/vr/ - Retro Games

>>11198037
Yes you can skip this and play MGS1 on ps1

>>11198037
The only good thing this did was massively shortening the whole PAL key bullshit.

>>11198037
correct, its kojima's true vision.

>>11198037
Twin Snakes is an insult to the original

>>11198037
OP the people above are taking the piss. Play the PS1 game first. The GameCube game has less interesting colour grading, ridiculous cutscenes, and the gameplay which has been backported from MGS2 simply does not work in MGS1's levels.

>>11198070
There are hundreds of examples of the remake being a downgrade, and your ultimate example was a woman's underwear? Is this image a psyop made by a Twin Snakes fanboy to make TS detractors look insane?

>>11198056
That's supposed to be Georgaru Lucaski Kojima-san, right?

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>>11198073
Dull colors and panties censored is enough for me.

I played MGS1 so many times and Twin Snakes maybe once so I do kind of feel like playing TS some time in the future as I barely remember it.

>>11198070
>panties showing through military fatigues

mgs2 is a cool game, there are a lot of vr missions for it. just play those. mgs1 does not need mgs2 crammed into it.

>>11198073
He's a /v/ immigrant so he doesn't care about gameplay, only coomshit.

I like Twin Snakes.

>>11198214
:)

>>11198037
Twin Snakes is more of a funny version you play for novelty's sake after you're already invested in the series

>>11198073
He's a recurring shitposter who always makes this exact format of image about any given remake. He always points out minuscule shit and gives it as much or more attention than things that actually matter.

>>11198210
>care about gameplay
>shill western demake

>>11198280
Here's another one for you.

>>11198269
this, just make sure you play the ps1 version first so it doesnt taint the real experience

Getting real reddit energy from posters clearly overly upset at the panty thing even though that wasn't the only thing pointed out in the image

>>11198087
Is it censored or is it different?

i prefer twin snakes since their mouths actually move. the cutscenes are retarded though like the one where snake is doing flips to dodge the hind's missles

>>11198329
Call it nostalgia, but there's a particular charm to the bizarre head twitching MGS1 uses to represent people talking.

>>11198037
No, you play it on Dreamcast with a PS1/2 controller.

Post the webm, that should be enough to discourage everyone from playing this abomination

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>>11198073
Having twice the processing power while making the game have less detail is a bad look. Even if it is coomshit, the coomshit is a part of the original, and it being erased is pretty wack.

>>11198369
RvB did it too

>>11198280
How is posting actual screenshots of a game, clearly illustrating his point being a 'shitposter'? You can clearly see there is far less detail to the models and environments as well as ambience, etc. I think everyone also knows that the MGS2 first-person aiming breaks the game anyway. Twin Snakes is best to play for fun after MGS1.
>>11198329
Kojima hired that movie director specifically for that, they made it retarded on purpose. See the movies he made like Versus.

>>11198214
Same. Itt it's all npcs spewing the same two decade old critiques.

Internet tell me to hate this game i am so special

>>11198214
Me too anon.

Twin Snakes is worse but they should have included it in these new MGS Remaster collections on PC. Of course, Konami put zero effort into them so it's not surprising, and if they did put it in then it'd be running at like 576p30fps or some bullshit.

>>11198070
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>>11198382
God what an abomination Twin Snakes is

>>11198037
It has first person shit controls which ruined the series after 1
>lean right and aim
>have to press R1 and R2 at the same time
If you have standards and aren't cattle this alone is unnaceptably retarded. Besides it making the game way easier

>>11198070
More colors on screen isn't always better. The remake has a very cool monochromatic aesthetic with the snow standing out

>>11198206
Yeah there are things wrong with the remake (and the entire series) but this thread is mostly retardation as expected

one of the things that pissed me off about the gamecube remake, is was like i fuck it, i beat every other difficulty except extreme on psx, i'm playing the remake on extreme, and goddamit, i got hardstuck fighting the tank, and after like 50 attempts in a row, i just gave up, and watched a lets play on youtube

something seriously pissed me off. they took the sniper wolf medication, diazepam, and nintendo made them rename it to some bullshit chemical

i'm on the sniper wolf medication right now, so i can see why it keeps your aim steady now, haha

>>11198037
Sure, if you're a fag.

>>11199108
MGS2 was still good because the game was designed around that factor and still had difficulty that forced you to figure things out. From Twin Snakes and MGS3 onwards the games are broken. MGS1 they just didn't think about how it would change the game, MGS3 the environments are bigger and they load you up with equipment so you can sit a mile away from enemies and pick them off or just look around, see where shit is, and avoid it all as you run to the next screen unhindered. Bosses also got way too easy and 4 had good difficulty in higher modes but still way too many features to even take in unless you just sit there trying everything just for the fuck of it as you are never forced to figure shit out since just a pistol and running around enemies is enough if you figure out the areas. 5 is the worst offender as the game is fuckhuge and you have a million items. MGS games having limits and restrictions forced the dev team to perfect what they had instead of just hurl shit at a wall.

>>11198059
came here to post this. the ps1 game is perfection, just play it

>>11198382
If you got that cutscene it means you didn’t save Meryl, meaning it’s non-canon. Kojima literally punishing you with cringe for being a pussy who couldn’t button mash.

>>11199118
>The remake has a very cool monochromatic aesthetic with the snow standing out
It looks like shit.

The best thing about playing twin snakes is playing it after mgs1 and comparing them with the knowledge that the mgs1 localization filled kojima with rage

>>11199132
Diazepam goes well with a few beers too. Try it.

>>11198073
>Why do you care about the panties at all chud!?
>>11198206
>It's not realistic to see panties that's why we removed them chud!
/vr/ is very close to reddit.

>>11198323
It’s censored.

>>11198382
Is this real? Lmfao

>>11199623
>>11199654
This is the same game where you outright see Meryl in her underwear. What convincingly makes this censorship?

>>11198210
Looking at her ass is gameplay important

>>11199227
>MGS2 was still good because the game was designed around that factor and still had difficulty that forced you to figure things out.
Lies, first person aiming only makes shooting enemies (both during stealth and combat) easier because you can headshot them and shoot down cameras and shieeet

>>11199504
You just have shittaste

>>11198070
Thinking left is more pleasant to look at here is mental illness. And stop cooming

>>11198280
Is it the same guy who made all those images for the TTYD Remake and spams them in every single thread about it?

>>11198073
>There are hundreds of examples of the remake being a downgrade
No there aren't, PS1 graphics aren't better than 6th gen graphics. You're talking your subjective taste. I still prefer the PS1 version but the Twin Snakes hate is peak autism.
>>11199118
>More colors on screen isn't always better. The remake has a very cool monochromatic aesthetic with the snow standing out
This. Sony fans usually understand this when talking games like picrel.

>>11200524
>PS1 graphics aren't better than 6th gen graphics.
They can be.

>>11200527
True

>>11200524
>but the Twin Snakes hate is peak autism.
no it isn't fuck off. the cutscenes are stupid and the voice acting is phoned in, the game doesn't actually solve any of the originals core problems while putting in a bunch of mechanics that just create new ones. people naturally don't like stupid hackjobs.

>>11200524
Stupid argument. Twin Snakes is the usual gc affair of rendering. No contrasts, weak art and uncanny valley models. Obviously the hardware is stronger. The art is worse. Might as well just stick to modern gaming on a $3000 PC if that's all you care for.

>>11200524
>No there aren't, PS1 graphics aren't better than 6th gen graphics
If it looks worse and is less artistically cohesive/interesting, then the larger resolution doesn't save it from being a downgrade. Twin Snakes is obviously not nearly as egregious as the GTA Definitive Edition, but I worry that GTADE would be considered an upgrade under your logic.

>>11200540
What game?

>>11199227
Maybe Kojima just wasn't as smart as you think he was.

Objective answer: play PS1 first, then you may play TS forever after.

>>11200540
What game is this?

Tendie Gear Solid: The Twin Frens

>>11198037
Skip this one entirely. I looks bad, the voice acting is worse, the gameplay is worse, the story is worse. Like you'd think it's one of those "play this after the original MGS1 for a fun remake that may overtake the original like Zero Mission" but nope. It's just trash.

They are both good. Normies prob couldn't handle MGS1's control scheme but the aesthetics, acting etc are getting but the gameplay is much better with first-person in twin snakes.

>>11199862
The game was close-quarted and made it so that you couldn't just snipe everything in first-person and proceed, and the Extreme mode bosses are the hardest in the series.
>>11200524
No, there is less detail and ambience in.the GC version plus the characters and movements look silly overall, especially Snake's spin kick.
>>11201028
I don't think about that as games are made by large teams of people, but Twin Snakes was produced by Kojima as a fun project that was an alternative version of MGS with a director who took Sam Raimi's style and turned the volume up to 11, not a superior remake.
>>11202281
How is the gameplay better when the FP aiming in TS breaks the game. MGS1 and 2 are perfectly balanced for every difficulty. All other games are not. TS is fun but not the game MGS1 is.

The remake is good in it's own right.
Play the ps1 version.
Play the GC version.
Enjoy both and experience both for yourself.
Ignore the fagtards with the console war bullshit

>>11198037
Yes but you'd be a massive faggot if you did that.

>>11202306
>The game was close-quarted and made it so that you couldn't just snipe everything in first-person and proceed
But you can, the whole game is a collectathon where you sneak up on enemies and take their tags.

>>11200524
i prefer the twin snakes visuals for that reason. it's also a lot harder than the original

>>11198037
No you stupid faggot. Turn that trash off and boot up MGS1

>>11202601
OP here, I'm not going to do that as you PS1 fags sound unhinged af. I also heard that the cool ninja gets more love in the GC game.

Actual OP here, i suck a billion fuckin dicks and run an Epstein Island in my Smash local.
Twin Snakes rocks btw.

Manly Gay Shit: The Turd Snakes

>>11201939
Anyone?

>>11201019
>>11201939
>>11202623
Might be Evergrace

>>11202628
Thanks

>>11198037
2 is the only good MGS, comfy setting, characters, best music

>>11198037
Sure, if you want an objectively inferior experience.

>>11198056
"Rike poetry, eet rhymesu. Deedju like it?"

>>11198037
If you want to be a bigger faggot than people playing REmake over RE1.

>>11205331
Unlike Twin Snakes, REmake is better than RE1 however.

>>11202281
if someone can play 2d zelda they can play mgs1. the only thing that's a little wonky is the aiming with your socom/famas and you only need to use them for like a handful of sections in the game. it's not like tank controls where just moving the character around is something that you immediately have to adjust to.

>>11198056
>Johnny is the key to all of this
>he’s a funnier character than we’ve had so far.

>>11207409
imagine jar jar fucking padme.

>>11198037
Another Nintendo GameCube classic.

>>11198047
fpbp

>>11198037
Its literally just MGS2 with MGS1 level design, a weaker control scheme thanks to less buttons, and insane bullshit cutscenes that ruin the theme and mood of the original game. The only good thing about it is the soundtrack.

>>11210268
Give me a break dude

>>11210292
I agree with him, but say that's it's a good game as opposed to the original which is a classic. I hate to have to say it, but it's a Japanese game with Japanese producer and director, butreworked by gaijin staff, and they just can't do it like Japan, and without the og staff Kojima didn't seem to notice how they broke the gameplay, how the models and movements weren't as cool, etc. Still a good experience though.

>>11198037
go for it

>>11202620
Are you 12 years old?

>>11198037