/vr/ - Retro Games

Most of them were text based and called MUDs. True graphical MMOs did exist in the latter part of the decade, but they were the exception rather than the rule.

>>1116662
Eh, it was not bad if you had a second phone line. I have fond memories of UO.

I used to play tradewars quite often...I guess you'd call it a MMO. It was all text and super fun. The dial-up didn't seem to matter.

I think Tibia is still up and running.

>>1116662

well, the one in your pic is the greatest MMO ever and sadly nothing like it will never exist again because of all the crybaby carebears, it was like the wild wild west except nobody died for real

I used to love Graal online. It was basically just a link ot the past clone with other players.

>>1116662
Only bad thing about dialup was losing connection.
I played uo for a few years and eq for a few more on dialup with little discomfort.

Nah not really. My uncle had cable and convinced everyone else in the family to get it early (96 or so?) so I was playing UO on cable. It was really funny too because in that game if you had a faster connection, you had a faster movement speed basically. So I was typically able to outrun people on horseback just by having a better connection.

>>1116785
>playing for the second time ever
>have a horse
>want to put it in the stable
>this guy with a dragon comes up
>"My dragon wants that stable."
>...can he even use the same stable or is there something different?
>"I was already here, sir. Your dragon will have to find somewhere else."
>Later, on the edge of town
>guy waits for me
>sends his dragon after me
>drop stone, open gate
>run through
>dragon goes through after me
>run back through and pick it up
>dragon trapped halfway to other side of world
>guy PKs me
>worthit.jpg

Mobiles Disco was the shit in like 1999, to 2000.

NexusTK! They didn't always do things super timely but players had control over things in a way people jizz about today.

>>1119612
For example they had player run "subpaths". Subpath is a specialization of your warrior/mage/rogue/poet class.

I wasn't into it too much but an in game friend named Citian actually entered one for rogue's called shadow and exposed all this bullshit and nepotism they were involved in and got the whole subpath dissolved by the game developers. they put him in charge of a new one shortly thereafter called the rangers. (before it was merchant/spy/shadow)

Man, I miss MMOs. FPSes and MOBAs are taking over as there are always cycles for which genre of games are popular, but from like 2003-2007 MMOs were the shit. MMOs in the very late 90s though were part of an absolutely niche market though. MMOs were unheard of to nearly everyone. A few times around 1998-2000 I tried to get into some but just couldn't because of prevailing connection stability issues. You can't exactly talk about MMOs without going past the retro horizon.
>>1116665
Hardly anyone had a second phone line though. I didn't know anyone into online gaming in the days of dial-up who had a phone line just for using the internet. I mean damn how expensive would that have been?

>>1119606
It's a shame Habbo is the only playable game that has that art style.

>>1116807

GRAAL was the best.

>>1120224
To be honest, Habbo/Hotelli Kultakala used to be pretty good between 2000 - 2001, it only started going downhill in mid - late 02, when the horny teenagers decided it would make a good place to have cybersex, and act like a bunch of assholes. Considering that Mobiles Disco is what Habbo directly evolved from, it saddens me a great deal, knowing such a great game suffered such a shitty fate, and has gotten to the point of no return.

I should open up a Mobiles Disco private server one of these days, just so I can go on a nostalgia trip, like the sad cunt I am.

omfg i just jizmed my pants OP, if fucking LOVED UO

Is there anything out there like it today? Where you could just walk around and get raped by random strangers? I mean it sucked when it happened, but the fact that it COULD happen made that game so much goddamn fun- you actually had to avoid the roads and think your actions out, lest you get ganked by some assholes. That is, until fucking EA decided to fuck it all up with their homoerotic shard split tranny/feluga bullshit

>>1116674

Almost looks like somebody's ZZT world.

>>1116662
poopsocktastic

>>1120328
Remember when Lord British himself got killed? (his character, not the RL Lord British of course!)

That really takes me back. When GM characters were mortal.

>>1119539

You are a scholar and a gentleman

Play UO T2A if you want classic these days

It can be tough though

>>1116785
>wild west except nobody died for real
DUDE thats exactly what I wanted when I was a kid but I never had the internet for a while. I wish there was something close to it to this day.
This isn't retro but I used to play the shit out of DarkRP on garrys mod. Its mostly played by little kids and they carebeared the shit out of it now, but in the good ol days that game brought me to tears many many times. Smashing the fucking shit out of people with invisible prop traps, exploiting to push myself through walls to break into peoples bases to steal guns/drugs/money printers. I can still remember this small little british voice "stop minging me" as I repeatedly exploited myself into his base and killed him. My friends and I played that for so many hours even though we all had like 10 years on everyone in that game but it was so fun agitating them. I swear we got some of those kids kicked off the computer by their parents hahaha. Now they fixed a lot of the exploits I used to do and a lot of servers disable the tools I would use to ninja kill people so its not as much fun.

>>1120328
Day Z or those other zombie survival game. I used to play em quite a bit. I'd rather something with swords and sorcery myself though zombies arent the biggest threat in Day Z and getting shot from a mile away isn't as much fun as at least seeing your attacker in something like ultima. Still pretty much anything goes in day z lol

>>1116785
>sadly nothing like it will never exist again
Well, Richard Garriot and Starr Long are making Shroud of the Avatar.

It's basically a new Ultima without license, and they are expanding on what they did with UO.

I remember I used to play an MMORPG written in Visual Basic called RPG World Online. In retrospect it was a rather crappy game, but I had a lot of fun with it back in the day. I think it's still around if anyone is interested...

would /vr/ be interested in getting together on a UO private server? I'm totally down for that kind of thing.

>>1120629
Holy shit, all my yes.

>>1120636
now which one? UO second age?

Downloading Neo Geo roms with a 56K dial-up was pretty bad, yeah.

>>1120637
second age is the only good one

>>1119612
I heard only good things about NTK, is it still around, or did it die along with the majority of the old MMO's?

This about dial-up is the latency (ping) isn't terrible. Games (and this is still true today) don't require a ton of bandwidth except in certain situations. (updates, downloading new maps, etc.)
Even games like everquest were playable on dialup.

>>1121001
Who's with me then? I'm up for some second age fun with bros.

If anyone wants to get a feel for traditional MMOs, see what you think of Aberoth at Aberoth.com. It allows anyone to turn unfriendly, so it's possible to get killed by strangers and lose your stuff.

>>1120525

Ha, I did all that shit to. It was incredible what sort of situations were built (and destroyed) throughout the day on those servers.

All the new mods have all the tools and everything disabled, it was a lot more fun when people were less serious and could cause a bit of trouble.

>>1122042

playing this, so far it's pretty neat.

>>1122042
>>1122175
yeah me too u grog bro? I'm dopelord haha

>>1122225
>ause a bit of trouble.
im Nahvas!

>>1122042
Dat viraling.

>>1122248
its pretty fun. Well its a good time waster at least haha I just listen to this while I play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Po73eMng0
>>1122226
I'm on right now if you guys are game

Nahvas here from Aberoth, if you two (dopelord, grog?) are still in this thread.

I'm playing Zezenia right now, it's very similar to tibia in that there are real consequences for death, and it's just so good, look it up. (of course, my screenname is the same)

>>1122225
>>1122175
>>1122042
>all this samefag viral

I remember Ultima Online. It was great. In retrospect.

>PKers everywhere
>mercilessly slaughtered everywhere I went
>once saw a cow chasing a pack of wolves while ghosting off to find someone to resurrect me
>grind for a bit, get instamurdered by PKer
>repeat

Now EverCrack, that was a MMO

I shame I never got to play one of the first mmos in existence, Darksun Online: Crimson sands...
It had a lot of practical technical solutions to overcome software and hardware barriers that existed at the time when everything was dial up, but peer-to-peer structure suffered from security issues.

A direct continuation from Shattered Lands and Wake of the Ravager.

>>1124271
what server?

>>1124359
I'm playing currently, Arkannen.

I'm about to try this Ultima online private shard
http://www.uoforever.com/

Never played it before but was always really interested because I love mmo's.

>>1122042
fuck the one who just killed me

>>1125660
i murked some bitch yesterday she was following me and another anon not saying anything just acting weird as fuck so I went unfriendly and smashed the fuck out of her haha good times

Asheron's Call is still the best MMO

>>1120574
oh shit i remembered.
you can do anything in this game.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0

>>1122042
I'll give it a shot.

Anyone else play dat P99?

I just checked, seems like Meridian 59 is still running and open source now. Might be worth a play, that shit was pretty fun, like broken M&M.

>>1116727
www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3n_NsvGZSg

It is.

>>1120408
>YFW he got killed because he didn't put godmode on

Absolutely hilarious

>>1126801
there's an interesting interview with gaben about that and how they rolled the servers back and pretended he never died

>>1126732
Any people still playing that? I remember playing the 15 day trial that came with some 3DO game.

>>1126840
It's a good thing screenshots still exist

>HE DIED
>The cutoff post about how chaos can never win against LB

Fucking gets me every time.

>>1126859
There's 15 people online. Not exactly lively but not exactly dead either.

>>1126870
Also I'm sitting in Cibilo Creek Inn grinding Create Weapon if somebody playing wants some really shitty weapons.

>>1116662
>been a pain in the ass on dial-up.
Not really no.
They were a pain on a shitty connection, but that's true no matter what speed you have. Poor connections are poor connections no matter how much corrupted data they send.

MMOs were different experiences depending on which you played, even if many of them were thematically similar. They weren't explicitly D&D knock offs or so similar mechanically like what you see today with effectivelly WoW knockoffs or Diablo with more player clones.

>>1120310
fucking loved level editing in graal

I remember when Runescape first introduced PvP me and a bunch of other low level people used to hide out in PVP areas and then gangfuck anyone with nice looking gear that came by. We were the fucking bandits of the wilderness.

Does anyone remember Legend of Mir 2?

It had a great system of PvP. The more you killed the more infamous you became, your name would darken until it became pure black at which point if you were killed you'd drop all your equipment and money in addition to bounty messages being called out serverwide. You could also be killed without the murderer losing karma.

So if you were killed by them you'd drop a small portion of your money, you do some killing maybe now you have a chance at dropping your amulet upon death from a player, you kill some more and serverwide messages start being broadcasted for your capture, etc.

It meant that as a lowbie you were not really hunted lest somebody disliked you for whatever reason, however on the flipside there were whole guilds of black-named characters who after reaching "endgame" became roaming bandits of the game, pretty much only targetting the highest level players.

A fond memory I have is a black-named warrior with no equips killing all the town guards, I tried to fight him off but was doing no damage. Once I had his attention he just kept juggling me with this no-damage knockback move. Some time passed and I had quickly become the shuttlecock of a guild-wide badminton game.

>>1128781
>Once I had his attention he just kept juggling me with this no-damage knockback move. Some time passed and I had quickly become the shuttlecock of a guild-wide badminton game.
If this happened in a modern MMO, I think the whole country where the developer operated would have been shut down out of disgust and fear at such online behavior.

>been a pain in the ass on dial-up.

MMOs like Everquest that existed near the end of the 1990s were designed with the expectation that people would be playing on dial-up. By the mid-2000s though, the expectation was that MMO players would be playing on high speed connections rather than dial-up.

>>1129223

Final Fantasy XI was released 2003 and was designed to be run on 56k, naturally it was a slower paced game but I always thought it was amazing at how optimised it was, both in networking and general specs.

Also EQ had an interesting system for disconnects, I believe if you were attacking something and you dc'd for whatever reason then you'd be put into a temporary state of godmode and you'd hit like a truck.

You didn't receive any rewards but it was nice to log back into your character and realise you didn't just lose 4 hours of work.

Only one mention of MUDs? They were superior in every way except graphics to just about anything else out there. They were excellent, and I'd still play if I could find a good one.

>>1126876
Except that two of the earliest graphical MMOs actuall were SSI D&D games. Neverwinter Nights and Dark Sun Online. Fuck yes Dark Sun online.

>>1129371
DiscWorld is still pretty cool if you're into that. HellMOO has gone to shit.

>>1129434
Do you happen to know what code-base it uses?

>>1129371

I was born a touch after MUD's were popular.

How did parties and lore work? So you and three friends are grouped up and enter a specific room. Are you all prompted with a notice about your surroundings, do you each have to type /look room to get that info?

Also what are the enemies doing while you're reading, if it's turn-based or rather step based like roguelikes how do you synch that with the other people you play with?

I've always been curious about MUD's, I feel similarly about roguelikes; that stripped away to purely what you can achieve via text you have the ability to create monoliths of content with only imagination as your limit.

>>1129440
FluffOS, it's their own rewrite of MudOS.

>>1129458
Room descriptions are per person, everyone has to do the usual examination themselves. If there are some immediate effects caused by player interactions everyone in room will see them (or feel them if they're unlucky). Most MUDs that I know of have realtime combat and your character will usually auto-defend itself when attacked.

>>1129458
The answers to these depend on what you're playing. I played ROM muds, so I'll answer based on the.

A party was formed by inviting other players to it. It gave you access to a command that let you check every party members' health, mana and XP. There were a number of different options you could then set, such as auto-follow and auto-attack. Turning these on meant that, if you were in the same room as the party leader and he'd left, you'd follow or, if someone in the party was attacked, you'd attack too.

When you change rooms, you see the room name, description, exits and then your prompt that is customizable but typically had your current/max health and man, and whatever.

It is not turn-based. Ticks are typically 1 second long (I think it was?). Once you engage in combat, you autoattack every tick, and so does everything else. You see kinda a text-wall of all your attacks, all party members' attacks, and all other attacks. They usually use colors to describe different, arbitrary ranks of damage (maybe 1-100 is yellow, and 101-200 is red).

Most room descriptions are [room name], [room description], [one line about each item], [one line about each mob], then your [prompt].

I guess they required a bit of technical savvy with that particular code-base, but you picked it up pretty quick. Ask anyone who played them regularly, and they can remember walking around thinking "north, north, north, open east, east" as they walked around their house.

So I started playing Meridian 59 that anon mentioned here and I must say that I like the spell system and the dungeon crawl feel but I have a noob question: how the fuck do I level up?

>>1130403
You basically don't. If you bash tougher monsters for a while you will gain 1 extra HP. That's your level. Rinse and repeat until you shit HP. Spells are leveled in classic Ultima fashion - cast them to gain % until you qualify for another level in your school of spellcraft. Mana is determined by your mysticism stat, to gain more you have to find mana nodes throughout the world and activate them. Just check gilcon.net/meridian for information.
Also say hi to your old friend (last seen in Tos).

>>1130415
Jesus Chris! Uninstalling at speed of light.

should I play merdian 59? I started a thread about it last month but got no replies so I kind of quit. I was playing that aberoth game that was posted in here but some asshole killed me when I was afk and I lost my weapon which really rustled my jimmies. Will go back to merdian if its not dead

>>1130482

It's not the same game at all but I'd recommend Everquest on the private server "Project 1999". It isn't the same as Meridian mechanically but it's in a similar vein except people play on this.

>>1128781

Really, nobody played Legend of Mir? The game was massive, although I suppose its main roots were in Asia and Europe rather than America who got it much later.

>>1120408
That was beta and a glitch.

>>1126878
I fucking loved Graal Zone, it was my favourite Graal related thing except whenever I say that here I get pounced on.

>>1130482
There's about 20 to 40 people actively playing M59 on the main server (101) with as much as 50 during prime time, so it's not dead at all considering how small the actual world map is. There's also at least 2 /vr/ guys playing. And this guy, obviously
>>1130415

PKs are few and far between so newbs are relatively safe. Still it's not a good idea to grind in Marion when PKs are online.

Full of people who thought they were 1337 for PKing.

>>1130638
All-out PvP was pretty much the only meaningful endgame for old MMOs.

>>1130606
i'll probably try it out again I just played for a few minutes couldnt figure it out and nobody was on to ask so I just assumed it was dead

>>1130783
Go to Tos or Marion if you're looking for other people. Someone will probably toss you some equipment or regents if you ask nicely.

>>1119612
>>1121824
It's still around, although the community is fairly small and full of oldfag elitists. It's almost impossible to find a group pre-level 99. So I'd recommend shying away if you're playing alone without any help

>>1130783
There's an ongoing skeleton slaughter party in Castle Victoria.

>>1130926

Did anyone play Neocron 2? It was an MMO with a very Deus Ex feel, despite its age it was able to boast quite a large player run economy. Everything from crafting drugs and selling them (which conferred benefits at the risk of getting hooked) to repairing somebodies broken hoverbike for a fee went on.

There was also a housing market, prime real-estate was dictated by which large guilds were in what areas and also proximity to certain high-traffic Data-zones.

Another cool thing was that hacking was among one of your many skills, by hacking into these specifics nodes you would be transferred into a different world, the coolest thing was that your equipment was based on your hacking level.

So while you could bring along your demolition expert buddy he'd be naked and quite vulnerable. Essentially you went to these areas to get blueprints for crafting and certain materials.

I'm constantly surprised by how few people know of or played it though, in my eyes it should have been so much larger. The company were terrible with their pricing policies though, that might have been it.

>>1120224
>>1119606
>>1120329
do any of you remember cokestudios? it was like habbo but you got money for free as each account started with 5000 decibels, and you could get more by making "music" and playing it ingame. the music was created in a shitty program where you edited multiple tracks. there were no actual music notes, you just had pre-recorded sounds to use. _every_ rock song sounded the same.

but no one really did that.to get money what you would actually do was create throwaway accounts, multi-log, and trade the stuff you bought with your main.

some players would hold games. the host would have 4 people stand in a row, and then they would be boxed in. the host would then have the contestants race by running to the end of the room and back. another game was called 'falling furni'. the host would have people boxed in again, but this time it was a musical chairs type game where the host would place random couches and chairs around.

and then IT happened. IT was teleporters.they made fucking teleporters, man. for the low cost of 2000 decibels, you could buy two teleporters and set them to link to seperate rooms. suddenly, players were creating entire mansions, fortresses, and mazes, using what must of been thousands of throwaway accounts. some of the mazes were immense and looked like a hoarders' house. the creators of the mazes would glitch furniture by stacking them, and then putting whatever was on bottom into their inventory, i think. this way they made floating stuff.

>>1116662
>pain in the ass on dial-up
Not really, because they were optimized for it.
Not like now, where there's no consideration at all for even people with lower speed broadband.

http://padventures.org/

try

>>1125601
I'll play with you Anon

>>1130950
It went F2P but it's dying from not enough exposition.

>>1122042
God, that game rocks. Thanks for posting it.

Also, Grog here.

>>1128781
>>1130528
in gookland it was and is still huge

>>1122042

Membership: Starting at just $1.25/month
Members are allowed unlimited free access to the fully furnished and beautiful inn at Tavelor's tavern. Players who sleep at the inn become well rested, which allows them to earn double experience in their focused skill. The amount of experience that can be earned at the double rate depends on how long the player rests at the inn. Every ten hours (real time) spent in the inn allows you to earn double experience for 5% of the next level. The inn is especially useful for players who cannot play as often, to help them keep up with those who can.

All members earn special bonuses after being a member for 50 days, 100 days, 150 days, 200 days, 250 days, 300 days, and every additional 50 days. Bonuses are mostly cosmetic or novelty items.

All memberships receive free character customizations.
One and two year memberships also receive free vault upgrades.
(Vault upgrades and character customizations are issued as credits that may be used anytime. They do not have to be used right away.)

ENJOY YOUR PAY2WIN FAGETS

Surprisingly, The Realm worked quite well.

I visited it for a brief while after Sierra was acquired by Vivendi and ended up selling the game to Codemasters. It was fun again for a brief while, but the game hasn't really aged well.

I miss the kind of community that made it good. It was all about being able to interact with people in a positive way that was beyond simply going and farming daily quests and dungeons or doing raids every day.

Though I don't really miss Soldiers of Fortune. Those guys and gals were fucking assholes. I do miss the people I got to roleplay with back in the day, though.

I played Graal for a while when I was a kid. My sister's boyfriend at the time was a mod or something on a server and got her interested, so we split the bill to register an account. I think the server we played on was Impulse or something like that. I loved the shit out of it and ended up playing it way more than she did, but eventually stopped for reasons i don't remember. I know they broke up at some point, so maybe he got butthurt and banned the account to spite us or something.

I also played runescape a ton in middle school. I remember when the RS2 beta first came out and everyone thought it was the hottest shit ever. I still played it a bit off and on into high school and I had my character past level 60 and with trimmed rune armor. Out of nostalgia I loaded it back up for the first time in like 5 years a few months ago and all my rune gear was gone. I still had everything else, all my money and other items, but not the armor.

I think the only other retro MMO I played was Tibia, briefly. The game was just so clunky to me that I couldn't get into it, and having to wait 20 minutes for a log on queue anytime i wanted to play was lame as fuck.

>>1125721
Mah nigga. Asheron's Call 1999-2003ish was the best game ever.

>>1116785
Is that ImaNewbie?

Anyway, loved UO the first year it was around. After that, it degraded sharply in quality.
Part of UOs charm was the fact that it was more or less the first of its kind, and the devs and gamers had no fucking clue what they were doing. The unpolished nature of the game added a ton to its sense of adventure, and many of the exploits and bugs felt like a part of the game.

>>1119539
Drop stone? If you're referring to a rune, why would you drop it? You could simply use it from your inventory.
Also, if you were able to cast gate, you'd already be a ridiculously powerful mage.
Lastly, if you actually had the rune on you when you died, he could simply use the rune to find his dragon.

I call bullshit.

Person who's never MMOd here. So was Ultima Online an actual sandbox virtual world in which you could meet and interact with anyone in the world playing at the same time as you? Because that's what I thought MMOs in general were, but all I hear of WoW etc is people teaming up and going on hack n'slash raids.

>>1133190

WoW is a touch contrary as they generally make all your dungeons instanced-based, which means you and your buddies make a group and enter a dungeon and no other players will be in that dungeon with you except for that party\alliance.

Most MMO's are fully interactive though, you could meet somebody while buying a new sword, gathering materials, killing a boss etc anywhere that you can go generally there'll be another real person there doing something aswell.

That doesn't make it a sandbox however, that term refers to a players ability to modify the MMO's gameworld. So for instance owning a plot of land that other players can see and visit, or any variation of a heavily player-based economy.

>>1133016

Last I checked it said F2P and had some bullshit charge slipped into the small print. That company really did try some stuff in my time there, shame 'cause I think the game would have prospered so much more had it been in another companies care.

Are there any MMO Preservation projects around?

I've looked for any groups doing such a thing but no luck. I really do think there needs to be a preservation society for these games similar to the effort of redump, tosec, etc.

It's a shame when these old works just die off never to be played again.

>>1133242
http://pvw.illinois.edu/pvw/
http://www.stanford.edu/group/htgg/cgi-bin/drupal/?q=node/19

There's a 2009 interview with the person who is or was heading the project at Stanford (starts at 33:20):
http://alifewellwasted.com/2009/03/03/episode-two-gotta-catch-em-all/

>>1133217
Cool, cheers. And does WoW have an open world with all players in until you enter a dungeon? I get the impression it does.

>>1133301
Yes, it's otherwise completely open (well, the expansions may have added some instanced areas that are not dungeons, but I never played that far).

> telnet ageofinsanity.org 4000
> MMO of the 90s
> mfw it's still up and people still play

So right now there was a huge as fuck story event with undead raid in Meridian. Dropped dead at least 20 times but admins were bros and gave me some stuff to ease the grind. I like it, what's the name of the /vr/ bros playing and did you participate in the raid?

>>1131179
A friend of mine, who worked with me at Sulake Incorporation at the time helped work on the creation of Coke Studios. They were the ones commissioned to create it, hence why it was so similar to Habbo.

"Falling furni", and teleporters both originated from Habbo, and got incorporated into Coke Studios/Coke Music, considering how popular they were.

I really miss Habbo, Coke Music, and Mobiles Disco, they kicked ass. It's just a shame that Habbo got overrun with children, or I'd still play it today, no doubt. May I also add, working with Sulake was incredibly fun, back in the day.

Pic related, it's a "scripted" room with scripted items of furniture in Habbo from back in 2003. To my knowledge, "S0nux" is "Sonic Mouse", who was incredibly popular in the scripting community at the time of the picture.

>>1134385

Wow, Ireland really beefed up in the Habbo world.

So having an absurdly cursory knowledge of Habbo, what kind of restrictions were placed on the scripting for objects? And what sort of objects could you apply scripts to, were they a set list or could you make your own?

In the advent of Second Life, some of the most fun I had was applying certain scripts like that of a motorbike to random objects I'd created, it's something I always wished MMO's gave you access to.

>>1133049
>ENJOY YOUR PAY2WIN FAGETS

It isn't really pay2win. You can stack an infinite amount of items into the smallest vaults, people upgrade them just for prestrige.

The rest bonus takes something like a week to build up per level. It only gets very useful if you play for a year or two and started approaching the soft level caps.

>>1131179
I was a "furni race" room and I would rob kids by giving them the chance to "pay to stay" if they came in last. Boot 'em after they pay me hueuheuhe

>>1134412
>what kind of restrictions were placed on the scripting for objects?
Scripting was always against the "Habbo Way", (rules), despite the fact that my job was to remove rule violators, I actually liked the scripting community, and I actually used to have a few scripted rooms myself, on alternate accounts from my company account/staff account. Scripting was piss easy, years ago, people could use artmoney to throw posters off of walls, turn their Habbos into "mutants", merge furniture into walls, give themselves staff badges, recolour their items, some people even found out how to buy rare items from the catalog, which caused everyone to collectively shit themselves, and a lot more harmful shit happened as well, such as the one that let people crash the client by filling it with automated users (Jeax was responsible for this, and he actually went to court for it)
>And what sort of objects could you apply scripts to, were they a set list or could you make your own?
People used to write their own scripts for literally EVERYTHING in game, it's actually still VERY possible to do a lot of stuff to my knowledge, such as throwing stuff off of walls, dropping furniture into the black part of the screen, making your character have a seizure and freak out, but I am unaware whether or not the developmental team fixed it or not. Last time I checked though, it worked 100% fine.

If you want to check out some stuff related to Habbo, one noteworthy thing to look up is the user "Finch-HIMself" who successfully social engineered a female moderator, and got access to the housekeeping on the US website. Despite what everyone thinks, the kid had no knowledge of "hacking", or anything of the sort, he was just incredibly good at manipulating people. Another dodgy bastard is "Myrax", from the English website, he sold out his hacker friends for cash.

Here's a scripted Moutain Dew machine, staff only trophy, and a blue elephant (recolour of a gold elephant which was never released)

>>1133279
What do they actually do??

Do they back up MMO clients or do they just record gameplay footage and player interviews?

Last MMO I played in the old style of things was Shadowbane, and I think that was before I played WoW. That shit had this massive character creation thing sorta like a tabletop RPG, and the game world was void of anything but a few monster spawning zones/dens/lairs and maybe a single big city. Players made guilds, bought buildings from the NPC city and built their own, sieging each other down. Dying caused you to drop your entire inventory, so going out into the world was somewhat scary -- people would be waiting around to PK you for anything you brought outside your guild's base, and if you never had anything good, they'd knock it down and you'd lose tons of money.

That sort of thing was actually fun back then, but now everyone's so proficient at ganking and there's such a skill gap between vets and newbies, it's not that great anymore. Some of the games that still implement that system you can't even hardly spawn in before someone 50 levels above you murders you for no other reason than they can.

>>1116785

I wasted nine years of my life playing this game.

And I do not regret a second of it.

>>1121001

>No AoS

>Not speccing identical Archer-Necromancers with your buddy

>Not wielding Nox Ranger and dismounting douchebags in Luna outskirts and sending your death-adders after them while your friend spams Harm and Poison

It's like you hate playing video games

>>1134385

Miksi te jätitte sen pelin niin saamarin haavoittuvaks, koulukaverin kanssa "hackattiin" hotelli kultakalaa joka päivä ala-asteella.

>>1126780
>polish upload
>Tibia
>that one TV interview
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7gdlKyuXGM
Thank you for that joyous feel.

Let us remember the humble BBS games.

>>1135282
I'm not an avid speaker of Finnish, I apologise. Although, I did prefer being on Goldfish, as opposed to the larger sites such as Habbo UK, and Habbo Spain, the community was always nicer on there.

>>1135254
If you enjoy wasting time, then is the time really wasted?

>philosoraptor.jpg

Another necromancer event at Meridian. Admins are pretty cool guys, even some PKs are pretty cool. But fuck the horrible grind, fuck it.

So what retro MMO do most /vr/ guys play?

>>1137450
MajorMUD
All other muds are inferior

Playing UO Forever, name's Johnny Law if anyone wants to bro-op with me, my plans are to get super buff and smash PKers in the face with my sword

>>1138367
Man, I'm thinking about playing UO, but I've only played like 1 week when I was like 10. My goals in any MMO are the same as yours, so maybe I could start playing, seeing how the murder system works (I'd love to earn profit just from killing PKers).

>>1116662
I played a Forgotten Realms MMO on AOL in the 90s.

That's about as old and crazy as you can get.

>>1138437
I'd always appreciate more company, if we form a moralfag guild on the server maybe we can instate more RP.

>>1138528

>>1138528
the guards killed her.

>>1122042
Am I safe inside of the shopkeeper rooms?

I have to alt tab frequently while I work, and i'd hate to have to log in and out constantly.

>>1138608
I found a maze

>>1138696
I can't get back to my corpse now. :/
and I just spent all my money on exceptional weapons.

>>1138714
>>1138714
thinking of just starting a new character, I got the corpse blues.

> telnet ageofinsanity.org 4000
> MMO of the 90s
> mfw it's still up and a bunch of people still play and do pvp

>>1138716
>>1138437
How much time have you invested in that character? Also, where can I find a guide or something to get into the game? I don't want to be the newb who ask questions every 5 seconds.

guy is red with rage

daimonin

>>1138730
Like a day.

>>1138730
>>1138730
also, don't worry about a guide online, the server has a newbie guide at the start to show you the ropes and gives you 500g for doing it.

>>1136252
Shakim here, what's your name in M59? Come hang out to Familiars.

It just about qualifies as retro, are any of you familiar with Rubies of Eventide? Short of some roguelikes I've never seen such a spread of skill proficiencies and general ways to build your character.

It had a funky turn-based battle system aswell, sort of like dragon-age in that turn based mode.

>>1119606
HABBO '04 - '10 PLAYER REPORTING IN

>TFW Still waiting for the hallways to re-show up

>>1138714
Well I made a new character.

Come, let us dream.

>>1140713
Oh yeah, that ettin was a paragon, big red bastards and they have health regen, took me awhile but I kept using bandages and I managed to take him down, gave me 795 gold.

With my two handed axe I can destroy several normal ettins at once.

>>1140716
Only things I'm afraid of now are stun mages and people with disarm.

>>1140716
I'm gonna need some help opening this chest though, if it's anything good I'll split the profits with you, be warned though if you try to trick me the only thing I'll be splitting is your skull.

>>1140714
> max players this session:
> 1765

fuuuck

>>1140727

>>1140987
>he just walked away.
okay.jpg

>>1141031
>>1141031

>>1141035
How the heck do you get stuffed like that so fast?
I'm a complete noob who refuses to read guides and after 20hours I've only explored the game.. as a ghost

>>1141035
lost everything, good thing I banked some things, I'm gonna save those for when I hit GM I gotta be more careful.

This time a snake poisoned me and I died quickly.

>>1141041
Join me and I will teach you my ways.

Got myself set up again, hoorah.

VIVA BRASIL

oh, and, tibia and stuff

>>1141078

there were no fkn brazilians on tibia pre 7.1 dude stfu, it was mostly germans/swede's pre2000

He was almost dead and I was in combat mode, so I accidentally his head from his body.

I feel regret.

>>1141110
It knocked me off my horse I guess and he started attacking a troll.. I dealt the last blow on accident, I crit him too. ;_;

>>1141110
It knocked me off my horse I guess and he started attacking a troll.. I dealt the last blow on accident, I crit him too. ;_;

Damn you Ettins!!!

i still play ultima online on a real shard =P

I wish I had people to be trollslayers with me, or whatever class they want, that uses spells to deal damage or a strong warrior that crushes their enemies.
We can kill bad guys and have a fun time exploring this massive game, and when I say massive I really mean massive.
The more people you have the more we have to traverse dungeons and have a fun time killing monsters for loot :)

>>1141142
I like UOF it has cool custom content that adds more fun to it.

>>1141154

>>1141170
I'm off for the night, maybe we'll have more players tomorrow.

fuck off. I'm now at 96 swordsman and 86 tactics, but i still don't know what to skill next? I'm going to despise and PKS everywhere.... Can anyone help me`?

It's also my birthday today :D

>>1141309
You playing on UOF?

>>1141170
Korgoth here, thinking of adding a tamer to the mix so I can make the big bucks selling mounts and such.

>Not playing a tamer so you can play the equivalent of a medieval car salesman

Does anyone have any idea how many players are playing Ultima Online Forever on average? It definitely seems to have a lot and the forums are active but I'm just curious if anyone has some numbers

>>1141616
I'm not sure but a good sign is, whenever I'm in Britain I see a ton of people.

>>1141154
I just started playing yesterday, converting it to warrior so I can get money for a new character. But still, I'm trying to learn more about macros since I barely used the one week I played before.

What's the best way to start in this server? I was yesterday boosting skills in the new player dungeon but my lack of understanding about the world scares me to some degree, so It will be nice if you can give me a couple of advices on where to train.

Also, whenever I play online I become a pure PvM player or Trollslayer/PvM if it is PvP-Enforced, so it will be nice if you have a guild or something like that with people with the same goals.

Tibia came out late in the nineties, but it was the shit. A total Ultima ripoff, but that's why it was so good.

>>1141730

Well, if I don't have a guild yet, I'm new as well I'll have to look up how to make a guild because I myself am unsure.

Give me your name and I will find us a safe place to meet and I will try to answer any questions you may have.

>>1141901
I'm gonna have to save up 25k for the guild fee, until then we are gonna have to communicate either through /vr/ or in game.

Never played old MMOs like that but I'm interested in playing with somebody if it has an active community to hang out with.
How is this UO Forever?

>>1142201
pretty good, but I'm lonely because I don't talk to people often because I'm intimidated by all the super geared badasses on the server.

I have ultima online forever installed, It will be my frist time ever playing once I'm off work.

Just logged in. Man this janky movement feels weird.

This gets a huge plus already for having a diary to write shit into.
It's astounding how many rpgs/mmos miss that function.

>>1142403
I have some fond memories of finding oddly titled books in the wilderness, opening them up and discovering some really weird shit. Always a laugh.

>>1142403
Most older MMOs had a diary of some sort, some sort of central BBS or mail system and often map where you could put your own annotations. UO had it, EQ had it, AC had it, DAoC had it, M59 had it, SWG had it and almost all MUDs had it. How something so simple yet useful is absent from modern MMOs is mind boggling.

>>1140468
I remember being intrigued by it long ago, but I never played it. I was very sad to find it had shut down by the time I found time to play.

>>1142464

They ran out of funding unfortunately and the owner either lost the source code or had some reason not to relinquish it.

A spiritual successor is in the works but it's been up for a while with what looks like no progress, it's called Dawn of Iskirra, should you wish to look it up.

That being said I check them once a week and not even 2 days ago their forums went down, so it might have even just died.

>>1142403
Well I got contacted by a Companion and he bought me a horse, bought me some stuff and gave me gold.
These guys are just plain nice huh?

>>1119606
was this like a prototype Habbo or something?

Anyone here played Eternal Lands? It's not really retro compared to UO or Meridian 59 and shit, but it's pretty old.

It's still around but I doubt anybody really plays.

>>1140714
lol

>>1142532
have you forgotten what board you are on or something? that was released in 2003

>>1142459
It's not used because the developers know that the gameplay they're producing isn't worthy of story, and couldn't create the necessary drama for a dramatic diary entry anyways because "muh respawn system"
Oh, and the corpse/diary items would disappear in 5 minutes after being dropped anyways (assuming they drop at all) invalidating months of personal record keeping.

To get most people to consistently use a diary, they'd need an in-game reason to keep one, like having a morale bar. And then some faggot realizes you can just spam one letter without spaces and get the same effect as actual writing.

>>1142645

What they need is some source of information that can't just be looked up on a wiki, a password for your guild hangout comes to mind or maybe the co-ordinates of some back-alley trading hub.

I once played a game with player crafted drugs and by trading them you were temporarily in a state of kill on sight with no karma penalty.

This created an actual community of only trading drugs in uncommon areas and having a few strongarms as lookouts; naturally the community also had people RP'ing neighbourhood watch, trying to find dealers and kill them. What happend was a constantly revolving system of co-ordinates, secret codewords and hiring of low-level players as a mule so they aren't recognized.

An actual in-game notekeeping system or annotation-friendly map would have been lovely at the time.

>>1126732
>>1126859
>>1126870
>>1126871
>>1130403

I played Meridian 59 over the summer. It was okay, but I dropped it.

>Running around exploring some weird place with a ton of vines
>Suddenly hear a pain sound
>Just as I glance at the chat/combat log, I realize I've been shot and killed
>Resurrect at "Jasper"
>One of the guys who killed me approaches me in a robe and starts RPing with me about choosing some god when "it's the right time" or some shit like that
>Takes me to the bank
>Gives me 50k shillings
>Never see him again

ok

>>1142585
It's still retro, it's from the past, we're moving on with the future.

>>1142403
I haven't started my journal yet.

K i just got started on ultima my name is Dopehead lol

I had been getting tired of killing Ettins, and getting killed by some invincible paragons, I went to look for different prey so that I may hone my skills and become a Grandmaster Swordsman.
I know, I wield an axe, but axes are swords now I guess, what do I know, I'm just a barbarian converted to the modern royal ways.

No matter, I am on a quest to find someone worthy enough for a soon to be Grandmaster Swordsman.

>>1142848
I'll try to get to you Asap, but I took a long walk.

>>1142848
just ask for help and follow the guide get your money and I should be back by then.

Also I died, but it's okay I got more money in the bank, but holy crap I lost like 6-7k

>>1142862
I'm just gonna leave Korgoth here, I'll come to you on another character.

>>1142848
I'll come meet you outside the dungeon, I can't come in cause my account isn't young anymore.

>>1142879
umm I was fucking around with my video settings and lost that guy I have no idea what Im doing

>>1142879
I got this from the stable, Grand theft Palomino

>>1142890
I'm looking for you now but I can't find you.
I got three horses

>>1142917
ill be on in a second here I had to get something to eat I was dyin

>>1142917
I went back to the starting area

>>1142920

>>1142698
That was Vinsfeld, admin that loves to RP and he was trying to tell you to work on Rija mule so you can teleport instead of running around.

How can I contact you dudes? I'm in Britannia, name's Winterbottom.

I have a friend that is a bit weary of starting on UOF because of hackers. Is this at all a problem, has anyone experienced hackers on the server? Is there any kind of anti cheating?

>>1126698
I did, my two to friends who played it when they were 15 are in TMO, I personally couldn't stomach the grind past 46

>>1138601
>>1138714
So you play UOForever?

>>1143146
There may be some speed hackers and ask macroers but they are pretty good about catching them. I've only got pks and thieves in the server

Y'all don't even know about nerd RPG politics and meta gaming like this game
3x rogue subpath elder shoot me in the face

>>1143174
yes

>>1141309
Give me your name and I'll help you, you should have went to the newbie dungeon and hit GM on young status

>>1141309

Anatomy

>>1143179
looks fun, what's it called?

>>1143245
Nexus TKW

>>1143179
hope you're not the guy Living, prick

>>1143384
Nope, I was actually really good at roleplaying and not being a metagaming faggot

Don't you dare die on me thread, I hope my friend is doing alright in the dungeon.

>>1143179
I played this on and off from the time I was like 10 or 11 til I was like 15.

I joined the Koguryo Royal Army, and back when I was that young it was still kind of fun to do that RP. I ran some events with a friend, too, which was fun. One thing that I remember was that we had to stand guard for some RP ceremony with the prince or Yuri or something, and they put us in this big map that disabled the afk snore. I was playing with a friend in the same room(by which I mean standing perfectly still and doing nothing), and after about 15 minutes of listening to the speech, we left the house to get food, ate it, came back, and the fucking ceremony was still going on.

I have mainly fond memories of Nexus though. I'd kill for a UOF/P99 style nostalgia server. I can't imagine it'd get enough of a playerbase to kick off though.

>>1125601

count me in

>>1125601
>>1133014
I have been having fun with it. But I don't have much time to play at the moment. I've been spending only about 10-30 minutes at a time

>>1142403
in some old mmo's i use to play, before wiki's became as popular as they are now, we use to have "information brokers" who would write guides on quest/monsters/etc on in-game books/paper and sell them

i actually have a depot in tibia that i dedicated to sorting my books, as information has always been the most valuable tool in old mmo's

fethers

>>1140565
>tfw Lost_Witness is gone forever
>tfw SmoothCriminal is gone forever
>tfw the lido is gone forever
>tfw you will never hang with corrupt moderators ever again

I feel your pain, my friend.

What was your username, Anon, and which hotel did you originate from?
>>1142517
It's Habbos predecessor. The prototype was called Project Goldfish, which later became Hotelli Kultakala (picture related)

>>1129371
Only MUD I've ever played and liked was Gemstone IV back in 2003. It's still up but now it cost $15/month to play it. Fuck that shit.

I used to play Dragonspires for years until it shut down, every so often someone tries to bring it back, since the source is released. I had 28.8 dialup and shit until like 2005 so I always found the smallest old MMOs and stuff to play. Shit was the predecessor to Furcadia

>>1145604
DiscworldMUD here. I can't say it's for everyone, but if you like text-based adventure games, it might be worth a try for you, because the quests in the game are more like the kind of puzzles you'd encounter in adventure games rather than "slay ten of this monster" or "bring me ten of this item".

I can't truthfully say that combat is my favorite thing about it, but a lot of the gameplay mechanics differ significantly from other MUDs - for instance, wizards memorize spells and only can fit a limited number of spells in their heads at once, like D&D wizards (which Disc wizards are partially based on in a satirical fashion).

>>1146191
Oh hey you and the other dude who mentioned DiscworldMUD, did you ever play the point and click adventures? Good games

>>1146310
Yep, I'm a fan of all the Discworld games - Discworld, Discworld 2, Discworld Noir, and the MUD.

>>1146191
I wanna play with you guys, never played the Discworld games or read the books, they're on my backshelf for now I'm reading LoTR gonna read everything by Tolkien.
Anyways I'd enjoy a community that has RP and fun and all that jazz.

Talk bout "the earliest" "the oldest" and no mention of Lucasfilm's Habitat on QuantumLink. I'm sure some of you are still using Q-Link even today. They're called America On-Line now.

I am surrounded by babies.

>>1146451
If you're curious and want to check it out, you can find out more about it here : http://discworld.starturtle.net/lpc/

There's a "play now" link on the site that uses java, although most people use a MU* client such as MUSHClient, in which case you connect to discworld.starturtle.net on port 23.

The Discworld adventure games you can find as abandonware on Abandonia - I don't think they have Discworld Noir, but you can probably find it on TPB or other torrent sites.

If you decide to check out DiscworldMUD and decide you like it but need a little help finding your feet, I have a wizard there, Funderburk, and I try to pop on every now and then. I tend to have a 'binge and purge' approach, where I might be on a lot for a few days, and then take a break from it for a while.

All the guilds are pretty fun, although I wouldn't recommend the Assassins' Guild for a first-time play since PVP is mandatory for them and it will usually come sooner rather than later.

I really want a retro MMO thread up permanently on /vr/, but I guess the majority of subject matter can't be played nowadays so discussion is limited in that regard. It's a shame because I find the development of mmo's to be astounding, more-so because I've lived through it I guess and seen them change bit by bit.

>>1147462
Most of the games mentioned here are still running with people playing them as you can see from this thread.

Quick question, what is partying like in this?

The wiki kind of infers that you either solo or play with 1 or 2 other people, is that correct or are larger parties a thing, and if so what's a general 'let's go kill some shit' party size?

>>1147191
wasn't that a gongshow and they decided not to launch it

>>1147838
Wrong thread, sorry.

Not really a 90s game, but the most fun I ever had playing a game ever wast playing DAoC (Dark Age of Camelot) around 2001.

It was popular for a pre-WoW MMORPG, but now it's largely forgotten, other then a few people that still play. Frankly it should be seen as a masterpiece. The PvP/RvR system in it was ground breaking and the best end game I've ever experienced. If it was allowed to evolve instead of being killed off by WoW, it would have been glorious to see.

Kids these days will never experience the joy of playing a real MMORPG, that has minimal grinding and near perfect player vs player combat.

>Dat feeling playing a minstrel class and putting an player too sleep with a song from my flute and then using it to charm monsters which I set on their ass to chomp them too pieces.

>Dat feeling playing an archer class who could summon a hound to sniff out hidden assassins and popping an arrow in their head from a nearby forest.

>Sieges with hundreds of players and stealing precious relics from an opposing realm's keeps, climbing up the walls and stabbing defenders on the ramparts with my assassin.

DAoC RvR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HTr2KL9jcM

>>1147939
>Battlegrounds as Albs
>Trying to take the tower away from the Mids
>Them Hibs hiding in the forest, waiting to storm in when you're both at your weakest.
>Tension rising and Adrenalin pumping at the same time.
Fuck I miss that game so much.

>>1147840
There was beta testing and shit. After a lot of testing they deemed that it would be way to much for there network to handle. So they canned it. It ended up coming out later with a different name but cut down and changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgYuJczGv8o

this video series talks about it. Also this is a good video for anyone interested in MMO's history in general

So is there any UO guild? The /vg/ one on T2A is dead.

>>1141532
>>1143210

My name is Pogodude.
Im now GM swords,tactic and anatomy, but now im nearly on skillcap and dont know, what skills to raise. Maybe magery to 100? or poison, or resist spells, and how to decrease the skills?
With arrow on down, but does it happen automatically?
Sry, not an english speaker...

So you're playing on UOF? What is the difference with T2A?

I've always wanted to play UO as a kid, but there was no way I could get that internet (and that monthly fee). I do want to play it now. I'll probably join tomorrow.

>>1120328
http://www.darkfallonline.com/
It's worse than the original Darkfall, but the developers that made that game were big UO fans.
Open-world PvP with full loot and fps combat.

do people still play any of these? are any of them still good. i want an mmo to play so bad, but not one that feels dead

>>1133109

hell yeah. shard event, cistern event, olthoi events... new content every month instead of the bullshit of today.

I wish that game wasn't overtaken by robots.

>>1151937
UO on several free shards, EQ, AC, M59 and DAoC still have enough players online at any time but obviously they're not counted in thousands anymore. MUDs have small but usually active playerbase.

>>1152059
I am always tempted to try AC again, but I don't want to log into 50 bots and 10 players.

Are there any MUD sites besides mudconnect and topmudsites?

>>1153248
Tons of them, check some MUD webrings on web directories.

>>1138649
>Am I safe inside of the shopkeeper rooms?

Nope, any noob with an axe can kill you. But you log out in 3 seconds in town. Or you can hide in your bank vault.

>>1152302
I haven't seen that many botters in AC but it's pretty deserted, I'll give you that. Or rather, the world is so large that it seems deserted when there aren't hundreds of people online.

Everquest is still the gold standard of MMOs. You can still relive it with Project 1999.

What MU* client do you guys prefer? I use MUSHClient.

>>1151392
skill decay doesn't happen naturally, you have to push the arrow down on which skill you want to decrease, then put the arrow up on the skill you want to increase and work on that skill like you did normally with swords.

Dont worry, you'll do great friend.

Anyone want to help me find a MUD?
I would like to play as a Thief, with the ability to actually... you know, steal things. Many times, the "Thief" class is just a "Weak but fast Fighter" class. I want to be able to actually pickpocket people, steal from stores, etc. Best if I can steal from other players too, even if there are some restrictions.

I'd like it to be in a medieval or fantasy setting.

As for role-playing, I don't really care if it's enforced or encouraged. It's much preferable to have role-playing than for the game to be some OOC chatroom, though.

Finally, I don't want any Iron Realms games.

>>1143553
Good. I was playing off and on since Yuri 36, I had played in beta but was too young to really remember. I was probably in 5th grade and I remember playing Tic-Tac-Toe behind the Kugnae Inns with somebody by dropping yellow scrolls as the board and using apples and acorns as our pieces. I eventually figured out how roleplay worked come 6th grade and played this shit forever.

It's not really a MMORPG, but Worlds was one of the first online videogameish chatrooms like Second Life. I played it a lot when I had a PC that could run it last year. There's a couple people that play religiously, and have been since it was released. It's really fun to explore the old abandoned customized rooms. It was popular on /x/ awhile back too.

>>1144721
I'm looking to place this?
Anyone know where I could grab this other than shitty origin?

>>1158416
play*

>>1158416
>>1158423
Found it ignore this.

>>1146007
>Furcadia
I sometimes still play it. The only thing I like about is being building dreams.