/vr/ - Retro Games

who knows. who cares. probably whatever was on xbox.

>Crazy Taxi 3
>Jet Set Radio Future
>Panzer Dragoon Orta
>Puyo Puyo Fever 2
>SEGA AGES (PS2 ports/remakes)
>Sonic Adventure 3/Shadow the Hedgehog
>Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2
>Toejam and Earl: Panic on Funkotron
>>11172405

>>11189567
GTA 3 definitely would have been on DC
What about Vice City though? I don't feel like there's anything much more technologically advanced about it that would mean it couldn't be a DC game.
San Andreas would definitely be too much. It wouldn't fit on the disc, for one thing. So it would be held back and become a Dreamcast 2 launch title in 2005, probably ending up as the definitive console version of the game

>>11189556

It's very sad to this day what happened the dreamcast. It cost a fraction of what the PS2 did and it had online out of the box. Dozens of great games by the time the PS2 launched. Sega fucked up so bad in previous generations - 32x, segacd, Saturn, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the dreamcast. I don't know how it could have been more of a success.

If sales were bad so what - over time PS2 fans would eventually work out that dreamcast was worth having as well. Remember dreamcast had a ton of exclusives at that point that were only ported to PS2 later. You can see today the incredible community of people with fond memories of the dreamcast, of the closely-knit online communities like on PSO that survive to this day, being forcibly brought back online after Sega shut them down.

Whoever decided to terminate dreamcast and all console manufacture was a fucking coward. All they had to do was wait it out. .

>>11189590
Dreamcast was at 9 million sales in just 2 years on the market (3 if you count the extra year in Japan)

I find it highly unlikely it wouldn't have at least matched the GameCube's 22 million if it had been given some more time

>>11189598
I think it would beat GameCube, hands down
>No F-Zero GX
>no Monkey Ball; 2; Adventure
>no Sonic Adventure DX; 2 Battle; Heroes; Gems Collection; Mega Collection
>no 2K; NBA; NCAA; NHL; NFL
>no Crazy Taxi
>no Samurai Jack
>no Shadow the Hedgehog
>no Phantasy Star Online
>no Billy Hatcher
>no Skies of Arcadia
>no Virtua Striker
>no Beach Spikers
>& no motherfucking Puyo Pop Fever

Dreamcast could had:
>Panzer Dragoon Orta
>Virtua Fighter 4
>Otogi; 2
>OutRun 2
>Crazy Taxi 3
>Jet Set Radio Future
>Shadow the hedgehog
>Sonic Gems Collection; Mega Collection
>The House of the Dead 3
>Spartan Total Warrior
>Super Monkey Ball; 2; Adventure
>ToeJam and Earl 3
>2K slop up 2005
>Phantasy Star Universe
>SEGA AGES Vol. 1 to Vol. 33
>Puyo Pop Fever; 2; Puyo
>Astro Boy
>Sega Classic Collection
>Sega Mega Drive Collection
>Sega Rally 2006
>Shining Force Exa; Neo
>Shinobi
>Nightshade
>Virtua Quest
>Model 3 ports such as Scud Race
>More NAOMI and NAOMI 2 ports
>Goylop ports from Atomiswave
>Maybe a Yu Suzuki Game Works Vol. 2?
>Maybe a Toshihiro Nagoshi Game Works Vol. 1?

If only SEGA could have held out for 2 more years... they would have fucked GameCube in the ass.

tl;dr
Fuck you, GayCube

>>11189590
>Be yourself in early 2000's
>Must choose your next gen console
>One of them has DVD.
>Second installment for most success previous gen.
>Technically superior.
>Literally all devs and big studios are in or want to.
>New releases of successful franchises.

DBZ Budokai 1.

>>11189676
>Be me, autistic kiddo
>Autistic kiddo with internet access
>Autistic kiddo with a parent that has a contract with Aol
>SEGA gaves you a free Dreamcast if you upgrade your Aol contract
>Dad upgrades it
>Lucky autistic kiddo with a "free" Dreamcast
>Sheeeit SEGA became a 3rd party
>Autistic kiddo grew up as an online mofo
>Online mofo gets an OG Xbox with Halo CE with his 1st paystub
>y life so ez
>autistic mofo softmods its OG Xbox
>autistic mofo can enjoy Dreamcast games and OG Xbox games/homebrew and DVDs with XBMC
>life is so ez

>>11189580
autism

I never cared much for the dc but if its library expanded this much then it would have been unavoidable

>>11189571
Its radio stations having 3x the music of III's makes the game take up too much room for a GD-ROM.

>>11189556
In some of the DC games I've bought second hand you can sometimes find adverts inside for the upcoming games of 2001, and it's always interesting to see what was just around the corner for the system that we never got. Pretty much what >>11189567 said but I do remember there being a lot more games on there that were eventually moved to the Xbox.

I also think there would've been a Skies of Arcadia 2 on that system eventually. I remember reading some dev blog saying that Skies of Arcadia 2 was written up on a whiteboard in the studio as a "reminder to do this" thing that was eventually scrapped because by the time they could've begun development on it the 7th gen was rolling around and they just assumed people wouldn't be interesting in a JRPG sequel from 2000.

Also that Castlevania game someone found a iso of a few years back.

>>11189580
I doubt Heroes would've been made had the DC survived, same with Shadow. Those games feel like Sega trying to move away from the Adventure feeling and try something new and out there, whereas if they stuck to the DC then Adventure 3 just would've made sense. I also think if Shenmue 3 were to exist in the hypothetical Yakuza on the Dreamcast probably wouldn't. That'd be an interesting port though, I wonder if it would be possible?

>>11189571
>GTA 3 definitely would have been on DC
It wouldn't have.
>b-but someone is showing proof that it could have!
Yeah but he has an unlimited time to make a port functional (not even close to completion btw) on top of decades worth of knowledge on the ins and outs of the system. Try managing a tight deadline crunch and finding the human resources to get the game out for 2001 or 2002 on top of managing to have proper button layouts for a controller missing a lot of the inputs utilized for GTA3 (secondary analog, R2/L2, analog buttons R3/L2, select were all used). Oh and convincing Rockstar to spend money on said port. It was never happening and they figured that out fast enough thankfully.

>>11189598
>Dreamcast was at 9 million sales in just 2 years on the market (3 if you count the extra year in Japan)
That's because by the 2nd year they were practically giving away the console. The thing wasn't even 2 years old by the time it was reduced to $80 and then to $50. They wouldn't have done this if the console wasn't a giant money sink. The reality is Sega was doomed even before the console came out. They should've left the business after the Saturn, at least then they would've had been in a far better position as a major publisher.
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/game-platforms/sega-announces-new-dreamcast-price-cut-to-79-95
https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/dreamcast-for-50-at-bestbuy.906525/

>>11191881
The existence of LCS and VCS on PSP with the exact same button layout as a Dreamcast (+ a select button) automatically debunks your controller concerns.
>secondary analog
Have you played GTA 3 lately? It just puts you in first-person and lets you look around while standing still; if you can't even move while looking, then you'd get the same functionality by pressing up on the d-pad and moving the singular Dreamcast stick. Oh, I guess it also lets you bounce a vehicle with hydraulics as well, which is like, whatever dude.
>R2/L2
On foot these switch weapons, which could just be mapped to the d-pad. In a vehicle these turn the camera left/right, so you could do the PSP L-modifier solution or move them to X and A
>Analog buttons
These are only used for the accelerator and brake pedals, and luckily the Dreamcast has analog triggers (which pretty much every game with cars mapped the pedals to by 2001)
>L3/R3
Only used for tooting the horn and activating taxi/paramedic/fireman/vigilante missions; these could just go to the d-pad instead. On foot R3 also lets Claude peer over his shoulder, which isn't really an existential part of the game.
>Select
The only thing we're missing out on, but you could just change the camera setting in the pause menu (GameCube ports often did this due to no select button)

Shenmue III

Morrowind(?)

That Nintendo Vs Sega fighting game that was in early development.

That cancelled parenthood sim where you have to raise a kid on a dangerous alien planet. I forget the name.

GTA3

>>11192307
>Morrowind
Absolutely not
>That Nintendo Vs Sega fighting game that was in early development.
News to me, there's nothing on google for this

>>11192376
>Absolutely not

???

Why?

>>11192472
It barely runs on the original Xbox, the Dreamcast would be fucked.

>>11192523
They could optimize it surely.

>>11192534
Yeah just wave the magic optimizing wand and tighten up the graphics on level 3.

>>11189556
maybe just me but I feel the dreamcast would've been more a gamecube competitor if anything.

>>11192534
>bros just have unlimited time to optimize it with l33t haz0rz skillz!!!

>>11192534
The metal isn't made of magic. Most people don't really know what optimisation means

>>11191916
>That's because by the 2nd year they were practically giving away the console

the same thing happened to the gamecube

>>11192307
>That Nintendo Vs Sega fighting game that was in early development.
U wot m8

>>11189580
>JSRF
Wouldn't have happened without the death of the Dreamcast. JSRF was a reboot of the franchise and they wouldn't have rebooted the franchise on the same console the original was on.
>Sonic Heroes
Sonic Team stated that they decided to make Heroes instead of Adventure 3 to make the series appeal to a broader audience than just Dreamcast owners after going multiplat. SA3 would've had a similar plot to Heroes, albeit with a more fleshed out story and possibly with less characters. Shadow probably still would've gotten made though, it was apparently Iizuka's passion project.
>Spartan: Total Warrior
Sega wouldn't have bought CA if they hadn't gone multiplat since Total War is an exclusively PC franchise.

>>11189556
GameCube would have mogged it anyway.

>>11189556
It doesn’t matter.

>>11196964
in the bargain bin

>>11189556
the safest guess would be that most of the sequels to DC games they made on other consoles (i.e. JSRF, HOTD3, crazy taxi 3, sonic heroes, etc.). i could see the OP happening if half-life's DC port got off the ground.

i could see MGS2 or yakuza happen on dreamcast as multi-disc games.

>>11192307
>>11192472
>>11192534
i don't think i could ever really seen a "modern" TES game (as in anything from morrowind onward) on anything weaker than an OG xbox without it being some absurd amount of discs BUT i could see a spinoff title like redguard, battlespire or the travels games.

>muh optimization
bro bethesda can barely optimize their games NOW. case in point the reason why fallout 4 has/had shit framerates in areas is because to make rock, rubble & bushes they'll have a bigger model under the map peaking out rather than make a smaller model for that purpose and starfield is a system hog of a game.

>>11189590
>but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the dreamcast

Except, you know, multiple hardware flaws, bad marketing handling, mostly-arcade game library, lack of big players like EA supporting the system...

I think the fact that GTA (or just any open-world except Shenmue) didn't come out on Dreamcast was an important factor of failure. They were warned that open-worlds are hot shit right now, but they didn't listen and rejected their own chances.

I'm a big Dreamcast fan, but that's the truth. System was partially living on the life support of believing into SEGA brand. One thing you should give them credit for is how they've made themselves a name so big and solid, people still believe in Sega, despite them being idiots for literal AGES.

>>11198595
you'd really think they'd figure out they needed to release games to sell systems after the saturn failed in the west due to not having games. They solved the development pipeline, they just cut off publishers and didn't sign off on any games lol

>>11192472
Too little ram. Morrowind struggled to run on 64mb with rebooting tricks on the xbox.

>>11189556
most of capcom games would have got a dreamcast release.

>>11196964
The gamecube is really just a smash bros melee machine and maybe animal crossing. That's about it

maybe Hum Buggy