/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===
[8-28] Doom running on a neural network powered engine
https://gamengen.github.io/

[8-26] Abysm 2 + Expansions Receive Anniversary Update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/abysm-2-infernal-contract/downloads

[8-24] ZScript versions of Legacy of Rust monsters + randomizer
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/147247

[8-23] SPRAWL: total conversion for Quake
https://x.com/SPRAWLfps/status/1827028382577782884

[8-22] Marathon Infinity is on Steam + Workshop support for entire trilogy
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2398520/

[8-22] Lunatic, Vanguard, Valiant, Ancient Aliens update
https://doomworld.com/profile/8877-skillsaw/?status=1747176&type=status

[8-21] Goldsrc SDK got updated with HL 25th anniversary stuff
https://github.com/shawns-valve/halflife

[8-18] Blood: What Lies Beneath trailer
https://youtu.be/sx9bL36K7ng

[8-17] ZScript versions of Legacy of Rust weapons
https://github.com/jekyllgrim/ZSLoRWeapons

[8-14] Quake 2 Remaster - Back to Base(Q2)ics Jam announcement
https://www.reddit.com/r/quake/comments/1esd5iu/

[8-13] Doom 2 gets another ray tracing mod
https://moddb.com/mods/doom-2-ray-traced

[8-13] Xaser and Edward's interview about the new port is out
https://youtu.be/Ks64hePUFqg

[8-11] WadSmoosh ceases development
https://heptapod.host/jp-lebreton/wadsmoosh/-/blob/branch/default/GOODBYE.md

[8-11] DSDA-Doom v0.28.0 released
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/146956

[8-10] Don't Be a Bitch 4 announced
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/146945

[8-10] ID24: new specification built on top of MBF21
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/146943
https://youtu.be/TCCFdOl_CP0

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DOOM 64 /vr/ PROJECT?
https://strawpoll.com/Q0Zp77XXDgM
CAST A VOTE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED

I think a mapping jam based on the authors dreams would be fun. But then again I'm just a retarded ideas guy.

/vr/athon
Somwhere in the heavens...they are baiting.

>>11199763
How will you map me turning up to school with my cock hanging out?

>>11199778
The throw frame of the imps altered to be a 'point and laugh' expression.

Are there any other Quake mods than Violent Rumble that have gameplay modifiers you can turn on? Shit should be more common.

>>11199734
ERASER v3.0 is out:
>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/147486-eraser-v30-a-single-level-partial-conversion-boom/

I'm finally done anons. I can finally take a break. This project is actually 10 months old, I started it in October of last year and it's finally, FINALLY done. Holy shit.

I'm gonna take a break and then see if I can cook something up with you excellent gentlemen.

>>11199808
Paging news post >>11199736

Nice starfish.

>>11199763
Anons once mulled over it when Protons was in active phase. Someone even took reigns over "crayonified" texture pack and bedtime themed pick-ups, it's either in the dust now or anon still keeps working on it.

>>11199836
Oh yeah that was born out of 400 minutes of /vr/
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/8893550/#8893601
I remember discussions got pretty heated, that probably killed interest a bit

>>11199836
It was thrown around when 400 Minutes was being worked on. We had pajama armor pickups, and that's why the Berserk is a 6-pack of energy drinks.

>>11199843

>>11199849
I forgot all about those.

>>11199843
Yeah there were other things like coffee cup health bonuses, sleeping cap armor bonuses, and white energy drinks for regular health pickups. Then one anon was like "what does this have to do with time?" and it split off and became its own thing. There were lots of sprites and other assets produced for it, but it looks like nobody wanted to lead it.

>>11199851
Many posts were about the WIP sky, anon kept fiddling with dithering. It's out there somewhere.

>>11199854

I think I know who made these now
Health pick ups originally for 400 minutes
Re-reading those development threads has been fun, it was cool to see you guys all rally behind something, definitely one of the most fun dev cycles we've had

I decided to try the inquisitor, as one anon mentioned in thew previous thread he would like it to be more popular. And, first of all, turn out I have already tried the third one, and second, what kind of shit were you smoking? Probably the same as the wad maker that decided to make a melee heavy combat wad series in an engine that is garbage for melee combat. And boy, do I love spending 90% of my time not being able to see anything at all because idiots confuse eye straining darkness with atmosphere.

>>11199894
Maybe your display settings are wrong, or you're playing under a direct glare? Know nothing about Inquisitor.

>>11199904
No, it because there's fuck all light sources on the maps.

>>11199856
I was expecting it to transform into an archvile

>>11199783
Arcane Dimensions and Mjolnir let you toggle shotgun projectiles, and Tomb of Thunder has a “super monsters” toggle. No one else has as many modifiers as Vioent Rumble sadly.
>>11199819
What’s the map? I’m curious what kind of danger you’re about to encounter through it and Deathstrider.

>Chainworm Kommando
>That red door in the first map
I knew I wasn't crazy. Version 1.0 does have a softlock, as the red key door doesn't operate even if you have they key when you're locked in. Guess I'll look for an updated version.

>>11199808
And here I was wondering what wad to play. I'll give this a shot and offer feedback, although I'm not exactly great at Doom as an on-off player over the years.

>>11199927
I'm not finding an issue with the version off idgames.

>>11199927
I just played it no problem
yeah, that's how I sort my doom, don' even @ me

>>11199736
>[8-26] Abysm 2 + Expansions Receive Anniversary Update
>https://www.moddb.com/mods/abysm-2-infernal-contract/downloads
Shit. At least I only started Abysm 2 earlier today. Can just easily restart.

>>11199954
>>11199960
>Works on my machine
Yes, very helpful. Either way I'll re-download it because I'm convinced this was fixed at a later date.

>>11199808
Eh, atmospheric, but you're clearly meant to know which path to take at the start and it punishes you severely for not reading your mind on where to go from the beginning. Making you trudge around with no health and making it easy to encounter shit you can't deal with holding no ammo plus no health is a bad idea.

>>11199965
there is not much more to do than download the right wad and the right port version

I'm still interested in doing a /vr/ writes project, we could call it Visionary Records or some shit. It's such a low profile project we could even run it in tandem with actual mapping efforts like the 64 project, it'll be a fun little side gig.
Would (You) write anything anon?

>>11199934
Thanks, I hope you enjoy it. This is the best thing I've ever made for Doom and all I can hope is people like what I have to offer.

>>11199972
That's fair. If you're feeling like you're not finding ammo, hold your fire and look for it. There's even a small supply cache near the beginning. This is structured like Resident Evil, not necessarily Doom.

I trust the player, but I'm also very aware this won't be for everyone. Give it a second try if you're so inclined.

>>11200051
I'm game. I like me some HPL.

>>11199808
>>11199934
Nice. I'm getting some weird Cube/BLAME! feeling playing this. I love a good atmospheric exploration map and this is just what I was looking for. At first I wasn't sure what you were doing dropping me into a level with 1% health, but I'm liking whatever weird shit you've thrown at me so far.
Also found a secret area that doesn't seem to do anything but I assume these nodes are for the "good" ending. No idea what this Control - style pyramid is for, but either way you nailed the setting. You really feel like you're not meant to be here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzu8NoVCdbQ
this is the track I imagine would play for the intro of an A-Team styled action-adventure show starring all the retro shooter protagonists

>>11199918
Map 09 of Pirate Doom 2. It's not that dangerous, but I also have Freylis with me and she has a Raptor and I have a Spike Driver.

>>11200086
Good to hear you're enjoying it so far, anon. Blame! has always been one of my inspirations though Cube would also fit the bill.

The pyramid is there purely for visual purposes. Huge polygonal objects just invoke a kind of wrongness to me, at least when they're done with something more uniform like plastic or concrete instead of say stone bricks. I initially was going to make each step on that pyramid 1 map unit tall, but my hand disagreed with me.

>I assume these nodes are for the "good" ending
Yup, that's right.

>>11199808
I'm going through it now. This seems more like survival horror than a kill everything level.

>>11200181
Absolutely. Maybe I should make that more clear in the OP.

Anyway, it does build up to a kill everything level at points but you're supposed to take it slow between fights.

>>11200219
Yeah I was figuring it would eventually lead to kill everything. Tried out both nugget and DSDA for this. Think I preferred Nugget tho.

>>11200237
>extremely romero locations: techbase

Comfy sleepytime textures are still being worked on, but as is the case so often, real life got in the way.
But I have been burnt out from the 21/22 mapping and didn't even feel like mapping, and with so many other projects being pitched and still being worked on, I feel it wouldn't be the right time anyway.

Finally finished Legacy of Rust last night. Pretty good for the most part, I like it a lot. I can't really pick a favorite map, but I already picked 4 least favorites.
Spirit Drains (e1m3): I feel like it's trying to apply some modern gaming conventions that don't really work well in Doom. There are no secrets. Ends with a fight in a closed arena you can't get out even after finishing it. At least visuals are nice and some combat set pieces are fun, like that one mancubus that teleports behind you.
Soul silo (e2m6): I'm not very fond of slaughter maps, but I can tolerate Hell Revealed levels of it. This is mostly... "tasteful" levels of slaughter, with only the marble arena pushing it a bit too far. In some ways, feels similar to Spirit Drains, with a similar ending but not as fun. Map looks good. Don't fall into nukage pits.
The Coiled City (e1m6): Wanna restrict the player to 2 very situational weapons? I can take it. Wanna make a sequel to The Chasm that also feels like a Sigil map? uhhhh alright. Both of those in the same map? Now you're pushing my patience. At least some secret areas were fun to find.
Brink (e2m7): Oh boy, Soul Silo part 2! It started so well! The maze arena was fun. Everything after that? I think they just wanted to end it quick and just spam tough enemies in plain arenas. I couldn't identify any "strategy" in these last parts, I just kept trying until I somehow survived. I'm sure someone will appreciate them, but not me.
Anyways, good job.

Some music reminds me of Pizza Tower.

>>11200270
Btw, if anyone feels like making edits of the Archvile's res states to have it wield a giant alarm clock, I'd be very grateful.

>>11199808
I'm digging the slower combat with the lower ammo limits and I think I'm halfway through the map. I just found the yellow keycard and the secret there is 10/10, especially the secret SSG location. I do have an issue with the map though, the extra geometry like stairs and steps are still marked in the map which makes it a pain to read and navigate even with the automap.
Regardless of my map issues, you should be pretty proud of the visual work and sound design, nice job!

>>11200237
>guys looks running revenant

>>11199808
is every single room supposed to be dark as op's mom's bush

>>11200237
>speedrunning kustam, imagine

>>11199763
I saved this picture for this exact occasion.

>>11199965
>Yes, very helpful.
You now know the build of the engine and the version of the map that run it ok, so you could at least have an idea of what it's on that is breaking it for you and have a way to potentially resolve it

>>11200237
>cyberdemon inquisitor
>archvile hitscanners
good lord

>>11199965

Lots of imps + war crime rockets = good time. I should put a barrier on that door next time.

>>11200379

>>11200225
Testing was 30% DSDA, 70% Nugget. You'll be alright.

>>11200293
Good to hear you're enjoying it, anon. It's the first I hear someone mention the automap being hard to read, I'll take a look at it after I get more feedback.

Hope you enjoy your time with it, and you're welcome.

>>11200308
Nope. There's more contrast and brighter lighting in the second zone.

>>11199236
I don't really care about how stupid it would've been at the end. For me, it's just the case where using existing character makes way more logical sense than creating a new one from ground up with nothing really to show for at the end.
>I’m still not sure what the whole point of Q4 was with it being released so close to Call of Duty 2.
Not the first time when a company releases the game close to a large release that will definitely damage their performance. And not the last either.

>>11199808
WHERE THE FUCK AM I!?
What have you done why am I in Superhot?

>>11200051
>Would (You) write anything anon?
I have absolutely no idea what you want people to write, what about, and what form.

>>11200394
a doom shōjo

>>11200135
Who is that semen demon and how do I get her?

>>11200393
What HUD or mod or whatever is this? Looks bready cool

>>11199808
I'm really digging that you mostly intended this for Nugget. It's my go-to source port and I'm having fun, even if I'm lost on multiple levels at this point.
>Oh I'll just check this
>Oh a secret
>Well I'm here now, I'll find that teleport late-
>Oh another room
>Oh fuck another area
I am completely lost and its all my retarded asses fault.

>>11200415
Eraser, found in the post I was replying to. It's really good if you want a mix of Doom, the manga BLAME! and survival horror.

>>11200394
Well it'd be way less restrictive than a mapping project, the only criteria would be making it thread relevant, either in the form of a story or an introspection of a WAD or game you like.
It could be a lore document about your Doom mod OC, an H.P. Lovecraft prose story about Ranger's descent through realms unknown, a Strife scenario where the Order wins, fanfiction about the development of 94 Protons of /vr/, maybe even Imp Encounter 2. Whatever thread related thing comes to your mind is fair game.

>another revenant in my bathroom
I need to pee

>>11200135
Very cool. I don't recognize too many Doom beaches and I haven't played Overboard, so I was worried you were going to run into some absolute crazy Cyriak nuttiness.
I started my Lost Civilization playthrough, made through most of the first map, and decided "you know what, this needs some brightmaps" so I'm chipping away at those.
>>11200385
>For me, it's just the case where using existing character makes way more logical sense than creating a new one from ground up with nothing really to show for at the end.
Every Quake 2 expansion has you playing as a different soldier, right? Hasn't been an issue before and doesn't seem too illogical. Is there something about 4 that's really important about continuing that first marine's story?
>>11200415
That's Visse(?) from Deathstrider. She's one of the merchants you can choose to follow you around.

>>11200412
Yeah, I think this combo might be a bit fucky though because I haven't gotten a single rift. High Noon Drifter or Treasure Tech might've been better but I'm 13 maps in.

Were you the one who was doing the Auger;Zenith brightmaps?

>>11200454
Yeah, I think this combo might be a bit fucky though because I haven't gotten a single rift. High Noon Drifter or Treasure Tech might've been better but I'm 13 maps in.

Were you the one who was doing the Auger;Zenith brightmaps?

>>11200491
>Were you the one who was doing the Auger;Zenith brightmaps?
It and Ad Mortem, yeah. The one for AZ is much messier as it was just me adding haphazardly onto a version of SBrightmaps. Ad Mortem's bmaps were more from scratch, it was also my first attempt at lighting up weapon sprites.

>>11200282
Very cute stuff anon. Sorry I was one of the anons that rained on your parade with 400min. I didn't see how the sprites related to the theme at the time but now I see it would have been just fine to include. Hopefully you're able to get this project to a place where I can map for it to make up.

>>11200601
All good, I think I even started working on the textures at some point in summer 22, so after 400 min, because I also made a map for that.
At least we got the clock UI, which I contributed to and am very proud of.

>>11200601
Different anon but you made the right call, we were going down the wrong track with 400 minutes and you quickly rerailed us.

>>11200325
There's nothing speedy involved with that sad bastard.

>>11199391
I was thinking about that while drawing the musket. Even funnier that I was going to give him a spear in the original design. So not only did I go full circle, I just merged those old ideas.
As for a fidget button, I've had to put that to side even before I started designing this new gun. I just don't have enough buttons for it anymore, that and he certainly can't do a Robocop spin with this musket.

On the other hand, I could give him idle animations, and make him do those cool as fuck rifle spinning drills Marines do. Here, have an old ass shitty drawing I did where I was trying to figure out a design for the folding rifle

>>11199808
100%'d
got me like theweeknd in that one gif except i was actually having fun. dig the combat (even if i was mostly fisting dudes after getting the berserk) and the implications that the scenery plants in your head. gwak gwak gwak gwak gwak gwak etc.
hope it gets wanked like it deserves

>>11200325
kÜstam

>>11200393
You've been here before, anon.

>>11200418
Nugget is my preferred port for playing Doom without GZ mods, which is something I do more or less every day. I have some project ideas and most of them can be easily achieved through Nugget, so that's what I'll mod for. GZ doesn't need more attention, Nugget and other ports do.

Anyway, you getting lost is intentional to a point lol. Try using the ambient sounds if the map alone doesn't cut it for you.

>>11200424
Praise is much appreciated anon, thank you.

>>11200646
Good to hear you liked it, anon. Being honest, the berserk is very OP even in its stock form in a map that relies on a tighter leash on supplies but I was like "oh what the fuck if people find this secret they deserve it, I don't need to baby them".

If it gets wanked I die. I might not be a fan of the Cankawards but at the same time, it undoubtedly is proof people played it and know I made it, which means a lot to me.

>>11200660
>the berserk is very OP
i'm too much of a sucker for melee to complain tbdesu

I just beat Go 2 It on UV for the first time (‐＾▽＾‐)
and without saves

>>11200523
Is that Lucy from Fairy Tail?

>>11200051
I know what you're trying to do anon, you're not going to trick me.

>>11200715
...what?

>>11200693
I'm not sure. I think every anime reference in Augur Zenith is lost on me.

>>11200726
>>11200693
Wait I was wrong, and I like Ghost in the Shell

>>11199763
I like that idea a lot actually, it reminds me of this one youtuber that has an animation series based entirely off of his dreams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQZ0JDV4jhg&list=PLcUIjZkOEObjFCo1BlOFo4xbswhI0SiJw

Coiled City? More like Coiled Piece of Fucking Shit Left to Dry Out on a Sidewalk! I mean, what were they thinking?

>>11199763
Interesting idea, but it hinges on having any worthwhile Doom dreams to build upon.

I got scared the fuck out of by the Creeper in Ghouls Forest 3/Torn City when I was a teen, and the notion of him noclipping around and being unstoppable, that I can see him with IDDT on the automap, coming ever closer (almost a little like in Aliens), is something which every now and then comes up in a dream, like a stress dream.
Kudos to Cutman for managing to have that effect on me with something as cheap as a proto-FNAF.

This isn't something I feel would translate in any worthwhile manner to non-ZDoom stuff, and not something I have a particular interest in recreating either, as it's not something I enjoy playing much.

>>11200693
It's wonder how these characters retain their recognizable quality despite the fairly simplified facial features, contrary to the features of western artstyle. Either way, there're some answers in the thread below, at least for the reporter girl.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2580794

>>11200784
By citing some person's remark on this: most promient members of doomworld tend to reside in closely-knit chatgroups, sort of long-lived echo-chambers whose members unable to confront each other and much prefer reassuring headpats to any subjective critique. From my experience playing DtWiD and BTSX wads, I'm inclined to believe this observation. There was no doubt about who made the Coiled City map just from the video footage alone, mapping routine is easily recognizable.

What exactly is so bad about Coiled City, that it leads to schizo posting?

>>11200784
From rewatching the footage, I have to say that I don't much like all these custom monsters. Their roles are strictly situational and they're being used in any type of setup you typically fight the more versatile original demons. Environment does look a lot like hell though, with uncharacteristically apt map name to suit it. Bizarre and eerie, although a little aggravating to navigate through I'd imagine, that's if you disregard the custom monsters.

>>11200898
The Vassago and Ghoul are the two best, but that's because the former is a more interesting take on the Baron while the latter is just Ad Mortem's Gargoyle with a little more health and different sprites. Right down to the faster projectiles.

>>11200825
I like DTWID and BTSX.

>>11200895
see >>11200281
I don't outright hate it but it don't welcome it as much as other maps.

>>11200895
Little health, little ammo, and you get 2 weapons only with tons of big enemies. And one of the weapons is in a secret.
There's also 2 red keys, which is weird.

HDoom: Legacy of Bust.

Is having custom enemies that don't fill niches that bad? What if I want to have a enemy that is there just because I thought it was funny, like an imp with a beard that's asleep and only wakes up if you attack him? Or a marble archvile that looks like a statue at first?

>>11200674
Yes PUNCH SHIT LIKE a MAN YEAH

>>11200960
that sounds cool as fuck, idk why you think it would be bad

>>11200960
how about a blue caco with 500% speed that doesn't attack and just zooms through the level

>>11200903
Pack of skulls are notable nuisance with highly-variable verticality involved, nothing egregious or distinctly unusual for doom players accustomed to infinite heights though. Maybe they would better off with little less health, or not. Trapping the players with these black fiery dudes on other hand, and with no space to squeeze, seems pretty dickish and uninspiring.

>>11200916
I like killing demons too. First impression commonly tells whether you would like the map or not for the rest of its main duration, other times it happens to be a little too tedious to straightline unexciting, like with the wads aforementioned. Liking them to the extent of being able to replay them for a second time is a remarkable notion, but it's utmost doubtful when you turn it three.

>>11201021
>Maybe they would better off with little less health
That's what the Gargoyles were in Ad Mortem. A flying monster that takes less than 2 shells to kill is always appreciated by me.

>>11199738
I'm interested, I might even make 2 maps if I find the time since I'd ideally want one sci-fi and one hell themed one.
But when I think about it, Doom 64 isn't really mechanically superior to Doom 2 in any particular way, I'm just interested in playing around with the unique engine features. Stuff like macro scripting, colored lights and more advanced sky hack. Also the new textures.
>>11200960
I don't think that kind of design is innately bad, but a lot of people who play Doom only consider it engaging because it challenges certain mechanical or problems solving skills in a repetitive, progressive kind of manner (i.e. "arcade" design). The drawback of what your describing in comparison is that it's really only interesting the first time you see it. No one's being fooled by the second statue enemy and a no one's laughing at the exact same joke like they did the first time. It also poses the problem of feeling unfair if you happen to die to it, obviously you can't really predict how an encounter's going to go down if the rules are constantly changing because it's funny. An extreme example of this would be something like Cat Mario, where the rules are constantly changing just for the lulz. Some people like Cat Mario, but most people don't have the patience for it.
And alternatively, if you go the other way and make all these gimmicky new elements sufficiently easy that no one could realistically die/lose to them then you're approaching the kind of design colloquially referred to as a "walking simulator". It's a difficult balance.

>>11200825
You can see which mapper made which LoR map from Doomwiki. That being said, I usually enjoy Xaser's maps. I don't actually remember anyone hating his mapping style before LoR. I think the biggest problem with LoR was the absence of time to beta test the maps as well as they are usually tested in community wads.
>video footage
Don't watch wads. Play them.

Did Quake II have death messages at some point that were patched out by mistake or were they just added in by the remaster? I'm asking because I've only used the unofficial update and Yamagi so far and haven't encountered them.

>>11201075
>I don't actually remember anyone hating his mapping style before LoR.
Maybe it got something to do with the expansion set as the decidedly official continuation while being distinctly different from anything preceding it, or maybe some offsite and very chalant attitude about the matter from its direct creators that we're unaware of. Anons can be quite particular about these kind of things. Hate is a bit strong choice of word though, not sure how much of it applies correctly.

Are demons more prone to shoot if you are simply pumping shots into the general direction? I'm aware that they're quick to retaliate if you actually hit them. Also, I noticed that they firmely hold back with attacks when closely following someone's back, could be my bad luck with instigating the infighting though.

>>11201093
I think enemy kills were all generic "xxx died" but there were messages for deathmatch kills, fall damage and environmental damage, stuff like that.

>>11201152
i shitted my camo pants

>>11200949
our poor boy hasn't even gotten through the base roster, and now you want him to imbooben a bonus episode?

>>11200916
I've only gone through both DTWIDs only once, but I've gone through BTSX1 at least three times.

>>11201152
Cute Doom II TC.

Doom 1&2 didn't prepare me for slaughter maps. The easiest difficulty level, Power-fantasy, is too much to handle, and barely a power fantasy, as I drop hdoom into the load order.
BURL TUMD.pk3, my only .pk3 in use, aint cutting it.

>>11201215
I need to get gud too.

>>11201215
it's not like i'm a tribes 2 player or anything but that looked like a very poor use of strafing and dodging anon
that rabid twitching at the end was funny at least

>>11201221
I require time to warm up muh brain. Really ought not be playing Doom yet, and I'm also flippin my shit because of all the demons over top me, as I'm unsure how their projectiles work from height. I also literally had no idea what was ahead, so that archvile was news to me. I've only played it a small few times. When I got that BFG, I knew I was going to play this to the finish.
tl;dr
I will get gud.

>>11201179
DTWID is pretty good, particularly if you're looking for something which feels very 1993 iD, it basically delivers on that, for the most part.
DTWID2 is F-U-C-K-I-N-G good, it does the whole 1994 iD thing, but more specifically it catches the feel of Doom 2's best parts all around, but it doesn't leave any gaps in quality like Doom 2 originally does, it just fills it in with more goodness, reinterpreting weak maps better or devising suitable substitutes which hold up to the others. Has one of the best Dead Simple clones, and the secret maps are nothing short of superb.

I have played BTSX a couple of times, and it's good, but it's not quite as memorable to me as D2TWID. I truly feel that D2TWID is one of the finest works the bastards at DW has put together.

>>11201215
They really don't, because they didn't even think of that kind of gameplay. Arguably MAP16, Suburbs, is a bit of a forerunner to slaughter, but it goes really light on it all things considered.

One of the best entrylevel slaughter maps remains MAP32, Go 2 It, in Plutonia.
Not the first of its kind, but one of the really early ones, and it does a lot of things right.
It helps that you've had to go through half of Plutonia first before you get there, because then it'll have put some more hair on your chest already.

>>11199808
Had a great time playing this today, took me WAY too long to get to node 1, id love to see this weaponset/character be a standalone mod for maps, love the titular eraser

>>11200523
Oh damn, I just played that, its been great so far; is there anymore cyberpunk stuff like that, or are you working on making more of it?

>>11200946
>There's also 2 red keys, which is weird.
I think thats for nonlinearity purposes.

I want to learn DecoHack (I already know DECORATE) and I noticed there's no QUICKTORETALIATE flag, which is something archviles supposedly have. Does it have a different name or a different implementation? Or better yet, are there any examples of decohack definitions for default Doom things?

>>11200916
>>11201179
>>11201304
I personally didn't care much for DTWID outside a few maps. Felt like it lacked in notable landmarks that stick out, so a lot of it just kinda blurs together for me. D2TWID is honestly incredible, though, and I'd even say fixes some of the pacing issues I had with Doom 2 itself. Excellent secret levels, too.

I enjoy BTSX quite a lot, but I do feel like maybe they should have mixed things up with the techbase theme in E1. Only like two or three levels that were actually unique from the usual KDITD/D64E1/Q2 worship.
BTSX E2 was a little better with its variety, but does enter into magnum opus syndrome at times. I generally liked its big levels, but can see why it wouldn't be for everyone.
You can also kinda notice that some BTSX maps were made during the earlier days of an author's mapping career. Skillsaw is particularly a noticeable example. Considering they decided against giving E3 a beta release entirely, and released its 5 level preview much later on compared to when E1 and E2 did their betas, I imagine E3 might end up being the most polished and "mordern" episode when it finally comes, so looking forward to that.

>>11201417
Average gameplay in The Edge of Time.

>>11199808
I HATE free maps
ty

>>11201410
Isn't that André The Giant's bigass fist?

>>11201423
Gee, that's an interesting question, and I'd like to know the answer myself, I should try out DecoHack a bit myself.

>>11201160
tell him to stop watching vtubers

>LegRust
>E1M10
>[Spoiler]spooky and empty until you nab the Red Skull Key[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]then it opens up a closet on the way back to reveal a Dollarstore Discount Mr.X[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]he hasn't seen me[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]shoot at him with Shotgun[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]doesn't work, puffs seem to stop halfway in the air[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]he still hasn't noticed me[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]shoot a Rocket[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]it makes it through[/Spoiler]
>[Spoiler]Knockoff Mr. X got gibbitated[/Spoiler]

That has to have been intentional, right?
[Spoiler]I'm assuming that it emulated that one bug in Deimos Lab where the enemies can't see you, though that didn't stop hitscans, so did they fuck with both the Reject table and the Blockmap or something?
Also, the windmill with the running machinery inside is actually quite cool, but the actual fan blades on the windmill itself being static really undercuts that visual, and this is something they oughta be able to fix, either as one big animated midtexture, or divided up into smaller ones. Well, they'd need a flipped version too for seeing it from behind. Also the name and theme feels like a homage to Army Of Darkness.[/Spoiler]

>>11201474
Nice formatting.

>>11201474
>>11201476
FUUUCK

>LegRust
>E1M10
>spooky and empty until you nab the Red Skull Key
>then it opens up a closet on the way back to reveal a Dollarstore Discount Mr.X
>he hasn't seen me
>shoot at him with Shotgun
>doesn't work, puffs seem to stop halfway in the air
>he still hasn't noticed me
>shoot a Rocket
>it makes it through
>Knockoff Mr. X got gibbitated

That has to have been intentional, right?
I'm assuming that it emulated that one bug in Deimos Lab where the enemies can't see you, though that didn't stop hitscans, so did they fuck with both the Reject table and the Blockmap or something?
Also, the windmill with the running machinery inside is actually quite cool, but the actual fan blades on the windmill itself being static really undercuts that visual, and this is something they oughta be able to fix, either as one big animated midtexture, or divided up into smaller ones. Well, they'd need a flipped version too for seeing it from behind. Also the name and theme feels like a homage to Army Of Darkness.

pls work this time

>>11201312
Good to hear you liked it anon. Regarding the mod, I was going to make it but I think Skelegant would be better off handling it - it's all her spritework and she helped me out a lot with getfing used to Dehacked. She deserves her slice of the cake.

>>11201450
I forgot where I was often and where I had to check so the computer area map helped me out desu. Figured other folks would appreciate it.

>>11199763
>But then again I'm just a retarded ideas guy.
The only thing stopping you is stop;
So,
Don't

>>11199763
The best Ideas Guys are those who actually know some sort of skill which they can apply to at least help the idea come to fruition.

>making sprites or textures
>making sound
>making MIDI or/and 'actual' music
>making levels
>scripting/coding languages for whatever type of project
>actual programming
>3D modeling
Can you do any of these?
If not, do you figure you have adjacent knowledge which could help doing any of these?
If not that, do you figure you could learn any of these anyway?

There's many guides and programs to help with any of these, and you don't exactly need a degree in art to make graphical assets, or have even any technical understanding of music to make it (look at Danny Elfman, he doesn't know how to read or write sheet music, but he's fantastic).

>>11201485
I played that same level and I can't remember any of that happening. But I remember having to choose an exit at the end.

Is there a mod/map pack for Quake 1 that's exactly the same geometry, but looks prettier? I can't stand how brown Quake is

>>11201680
you're gay

>>11201701
That's not what you said last night with my cock in your mouth

>>11201680
You mean a retexture of Quake? Not that I know of, but I'm sure something exists buried in some obscure subfolder on quaketastic or whatever.

>>11200454
>Every Quake 2 expansion has you playing as a different soldier, right?
Yeah. And that's okay. They all had their own thing to do.
>Is there something about 4 that's really important about continuing that first marine's story?
As I said before, it doesn't seem that logical to make a new marine becoming a strogg and fighting Macron when Bitterman was already depicted as someone who went through stroggification and dealt with Macron before. They could've achieved the exact same result in the narrative with Bitterman while utilizing all the Quake 2 background to make it land better.

>>11201702
I'm offended

>>11201715
>fighting Macron
I can't believe Q2 was an allegory for French politics the whole time.

>>11201379
It comes off as amateurish.

I'm creating a simple batch file to launch games from.

Question: Are .deh generally loaded automatically if they've got the same name as a .wad file?

On DSDA or Woof source port for example.

https://pastebin.com/P9djmk0E

>>11201740
Why not better use ZDL like normal humans do

>>11201739
Not really.

>>11201747
Not even the IWADs had 2 of the same key in a map.

>>11201749
Are you saying the IWADs are crap

>>11201756
I'm saying Xaser is crap.

>>11201740
Usually they are put inside the wad, and if they are placed outside, it's for the benefit of the few ancient ports.

>>11201749
None of them ever try for that kind of non-linearity. You act like they're there without any actual purpose.

>>11201749
>only things done in the iwads are good

>the heckin iwads

>>11201761
It's weird to make a part of the map totally pointless to visit.

>>11201771
Perhaps the same could be said of Earth

let's relax and enjoy watching this beautiful picture of a sexy young man

Was this kind of shit really necessary to add to the remaster?

>>11201771
No it fucking isn't, more mappers should do that kind of shit.

>>11201739
I agree 100%, I assumed it was a mistake at first

You can have non-linearity without having the same key twice, it's retarded. Why not just have two teles to the same key? Or two paths leading to the same key?

Just picked 14 hemp seeds out of my gums. That were stuck between the same two teeth. Each drilling the previous one in deeper.
Any essential ganja ganja xX_420_Xx marijuana weed smoke bong hit 420 wads/mods?
Scooby Doom? Cheech & Chong Doom? DOOD? Harold & Kumar Take a Teleporter To Phobos? Duke Bakem 4D?

>>11201805
Vrack Botanicals has haha le weed funny names for its maps.

have you guys read any books on level design, or do you go by experience and gut feeling?

>>11201789
Berserkers could already evade attacks in the original Q2. Only their jump attack is new. Why would you go full contrarian on the remaster, if you don't even play the original?

>>11201792
Lost Civilization does have multiple same color keys, but it does work in that wad.

>>11201775
Your words are as empty as your soul.

>>11201771
Not if you are going for 100%.

>>11201715
>it doesn't seem that logical to make a new marine becoming a strogg and fighting Macron when Bitterman was already depicted as someone who went through stroggification and dealt with Macron before.
It seems pretty logical putting Strogg upgrades into some greener meat, someone who doesn’t know how take down a Makron warlord.
I also don’t know what weird shit they were thinking here with Q3 but it doesn’t look like “stroggofication”.
>>11201789
It does feel like enemies have an easier time dodging grenades in the new port.

>>11201454

GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!

>>11201737
Is it true what they say about her wife

>>11201860
Making parts of Lost Civilization light up with brightmaps.

>>11201870
Didn't think Lost Civ could get more comfy. Congrats.

>>11201860
Made a map for another community project. I've got so many obligations.

>>11201817
I only played PS1 version. Assumed it's not something you will find in 90s game.

>>11201860
My first ever map is kinda shaping up, I have no idea what I'm doing but I'm having fun. Ultimate Doom Builder is a lot easier than I thought it would be.

>>11201860
dumb tnt inspired map

I'm liking Pirate Doom 2. I'll definitely be making more patches for this.

>>11201870
GZDoom or Woof format?

>>11201835
>someone who doesn’t know how take down a Makron warlord.
At the same time, they get a higher payout by breaking someone who's that strong enough.
>it doesn’t look like “stroggofication”.
Well, Q2 & Q4 had different designs for Stroggs and Arena's Bitterman is definitely closer to the their original depiction. Which is the ones I prefer personally.

>>11202026
The colors of the spell icons and hud elements just really clicks with that scene for me.
>>11202057
GZDoom for the mods I like to use, but learning how to do them for Woof might be fun.

Maybe someone here has some idea what is up with this...
I'm playing Doom E4M1 on the KEX engine port on Hurt Me Plenty. Everything is fine... progress through the level... as soon as I activate secret 2, when the walls raise and Spectres spawn, it turns the game into Nightmare mode or something? Monsters just infinitely respawn after this. I've seen it at like 78 / 64 total monsters before dying from having no space to move / no ammo. If I just run after this and exit to the next level, the effect is still there... monsters are extremely fast and respawn.

It seems like if you trigger certain enemy spawns and rooms you enter in a certain way, it does this. Does anyone know what this is or experience this? Not even sure if this happens on other versions of the game. Is it a bug or what? If I just start E4M2 directly from the menu at HMP and UV, the fast monsters and respawning aren't enabled, as it should be.

But if I go through E4M1 on HPM and trigger the secrets and spawns in a certain order, the difficulty ramps up to Nightmare, with respawn and fast monsters.

>>11201792
>>11201739
Play an Immersive Sim, please.

>>11202026
I'm genuinely surprised you can even play the mod at that resolution with how borderline unreadable everything is. The newer versions might be even worse, but it works on my machine if I bump the Fullscreen Hud scale up to about 3-4 and use hud_oldscale 1.

>>11202023
No such thing (unless it's Metal or Habitat).

https://youtu.be/IlPSbp1io7w

this guy sucks at doom

>>11202116
What's wrong with being metal-inspired?

Hey Doombros hear me out on this. What if id had made it so that the SS replaces the pump action instead of giving you two shotguns? Even better, what if they made it so that if you find both shotguns they get combined into a pump action SS? Would this have been better for Doom II? Basically its like a weapon upgrade.

>>11201860
Cutscene art, mostly.

>>11202132
Surely there are already wads that replace sg with ssg and ssg with something else

>>11202127
He was faster than I thought on this, honestly. Didn't think he would actually play the Keks port.

>>11202132
Having zero vertical spread gives the regular shotty just enough of a niche to where I wouldn’t want it deleted, but I also wouldn’t have opposed a tiny buff to it and the chaingun once Doom 2 rolled around.

>>11202152
I think the shotgun firing a couple extra pellets would be good enough, so it can more reliably stun enemies and one-shot Imps.

>>11202143
Eh I suppose. I only felt compelled to bring it up after seeing a pic of the SS on a /v/ thread. It made me realize that the SS is functionally a shotgun upgrade so in theory he could just toss the weapon aside and stick with the SS. That was kind of the point I was making.
>>11202152
Hmm I guess its been awhile and I forgot about this. I know it eats up less ammo than the SS which can sometimes have its upside when you are low on ammo. But yeah the guns should have gotten a buff as you put it. At least Doom 64 gave us a laser gun.

>>11201498
https://skelegant.itch.io/eraser-weapons

Hey you were right, saw it show up in an itchio email announcement

>>11202156
It could more easily onedrop chaingunners, too.
>>11202161
>It made me realize that the SS is functionally a shotgun upgrade so in theory he could just toss the weapon aside and stick with the SS. That was kind of the point I was making.
Yeah, if the super could fire two “regular shotgun” attacks before reloading I’d be safe with dropping the pump.
Quake has a similar thing going for it: The super nailgun could just replace the regular one.

>>11202232
id struggled with making automatic weapons of the same ammo type function differently. Both the pistol and nailgun have this problem.
Not that it isn't fixable, but it would likely require nerfing the "upgrade" weapons.

>>11202241
Oh boy, and I don’t know how safely nerfed the chaingun could be beyond getting rid of its perfectly accurate “two tap” and making every pistol shot accurate. The nailguns are even more difficult to seperate.

>>11202076
I tried to match the Player/HUD color to Solomon's hood in his mugshot. Just kinda fits, even if I'm not playing as him.

>>11202115
It might help that the max resolution of my monitor is 1024x768. I did set oldscale to false and use a scaling of...fuck, 0.85? Item descriptions in the inventory get cut off on the right but I can read shit just fine. How have the newer versions gotten worse?

>>11202251
I think Copper's nailguns are a good enough example.

>nailgun gets a slight rate of fire boost
>super nailgun fires two nails within a cone

Doom Delta also gives you three bullet weapons.

>rifle is more accurate
>machine gun is more or less the vanilla chaingun
>actual chaingun behaves like the Q2 chaingun

>>11202217
ah hell yeah

>>11202217
Nice.

>>11202127
>doom modding community, a still-thriving cabal
>cabal
slip of a tongue?

>>11202318
GEROSHAY CRUO

>>11202318

>>11202327
>>11202337
*deep sigh*

>>11202127
Why does he constantly attribute everything to Bethesda?

>>11202268
>How have the newer versions gotten worse?
Well... Pic related. Like I mentioned, most of the numbers are bars now because of a massive refactor that finally allowed me to have magazines of variable size without having to define an entirely new class, which in turn spawned a bunch of addons like the RPG rarity (that Magic Imperator, for example). But thanks to the bars and the necessity to play on a shitty laptop for a while I found that because GZDoom's scaling is absolutely horrendous on lower resolutions it's actually better to use hud_oldscale 1, as it uses some black magic voodoo to scale things correctly. Even hud_scalefactor 0.5, which should theoretically make things look okay, fails spectacularly where hud_oldscale 1 succeeds. The only problem is that at your resolution the HUD scale options in the menu vary between squinty mcsquintface and xbox hueg, with nothing inbetween.

So yeah, I guess on lower resolutions some of the readability suffers, but it might also depend on your monitor's native resolution.

>>11201860
Trying to finish up my first Quake 2 map for the ongoing Map Center jam.

>>11202359
he's a retard

>>11202383
Huh. What does a Magic Imperator do?

>>11202489
Weapon rarity has a chance to not consume ammo when firing. The rarities go Normal -> Magic -> Rare -> Legendary -> Set -> Ancient. Why yes, I do play Diablo, how can you tell? For weapons with internal magazines, it also increases their capacity. Firing 30 rounds out of a revolver (~60 if you include Ancient tier's free shot chance) is pretty funny. For wearables it increases durability/repair capacity, and for magazines it increases their capacity. Rarity also increases refund cost for sellable items, so it works pretty well with OG spawns. HOH factor increases tenfold when you see something glowing orange or green in the distance.

>>11202132
No good, the SG has good range and can in a variety of situations have better ammo economy than the SSG.
I'd rather the Pistol was made better, like Duke-ifying it a little, making it more fun and useful.

>>11202359
is this his first video you watched? faking being enraged at something and attributing it to a scapegoat is one of the central running gags of his channel.

>>11202070
A bigger payout with greater risk. Worth it so soon after losing a warlord? Maybe as a desperate effort.
There’s also the market they were selling to, and potentially a lot of people who had never played Quake before. Being a ‘new guy’ makes a lot more sense in that regard.
Also the idea of him being stuck and helpless to the chest of the current Makron is too awesome not to be my new headcanon.
>>11202268
>I tried to match the Player/HUD color to Solomon's hood in his mugshot. Just kinda fits, even if I'm not playing as him.
I like to theme it around the levels I’m playing: Blue/green for Eviternity, purple for Ad Mortem…
>>11202408
Oh baby.

Just saw a hobo wearing a t shirt with cacodemon on it, wtf

>>11201989
Cute!

>>11202632
That's called a mirror, anon.

>>11202640
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ifaoKZfQpdA

>>11202217
Yeah, I messaged her about it early today and she got to work. It helped the stuff was already ready so she just had to stuff it in a separate WAD.

>>11202284
>>11202310
Have fun anons. There are some differences about it, but it's not a huge deal I think.

>>11202647
If It works *okay* with gzdoom I'm tempted to run with Project Malice since it feels they would fit together

>>11202640

>>11199734
Paging news OP, Skelegant released a DEHEXTRA weapons-only version of Eraser for playing other maps with its arsenal.

>https://skelegant.itch.io/eraser-weapons

>>11202672
>Project Malice
The github says 4.12 is buggy with the mod, is that still the case?

>>11202680
You tagged the wrong post, dorkonysus >>11199736
go to your room

>>11202686
D'OH

>>11202408
Good use of broken shit. Will there be more beyond the start area?

>Into Sandy's City
>Doesn't play on Sandy's city level

>>11202739
>Will there be more beyond the start area?
No, unfortunately. That took a long time and I've only got a day and a half left.

Any news on the waifu wad?

>>11202767
>waifu wad
Elaborate further.

>>11202767
It's dead, jim. Unless somebody takes up leadership themselves like with HFFM and Ad Mortem

>>11202784
cant the lead let someone else finish the puyo puyo map?

>>11202808
Pretty sure he canned it so that's not even a problem anymore. Here's his design doc from 2 months ago in case anyone wants to step up to the plate
https://rentry.org/forevralone
reading this page gives me psychic damage

Where can I find artwork with the real doomguy instead of this modern bullshit they have nowadays?

Any good huds, compatible with Heretic, that show all your weapons' ammo counts at all times?
I want an alternative to the alternate fullscreen hud built into GZDoom.
Bonus points if they're thematically appropriate.

>>11202557
>Worth it so soon after losing a warlord? Maybe as a desperate effort.
Well, their desperation would've been excused.
>There’s also the market they were selling to, and potentially a lot of people who had never played Quake before. Being a ‘new guy’ makes a lot more sense in that regard.
Perhaps. Still doesn't mean I'm particularly on board, but at least I know I'm just a stubborn son of a bitch in this case.

>>11199808
Finished it.

I really enjoyed myself. I was confused at first because I beat the map after finding all three nodes and left the level with hundreds of enemies left. So I reloaded and after dicking about noticed you had to BLOW UP the nodes. That lead me to the BFG replacement near the start and the good ending where you switch off the weird BLAME! style hellscape system. Seems that the home section at the end remains the same either way.

The best part was that weird "glitchy" section where you got thrown around to various virtual areas including that creepy "Superhot" style location.

I didn't find everything and I hear there was a computer area map which I didn't find and would have made my node hunting less blind luck and more focused. I also didn't manage to unlock that early SSG because one switch eluded me.
Damn good stuff, and I will happily play another Eraser map should you make one. If this doesn't win a Caco it'll be a crime.

Liked the making of content too. I've never seen a mapper/modder do that before but it's a neat touch. 10/10, good shit, will recommend to others.

>>11202864
Oh, and for a minor criticism, you barely used the bigger Chaingunners and Cyberdemons. I expected some Cubers for the final fight and was surprised to see none there. Not a terrible thing, but it's weird how there were only two in the whole thing.

>>11202251
Giving it a windup like Sam's minigun.

>>11202864
Thanks anon, glad to hear you liked it. I thought the node stuff was a bit more clear, but l really wished there was a better to say "shoot this" without being too on the nose about it. The very first one has some ammo near it, but that's about it.

>glitchy sections
I kinda wanna stealthily add some more of those for the final release. They're fun to make and a good illustration of why software rendering is cool (it looks like ass in opengl and flashbangs people more).

>computer area map
Yep, there's one and it's pretty early if you look for it. It's both there because I forgot where to go sometimes and because it's just kind of encouraging.

I'm not really big into adventure mapping but it feels like when the author hands you a map, you have no reason not to check the rest of the map. It's a bit of trusting the player I think.

>vaultstuff
That was kinda last minute but I'm happy I added it. Skelegant's sense of humor really helped me get through development woes as well as life stuff. Not sure I mentioned anywhere other than last thread but Eraser was made during a bout of depression at first and I think it kinda shows.

>fatter chaingunners and cybers
Well, see, there's a bit a of an anecdote to that. They were late additions to the bestiary unlike the plasma guys and mines, because I wasn't sure I was going to commit to reskinning all of the monsters that do make an appearance.

The chainbrutes got pretty nerfed too, they originally had 600 hp and default reaction times. Needless to say they didn't really fit any of the fights I had made up until that point.

The mini-cybers (they have 2k health after all) also were in a tricky spot. I made only the rainy area with them in mind and they're still kinda easy to cheese despite being baron-sized, so I was in a bit of a pickle if I wanted to use them. I chose to err on the side of caution.

Anyway, thanks! Not sure I'll make more Eraser-adjacent stuff. Maybe as a community thing, like Doomkid's stuff?

>>11199808
wow nice job man
can you upload this on bethesda?

>>11202904
I thought about it and I'm not sure I want to. I don't have the new re-release and I kinda don't wanna fuel Bethesda's fire. More people enjoying what I make is cool and I won't pretend it isn't, but I don't know.

It's just the whole buying le re-release of a game you've had for over 10 years and it being full of shitters, I know Scuba and some DW guys are curating it and shit but I just don't engage with that side of things.

>>11202908
I wouldn't bother, the compatibility seems totally out of wack. 400 minutes of /vr/ somehow managed to crash it just loading one of the maps and that doesn't have any dehacked fuckery at all.

>>11201423
Assuming mbf21 dehacked, the only version with that option, the equivalent flag is called "NOTHRESHOLD". Check out the mbf21 specs:
https://github.com/kraflab/mbf21/blob/master/docs/spec.md
>are there any examples of decohack definitions for default Doom things
Not that I'm aware of, but they should be pretty close to the zdoom wiki's decorate definitions. I referenced those when constructing the duplicate enemies for this map.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11102509/#11113951
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11116938/#q11117624
It might be helpful to look at the code in that wad. Decohack has a built in feature for copying all properties from existing objects, but no way to actually see exactly what you're copying, that's why I also had to reference some stuff manually in WhackEd. There are also certain hardcoded thing properties that aren't thoroughly documented anywhere. The eternity wiki is useful too, but obviously some things listed are exclusive to that engine.
https://eternity.youfailit.net/wiki/DeHackEd_/_BEX_Reference

>>11202851
>Perhaps. Still doesn't mean I'm particularly on board, but at least I know I'm just a stubborn son of a bitch in this case.
Oh that’s just me pointing out the sloppiness of their direction. I’m not onboard with most of Q4 and I’m not trying to get you on board in my stead. and if I’m being honest I think that’s where my own stubbornness is coming from: 4 is not how I’d want Bitterman’s story continued, and what I’d want out of ‘more Q2’ is likely in the minority anyways.
>>11202887
Yeah, it’s kind of hard to top that as a balancing mechanic for that weapon type.

>>11202908
You may want to post it here, to make the somewhat dormant site a little nicer and boost its activity
http://clovr.xyz/wadsup/doku.php?id=start

>>11202913
Yeah, I likely won't. If people like Eraser they can always look into other ways of playing it.

>>11202962
On it, thanks for the heads up anon.

>Verification not required
Yes, baby. Thank you.

why does the E1 skybox show vegetation and an earth-like atmosphere when the epsiode happens on phobos?

Posting a meme a while back
>>>/wsg/5666442

I'm addicted to russian community megawads
>A.L.T.
>Sacrament
>Whitemare
>Whitemare 2
>Speed Master
>Bloodspeed
>30 Years With Doom
Absolutely great stuff. Love them. Is there more? Have I missed something.

>>11202993
There's Gift for Dron floating around somewhere, not sure if that's what you are looking for.

>>11202980
That’s the “Doom universe” for you. Maybe it got terraformed, or the setting just always had it like that.
>>11202993
It might not be what you’re looking for, but one day I’ll finish “The Experiment”.

>>11202127
> He does the last two fights better than me.
Wow, I suck at Doom even more.
Oh hey, that's my map in the mod menu.
>>11202993
Not technically a megawad, but isn't Bloody Steel russian? I think it is.

>>11201159
DOOKIE CRAPEM SHIT-D

>>11202915
That should be useful. Thank you. Weird that it's an mbf21 flag but I guess that's good enough.

>>11202993
There's The Forgotten Sprites but you've got to be pretty desperate to track that down.

>>11202990
KEK

>>11202767
>>11202784
>>11202821
Waifulead here, quick recap:
- I died, and had to relocate quickly after losing my job and my place. I had already compiled the (mostly final) maps I was given, and put all that in the 3rd beta.
- After anons here reported was they found while playing (or testing their own maps), some other fixes were added and put in the 4th beta.
- Then, after nearly a fucking year (the fact that everybody else finished their map by August 2023 and that I couldn't get the wad out that year is insanely retarded), I came back, promised to get it out and if not, at least put every single file I had on catbox by July 2024. This obviously didn't happen.
- In the meantime, some anons put out some fixes for their maps, and I said I would test them out and put that in a 5th beta.
And this is where we stand now. Not only was I slow to test all that, I don't think I found anything more than some slime trails on the Fillia map that don't seem worth to fix, given that the geometry would probably brake elsewhere while fixing those.
That 5th beta will be uploaded to catbox and the link put on the rentry shortly after I post this.
If anybody is willing to test this 5th beta, you can post what you find in the thread, and I'll add anything that is needed to the wad, but if there's nothing to add, then I'll wrap it up and post a final version, and we can all go on our way to quicker projects with car-proof project leads.
>>11202808
I never posted my map barring a teaser, pic rel is as far as I got doing actual mapping, the rest of it will rot in my notes until I get the will to play or do anything that isn't related to job-hunting.
I'm genuinely sorry to everybody that made anything for this wad, from maps to graphics. Replaying some of them made me realize that all of them came from passion, and that this fun project should NOT have taken this long.

What is waifumod after all?
What's the idea?

>>11199808
>gameplay mod: added
>renderer: vulkan
>jump/crouch: enabled
>readme: disregarded
Oh yeah, it's GZgaming time.
I will not be playing the map like this, because the Mad Machine MIDI looping for an hour would drive me completely mad.

>>11203109
tl;dr mappers made sector art of their "waifus"
yeah

>>11203086
>pic rel is as far as I got doing actual mapping
Hey, it's further than I got, I never made the jump from picking out the image in linedefs to actual mapping.

>>11203109
Make your waifu in level geometry.

>>11199808
I like to think I have a decent sense of direction, but I am hopelessly lost like a fifth of the way through this
Good job, the BLAME! experience to a tee
Now where the fuck was that red door

>>11203115
Is that it?
I mean...
Could've at least made is so that you "save" each waifu at the end of the level and they'll follow you around in the next levels, being cute and invulnerable to enemy damage or something...

>>11203128
It was a mapping project primarily, these things seldom have scripting

>>11203135
>>11203128
Not to mention that doing so would require every map to have a dedicated full movement spritesheet for said waifu.

>>11199734
With the Shocktroopers dropping their heads, does that affect the limit of "things" per map in the new ports?
Also, why do some people playing Legacy of Rust not have the intermission screens and PSX fire background?

>>11203151
Yeah and spriting 4 walk frames, 1 pain frame, and 2 attack frames with full rotations is aids and anyone with that talent to do that... wouldn't be contributing to this project lol

>>11203152
>With the Shocktroopers dropping their heads, does that affect the limit of "things" per map in the new ports?
Their heads are a separate thing, but I don't know if the new port has such a limit.
>Also, why do some people playing Legacy of Rust not have the intermission screens and PSX fire background?
Only the kex port supports that.

>>11203152
>why do some people playing Legacy of Rust not have the intermission screens and PSX fire background?
Because those require ID24 support, and the only port that current has such is the Kex port which nobody really likes.

>>11203158
Make them not have any attack or pain states, just invulnerable waifus that fallow around and not help in combat but also don't hinder you.

>>11201916
PS1 Q2 is a very different game. It doesn't even use the same engine.

>>11203110
Best of luck if you do get through it that way lol, everything has been balanced on pickups either holding more or less than usual.

>>11203124
Thanks anon, keep going. You'll get the lay of the land eventually I'm sure.

>>11203170
Still, that's quite an investment that most people would believe are better focused elsewhere, like personal projects.

>>11203176
>It doesn't even use the same engine.
What's Quake 2 64 using, the same engine as Quake 1 64?
>SSGJTS

>>11203086
Oh shit you're back.
I'm playing through beta 4 in Woof and on MAP15 on a continuous playthrough. It's a lot of fun as is even with the bugs.
>>11202821
>You can see the berserk/weapons through the floor on map01.
This is how the software rendering works unfortunately. I know this also happens with the dead imp in the grave in Ad Mortem's MAP01, and a tree in Eviternity's MAP18. I don't know if anon ever updated his map but I guess a workaround is to turn the little lifts with the items into small closets and give them enough room so they don't clip through the walls.
> Music reverted to vanilla Doom 2 music(in MAP06).
There's no D_THE_DA lump in the wad, so it's reverting to the the one in Doom 2

Speaking of the rentry, there's no mention of Fraggot even though that's a completed project. Gotta pull rentrybro out of his grave

>>11202821
Haha what a fun roster-
>Rainbow Dash

>>11203218
Yet mancubus is alright with you?

>>11203225
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/73912

>>11203192
Map06 never had a midi submitted with it, and the author never mentioned wanting a specific midi from Doom 2 to play, so I put a temporary midi in one of the earlier beta to make sure I would catch it if the Daina enjoyer changed his mind and submitted an update with a midi. It never happened, so I just took out the temp midi (that another anon took the time to fix, thanks for that and the other music patches).

As for Map01, it's been more than a year since it was done, and it indeed happens in other wads. I'm not gonna alter somebody else's map for a fix like that, it's quite benign.

>>11203225
*HDoom* Mancubus however.

>>11202821
>15
>shantae
>h-manc
>betty fuckin boop
erry noice

>>11203218
It's a great level.

>>11203240
no, not really

>>11203191
>What's Quake 2 64 using, the same engine as Quake 1 64?
Yes. And Quake 1 64 uses the same engine as PC version, pretty much.

Is the ZDoom wiki down? Wait, looks like the whole site is having problems on my end. Even the home page has some errors.

>>11203229
Oh, I didn't mean for you to edit the map for him I just giving a suggestion. I agree it isn't that big a deal

>>11203128
That's a massively different scope and would take extensive new assets and design work which would probably quadruple the dev time at the least.

>>11203218
Joe couldn't help himself.

>>11203273
Can anyone help him?

>>11203225
Yes.

>>11203276
Not even god.

>>11203086
godspeed waifu san

>>11203279
We better ask Satan then.
...
Nope, just got off the phone with him, says Hell is full now.

>>11203170
That's still shitloads of work. Making all new character sprites for a game like this is massively bothersome and time consuming even for someone who has the skill for it, which is why virtually all custom monsters ever made for Doom are edits of existing sprites.

I'm gonna feel like an idiot for asking this, but I've been trying to set a custom level up sound for Gun Bonsai since that's an option, but I have zero modding knowledge whatsoever, I have no idea what to do in the SNDINFO or CVARINFO or whatever, its forum topic isn't giving me much help, and I generally have no idea what the hell to do. What do I do?

>>11203181
>Best of luck if you do get through it that way
TELL ME, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
TELL ME, HOW DO YOU FEEL?
It's easier than normal because BGC Doom is mostly just a reskin, the only change is cranking up the number of bullets carried and the fire rate of the chaingun. Lots of funny visual bugs from the Eraser weapons having more frames than the Doom ones though.

>>11202821
>Outis
>Toph
>AK-15
>Merula
>Maka Albarn
>Madotsuki
Really liking a lot of these tastes.

>>11203297
At least it's not 4k upscaled 120 project brutalslop.

Jokes aside I forget that's a classic mod. Should play it someday. Hope you enjoyed Eraser (assuming you played it without mods too, you jabroni).

>>11202980
It does? I can't tell. At least the vegetation part. I guess fog cannot form without an atmosphere.

>>11203115
I should do my own some day.

what do yall think of Mt. Erebus as a map?

>>11203086
I didn't get too far in the 4th beta but feel free to post the 5th beta. I can't say I'm great at UV but I can test it and HMP out.

>>11203086
cheers m8

>>11203086
>spoilers
no worries m8, "not dying" is a pretty reasonable excuse to delay a project. Certainly stronger than whatever excuses other leads here might have

>36.5 gigabyte soundfont torrent
>can be swapped in and used for anything midi, including, obviously, the music in Doom
[Arachno SoundFont - Version 1.0.sf2] and [SC55_EmperorGrieferus.sf2] are good. But... damn, I need The Best for the Logitech Z906 5.1 speaker system

>>11203506
>5.1
>not 7.1

>>11203405
Here's the 5th beta : https://files.catbox.moe/n6owe1.zip
You can also find the link and some info here : https://rentry.org/forevralone
Cheers to everyone here still interested in this. This should be the last beta, as no game breaking bugs remain, and I'm late enough already. I'll give it a week or two to get some feedback, but past that or if there's no feedback, I'll call it done. Maybe put it on idgames if I find out how to submit it, but wadsup and Catbox are good enough for me.
>>11203427
Yeah I guess, but I still feel that I should've rushed to finish it as soon as I had a stable enough situation instead of letting it nearly die out like that. Maybe next year I'll be able to get back on personal projects or even get a map done for something here.

Also, since I saw some 400min/sleepy sprites here : I nabbed the coffee cup sprite you posted back then and used it for the intermission. Hope that idea will become it's own thing someday.

>>11203404
The idea of an open map with different buildings in it is always going to come off as amateurish no matter how well executed it is.

>>11203621
>The idea of an open map with different buildings in it is always going to come off as amateurish no matter how well executed it is.
No

>>11203404
I think its a decent level, and quite unique for Doom 1. The use of fireblu is kinda odd, though.

>>11201870
>>11201872
I think I'm done, gonna test some levels now.

Longshot but
To the guy with the Fireblu curtains down the street;
Your cat knocked over all my plants and shit in my opossum's food bowl. Please come pick him up and don't let him out after midnight in the future. Thank you.

>>11203404
Favorite Inferno map. It's more or less what I imagined hell levels in Doom would look like before I played past the first episode.
(I think I had a dream involving caged imps before I knew they were a thing outside of e1m9)

Well, I got all the kills on E4M1; now I just need to find the other secret. It's a bit of a shame the way they set up Hell Beneath with the enemies and items. I like the way the textures were used for the area; it's got a nice, consistent look to me.

>>11203579
So what's the plan with the final release? Gonna make a doomworld post? Idgames?

Trying to chill but also challenge myself. I never really use the star texture set because I just kinda think it's hard to do much with it, so I've been trying to get a classic-ish map going that uses it pretty liberally. This is just what I have done so far, why the fuck is star so hard to use?

>>11203579
Took so long my waifu died waiting. Good work, hope things get better for you soon. dang I'm not sure where I saved that cute sketch anon made of all the submission characters

>>11203805
Already back on it, huh?
Just be careful not to burn yourself out, especially before the next /vr/ project

>>11203880
Mostly so I don't forget vanilla maps don't need to be full of detail, anon. This thing gets just 20-30 minutes a day, when I remember it exists.

Which is two days in a row already.

Fuck.

any anons here map for mbf21 format?
Thinking of contributing to a potential /vt/ project that's aiming for that map format but I've never made an mbf21 map.
I don't think there's anything too radically different from base doom beyond the line specials (or any decohack shit) right?

>>11203707
Good luck on map 2 kek

>>11203887
It's just Boom with like 2 additions. Most of the MBF21 stuff is DeHackEd which mappers don't have to worry about.

>>11203648
Show an example or blow it out your ass.

>>11203621
Retard opinion.

Hmm, hit the red key switch in map04, I'm pretty sure this wall is supposed to come down but nothing's happening. Running in Zandronum atm.

>>11203579
based Mokou poster

>>11203935
You're an inspiration for birth control.

How the fuck did I miss 12 enemies

>>11203887
>spoiler
damn even those dregs play more video games than /v/ huh?
but yeah it's really not all that different from boom, the scripting stuff is the complicated part but I imagine the project lead will be handling that

>>11203962
It's just an excuse to contribute to a group project for once for me.
Also yeah the project lead has some ideas on custom sprites and sounds etc. So I'm just working on making a map that won't take ten years to make

>>11202217
>>11201860
I really liked how the hands looked. I hope it's okay if I test them for a bit..?

Mt Erebus is a good map
The Factory is a good map
Downtown is a good map
Industrial Zone is a good map
Suburbs is a good map

>>11204008
How dare you like things.

>>11199736
Dunno, if anyone cares, but there was a new BuildGDX version released a week ago.
https://m210.duke4.net/

>Terry Crews mod
Give this man the Cacowards

>>11203404
I've always considered it a highlight of Episode 3. It's visually striking and it being open is a relief after the tedium of Unholy Cathedral.

>>11203998
Impressive, very nice. I wish GZDoom had a sensible way of switching just the hand sprites. Overlays technically work, but doing the animations would be a nightmare.

>>11204008
The Factory is like Sandy's worst map, it's vastly inferior to Tricks & Traps, The Chasm, Barrels O' Fun, or Refueling Base, and it doesn't measure up to Downtown or Suburbs either.

>>11203913
There's no point. If you firmly believe the concept on the whole is amateurish, then no example would satisfy your snobby ego.

>>11202383
what mod is this? looks cool

At original resolution these guys and Doom's specters really do just turn completely fucking invisible far away/in the dark.

>>11204070
Factory genuinely feels like an unfinished map to me. Many areas that are empty. Key locations feel like they were an afterthought. Final area locks you in because the door behind you requires a key that doesn't exist in the level. Doesn't help that its paired with one of the boring midis of the game.

>>11204085
Deathstrider.

>>11204083
If there is no point then don't reply in the first place.

>>11203661
I dream about the day when other ports adopt GZ brightmaps and bloom. The only graphical effects that in 99% cases look great with any map no matter its age.

>>11204070
>barrels o fun
nigga factory is unpolished but barrels is outright a shitpost

>>11204060
I worked on the wyvern and mortis. Not too happy with the mortis right now, will see about tomorrow due to super tired.
>>11204158
KMQuake2’s easy brightmap support is a big reason it’s my favorite Q2 port.

>>11204142
I wanted to let you know that you are not being agreed with. Don't like that? Don't care.
But if you genuinely wanted in good faith examples to go with that disagreement, don't put
>no matter how well executed it is.
In your post. You already told me that you wouldn't accept them as examples, so I didn't bother. Hope this helps!

the chasm was okay

>>11199734
Anyone reading this, what are your favorite doom wads?

>>11204095
>Final area locks you in because the door behind you requires a key that doesn't exist in the level.
Surely there was a less stupid way to make a one-way door in the vanilla engine?

>>11204272
scythe 2 and demonsteele
Unironically, I promise I'm not term

>>11204272
I don't think I can pick a favorite, but I'd say Alien Vendetta is one of the wads I revisit the most.
>>11204275
Of course you're not, because if you were Term and Demonsteele was your favorite you would've finished it.
.. Just Kidding, of course.
I'm not Term but I almost never finish anything even though I love my own stuff.

>>11204274
Sure, you can make it not a door at all.

>>11204254

>>11204249
You're still bothering a lot for a guy that doesn't bother. Is not having the last word that hard for you? Is it as hard as not having a shit opinion?

>>11204306
Did I give examples now?

>>11204272
I like to revisit Speed of Doom and Resurgence a lot.

>>11204254
>>11204297
What are they looking at?

Also just wanted to quickly thank the anons who played my map. I'm all gushy people like what I made and it feels great to know those 10 months (probably more like 7 of actual work) paid off.

Here's a picture of Eraserguy you might not have seen, it's the bossback of the weapons-only version. Kinda makes me want to pull off a Legacy of Rust style BFG but I'll live with the reskinned BFG still desu.

>>11204352
>Eraserguy
Thought it was a chick. Huh.

>>11202217
>i don't have to clean up my half assed attempt at isolating them
thank god

>>11204272
Going down is the pinnacle of WAD design

>>11204272
the older version of extermination day goes crazy. the newer one however makes my eyes hurt.

>>11204089
Yeah, Doom's Spectres are unironically really hard to see in 320x240, their murky dark shimmer blends into the normal pixel grit and gradient darkness.

This makes me wonder what the best way is to achieve a comparable end result with hardware rendering,

>>11204398
Like, just barely visible. Is there some shader which can do a subtle fuzz and refraction look?

>>11204397
Older version? Hell on Earth Starter Pack?

>>11202531
There's a revolver with an internal cylinder now? Is that in the HDest pack?

>>11203998
Very cool. What's the map?

>>11202941
>I’m not onboard with most of Q4
Me neither. I was talking from the point of an ideal situation... whatever it would've been. And I won't call myself Quake 2 either, despite enjoying it more with its re-release.
>4 is not how I’d want Bitterman’s story continued
Well, yeah. Just placing Bitterman in place of Q4's protagonist with minimum changes isn't enough by itself.
>>11203086
>>11203579
You doing better now, Waifulead? How did resurrection went and all that?

Been trying to map for at least an hour a day for the past month. All I can say is, fuck me mapping is hard, and it's even harder when Doom Builder crashes about three times an hour. How do you all do it lol? Does mapping ever become even remotely fun? Are there editors that crash less than ultimate Doom builder? I only want to map for limit removing

>>11204442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mjf2pg4MFQ

>>11204465
It doesn't crash for me. I heard it has stability issues on Linux though. I think there's Eureka that is not crashing on Linux.

I usually just sit with an idea for months before grabbing the editor and mapping.

>>11204446
It's part of the HDWP, yes.

>>11204470
I liked HoESP more mainly because the vanilla edition of EDay cut some of the bosses and outright broke a secret or two. Should replay the older version at some point. I don't even remember what the difference is between the two; it's been that long.

>>11204306
>Is not having the last word that hard for you?
Not him, but I fucking hate anons that do that. The argument is over, nothing more can be said, but they MUST have the last word anyway because to them it means they "won". It's so fucking childish.

>>11204352
Also though Eraserguy was a chick. Well, until he started complaining about his lack of keys.

>>11202217
Neat. A good weaponset for Auger Zenith, because its fitting with the cyberpunk stuff.

>>11204381
>>11204536
The mugshot is based on a female one so you're not wrong there. Because 90% of Doom mod protags are variations on Doomguy's mug and Eraser has some 90s anime vibes to it, I wanted to go with a less burly character. Skel was also trying to do something fresh, so win-win.

Not sure if Killy actually was part of her inspiration, but he does look kinda cute in some panels so it kinda lines up.

In other words: I wanted a twink protagonist because no one did it before. Not sure my voice lends itself well to that, though.

>>11204465
One of the most important steps is to "just map," even when you feel you're lacking inspiration or ideas, you gotta be putting down linedefs, forcing yourself. It can often make you start getting ideas
and how to implement them.

>>11204484
the newer one expands the levels and has a fancier texture set.
and it bothers me because the attempts at atmosphere and scenery become overbearing and begin clashing with the blocky level geometry, and some textures are not picked/edited properly to fit the lower resolutions. gives me the vibes of those videos of people playing with thick post processing filters. could also be a nostalgia thing though.
it does have an earlier secret bfg spawn, in bio labs, so there's that.

>>11204465
I just started mapping and I'm having fun, why even do it if you don't like it?

>>11202993
Have you checked out Russian Random Speedmap Pack? It's not a megawad per se, it's a pack of maps for several source ports. The third installment even has a website made for it: https://rrsp3.github.io/en/

I kinda forgot I started this 3x3 slaughterlite map like two months ago. Eraser ate up most of my mapping time.

I should go back to it.

>>11204568
Pretty.

>>11204557
Noone makes the maps I'd really want to play, that's why I want to map.
I find the process of mapping ITSELF painful but I do like when I get something looking decent in the game. I just hope I can find some fun in the drawing lines / texturing / lighting part

>>11204576
>Noone makes the maps I'd really want to play, that's why I want to map.
Same.
I want to make something that looks pretty but isn't some Ribbiks FUCK YOU intended for the best players. Something that's just easy and relaxing for a chill Doom session. I've got nothing to prove, so I don't need everything to be cranked to 11 at all times.