/vr/ - Retro Games

These threads certainly don't help you know

>>1117892
I... I-I know... *sniffs*

Space Channel 5 is one of my all time favorites. It's a shame Part 2 didn't get an English release until the PS2 version.

>>1117919
fuck that game, the most hardest fucking game ever.

>>1117926
Really? I thought it was quite easy. I guess you need a decent sense of rhythm to play it.

Why is everyone so underage around here? Holy fuck...was the DC your first console or something?

>>1117931
The level with the douche bag in the competing news channel during the space rush meteor herd, raged hard enough to slam the CD against my desk corner.

>>1117940
gtfo of here you old geezer. They let you use internet at your retirement home?

but no it wasn't.

>>1117902

its for mahjong

http://www.play-asia.com/mahjong-parlor-controller-clear-blue-paOS-13-49-en-70-1eak.html

>>1117943
You didn't even make it to the hardest part. In the last level, there is a bit where they reverse the controls and the music cuts out, making the timing more difficult.

Fuck you. DC is not /vr/. Go back to /v/

Saturn and Genesis are better systems, anyways, regardless of DC's retro status.

>>1117953
it is though

>>1117951

I don't even play that game but if they did that to me on Patapon I think I'd smash my psp.

>>1117957
Saturn has more niche good titles but DC has a lot of good well know games.

>>1117957
>Saturn better than DC
top kek, enjoy your no-gender purple bitch into dreams, faggot.

>>1117954
if you're 16 maybe

>>1117957
>genesis is better
>console that has been around for 8 years has more good games overall than a console that has been around for 2 years

The biggest shame is that all of the external Dreamcast communities have been destroyed. DCEmulation was domain-jacked by some crazy faggot retard, and all of the NesterDC enumeration servers are dead, so you can't easily make a disc image anymore.

>>1117886
>TFW when I had PowerStone 2 and fucking no one to play it with
>Traded it in towards Shadow Man
Shadow Man was pretty neat but fuck.

>>1117970
you fucking idiot, saying Dreamcast on /vr/ notify the mods you fucktard, great job, prepare for thread deletion.

>>1117976
DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST
DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST
DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST

Whatever. This board is an abomination in everything but the concept. Retro doesn't mean classic, it means new in the form of old. Arbitrary generations do not define what is classic. Age does. Choosing the penultimate year of the 20th century is as arbitrary as it gets, because 2001 was the first year of the 21st century. I'd love it if anal-retentive dipshits didn't get a hair up their urethra every time something made after 2000 gets mentioned even in passing, but it's not going to happen since 4chan is now THE COOL PLACE FOR SHUT-IN TEENS WITH NAPOLEON COMPLEXES.

Maybe we need a sub-sub-board. /vrdc/.

>>1117931
Yeah, I sucked at it, a friend who's a musician but has never really played anything came around and dominated at it. shit was crazy.

>>1117963
lel you mad? Go back to sucking sanic's blue cock, you fucking furry autist.

>>1117968
Exactly, the DC failed because it was a piece of shit with NO GOOD GAYMES, unlike any of Sega's other consoles.

>>1117987
>since 4chan is now THE COOL PLACE FOR SHUT-IN TEENS WITH NAPOLEON COMPLEXES.
Oh god, you're right.

>>1117987
>being this butthurt
Every PC an console game launched before 2000 can be posted here except the dreamcast, is that really hard to understand?

>>1117987

Arbitrary generations do not define what is classic. Age does.

No, the allmighty ass of the mod from where he pulled out that rule is. PRAISE HIS NAME!!!
Srsly, I've never had a DC, nor did I play it. But I still think that exception is retarded as hell.

>>1117998
>dreamcast
>no good games

TOP LEL

>>1117987

>Arbitrary generations do not define what is classic. Age does.

No, the allmighty ass of the mod from where he pulled out that rule is. PRAISE HIS NAME!!!
Srsly, I've never had a DC, nor did I play it. But I still think that exception is retarded as hell.

>>1118003
that's not fair at all

there's plenty of shut-in fully grown adults with napoleon complexes here

>>1117940

No, just my favorite.

>>1117998
>DC failed because it was a piece of shit with NO GOOD GAYMES

Then why can most people list popular DC games than popular Saturn games? A lot more people will know games like Crazy Taxi or Jet Set Radio over games like NiGHTS or Dragonforce.

If DC is considered retro then ps2, xbox, and gamecube should be too

>>1118014

>muh slippery slope

The Dreamcast came out before the 1999 cutoff, and it's not even in the same generation as those consoles.

>>1118016
It makes me sad that the DC had such a short lifespan.

I consider the DC my favorite console. But no, the rules are set. So fuck off.

Sage for disu shitto agen.

>>1118016

Apparently 6th. Because as we all know the DC was such a huuuuge competitor against the PS2 and it nearly outdid the Xbox...

>>1118024

>muh arbitrary rules for precisely no reason whatsoever

>>1117886
Every time one of these threads are posted, you lose supporters. The same way feminists lose supporters every time they bitch about MUH PATRIARCHY. The same way transgenders lose supporters every time they start acting condescending and entitled. The same way religious people lose supporters every time they demand exemptions from the law and everyone to pander to them.

/vr/'s topicality is decided by moot, and moot decided the Dreamcast is not retro. The opinion of a user on 4chan is irrelevant. Like I've said a hundred times, take it to moot without repeatedly disregarding very simple rules and claiming it's "unclear" or "has loopholes". This is 4chan, the rules are not pages of legalese written by armchair lawyers who think that a TOS is a legal document.

Me? I fully supported Dreamcast discussion, but because of cancerous fans I've switched to opposition. Honestly, you can say what you want, but I'm the kind of person who wouldn't care if you were an autistic wheelchair-bound blind transgender black jew. If I don't like your bitching, I'm not showing any support.

>>1118039

>because of cancerous fans I've switched to opposition

This is literal autism. I genuinely believe that you should kill yourself.

>>1118015
>>1118015
>muh slippery slope

What?
I legitimately believe it should be that way....

>and it's not even in the same generation as those consoles.

it is though... just because sega jumped the gun and crashed and burned hard doesn't enable you to revise history. genesis came out 2 years or so before snes, does that mean it's not in the same gen either?

People need to read the goddamn sticky already.

Stop ruining this fine board with 6th gen.

>>1118039

>If I don't like your bitching, I'm not showing any support.

Holy shit, what type of narcissistic mouth-breathing fedorafag would ever think that a single other human being would ever care whether you support them on 4chan?

>>1118046

The Genesis competed with the SNES, and they shared many games. The Dreamcast discontinued before the Xbox and Gamecube were even released.

>>1118039

You strike meas the type of person who wears a trench coat.

>>1118056
>The Dreamcast discontinued before the Xbox and Gamecube were even released.
Right, because it failed to perform sales-wise. That sucks I guess but that's just the way it is.

>>1118052
Sorry mate, but I have better taste in hats than you think.

>>1118058
That's funny because dreamcast fans strike me as the type of person that wears a trench coat, and maybe a sonic tee underneath

>>1118059

>because it failed to perform sales-wise

What does that have to do with anything?

>>1118039

How else the DC-supporters should show their voice instead? The thread on /q/ was completely IGNORED.

>>1118064
>What does that have to do with anything?
That it didn't even last long enough to compete with other 6th gen consoles.... do you have reading comprehension problems?

>>1118065
I hear moot has an email address. Regardless, meta does not go on the boards. It's off-topic. It used to go to /q/ but that just turned into the bitching board and was scrapped, so now it's completely against the rules.

>>1118067

FYI: Most Sonic autists first played those games on the Gamecube, not the Dreamcast.

Most Dreamcast fans are just old-school fighting or shmup fans who enjoy some quirky Japanese shit every once and a while.

>>1118068

>That it didn't even last long enough to compete with other 6th gen consoles

So... that makes it a 6th gen console? I'm not following your logic.

>>1118080

Atari 2600 and 5200 would be a better analogy.

Saturn and Dreamcast can share the same generation just as 32X and Genesis platforms did in the fourth.

>>1118072
No, you said
>The Dreamcast discontinued before the Xbox and Gamecube were even released.
And I'm not seeing the relevancy this has to its status as a 6 th gen console, just because it tanked hard doesn't grant it speshul snowflake status...

>>1118080
32x was marketed as a "booster" or sidegrade to the genesis, not an entire different console. You analogy is ass

>>1118091
>sidegrade
First time hearing this term. I like it.

>>1118085

You noted that the Genesis and SNES are considered to be in the same generation despite the Genesis launching two years prior, and thus the fact that the Dreamcast was released before the other 6th generation consoles shouldn't exclude it from being considered 6th gen. I countered by noting that those two situations are not analogous because the Dreamcast did not compete with the 6th gen consoles like the Genesis did with the SNES.

Do you understand now?

>4chan is a privilege not a right

If it isn't current gen, it's outdated, and thus 'retro'. You have no logical counterpoint.

Seganuts pls leave
nobody wants to hear about your shit consoles on /vr/

Make a Dreamcast general on >>>/vg/ if you are so desperate to talk

>>1118102
>the iphone 3 is retro

>>1118104
Bad comparison, the iPhone is an ongoing platform.

>>1118103
This.

This thread fucking sucks.

only autistic little ocd faggots abide by stupid generation because everything has to be neat and tidy. cut off should be even sooner to get rid of these stupid fucking n64 kid jontron fans. Nintenyearolds are a fucking plague

>>1118107
Ok, maybe that was a bad comparison.

>Wii is retro

>>1118117
I believe the Wii is still in production. However, I'd say it will be in a few years. It's basically a matter of what's fallen out of vogue.

Regardless, it's all a non-issue because board rules say no.

OP, if you have a problem with it, try emailing moot and explaining your case.

>>1118103

>>1118109
it sure does but you Nintendo faggots suck even more. I'd rather see a thread on dc than another one where you shitheads circle jerk Zelda.

>>1118123
Oh /vr/, I love the fact I can come here and see morons engaging in console wars for consoles that aren't even in production anymore.

>>1118128
wat? I hate the dc its shit and its only good games are arcade ports. I still think its less annoying than the Nintendo children in here who just say Sega is shit all the time.

>>1118123
Not all Nintendo players are shithead Zelda onanist fagets, just as I'm sure not all you Sega players are euphoric diaper-wearing furries.

I want the Seganuts to disappear, and would be glad to see ninton cunts leave with them.

Seganuts performing Dreamcast anal insertions stop making these threads and pls go

>>1118123
The only consoles i own are sony ones (PS1, 2 and a psp) and an xbox 360, i only play nintendo games in my PC.

It's okay if you want to talk about sega, in fact i'm kinda annoyed by the loads of zelda threads.

Like>>1118103 said, the best solution for us would be creating a DC thread in /vg/, this way no rules are broken.
And don't get me wrong, i'm not sucking mods cock or anything, i'd like to discuss dreamcast and its gaes too, but if no one wants to email moot about this, a thread on /vg/ should be created.

>>1118136
>>1118138
>I really hate people liking different things than me and want them to leave for it.

Fuck off. You'll turn this place into a shithole like /v/ if you keep up with that.

>>1118139

I'm pretty sure e-mails have been written already. Several people said they wrote him. But do we really believe that those will change something? Under all the thousands of mails moot surely gets daily a few /vr/ ones just vanish...

>>1118163
Persistence would be key there.

>>1118157
make a shit thread and it attracts shitposts
let me reiterate the information you need to know

WE DO NOT WANT DREAMCAST TALK
WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DREAMCAST
PLS GO

you guys just won't shut up
nobody is interested in sixth gen talk at this point
make a general on >>>/vg/ and isolate it there
seganuts pls go

>>1118003
We should migrate somewhere else.

>>1118189
yeah let's go to reddit XDDDD

Fuck this thread

>>1117919
Space Channel 5 is awesome. Still haven't played Part 2, but the original was a fucking blast. Possibly my favorite DC game despite its length and competition.

>>1118186
>nobody is interested in sixth gen talk at this point

I am, I am neither OP nor a newfag. Your opinions do not represent the whole of /vr/, you self important idiot.

Anyhow, OP, email Moot. Don't start threads, all you'll do is create a backlash of idiots that will shit up every 6th gen thread even if the rule gets changed.

>>1118186
>see a shit thread
>uncontrollable urge to enter it and start shit
Can't you just ignore the fucking thing?
go back to /v/ if you need to shitpost.

Dreamcast is not retro. Fuck off already.

>>1118209
Okay, all eight of you on this board who wants to talk about Dreamcast, make a general in >>>/vg/

WE DO NOT WANT DREAMCAST TALK
WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DREAMCAST
PLS GO

moot doesn't want DC talk here
we don't want sixth gen talk here
stop posting threads
email moot or make the general or do both
just keep it off this board


seganuts pls go

>>1118228

No. Deal with it.

>>1117957
the Saturn had a lot better games, and a lot more of them, but i had some amazing times with my DC. Jet Set Radio! so good! and i have to admit that I played the shit out of Sonic Adventure

>>1118228

>WE DO NOT WANT DREAMCAST TALK

... I do

Who made you the spokesman of all of us? I cannot remember voting...

>>1118046
If anything, grouping the Dreamcast with Xbox/Gamecube is revisionism. No one ever thought of comparing it to the GCN/Xbox until this whole concept of "video game generations" spread. It was made to compete with the N64 and PS1, shares most of its library with the N64/PS1, and was already dead by the time the GCN/Xbox came out. This shouldn't be interpreted as "hurr durr Sega released their console too early!" but as "the Dreamcast shouldn't be grouped up with the Gamecube and Xbox."

That being said, it's safe to say that the DC not being allowed on /vr/ is set in stone. It's a shame, because really, everything about it is just as retro as the N64/PS1, yet the DC is excluded because "lol wikipedia says so." Best solution would just be to take it to /vg/.

>>1118228
but... I like Dreamcast. and this board is slower and nicer than /v/. there are angry people there

>>1118228
>WE
>WE

That's a funny little problem you have there. You seem incapable of spelling 'I' correctly.

>>1118228
Get rekt faggets!! haha upvoted!

>>1118246
Yeah! Jerk!
There's nine of us now!

>>1118228
>seganuts


It's cute how desperately you're trying to make that a thing.

>>1118253

It's also a sure way to identify that one lonely apparently butthurt (I think a Dreamcast raped him as a child or something...) guy in posts.

>>1118263
Yeah, it would be nice to see a bit of cleverness in his insults. Alternatively, he could just speak in normal English to state his point like an adult.

Power Stone is a great game. I used to call Falcon the Red Power Ranger when he transformed, and Ayane the Pink Ranger. Wang Tang was Goku when he transformed, and the samurai guy was of course Silver Samurai.

And Rouge, oh god, Rouge. Let the good times keep rolling

>>1117957
>Comparing SEGA consoles
The fact of the matter is that SEGA gave us fifteen straight years of uninterrupted awesome and we fucked them. We should be ashamed.

>>1118328

It was interrupted briefly by the 32x. I'm a Sega fanboy and not even I can defend that one. Sure, it's got some good stuff, but not a ton.

>>1118091
>not an entire different console.
Research more before you post. It was a planned new console called Mars to run along-side the Saturn.

>>1117998
Saturn was a clunky piece of shit by comparison and you know it. Most he games were boring, rigidly programmed learning experiences. Dreamcast was the final vision of sega and (if it gad more developers) It would have stuck around for years after it was made.

>>1118328
Sega fucked themselves so hard.

I love sega but it's indisputable at this point. From the 32X, dumbass import decisions and the saturn price point/release they really did not do well by themselves

>>1118338
You got me there. The 32x actually turned me off of gaming completely for a couple years until Playstation came out and made me a believer again - but I got a Saturn too. I've said this many other times but if SEGA had just never done the 32x and instead put that budget into making the Saturn 100% backwards compatible with Genesis and SEGA CD games I think they'd still be with us today.

>>1118343
>Mars
I think you mean Neptune lol. It was only briefly considered as a whole console. If they absolutely had to bring it out they should have just turned it into a chip that would be inside special enhanced Genesis games.

>>1118039
IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY ON THE SHMUPS SYSTEM11 BOARD!

>>1118016
is that us release dates only? because it got releeased in 98 in japan

>>1118367

Yes.

>>1118016
Sega called it 6th gen
Deal with it.

>>1118021
all that picture tells me is we can talk great games without needing dreamcast to be retro.

>>1118023
I'm in the middle, that fans both in irl and here on 4chan are by majority awful and insufferable. A longer life might have made more of these jackasses and that's enough to make me fine it lived short. Nevermind that we got better and better tech in hardware just years after it's release.

>>1118374

What if we want to talk about the Dreamcast versions?

There are two other video game boards on 4chan where this is not a controversial or taboo topic of discussion; I do not understand why Dreamcast fans have to act like they're Nelson Mandela. It's not even that good of a console in the first place

>>1118380
Not that anon but technically you can. There's nothing that stops that. At worst you would just point out you like the DC port the best. It's done countless times here with no issue. Some anons will talk about Arcade DC ports with that approach as well. There's only about 10 games that technically can't be talk about here. However two of them (Shenmue and SoA) are talk about frequently and without shitposting on /v/.

>>1118392

So why not just go all-in and let us discuss those other 10 games? Doesn't all of this sound a bit silly?

>>1118386
That's what I find so funny about all this: If they allowed it, it would die rather quickly because most DC threads are just people listing the same games and talking about them and then it dies off for months. It's almost like the mods know banning it keeps conversations about it going longer because it's not allowed so it pisses dumbasses enough to keep posting it.

>>1118396
Again, you can. Don't start a thread on it but I have seen most DC games be brought up in threads without reproach.
In all reality you just can't talk about the hardware stuff.

>>1118386
>It's not even that good of a console in the first place

I kind of agree. It wasn't terrible, but even when it was new it never really blew me away. I don't know why the DC has these people who act like it was God's gift to gaming. I own one myself, but I'm not going to pretend it's the greatest shit ever.

>>1118396
>Doesn't all of this sound a bit silly?
Yes, there is no reason to talk about most of them. Hell that pic( >>1118021 ) is only 4 short of just a mess of bad games.

>>1118413
I love the games it had on it and it had a good amount of charm. But I agree, it's just like the Sega Saturn and it's just an odd ball of tech. It's got some strong suits with some very weak points. I'm more lost why there is this passion to talk about it because, well, there isn't much to talk about, hell this thread is mostly people arguing it should be allowed with next to know conversation about the games and systems themselves.

Can't we just do a vote like civilized people... maybe even try and make it a sticky?

>>1118016
What I find really funny about this picture they made is that it shows the DC was a 6th gen console that just happened to fail before the rest of the competition showed up. They expect people to believe the DC was a 5th gen console that was released at the end of the other 5th gen console's lifespans?

>>1118065
It had a moderator reply, which is more than most threads on /q/ got. I know, since I took a screencap, here it is.

>>1118431
It would be the wanting clarification fiasco all over again. More than likely the vote would keep DC out thanks to a mix of trolls and people just sick of the DC elitism. And those elite fans would shit the bed again and pull things like this thread because they will never be happy no matter how many ways you spell it out they are not welcome.

>>1118431
I imagine trying to do anything democratically on 4chan would be a disaster.

>>1118434
>They expect people to believe the DC was a 5th gen console that was released at the end of the other 5th gen console's lifespans?
What's great is they ignore SEGA themselves branded the Dreamcast as 6th generation.

>>1118436
>I imagine trying to do anything on 4chan is a disaster.

Let's get this straight.

>>1118434
I agree with the mod's sentiments. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and wherever it is, people will bitch about it.
>What, they can talk about Dreamcast but we can't talk about PS2/Gamecube/X-Box?
>What, they can talk about PS2/Gamecube/X-Box but we can't talk about PS3/Wii/360?

And bam, just like that, /vr/ is /v/.

>>1118436
No it would work but whatever the out come would lead to a lot of crybabies.
>>1118440
Yeah and the DC elitist then cry that we shouldn't accept that answer because generation lines are just marketing tools. Yet as pointed out by >>1118434 it still makes no damn sense to call hardware that came out at the end of all the other hardware life times is the same generation.

It's just a bunch of babies wanting there bottle.

>>1118434

>Comparing the Dreamcast to the PS2 and Gamecube

Really? Is dis nigga serious?

>>1118440
And they also claim that the console generations concept didn't come around until later, and the DC had "history rewritten", which is funny as shit since I remember fifth gen being the point when everyone started referring to generations of consoles and next gen and previous gen.

>>1118434
What defines a generation a console is in, though? It was dead before the Xbox and Gamecube showed up, had a library much closer to other contemporary platforms, and was intended to compete with the PS1 and N64 since the Saturn couldn't do it.

>>1118440
[citation needed]

>>1118447
People are comparing the Dreamcast to PS1, it's just as stupid. The DC was a powerhouse in tech by comparison and didn't use standard CDs but something larger, yet here we are watching people cry it should count because NHL 2001 and Tony Hawk 2 was on both of them.
This whole thread is the serious nigger

>>1118443
I tried to argue this point to one of the people on /q/ that was pushing so hard for the DC. His response was that the 1999 rule was a line in the sand that could not be crossed. He didn't seem to recognize the hypocrisy of demanding one rule to be struck down but the other to hold solid just because it got him what he wanted, everyone else be damned.

>>1118450
It was intended to compete with the next gen otherwise why call it quits when the PS2 out sold them, they were still selling better than the PS1 and N64. By your logic there would have been no reason to can it. They werejust trying to pull what the Genesis, Saturn, 360 and WiiU did and just get there product out first and ride the sales before the big turn over in system hardware.
>>1118451
/thread

Why don't you DCfags just make a SEGA general and then discuss DC there? It would technically be allowed since SEGA is a super old, retro company and DC would fall under the umbrella subject of "SEGA".

>>1118451
>>1118447
>>1118443
It really blows my mind that these fans don't see that. Are you guys just that blinded by desperation to have that one thread made about Sonic Adventure?

>>1118460
It's been done, they link here, pretty much what >>1118397 posted happen every time where it starts off with people just listing games and then all conversation stops and it just 404s

>>1118443
you realize the slippery slope fallacy is, as the name implies, a fallacy, and therefore you are not making and supporting an argument, but rather boldly pretending that you are?

>>1118450
>was intended to compete with the PS1 and N64
[citation needed]

Saturn was intended to compete with the PS1 and N64, came out around the same time. It failed after what, three years? Still a fifth gen console. DC was the comeback console, and just because it failed to compete with the PS2 and SEGA was in such bad financial trouble it couldn't fight back doesn't make it fifth generation.

>>1118451
Don't forget that it used a Arcade processor, Windows software, and had a built in modem, again, things that were a big milestone in gaming hardware.

>>1118468
See
>>1118451

we don't need to make an argument, we are watching it happen.

>>1118465
>every time a Sega general thread is started, it just lingers around and dies eventually

Oh, kind of like Sega itself?

>>1118468
You are implying slippery slope situations never happen. If you have EVER been in a position of leadership like the mods or moot are, you would already know this. Go ask your manager if you have a job, they will tell you all about these situations.

>>1118468
Do you not see what's happening. People are wanting a 128 bit systems with a GDRom drive to be allowed in with tech that's highest is a 64bit cart, with the next highest being a 32bit CD Rom system based solely on the fact that they both had games out around the same time.

ITT: No one has taken Logic 101.

>If we let people discuss 5th gen consoles, eventually people will want to discuss 6th gen consoles!

n64 should go to, if we got rid of that half the shitposter jontron kids would go too :D

>>1118482
If you mean the 'DC is retro' crowd you're right. It's been clarified several times it's not and yet here we are.

I still have yet to hear an anti-Dreamcastfag clarify which "generation" the Atari 2600, 5200, and 7800 fall into.

>>1118486

>It's been clarified several times

What you mean to say is that it has been stated several times. Precisely no justification has been given.

>>1118484
Dreamcast is 6th gen. And that's exactly what it would bring with it. I really wish the mods would just drop the cut off to 97 to shut it all up, but I know it wouldn't fix anything because then you would all be crying that the date should be bump up and let the Dreamcast in.

>>1118493
>Dreamcast is 6th gen.

You can keep saying it, but it doesn't make it true.

>>1118491
see >>1118434
It's been given, you just don't like it, you are being a big baby faggot and crying over something that can't last a week on /vr/

>>1118496

The mod's justification rests solely on the slippery slope fallacy.

>>1118489
Atari 2600 is 2nd generation.
Atari 5200 is also 2nd generation.
Atari 7800 is 3rd generation.

Anything else I can help you with? Unfortunately I'm not a genie, so I can't give you what you really want - a dreamcast game actually worth playing

>>1118495
http://www.sixthgengaming.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28sixth_generation%29
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Sixth_generation_of_video_games
http://segaretro.org/Generations_of_video_games#Sixth_generation

>>1118497
What's your point?

>>1118502

>look at all these other people who say it's 6th gen!

I want justification, not assertion.

>>1118503
Anon has no point he's just one of those faggots that keeps crying for DC to be allowed under any reason necessary.

>>1118503

That you shouldn't base a rule off of faulty logic?

>>1118497
see >>1118451
the ruling is just.

>tfw you didn't stand up and ask moot about the DC at the panel

>>1117987
>since 4chan is now THE COOL PLACE FOR SHUT-IN TEENS WITH NAPOLEON COMPLEXES.

Since when wasn't it?

>>1118505
That is the justification. It might be based off a "assertion" but there you have it. You can split hairs till the debate is bald but it stands to point that Dreamcast is viewed as 6th generation. You wouldn't even be arguing otherwise if you weren't so desperate for /vr/ to accept it as one of there own.

I'm sure there are lots of other examples of console manufacturers releasing sequels to their first party games on their competitor's consoles within the same generation, right? R-right?

>>1118515

>That is the justification.

Let me illustrate the issue here.

A: I believe the Dreamcast is a 6th generation console.
B: I believe it is 5th generation, for the following reasons.
A: I still believe it is 6th generation.
B: For what reasons?
A: Because it is 6th generation.

DC is 6th gen!

>evidence continues to mount that it isn't

NO IT'S 6TH GEN BECAUSE I SAY SO

>>1118518
Nobody cares what you believe or don't believe. The only person whose opinion matters on this issue is moot. Disagree or not, them's the breaks.

>>1118521

If that's your argument, then you've already made it, and you're free to leave this thread.

>>1118521

Has moot even fucking clarified?

>>1118518
It has a 128 bit possessor, that's twice as powerful as the N64, and both the PS2 and GC were 128 bit as well.
It uses a GD rom disk, it holds nearly 4 times the amount of data a CDRom could hold
It has a built in modem
It used an Arcade possessor
the games it ran were superior to 5th gen tech in everyday.
It was released on the twilight years of the 5th gen system Hardware.

It was a 6th gen console.
Get over it.

>>1118528

It was created to compete with 5th gen consoles
It shares more multiplats with 5th gen consoles
It was released far before the 6th gen system hardware
Generations aren't defined by power (Or are you one of those fags who thinks Wii U isn't 8th gen?)

It's a 5th gen console.
Deal with it.

>>1118527
see >>1118434

If it wasn't moot directly, it was someone with the authority to make that decision.

>>1118528

I thought "generation" was defined by release?

>It was released on the twilight years of the 5th gen system Hardware.
>It was released on 5th gen
>It was 5th gen

>>1118516

The DC is an anomaly.

If I had to decide on a somewhat arbitrary generation for it, it would be gen "5.5".

That's still after 5 though, so it's not allowed, as much as I would like it.

>>1118518
>A: I believe the Dreamcast is a 6th generation console.
>B: I believe it is 5th generation, for the following reasons.
A: I still believe it is 6th generation.
>B: For what reasons?
>A: It had a 128 bit possessor like all other 6th gen tech as well as a modem like two of the 3 other 6th gen techs had at the start. It also used a disk format greater than what the other software used at the time.
>B:naw it's 5th gen cuz I say so

This is the argument in this whole thread so far.

>>1118534

moot mentioned the 5th and 6th gen thing at the panel last weekend.

That's why I didn't bother with the question. He's thought about it, but I don't think he's come up with a cut and dry answer.

Whatever. Can we talk about some Atari now?

>>1118527
it's his imageboard; you're an anonymous guest here, not a majority shareholder of "4chan stock". It's hilarious that you think your opinion matters or that he owes you some kind of explanation.

The internet is not, and never was a democracy.

>>1118537

>cuz I say so

>>1118016
>>1118021
>>1118482
>>1118484
>>1118516

>>1118503

The point is that this entire thread of conversation started from a picture of logical fallacies. Then you said that HURR THE OTHER SIDE MAYBE and chuckled to yourself like a shitlord. When the argument you tried to use to back up the idea that justification had been given, the opposition pointed out that the justification was the result of one of the fallacies in the very image that started the thread of conversation

I shouldn't have to fucking explain this to you

>>1118540

If that's how you feel, then why are you here in this thread? Do you feel a need to personally defend moot and his website? Or do you perhaps think that we should care about your personal opinion?

>>1118532
>It was created to compete with 5th gen consoles
[citation needed]
>It shares more multiplats with 5th gen consoles
Yes and no. About 1/4th of it's library was multiplats with older gen stuff. The rest was it's own till the PS2 showed up because the 6th gen systems could run those games
>It was released far before the 6th gen system hardware
just over one year. It was 2000 when the PS2 hit japan.

Generations are defined by release time. The Dreamcast came out nearly 4 years after the last 5th gen hardware.
It's not 5th gen bro.

>>1118542

Sure, let's have a 2nd gen thread!

OH SHIT IS THE 5200 2ND GEN LET'S BITCH ABOUT IT FOR SIX MONTHS

>>1118549

>Generations are defined by release time.

So in order for the Dreamcast to be 6th gen, the 6th generation must have started in 1998? Damn, the N64 was only two years old by that point!

>>1118540

Haha nigga what

What does this have to do with my post

>>1118547
I'm here because I'm a vampire who can only be sustained by the tears of aspies who gotta go fast.

Now that I'm sated, I'll move on.

>>1118550
>LET'S BITCH ABOUT IT

Isn't that the normal response to the 5200?

>>1118532
>cherry picking this hard

You have to be shitposting.

>>1118549

Dreamcast was released during the lifespan of the 5th gen and died before two of the 6th gen consoles were released.

>>1118553
technically it was 4, 3 if you were in the states and 2 if you were Europe.

>>1118561

No u.

Hey /vr/ros!

Want to talk about the DC on /vr/?

Write moot a polite email! Or better yet, make an online petition!

Every shitty thread like this brings our Kirby threads and BSTs one step closer to death

>>1118563
Saturn, Jaguar, 3DO and many others died similar deaths yet we are not sitting here arguing where they should fall the generation gap, we accept there place. The only reason you are this work up is because for whatever reason you think things will be better just because DC is allowed on /vr/

>>1118515
>>1118502

So if it is important what other people simply see a console as lemme give you a counter example about defining "retro": Not too long ago we had a thread here about a guy who took photos of a big retro store in Japan. It even said the explicite word レトロ over the entrance. That shop had Dreamcast-stuff. lots of consoles, controllers etc. Apparently the japanese see the DC as "retro", the shop seems to have recieved no complains.

>>1118414
>There is no reason to talk about most of them.

Ok, let me just point something out here, and it's gonna be a little crazy: you're on a board to talk about old video games. Dated technology that has largely had every single facet of its existence explored. Technology that does not serve any meaningful role in effectively improving the quality of life for human beings or solving any problems currently faced by humanity. It is the very definition of pointless, non-constructive pursuit. It is a prime example of something that you can only do in a first world nation that has the excess resources required to allow this degree of frivolity and leisure.

There is literally no valid reason to be doing anything that is done on this board. Certainly no reason that puts anything above anything else.

>>1118573

Look man, if the damned thing is old enough to be all yellow and shit from age and exposure, it's retro IMO.

Only what moot has to say is relevant to /vr/, so yeah.

>>1118573
I work at a store with retro in it's name and it's our big push of what we sell. We have GC and Xbox as well as PS2 stuff in there, Hell we have a large selection of current gen games and hardware.
Maybe game stores just sell what people want regardless of what your main theme is.

>>1118576

Err... Atari actively made software for both systems at the same time.

Sega ditched the Saturn as soon as the DC came out.

>>1118581

>quick, scramble for some loophole to get out of it!

>>1118579
>Look man, if the damned thing is old enough to be all yellow and shit from age and exposure
There are 360's and white PS2s like that anon. It takes very little time for things to go yellow.

I think the ultimate proof that none of the mods give a fuck about the dreamcast is that the janitors don't even bother to scrub these threads anymore. Let them yap, they're not hurting anybody but themselves.

>>1118576
But those two were sold at the same time. Sega was already done with the Saturn when they uped to the DC.
And like that one Anon said why they give up after the PS2 launch if there goal was to beat out the 5th gen software?
Face it bro, it's 6th gen.

>>1118587
What I love is nobody is talking about the DC. It's just a long argument as to why it should be counted.
People have had rule breaking conversations about GBA here that actually went places rather than argue why it should count for the board.

>>1118576
There is no way you are serious now

>>1118590

>why they give up after the PS2 launch if there goal was to beat out the 5th gen software?

...what? They gave up because the Dreamcast wasn't selling enough to make up for Sega's past failures.

>>1118576
The 5200 was based on Atari 's existing 800 computers and the internal hardware was almost identical to the 2600, they just didn't play the same games.
Also the 5200 was more like the Gameboy SP to the Gameboy Advance.

>>1118595
Actually it was. Read up on it. The DC was making mad money, just not enough to match PS2 numbers, now why would they care about those numbers?

>>1118597

>the 5200 was more like the Gameboy SP to the Gameboy Advance.

>they just didn't play the same games

>>1117886

>>1118576
You just showed me you know nothing about what you are arguing about.

>>1118591

In all seriousness I think that is why the thread is still up.
As soon this thread would go into a real DC hardware discussion I'm sure it would be gone becuz rules. Apparently even meta-threads are better than DC threads.

>>1118601
Neither did the market back then, you were just buying a fancier 2600. There was nothing better nor special about it other than the controller layout.

>>1118598

>Read up on it.

Clearly, you haven't. Do you think Sega would just throw in the towel and completely discontinue a product that they spent years developing because they were embarrased they were being outsold? They quit because they weren't making enough money to dig them out of their hole.

>>1118607
>Do you think Sega would just throw in the towel and completely discontinue a product that they spent years developing because they were embarrased they were being outsold?
Welcome to Sega of Japan.
Or really any Japaneses company. See Capcom and Mega man

>>1118610

Except for it came out years later and had exclusive games.

>>1118605
Nah it's normally like this on Friday evenings /vr/ that's when the GBA threads happen(and Sunday evening as well). Thread will probably be 404'd by mid morning
You pretty much blew a great time to just talk about Dreamcast games.

>>1118616
Yeah but it was still 2600 hardware. People modded both systems cart ports to play the other. You are pretty much comparing two systems with the same hardware to two systems with radically different hardware

>>1118618

I highly doubt that from 20:00 to 2:00 this thread has been up not one single mod has been looked at /vr/

>>1118621
You be surprised anon.

so, we came here because this is where we should talk about retro games. and lo and behold we loved it here. is it because of the retro games? nope. it's because the people who posted here. (my opinion, but i feel it to be true. i love you guys)

so we got dreamcast friends who want to talk about their beloved non retro console with people who they believe could enjoy it too. together.

if anything, talking about offtopic things is a sign of adoration, to talk about things with fine people who happened to be /vr/ regulars...

make this thread disappear? fine. keep this thread? fine too. just don't argue with one another please.

>>1118636
You do realize that line of thinking is what ruined /v/, right?

>>1118639
Really? I thought it had more to do with /v/ being a complete shithole of constant fighting and memery.

Also, this isn't an 'offtopic item' like dragonporn. It's a definition of 'retro' that isn't completely skull-fucking, smash your head into a nail on the coffee table, retarded, as opposed to the one used on the board currently.

>>1118584

I have yet to see one that has yellowed, aside from those owned by heavy smokers.

>>1118639
no i don't...
seriously, i don't...

well maybe because all the fine thread here that made me believe it is going to be different...

>>1118642
>implying this thread isn't a complete shithole

>>1118657
implying it has to be that way

>>1117886
did you try /v/?

here's my take. i have weak fingers.
i liked nes, genesis, and snes gamepads
i hated the dualshocks. i hate xbox gamepads even more. can't play for a long time on those.

dreamcast was not so good at first. but then i removed the puru pack and then it feels much lighter and comfy. one trigger/shoulder means i could go six fingers hold instead of four. strange enough, i can't seem to find that kind of lightweight gamepads that i love nowadays...

>>1118686
Several people asked him to talk about it, OP is either a troll or has absolutely nothing interesting to say about the Dreamcast or its games, other than it definitely belongs on this particular board

I know this thread is probably going to get deleted pretty soon, but i figured I would ask here anyways.

I really loved Skies of Arcadia (probably my favorite JRPG) but i dont have a dreamcast or gamecube anymore to replay it. Is there anything vr that would scratch that itch? (psx games preferable)
I liked the huge world and being able to collect a bunch of guys to come be apart of my ship.

>>1118872
You can always use demul
It's not ideal but it works kinda

>>1118879
I'm also on a mac so DC emulation is kinda out... although I do have a PSP

>>1118893
You can always try to emulate the Gamecube version with Dolphin then, if your mac is powerful enough.

Really, the hole generation thing is very arbitary, and I don't think it's a good way to decide which consoles are retro and which are not.

Yes, Dreamcast was a 6th gen console, as it was released after Saturn, Sega's 5th gen system. However, it preceeded the other 6th gen conoles by a few years, and never really competed with them (as it was already dead by the time). Instead it was clearly Sega's answer to PS and N64, having similar capabilities and sharing much of its game library with them. As such, it is more similar to 5th gen consoles than other 6th gen ones.

We should just make the rule into "console released before 2000=retro, console released after 2000=not retro". None of this generation crap. I don't own a DC, nor do I really care much about it (it had some good games, but I'm more of a Nintendo and Sony player), but it seems weird to not include a console that was released before 2000 and had many games that we can discuss if we only talk about the versions released on other consoles at the same time. Currently DC is stuck in a limbo, being too old to really be discussed on /v/, but unable to be discussed on /vr/ cause Sega released the Saturn which took the 5th gen spot.