/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Fraggot
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/deathmatch/Ports/d-f/fraggot

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===

/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
BETA V2: https://files.catbox.moe/tc0rgk.wad

=== NEWS ===
[8-11] WadSmoosh ceases development
https://heptapod.host/jp-lebreton/wadsmoosh/-/blob/branch/default/GOODBYE.md

[8-11] DSDA-Doom v0.28.0 is released
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/146956

[8-10] Don't Be A Bitch 4 announced
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/146945

[8-10] ID24: new specification built on top of MBF21, Docs and the video showcase in the links below.
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/146943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCCFdOl_CP0

[8-09]Map Center releases a up to date Quake II Re-Release Mapping tutorial for newbs and /vr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2bFcL32lUE

[8-09]Quake Retro Jam 1 is out
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake/addons/map-center-quake-retrojam-1

[8-09]crispy DOOM 7.0 released
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/tag/crispy-doom-7.0

[8-08] Official Port gets overhauled, adds new episodes, with new weapons and monsters. Has MBF21 compat, and apparently also a new standard???
Includes lots of unseen Alpha & Beta content!
https://x.com/Wario64/status/1821578978462699748

[8-07] More Quake II updates coming. Possibly something about Quake 4 also.
https://x.com/nightdivestudio/status/1821265126219247951

[8-07] DBP67: Marble Hill is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3642/marble-hill

[8-03] Anon releases Cliffside Combat:
>>11130303

[8-02] Chocolate Doom 3.1 released
https://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom/releases/tag/chocolate-doom-3.1.0

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As this is a spec put forth by a gpl launderer and organized by people with financial incentives, it's impossible for it to be a community effort or even to have an unbiased discussion about it. Half the people chiming in are earning a paycheck. Future discussion or iteration is hopelessly muddied now, as the financial ramifications of all the details of any spec will weigh into the minds of the people trying to drive the topic. I think it's a terrible precedent and the presentation of it like it's what's best for everyone and as if it had community input is complete sophistry. This appears to simply be an effort by a company poised to profit off of control of the standards to take that control and serve themselves. It's capitalism and the cashing in of decades of community clout. I'm sure everyone had the best intentions and there's nothing wrong with wanting to make a living, but if this is the future then I'll probably find another hobby.

It looks like this is going to be the Wadsmoosh fork to keep an eye on for delivering stuff going forwards.

https://github.com/Owlet7/wadsmoosh

>>11152871
>inb4 57 replies telling you "see you tomorrow"
For what it's worth, I agree with you anon. But the sad truth is, nobody cares about what you said. A very small number of people here actually have Doom content creation as a hobby. And I mean active creation, not "released a map for a project a long time ago". The players only see two cakes.

>id24 has no demo compability
I was excited about this new standard, but this is not good. Well... at least it has multithreading, so it is at least better than gzdoom.

>>11152889
It's a post by the DSDA dev I coped from Doomworld.

>>11152871
Id24 was not created by Bethesda. It is 100% open source created by same old source port guys, and just licensed for use by Bethesda. No different than Bethesda licensing dosbox as og Doom launcher. Id24 has a few problems, but the problem that you are panicking about does not exist.

Am I wrong to think shamblers are cute

Does anyone have any experience using these patches?
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake/downloads/vanilla-restoration-patch-for-winglqwcl\
https://quakeone.com/forum/quake-mod-releases/finished-works/283201-vanilla-quake-fixes
I'm using Chad-Quake to play-through the episodes and noticed what I'm assuming is a bug with the water at the start of The Dismal Oubliette, which according to the second patch linked reintroduced an area Romero originally intended for the mission but was cut due to size issues on a floppy disc.
Having fun regardless.

>>11152898
Lmao, of course he's a tremendous faggot drama queen, and the sky is blue.
>fucking Romero adding revenants to the game who the fuck asked for it and we can't even use them because Carmack said we should pay for the game fucking capitalistic swines I'm outta here

>>11152908
Half of the fuss seems to be revolving around the idea that it containing the monsters from Legacy of Rust in some form but without the sprites and sounds because those are copyrighted.

If so, it doesn't even matter since at the very worst case you can just name other stuff the same thing and jam it right in your wads.

>>11152871
The second I read "capitalist" in someone's argument I completely tune out

>>11152924

>>11152920
A free(as in freedom) version will no doubt bubble to the surface eventually, and that can be bundled with source ports just as the mbf wad was.

>>11152915
Not familiar with those specifically, but I remember having weird dithery water on various winquake ports - seemingly at random. If the water looks fine in other ports, then it's probably just that.

>>11152898
I still don't think he's wrong, fundamentally. Time will tell, but I prefer to remain skeptical of the intentions of those praising the standard and claiming it'll be juuuuust fine in this specific case. Anyone trying to sell me something is a snake oil salesman until proven wrong. Moreso when it involves the words 100% Free & Organic Open Source™ five feet from something that costs money. I don't distrust or dislike open source. I distrust the people telling me it can't possibly contain malice just because it's open source. Call me a schizo if you like, I don't mind, I'll still prefer watching the nothingburger from a distance.

>>11152897
they are looking into that

New idea for a wad: all city maps, all Archviles. And it's called Archville.

>>11152927
The file is not even needed even if you're playing id24 wad, like, at all. It's only required if the wad you're playing is using new monsters/weapons.

>>11152928
First time I'm seeing it, liquids looked normal everywhere else before The Dismal Oubliette and now at Termination Central.

>>11152920
Yea, it contains the code for monsters, weapons and pickups. But the code itself is open source, just like with Doom 1 and Doom 2's monsters, weapons and pickups. People tend to get angered that why this one commercial wad has right reserve spots for new things, but why wouldn't it have a right. It's an official wad. Technically a "Doom III" in terms of content. It's already being discussed as being treated as an iwad by source ports. So is it really different over Plutonia for an example? There are pwads that require Plutonia like Plutonia 2, PRCP or 94 protons if it ever gets done. Just like someone will eventually eventually make a wad, that requires LoS. Yet nobody seethes how commercial wad Plutonia is required to play some of free wads, while they seethe over LoS, while it's not anyhow different thing. What comes to the monster/weapon/pickup code, it can replaced just like helper dogs on mbf, so it's not taking space away from modders.

I think Bethesda is just being nice so that we forget all about what happened to Mick.

>>11152946
It's not even required for custom new monsters/weapons. It's required for LoR's new monsters and weapons.

>>11152959
By LoS i meant LoR. Had a brainfart over there.

>>11152959
I would say it's closer to a Doom 2.5, given that it has half the maps of Doom 2 and most of the enemies are modified versions of existing ones. Only 2 have unique mechanics associated with them.
I'm not saying any of this is bad, but I don't know if it's deserving of being called a full sequel.

>>11152959
I also think it bothers people so much because it's new. Even Final Doom happened 28 years ago.

>>11152960
for birthing that trash Mick can eat a dick

>>11152970
We've sure had a fair few anons who got the iwads from the OP, always considered it to be an entirely free game, and are suddenly really annoyed at there being a commercial thing suddenly.

It's kind of weird how history repeats itself.

>>11152970
People did seethe about Final Doom back then though. People will eventually stop seething about this one too. In short, seething about this meaningless and retarded in retrospect.

>>11152981
And LoR can be shared "secretly" just like wads of Doom1, Doom2, TNT, Plutonia etc. Retarded /v/ tourists probably think that the wad is glued to the kex engine.

>>11152992
I don't think many have ever been around for new specifications or compatibilities being introduced, certainly not in this way.

They'd have probably flipped their shit about Strife support initially only being on Vavoom.

How come that after over 30 years doom is still the comfiest shooter to play?
Levels vary in quality but the very core of the game - interactions between the player and enemy roster on top of map exploration and secrets are still unmatched despite how simple they are.
Where did old id go so right and how the fuck did we go so wrong up till now?
Was it the surge of shoddy clones pretending to be the same game with a different coat of paint?
Was it D3D's focus on realistic environments and gimmicks?
Was it HL's fault that it all went into railroaded scripted "campaigns"?
Was it Unreal's graphicswhoring and Q2's multiplayer scene?
Was it CoD and Halo's consolization?
When did they stop making fun shooters?
Was there really ever an FPS genre in the first place?

>>11152992
You put a lot of faith into them putting up a genuine argument, especially after the posts showing the accessibility font.

>>11153023
The roster design is really, really good, short of a few exceptions, their silhouettes are all distinctive as fuck and really cut down on the identification time when you see them.

Shit makes a lot of difference and it's something a lot of these modern "retro" shovelware games still fail to get and instead have thirty flavors of just dudes for enemies.

>>11153023
Doom has the easiest tools to make stuff for, and arguably the best enemy set out of any FPS.

>>11153023
>How come that after over 30 years doom is still the comfiest shooter to play?
Fun enemies and weapons, decently balanced, neatly simple.
They’re all pretty comfy for me but some definitely more than others.

Why is there a redundant red skull key in The Coiled City? I feel like this is violating something fundamental about Doom map design...

>>11153093
Probably because they realized they made the level too much of a clusterfuck for something that’s commercialized.

>>11152946
What a weird fucking way to settle this, couldn't they just make id24 support all this shit and have all the actual monsters weapons code in a pwad with LoR levels? This way everyone can use new dehacked possibilities without ever interacting with the new bethesda wad

Sigil II is much better than Legacy of Rust.

>>11153103
You don't need the LOR resources.

>>11153116
If you really fucking love cacos.

Am I a noob or is the new WAD kind of poorly designed? 2 Archviles + a full stack of monsters with only 7 rockets is kind of retarded. You barely have the space to maneuver as well.

>>11153163
I didn’t have much trouble with it until E1M6.
Otherwise I found it smooth sailing.

Is there a way to set soundfont per track in GZDoom?

>>11153172
No.

>>11153103
They clearly want new monsters to be part of the Doom so everyone would use them, the same way everyone are using new monsters from Doom II since its release.

>>11152960
Never liked his music so I don't care.

>>11152871
the community has fallen
billions must play id24

>>11152871
Marisa, stop larping

>New port releases a remix album that was made a decade ago by some random dude from youtube

Bravo bethesda

>>11153196
First of all, wrong guy. Idiot.
Second, I think it's best if we unperson this freak from existence unless something comes up again

>>11153175
>They clearly want new monsters to be part of the Doom so everyone would use them
are they worth using though? are new weapons worth using?

>>11153196
where can I get a qrd on every dw "personality" that pops up here so I could filter the shit out of their names?

All I wanted was TEXTMAP.

>>11153203
Survive Mt. Pain by reading their posts and learning their behavior like Q3A Orbb

Just a friendly reminder that Crispy Doom has cumulative texture loading and this is not documented anywhere save for source code comments.

>>11153202
Time will tell. People are reusing custom monsters from other mappers' wads occasionally here and there, it's not like it's a new concept or something.

There's literally nothing wrong with playing boomers shooters like cover shooters instead of run-and-gunning.

>>11153202
I want to use the fuel pickups for the chainsaw.

>>11153197
Probably the most lamest tracks are the Doom 1 remixes, I remember hearing them years ago while playing Brutal doom. How fucking lazy they are.

>>11153103
But you can literally use the new dehacked possibilities without interacting with the LoR wad.

>>11153116
Now this is peak contrarianism.

>>11153218
>bummer shutters
One of Doom’s most popular monsters is the archvile, and way more often than not you have to “take cover” to avoid his hitscan attack. Same with Quake’s shambler it just comes out quicker. Quake’s voreballs may be just as reliant on cover and that’s a projectile!

>>11153197
Doom 1 soundtrack is old, Doom 2 is new.

>>11153202
The beta lost souls fill an obvious gap in the roster (flying ranged fodder), but for the most part, they aren't any more interesting or necessary than custom monsters you'd see in a wad like Valiant or Eviternity.
Honestly, Ad Mortem's monsters are still some of the best additions I've seen in a wad.

>>11153214
and what if some bethesda fuck comes in later and says that your wad is actually not yours anymore because their thing was used in it?
are you protected enough from such jewry when using them?

>>11153234
I think the distinction is taking cover in old FPS games is physically moving to a position where you can't get hit instead of pressing a button to snap behind a desk or something where you're immune to everything and can also heal

>>11153242
This is not how it works. The new wad is used as an iwad. You are not allowed to copypaste it's contents into your pwad. At least for now. Few years from now on, nobody cares.

>>11153242
They already can do this with any of existing Doom monsters any moment. Except they actually can't because no one does this because the monsters a copyrighted and people will never put them inside the wads. Players will have to buy/pirate the doom.wad file if they want those sweet pinkies and cacos.
Same deal with the new monsters from id24.wad, you _legally_ can't put them inside your wad, but good news you don't even have to, it's the players' problem to find id24.wad file somewhere.

>>11153245
I'm pretty sure "cover systems" like you're describing are a lot more common in third-person shooters than first-person ones.
Or they put you in third person in a game that's otherwise a first-person shooter. Fuck DE:HR.

why the fuck does slade take up 500mb of space?

Are id1-res and id1-weap the same thing as id24?

Did you guys see the dinosaur npc got added back into Turok.

Turok got a new dinosaur!!

:3

where are these name/version strings stored?
do I have to hex edit the wad?

>>11153368
zdl probably as a list of names that it uses in case your file's CRC-32 matches its list.

>>11153163
It's just modern mapping style.

>>11153337
all they need to do now is make turokdoom's Adon a skin if they ever release Turok Wars as a Bonus content for Turok 3

Mark my words, Bethesda is trying to weasel its way into the broader Doom community because they failed epically with their snapmap shit.
In the last thread someone wrote they would actually pay money for new wads, and I don't think that anon was trolling.

>>11153228
>that mod that adds the 3DO music to the PC version

>>11153397
>because they failed epically with their snapmap shit
That was 8 years ago dude. They've released 3 Skyrims since then.
They should open source idtech5. Or start publicly licensing their newer engines.

>>11152892
>re release tried steam oh
>compared broken arguments
>hard ass enemy types
>bullshit problems
>complaining vassago literally limits exit

>>11153397
Please explain in detail on how Bethesda could possibly do that

>click the quake retro map pack in the news post
>check the maps
>mostly unfamiliar names, a couple i recognize
>sock is there and made the goddamn start map and another map
>he's still completely vacant from social media/community stuff and his personal website with all those great old mapping tips, texture creation guides, etc. never came back online
what wizardry did they pull

>>11152892
heh

>>11153403
>>hard ass enemy types
/vr/ id24 wad name decided

>>11153023
I find Quake almost as comfy if not more sometimes, but Doom is easier to map for and has the more active community so I'll take it.
Plus while the community itself may have some bad apples at least it's not as bad as Quakes, where some kids showed up, complained about gatekeeping, then cancelled everyone and made their own community which they now gatekeep.

>>11153415
qrd? haven't kept up with the q1sp dramalords in quite a while since it all seemed so stupid

Shores of Heaven is a great track and I wish the rest of Legacy of Rust sounded this good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwUasopups

>>11153405
Zoomers love buying shit and supporting and identifying with companies.
Zoomers are too dumb to set up a regular sourceport and launcher.
Zoomers buy Doom on Steam, get all the wads from an easy to use interface. Curated? No problem. To pay for? No problem, they already buy CS weapon skins.
Now you please explain in detail whether you are a shill or just very naive.
The malevolent greed of suits knows no boundaries.

>>11152914
nah they're neat

>>11153424
It's nothing too exciting, just all the old and skilled guys were chased out by kids who refuse to innovate and try to make glorified Doom maps for every single project they shit out.

>>11153427
I'll admit this track made me like map 2 more than I would have without it.

new Nicolas wad just dropped btw

>>11153432
i mean from what i've seen the old guys are exactly the same as the new guys politically/gatekeeping-wise and the actually skilled guys left years ago because they have actual jobs, i'm not sure where the schism even is

>>11153429
So your point is that zoomers are too stupid for computer programs until Bethesda lingers the idea of them being able to make 20% on a $5 sale, then they’ll learn everything about source ports and comp levels just to make maps?

>>11153427
why is the episode ost so synthy?
playing up the nostalgia?

>mostly unfamiliar names
There at least two anons from here that participated I think, along with some guys who usually only do Quake 2 stuff.
>what wizardry did they pull
All it took was doing an event in a new community not filled with freaks.
Unfortunately I fear they've opened the flood gates to those people now, but we'll see.

>>11153409
>mostly unfamiliar names
There at least two anons from here that participated I think, along with some guys who usually only do Quake 2 stuff.
>what wizardry did they pull
All it took was doing an event in a new community not filled with freaks.
Unfortunately I fear they've opened the flood gates to those people now, but we'll see.

>>11153337
did they ever update turok 1 and 2 to support more than 60fps? fucking 3 has it and good games in the series don't

>>11153409
I’ve decided to play this through Tomb of Thunder but the start map wasn’t happy. Haven’t ran into problems with loading the maps themselves. That was a few days ago, though.
>>11153470
I played Turok 1 recently and nope. It’s still 60fps. Dunno about 2.

>>11153231
>John Romero understands Doom mapping better than Xaser Acheron
Hell, LoR doesn't even compare to NRFTL.

>>11153483
>xaser only appears at the end of E2
No wonder I'm enjoying it so much more than the first half.

Anyone play Brutal Doom I LOVE IT

I’ve never seen one person praise Sigil 2 here

>>11153501
Because it's levels of MID that shouldn't even be possible. So is the first one frankly, but the novelty of Romero hadn't worn off yet.

>>11153397
Bethesda isn't giving the last calls anymore retard tourist from /v/, MICROSOFT is the one that gives the calls.
Same microsoft who funded Doom95 and graced the world with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2V9TFrmQ_Q

Stop giving this retard tourist (you) it is the samefag from /v/ who is anal at id because of Doom Eternal and now goes on to shit on the entire IP in general like spoony yelling betrayal.

>>11153504
First one was definitely not "mid", plus it had Buckethead soundtrack, so the overall drop in quality is quite significant. Disappointed men tell no praises.

>>11153197
Random dude doesn't really work as a dig given that he's now worked on the main series

>>11153498
I honestly have no problem with BD is that's how some people like to play Doom.
There's no difference between that and running around with Combined Arms or Demonsteele, the issue only starts when you get idiots who refuse to play without it harassing modders for not making their mods compatible.

>>11153509
Yes Microsoft is currently calling the main shots for ID and Bethesda. However, I just want to point out that Bill Gates left the CEO position of the company and, like some other folks, hasn't been even been in the board of directors for Microsoft since the early 2010s.

>>11153409
>The Jam wasn't by Fairweather and his group of sycophants
Nice. I'll actually play this because there's a chance of it being interesting. An added bonus of no Mazu levels being multi hour slogs too!

>>11152920
>jam it right in your wads

What the fuck is LoS E1M2 even supposed to be?

>>11153446
>then they’ll learn everything about source ports and comp levels just to make maps?
No, my point is exactly the opposite. lrn2 read

>>11153516
Absolutely agree, Mr. Shill

>>11153572
But then how are maps supposed to be made and then sold?
Do you think something like Sunlust or HFFM could ever be commercialized without extensive reworking on some level?

>>11153516
but Doom Eternal is awesome?

>>11153582
>awesome
it's fucking serious sam compared to original doom
please, shut the fuck up

>>11153561
A hydroelectric dam, what else?

doesn't matter if it's good or bad because it's not retro

>>11153586
Serious Sam is fun though.

>>11153162
Another one here because my pc doesn't support more lmao. About to get an upgrade soonish though.

>>11152924
I hate how the idpol morons have poisoned the word. And I say this as someone who adores the Doom foundations upon a open, community-driven ''hacker culture'' and is very poised against what appears to be Bethesda / Zenimax trying to divide and throttle the modding community of Doom.

>doom/ultimate doom
>doom 2
>final doom
>master levels
>no rest for the living
>doom 64
Anything else is not official

>>11153535
I'll check them mods out, I wouldn't condone harassing modders for BD support but I guess they just like it that much and want more of that brutal doomness

>>11153597
>Anything else is not official
Like the majority of the doom community barely cares about official so this really isnt much concern.

>Trying out Retrojam since I'm not a big fan of the new Doom episode anyway
Pretty damn good. It's refreshing to play levels that aren't made by the same few guys at Slipseer for once, and the maps themselves so far are all quick, bitesized Quake sessions and not those giant marathons everyone seems to feel pressured into making these days.
I hope these new mappers consider a Halloween Jam this year. I miss those.

>>11153586
Nah, we like Eternal here.

>>11152861
>Beating Knee Deep In KdiZd.
>Third level.
>Six fucking keys.
>Every time you pick up any, a shitload of demons spanws out of nowhere.
>They also teleport randomly all over the map without any reason.
>Thirty black cacos and suicide bombers.
>You need to solve a cryptic puzzle over a damaging floor which includes a barely visible switch if you want to reach the secret map.
I'm no longer like this wad that much.

>>11153586
Nah, Eternal and Serious Sam are fucking great as Turok 2
Now >>>/v/ where you belong

>>11153586
>>11153613
>>11153617
Fuck off to >>>/v/ tourists

>>11153409
>>11153549
>>11153608
Wait, what? Has there been another drama or something in the Quake community? It's nice to hear that lot have lost their stranglehold on Quake mapping, but for this to happen they've either burned out or something spicy has gone on.

>>11153530
It's a shame because his music isn't even that great

>>11153620
No idea, I can't even open Slipseer anymore because of a virus alert when I try, guess something happened.

>>11153603
>Like the majority of the doom community barely cares about official so this really isnt much concern.
Personally, I prefer Freedoom 1 and 2 (0.13) over Ultimate Doom and Doom II.

>>11153597
only custom content is official

>>11153575
>But then how are maps supposed to be made and then sold?
Why would DOOM maps be sold?
Just paypal your favorite mapper a few bucks if you are so inclined to spend money. There is literally no reason at all for any company to sell maps unless even the worst of them is better than the best map on idgames.

>>11153626
And nothing of value was lost. The last few years have been shit for Quake mapping due to the drek that little faggot and his friends kept pumping out.

>>11153613
>doom3

>>11153643
>Why would DOOM maps be sold?
nta, but this was the entire point of this chain
what the fuck are you on about?

Are there any Legacy of Rust pwads being made yet?

New port is pretty cool innit

>>11153590
then why are zombies placed around the map like they're strippers or something?

>>11152943
Make it happen, but one of the levels needs to use this track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMTPJLWA7Mk

>>11153686
There's something off about the aiming and movement, it's okay at best

>>11153613
>>11153650
Accurate. Love it.
>>11153686
Seems okay, but I'm sadly spoiled by weapon bobbing options and I didn't see any.

>>11153705
It has bobbing options

that's a lot of deleted posts...

>>11153703
I disabled vsync and it felt perfect.

>>11153708
Oh good. I should've specified I was looking for options that let it keep bobbing while shooting, or stay centered, sway while turning, that dumb stuff.

>>11153723
I disabled vsync and it started stuttering like shit

I made my first gun with Decohack. Feeling quite proud of it though I already know I'll be tweaking the sprites a little.

I'm a noob who doesn't know how to webm, gomen.

>>11153765
Nice, upload wad later
It's supposed to be a chaingun replacement or a better fast shooting pistol?

>>11153703
I agree, the movement definitely feels off, like I'm slipping on ice or something.

>>11153750
I disabled vsync and nothing changed.

>>11153779
It’s on SR50 instead of SR40

>>11153597
>>master levels
why

>>11153765
>I'm a noob who doesn't know how to webm, gomen.
There's a solution for people like us https://gitgud.io/nixx/WebMConverter
Also looks cool, I really like the hand and I'm picky about those.

>>11153773
It's your starter weapon, 6-18 damage. Chaingun will be something like Crusader's repeater, so Doom Eternal's heavy cannon in Doom form. Idea so far:

>uses 2 bullets/shot
>projectiles with 10-30 damage, in multiples of 5
>minor explosive AoE damage if I figure out how to do that

In essence, an early plasma rifle that's particularly good at chewing through crowds.

>>11153765
>black hand
Ew...

>>11153787
Thanks, gonna check it out soon. Most of the sprite is just Amuscaria/Eriance's work, hand included.

>>11153793
>itt: anon accuses another anon of blackhanding his mod's character

Jokes aside, it's just a brown leather glove anon. They exist, you can't be leatherphobic like that.

>>11153806
Leather is for perverts!

>>11153809
FUCK YOU

>>11153470
They get asked all sorts of shit about Turok and the answer is always that that was built on a very old Kex engine SDK. Like 2.0 or some shit and they are on version 5 or more st this point. So they can't even go back and do updates to that version even if they wanted. They say too much time and money required. That's why it doesn't have basic features newer games have like mouse and keyboard on console and yadda yadda yadda

>>11153765
>I'm a noob who doesn't know how to webm, gomen.
It's not that hard, just use handbrake if you're on Linux or webm for bakas/lazys if you're on Windows.

>>11153197
Not really a big fan of Andrew's remixes here even though his Blood Swamp song is my favorite in all of nuDoom's.

>>11153686
an upgrade from the last one desu. bit redundant for most PC users but great for consoles.
new soundtrack is a mixed bag for me

>>11152486
>>11152492
Literally just one map... Kind of expected that, to be honest. Because I doubted that those lads at MachineGames had as much of an experience with DOOM as they had with Quake and Quake 2.
TL;DR: It's basically a Nightdive episode like The Lost Levels in DOOM 64 (except not just Kaiser).
>>11152960
>we forget all about what happened to Mick.
Vast majority of people already forgot that story of the week, anon.
>>11153402
id is also put up the beta version of modding tools for Eternal. Speaking of which, I gotta boot up the game again to see if/when I could farm that stupid Season Pass thing for DOOM 64 skin.

>>11153825
Yeah, it's more because I've been editing videos for a while and had no clue how to actually edit a webm that's accepted by the board. Will just use what the other anon mentioned.

>>11153852
Oh shit that's the program I was talking about, I didn't even register that Anon's link. That's the program I used for like 9 years to post my dumb webms here for you boys. It's good software.

>>11153841
>Literally just one map...
Just got to it not long ago, too. I was enjoying it so much I did a pistol restart halfway through. I haven't 'regular doomed' in awhile so I'm still pretty rusty.
>>11153857
Yeup, it's still nice.

>>11153218
yeah if you run and gun at a line of five chaingunners youre either aiming for infighting or get what you deserve. Hell even shotgun sergeants will ruin your day if you dont get rid of them promptly.

>>11153259
NTA, and partially related, but I like using third person view in Blood to peek around corners. It's not cheating if it's in the base game, is it?

>>11153948
I mean nowdays it's cheating but nobody wrote the rulebook back then so hey go nuts

>>11153948
I did this all the time in slower-paced source games like tf2 and l4d, didn't work too well on cs though.

>>11153948
If anything it's kinda cheesy in multiplayer. I otherwise regard it as an abstract "lean" mechanic.

>>11152871
>Half the people chiming in are earning a paycheck.
I wish I could get paid for hoping to steal some of the features from this thing so it can be in sourceports I like.

>I think it's a terrible precedent and the presentation of it like it's what's best for everyone and as if it had community input is complete sophistry.
People here have still been pretty apprehensive in spite of being somewhat excited for the features, have they not?

>This appears to simply be an effort by a company poised to profit off of control of the standards to take that control and serve themselves.
If Bethesda thinks they're gonna make incredible amounts of money on this venture in itself then I think they are pretty deluded, which is why I think they probably don't reason that way.

The entire point of this is probably just a very cheap way of bolstering PR and image in preparation for their actual coming big AAA game.
Compare to when they had Doom 64 touched up, added to, and rereleased in tandem with Doom 4. Whatever little money they'll earn from this KEX-Doom thing itself might just cover what they've put into it.

>It's capitalism
You're an embarrassing faggot and a R****tor.

>>11152898
Oh, that explains why it's written like by a fucking R****tor.

>>11152897
That's actually pretty bad. If I'm not gonna have demos I might as well just use GzDoom instead and have comparatively infinite flexibility.

>>11152889
Speaking as someone who does, I still think it's worded gay as fuck.

>>11152914
No, I like their ambling walking gait, and their funny and weird running gait with their arms out and up. Also the look very dense and stocky for their size.

>>11152920
Why are people so afraid of piracy all of a sudden? There is zero copy protection and the file is a few megabytes.

>>11152898
>DSDA
AND INTO THE TRASH IT GOES!

I named him Shamby Jr. He just needs shaded now

Is there any wads that use hip-hop for the music but otherwise the levels are somewhat typical Doom stuff? So like no urban theme city levels or funny stuff like the Moon Man meme.

>>11153163
That doesn't sound bad.

So, I like Nugget but I'm not that die hard of a purist though.
Is there any gore mod similar to Nashgore Next I could use? Seems like most if not all of the stuff have been made for zdoom variants.

>>11153773
Ask and you shall receive: https://files.catbox.moe/y16yu8.wad

Only the SMG is in, I gotta get the sprites and code done for the shotgun replacement soon. I wanna see how bad it is if I make it shoot two high damage pellets in a tight spread (or none at all).

>>11153857
That is a good webm yes the giant blue laser dildo classic one right here

>>11154068
Try this one: https://skelegant.itch.io/gorenuggets

Goes great with extra gibbing and blood.

>>11154037
But why!?

>>11154030
Zoomers don't know how to pirate

wait a minute
now i get it
if id made even larger maps reserved for them
It means they have gigamaps in plans for this and for use with the new format, in fact all of this pretty much opens the door for them even to do a Hexen Open world like the old mod that never came out

>>11154068
>Nugget
>purist
lmao

>>11154068
I have a mod I've been using with lingering blood. But it also contains a modified version of the bullet casings from MBF21 Smooth Doom.

>>11154071
Thanks.
>>11154089
Cool.

>>11154090
https://files.catbox.moe/m63mkn.wad
Here's the wad if you want it.

>>11154081
Purist enough.

>>11154080
When you really think about this, seems like the military base in Doom episode 1 has been designed by a schizophrenic architect. Would be cool to combine everything into a single giant map...

>>11154080
By the way, if anyone goes to the DB Forums right now the incessant amount of asspain coming from 40oz, thelokk, ketmar and others because of this is hilarious.
They really think their opinions means shit in the end, when some of the DBP maps outside a few ones are terrible, repetitive and worse than some of the Sheepseer's maps.
Hell i had more fun with HFFM and linedefs than some of the DBP stuff.

I may not be surprised if the faggots that are popping here and at /v/ are them butthurt over the id24 situation.

>>11154101
Has anyone uploaded Memorial and Doom:One or those aren't boom compatible?

>>11154097
>Purist enough.
lmao

>>11154103
Xaser pls

>>11154089
For some reason it causes a cwash...

>>11154110
Literally demo compatible.

>>11153501
I'm not playing anything made by Romero in the 21st century.

>>11153409
The start map is a real letdown compared to something like the dm4jam start map.

>>11153597
Harmony is official go play it.

>>11154103
check the dw threads on id24 they're about as much asspain

>>11154178
Sigil is unironically pretty good. Nothing mindblowing or revolutionary, but it's well crafted and you can get it for free.

>>11154207
Everyone there is super anal about it, yeah. I don't really care for drama so I post my wips, see if anything cool comes out and move on.

>>11154103
>Hell i had more fun with HFFM and linedefs than some of the DBP stuff.
are you implying that they’re less dogshit than the others?

>>11152959
>It's already being discussed as being treated as an iwad by source ports.
it uses Doom 2 as IWAD though

Hey, am I weird for thinking Nightmare in the classic Doom games is harder than the new ones? Because the idea of an FPS with respawning enemies is just inherently fucked up even if you know the maps by heart.

>>11154230
Nightmare was a joke difficulty for people complaining the game was too easy, it's not meant to be taken seriously. It even says it's "not even remotely fair" before selecting. I really like the subversion myhouse did with it

>>11154230
No, it's perfectly reasonable to think Classic Nightmare is bullshit hard.
I love Eternal but its Nightmare isn't that hard.

>>11154226
HFFM is quite fun.

Since there's a lot of talk about sourceports going on, I'd like to ask: what is the best Hexen 2 sourceport? Which ones are best for a modern Windows machine?
>uHexen2 (Hammer of Thyrion)
>uHexen2-shanjaq
>UQE Hexen II
>FTEQW (?)

Been trying to use the shanjaq fork of uHexen2, but the .exe gives an error. glh2 works fine, but I think I'm missing something.

>>11154230
Nightmare is effectively a joke setting, some people with terminal speedrunitis love it but I've never met any casual (read: sane) player who actually liked NM.

So yeah, it's certainly harder than more aggressive monsters with stat boosts.

E2M6 is some bullshit. The Archvile fight is total RNG.

>>11154207
Because of a few Doomer boards people there or morons who forgot that Final Doom is a paid Wad mod as Master Levels or even DZone.
But again, id24 reeks of "preparing the terrain for Hexen and Heretic" since many of the stuff there is from those games, mainly the teleporter, or the dynamic light colormaps on which the nintendo 64 and ps1 port had if i remember well.
Would be surprising at all if Hexen comes but they also added the PS1 cutscenes and a new episode just as Heretic
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/91680-dissecting-the-console-ports-of-hexen/
Would be a miracle if Raven still has the source code of both Hexen and Heretic 1 and 2

>>11154239
uHexen2
FTE is a mess and UQE is just UQE
Also shanjaq fork is the up to date one with more bugfixes since uhexen2 development is dead.

>>11154242
The one right after you get the Calamity Blade?
I beat that Archvile fight without dying once.

>>11154231
>>11154241
Is it really a "joke" difficulty though? LTK in GoldenEye is a genuine absurd challenge unintended by the devs, but just because Romero couldn't get past E1M3 I don't think that means the entire thing was put in for teh lulz.

>>11154230
If you wanna see something wild:
https://youtu.be/mLLQ06vzt28?si=p8b7l_6h0vhcDE94

>>11154257
It's not a matter of whether it's possible or not, that's what the intention was.

>>11154257
Yes, the levels have had no balancing done for the revamped monster behavior, or the fact that monsters constantly respawn, the only mercy you get being that you get twice the ammo from pickups, which still means finite resources.
Romero said himself that he didn't really expect people to play it much.

>>11154257
As far as I know that's why it was implemented. We can debate how it's seen now as much as we want but 90s id saw it as a gag.

>>11154250
Yeah, that's what I was expecting, thanks. I just don't know what's wrong with that uhexen2.exe in the pack I got from Hexenworld.org, but oh well.
Anyway, for the record, mere minutes after making that post I came across this comparison video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6q6Hp7AyoQ
Posting in case it's useful to anyone else.

>>11154252
Yes. The Archviles never properly group up for me to burn them, so I end up running out of ammo.
I've tried just not killing anything in the plasma room and letting the Archviles infight.

>>11154258
what the fuck

>>11152861
wololo-vibes

>>11153248
>>the two best maps (E1M3 and E2M6) were made by the guys not part of Nightdive
E2M6 was probably the level I enjoyed the least out of the whole set, personally.

Is someone ever going to turn Quake's monsters into 2D sprites?

>>11154340
For why?

>>11154349
To put them in Doom or Duke Nukem.

>>11154340
The Shambler and Scrag have sprites from Dimension of the Boomed.

>>11154361
The Scrag was basically recreated ages ago, but the Shambler has never had a full set of sprites, at least that I've seen. Dimension Of The Boomed uses screencaps of the Shambler model, and it does not look very good.

I wonder where all the people complaining about slaughtershit now that we have 2 episodes of pretty, long, hard, pieces of shit

>>11154395
Only a couple of maps really have that many enemies. A lot of the bigger ones are just full of trash mobs like the Imps, zombies, and beta Lost Souls.

>>11154395
It's been officially endorsed (again) so now they have no choice but to get used to it and accept it as a part of Doom. Womp womp woooomp.

>>11154332
it was kino

>>11154340
they should have done this in LoR tbqh

I find it kind of odd that Legacy of Rust's E2 has two/three maps in a row (Dis Union, Panopticon (secret level), and Echoes of Pain) with none of the new monsters included. Especially odd for me, considering every E1 level has at least one of the new enemy types present.

>>11154427
It had a really cool aesthetic, I'll give it that. But the gameplay was a bit of a snoozefest for me.

>>11154427
cacoward bait

>>11154453
That's considered Cacoaward bait?
I thought it was another regular level desu.

>>11152871
With evident absence of correspondence it's given he would've had qualms about it, no less as a solely involved developer for a distinguished speedrunner port. He may continue steadily implementing UDMF at his own pace and give no rat's ass about what any of the self-claimed heads of community might want him to believe instead, it's simply reasonable. Didn't he spearhead the MBF21 spec which is what ID24 is mainly built upon?

Was there no Quake tournament at Quakecon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuakeCon#Past_results_and_records_in_Duel_Tournaments

Quakebros...

>>11154517
Quake's been getting shafted gradually harder over the years, I blame the complete mishandling of Champions.

>>11154517
Bethesdacon 2024

>>11154340
Sprites are literally the most time consuming art endeavor for these games, which is why so few custom sprite sets exist and why they're frequently just edits. No one will ever draw the Quake enemies from scratch, but if you just wanna photograph the models it'd be pretty easy with modern tools... which reminds me
Many moons ago I was trying to remake quake using mbf (mbf21 didn't exist yet), so I photographed all the monsters in blender to make the sprites. This was very time consuming since there were no tools to do it automatically and especially since I also gave them 16 rotations. I'm never gonna finish that shit so here's all the sprites if you're interested, plus some confusing animations I made (pic related). They're doom palleted which may have been unwise in retrospect. :
https://files.catbox.moe/xsxqwg.wad

Alright, now I'm actually pissed.

>>11154560
>Bethesda issuing takedowns

>>11154560
I mean what the fuck, why even show shit off if there's no possible way to use them?

>>11153501
Sigil 2 is amazing. E6M6 is one of the best Doom 1 levels ever made.

>>11153785
>It’s on SR50 instead of SR40
Wait, strafing is now SR50 by default in the new port? That's clearly TAS. Uh, speedrun bros?

>>11154340
Check out the QCDE mod for Doom. It has Quake 1, 2, and 4 monsters as enemies.

>>11153501
Sigil 2 is a bit of a mixed bag, and I felt the secrets were kinda annoying. Sigil 1 was a lot more consistently enjoyable for me.

>>11154529
>gif
this right here is why doom is still king

>>11154678
It was the case in the Unity port, too, which was its own speedrun category.

God Damn e1m6 Coiled City is so fucking cancerous. Bad enough that the incinerator has self damage, but you get to deal with the entire new cast set up in utterly obnoxious areas where they can be incredibly dangerous to you but thanks to lack of autoaim correction on the slot 7 and the range of Dan's Gadouken on slot 6 means you get to close in and try to fight everything at close range on the Chasm platforms spamming Incincerator rounds while praying you a) hit thanks to the hilariously fucked horizontal automaim and b) don't die because you can't see shit of what's happening, you thought plasma fog fucked your shit up visually, well now.

I mean, it's a challenge, but not in a good way. Also minigun arachnotrons, who thought of this. Who.

>>11154704
E1 is shit

anon where can i find this map for hellshots golf
i need it

>>11154560
Is it id/Nightdive/Bethesda/Zenimaxi/Microsoft doing the takedowns or is it the moderation re-engaging their Ion Maiden asset police bullshit?

>>11154760
That's one of the HDoom maps.

>>11154760
why is green cum coming out of the baron(?)'s ass?

>>11154767
That's the indicator where the ball is going to go.

>>11154395
Maybe try reading the threads because people have been universally shitting on it for being an overstuffed slog with no regard for editing, ie. it is the quintessential modern wad. May it live in eternal shame next to its betters on the 'official' iD episode page.

>>11154760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFVqJL5B9bE

>>11154778
Universally?

>>11154764
found it
thank you kind sir
>>11154767
shit i didn't notice that!

Newgrounds link for HDoom is dead, where get?

>>11154517
wiki hasn't been updated yet

>>11154778
I mean, it was fairly tolerable until e1m6 which is incredibly hamstrung by the stubborn desire to not let you have any weapons besides the incinerator and the super le crossbow of not hitting anything on the y axis in a level full of stairs and ledges

Still, I beat it. mostly out of spite

>>11153597
Sigil is as official as a pwad can be, you gay.

>>11153668
It was released less than week ago and id24 isn't yet added to other ports besides kex. I wouldn't expect any quality wads for LoR this year yet.

>>11154792
I love that he however made sure to list Master Levels, boy, those sure needs to be counted. Curiously, he omits Maximum Doom.

>>11154785
i got it from
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yPfle4pnbMfgAvKHwmIjT7LJr1sgfAlJ/view
from hdoomguy x's

How do you know if the wad was designed with jumping/crouching/mouselook in mind?

>>11154802
Readme

>>11154103
Well /vr/ wads usually have insanely constant high quality, which dbp releases lack.

>>11154804
and what if I can't read?

Every wad is good, except tryhard and extremely lazy ones

>>11154340
Anons when you tell them to be the change they want to see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO_DTLq-YM0&t=10s

>>11154802
If it says "Vanilla, limit-removing, boom, mbf or mbf21" or tested in something that isn't gzDoom, the answer is definitive no on jumping and crouching, mouselook would probably be acceptable outside of Icon of Sin.

>>11154802
Unless it tells you that, or it says in the .wad's page or thread or something, always assume that it doesn't.

>>11154807
I'm gonna make the laziest tryhard .wad of all time.

>>11154704
I think minigun arachnotron sprites are from Doom 2 betas, so they wanted to include them with all alpha/beta content. I think it's a fun enemy.

>>11154805
Not really. They're pretty mixed bags across the board with some exceptional maps in the rubble, especially with the speedmap projects (which we have done f o u r of.) HFFM has 6 maps that I would say stand out in any way and the rest is pretty average dooming stuff that don't really live up to the name of the WAD.
>>11154807
What a vague and milquetoast opinion

>>11154802
If it's shit.

>>11154814
Sounds impossible, although I'm kinda excited. Don't catch aneurysm.

>>11154818
This is sacrilegious! Thou shalt not speak of hffm in ill will.

>>11154817
It sounds like the suits aren't quite on the same page as maybe all the Nightdive devs if that's the case, but we wouldn't know that.

>>11154821
To be frank anon when I see a WAD called hard fast faggot maps I expect to have my dick sounded with a lead pipe. Temple of Flesh and uhhh whatever the last one with all the revenants in the circle is did this pretty well but it's a pretty easy WAD overall.

>>11154805
NOW now, I think we've put out some quite good .wads, but the level quality is not all golden across the board. 2048, Ad Mortem, HFFM, they all have some levels which are genuinely excellent, but they also have some which are NOT excellent, be they just kinda good, only decent, or actually not that good.
That's something you get with community .wads though.

>>11154821
I love HFFM, and in a way which is suspect, but he's not entirely wrong, a few of the levels are just kinda whatever, and there's a handful or so which are the true shining stars of that show.

>>11154825
They're not all ballbusters, but there's more than just two, c'mon now.

>>11154149
That's not a criterium for being "purist", anon.

>>11154245
>who forgot that Final Doom is a paid Wad mod as Master Levels or even DZone.
Those weren't released during a time when there were already decades worth of excellent non-commercial wads.

>>11154828
Those were just off the top of my head. I think A2Rob's map is the first one where it starts getting hard but that's after 3 maps which don't really set the tone all that well.

>>11154832
Crispy Doom isn't purist either? I suppose, using widescreen ratio to adapt for the amount of monsters and projectiles flying from the periphery, typically found in limit-removing wads, already disqualifies it from being purist. Or not, also not sure about interpolated movement.

>>11154245
Difference between Final Doom and Doom 2 is only marginal, unlike with the original Doom or the most recent expansion. Not mention a vastly different modding climate as anon above mentioned.

Why can't you load every iwad/pwad at the same time and wrangle them at the starting screen?
Is it that hard to make an in-engine mod select layer?

>>11154851
Wadsmoosh did that till a few days ago.

>>11154851
It would require clearing out existing resources anyway, and it takes like 5 seconds to restart even gzDoom, so why bother?

>>11154852
It still does though, just not to the full capacity since recent

>>11154817
I think they wouldn't be so maddening if it didn't feel that, for whatever reason, I get tagged with hitscan way more in the KEX quest version than I do in Zandronum.

I was gonna vent about some of the shitty traps I encountered but I'm still just insanely salty over the shit experience that e1m6 was, so far the levels past that dumpster fire have been more orthodox and dare I say it, even somewhat Fun?

>>11154860
What wad is that?

>>11154832
If it's demo compatible it means that it can play 100% like the vanilla .exe

>>11154863
second episode of the new expansion Legacy of Rust

>>11154863
Legacy of Rust (the new Doom + Doom II wad)

>>11154863
Legacy of Thrust, it's a Hard Fast Faggot Maps spin-off

>>11154865
>>11154868
Oh shit there's a new episode? What the fuck. And it uses beta monsters? Sick.
>>11154869
gachiGASM

>>11154863
the not-so-sucky half of new episode

I'm playing Legacy of Rust right now. I haven't played any classic Doom in a few years now. And I am being reminded why. I loathe dealing with sniper enemies. Even imps. Especially imps. I don't have this problem in other shooters. Am I being weird?

>>11154846
if you keep failing to define "purist to what?" this back and forth will inevitably end up at an arbitrary point of purity where he can say "I win gottem" or playing doom from a floppy on a genuine DOS install on an IBM PC, the point of final purity
so to bring this to its conclusion;
nugget (and to an extent crispy) isn't purist because it offers a smattering of qol and modern upgrades out of the box, even if they aren't demo breaking they count, if you turn them all off it's a purist experience compared to shit like GZ, what you were likely referring to, but the port itself is still far from it as a whole, what they were likely referring to
if we're all caught up then I'm going to masturbate to anime teens and kill myself

>>11154873
I think you mostly do not like Doom combat.

hol up, so if I understood it right unidoom just used unity as a wrapper and not the actual engine? so for KEX it's been tuned to larp as a sourceport? or has it been grafting source code into a big boy engine all along?

>>11154873
Nah a lot of these maps feel like they love planting enemies in nooks and high ground or behind windows where they get to irritate you. Strategically it makes sense, dealing with it is exceptionally annoying. Especially when your supplies are tight and you are stuck with sub-par weaponry to fight with.

Is it just me or these new maps want you to save a lot?

>>11154889
What is it with this notion that saving is some kind of sacrilegous act and that you should single-segment everything and if you can't beat a map first try it's a bad map?

>>11154889
If that's the impression you're getting, then they're probably made by a tryhard as >>11154807 anon so eloquently reasoned. It takes years of gaming experience to get the definition right.

>>11154879
I dunno, I have played a bunch of older Doom things in my time, even on ultra-violence sometimes and it was fun enough.
>>11154886
Yeah, more supplies would be nice. I was on E2M1 earlier and I had to run away from enemies to find ammo a few times, not my idea of fun.

Ok, enough of this shit, I need to play these myself to see what's what.

>>11154894
>and if you can't beat a map first try it's a bad map?
if one segement repeatedly makes me replay a large chunk of the map pistol starting, I might be retarded
if there's MULTIPLE instances where this happens, then it's probably the map's fault

>>11154819
Fuck you I love Alfonzone.

>>11154894
>you should single-segment everything
It's the most enjoyable and meaningful way to play, give and payoff wise, yes. Nothing beats the first impressions.

>>11154894
Muh spedrun
Muh UV-Max demo
A youtuber told me to

>>11154889
After a few mishaps in the first episode I just resorted to quicksaving and quickloading without a second thought. There are some nasty traps that can quickly kill you and/or drain your supplies and the secrets are not always obvious nor particularly rewarding. Once I combed through an older area looking for secrets and found a closet containing... a green armor. Didn't help that I had topped off armor from a different area already so finding this was like a double middle finger, I really could have used that shit going through that area earlier.

>>11154905
Yeah some of these maps have shit where if you know the trap you can trivialize it in one go but if you don't, haha hope you marked all the health packs you left behind on your map.

>>11154908
I guess if you feel you have something to prove or care about achieveos trying to clear everything in ye old vidya in one go is cool but if you just wanna beat the maps over the weekend, see how they are, and break out the cheats or save slots, nothing wrong with that either.

>>11154894
Nobody said any of that

>>11154814
>>11154820
Aren't these joe-ilya maps? Hastily made ones with some unusual yet questionable gimmick involved. What a pioneer in avant-garde, seriosly, a doom visionary.

>>11154928
lurk moar

>>11154945
nigger

>>11154907
I have to agree with that. Alfonzone is good stuff.

>>11154951
Oh no, it seems like you committed a racism outside of /b/. You know what that means, do you?

>>11154973
/v/ is the new /b/ -> all /v/ descendant boards are /b/
niggerfaggot

What are some nice examples of the donut special out there? I imagine the property transfer trick is used in some of the big boy megawads?

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Linedef_type#Donuts

>>11154972
Okay and I retract my fuck you then. Alfonzone is one my stomping grounds when I'm playtesting my mods. That and LegoBase.

>>11154973
Nah, nigga, he didn't express any racist intent with his post.

something something free hissy

>when the mapper's block breaks and the level is just flowing out of your fingers

>>11155017
NAKED
SNAKEWOMEN
NAKED!!!

>>11155019
God please let this happen to me I've been stuck in this for at least two weeks

>>11155019
I love this part

>>11153868
Okay, sounds nice. New DOOM 64 levels were nice, so at least Kaiser maps might be alright. I'll see for myself. Still slowly cheese through this re-release's achievements, but will for sure give Legacy of Rust a proper run... and probably No Rest For The Living too. I haven't really played that one.
>>11153996
>they had Doom 64 touched up, added to, and rereleased in tandem with Doom 4.
DOOM 64 was re-released in tandem with Eternal, not 2016.
Either way, I honestly doubt that Zenimax or even Microsoft had much input into this DOOMEx and other re-releases. To me it's more like id wanting to do all of them and higher corporate entities are just like "okay, sure". Sometimes people tend to overestimate how much these big corporations actually involve themselves into smaller things like that.
>>11154245
>PS1 cutscenes
Maybe as an option they would be fine, but original intermissions are definitely better. Those cutscenes are just derpy overall. Plus, developers of the porn somehow didn't get the memo that the events of Hexen happen in Cronos and not "world of Hexen".
>>11154560
Link to the actual post if someone's wondering... For some reason I felt compelled to dig it up.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/62403-doom-2-minor-sprite-fixing-project-v20-release-updated-112822/?page=31&tab=comments#comment-2831582

Anyway, how is that mod browser going at the moment?
>>11154762
>re-engaging their Ion Maiden asset police bullshit?
Doomworld doesn't allow Ion Fury-related assets?
>>11154789
>>11154860
>pics
Art seems alright though. Overall, I've been seeing kind of a missed messages about it. Again, will decide for myself in due time. lol

>>11155032
>developers of the porn

>>11155032
NTA but I know the ZDoom Forums crowd is very much anal about Ion Fury assets being used in mods

Ion Fury is shit

>>11155032
>Doomworld doesn't allow Ion Fury-related assets?
>>11155036
They both got very pissy over it and decided to ban it, the ZDoom moderation clique just went the extra mile of turning it into a protection racquet of having to be in good stead with them to get away with that kind of asset use.

>ZDoom forums
Surprised anyone still uses that shithole desu

>>11155047
>that shithole
name a single doom "community" that isn't a shithole

>>11155047
These days? It's a ghost town, but he's talking about things before that.

>jews ruining the fun for everyone else for extra profits
I never ever happened before and now it's happening again once more.

>>11155047
I mean I do because the occasional mod still is only hosted there. Sometimes I end up asking something or letting people know I played their mods, but I never used it much. I'm not really a people person so I never used it for anything other than finding mods.

>>11155026
I don't think thats what they meant by Hissy...

>>11155073
>snitties

>>11155062
Pretty much the same DESU, I'm glad a lot of people are sticking their mods on itch these days.

>>11154879
no, he's got a point. without mouselook, dealing with enemies with high ground is extremely frustrating. there's a reason downtown is the most hated vanilla map.

>>11155087
>without mouselook, dealing with enemies with high ground is extremely frustrating
even with mouselook RL's autoaim in particular is absolute cancer to deal with in any situation

>>11155081
I've been looking over there just now and I'm not seeing anything I don't already know lol

Sometimes I go looking around on Mod DB too, I know it's the equivalent of dumpster diving but sometimes I find something cool like Anomaly Deimos or Metal Ops: Premonitions. Both are cool and worth a play in their own right.

>>11155087
Most of those monsters are just imps and so high up they can't hurt you. I don't think Downtown is hated for that, if anything the fact you have to platform to a building with a lift, locked door and key at least 3 times but can't do it all ine one go is why people don't like it.

I've gotten used to the autoaim, so I just leave it on when playing in something closer to vanilla.

>>11155108
Just turn it off. IIRC DSDA-Doom's latest update lets you mouselook to your heart's content, anon.

>>11155149
>Just turn it off
can I turn it off selectively though?

>>11155149
I've just gotten used to doing the speedrun strat for Downtown. I dont SR50 to bump the key thru the door but doing the tower jump to get blue key and open blue door takes most of the shittiness out of the map since you can pretty much do whatever once you grab the invuln and the route is extremely straightfforward at that point.

>dsda source is hosted on git
>dsda binaries are hosted on some fucking google drive
but why?

>>11155181
DSDA is malware

>>11155170
Pretty sure ZDoom and friends do this, Nugget does it by a toggle and DSDA-Doom just turns it off if you enable freelook in the settings.

Nugget is kinda cool because you can turn it on and off with a keystroke.

>>11155017
>25yo memes
I award this highly professional episode 5 golden manbabies

>>11155149
>Sometimes I go looking around on Mod DB too, I know it's the equivalent of dumpster diving but sometimes I find something cool like Anomaly Deimos or Metal Ops: Premonitions. Both are cool and worth a play in their own right.
No shame in that, there's some pretty decent mods and maps lurking on there that just get silently uploaded.

So, if I wanted to avoid using gzdoom, but also chose to play mods its most compatible with, which sourceport would be the best?

>>11155215
There is no legitimate reason to not use GZDoom.

>>11155215
If it's stuff that uses Decorate and ACS, you can at least sometiems get away with Zandronum and ZDoom.

For Boom/MBF/MBF21/whatever there's a whole range of Nugget/DSDA/PrBoom/whatever.

>>11154881
AFAIK each and every Kex port acts as a wrapper. Quake, Dark Forces etc.

>>11155215
What >>11155217 said. GZDoom's pretty much the port for mods anyway, so you do the math.

There are some minor exceptions like Zandronum, but Zandro's codebase is quite old and won't run most GZ stufff rom say 2015 onwards - and that's being generous.

The biggest takeaway here is you shouldn't restrain yourself to only one port. I play vanilla as much as modded and I have like five of them lol

>DSDA-Doom for testing my maps
>Nugget Doom for playing stuff closer to vanilla
>GZDoom for fucking around with mods
>Zandronum in case I ever get friends to play with me (so never)
>Eternity, for playing Heartland and the one Eternity gameplay mod I know of lol

>>11155215
Stop falling for the memes. If you want mods, there's no reason to not use GZD.
For everything else there's Woof.
And what >>11155226 said. Sourceport autism is worse than console wars autism.

I see people don't like DSDA much round these parts of town, so what's the best sourceport for casual play? Is it still PrBoom or something else? Wanna know.

Actually, now that I mentioned Eternity I just remembered Mace was toying around with a mod for it. I think he put out a beta on Youtube or something but who knows if it's still up, so here you go: https://files.catbox.moe/c8ds41.pke

The guns reload and shit, it's pretty fun actually.

>>11155231
Woof/Nugget

>>11155237
ty

>>11155215
As anons have pointed out, if you want to avoid using GZDoom but want to play mods made for it, you have bigger much problems, like letting your opinions be swayed by random internet dorks. Nobody is in your house to watch and judge how you play Doom. Grow a dick have fun instead of trying to fit in. You are not any cooler or wiser for purposely avoiding something just because some retard who has never touched it told you it's stinky. But I guess (You) were asking for this anyway with that question.

>>11155234
It's sad that MBF21 killed a lot of momentum for giving Eternity mapping/modding a go.

One day I want to go back and finish my attempt at a Build-ish episode, maybe by then it might be still not finished.

>>11155231
DSDA's fine, it's just it got spammed a lot by some ecelebs and the endoom thing made some people very angry for some reason.

>>11155246
The developer is a major cunt who got mad his port is being used by non-speedrunners.

>>11155243
You know what's weird?

>GZDoom steals Eternity's thunder by absorbing its portal line specials
>MBF21 is (arguably) capable of doing more or less the same things Eternity can

Kinda feels like it's getting bullied. Will say Eternity's version of not-decorate seems more immediately flexible than Decohack at a glance, there's functions for altifres, reloading, zooming and the like in the keybindings. Decohack only lets you get away with Marathon-style reloading and hold-and-release "altfires" so far, from what I know.

>>11155252
He can stay mad, his port is mad comfy and enjoyable.

Actually, if DSDA-Doom is for speedrunners why the fuck does it even have jumping and its own UDMF namespace?

>>11155252
Separate art from the artist and all that
It's not like he profits from this anyway, he's free to hold whatever dumb opinion he likes

>>11155217
>>11155220
>>11155226
>>11155229
>>11155242
that was not a meme question
someone brought up gzdoom dropping support for its older mods and having to keep specific version binaries to make them work, that's the reason I'm asking if there's something more globally back-compatible

>>11155264
>Separate art from the artist and all that
His spite leaks into the port itself, so fuck him.

>Mephisto's Mausoleum as final map for Masturd levels
God damn it why?!
I did it once more for the ebin achievement, but damn it is shitty

>>11155271
I didn't take it for one, anon. Might have misunderstood it slightly, though.

Anyway, there's no one size fits all solution here. You really will have to track down older versions of GZ if you want specific mods to function correctly, because GZ dropping support for mods is something that happens often - and the egos ofthe zscriptfags won't help. I recall it was particularly egregious 10 or so years ago, mods were breaking on a daily basis and to my limited knowledge, Graf just had himself a big shrug and kept at it anyway.

Best to just stop on 4.11.3 for now. 4.12 is a buggy mess on my system and unless GZ has an update that improves its performance, I don't think I'll upgrade. It's not like there's anything for it I'm really interested in anyway.

gotta love this beta health bonus sprite, it looks so cool and kinda reminds me of the Ad mortem one. too bad they went for the boring ass blue potion.

>>11155271
It's not the sourceport's resposibility to keep backwards compatibility for MODS.
And frankly, this has never happened to me. I bet all the complaints are from fags using some esoteric version of some mods nobody but them played who then upgraded from some ancient version. And since this is 4chan, there's a lot of hyperbole in there.
Furthermore, nobody is forcing you to upgrade GZD, so if everything works, why would you upgrade just to complain? This is not some Microsoft product. Also, what >>11155242 said.
inb4 people accusing me of being Graf

>>11155271
>someone brought up gzdoom dropping support for its older mods
Ah yes, the commonly recurring problem of constantly broken compatibility with less than 5 total cases, all of mods that haven't been touched in years. Truly a concern to keep you awake at night. GZDoom isn't dropping support for anything, don't believe everything that gets posted here. I don't even know where the fags posting that keep spawning from. If mods aren't updated, they always run the chance of becoming outdated and potentially breaking down the line. I don't know why some of you faggots think this is a problem exclusive to Doom and not a fundamental issue of how software works. We've been over this dozens of times. Nothing that is actively developed is broken. And if it is, you can tell the developer to fix it.

>>11155298
Get with the times, Graf. It's more hip to get called Marisa these days.

>Marisa
>Graf
>actually coming here

I think Marisa would just catch fire the moment 4chan is mentioned lol

>>11155303
>And if it is, you can tell the developer to fix it.

>>11155307
Graf is a literal boomer.
I am actually surprised he hasn't abandoned GZD yet from all the retarded drama, but it's probably like his baby so he can't just let it be.

What I am also surprised about is why nobody has yet made a fork.
From all the people so disgruntled with it and obviously being star programmers, you should expect them to be able to make a less bloated version in like a weekend.

>>11155312
Right, I forgot the average waiting time for bugfixes for mods is roughly 8-9 business months. My condolences. Can't say I have that problem.

>>11155303
The difference here is that GZDoom exists solely for mods.

>>11152864
Xaser and Edward's interview about the new port is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks64hePUFqg

>>11152861
>[8-10] ID24: new specification built on top of MBF21, Docs and the video showcase in the links below.
>https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/146943
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCCFdOl_CP0
>Reset exits that force pistolstart without forcing the mapper to do workarounds to make it work like in 94 prots
>flexible music change linedefs
>rotating textures linedef actions
>flat/texture division removed, offsetting flats
>no limits on ammo types, weapons, new items
and creamiest of all:
>tracker music
very good, this means kino tracker music in new wads/my wad
my only qualms are making those mid tier monsters "official" by putting them in the spec (I know you dont have to use them or have their resources loaded, but still they are shitty and this gives them recognition as official, hope this won't mean a lot of people using them in new maps without putting the resources in)
Retards who are screaming "but this is just UDMF! muh purity" are stupid because none of GZDoom or udmf's advanced features are demo compatible, and this will be

>>11155261
>Actually, if DSDA-Doom is for speedrunners why the fuck does it even have jumping and its own UDMF namespace?
Unlike a lot of games, speedrunners don't just run vanilla shit.

>>11155320
And this is somehow supposed to apply quantum mechanics to its source code to allow it to keep going forward while remaining compatible forever and ever? It's still software and the same rules apply. The fact that we have code from 1998 bogging down the 2024 version proves precisely that. You can't plan ahead because there is no plan. It's a souce port. Features are added on a whim. Come on anon, it's not that hard. This "but muh mod focus" argument is just as full of shit as the "but muh doom focus" one. I know it's hard to accept the fact that most software, especially FOSS like GZDoom, doesn't work the way YOU want it to, but you don't really have a choice here.

>>11155320
>GZDoom exists solely for mods.
Graf thinks otherwise.

>>11155318
Technically there's a few forks, but I don't think any of them are actually worth using because they inherit most if not all of the issues.

LZDoom is the one that's actually interesting because it actually has a render distance cap for level geometry and things, but it stopped being maintained at some point in 2021 I think.

QZDoom is a thing that exists. I never used it much but some people seem to like it.

And then there's VKDoom which is just...there. I tried it once and it still lags to shit if you load maps with huge open spaces like Lost Civilization and Sunder in it, which is the one thing that kinda bothers me about GZ these days. I was surprised I got no lag when playing a slaughtermap with like 3k monsters, but this computer *is* pretty strong. VKDoom is probably just a gimmick port with a pretty lame-looking game being made for it.

There's also Hellion. I have no clue if that will have Decorate, ACS and/or ZScript support, but it seems pretty promising for the render cap stuff alone.

I'm sure some people mentioned this before but Selaco runs better than stock GZ because the devs just removed everything that wasn't needed to run UDMF maps and Zscript, I think? It's something to that effect.

Anyway, GZ's backend must be a fucking nightmare with so muh spaghetti code I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to tackle that much work without pay.

>>11155320
Ask me how I know you're some underage b& who doesn't know anything about anything.

>>11155329
The Ghouls are basically Ad Mortem's Gargoyles with a little extra health, they fit well with the rest of the roster.
The Vassago would fit well with AM's Satyrs too, making both of the Hell nobles far more interesting.

>>11155307
Marissa used to post here all the time, usually after doing some namesearching.

I hope to fuck that's not the case anymore.

>>11155334
My choice is using a different engine.

Can you stop namedropping gztrannies itt?
I'm eating.

>>11155329
I'll say this again this was made with Hexen and heretic in mind

>>11155342
Thought as much. I'm new to the board and don't know much about people in the Doom community, but I've lurked for a long time on ZDF so I know a little about events but boy, the April 2023 Marisa incident is just...man, what a shit. A big one, a grat one.

>>11155341
Yeah, good you mentioned AM because I think that's really one of the best if not the best additional monsters content in any pwad - custom monsters are good if they are:
>1. Actually filling a gap in existing roster like AM gargoyle, skellington and satyr, the naked revenant from I don't know where originally, plasma marine if he was a bit slower
>2. Are interesting - that LoR monster that has projectiles leaving environmental hazard, AM king boner and running rocket
>3. Are boss monsters - these don't really have to sit well with rest of D2 roster like 1., just have to be fun
>4. Just retextures of original ones with little to no changes if the pwad in question departs heavily from the original iwads' aesthetics

>>11155341
God I love AM's Gargoyles. Gargoyle clouds are so fun.

>>11155343
Ok. No one's going to stop you. Oh look, that are no other engines that follow this imaginary protocol for software development that you seem to believe exists out there. That's too bad, anon. Guess you'll just have to get used to the second best thing available: Zandronum. It never breaks mods! Maybe one day it will, but we'd all be dead by then. Look on the bright side, though, at least you have another year or two before Kegan stops working on GMOTA and you're left with just Complex Doom.

>>11155367
The skellington and satyr don't really fill any gaps, they're just fun to fight and make for more interesting combat scenarios. Conversely, the gargoyle totally does. It's a low-tier flying monster and yet another enemy you can place early on in a map that isn't tedious to kill with a pistol.

>>11155357
>but boy, the April 2023 Marisa incident is just...man, what a shit. A big one, a grat one.
being a newfag on /vr/ myself, surface search shows it's just the usual pedo shenanigans, nothing that big
was there something else?

>>11155382
>at least you have another year or two before Kegan stops working on GMOTA
Maybe he'll be be done with Kustam by then, you mean.

>>11155396
>nothing that big
>was there something else?
Turned out to be the one who had sexually harassed Term out of the community, while playing up being disgusted that somebody could do that to him.