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Use a fucking controller, also movement on right side is an abomination, even for using keys

>playing on the keyboard

>>1127367

I use a controller.

>How does /vr/ do it?
PPJoy with homemade adapter.

/thread

Before I had a gamepad I did it like this.

Worked decent enough. I decided to move Select up to R while playing Super Metroid to make it easier to press.

My keyboard can't even handle it when you press too many buttons. This makes playing some games like any Mario game very annoying. I use a controller instead.

>>1127373
for some reason I prefer it on keyboards. also, not /vr/, but when playing metroid prime hunters on the DS, i set movement to the ABXY buttons... i don't know why.

>>1127378
lel'd

Literally the best way to set it up.

>>1127391

Mine is the same, except X and Y are switched with A and B respectively. I don't give a fuck

>>1127412

>>1127412
Are you an octopus

arrow keys=move
wasd=face buttens
space=r butten
shift=left butten
e=select
tab or Q=start

the best method however is to just plug a controller into your usb. I use a ps2 controller

Like this

>>1127437
this

I use a PS2 controller for all my emulation needs, actually.

I can't imagine doing it any other way on a keyboard.

jesus fuck, how do you guys can use movement on right hand I'll never understand

I use a Logitech controller right now but back before I had it I used this

>>1127373
I never had a problem with movement on the right.
Maybe because I grew up with DOS games or because I'm ambidextrous.

The most common preset in almost all arcade emulators(except moving start and coin/select to other keys).

I use a god damn SNES controller on a god damn SNES.

>>1127508
This is how I did it before i got a ps3. Now I just use the ps3 controller.

I used to use this, now I just play with an Xbox or PS3 controller, whichever is closer.

>>1127367
The d-pad is on the right, holy shit.

>>1127534
I've played a decent amount of snes on a legit controller, and I still prefer it this way on a keyboard. I think it's just easier to control.

The way I've done it since...like 2003 or so looks like

A - L
S - R
D - A
Z - Y
X - X
Enter - Start
Space - Select

Granted, I use controllers now.

Fucking go to Ebay and buy a $5 controller from China or something. God this thread is dumb.

>>1127551

There's nothing dumb about it.

>oh no people aren't playing games like i do

>>1127558
But you're playing it wrong. Why on earth would you play a console game on a keyboard?

The ONLY advantage M+KB has over a controller is the mouse. You take that away and you're not only handicapping yourself, but you're making it a far less immersive experience.

Why bother with the number pad? I just use my thumbs for the L and R. Also how are there so many people actually using the arrow keys?

>>1127572
There was a time when SNES to USB adapters didn't exist. And don't even suggest USB gamepads, because nearly all of them are complete shit. I'd rather use a keyboard.

>>1127581
Some shitty keyboards have a problem with limited number of buttons that they will register as being depressed at one time. I found that using the numpad usually lets you depress more buttons at once. Also, using the numpad puts your arms spaced evenly and the keyboard centered in front of you, but that probably is just my OCD kicking in.

I'm glad I have a Model M keyboard now and don't have to deal with the button problem anymore.

I played on keyboard before I had access to a controller. I'll admit, the code where you needed to hold down three keys on Chrono Trigger gave me trouble. (My keyboard was old and only supported two keys held down at a time.)

>>1127572
dude, keyboard is only a handicap for those who adopt it, not those who was born with it. melded with it. i could do double half circle special in gundam wing endless duel just fine.

wasd for movement
qr for lr
klop for bayx

best config ever

>>1127367

>>1127592
go to bed /g/

>>1127592
but the model m also has that problem.
TE UIC RWN JUS VER TE LAY DG

>>1127367
The only acceptable way, of course. For crying out loud, all you need is whatever controller you already have lying around and $5 to order a usb adapter. There is no excuse.

>>1127638
I have a laptop. I have a game controller, but I keep it by my desktop for convenience.
Also, call me boring, but there's a bit of fun in trying to map a controller to a keyboard, and seeing how others do it.

>>1127638
>>1127371
>>1127373

Fuck off. This thread is about key mappings. Nobody cares if you use controllers.

>>1127646
Wiimote is an amazing portable wireless controller, by the way. It's good for four button things like NES, GB, PCE, SMS, and so on, and pretty decent for Genesis/Megadrive as well. I always keep one in my netbook case.

>>1127367
from days I used to play emulated games on PC with my brother for whole afternoons, sharing the keyboard
good times

>>1127645
To give a bit more details, this mapping is with me since the very first game I played in my life: Mega Man X.

Three fingers on ASD and ZXC rows. Allows me to dash, jump and shoot with maximum efficacy. There is no better setup. Can also press the X button for whatever and switch weapons easily.

I can wreck the game on my keyboard but I can't play at all on a controller.

I buy the 9 dollar controllers from frys, they last about a year depending on how much I use them

>using the keyboard for something that isn't a fps

>literally being retarded

>>1127654
This >>1127549
was the configuration I found as my favorite when I played Mega Man X2 and X3 on emulators over a decade ago. Works flawlessly with Mega Man X games. The only SNES game that that configuration gives me problems with is Super Metroid.

>>1127661

Chill out, man.

>>1127662
For some reason I just can't play any emulator with the dpad mapped to the WASD cluster. Too used to executing actions with the left hand. I can't use WASD at all unless the mouse is the main input device.

I have never been able to play SNES onwards with a controller.
Those L/R buttons just don't feel right anywhere on a keyboard to me.

>>1127674
>controller
keyboard*

>>1127668
I'm the opposite. I'm fine with the arrow keys for movement, but I can't play games with jumping or shooting controls over on the left side of the keyboard, my mind can't map them over there. In games that force those controls, I have to cross my arms to play them.

Used to always play old keyboard-only PC games with a similar setup, so it naturally carried over when I began emulating. It may look awkward to those only used to WASD+Mouse, what with your hands being close together, but I've grown fond of playing like this.

It's surprisingly comfy too. Left hand is always slanted to the left in this position, and the placement of the keys accomodate for this. The A and B button are also within easy reach for playing with the right hand only, which is ideal for turn-based rpgs since those tend to use little else aside from X/Start to access the menu.

For some games, like platformers which use B to jump and Y to dash, I rotate the A, B and Y buttons so that B is bound to Ctrl and Y to shift. When a game uses the R button excessively, I tend to bind it to 0-numpad.

>>1127674
>>1127678

Try my setup: >>1127645.

Use your ring finger to press A and Z, your middle finger to press S and X and your index finger to press D and C.

It's not that easy to press regular buttons and shoulder buttons at the same time, but it's a lot easier to press multiple regular buttons at the same time.

>>1127682
I guess it's just neurological programming or some shit. I've been playing 2D games this way since the first time I touched video games. 3D games like FPSes have always used WASD plus peripheral keys and mouse.

WASD is just intuitive in 3D space, while arrow keys are intuitive in 2D space.

>in games that force

Fuck games that don't let me map controls. That's maximum consolefag, and it sucks even on consoles.

fuck all you emulator fags. Real shit.

>>1127367
I use a dual shock 3.

>>1127381
Get a keyboard with anti-ghosting. Plenty of great mechanical gaming keyboards have it.

I use a PS3 controller

>>1127367
u r a monster

>>1127467
This guy gots it right.

y'all motherfuckers be crazy.

>>1127572
>Why on earth would you play a console game on a keyboard?
In many cases you can be more precise with a keyboard than you can be on a controller. But complex maneuvering has a much steeper learning curve/application timing.

>>1127367
If I had to use a keyboard and I generally don't. I'd use numpad 8/4/5/6 for movement. 7/9 select/start. a/s/d/f - x/a/b/y, w/e - l/r

>>1127391
This

Just switch L and R with X and Y.

I used to use this layout
Up=W
Down=S
Left=A
Right=D
L=Q
R=E
A=Down Arrow
B=Right Arrow
X=Up Arrow
Y=Left Arrow
Start=Enter
Select=Right Shift
Then I switched to a PS3 controller and now I use a 360 controller.
I dont even own a 360, I just bought a 360 controller purely for PC use since its so much easier than PS3.

red is how I did it first
blue is how I did it until I used a gamepad

red is how I did it first
blue is how I did it until I used a gamepad

>>1127367
I use a DualShock 3 for everything. Still my favorite controller.

red is how I did it first
blue is how I did it until I used a gamepad
it's been so long I've had to delete my posts twice for fucking it up

>>1127875
DualShock 2 > DualShock 3

With a pad.
Didn't knew there where people who willfully put up with something as terrible as playing console games with a computer keyboard.

Everyone says my setup is weird.

>>1127894
where's your down button?

and how do you guys comfortably do a 3 row, 2 column button layout it makes no sense on the keyboard

>>1127894
... where is down

>>1127894
>>1127898
well at least the ybax buttons aren't mapped as bad as this guys >>1127615 or this guy >>1127467

>>1127631
THEQCKBRWNXJMEVERTHELZ

>>1127898
Uh, it's just WSAD. Sorry. I'm more tired than I thought.
I somehow have an easier time reaching every button when they're laid vertically. I have my thumb on N, index on U and my middle finger on K. I jump the middle on M and I when needed. I'm not sure what I use to press J now that I think about it.

I've got small hands.

Home row, motherfucker

I use a joystick. Trigger for A, thumb buttons for B, X and Y, POV hat for L/R and Start/Select.

Get on my fucking level

>>1127452
>Complains about people using movement on right hand
>Stick his fucking hands an inch apart

Learn to fucking WASD or at least ESDF.

>>1127932
>Two A keys

Explain the usage of such sorcery.

>>1127978
Most of the time I use G for A with my index finger but because my index finger rests on F and my pinky on A I figured I may as well map it to something so incase I feel like using my pinky it at least has some quick use. I've been using it since 2000 when JNES had the default controls for A and B mapped to F and D, respectively.

I made it like this, so if I really needed to, I could use the keyboard to play the games optimally.

I pretty much never play emulators, though.

Nowadays I use a controller, but I'm surprised this one isn't more popular. Hold the keyboard like a controller, MAXIMUM MANEUVERABILITY.

...unless it's because everyone's stuck with laptop keyboards.

>>1127880
Okay, I'll debate that.

1) Wireless bluetooth
2) better sensitivity on the triggers (actual triggers, for that matter)
3) more sensitive buttons and analogue sticks
4) Better dpad

Don't get me wrong, I love my PS2 and it's controllers, that's why I use a DualShock3, but by saying that the DS2 is better for PC emulation verges on hipster.

>>1128050

W and Z are too far apart.

I also have a mechanical keyboard which weighs like 3 pounds.

Played a lot on kb, that was over a decade ago when pads were not so common or didn't have enough buttons. Got kinda proficent with it, tricky dashjumps on MMX, Street Fighter moves, cape-ing on SMW and so on.

Later I was spoiled by gamepads and can barely play with the keyboard anymore.

>>1128103
It's really a choice to prioritize left-right or up-down, and most action/platformers were more sensitive to quick left-right switching.

>anything but this

>>1128147

I do the same thing but my speed up key is the grave key

>>1127367
Like this. Start and Select are their respective buttons. I sometimes use the left analog stick for games like Super Metroid that use more than 4 directions

>>1128095
1. The wireless is a gimme
2. I hate the way the L2 and R2 buttons are in the DS3 they don't feel as intuitive.
3. I like the feedback/heaviness of the buttons and the resistance of the analog sticks in the DS2 better.
4. The D-pad is the same
5. I like the feel of the material and the weight of the DS2 better

Correct way incoming.

They mappings in the picture aren't really absolute. I generally remap them in the emulator if the game doesn't have in-game key map options (since X is for left index finger, it's "shoot" for Metroid but "jump" in Mario).

I used to play cross-handed >>1127452 for the longest time since my big brother always hogged the WASD side in two player games. It was only about few years ago when I tried to find a more comfortable layout for Spelunky and first ended up with ASD-QWE rows for the left hand. After that I some day looked at my arcade stick and thought that having the buttons in a curve allows you to press them with all four fingers at once and is much more comfortable. Then I looked my keyboard and realized the answer was right there. I guess those with amerikkan keyboards could use shift-ASD or alt-CVB or something.

>>1127367

>>1128014
>>1128015
>>1128231
>>1128278
The WASD-centric ones seem to be the most natural/useable to me.

Controler, fuck playing it with a keyboard

>>1128289
Obviously, but not everyone had one ready to go when they first discovered emulation.

>>1128291
PC Controllers kept flaking out on me, so I stopped buying them. These days I can beat Hard Corps with a keyboard, feels good.

ESDF - DPad
G/H - Select/Start
A/; - L/R

Things then vary by console emulated.

SNES: JK is YB, UI is XA.
PS: Same, but with additional Q/P as L2/R2 and Alt keys as L3/R3
Genesis: JKL/UIO as ABC/XYZ
NES: JK as BA

You guys have some weird configs.

>>1127651
there is nothing like seeing a great thread I've never seen before and finding it filled with douchebag judgmental purists that think
>keyboard am pleb

>>1127682
Same here, I can use my right hand for some retarded digital gymnastics but my left hand is completely inept for anything other than directional input

>using a keyboard
You nigas high or something
Don't tell me you don't have at least one controller lying around

I don't get it, do you people seriously play with the d-pad on arrows? I mean, maybe you don't even have threeshitty controller, maybe. But if you're playing on a keyboard - do you seriously set directions on arrow keys? Fucking seriously?

I mean, even if you never played on a real console, you still are supposed to use WASD for movement and directions for all post 1995 PC games. Left hand = movement, right hand = action. What the fuck sort of simple people are you?

>>1128427
People who played PC games before 95?

>>1128427

Bottle up your autism, son.

>>1128476
But before '95 was 20+ years ago, and since then even home computer games used the concept of movement on left, action on right. Meanwhile, console games, which OP is talking about, have ALWAYS used that.

You're a fucking retard is what I'm saying.

>>1128542
Some people were poor and had nothing but Apogee shareware platformer to play.

>>1128545
Some, yes, but a whole freaking thread of them?

>>1128542
Console games used joysticks or paddles. Pads only came up during the mid 80s. Op is talking about emulation so it's normal that not everyone is used to the original control scheme.
I wouldn't say every game after 95 used that concept and the ones that did still left room for changes.

>>1127367
heres my set up that I've been using for years until I got a nice controller for emulating.

A cheap USB gamepad. Before that I couldn't even entertain the idea of playing roms. Keyboard controls are so uncomfortable and awkward. I don't know how people do it. I can never remember what key does what and it starts getting painful fast. I'm just too used to a controller.

>>1128554
OP is asking about emulating the SNES.

>>1128427
PC games typically rely on a mouse in the right hand, which lends itself more for movement than for actions. Even in a FPS WASD setup you will use your right hand for additional commands like weapon selection and jumping while your mouse handles moving the field of view and shooting.

I also play mk9 like this and use similar template in other emulators.

>>1128545

This was a situation I did not mind growing up.

>>1127367

Inspired by the excellent layout in XEBRA.

Yikes, that's pretty hideous OP. I always try to make my emulation layouts as ergonomic and true to the original control as possible. I cannot understand how some of you can tolerate flip-flopping your damn hands for movement/button mashing when there's no reason to.

Yikes, that's pretty hideous OP. I always try to make my emulation layouts as ergonomic and true to the original control as possible. I cannot understand how some of you can tolerate flip-flopping your damn hands for movement/button mashing when there's no reason to.

>>1128634
>which lends itself more for movement than for actions
Not really. Your dominant hand is much more suited for handling lots of different inputs at once; four-key movement is much simpler by comparison. It's the dominant hand you should worry about making full use of, not necessarily that movement belongs on the left. But it's just silly to switch your hands around when everything else in your hobby does it another way.

>>1129628
>L on the numpad
Close, but no cigar.

>>1128427
The worst part is how fucking lazy some PC game developers have gotten about keyboard support. I mean it's always been a thing and somewhat understandable in Japan to not give a shit about keyboard control since everyone has a controller, but Cave Story's influence in the modern scene has created so fucking many braindead Western developers now who force you to use that fucking awful ZXCV + arrows setup without even a way to change keys.

Polite sage for non-retro tangent.

>>1129629
I was speaking about the mouse, not the right hand. You only got a bunch of buttons and using dozens of icons instead of keyboard shortcuts isn't practical.

Not everybody has a dominant right hand anyway.

>>1128308
It's just a bunch of bad trolls. Nobody can possibly be that stupid.

>>1129636

Disagree

Six Pad method is best pad method

>>1129647
I dunno, I'm left handed and although I can easily use it in both I'm way, way more comfortable using it with my right.

How do you right handed people fap and use the computer?

>>1129642
>ave Story's influence in the modern scene has created so fucking many braindead Western developers now who force you to use that fucking awful ZXCV + arrows setup without even a way to change keys.

That's such a god damn uncomfortable set up. I have no idea why so many devs adopted it and out right refuse to have custom mapping support.

>>1129656
Hah, it's funny that that works on a keyboard because the actual six-face-button idea on a controller is terrible. Your one thumb simply cannot service all those buttons to the degree that your other digits could.

>>1129659
It's basically because ZXCV + arrows map directly to gamepad default inputs without extra fuss. Pure laziness.

>>1129659
Because they're lazy and retarded. It's ridiculously simple to code button mappings into the game. It's probably the easiest part of input handling. How can a game not support this? Developer retardation is the only possible explanation.

>>1129668
Binding of Isaac really annoyed me with this. Its options menu basically gives you a giant middle finger telling you to use Joy To Key. Cool, thanks, yeah.

>>1129679
You know what's worse? Games that assume you WANT to use your controller if it's connected, disabling the keyboard altogether. No, I don't want to use my controller, thank you (no, fuck you). Please show proper keyboard keys in the HUD again. At least have the decency of adding a -disable-pad command line option.

Even worse is games that, on top of all that, don't allow me to turn off the goddamn vibration function. I'm looking at you H.A.W.X. Fuck you. Had to wrap my 360 controller inside a 360 controller emulator so I could manually disable that shit.

I could go on for days; I've got a HOTAS flight stick as well which causes me infinite amounts of pain due to shitty game support, but yeah.

>>1129695
I actually prefer using my keyboard for 2D games when I can, even though I have a controller, but so many PC developers these days just make that so fucking difficult. I pretty much just got myself a controller to play those good games with shit key support.

>>1129704
I prefer keyboards for pretty much everything; only a few games feel more comfortable with the 360 controller. Sonic Racing Transformed comes to mind. Games that don't let me remap input make me sick, but I'm still good enough to play with any set up. I just get used to it. Anything that deviates from >>1127645 just isn't comfortable though.

I recently saw the appeal of a flight stick. Analog throttle control is just priceless, I got pissed when I saw that quite a few games have shit support for it; pinning the throttle = pressing W. The stick itself is a lot better for maneuvering than the mouse, but much worse for aiming.

Not sure why a lot of you don't use that group of six keys in your mapping layout. Pretty convenient for Capcom fighters too.

>>1127367
Can you guess what text editor I use?

It's an odd configuration.

With an actual controller
With an actual console
With the actual game
Like it's supposed to be

Stay casual, poorfags

>inb4 much overpriced vidya

I try to base it around the Cave Story control Layout.

Although for the gameboy Zeldas I have to use a controller, because of the way the A and B buttons are used.

Here are the controls I used to play spyro the Dragon.

>>1130607
And this is how I played Legaia
(the game sometimes froze when Hyper Moves were used, so save states were important.)

USB gamepads are definitely the way to go with this, playing console games on a keyboard is painful. I have an Xbox 360 controller and a DualShock-styled Logitech controller, and I use one or the other depending on the control style of the game.

>>1127367

u wot

>>1130616
>>1131092

What is it with you controller faggots shitting up this thread?

>>1130574

>>>/v/

>>1131092

That's one hell of a small screen.

>>1131297
Look dude, I played on ZSNES since before it had a windowed mode, with nothing but Arrow keys, z-v for A-Y, and A and S for L and R.

That is the only REMOTELY comfortable position I have found for SNES gaming without a controller.

I finally buckled down and bought a Sega Saturn USB adapter, and use that for my Saturn/Pre-Saturn games.

Sometimes, the controller is the best bet.