but until I do it's like flying into the maw of the void.

>>1208268
>>1208287
Oh, you mean the first game.
That the level with those wireframe rectangular prisms everywhere?

>>1208287
Ehhh I wish I could help you out, but it's really been my favourite game since it came out, so I've been playing it a long time. It really has just become muscle memory for me.

Silpheed (SCD) is a cinematic shmup. Probably the only of the kind.

>>1208294
Yes indeed.

>>1208293
Thanks though, just need more practice and I'll get it.

>>1208301

How on earth have you managed to avoid playing any Taito or Treasure shmups?

>>1208301
I dunno, wouldn't something like RayForce or Eschatos (and tons of other examples) count?
They both have your ship flying through environments at all sorts of angles and shit, though they didn't use FMV trickery to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2p6U2cRlKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSHigcZvTA
And in RayForce at least, there's a ton of interaction with the scenery. Enemies fly out of it all the time, and you can target them and take them out before they reach you, or just shoot far off battleships just because.
Not even Silpheed had that. Interaction with the background was mostly limited to hitboxes that kill you that are synched up with something like an asteroid flying by in the FMV.

>>1208256
arent those run 'n gun?

>>1208256
Is run'n'gun shmup or its only genre?

>>1208458

Arcade.

boo hoo,all shumps are great
now the big question,which console is the SHUMP home
Saturn or Turbografx 16

>>1208461
>which console
hurr durr,i know that arcade is the SHUMP utopia,my question is what console is considered the SHUMP home

>>1208458
TG16
>dose arcade ports
>dose Hudson shooters

>>1208461
>>1208467
What console has the most shmups that weren't originally arcade games?

>>1208212
galaxy force 2 rapes star foxes furry little asshole until its raw and bleeding. Nintendrones have nothing on Yu Suzuki.

>>1208458
saturn

>>1208508
Genesis is my guess, but that's practically a shot in the dark.

>>1208210
I have a hard time believing you actually like space harrier

>>1208927
How can anyone NOT like Space Harrier?

>>1208927
Space Harrier is fucking awesome.

>>1208927
yeah are you fucking retarded man? YOU EVER BEEN TO THE FANTASY ZONE BITCH, the arcade version is a fucking masterpiece just like the other super scaler gamers. Each one of them are works of art. Space harrier enemies even have shmup like attack patterns pleb

>>1207770
>Anyone know if there's any good schmups on Steam?

Satazius

Doesn't surpass Gradius though. But a good clone.

>>1207209
>Battle Garage it's about a depressed garage owner who crashes planes into things.
Funnily enough, that's is EXACTLY what the game is about.
Crashing into things. And exploding. Lots of exploding.

>>1208458
360

Or PS1 for god tier shmups that weren't in arcades and were never ported until PlayStation Network happened like Einhander, R-Type Delta, Gradius Gaiden (only ported to PSP), Zanac X Zanac, and Harmful Park, and exclusive arcade ports with notable additional content like G-Darius and RayCrisis (though those were both on PC as well).

Best hori: Gradius 3. Awesome platformer-esque level design with lots of traps and obstacles. A really inventive "point buy" system for powerups.

Best vert: Dodonpachi Daioujou. Fucking insane amounts of enemies and bullets that make you feel like you're flying into Hell itself. Also, dat scoring system.

>>1209290
>Best hori: Gradius 3.

Never cared for 3.

Gaiden and V are the best.

>>1209290
Man, really? III is one of the weakest games in the Gradius series, imo.
I, II, V, and Gaiden are all significantly better.
If IV weren't so ugly and conventional I'd say that that game was better as well.

And there's still dozens of non-Gradius horizontal shooters I'd much rather play than Gradius III any day:
>most of the Darius series
>most of the R-Type series
>most if not all of the Parodius series
>most of the Thunderforce series
>most of the Cotton series
>X-Multiply
>Xexex
>Progear no Arashi
>Akai Katana
>Deathsmiles
>Einhander
>Sengoku Blade
>In The Hunt
>Boogie Wings
>Pulstar
>Blazing Star
>RayXanber III
>Border Down
>Metal Black
>Bio-Hazard Battle
and the list goes on.

do some of you want to play a game ?
we can organize a scoring contest just for fun.

>>1209364
I'm always ready for a game. What'd you have in mind? Preferably something that is easily emulated.

What does /vr/ think of sturmwind?

>>1209096
CAVE fan detected

>>1209364
>>1209408

We could play the Super Weekend Competition Star Fox, http://www.emuparadise.me/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_%28SNES%29_ROMs/Star_Fox_%28USA%29_%28Super_Weekend_Competition%29/35459

It's designed for scoring contests.

>>1209508
>>1209364
>>1209408

have you played gaiares ? it could be a cool contest.

>choosing the ship with the homing shot

I like vertical although Im better at horizontal. And my favorite vert shooter was Blazing Lazers on TG16. Was fucking cool as hell. Horizontal gotta go with Gradius. I remember playing R-Type on PS2 holy shit was that game a pain in my ass.

>>1208450
Though similar in some ways, Run & Gun games are a separate genre to Shmups because of their strong Platform elements.

>>1209753
the fuck is this game i lost trillion of times just into level 1

>>1209946
>strong platform elements
I don't know if I can agree with this.
Most run and gun games I can think of only have a level or two, or some very small sections of larger levels, with any serious platforming action.
Usually platforming is kept real simple, if it exists at all. The focus is mostly on dodging projectiles and shooting dudes.

Pic related. Pretty typical run and gun level design.
I mean hell, if anything at all makes it atypical, it's that there's lots of slopes rather than it being totally flat most or all of the time.

>>1209847
You mean,

>Choosing C-S in DoDonPachi with complete disregard to chaining
>Get a lucky 1-miss 1-ALL on your first week while holding down autofire, see into 2-4
>Claim the game is really easy

first score of the day.

>>1207696
Amphetamines.

>>1208186
That's not Panzer Dragoon Zwei

You silly bugger

How come nobody talks about this game!? NOBODY. Play it, damn you!

>>1210356
someone recomand it read the thread.

>>1208210
>>1208232
>>1210204
What the hell is wrong with you people?
No one said or implied that Star Fox was the best anything.
Quit trying to argue with claims that were never made. It's embarrassing.

>>1210356

I played it. Made by the metal slug dudes, IIRC. It's pretty good, and hard as nails. My best feat was complete the 1st two levels without losing a life.

>>1210356
I love the game. Honestly one of my favorites.

Really wish the music were on par with the visuals, though.
The composition is solid enough, but the sound quality just isn't there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Eo7c3xlVM
and the different music in the PS1/Saturn version doesn't really fit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWtfR4BE_M

>>1210160
catch as fuck 1st stage song. i don't even care if i'm dying a lot.

actually, i'm not

>>1210417
Could of at least put a good 3d shmup in there

>>1210540
He did.

Horizontal allows for actual level design. Vertical is just flying forward shooting ships

>>1210552
>implying 2fps fox is good
no try again

>>1210553
That is a retarded argument you can do just as much with one as you can with the other. Don't be an asshat

>>1210559
I'm not implying anything.
I'm saying outright that it is a good game.

>>1210571
it isn't though so you're trying to imply that it is.

>>1210560
Strictly speaking yes, but somehow horizontal feels like realism while vertical feels like abstract. Maybe it's only by association.

I like both of them but prefer horizontal, although I've only played the R-Type series and a few of the Gradius games. R-Type is much better in my opinion and probably one of my favorite game series.

I want to get into the genre more so what are some other good horizontal shmups?

>>1210582
Lords of Thunder!

>>1210573
Oh, but it is.

>>1210574
What do you mean by that? Theyre both pretty restricted in planes of movement. You're right though horizontal ones usually do have some level design, I was just saying it wouldn't be hard to do in a vertical one Elemental Master has some branching paths but they all go to the same spots. More often than not horizontal ones do allow for that though and I think vertical ones focus more on bullet dodging. Is that what you meant?

>>1210591
It's alright actually, I'm just more partial to the super scalers. I grew up playing tons of fox but now I find myself more partial to 2d sprite scaling.

>>1210590
Alright downloading now. What am I in for?

>>1210560
Well just take a look at any vertical shmup.

Most of them are focused on just shooting shit and dodging tons of bullets on a flat plane.

But with something like R-Type, you have not only the enemies and bullets, but stage hazards to dodge as well, which allows for much more varied and interesting level design which just isn't there in vertical shmups.

>>1210615
Yeah I get what you are saying. I was confused at first and saying it wouldnt be impossible for verticle ones to do that too, its just that they arent designed that way very often.

Go for both? Lifeforce (Salamander) on NES. It's a great game.

>>1210619
Vertical shmups are still good, hell, I've been playing the shit out of Summer Carnival and having a blast, but I prefer the focus on level design in horizontal shmups

>>1210625
try out blazing lazers on the turbo grafx 16 its verticle but theres lots off cool shit in the levels.

>>1210601
I mean in horizontal ones the levels usually feel like actual places, while in vertical ones they're more like backdrops to decorate whatever bullet-dodging exercises. You're right though, there are exceptions so maybe it's just a tradition to design that way more than anything.

>>1210606
I prefer Star Fox, but I can understand that.
I'd definitely be lying if I said that the speed of games like Night Striker or After Burner II wasn't appealing, or that Galaxy Force II wasn't fucking gorgeous in motion.

>>1210625
>I've been playing the shit out of Summer Carnival and having a blast
What game do you mean? Recca?
Summer Carnival was a shmup competition thing, not the actual name of the game.
It's confusing because there are some other games created specifically for the competition you could be referring to, like Nexzr or Alzadick.

>>1210652
Y-yes, Recca.

Sorry, I didn't know

>>1210638
the only way the games I'm talking about are better is if you are playing em on the actual machines. Like the Galaxy Force 2 machine. Sega in the arcade is just on another level though otherwise the arcade ports on the saturn are only slightly better than fox imo. I just wish fox was faster its why I like afterburner zipping its really intense but best music makes it so relaxing. Space Harrier also has the most good feels also very relaxing.

>>1210574
>horizontal feels like realism while vertical feels like abstract
Video games should always strive toward the abstract. This obsession with realism is why we have a million bland Curladurdy clones.

>>1210713
Video games should not always do anything aside from what suits an individual game best.
This obsession with dragging Call of Duty into every fucking discussion for no reason is why we can't have nice things.

Blade Buster is a decent shmup. And it's homebrew!

>>1210694
Are the cabinets themselves that important, or is it the quality of the ports that's in question?
I know Galaxy Force II had one hell of a set-up, and sadly that's the only one I have not had the chance to play in arcades. All I've played is the PS2 port, which is arcade perfect as far as I understand.

>>1210776
its the cabinets the ones for afterburner 2 and galaxy force 2 toss you around and its a ride too pretty much its awesome. The saturn ports are arcade perfect too pretty much, just no ride to experience. I would kill for galaxy force 2, afterburner 2, or atari star wars that game has some intense visuals too despite being a vector game and awesome sound. I wish arcades were a thing again :( like a place people go to hang out and play shit they can't play at home.

Has anyone here beat the Arcade version of Gradius 3? Holy shit that's hard as hell. Or maybe I just suck at shumps

>>1210806
It's hard as hell.
That doesn't necessarily mean you don't suck though.

>>1208028

I have been trying to remember the name of this game for 15 years.

thank you so much, Anon.

>>1210806
There was someone in the /vg/ threads last year that cleared it like a boss.

new score.

>>1207178
now that retro stuff is getting some popularity back, how likely is it to see axelay 2 happening?

>>1211261
not likely konami is retarded they would probably find some way to fuck it up too.

>>1211261
Considering what happened to Gradius, we would probably get Axelady.

>>1211304
There's already an Axelay-based character in Otomedius.
That's probably all we'll ever get.

I'd rather see a Xexex sequel, anyway.

>>1207178
Vertical ofcourse.

>>1211442
the only way to play

>>1208038
That's called vertizontal, and they're horrible.

post more TATE

>>1211453
>Mars Matrix
>Giga Wing
>Soukyugurentai
>Radiant Silvergun
>Recca
>RayStorm
>horrible

>>1211470
I can't stand Mars Matrix or Giga Wing, Souky is really hard to enjoy too. I won't say anything about RS so I don't start a shit storm, but Recca is really good though, Raystorm is ok too.

Also Jamestown, that game is so fucking wide, it's only good when you're playing it with other people.

Will there be any better shmups than Ketsui and Crimzon Clover?

>>1211442
>>1211462
more.
>>1211675
Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu Black Label -Ketsui Mode

>>1211701
forgot my picture.

How is DANMAKU UNLIMITED 2 ?
http://www.playism-games.com/games/danmaku_unlimited_2/

>>1211701
But it's just DFK with Ketsui ship.

>>1211723
>combine the 2 system with boxes going up to 10 this time.
>Ketsui options going up to 6.
>new patterns
>extend at 10billions.

>it the same game.

>>1211675
Do you mean specifically doujin shooters, or just in general?

>>1211986
Just in general, Ketsui isn't a doujin.

>>1211992
Oh yeah whoops, I was thinking of Kamui. My bad.

So I wonder if you guys can help me out. I remember a game my bud and I played on MAME and it was a vertical shooter and it had a high fantasy kind of theme an you played as magicians/wizards/whatever who throw magic out (kind of like touhou but it seemed more western magic oriented). I can barely remember anything but the fact you start in a forest-like area, and I think there was a red, green, and blue character to choose from. I have no idea if it was a cave shooter or not. In case it's not evident my picture is not related.

So yeah if anyone knows I'd appreciate it.

>>1212013
Check out if it's one of these:

Mahou Daisakusen
Dimahoo
Esprade
Espgaluda

>>1212026

Oh wow it was the first one. Thanks anon, now I can go back and beat it!

I'll be sure to check those other games out too.

>>1212035
Check out the sequel sometime, Dimahoo.

Speaking of Mahou Daisakusen and other Raizing games, are there any other method to play these without input lag than Shmupmame 3? It doesn't want to run on windows 7.

>>1212042

Try FBA.

>>1212042
>Shmupmame 2.2

>/
>tyrian
>no results found

>>1212096
I'd be more upset if there were like 4 or 5 results, personally. That's way too many.

>>1207195
>NINTEND OF AMERICA
>NINTEND
Why have I never noticed this before?

I really love shmup cover art.

>>1212096
It's about movement direction. Tyrian is not special like that. On the other hand, what was mentioned: >>1208019
>>1208028
>>1210835

>>1212096
>>1212451
Also raptor was mentioned >>1208289, but not stargunner.

>>1212461
Tyrian on a pivoting monitor would be cool.
Stargunner with widescreen with a two player mode would be cool.
...
Raptor on a pivoting monitor with a 2 player mode would be cool.

>>1207215
As do I, but there are some exceptional horizontal games. Some of my favorites from that orientation will always be Einhander, Gradius V, Metal Black, Border Down, and Thunder Force IV.

>>1207178
Vertical. And Battle Bakraid is the best.

Either orientation, I don't care. Though if your ship is elongated, it would be nice if the playfield dimensions are oriented similarly.

Are there any horizontal shooters that predominantly have you flying to the left? And not just the odd stage like they do in Arrow Flash.

>>1213190
Scramble

>>1213190
Makes me wonder if there's any vertical shooters that scroll downward.

>>1213204
Abadox.

>>1213207
Well yeah, but only for some levels.
I was more wondering if there's any games that do it for most/all of the game, the same way that other guy is wondering about shmups that scroll left.

>>1211453
>>1211470
>>1212468
Yup.

Souky is my favorite shooter.

>>1213925
I would love to try it out, but I can't get it to run on SSF, and the Playstation port is horrible.

>>1213931
You could always try emulating the ST-V version.

>>1213958
ST-V games run like shit when emulated on anything.

I've played many great horizontal and vertical shooters, but the ones I've enjoyed the most are vertical. The problem's the screen, I know.

I'll go with vertical, but that's my opinion. It's not superior to yours. After all this is America, man. Home of the eagle. Everybody's free to have an opinion and express it, man.

>>1207215
Niiiiiiiiice...
That game alone justified the construction of my home made arcade joystic. I play it on the Wii but I wouldn't mind a cartridge.

>>1208186
Also pretty triumphant. Railshooters are pretty engaging.
Remember Space Harrier? I think the engine was the same Afterburner used. I'm like, ridiculously good at Space Harrier. Almost unfairly so, considering I didn't play it since like 1990 when I was 10.

New Cotton game when?

>>1207178
Great debate my ass.

>vertical master race

Vertical is better in real arcade machines where they have the screen aligned the right way for vertical play. Horizontal are great on normal tv due to being aligned for the tvs normal layout.

>>1214087
Not cool, man. When you talk about master races you hurt us all and you hurt yourself.

I agree vertical shooters are nicer, but that's my opinion and it's as valid as someone else's opinion. This is America, man. Home of the eagle.
If someone has enjoyed horizontal shooters more than vertical shooters, who am I to say "hey, you're wrong! Enjoy what I enjoy". Be cool, man.

Speaking of horizontal shooters
>>1214013
I know, right? I'd give them fantastic night dreams, if you know what I mean...

>>1214125
this is europe

>>1207178
>the gr8 deb8

Vertical. No fucking contest.

1942 is my favorite shooter to end all shooters.

>>1214151
you have a horrible taste

>>1214164
No way. 1942 arcade is great except for the music.

>>1214164
You can't argue with the fact that a bird's eye view is optimal for showcasing the art and graphics of a game.

>>1214148
Yeah. Also, I'm actually Hispanic. But still, respect the opinions of others, man. Be cool.

This is South America, man. Home of the penguin.
Speaking of penguins, remember how triumphant this game was? Horizontal, too. So you see, the good Earth has place for us all. Horizontal lovers, vertical lovers, railshooter lovers... nice games have been developed in all these orientations and perspectives, man.

I like vertical better but I don't see myself above others. No "master races" here, man.

>>1214172
No tate, no play.

>>1214171
Are you kidding? Horizontal is way better for having pretty graphics.

>>1214006
Aww, gunbird, yeah!

That's what pivoting monitors are for.

I have a pivoting 16:9 screen.

I had a nonpivoting 16:10 screen, the contrast ratio and power conversion buzz were even worse.

I also had 2 17" and 2 19" CRTs. I don't like any one of those, and not just because not any one of them was a high grade trinitron.

I missed out on some viewsonic P220s and P225.

Death to people who aggressively meddle in my tech.

>>1214213
Damn right Gunbird! Talking about Gunbird.

>>1214013
I'd rather play a LWA shump.

>>1214283
I would play the hell out of that.

My favorite game is vertical, but I play mostly horizontals.

I cant decide but I can say that its such a hassle to rotate the monitor...

>>1207178
The great debate

>>1214363
Yagawa for me because he done 3 my favorites games Battle garegga.APB and ibara.

>>1207178
i ass fucked her so hard it was fucking swesa

Did somebody say Gunbird?

I mean, I know I did; but sis someone else say Gunbird?

>>1214482
Pivoted gunbird!

>>1215109
Yeah, I guess that makes sense but now she can't fly properly.

Silver Surfer is a great shump once you discover these 3 details
1)know how and when to switch the direction of your second beam
2)Select=BOMB
3)in verical shooting sections,keep shooting and if you see bullets blocked,that means a wall[same applies for horizontal]
also,Silver Surfer is both vertical and horizontal and it has a seriously kickass music

God is here.

Don't give me the bullshit GIT GUD response, /vr/ - what are some shmups that won't push my shit in?

not fair, you posted a kickass vertical shooter (strikers 1945) with an decent shooter (but with intangible appeal - good atmosphere)) (einhander) and a highly overrated and boring shooter (gradius)

>>1214482
>>1215109

can't play this in ssf beta r3

it's all glitched plz help

>>1215851
Deathsmiles
Axelay
Espgaluda
Blue Wish Resurrection+
Eden Aegis
Cho Ren Sha 68K
Armed Police Batrider (Normal Course)
Battle Bakraid (Normal Course)
Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu
Batsugun Special
Karous
Thunder Force 3

Also everything on PC-Engine
For example:

Blazing Lazers
Super Starsoldier
Air Zonk
Gate of Thunder
Lords of Thunder

>>1215851

steam hearts

>>1215861
is this a troll post ?

>>1215882
No, how so? Those are some of the easier stgs I've played.

>>1207178
>2013
Why not both?

>>1216145
I can see all that has been.

>>1207271
That's one sweet ass jet.

I've been playing DonPachi recently and still haven't managed to clear the first loop of it, but I've been wondering: does anybody actually choose this piece of shit green ship? It has less firepower than the red ship, and is the same speed as the blue ship but its shot doesn't cover anywhere near the same amount of space on the screen. I seriously don't see any upside to picking this one at all.

>>1217279
I tried to use it because it looks cool but it really isn't a good ship at all.

>>1217291

That's what I'm thinking, too. I love its design, visually, but it seems so shitty. On the other hand, I'm reading now that the highest score recorded for the game was obtained with it, so who really knows.

>>1217279
don't try to score for your first loop.

just learn your patterns and work your way from there.

also remember this >>1207790

>>1207604
nigga you just went full zaxxon

>>1217374

Yeah, I haven't. I mean, I chain when I can just to work toward getting an extra life. I've also been playing it with one credit at a time. I'm really bad at timing bomb uses (I always hit the button right after I die and don't manage to save myself). I've never made it to the boss of stage four, but I've slowly been going through it.

>>1215874
platform?
all i got when google was Steam[the online store thing] stuff

why nobody has created a 4D shump?

>>1218204
Saturn

>>1218207
It's called Ikaruga.

>>1215874

woah nelly

>>1207778
Too late, even my shitty laptop can emulate the Dreamcast well enough to play Ikaruga perfectly.

>Xanac x Xanac

Only top down I've ever liked. Neo Xanac is grat.

please call them STGs

there are more vertical STGs that are any good

>>1222661
Nah, think I'll stick with shmups.
Might even start calling them schmups like OP if that annoys you more.

>>1222670
good for you faggot

they're still STGs

>>1222661
>please call them STGs

What does STG stand for?

>>1222673
ShooTing Game

it's just a better, more accurate name

>>1222674
>it's just a better, more accurate name

It makes no less sense than shmup.

>>1222672
Spaceship SchmupTG it is.

>>1222674
Who is "shooting game" any more accurate than "shoot 'em up"?
Both names imply nothing more than that you shoot stuff.
Either could be applied to stuff Doom or Gears of War without really being wrong going by the genre name alone.
It's literally the same shit.

>>1222678
>Who is "shooting game"
Time for bed.

>>1222646
That soundtrack is certainly pretty spectacular at times, if nothing else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF-3E1Mcre8

>>1225090
Honestly, that doesn't look too difficult to dodge. The orange shots clear out before the pink ones fill the screen. And the latter follows a pretty regular pattern with no other companion shots to get in the way.

>>1225101
Being invincible doesn't hurt.

I need help with Xevious. So far I can get to the second boss before I fall apart. I have two concerns:

1: There is an extra life early on, before the first boss. After the gray tiles fly by the first time, there is a little pond. Bombing the pond will sometimes reveal an extra life, but sometimes it doesn't. Is there a way to get this consistently?

2: In the pic, what are these crystals? Before the second boss they swarm me, merge, and fly off the screen. Do they actually do anything?

>>1225985
>They always occur at the same point along the map, but their horizontal location can vary.

>These defensive troops are indestructable. Two will appear (the Kiyapunaito and the Sepunaito) spinning around, until they home in on the position of your ship, where they meet and join together, and fly back to the top of the screen at a high speed.

Source: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Xevious/Getting_Started

>>1226058
I wonder what the point of those enemies is. Just to scare you? Thanks for the link.

I play the NES version. Does anyone know if the Sol Towers are in this one or only the arcade version?

>>1226089
Nevermind, I answered my own question.

New thread.
>>1226292

>>1217279

Just don't try to score in DonPachi at all, except for getting cheesy chains on the first stage which is otherwise a total non-event past the first few goes. DoDonPachi is where it's at.

DonPachi is worth it for the Toaplanness and the greatest announcer of all time.

>>1214363

Ikeda, because Garegga is Yagawa's only true masterpiece and most of it had to do with the stark, stylized, unsurpassable aesthetic (which he didn't draw; he designed the game). Ikeda's talent endures and his formula has thoroughly stuck.