/vr/ - Retro Games

>>11170153
Original (uncensored), always but especially when it's a game as important as this one

>>11170153
It's still a great game on 3DS but the only noteworthy improvements are framerate and making the water temple more fun. Not worth the shortfalls of tone, stick controls, a normal aspect ratio without gimmicks, etc.

>Ship of Harkinian its fundamentally flawed
no

>>11170170
original looks like ass with the vaseline smear original hardware

>>11170181
left looks infinitely better and no one forces you to play on og hardware

3DS version is fine but yeah visuals got handheld-fied and it breaks some fun things

>>11170187

>>11170189

>>11170170
>"""uncensored"""
Is this the new nonsensical go-to argument after the soullessness angle became too embarrassing even for the anti-remake crowd's rhetorical standards?

all i want is the original dungeons and master quest enemies but they are too dumb to do that

>>11170191
Nooo not the original artistic vision

>>11170196
Somehow there's also people dumb enough to consider a deal breaker when they get exactly that extra content, "but" also merely cosmetic changes and objective usability improvements.

For OoT you do want to play the original, its an extremely refined classic that you'd want to play in a form close enough to how it was released. Ideally in a version with the original blood effects, Muslim iconography and music intact.

I wouldn't be opposed to playing the remake in principle, but it really does fuck up enough things that it's not worthwhile. There are so many significant detailed changed that people barely even talk about that it's absolutely safer to play something based on the N64 versions. The remake has much better textures and environmental details in places like Kokiri Forest, but it's not at all consistently good about this and does too much to make the game easier.

>>11170180
People would respect the project far more if they sucked it up and just flat out admitted the problems it has and what they're doing to make it better instead of passively aggressively refusing to be blunt about shit. People have rightly stopped being wowed by it given how ridiculously long its taken to implement basic features that would make it worth using over other versions, they can't rest on just goodwill indefinitely. It's sad its so mismanaged, because it could and should so easily be the most advanced way to experience OoT, but N64 ROMs still have absolutely severe advantages over it.

>>11170193
I assume he means an uncensored *version* of the N64 original game, i.e. there were multiple released versions of the 64 game itself, so some ROMs have censorship.

>>11170153
If you are in possession of the emotional tools to tolerate the objectively bad and soulless updated visual style, either version is perfectly fine.

The zoomerproofing and hand-holding features added to the 3DS version are entirely optional too (unlike in the atrocious Majora's Mask remake), and the mechanical additions like gyroscope-based aiming are pretty fun imo; plus, you get the mirrored Master Quest, which is an interesting way to freshen up the experience if you're familiar with the original.

>>11170204
>There are so many significant detailed changed that people barely even talk about
Could you talk about them now?

>>11170212
>(unlike in the atrocious Majora's Mask remake)
Filtered. The 3DS version of MM wants to to actually talk to the characters to find things out, an element which was handled incredibly poorly in the original where you usually have little reason to talk to so many of the characters outside of their designated events.

>>11170215
One of the big ones is the hookshot. It's changed to have a 'context sensitive' sight, which tells you if you can latch on to a given surface, like how it works in games like TP. It really trivializes things though 'QoL' like this, and if you didn't know any better you' assume that's how the original game worked.

>>11170224
what else?

>>11170193
I'm just letting you know it's censored since 1.2 and doubly so in the remaster. I could go on about how it trashed the directing of some cutscenes or got details wrong like adult Ruto still having her side eyes but it should be obvious that if you're a purist and you like retro games you play the OG

You could try mods made by some autists but that's on you

>>11170187
>>11170189
>CRT filter
opinion automatically disregarded.

>>11170191
still probably safer to drink than our water today

>>11170229
>webm
That's not an example of censorship. What do you think was censored?

>>11170212
>objectively bad
>about something subjective like art direction
Opinion disregarded

>>11170229
>no more pauses
good. i dont need 30 seconds to understand that he's laughing in a sinister way

>>11170240
This.
Books don't have to add sinister pauses while you're reading them. Why should a game?
I think it's an improvement to make it take less time.

>>11170236
Blood and religious symbols and probably some other minor things, as everyone who isn't underage knows
>>11170240
There aren't many dialogues in OoT so the dialogue speed being in accord with how the character and even most NPCs would talk is actually pretty neat if you don't have ADHD

>>11170250
>as everyone who isn't underage knows
I played the game when it was new, no need to get defensive. Show some examples.

>>11170176
>switching the boots on and off basically flying through the dungeon
made me realize how amazing that level design really was

>>11170219
>MM wants to to actually talk to the characters to find things out
I'm comfortable with being proven wrong, but you may have to explain that one a little beyond simply implying an improvement.

Anyway, I'm not sure how "filtered" preferring a version of the game that doesn't explicitly states the literal place and time to be to solve any given sidequest makes me. Not to mention preferring the time loop gimmick to actually have a real meaning and weight in the overall experience.

>>11170260
>Not to mention preferring the time loop gimmick to actually have a real meaning and weight in the overall experience.
Explain what you mean plz

After having played Ocarina of time for N64 several times (N64, Project 64 and the Gamecube emulator), I wish they would port the 3ds versions to Switch.

Majora's Mask 3d is the one I really want to play. Right stick camera control feels great.

>>11170250
In the delicate scenario inside your head, considering a random real world symbol unrelated to the series' wordlbuilding and red blood instead of green in literally one cutscene structurally integral to the game on a creative level makes you the "adult", got it.

>>11170260
>that doesn't explicitly states the literal place
That's fair, giving the place info was too much and the remake shouldn't have done that, but the original gave you all the even times for a given character unconditionally in the first place, so complain about that if you want less handholding.

>>11170264
Nta but In 3DS MM you can save (and load) normally like you do in OoT. You have a fully functional safety net to beat the core dungeons through little progress increments and do-overs, making the time loop a mild annoyance at most rather than the central constraint the game was originally designed around, directly tied to the concept and story.

>>11170253
Blood in the well/Shadow Temple and on enemies was almost entirely removed, rooms aren't nearly as dark and atmospheric, textures and geometry leave less to your imagination, Ganondorf's blood is green instead of red, religious symbols and the chanting that makes the fire dungeon genuinely creepy was removed, other "offensive" things like the swastika as well and more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZGnJF1R0WU
>>11170268
Censorship is bad, OoT isn't a random game and places that are supposed to be creepy should be creepy. The balancing act between hunky dory and actual horror is a part of what makes the game so good

>>11170281
Well yeah, that's the sort of compromise you need to make for handheld consoles. You don't want your battery to die before your next save.

>>11170284
>textures and geometry leave less to your imagination
You're literally complaining that the graphics improved lol
N64 fanboys are crazy

>>11170289
The issue with a portable system is the length of a play session, not the time investment overall. The original's one-time save feature (which preserves the central concept) invalidates that concern as an argument for removing save limitations, specially as the 3DS, as a more powerful system, could have implemented a one-time save ANYWHERE feature rather than limiting it to the owl statues.

>>11170153
Its funny how zoomfucks are acutely aware of the issues with ship of harkinian and the minutiae surrounding emulation faults but have never even played OoT and have to ask about what versions are good. Gaming discourse on the internet is so fucking bad now.

>>11170274
>if you want less handholding
But it still IS less handholding, what are you talking about?

>>11170294
Yes, technical fidelity isn't everything, there are still many things you can fuck up (like the radioactive colors in the 3DS game) and graphics leaving less and less to our imagination sucks

>>>/v/

>>11170304
Okay, but post a real example.
Show us what the dark area looks like in 3DS.

>>11170204
/thread

>>11170304
modded looks worse too

>>11170305
It's a handheld game, they have to make everything bright af so the kids see shit outside.

>>11170319
Right looks a lot better, much more appealing colours.

>>11170294
No, the specific way OoT uses lighting and darkness in the original is incredibly important to the game's atmosphere. It's very deliberately made with a certain level of brightness in mind to work, and when its set up properly, and viewed on a monitor that can actually display black levels properly, the result is incredibly immersive and specifically avoids the feeling that you are looking at blocky 'game geometry'. The game's visuals are finely balanced.

>>11170321
Idk if you ever play anything besides Kingdom Hearts but not every game and place is supposed to look inviting, bright and glamorous

When anti-Zelda-kun needs three threads and he makes them so hastily and indiscriminately he somehow forgets the actual bash in the OP you know he's dealing with a double dose of Money blues

>>11170153
I liked both, but definitely play the original N64 release first. If you don't have an actual console, use an emulator like Simple64. Don't fall for the Ship of Harkinian meme.

>>11170224
Explain how it trivialized it. As far I can tell the only thing it does is spare you from blindly shooting at random surfaces. But really you could argue the game's textures do that already because of the big obvious hookshot points in the world and vines.

>>11170340
Never played Kingdom Hearts, did play OoT at launch tho.
Right looks better.

>>11170338
>specifically avoids the feeling that you are looking at blocky 'game geometry'
One of the main mechanics of this game is pushing video game blocks.

>>11170319
For some reason, the one on the right reminds me of some of the Yusuke Nakano artwork from the original game, so while I understand the argument that it's missing the dark atmosphere, I actually do like the right better in this case.
I felt like Ocarina of Time 3D, on the actual 3DS screen, looked quite nice most of the time. There were some moments that were done disappointingly, such as the final boss being so bright, but overall I liked most of the visual changes. I also played the original close to launch back in the day.

>>11170153
n64

>>11170421
>There were some moments that were done disappointingly
N64 version was never disappointing so youre really selling your case here

>>11170440
>N64 version was never disappointing
frame rate.

>>11170442
>frame rate
literally doesnt matter. Became the greatest game of all time with 20 fps and noone cared

Ship of Harkinian is excellent for replays but if its your first time Id go for N64.

Idk why everyone on here acts like SoH is dogshit, something something Dark Link AI something something Credits timing, I'll take the customization I get from it over a couple pretty insignificant issues. Playing the game at 120fps, 2x damage, no random item drops, dpad equips, a dog buddy, and other cool options is easily the definitive way to play for me.

Real shame their Majora port doesn't have literally any of this and they got BTFO by the recomp.

>>11170447
i prefer the 3ds version with the n64 font mod, but hes got a point

>>11170447
>literally doesnt matter
Yeah it does. The game would be better if it ran at a higher frame rate. Why do you think it wouldn't?

>>11170459
>Yeah it does
go back to 1998 or even the 2000s and tell someone this.
>uuuuuuuuuuooo actually the frame rate needs to be 33% faster or this game is doa slop

>>11170460
You didn't answer my question.
Why do you think the game wouldn't be improved with a higher frame rate?

>>11170467
im not here to answer your irrelevant questions im here to tell you the frame rate being higher doesnt matter.

>>11170472
>He thinks the game would be just as good with a worse frame rate.
Explain why you think that.

>>11170474
I didnt say that, I said the frame rate being higher doesnt matter

>>11170187
>you will never climb up to that window and look what malon is doing at night
living in oot hyrule would be a dream. one of the best game worlds

>>11170480
Nah, you said
>>11170447
>frame rate
>"literally doesnt matter"
If it "literally doesn't matter" then it would be just as good of a game if it ran at 1FPS. correct?
Or are you admitting that the frame rate, does infact matter?

>>11170489
im done replying to you after this post so dont bother. Conversations have context and the context of my REPLY (the response to a message(thats what reply means)) was some 3ds faggot said the N64 version of Ocarina of Time had disappointing frame rate. I replied and said N64 OoT having 20 fps "literally didnt matter". Youre trying to take shit out of context and argue with something you made up in your head.

>>11170489
>then it would be just as good of a game if it ran at 1FPS
I dont know why im even replying to you anyway when you think the FPS doesnt matter. I think 20 fps is fine but you think 1fps is fine. How embarrassing.

>>11170495
You literally "Frame rate doesn't matter".
If you didn't mean that, why did you say it?
It's not my fault you're bad at communicating what you actually mean, but I accept your concession that yes, frame rate does matter.

>>11170502
*you literally said "frame rate doesn't matter"
excuse my error.

>>11170487
Underrated thought. Very few games have a world you'd actually like to live in almost the exact way depicted in the game and not a totally idealized version. WW for example is too hard to imagine because of the art and the islands are too small

>>11170495
The average iq of the OoT fanboy lol

>>11170520
>saying this in an OoT thread
You can't have the highest IQ either if this is your life

>>11170531
At least I have a higher IQ than that other anon. He doesn't know what words mean.

>>11170170
I played the 64 version the Christmas season it was released. As an adult I got my kids the 3ds version. The 3ds version is better. Anyone who pretends this isn't the case is a tryhard faggot pretending to be part of the scene.

>>11170495
>Is wrong
>"i-i-im done replying to you!!!"
you love to see it

>>11170531
at laest he stopped pretending to like zelda, 2 hours ago (yes he's at it for this long) he still said n64 fanboys >>11170294
most mentally ill person on 4chan

>>11170554
>at laest he stopped pretending to like zelda
Where?

>>11170153
>pal version

euro faggot lmao, enjoy the shittiest version of everything forever, also have fun with the billions of mudslimes in your future

>>11170153
They basically whitewashed the entire land's dark history wherever possible and especially what the royal family did. On the other hand you would never notice that or other things like the heretical blasphemies (in-universe) since the naked figures on some of these blocks are smeared too much to be seen.

>>11170191
I FUCKING LOVE ECTO COOLER!!!!!

>>11170153
SOVL vs SOVLess

>>11170240
>>11170246
Retarded faggots.

>>11170153
Original. With remakes there's always the chance they fuck up.

>>11170613
>no counter argument
retarded faggot.

>>11170596
I can't make out "a creature licking the triforce" anywhere on this block.

>>11170654
That cropped image doesn't show the side which has the front of its face

>>11170294
>You're literally complaining that the graphics improved lol
I used to tell myself the 3D game is the ultimate versions so I don't have to bother with N64 emulation or SoH, but downsample the resolution a tiny bit and the original oozes class and style while OoT 3D looks like playdoh and simply what it is: a small random studio remaster for a weak handheld that doesn't do the game any justice. And for what it is the remaster is great, but that doesn't change what it is

>>11170687
Those screenshots all look great, I thought they would be comparing the N64 to the 3DS

>>11170319
I don't know how people are excusing this. A creepy basement becomes someone's grandma's living room and apparently that looks better

>>11170687
i hate random artistic changes like making the fishing pond look like a swamp and kakariko so earthy

>>11170687
Hyrule Castle Town looked much better in the original

>>11170729
Agree, helped emphasizing the contrast between leaving the Peter Pan forest and having to face reality. One of the best vidya moments entering it for the first time

>>11170729
No it doesn't.

>>11170769
it looks better in that it doesn't look like some disney bullshit, that's for sure

>>11170783
What do you think looks "Disney" about the 3DS version?

>>11170792
Not him but the le wacky colorful and cartoonishly shaped buildings

>>11170792
all of it. the whole game.

>>11170801
>all of it. the whole game.
>can't provide 1 clear example
:/

>>11170803
There's a whole collage already posted here >>11170687
Compare the utilitarian shop designs of the N64 version to the one shown here.

>>11170803
>overly vivid artstyle
>sanitized appearance of literally everything in the game world
>wacky architecture
>etc

>>11170810 (me)
same kind of shit happened with the crash bandicoot remake
the enhanced texture sizes and polygon counts actually contributed to an immense loss of detail in the game's levels

>>11170829
Left looks like it was made in a shitty minecraft clone

>>11170809
And it doesn't look like "Disney".
why do you think it does?

>>11170856
Afaik jannies don't get paid, why are you trying so hard to make poeple post?

>>11170856
You've had this question answered several times now, retard

>>11170769
Not in that picture because you're replying to someone who pretends we played the game in HD 1998

The remaster looks nice in isolation but makes an effort to get the vibes wrong, doesn't try to accompany you on your quest, does't care what the tone of the town is trying to set up, doesn't care the game outright tells you the kingdom is twisted (which is why it's easy for someone like Ganondorf to gain acceptance)

>>11170862
mods definitely get some cents

>>11170869
Who designs a church so that you have to approach it from a narrow side passage

>>11170874
the town was built after the temple was

>>11170903

>>11170153
Both good with pros and cons

>>11170212
on a hacked 3ds there's a patch that fixes the main autism complaints about majora. it's just better now, the bomber's notebook in particular makes it the way to go for anyone who isn't a troonrunner

>>11170281
and in the original you used a strategy guide like a fucking faggot so...
>>11170319
right looks awesome though.

>>11170868
It's literally not been answered once.
Why do you think it looks like Disney? Provide an example of the Disney IP it reminds you of.

>>11170868
Don't bother, there's been a 4chan trend lately of retards utterly refusing to admit when they're wrong. They'll either pretend like you never posted examples or they'll even intentionally misconstrue what you posted to support their own argument even if it's in complete opposition. Before, anons would tend to either admit they were wrong or simply silently bow out of the argument.

>>11170958
Holy shit you massive braindead faggot. He means it has a sanitized and overly cartoony atmosphere, not that it looks exactly like an existing disney movie

>>11170963
>not that it looks exactly like an existing disney movie
If he didn't mean that, why did he say it? Not my fault anon is bad at communicating what he means.

>>11170949
>right looks awesome though.
Looks like the point was that the demake makes rooms brighter and less scary. A theme park doesn't require a Triforce of Courage to enter and there are enough gaudy games on Nintendo consoles

>>11170968
You clearly either have autism and can't understand that not everything is supposed to be interpreted with a straight forward 1:1 literal meaning or you're intentionally being obtuse

this thread convinced me that jannies get paid 0.02 cents per post. what a dead shit website

>>11170981
>Use words incorrectly
>"a-actually you have autism"
:/

>>11170991
Retard

>>11170997
Concession accepted, have a good day anon.
:^)

>>11170153
>Should i play Ocarina of Time
Wouldn't recommend it, no.

>>11170181
That looks oversharpened

>>11170181
Left isn't even an accurate depiction of what OoT looks like on a good CRT.

>ship of harkinian is...le bad! because...BECAUSE IT JUST FRICKIN' IS, OKAY?!

>>11170979
it was never scary. You're just retarded. Too dark just looks cheap and lazy.

>>11170268
Except it's not unrelated to the series' world building. Moon worshippers have been enemies of white Christians for ages. LoZ is an analog to white, Christian Europe being attacked by evil browns as told by the Japanese, who possess Caucasian ancestry themselves. The original version of the game with the crescent moon, chanting and blood is absolutely way better than the censored version. Only a limp wristed s o y boy or an evil brown would think different.

>>11170268
>considering a random real world symbol unrelated to the series' wordlbuilding

>>11170268
>considering a random real world symbol unrelated to the series' wordlbuilding
kek

>>11170274
It was important to help the player out with those times, specifically for their bombers notebook quest. There's too much going on in Termina for any player to reasonably be able to find it all on their own. The time commitment itself would become excessive. The bombers notebook wasn't actual hand holding either. Hand holding is in-your-face help that you can't ignore. The bombers notebook is never in your face. The game provides one brief prompt on any notes taken and that's it. The rest is up to the player to figure out.

>>11170941
>the way to go for anyone who isn't a functional adult or actually capable of enjoying games
Ftfy

>>11170319
Left is disingenuous. Looks much better on a properly calibrated CRT.

>>11171164
Wanna prove that?

>>11171181
You would have to come to my house. Pictures of a CRT never do it justice. My testimony is proof enough.

>>11171185
>My testimony is proof enough.
No it's not. sorry

OoT vs OoT3D is literally soul vs soulless.
Dozens of artists and programmers worked countless hours to achieve their creative vision with how the game looks, sounds and plays all with the extreme limitations of the Nintendo 64 hardware.
The 3DS version is just some churned out cashgrab nu-Nintendo bullshit. It takes a huge dump upon the artistic vision the developers of the original game had by washing out everything with over saturated visuals and cartoonish models (you know, it has to be bright and cartoony for the kids, or else they won't pay attention to it!)
Only tastelets prefer the generic cartoon whimsy that they added to the 3DS version to make it more appealing to zoomers.

>>11171223
>washing out everything
>with over saturated visuals
I thought "washed out" was the opposite of over-saturated in terms of visuals?

>>11171201
A sorry little twerp can't take a man's word for it. I care not for a weakling's opinion. You might as well be a bug to me.

>>11171232
>no argument

>>11170170
>important
Why are zeldacucks so unbearably delusional? If the entire zelda series never happened, video game development still continues unchanged. It would barely even dent nintendo's profits.

>>11171239
>4th best-selling Nintendo IP of all time
sure, buddy

>>11170231
Don't sit too close to your screen when gaming. It's kino

>>11171237
I'm not arguing with you? Why do you think I am?
I'm asking you to clarify what you said, because it didn't make sense.
>"This game has washed-out colours, they are too saturated"
is a contradiction.

>>11171236
This is the most Reddit-tier thing I've read all day. Congrats.

>>11170153
play it on 3ds it's easier to control looks better and is portable

>>11171264
>portable
>playing video games outside
are you six years old?

>>11171239
>people loving game he doesn't like is unbearable
>keeps clicking these threads
what even went wrong in your life

>>11171254
I wouldn't know how redditors talk, plebian.

>>11171363
With a reply like that, I find that very hard to believe.

>>11171264
>better to control
you literally need an extra button so you can reliably face the direction you want
>looks better
crudely throwing plants, yellow fog and sharp unfitting textures at it doesn't make a game made for 5th gen look better, especially not on a 3DS screen

>>11170191
was about to ask how they greenlit this but it looks like they literally greenlit it

>>11170540
I played the n64 and 3ds, and 3ds is quite better, still don't know what censorship that anon is talking when it comes to zelda games.
I know ps1 games got lot of censorship which is reason behind retranslations but zelda i don't think anything was censored.

>>11171286
why would I take the thing I can only play at my house in one room instead of the better one I can take literally anywhere

>>11171429
Blood was censored, arabic chanting and symbols were censored. This has been said already

>>11171415
controls feel very fluid for me and n64 look like shit they don't hold up at all

>>11170298
>zoomers talking with authority about things they haven't experienced
Gaming discourse isn't the only fucked by this phenomenon

>>11171434
because you should only be playing video games at home, especially if you're an adult. what the fuck are you doing playing video games outside? trying to entice little kids to hang out with you?

>>11170212
>>11170219
Mega kino

>>11171450
>because you should only be playing video games at home, especially if you're an adult
Why? Playing games in my garden is peak

>>11171450
can I not be on a plane or at a hotel or some shit? you're so retarded

The 3DS version has better graphics but worse artstyle. It over-brightens everything. Gameplay wise it's a big improvement, mostly reducing the amount of menu spam by having things bound to buttons on the touch screen. Also gyro controls are nice.

>>11170265
you can get camera controls on the pc recomp as well as play the actually good version of the game

>>11171436
Still looks better and plays better which are a good point.

>>11170869
is this from the gigaleak?

>>11170153
3DS is certainly the best looking version, and the gameplay is virtually identical, so there isn't really any reason not to play it besides the hassle of emulating two screens on one.

>>11171286
>>11171450
Nintendo's entire modus operandi with handhelds is getting out of the house and socializing. You genuinely cannot access features without going outside and going to locations geographically or even, dare I say it, meeting people that is still supported by their infrastructure with stuff like the DS. Oh and 6? Try college age as the cut off for this.

>>11170153
OoT3D is THE definitive way to play once you've played the original. The gyro aiming alone makes it better, but the bottom screen for items is something you didn't even know you wanted until you have it.

>>11170219
It blows my mind Majora's Mask 3D gets hated on, the quality of life is a mile long list. The boss fights are better. The game has better graphics, and it's portable.
I guess far too many people emulate these days on their PC.

>>11170281
>Nta but In 3DS MM you can save (and load) normally like you do in OoT.
no, you save at owl statues. it's a feature of the original game, but on 3DS they're not temporary and deleted when loaded.
and the save points added to dungeons are nice because you can actually find a stopping point for a handheld game.

>>11170451
the decomp is vastly superior in its feature set. the recomp is trash by comparison.

>>11170729
>it's all JPEG imagery in the background
bruh

>>11171047
So a smaller screen is what you're saying? it looks like how it looks like on big television sets.

>>11172326
Majora's Mask had a much more thorough overhaul to its aesthetic looks and appearance to remove all of the creepy and unsettling elements to the game. Even small things that were fine are changed like the mask itself which now looks goofier by having its eyes bulging out and making the mask fatter.

>>11170153
Really not a handheld type of game

>>11170229
So many subtleties lost and 3DSbabbies are still pretending this one wasn't butchered like MM 3DS lol

>>11170153
What you need to do is get a Wii and patchertool64+ and use it to patch the Wii Virtual Console OoT ROM.
It has a ton of options for quality of life enhancements, difficulty, decensor stuff, shrink or remove hud elements, MQ dungeons, change links appearance, remove graphical filters and even overhaul some gameplay elements.
It's literally the best way to play OoT since it keep the tone of the original intact while running at a higher resolution and framerate and looks crystal clear on CRT component compared to N64.
If Wii doesn't suit you, you can also do all this with a N64 flashcart or an emulator.

>>11170212
>The zoomerproofing and hand-holding features added to the 3DS version
what?

>>11170729
Yeah, that super contrasting 3d models over a jpeg SURE LOOKS BETTER.

>>11170153
Both are good IMO. Go with the original if you have severe autism, the 3D version is fine if you're actually playing it on a 3DS/2DS.

>>11172326
>quality of life
Ah yes, the go-to expression for when you really want your games to be as close as possible in engagement and challenge to just watching a longplay, but still feel kinda self-conscious about it.

>>11174618
There added hint stones that literally tell you what to do next iirc

>>11170181
>original looks like ass with the vaseline smear original hardware
Ironic how you're saying that while posting a OoT3D screenshot that's not from original hardware (real 3Ds is 240p)
You can upscale the original OoT in an emulator too if you don't like the genuine N64 vaseline

>>11174827
>Ah yes
No passage of text worth reading has ever begun with these words.

I'd say original N64 first (but make sure it's the 1.0 or 1.1 version), then 3D for a replay, so you can enjoy the best of both and actually appreciate all the additions the 3DS one has.
I personally loved the gyro aiming, made me realize some QoL is actually fascinating.

>>11174921
it was just the images I could pull from google, I was hoping more people would be honest about these things. the 3DS looks better, it just does. I own the original, played it a bajillion times, and it's a hazy little game graphically when you use bigger TV's.

>>11174827
I have no clue what you're trying to say. If you want me to clarify, there was a huge list of positive changes to the game in the 3DS version.
So to me, it's nuts to hate on it and cling to the original like it's perfect.

>>11172490
The mask emphasizes how I remember the mask being. You ever heard "it looks like how I remember it" ? your mask image is spot on what that means.

>>11174943
The 3DS has more polygons and higher texture resolutions, but the aesthetic is completely different which is why a lot of people prefer the original

>>11174949
What exactly is this asethetic? all OoT is to me, and I remind you I played through it countless times back waywhen, is a game that is showing its time and play/how old it is having been made ages ago.

The 3DS for comparison, the models looks like they're from the manual. I still have my manual, and the 3DS version has everyone looking like they're straight from the manual. So people clinging to the original reeks of something not grounded in these being two different versions, of the same game, separated by a long period of time and improvements in hardware. Simple

>>11174952
>What exactly is this asethetic?
If you're asking this question then there's no way you've actually played the N64 version. The N64 version is a lot more muted and darker with more realistic looking textures (not talking about the resolution but the aesthetics)
The 3DS version is bright and shiny with radioactive glowing water. Anything that was dark and spooky is now super bright. Stuff like the Bottom of the Well is a completely different experience. They also removed all of the blood including what was on the Dead Hand, pic related

>>11170180
What's fundamentally flawed is N64 emulation. There I said it.

>>11175021
>What's fundamentally flawed is N64 emulation. There I said it.
People keep parroting this shit as if we were still in the PJ64 days. N64 emulation is good now if you actually use a modern and up to date emulator like Ares for example

>>11170193
OoT actually does have some censorship in releases with the stupid green blood and the worse fire temple song. The boobies however are still present in all versions.

>>11170219
Are you not aware of the fucked up ice arrows, deku spin and Zora swimming? I'm not a baby and can tolerate it, but they're definite negatives for the 3ds version

>>11170181
>left isn't an accurate hardware image, at high resolution yet also blurrier
>right is very sharp and much higher resolution than original hardware
I have been successfully baited into replying

Play both of you can. I played the original 1.0 first and then the 3ds like more than 6 times including the master quest

>>11175108
>The boobies however are still present in all versions
Not really. Ruto's gets covered up on the 3DS version.

>>11172252
found a pic of (You)
how was pictochatting all of those little kids back in the day?

>>11174989
Don't bother. It is clear he cares more about his childhood then the nightmare-like qualities of the actual game. I personally am not one to go and stamp out a person's inner child.

>>11175114
>fucked up ice arrows, deku spin and Zora swimming
Luckily this can be fixed with a patch (and hacking a 3DS is so easy even a retard like me could do it)
https://restoration.zora.re/

Doesn't restore the original look of the game sadly but at least it fixes the gameplay

>>11170153
PC port of the n64 version. The frame rate increase alone is worth it.

>>11175357
I think that's exactly what he's saying, anon. The remakes take the scary "nightmare" parts out and add bright, kidsy stuff instead.

>>11175365
>Doesn't restore the original look of the game sadly
Why would you want that? The original game looks like a cheap ROM hack, while the remake adds so much charm and detail, while avoiding the 'nuclear color' of OoT3D and having much better lighting.

>>11170310
The Legend Of PISS
Ocarina Of PISS

>>11170370
N64 version didn't tell you you can hookshot onto gerudo statue's nipples, it was a neat little secret

>>11174927
A useful "quality of life" axiom for a certain kind of brain.

>>11170224
People don't talk about this change because it's small and incredibly insignificant, especially for people who have already played the game a million times (which is 95% of the people who play the port).

>>11175514
>especially for people who have already played the game a million times
That's the problem, people reviewing the ports 'already know' the game, so they're poor judges of how the changes affect the player's experience.

>>11170370
>spare you from blindly shooting at random surfaces
Yes, and that's a big difference, because sparing you from taking the time to test individual points means that the time cost of this is less. It's like, if you could throw a hundred bombs across an area, for free, you'd just do this all the time and find secrets that you'd normally need to figure out because of this. It should take a certain amount of time to check things, because if this costs nothing from you, you basically end up with glowing marks for every secret.

It's absolutely enough of a deal that it should be noted, as this is exactly the kind of thing that makes the hookshot boring to use in other games.

>>11175543
I think that's a complete non issue, because of people are gonna take the time to stop and look around for grapple points, they're gonna either shoot at walls or just scan with the cursor to see if there's anything to latch onto, I don't think anything of value is lost here. The player is still poking and prodding to see where they can go, it's just saving a anywhere from a second or two to fire at the spot. Your bomb example kinda falls flat in any Zelda game past the first one too seeing as the sword is a free way to test for unmarked bombable walls.

The hookshot isn't boring in later games because of the cursor highlighting, it's because its combat usefulness plummets and there's just less things to latch onto in general.

>>11170181
>posts image disproving his point

>>11170153
if you're stupid enough to even consider playing a remake as your first experience then go for the remake.
>SoH is fundamentally flawed
and why is that?

>>11170229
people defending this shit HAVE to be baiting

>>11170153
Muh Octaroon of Crime

>>11170687
If this collage is supposed to look bad, it isn't working anon.

>>11170153
64 or the Gamecube port

>>11172326
>It blows my mind Majora's Mask 3D gets hated on
Didn't it butcher a lot of things? Like zora mask gameplay and trivializing some bosses.

>>11170229
Damn. They really butchered the delivery. I remember n64 ganon looking menacing as a kid, and this proves why.

>>11176112
You're exactly right. Bosses were incredibly fucked over - all of them either dumbed down, or have brain-dead new mechanics that make the lm more tedious. Puzzles were also dumbed down all over the place. Movement in all the transformed states were ruined as well.

I think it's still a functional port, and admittedly it's "pretty" (despite fucking up the atmosphere and lighting in places), but in the end - it's only value exists while emulated, with the restoration patch applied. Anyone pretending it's the ideal way to play MM unpatched is a contrarian clown.

>>11172326
If you think the boss fights are better, you're mentally ill. For every QOL change there's something deliberate to fuck you over - like the gimped deku, zora and goron movement... which you're constantly using lol.

OG is also portable in a million different ways these days.

>>11174831
Ah I think I remember them. They're harmless tho.

>>11170153
>inb4 >Ship of Harkinian
>its fundamentally flawed.
so far in this thread i've heard one complaint that the hookshot target lights up. is that seriously the only problem the haters have?

>>11170219
>little reason to talk to so many of the characters outside of their designated events.
You talk to everybody the first time because you don't know which npcs are going to be in the bomber's notebook.
You do get info to talking to quest npcs outside of thei event times. This isn't the case of a replay obviously but on a first playthrough there is plenty of incentive to talk to the npcs, unless you are a fag guide user.

>>11170729
I like it

>>11170153
Play the original quest with n64 graphics, play the master quest with updated graphics.

I played it on n64 when it came out.
And back then i was already hoping they'd remake it with better graphics.

Nostalgia googles are fine and all, but as long as the gameplay stay good.
Play what you prefer to look at and always keep in mind that those who were creating games at that time would have put better looking models and decals if the cartridge could take more in it.

>>11176368
>with the restoration patch applied.
Damn. Modders always doing good work as always. Why are multi-billion dollar companies so incompetent

>>11176539
Unfortunately it couldn't entirely fix the shittiness of the new Giants Mask fight entirely, but it functions better at least.

>>11170687
>mirror shield isn't alloha snackbar
>original

>>11170883
That's even worse.

>>11172326
>The boss fights are better.
I can see how some people would prefer the new versions of the other temple bosses, but Goht is an objective downgrade no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

>>11170180
Shit of Kaka is garbage

>>11177460
elaborate how, or kill yourself now

>>11171223
dude the 3DS version came out 13 years ago, either your'e so mindfucked by zoomers you're complaining about them when its not even relevant or this is a bot post

>>11170187
>>11170189
That looks terrible. MY Sony looks better and sharper than that.

>>11170310
That's a crime

>>11170153
always the original

>>11177746
Not him but you're a retard for different reasons, zoomies would have grown up with the 3ds version.