/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1140086
Wireless peripherals are a retarded idea. The only controller that had to be wireless was the Wiimote. No controllers, keyboards or mice ever need to be wireless.

In a word, OP: AGREED. Pointless retarded gimmick us retarded and pointless.

>>1140108
>No controllers, keyboards or mice ever need to be wireless.
i don't agree
keyboards and mice being wireless is perfectly fine for if you use your tv as a monitor

imagine having a wired remote control for your tv
wires can be a bitch for some things

games though, when you have the controller in your hand, you're not letting it go till you're done playing, so yeah that shit doesn't need to be wireless

>>1140114

OP here, I have got a wireless logitech keyboard I'm on right now because my laptop is connected to my TV. I was talking specifically about games. I mean, I MIGHT be more comfortable with wired controllers if they could run off two AAs for a year, the way my wireless keyboard can.

>>1140086
>bitching about wireless
Seriously its for convenience. If it upsets you so much, stop using cellphones, tv, the internet etc.

Or you could, you know, grow up.

>Also, I liked when computers were too complicated for regular people to use them. DOS was our own special little nerdy language
>DOS was our own special little nerdy language
>our own special little nerdy language
If anything, you're the hipster.

>>1140140
>>If anything, you're the hipster.

>mfw i use dos. to write code in assembly language. for a program with cga graphics and pc speaker music.

>>1140114
Connecting your PC to a TV is a questionable solution in general.

>>1140140
We're talking about controllers, dimwit. What do cellhones have to do with that?

I like that Hit Bit MSX2.

My projector and my PVM have wired remotes.

I had RF wireless controllers for my VCS but they went through batteries like a motherfucker and my dad returned them. I've been meaning to pick up another set though now that batteries are better and much cheaper.

I prefer the wireless controllers for gen 7 and Logitech made some pretty great wireless controllers for gen 6 too.

>>1140157

>that blog

>>1140258

I have no love for wireless but credit should be given for this thing.

As long the peripheral doesn't eat batteries like candy like in the /vr/ days, wireless isn't too big of a deal for me. The wireless XBox360 controller is a surprisingly respectable battery sipper.

I, too, hate forced wireless. I have no complaints about the PS3 controller because I can plug that sucker in and forget all about everything I hate about wireless controllers but shit like the Wii classic controller which plugs into the Wiimote and a Logitech wireless peice of shit for PC which I have lying around, barely used make me want to stab my own face off.

I have a wireless keyboard which I use as a remote control (never for games or typing) and that's fine for what I use it for but it pisses me off that I can't plug it in to charge the batteries.

I also sort of agree about DOS. It kept idiots away but it wasn't really all that complicated once you started to use it. To this day I can't help but be shocked when my peers, supposed IT profressionals, don't know the basic DOS-like commands for the Windows command line or Unix shells. I'm not talking about complex stuff, I'm talking about the 'cd' command.

>>1140936

I'm not even an IT person and I know DOS better than IT guys I know.

It would even help if games stopped having spoken dialogue tracks. At least when there was a large volume of reading required, there was a genre of games that automatically filtered out idiots and children.

can I just say it? Fuck DLC, and fuck achievements.
The former is a great idea on paper (a platform to give more life to your game after you beat it), but in execution, it is complete and utter bullshit and it only encourages lazy game design (Game is designed from the start with DLC in mind, purposely withholding content to sell it to you later). It's like every game you buy today it's just a fancy demo or unfinished prototype unless you buy the DLC. And don't even get me started in the preorder exclusive bullshit.

The later is a shitty replacement for unlockables now that actual unlockables are DLC. It's absolutely pointless to anyone but the OCD attention whoring generations of today, and it gives me 0 motivation to play a game after beating it once, because I'm not gonna 100% my game just for a lousy piece of text I can show my friends online. How about giving me an actual reward for my effort, like all those characters/modes/weapons/costumes/stages/cheats/etc. you're trying to sell to me, you cheap bastards?

>>1140991

DLC is the sort of thing that some people will do right, and some people will fuck up.

But yeah it's mostly the cancer. Ideally it should be like expansion packs back in the day.

I mean the good ones. The recent DLC for XCOM: Enemy Unknown comes to mind.

>>1140991
Achievements aren't anything but personal score pads to keep because of..no reason, really. There's no reason to hate them, and they certainly aren't a replacement for unlockables.

>>1141003
But they are
A lot of them basically have the same conditions you had to clear before to unlock new content, except this time developers took all the content and just left you a big, fat "I.O.U" note in its place, also known as an achievement.

>>1140086

I'm old and I disagree with every one of your points, embrace the future, progress is a wonderful thing!

>>1141054

>implying there aren't a bunch of things about games now that are way shittier than they used to be

>Also, I liked when computers were too complicated for regular people to use them.

OH yes there was a time when computers were used only by two kinds of people: hobbyists and professionals. Sometimes we called professionals 'end users' and that was it.
Now the PC is just another device in par with the washing machine.

>>1140086
I think everyone here can unite under the fact that tablets are, as unfortunate as it is, the future. Handhelds, consoles, the Personal Computer--in a few years they will all be consumed by the casual iPad audiences' maw.

Your, and my, preferred way of things are going away. Previous generations had old men and women complaining, "Things ain't the way they use ta be," but kids that are 20 years old now will end up saying that before the end of the decade.

>>1140086
>I don't give a FUCK about online shit
>why do I want to engage with them

why are you here?

>>1140086
>Also, I liked when computers were too complicated for regular people to use them.

Become a Linux user.

>>1142404
The thing that bugs me about touch screens is how unsanitary they are to me. I'm a bit of a germophobe and having some slick, glossy screen with fingerprints all over it all of the time grosses me out. I don't like using my fingers. I cringe when I see someone touching a touchscreen like that. After all the time I spent getting my screens to be clear and clean. I don't think I could handle a tablet unless it had a stylus. When the pin pads at stores have a missing stylus and I have to use my fingers or when I use the ATM they feel so dirty from people's fingers. So I'll probably start carrying an extra DS stylus or something I guess. Maybe I sound crazy. But it just makes me feel rather nauseous.

As for back when computers were harder to learn and not as user friendly, I didn't have one then. We were poor folk and computers weren't very affordable then. I'm not computer illiterate. But I just don't have the experience with these really old devices.

But the old way doesn't really fit in with today's "touch screen, get stuff" mentality. Not everyone wants to sit around having to program their computer or mobile device to do something when it's just easier to download the latest apps created by someone else. And you won't sell many devices if the only way to make them do things is the old fashioned way. Although I think it would be amusing if junior had to jump through some hoops to get Angry Birds to install and run on his ipad.
As for PCs, I don't like to think they will go away. I like my PC. A tablet might be nice for mobile use or casual use. I'd like to get one for my mom. But with major title PC games and movies I think people would often rather have a larger screen. I think that we'll just see TVs becoming more and more married to PC stuff. I'm surprised they don't already come with small hardrives and their own OS yet. And PCs will pretty much be relegated to people actually interested in computing.

>>1142625
Comment too long... I was thinking that tablets remind me of the hand computers in that Asimov story about how everyone has forgotten how to do even simple math because they let their computers calculate for them. I'd hate to see people become stupid because they spend years tapping icons every time they need something. My sister's phone broke and you would have thought it was the end of the world. She put all her appointments and numbers in there and didn't bother to write anything down on paper. Very stupid. I keep everything on paper as well.

>>1142625

>PCs will pretty much be relegated to people actually interested in computing

Do you think so anon? Do you really think so? We will get a little niche market that will weed out the bullshit? I hope you're right.

>>1142404

WIndows 8 is a tablet OS poorly ported to PCs.

Did I mention I fucking hate Windows 8 too? Because I do.

>>1142524

>why are you here?

To make you hurt.

>>1142404

Shit nigga, I'm 28 and I'm already complaining.

>>1142914 I hate any game that wants to get my social networking information. Its stupid. I hate how every console now has a life of 3 to 5 years when my NES is still going strong almost 30 years later. I hate the way apple has evolved and how psx is slowly turning into an IOS port. I hate that people think that making a PC into a tablet is a good thing.

Seriously. Tablets have a place and for what they can do they are really nice. Let them be the new magazine reading website checking quick for referencing go to decide. Do not take my PC and make it more like a tablet.

>>1142404
I could see tablets becoming the most used by casual consumers for their computer needs, but there's no way in hell personal computers are going to phase out any time in the near future. Tablets just aren't suitable for many programs used in the high-end user group.

For example, there's no way Pro Tools could run more efficiently on a tablet than on a PC with a mouse and keyboard. There are far too many keyboard commands, menus to navigate, and the need for finite placement of a cursor. The smooth use of the program really depends on the user being able to perform dozens of frequently used commands with the stroke of a few keys. A touch screen really can't accurately reproduce this control scheme, in my opinion.

Of course, I'm open to being proved wrong. But I don't think it's likely.

>>1142974

The tablet market will definitely move a large portion of casuals away from PCs though. Which can be good and bad. I don't even know if the idea of a niche consumer base really exists any more in the games industry, but let's hope so.

>>1142909
It came with my laptop.
I just wanted a better faster version of XP. ;_;

Why does Microsoft hate XP fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSyIzGfTEBA

>>1141003
They bother me and make have to complete them. Being a competitive person it just gives me more stress. They aren't even a legitimate form of competition either but I still must.....

>>1141054
>future means progress
Typical old dumb naive american faggot

of course you agree, you're so fucking old and fat and useless now you can barely move your fat ass to devour food

you're so fucking fat and old you get headaches from thinking

>>1142404
The only bad thing that could happen is PCs and so on being a bit more pricey.

I hate touch screens. Hate them hate them hate them hate them. I want fucking feedback when I press something and I don't mean your pissy little vibrate thing. Physical buttons.

I hate having to be online to play a single player game.

I miss games having fucking awesome manuals.

The current generation of consoles is by far the worst and the next is going to be even worse

I hate that consoles have essentially become babby's first PC

I hate that there hasn't been a memorable game released in the last 5 years

I hate walking down the street and seeing every single person with headphones in, playing/talking on their phone or both

Facebook is the worst thing ever created by mankind

Good wireless controllers will have internal rechargeable batteries and no noticeable latency.

The biggest thing that really just annoys me is when new school gamers just completely disregard the classics and say things like I'M SO GLAD THAT GAMES ARE FINALLY BECOMING ART WITH GAMES LIKE BIOSHOCK INFINITE COMING OUT, like eughhhhhh.

I fucking hate today's prevalence of western developed games. They might be perfectly okay games gameplay wise, but I hate how western culture instantly equals gritty realistic B Movie quality violence, it's just distasteful. Say what you want about japan and otaku pandering, but I'll take my colorful, fantasy, cartoony jap games any day over the average just plain mean spirited murder simulator.

>>1146327

I can't argue with any of those, you grumpy old fuck.

Especially the thing about the manuals. They used to be as fun as the game.

>>1146461

I know Anon, I miss Japan too.

>digital D-Pads/Analog Sticks in touchscreen games

Fuck.
You.

>>1146327

I really really really love you

OP what the fuck kind of third party rice patty horseshit are you buying that still uses AA batteries? Like, everything runs off Lithium Ion batteries these days. I haven't purchased a pack of AAs in years.

>>1140086
>He hasn't used a PS3 controller before

>>1148531
The PS3 has a shit controller The triggers are awkward as fuck and the whole thing feels like a cheap piece of plastic. You can't even swap out the battery on it without opening it up.

>>1140086
Wireless is a situational thing. My 24" Sony Trinitron on a TV cart with 6 retro systems doesn't need wireless because I can pull it up to the couch and enjoy my games. However my 6th gen systems and up are hook up to a 50" Panasonic and is about 12 feet from the couch so wireless is far better than 12+ feet of wires
>>1146327
>I hate touch screens.
I like them when used right such as in tower defense and what not but I agree it's rather tongue in cheek playing Megaman X on a touch screen.
>I miss games having fucking awesome manuals.
What's weird is Nintendo games are the last bastion of fully color manuals with the story inside and what not. That said it's the changing of the times, in 30 years people will be missing digital manuals on a computer screen.
>I hate that there hasn't been a memorable game released in the last 5 years
I argue there has been a few but they are in small number. Kirby Return to Dreamland is a retro gamer's paradise

>Facebook is the worst thing ever created by mankind
All Social personalized internet media has been the blight of people but I feel even without it the tools and what not would just get into other things that would be equally stupid.

>>1146332
What drives me up a wall is the double standard those people have without knowing it. They want games to be art but then cry games need censorship if it can offend someone. You can ask games to be art then censor them because you don't like the message, that's what stops them from being seen as 'art'

>>1146461
Remember when western game was synonymous for whacky and dreamy shit like Myst, Day of the Tentacle, Road Rash, Albion or Micromachines?

>>1148589

I have got vague memories of a thing called 'fun'.

>>1140086
>I want the solidity of a physical connection, god dammit
/vr/'s dad will beat the shit out of your dad

>>1140086
I'm OK with wireless as long as it's rechargeable and has good batteries.

>>1148535
You don't need to swap the battery unless it fails years down the line.

>feels like a cheap piece of plastic
Why? Because it doesn't weigh 20 pounds? It's heavier than my PS2 controller and more durable. The only issue is the charging cable if you're retarded and break it.

>>1146332
I got stuck on that bell puzzle so I never finished the game.

>>1140157
Trixter?

>>1142543
Nah, he should use TempleOS, or House OS, or Haiku, or Plan9, or OpenBSD.

>>1146327
>there hasn't been a memorable game released in the last 5 years
No More Heroes was memorable as hell.
>2007 was 6 years ago
Oh fuck me.

>>1146332
There has never been a game more deep Than Bioshock Infinite.

>>1146461
The problem with "western" games is that they don't draw inspiration from, say, Polish, Nordic, or Celtic mythologies, but instead draw their inspiration from American consumerist non-culture. Fuckin' Legend of Mana is more "western" than most of the shit pumped out by these developers.

>>1148531
The DS2 is the best the playstation line of controllers ever got. The DS3 is a complete joke.

>>1152102
Surprised to see someone on /vr/ aware of templeos or houseos.

>>1152140
SIEG HEIL

>>1152140
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hW-MHssUd8

>>1152148
I love good software and game design. Both of which you're unlikely to see in most modern games.

>>1152102
>TempleOS

Oh shit, I remember that from a couple of years back.

Literally insane. Also, Plan9 is fun as fuck to use.

>>1140108
Wireless is fine, hipster.

>>1141012
Fucking this, dude. Back in the day, you beat the shit out of a game, and you got something cool for it. A good example of fucked up DLC is in fighting games: when I was playing
fighters in the 90s, beating the game with everyone or without a continue on hard mode got you a NEW CHARACTER. Now, it makes some stupid fucking pun cover up part of the screen for a few seconds. The asshole characters you used to earn? You pay twenty fucking dollars extra for those guys. on top of the $50 you already gave them to be an unpaid tester so they can finish the damn game in the updates.

>>1146332
I was playing the X-Men arcade beat 'em up with a friend in MAME the other day, and this girl who was probably 18 or 19 jumped in and after about five minutes said "This is retarded. You just push one button over and over. How did you guys ever think shit like this was fun?" and left the room. I'd be lying if I said that didn't piss me off a little, but I was thinking about it, and I realized I'd also be lying if I said I don't feel very similarly about most 2600 games, and I was born into the end of the NES lifecycle.

>>1154051
You probably should have just punched her in the back of the neck and stolen the credit cards her daddy pays for.

On a more serious note, there are definitely a bunch of shitty, monotonous games on the Atari. Probably the majority of the library, actually. What Atari really has going for it, though, is its historical value. I'm a big fan of Atari because of what they were able to accomplish with the technology of the day, and because they were the ones who really opened up home gaming to the wide market and gained popular acceptance.

If Atari hadn't done it maybe someone else would have, but as it stands, I have a lot of respect for Atari because they were the ones who did it.

>>1154051
sounds like the problem is less of not appreciating old games, and more like not appreciating beat'em ups.

>>1140140

it's not for convenience, it's to sell more controllers

buying and changing batteries is generally (not always, but generally) less convenient than dealing with a cord is

cell phones are very, very, VERY different, because they are very highly useful outside the house, whereas game controllers are usually completely useless outside the ROOM let alone the house

so, stop being as aggressively dumb as you're being please

>>1154353
My favourite part is when he mentioned TV and the internet specifically, because obviously wires aren't used by either of these systems of informational relay.

>>1140991

unlockable stuff isn't a very good reward for 100% completion either, though, because once you've done that 100% you don't need the extra help from a new super-strong weapon, and many people (including me at least) would likely not want to keep on playing the game they've already exhaustively explored just so they can play with the super-secret silly outfit on or whatever

sometimes unlockable stuff is good though

but the best situation is when the "achievements" (or whatever they happen to be called in some particular retro game) are just fun for their own sake, because they drive you to play in a way that you wouldn't have come up with on your own, but that turns out to be pretty interesting and fun

>>1141106

specifically, it's the Facebook machine

until whatever thing that's gonna replace Facebook comes along, and then it'll be the that machine

OR until crappy portable computers that don't have keyboards and mice replace the PC (since those are pretty much Facebook machines now too, and they also let you make phone calls and send text messages)

>>1154372
You mean Mombook. All the cool kids like to be tumble and tweet and be redd Anonymoose now

>>1142945
>I hate any game that tries to get my social networking information


>be playing GTAV
>oh cool, you can take pictures with your in game smartphone
>take picture
>you must be logged on to Social Club to save photo
>log into Facebook to save photo!
>that feel when I have to delete any pictures I take in game unless I sign up for bullshit online stuff

>>1154372
I think smartphones will become the main Facebook machine in a few years.

>>1154553
They already kind of are. Watch how many people waiting in line are browsing Facebook on their phones. Makes sense, messing around online with a smartphone is a good way to kill time.

>>1154558
I still know a lot of people who use their PCs, but yeah. Smartphones are pretty damn capable already; in a couple of years, they'll do every single thing a normalfag would need a PC for now. They sort of already can, and as powerful smartphones become more accessible in price, we'll might see a return of the PC as more of a hobbyist machine.

I remember when MySpace first started taking off, and that's when I noticed regular people using PCs more. I had normalfag friends who knew HTML pretty fluently because of MySpace, which I found impressive considering how much trouble a lot of people have with much simpler things.

>>1154565

Did they actually know html or did they just end up copy and pasting over and over until it ended up right. Most people who made their Myspace pages snazzy where extreme copy pasters in my experience.

Also the smart phone can do almost everything most normal people want to do provided they have the bandwidth for it. Its cool when you think about it. But what isn't cool is the advent of OS that are mimicking smartphones.

>>1154582
I knew a couple who just copied and pasted, but one dude I knew (who is the biggest jock ever) was almost totally computer-illiterate.. EXCEPT for HTML, which he did know. That said, I knew a bitch who pasted so much code and garbage and .gifs and etc. in to her profile that computers of the era weren't strong enough to load it. Before MySpace rebranded and wiped everything off, I tried to look at it with my 2012 computer and it lagged me all to hell.

>>1154595

That's awesome actually. Myspace Gave rise to bro-grammers

>>1140432
I loved that beast. I really want to get a usb to ps2 converter for it. I would love to use it with emulators.

>>1140936
To be fair though, dos and command line stuff is not an everyday part of computers for most people. There are GUIs for everything now.

>>1154603

>brogrammers
>anything but terrible

>>1140086
>change out the goddamn batteries every month or so
Casual detected. Even my 710 only lasts 100 hours or so with the highest capacity I can find and rumble switched off. If you don't burn through that in less than a month you're doing something wrong.

Also, enjoy tripping over your cables. I like sitting on the couch while playing and any asshole who walks by is going to send either the stick, or worse, the console flying. I literally cordon off the area when the kids have friends over who want to play on the old consoles.

Things that annoy me about kids:

Wanting to play anything pre gen 6 on the LCD instead of the CRT I have specifically for playing retro.

Getting bored having to do anything repetitive. Hurr Durr. I can spend >9000 hours walking in the tall grass but cry when I run out of continues on Donkey Kong


Button mashing. Yes, there are a few games where you need to do this. Learn what they are and use it there. The rest of the time fucking don't.

Sucking. Kids today are all about FPS with shit controls or gay RPGs. Allegedly they have good reaction times. But they have shit motor skills. Get them playing something like joust coop and you end up having to kill them just because they keep getting in the way.

I don't really care about wireless, though I hate online bullshit. I don't need to play a game with other people who I don't know to enjoy the game.

What really pisses me off (about to sound like a serious old person here) is the entire process involved in paying a game.

When I was a kid it was
>insert game
>push the power button
>play game

Now it's more like
>power on system
>wait for system to boot up
>log into account
>wait for wifi to connect
>insert game
>push action button on game icon
>game needs to install
>it's fucking two gigs
>go pour a drink and make a snack
>game finally finishes installing
>get ready to play game
>game needs to download another gig worth of patches and updates
>wait for these to download
>wait for these to install
>I just want to play a game
>system can't multitask during download/install process
>switch input modes on TV to old console while the new one does its shit
>insert old game
>push power
>play game

>>1154312

Yeah, but the Atari had SO MANY DAMN GAMES in the first place, that "handful" of awesome, must-play games is still 30-40 gems.

That number might be much lower though if you don't like really old-school shmups.

>>1157360

Pretty much all of this.

I used to play half-life 1 in LAN back them. Most of us had similar level so it was really fun. Shouting people who is playing in the same room as you seeing their faces and expression is not the same that online game even if you use voice.

I played recently TF 2 only to get killed really fast by hardcore games. Got bored and quit