/vr/ - Retro Games

Note: You don't need to watch part one, it's mainly an abbreviated, worse version of part two.

>>1131910
I wish the video would spare me the pseudojournalistic TV drama and get to the fucking point already, holy shit, fuck.

Someone needs to fan-franslate dat eroge Square made.

>>1131921
I actually liked the pseudojournalistic stuff. It felt like you were watching the story unravel. Really good vid, seems like a lot of research and devotion went into it.

>>1132024
>Square made eroges

I guess everone really does have a time in thier life when they're young and need the money.

bumping this great history

>>1132024
It isn't even popular, it's likely horrible even for an eroge.

Interesting stuff, I knew the broad strokes of what happened back then but not the specifics. Square is probably my favorite retro developer.

>>1132043
>Really good vid, seems like a lot of research and devotion went into it.
This is doubtful.

This says, for example, that Enix were prohibited from releasing Dragon Quest on weekdays, which is known to be a myth. Either the writer fact-checked the content badly, or, more likely, there was overreliance on sensationalism. The portrait it paints of Sakaguchi seems to be a product of author's imagination as it doesn't quote any sources like interviews or books.

In a word, this stuff is fiction. It's TV-type, Youtube-grade fake documentary that doesn't bother with historical accuracy. It's not to be taken as a product of actual historical research.

>>1132306
If you checked his sources in the description, he used multiple articles that are only in Japanese. Until you check all the Japanese articles on Square, then, well, it's "doubtful" you can say anything.

Anyway, I liked the vid too. Ignore the autist.

>>1132306
>doesn't quote any sources
What, do you want him to say "...according to Famitsu Magazine" or something at the end of every anecdote? He even lists some of his sources in the description, which is well beyond what most youtubers do in general.

>>1132352
>which is well beyond what most youtubers do in general.
Comparing it to the standards of other Youtubers is not a very good measure of it being a quality, historically accurate documentary. The question is, how does it compare to documentaries in general? I'm actually just about to watch it myself.

>>1132364
there's nothing to complain about, it's pretty factual.

>>1132364
It's very well researched. Even the crazy parts about Uematsu are true. The source article is in his description.

http://www.nobuouematsu.com/nobegm2.html

Wow, Sakaguchi was barely out of college when he made FF. Puts your life into perspective, kinda.

>>1132364
>The question is, how does it compare to documentaries in general?
Poorly. It's geared towards effect and is clearly making up quite a bit of characterization. It doesn't shy away from every fun-sounding factoid, too. A whole bunch of things it states as fact are known to be bogus, e.g. the Enix weekend release ban thing.

>>1132376
I'm starting to think you're the author of the video.

No, it's not well researched. It's mongering anecdotes. It's 1/3 unverifiable, 1/3 wrong and 1/3 shit everyone knew (FF may have been the last game Square made, Amano, Uematsu, Sakaguchi were involved from teh start etc.).

>>1134048
He was born in '62. He was 25 at the time of FF's release.

>>1134092
I'm not. Now I'm just sick of assholes like you on this website being so high up on their asses to be even the slight bit positive about anything. Goddamn. Sometimes it's like nobody on this website knows how to show any positive emotion, or emotion in general, period.

>>1134085
You already pointed that out. I guess you're not the kind of guy who likes a little bit of fun, eh?

>>1134092
But most of the stuff in this vid is verifiable.

>>1134127
>>1134132
>Fuck factual accuracy in historical documentaries, fun's paramount! Bleh!

>>1134136
But most of the stuff in this video is factually accurate.

>>1134139
It really is a character study of Sakaguchi. Quite clearly a work of author's imagination.

>>1134127
>Sometimes it's like nobody on this website knows how to show any positive emotion, or emotion in general, period.
Ha ha

>>1134147
How can it be a character study when only a small bit of it is based around Sakaguchi? And for the millionth time, if you checked his "sources", you'd see that everything he informed us about is "factually accurate". The one thing he made a mistake on was the Enix weekend thing, if you're going to keep pushing your "rational" argument, you need more proof (e.g., parts he made up or parts that were wrong).

>>1134163
>How can it be a character study when only a small bit of it is based around Sakaguchi?
Watch it again. 95% of it is about Sakaguchi.

>>1134163
He's grossly disregarded factual accuracy for effect. His journalistic or historic integrity is nil.

>>1134169
But that's objectively wrong. A good deal of it is about other things (Nasir Gebelli, Uematsu, Alpha, making of FF). It can't be a character study when the main focus is on Sakaguchi trying to drive FF toward the market, instead of Sakaguchi as a person.

>>1134183
Don't be stupid. It's about Sakaguchi interacting with those people and the company. Final Fantasy is the focus of the whole video, and the story of it's making is fully intertwined with it's director.

>>1134176
All you're doing is saying "NAH NAH NAH CAN'T HEAR YOU I AM RITE" and not bringing up any valid points. I've just pointed out that the author has sources to back-up all his claims. Now all you're doing is arguing how you dislike the way he presented the information. I'm sorry this video wasn't a dry, by-the-numbers documentary narrated by someone with a monotone voice.

>>1134205
So, the source about everything in the video - other people, Sakaguchi and his inner thoughts, the company - is one interview with Uematsu? And that's what passes for journalism in the video game--oh riiiiight.

>>1134212
If you checked his sources, he had multiple interviews, and didn't list them all. I'll admit one of the interviews in English with Sakaguchi was about FF: Spirits Within, which didn't have much weight on this video. But that wasn't his sole source of info. If *you* actually did your research, you'd see he had many more sources for his documentary.

So, essentially, what you just said was wrong.

>>1134231
>If *you* actually did your research
I don't have to. I caught on a few glaring flaws in the video and I have all the reasons to doubt it's integrity. I am not required to fact-check everything else, a couple of blatantly wrong statements is enough to proclaim the "documentary" inaccurate.

>>1134242
But you haven't listed those couple of blatantly wrong statements. Only the Enix one, which isn't even "blatantly" wrong - it hasn't even been confirmed to be false.

>>1134254
"Hasn't been confirmed to be false" is on the opposite side of "verified fact". And yes, it has been confirmed to be false. It's an urban legend spawned by a Famitsu ad.

>>1134268
Stop dodging the topic. List the other "blatantly wrong statements". And they need to be statements that are confirmed to be incorrect, otherwise all your conjectures are groundless.

>>1134254
Click through the sources. It's two tiny interviews that have nothing, a completely unrelated Sakaguchi interview about the movie and a Wikipedia link (of all things) that doesn't work (of all things).

Long story short, it's a "documentary" that lists Wikipedia as one of it's sources.

>>1134275
I can't be assed to watch the 30-minute video again. Since when isn't one blatant lie enough to destroy a short film's integrity as a documentary?

>>1134278
I can't be assed to go online and search for all the links of where he got his information. Since when does a youtube video (of all things) need a bibliography? Anyway, I already went online to learn more about Nasir, and all the stuff he said about him is correct.

>>1134285
>I can't be assed to go online and search for all the links of where he got his information.
He should have done it, not you. It's a minimum if he claims to ahve any integrity at all.

>>1134281
The best part is that it's a lie about a rival company(at the time).

Always fun to learn about these smaller games that I never heard of before.

The video does seem made to appeal to the tabloid audience with it's idol worship and unrelated visuals. You could probably get this posted on the gawker sites if you want a better reception.