/vr/ - Retro Games

I like the gameboy Fire Emblems

>>1190270
Permadeath always spooked me too much to really get into those unforutnately. So much pressure!

Vandal Hearts on PS1.

>>1190273
they're pretty easy though :)

I'm absurdly bad at japanese rpgs of any sort, Sacred Stones on the GBA is like the only jrpg I've ever beaten

Stop being so weeaboo and play Jagged Alliance 2.

>>1190292
Heard good things about it. Is the gameplay similar to fallout?

>>1190273
>Permadeath always spooked me too much to really get into those unforutnately.

Most people just savescum anyway.

You can give Tactics Ogre a shot, too.

>>1190292

You can just recommend your games without being a faggot, you know.

>>1190284

You should try Tales of.
It's not turn-based so there isn't as much strategy involved, but the characters, story and battle-system are like near-perfect in every fucking game except for like Graces which sucks.

>>1190264
FRONT MISSION

FM3 is a very good start and a great game.

Games are about customizing mechs (wanzers) and the numbers and stats can get very extreme (depends on game). The stories are all about politics and wars and stuff. No children saving the world from ancient evil, etc.

Front Mission 1
Its dated and the story isnt that interessting. Still playable.

Front Mission 3
Overall the best for beginners but battles are a little small. Also features a giant fake internet with tons of content.

Front Mission 4
Improved gameplay compared to 3, but much worse story and characters

Front Mission 5
Gameplay like 5 but only really works if you played the series because it connects all the games and ends the series (RIP)

(never played FM2 but its more complex than 3 and has a good story)

>>1190346
He should try doom and crysis aswell, so good games! :)))))) xDDDDDD

Super Robot Wars OG 2 is a pretty good SRPG.

>>1190292
Stop being such a /b/tard and stop insulting people for no reason even when recommending things

>>1190346
but none of those games are T/SRPGs...

>>1190363
despite OPs pic, GBA is against the boards rules because it falls out of they year cut off, and the mods seem rather strict about it, despite the fact that every game for it are similar to SNES games.

>>1190305
its basically a little bit more complex version of fallout tactics, so yeah

>>1190307
Fire Emblem No death runs are not that bad on carts.

Just have to be defensive as all hell

Castle Fantasia 2 (Renewal) was alright though it could have been a bit more challenging after the first fight.

>>1190420
this something I never understood, why would anyone recommend a game and then be like "but it's not very good" near the end?

>>1190450
He said it was too easy.

>>1190373
Stop being so butthurt over what was obviously meant to be cheeky and not an outright insult.

>>1190450
Does being easy make a game bad? People have different skills and interests so it may suit some but not everyone.

>>1190353
the SNES front mission (1) is pretty good. i think theres like 8-10 dudes you use 4-6 at a time, but you can do the whole game with just the main character. he basically gets 4-6x the xp and becomes a god.
theres another FM game on SNES but its a sidescroller shoot/beat-em-up, still pretty fun though

>>1190475
>FUCK U FOR BEING WEEABOO
>not an outright insult
may I remind you, yet again, that it's isn't /b/?

>>1190491
FM1 is good but FM3 is the best entry.

The sidescroller is called gun hazard and is also very nice and extremely long but lacks the customizing aspect (there are only like 5 different wanzers and 4 primary weapons)

>>1190504
>>FUCK U FOR BEING WEEABOO
>>not an outright insult
>may I remind you, yet again, that it's isn't /b/?


>this entire post

first of all, nobody ever said "FUCK U FOR BEING WEEABOO", this tactic of stirring shit up is 15 year old /v/tard shit. Also, if you seriously take offense to the word "weeaboo" and think it's some ugly racial slur used exclusively by /b/, you must be some kind of special retard. If you couldn't see the obvious humor in >>1190292 then you should probably go see a doc, not being able to detect humor is on the autism spectrum bro


tl;dr die soon

>>1190516
>first of all, nobody ever said "FUCK U FOR BEING WEEABOO"
No, he did basically say the same thing in different words though

>this tactic of stirring shit up is 15 year old /v/tard shit
other people had insulted him for being a prick before I did though, so I was hardly "stiring up shit".

>If you couldn't see the obvious humor
there really wasn't any humor at all in that post, it was an insult and then a game recommendation. If you seriously regard this as humor you should certainly go back to /b/, where you belong.

also
>using autism as an insult
>telling me to die
yeah, you belong on /b/

>>1190536

Whoa... the autism in your post is staggering.

Fire Emblems are good.

Super Robot Wars / Super Robot Taisen are also good, but the truly retro ones are retro hard, and the newer ones will troll the hell out of you on some levels.

Front Mission (SNES) is good, play it.

>>1190553
>Front Mission (SNES)
The NDS version is better.

>>1190536
>No, he did basically say the same thing in different words though
except not really

>other people had insulted him for being a prick before I did though, so I was hardly "stiring up shit".

The act of taking something someone says completely out of context or just changed completely, along with some spelling errors added with all caps as a nice cherry on top is the focal point here, my turn of phrase "stirring shit up", however, is not.

>there really wasn't any humor at all in that post, it was an insult and then a game recommendation. If you seriously regard this as humor you should certainly go back to /b/, where you belong.

If you seriously can't see the humor in juxtaposition of games with different aesthetic approaches but ultimately similar gameplay, then insisting that they're a weeaboo despite the games being similar then you need to go back to fucking gamefaqs because anyone that treats /b/ as such a boogeyman as you must have certainly arrived from there.

>also
>using autism as an insult
>telling me to die
>yeah, you belong on /b/

I didn't use autism as an insult, please point out where I did, all I said was that not being able to detect humor is on the spectrum (which it is). If this rubs you the wrong way then that's not my problem man

also
>telling me to die

I didn't tell you to die, I merely expressed my hope that you meet your end soon because you're a shitty person. I wouldn't wish death on anyone, that's just mean.

>>1190417

I meant reloading chapters. I play FE games on emulators and never, ever use save states.

I know some people are crazy enough to save a state before a level up, but that's way too autistic for me. It ruins the flow of the game, if you ask me.

>>1190593
actually, it's autistic people that would have a problem with using save states...

>>1190608
Care to explain?

>>1190565
really? come on... isn't it time we just moved on, this entire argument is going in circles, and all because I made a tongue in cheek reference to /b/.
I find this sort of behaviour rude and immature and not fitting for this board.
you find it funny.
ok, we have established that we have different standards, so lets not turn this into thesis statement and just agree to disagree and move on.

>>1190613
It wouldn't be authentic to original game play and would be a change in the way the game was made. Anything like this makes some autistic people flip out.

>>1190620
I never said anything about authenticity nor did I "flip out"

>>1190565
actually western strategy RPGs and Japanese ones have VERY different types of game play.

>>1190264
>dat art
>dat music
>dat chemistry between Sanzo and Son Goku
Totally worth.

>>1190621
oh, god, are you that same asshat that has turned a simple argument into a multi-page paper? Also, I was answering your question, why is my answer invalid simply because I introduced things you had not mentioned?

>>1190629
wait.... isn't this game well known for being horrible though?

>>1190632
Your answer is invalid because it doesn't describe me at all.

Front Mission is pretty interesting. In a storytelling sense, it's one of the few settings Square's done that's "mature" and the main scenarios can be pretty challenging throughout the series, with FM3 being the easiest and FM2/5 the hardest.

You also gotta get on that Tactics Ogre stuff. Total precursor to FFT, same developers and all. One of the first Japanese isometric SRPGs too, predated by Front Mission 1 by 6 months or so.

If you don't mind stretching the retro part though, I strongly suggest the PSP port of TO: LUCT though. Well written script, more fleshed out classes and abilities to put the customization on par with FFT, a streamlined UI, and gutting the need to grind via training mode.

Langrisser/Warsong is an oldie too, playing a bit like a larger scale Fire Emblem with disposable grunts. The later games have complex scenarios with branching paths similar, though not as impacting, as Tactics Ogre's.

>>1190637
that's nice and all, but I never mentioned you or inferred that what I was talking about was directly related to you, I simply said that it wouldn't be very likely that the people that used save states had autism. This isn't certain other board, not everything is meant as a direct insult.

>>1190636
I don't think the game is well known for anything, at all. The very few reviews its gotten were lukewarm to ok. Only time I see it brought up is because of its unusual protagonist, in that he/she isn't a godly deathmachine as usual in SRPGs.

>>1190646
>not having actually lived through the 90s
>not realizing that there are opinions that aren't game critics
>not realizing that even though it's forgotten now it could have been well known for a short time close to when it actually came out.

>>1190646
>isn't a godly death machine as usual
how many SRPGs have you actually played?

>>1190652
Don't be a nignog.

The only SRPG for most kids on the block was FFT for the longest time. MAYBE that "one Asian kid" with all the obscure titles would talk about Brigadine or Hoshigami. That, and Saiyuki came out when the PS2 was already released.

>>1190665
I can't think of a single Japanese SRPG where the main character isn't above average or powerful. Even in Fire Emblem, for every Marth and Roy there is, there's a Sigurd, Alm, or Ike in their place. All the series mentioned in this thread has powerful protagonists.

>>1190512
i havent played any of the newer ones but most of the weapons and armor in 1 were more or less the same. short range x shots times y power, unarmed, long range, handheld longrange. the only thing that really changed was the picture.

i remember the desert level where you can buy tank treads instead of legs an you get crazy good movement, and the level where you can rob secret shit from the train you ambush. and that level in the city at night with the giant bug-looking walker. such a good game. i'll have to try out 3 i guess.

>>1190553

>>1190698
>Brigadine
Oh god yes.

>>1190264
I made a thread on /v/ awhile ago that's still up. Suprised to find another thread of the same topic.
>>>/v/217559625

>>1190797
OP here, saw that. We pretty much had the same idea at similar times on different boards.

Spooky shit man.

Since we're on the topic of Tactical RPGs, anyone care to explain Ogre Battle: MotBQ, Tactics Ogre: LUCT, and Ogre Battle 64? Such as how they're similar/different, how good are they, what are they like, playing order, etc. And hell, why don't we throw in FFT in there for good measure.

>>1190512
>FM1 is good but FM3 is the best entry.
Ah, no. FM3 is the weakest of the numbered games. The two main characters are boring, the ejection bullshit is annoying, and you're limited to only 4 wanzers in a single fight. The two different paths in the story was pretty cool, though.

5 > 1 > GH > 4 > 2 > 3 > Alternative > Evolved

>>1190698
yeah, confirmed for never actually living through the 90s

>>1190982
Not that guy, but I'm over here waiting for you to actually throw out some examples. I haven't played many SRPGs but the ones that I have played (basically just Fire Emblem and FFT) did have overpowered protagonists, I'd like to check out a few that don't. So, if you don't mind?

>>1190842

Tactics ogre is an offshoot. I've never played MotBQ, but I've played 64, so I can comment on that.

OB games are RTS', with automated battles between units. You can gave very base guidelines for the unit to follow in a fight, but not much more. The depth comes in the unit compositions that you can create, and the attacking priorities/victory+defeat functions. You also have awesome stuff like combo magic that's based on the unit morale (how long they've been together, whether they're an evil aligned unit killing good units or vice versa), and a bunch of subtle or outright hidden mechanics. Class advancement, unique characters/classes, etc... there's just so much to do in the game.

Tactics is FFT but in the ogre setting. Still an amazing game, though.

>>1190608
>actually, it's people who actually play the game it was meant to be played and not hack like a little cheap bitch would have a problem with using save states...

Fixed that for you.

>>1190996
wtf, but the post you are talking about isn't even connected to the post I'm replying to

>>1190996
I was replying to the first half of your post...

>>1191059
the post*>>1191021
>d not hack lik

>>1191021
god damn it you stupid fucks, why the fuck do you morons think that autism is always an insult, 4chan has fucked up your ability to think clearly

>>1190264
BEHOLD!
Disciples II: The Dark Prophecy

I dont even know why industry doesnt make more similar games ;___;

older:
all of the Ogre Battles
FFT
Vandal Hearts
the Fire Emblems
Koei strategies like Nobunaga's Ambition or Romance of the Three Kingdoms
X-Com
Sakura Wars
Bahamut Lagoon


newer:
Cardhunter
Jeanne D'Arc
Phantom Brave
Stella Deus
Metal Gear Acid

you can also check out some PC 4X games with RPG and grid-battle elements like Heroes of Might and Magic 1-3, the gold box D&D games, or Age of Wonders.

>>1191059
Oh, okay, that wasn't my post though.

Vanguard Bandits

Eternal Eyes.

>>1191109
>I dont even know why industry doesnt make more similar games ;___;

Age of Wonders III, bro.

>>1190629
i was just agonizing over what game to play. You have answered my dilemma sir.

>>1190560
>massive slowdown between turns and attacks
>music sounds worse

At least the new scenario is fun.

>>1190842
Tactics Ogre games are turn based. Ogre Battle is Real time strategy.

Start with Person of Lordly Caliber on the 64 if you want to go for the Ogre Battle ones. It's more forgiving on the battlefield than March of the Black Queen.

Also, remember:
-Try to have units with one or two healers.
-Keep an unit with a shield in most, if not all your units.
-You'll mostly end up being lawful; it's easier with the liberations and all.
-Read about alignment and how it is important in liberating or capturing towns.
-A Lich is great, and a Princess is godsent
-Don't be afraid of overusing healing items.
-Gang up on one enemy unit each. That goes for Tactics Ogre as well.
-Be afraid of Gorgons and Cockatrices. Seriously... assault those units from behind or flee as soon as you can. You can get three units easily incapacitated with a petrified leader

The story is very enjoyable on both games, dealing with an overwatching empire excerting pressure over a weaker, convulted one. Then, magic weapons, the myth of gods, humans and ogres appear and it escalates quickly.

There's Onimusha Tactics and Tactics Ogre- Knights of Lodis for GBA.

I liked them both but stopped playing in favour of other games.

Since everyone else has mentioned most of the others, I could recommend Fantasy General and Battle for Wesnoth.

They're older but follows similar mechanics.

>>1194379
I still think the Ogre series are more enjoyable if played chronologically.
There's just too many recurring characters and references that will be lost otherwise.

>>1194592
You're right on that. I was taking gameplay over story.
Though i still enjoyed playing March of the Black Queen after Let os Cling Together. After everything that happened in the Valerian Isles, i didn't have to think twice to make Lans Hamilton's unit the one i used the most.

Was Marche the real villain?

No heroes of might and magic 3, for shame, vr.
Op if you haven't played it do yourself a favor and play it soon

>>1197823
Would you really consider it a tactical roleplaying game? Strategy is a too large part of the game to be simply dismissed.

>>1190384
Uhh, actually...

>>1199005
Are there any good english patches for the Game Boy games in that series? I can only seem to find abandoned projects...

>>1199154
Enough to play it? Sure. I've beaten all of em. Tales story is fucking shit anyways so you ain't missing anything.

anything Disgaea. after I played Tactics Ogre and PS1 FFT I was kinda astonished by how well done Disgaea 1 and 2 was in terms of story but also making an interesting setting that isn't the same old same old shit full of regular knights, clerics and mainstream fantasy plot. it focuses on hellish and space like creatures instead. Also, Geo Panels are an interesting feature that other game series seemed to lack among other mini-game ventures.

>>1191116
Wasnt Stella Deus a tad too easy?
And had horrible voice acting?

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Disgaea yet?

>>1199178
Well there's hardly any strategy to it...

>>1199207

That doesn't make it not a SRPG. And if you really want to get technical, you don't need strategy for FFT either.

The more likely reason it wasn't posted is because we're on /vr/

Summon Night
Black Matrix.

>>1199178
/vr/

>>1199178
Because it's not retro? Although granted, OP started with a FFTA pic...

>>1199164

yes on both counts but I enjoyed it.

Faselei for the neo geo pocket color

>>1201662
It's not really an rpg but it's still pretty interesting and something I don't think a lot of people have heard of

>>1190536
>Getting this insanely butthurt over an insult

You might as well have tattooed "I'm new as fuck lol!" on your forehead. 4chan is not your own personal little hugbox. Fuck off to /r/gaming you tremendous faggot.

>>1190480
>Does being easy make a game bad?

Yes.

>>1201769
Especially in the case of tactical/strategy games

>>1190536
>crying over an insult on 4chan
Maybe you should just fuck off.
This is clearly not the right place for you.