/vr/ - Retro Games

people have, like, opinions man. you know?

>>1119618
/thread

People have different tastes yo. I find it to me one of my favorite Zelda games. People are always different.

>>1119603
It was the next-gen big-time hit from the SNES era. It wasn't (and isn't) the best Zelda, but, despite it's flaws, it's pretty good - play on to see why - and it was pretty and big on release. It has nothing on the ebst game in the series (Link's Awakening), but it's still a high-quality, inspired production.

>>1119603
I also don't like it. I liked it at first. But then I didn't for some reason. I think the first one is better than LttP. Link's Awakening is better than LttP. I haven't tried the oracle games so I can't tell you if they are better than this one.

If you didn't like it, you didn't like it, and at least you gave it a fair chance. Not much else to say.

>>1119631
I think you mean Majoras Mask, sir

Well, you are at the beginning of the game. If you know the way you get the Courage Medallion in a few minutes. Kinda mean to judge the game already.

I'm not really a big fan of the Zelda series personally, but this is probably tied with Zelda II as my favorite. If you're just honestly giving your opinion, then yeah, like the others said, that's fine, we all have our tastes and preferences.

On the other hand, if you're trying to troll, the crazier sperglords tend to be in their twenties, so you should try shitting on Ocarina of Time in that case.

>>1119636
That's a weird way to spell A Link to the Past.

>>1119645
>>1119636
I think both of you are misspelling skyward sword

>>1119650
You's a funny nigga

I just started playing this game today for the first time ever. Played about an hour, did some exploring and got through the first temple for the Kokiri's Emerald .

I don't really like it much. It's renowned in the series as one of the best. Why is that? So far it seems pretty bland.

>>1119650
>inb4 not retro faggot
Also, you guys really can't spell. It's spelled Twilight Princess dammit. Get it right.

>>1119658

nuuuuuu not muh bestzelda ever

It actually is my second-favorite, but for the purposes of this board it's #1. Quite a bit of it is nostalgia, but I actually do have a blast playing it every time.

I swear I saw the very same thread a few weeks ago.

>>1119603
I imagine most of the people who are used to games from the current generation would find anything from the third and fourth bland, just as most people used to games from the third and fourth generation find first and second generation games bland.

>>1119658
eh. It's alright/10.
Also,
>>1119636
>>1119645
>>1119650
>>1119656
Funny way to spell Wind Waker
inb4 not retro
inb4 we have this thread every day. All zelda games are mediocre. None of them besides the first really did anything.

>>1119662
>>1119667
Missing the point of the OoT post.

Stay golden /vr/.

9/10, it's okay

babbies are never going to be impressed with snes, because they don't see it the way most people do, as a direct upgrade to NES concepts and presentation, and thus, a natural evolution of something that was already beloved.

I personally despise all chasecam console games, even the respected stuff like dark souls or arkham asylum. I know these games were created because console players are less intelligent, and the hardware itself is inferior.

But I would never argue with you faggots about it, because this is what you grew up with, how could you ever think of it as being bad?

>>1119638
>>1119658
Wow, the troll actually took my advice! I'm a little flattered.

>>1119671
I actually didn't read your post, I saw OPs and just flipped the script a bit.

>>1119672
Well aren't you just a little ball of sunshine?

>>1119672
Honestly, just because one isn't used to the archaic graphics due to not growing up with them doesn't mean they cannot be "impressed" by a game.

>>1119672
I'm impressed by other SNES games. I loved Super Ghouls & Ghosts and Megaman X and the hundreds of Street Fighter II versions. I just didn't like LttP. I also didn't like the direction they went where they made items "keys."
>open world
>can't explore it all because you need to get an item
>that item can only be obtained by getting another item from a dungeon
>that dungeon requires you to grab the item from the previous dungeon

>>1119672
>babbies are never going to be impressed with snes

>Someone disagrees with me about an older game, better dance around it by saying they're young and just can't appreciate it like I do so I won't have to think or create arguments!

Personally, I agree. The very first LoZ is higher on my list of favorite Zelda games than ALttP.

Link's Awakening is an improvement on almost every level. Better story and characters, more varied music and dungeons, that GOAT ending.

The only thing I find aggravating about it is the constant switching and those messages that would always pop up whenever you found a key, a map, a compass or whenever you bumped into a moveable stone without the gloves.

>>1119672
I grew up with the N64 (yes, OOT was the first game I remember playing around with) and didn't play a SNES game until I was older. I still think the SNES is the superior console.

Stop generalizing people.

>>1119672
>I personally despise all chasecam console games, even the respected stuff like dark souls or arkham asylum. I know these games were created because console players are less intelligent, and the hardware itself is inferior.
Um... what? Modern games have chase cameras because console gamers are dumb and consoles are weak? You make no sense.

Oracle of Ages > Link's Awakening DX > Oracle of Seasons > Link's Awakening > Link to the Past > Legend of Zelda > Link's Adventure.

It's the undeniable truth.

>>1119721
He's a hidebound nostalgiafag that considers his taste in games evidence of his supposed superiority as a person. Do not engage, do not acknowledge.

>>1119721

Are you so shit-all stupid that you don't know bait when you see it?

>>1119736
Why do you rank DX above regular Link's Awakening? Purely graphical? It has an extra dungeon actually, doens't it? Never actually played the DX version.

>>1119672

>>1119753
The extra dungeon and the graphics.

>>1119736
>Link to the past
>higher than LoZ and Zelda II

>>1119793
>LoZ
>Oh boy I get to spend hours wandering around aimlessly accomplishing sweet dick all with absolutely no context to provide significance to any of it.
>Zelda 2
>Oh boy, I get to enjoy the Zelda experience turned into a faggy, shitty platformer.

My GOAT but definitely a case of nostalgia glasses. The first RPG I really got into and was totally absorbed.
>tfw playing until your vision is blurry and stomach hurts
>tfw no internet or guides

Currently playing through Oracle of Ages from VC on my 3DS. Can't wait for A Link Between Worlds.

>>1119603
I actually agree with OP, even if it's a troll. I played Link's Awakening first and loved the shit out of it, but just can't into A Link to the Past for some reason.

>>1119796
>LttP
>Oh boy look at this big world
>It's going to be fun going to all these interesting places. I guess I'll do dungeon 2 instead of dungeon 1 since I'm already here.
>Oh what's this? A rock?
>I'll come back later, I'll just go to another dunge-
>The bridge is broken maybe I'm not suppose to go here yet
>purple pegs in the middle of the road
>can't cross water
>T-time to s-start the first dungeon i guess...

I think there's always a big difference between playing a game as a kid when that game just got released, and playing it as a grown up several years after it was released.
I played until the part when you can access the Dark World at will, and while the game was good, I wouldn't call it "my favorite Zelda game".

>>1119798
>Zelda
>RPG
You other trolls could learn something from this guy. He knows what he's doing.

>>1119824
That's a bingo. Half the fun of Zelda is the kind of unstructured play you can't really do when you're older and more focused on objectives.

Zelda II > Ages, ALTttP, OoT3D, Crystalis > MM, WW, TP, LADX, OoT > Seasons, SS, FSA, MC > FS, Zelda, AST > PH & ST with button hacks > CD-i Games > ST > PH

Welp. Go nuts.

>>1119826
You play the role of Zelda. Don't be that guy.

>>1119830
*You* are That Guy. What makes Mario RPG fundamentally different from Super Mario World? Were you not playing the role of Mario in that game? Think about it.

>>1119842
If you realized that he was baiting originally, why would you engage? The fuck, man.

>>1119842
I mean the guy that argues about whether things are RPGs. My first sentence was sarcastic.

>>1119672
I am almost never impressed with the SNES. That console chugged when lreal action started to happen so all you get are games that constantly slow down or games that are toned dow because the SNES just couldn't handle action.

Also I can see how Link to the Past can be underwhelming compared to the more exploration focused first game, or when the dunegons really took shape and became a drawing factor in Link's Awakening.

>>1119813
>oh my god, this game has structure to ensure it has an appropriately scaling difficulty curve because the designers weren't lazy, incompetents that didn't deserve the shit from my ass, much less a paycheck this time around

>>1119865
Oh snap.

>>1119828
>Zelda-II
>Not a blight on the series that would be better off forgotten.

You dove into it expecting too much, tends to happen a lot.

>>1119813
Yeah, the fact that the game only opens up 4-5 dungeons in is probably ALTTP's worst trait. I like how it didn't drown me in mandatory fetch quests like Ocarina, though.

>>1119878
LttP 3d was pretty bad with all it's fetch quests. But had interesting bosses and fun places to explore. Still don't like it for the same reason I don't like the SNES zelda.

After playing the original then Link's Awakening, this was both of those games put together, looking better and expanding the gameplay even further.

Sort of like how Ocarina of Time did.

>>1119636
That's not how you spell Link: the faces of evil.

>>1119876
This

>>1119736
Sorry, it isn't.

OoA>OoS>LttP>LA>LoZ>LA

>>1119603
Differing tastes.

LttP is basically a prettied up (Though not necessarily easier - easier fighting, yes. Easier puzzles, eh...) LoZ. It's a dungeon crawler. If you enjoy that kind of thing - well, enjoy your time with it.

But like you, it's never been my thing. It doesn't have the charme of Link's Awakening that sucks you in. It's just something to finish. You don't care about NPCs - they're just there to get stuff from them.

I can see why some people would call it the best Zelda. I'm sure it is. For them, that is.

To me, LA has never been surpassed.

>>1120007
I can understand this. I enjoy those aspects of LttP, so it's perfect for me. LA is good but I felt like the world lacked the detail of LttP, and didn't find the NPCs to be anything special.

I said this in another thread: It seems there are two portions of the Zelda fanbase: Those who like exploration and dungeon crawling like me, and those who like NPCs and sidequests.

>>1119603
>Why is that? So far it seems pretty bland.

You've probably played dozens of games directly inspired by it, so of course it seems bland you fucking child.

>>1120047
>getting this mad because your little kid game isn't good for people not blinded by nostalgia

>>1120293
thats actually a legitmate rebuttel though

just like how people who watched dozens of seinfield inspired sit-coms have trouble actually enjoying sienfield

and people who watched dozens of EVA inspired works think EVA is 'bland and repeative'

or people who watch dozens of crappy horror movies and than are unable to see why Halloween is so highly praised

>>1120315
Because other things got to them first and they aren't nostalgia-blinded?

>>1120035
Personally I like the exploration and dungeon crawling when the game is open and difficult, like the first game. I prefer the
NPC sections when they focus on immersing you and letting you freely figuring out how to do the quests at your own pace.

>>1120317
Most of those things are genuinely good, though. Sans Evangelion.

>>1119813

>Open world shit-eating lover
>Not knowing basic game design

You are the cancer ruining gaming.

ALTTP is, with Super Metroid, the textbook example of magnificient game design. Every video games are supposed to give the players a feeling of progression.

>>1119603
you probably played the newer games first and now you're like "where's the flash". it is pretty common for "zelda fans" to feel this

Any Zelda game would seem poor if it were only judged by its first dungeon.

I bet OP is 12 and thinks Skyward Sword is the greatest.

LttP is the quintessential Zelda, along with OoT because they're the same in a lot of ways.

I liked the Oracle games better, personally.

>>1119603
I made the mistake of playing Link's Awakening before playing A Link to the Past, as I didn't have a Super Nintendo at the time but did have a Game Boy. Not quite as bad as playing either of the N64 Zeldas first, but it was still very underwhelming compared to Link's Awakening.

It also didn't keep my interest as well as the first two NES games, both of which I played in the 80's, so I wasn't exactly new to the series. I loved everything from Zelda 1 to Wind Waker (Not counting the CDi games, which bored me far less than Twilight Princess and were considerably more entertaining than any amount of time spent with Phantom Hourglass. I still don't know how I beat that turd of a game, maybe it was Linebeck.), but for some reason, I just never cared much for aLttP, even when it was relatively new. I did enjoy Parallel Worlds to some extent.

>>1123581
fucking this. The old Zeldas were where its at. You were tossed into the world and dealt with it as you go along. The new ones gave you objectives that were clear to solve. It's a good thought, but it takes away from the adventuring.

You gave it a shot and didn't like it, that's okay. In retrospect it's pretty boring because it set the pace and formula for a lot of other titles in the series, so it'd be rather hard to enjoy it after playing so many other games like it.

It's still solid and enjoyable but there are better games in the series now.

>I played a classic game on an emulator on my computer and I only had a mediocre experience. Why is that?

Every time.

>2013
>still supporting racism sexism and classism

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/the_legend_of_zelda_is_classist_sexist_and_racist/

>>1120317
More a case of people being tired of those tropes.

Think about it; we all complain about all the CoD look-alikes out there today, but is there anything inherently bad about the linear set-piece based model of FPS? People *loved the shit out of it* in the original Half-Life. And in the rare circumstances when they drop their counterculture hivemind-conformist guard, even /v/ will admit they enjoyed the first two or three Call of Duty games.

This is the "Seinfeld is Unfunny" phenomenon. You can't objectively fault a work being "stale" or "unoriginal" if it was the only one of its kind back during its debut. Even the best masterpieces will eventually get boring if you rewatch them enough times, and likewise anyone used to the shooters of today will find the original Half-Life boring.

If there was one thing I could change about /vr/, it'd be getting rid of these "I don't get the appeal of popular game X" threads.

>>1119658
I would actually understand this. OoT = way overrated

>>1125307

Signed. Mods need to wordfilter "overrated" and soon.

>>1120005
>LoZ

>not at the top

why do you hate pure gameplay?

>>1125297
We don't live in the 80's anymore. Games should always be rated based on how fun they are today and not how they were more than 20 years ago.

>>1125498
I agree, too many people judge games by 'well, it was amazing back in the day!'. It comes off as an old man looking down on young folks for having differing opinions.

Of course, the best ratings will both talk about how they were considered in their day as well as how they hold up to changes in tastes and opinions over time.

>>1125498
My idea of fun might differ from yours.

>>1125556

Not him, but no shit.

I think his point is that people should judge games on how fun they find them, not "how amazing it was back in the day."

This attitude is also a disservice to games that truly stand the test of time.

you don't like it because you're a baby faggot. is that what you were looking for OP? for someone to call you a baby faggot?

>>1119878
To be fair to anyone reading this not aware, its still fun and mitigates this "flaw" with its miscellanious branches of choice. The lantern at the beginning can be found in two other places. The Ice Rod and Moon's Pearl can be skipped when the game tells you to get them. Etc.

>>1125504
>>1125498
Seems like you two just have a deep story-preference. The original Zelda is still I can say without defiant confidence and surety of non-nostalgia, a better ensample of a good game than anything you can pay 6 Hamiltons for today. It's earned a stay on my top 10 because no game has yet to top its unadulterated freedom and scope. I'm not sure there's ever been a computer-program created to analyze meaningful choice, but Zelda 1 in addition to being a game with lots of content would be high up on that list. A game without good gameplay fails at everything else.

Moreover, it's the reason people choose Seasons over ages by majority today. Ages has aged terribly due to its unwavering linear structure and leanance on story over action. Its only good trait are the bosses.

Also the original guy was trolling. "Link's Adventure" and both Link's Awakenings listed separate by a margin.

Startropics is the best zelda.

>>1125572

I sure hope you mean 2.

>>1125571
>because no game has yet to top its unadulterated freedom and scope

What the fuck?

>>1125571
You've never played a fallout game have you?

>>1119603
Im glad someone else agrees this game is boring. Illusion of Gaia has a much more interesting plot and better game play.

>>1125570
10/10 maturity would reply to in a fit of blind rage

>>1119603

I know exactly how you feel OP. I tried to get into this game several times and never finished it. I really REALLY want to like it and appreciate it like everyone else, but I just can't . There comes this point when it just becomes really boring and I just stop playing it and can't force myself back.

And I even replayed Zelda II and came to like it FUCK!

>>1119658
OOT was the first 3D Zelda game. It was cool back in the day just like Super Mario 64. I honestly don't like them though. I prefer the early 2D Mario and Zelda's much more than the fugly ass 3D ones.

captcha: earliest selvior

>>1125571
Ages worst problem is that it has more text walls than planescape for no good reason. Shit is absurd. Unless you already know what's going on the game doesn't even start until ~2 hours into the thing.

Also it's nice to see that you've got your degree in english literature, but if you put down the booze you'd realize no one here gives a shit that you have it.

>>1119603
It's renowned as the best in the series, because every internet "celebrity" grew up with it and decided it was the best game ever.

It is a good game, it certainly was an incredible improvement over previous installations.
Just like OoT was.

>>1119636
Majora's Mask was actually pretty poorly received. It's the worst-selling Zelda game on a console. The whole "Majora's Mask is a gothic lovecraftian nightmare from hell dripping with deepness" is a relatively recent phenomenon.

>>1119878
>You can't talk to Darunia until you have Saria's Song
>You can't get Saria's Song until you've already tried and failed to talk to Darunia

>You can't climb Death Mountain until you've talked to Zelda
>You can't talk to Zelda until you've already tried and failed to climb Death Mountain

Ocarina of Wasting Time.

>>1119865
lol, modern Zelda games don't have difficulty curves. They stay at the same difficulty all throughout, because you're forced to get the items that upgrade your hero (read: avatar strength) instead of them being optional.

>>1119603
Never bother with the "best game ever" games. They are always over hyped as fuck and most of the time its just pure nostalgia talking.
I found the game to be entertaining but nothing special too. OoT was too boring for me to complete.

>>1128457
>You can't get Saria's Song until you've already tried and failed to talk to Darunia
>You can't talk to Zelda until you've already tried and failed to climb Death Mountain
But you can do that

>>1119662
wow don't tell me TP or SS is ur favorite

>>1128468
>Never bother with the "best game ever" games.

This is the worst advice anyone has ever given on this board. You don't have to like popular games, but you aren't going to know how much you like them until you play them. Not to mention some of them might live up to the hype.

Unless of course you're a retard that just comes to 4chan to shit on video games you haven't played, then go right ahead.

>>1128486
I have played plenty of "BEST GAME EVER" shit to say that. The only one that I can think of that held up was Vagrant story and everything else was a disappointment.
Protip: When recommending a game to someone online, don't hype it to shit.

>>1128493

This is your problem not theirs. For all you know, the game is a life-changing orgasmic experience for them.

You should go into games knowing that your tastes don't always align with others instead of getting mad that the games didn't lead to their expectations.

And telling people to outright avoid games just because people are saying they like them is just beyond retarded.

>>1119603
Wherever you start the Legend of Zelda series, your first few Zelda games you play will always be your favorite. Your 5th Zelda game will be not bad. Everything after that will feel bland.

For example:
I played Oracle of Ages and Seasons first, followed by Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, OoT, Link to the Past, Skyward Sword, and finally Majora's Mask.
I haven't even finished Skyward sword or Majora's mask, but I could go back right now and nostalgia over Twilight Princess.

tl;dr: Every Zelda game is so similar, that it just gets redundant.

>>1119736
That is probably close to the order you played them in.

>>1128474
Hahahhahah.

God bless you anon. I needed that chuckle.

>>1128474
The first one is actually semi-true. Saria won't teach you Saria's Song until some arbitrary point (I think it's after you learn Zelda's Song).

>>1119736
>OoA first
Jabu jabu's belly.
That dungeon alone makes OoA the worst GB/GBC zelda

>>1128517
Don't talk about Zelda being samey when you've never played the NES games and started with the most linear game out of the 9 originals before all went down.

>>1128715
That's right. However, if you go to Goron City first you don't have to worry about that. Because BY having Zelda's Lullaby you can grab the Deku Stick in Darunia's room and use it to draw fire from his torch. Opening the way to the Lost Woods early. It took me years to figure this out.

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/451485931363828807/

>>1128720
>friends
lol

>>1128720
Yeah but it's annoying having to trek halfway around the world to get a song that should be given to you as soon as you get the ocarina. Like >>1128457 said, it's pure padding.

>>1128793
> trekking through one area (Lost Woods) and opening a shortcut early you can later use an adult is "padding."

It's one area....

>>1128718
>The dungeons are numbered so it must be played in that order