/vr/ - Retro Games

>>11131568
>did this console have the most varied library at the time?
Maybe of that generation and it had the most though the Genesis gives it a run when you include Sega CD. Of all the Retro consoles the PS1 has quite the varied library.

>>11131650
>and it had the most
Games I mean.
>though the Genesis gives it a run when you include Sega CD
I mean in variety, SNES still has a lot more games, especially counting Japan only releases.

>>11131568
Probably the PS1 or PS2.
>>11131650
>Genesis gives it a run when you include Sega CD.
The only genre that had which wasn't on SNES was FMV shit.

>>11131721
>The only genre that had which wasn't on SNES was FMV shit.
It did add FMV and anime games but it also shored up the Genesis RPG library and added in some visual novel games. There was also a few good shooters, an extra Sonic title and some other games.

>>11131721
>The only genre that had which wasn't on SNES was FMV shit.
RTS? What are the snes equivalents of Dune and Herzog Zwei?

>>11131568
Three-way tie between SNES, Genesis, and TurboGrafx-16, but SNES did have the most games

>>11131650
>though the Genesis gives it a run when you include Sega CD
This is how I feel, basically. The only area it's still slightly lacking imo is puzzlers.

>>11131756
Super Famicom Wars and Fire Emblem, if you are Japanese. Idk enough about this genre but SEGA CD also had Dark Wizard

>>11131756
Those aren't Sega CD games.

>>11131568
At the time, yeah. Genesis was focused on arcade ports and action games, which makes sense given it’s US success, and the PC Engine was full of shmups and visual novels for a specific Japanese niche. SNES has the broadest library of the bunch.

That said, the PS1 and PS2 would change that by virtue of just being so fucking successful that almost every single third party game was out on them.

>>11131756
Neat SNES RTS games are the Sim games, Uncharted Waters: New Horizons, Der Langrisser, Bahamut Lagoon, Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen, Metal Marines, Nobunaga's Ambition, Romance of the Three Kingdoms III, Front Mission, Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War, Ball Bullet Gun, Populous, Utopia.

>>11131762
Not him, Dune did get a SEGA CD port, not an exclusive however

>>11131756
Anon, the SNES had a bunch of RTS games. They even made a mouse for it. >>11131769

>>11131769
>Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War
not an RTS

>>11131801
Being turn based seems like a minor nitpick imo.

there's only like 10 generous games worth playing on snes

>>11131810
Are you being funny?
>Real-time strategy
It's in the fucking name.

>>11131568
>snes
>only jarpigs
>tg16
>only shmups
>Neo geo
>only fightan
>sega
>only action games

honestly snes and genesis are about equal

>>11131901
Metal Slug is not a fighting game and Tokimeki Memorial is not a shmup nor an RPG. I agree they were about equal though. TG-16 as well when you throw in the CD add-on

The most varied and the best.

>>11132036
ludocore

>>11131568
I mean it had like 2x or 3x the library compared to md/pce

PS1 is the ultimate '90s console. Snezz lives in it's shadow.

>>11131568
in my experience yes

>>11132060
>has no good top down action RPGs
>has no good 2D platformers
No

>>11131769
Bahamut Lagoon is the faggiest shit I've ever seen.
Fuck you, byuu

>>11131810
It's one of the biggests lines between turn based strategy and real time strategy. So no, it isn't simply a nitpick. Have you played Age of Empires II or Starcraft?

>>11132087
>has no good 2D platformers
Rayman
Tomba!
I'm counting Symphony of the Night
Alundra
Legend of Mana
Valkyrie Profile
Brave Fencer Musashi
Tales of Destiny
Beyond the Beyond
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky
Arc the Lad 1&2
Daisenryaku Expert

>>11132114
Like I said, no good 2D platformers.

>>11132114
And also top down RPGs, I mean.

>>11131568
Lynx always felt like it had weird games with all its weird amiga ports and unusual artwork. 7800 was also weird because sega and nintendo are getting the popular arcade games as well as gameboy ports while atari just had odd stuff. One of the few normal games on lynx was lemmings.

>>11132117
Legend of Mana
Brave Fencer Musashi
Diablo
Alundra
Torneko
Darkstone
Monkey Hero

>>11132121
>while atari just had odd stuff.
They had E.T. the Extra Terrestrial, which was based and had SOVL

>>11132114
>counting sotn but not mentioning x4
the fug

>>11132060
While I do prefer PS1 now, it wouldn't exist without the SNES

>>11132150
Also Skullmonkeys, Disney's Hercules, Rapid Reload, Umihara Kawase Shun...

>>11132060
they are about equal in my mind
maybe ps1 is overall a little higher

both combined is better than basically anything else
you can play these 2 libraries pretty much forever and find new stuff (especially if you speak Japanese

>>11132036
I recognise that fucker Dragon Chan just from the thumbnail.

I think SNES was better, but PS1 had the most variety. It was in this spot where 3D was new, and people often tried new things from scratch. The sheer variety it produced was often crazy: full 3D, 3D characters + 2D BGs, sprites on 3D, 2.5D, and of course old school 2D. What's more, quirky experimental games like Parappa or Devil Dice could sell well. It was the time when anything could happen. DDR, Vib Ribbon, Tomba and more somehow existed on the same console as MGS and FF7. Arcade games were giving "console" games a run for their money.
Too bad that most of this died on PS2. It pretty much forced 3D on everything. Experimental games lost popularity, and everything moved in the direction of modern slop. You mostly saw AAA sequels, sports and racing, as well as tons of licensed games. And even Japan forgot about taste and got hooked on nothing but Koei slop and footy.
Still, people pretend PS2 was the best console ever, yet can't name a single good exclusive for it that is relevant today and hasn't aged like shit. All you hear is "everyone was playing footy and racing". Wow, what a fucking masterpiece of a console.

PSX has every genre covered in both 2D and 3D

>>11131568
Pretty sure most of the SNES library is platformer shivelware. Decent range of RPGs but shit selection of shooters.

>>11131568
The other consoles do if you count the addons. Even the 32x has tempo which is a decent platformer.

>>11132587
What are you talking about?

There were tons of PS2 games that experimented with new things.
Ico, SotC, Katamari, Disaster Report, God Hand, Indigo Prophecy, Guitar Hero (easy to forget that this was a unique twist on the rhythm game genre before the millions of sequels) , Killer 7, Rez, Monster Hunter, Siren, ...

>>11132730
Those picks are experimental, but
1) they're an island in a sea of sequels
2) most of these weren't even in top 150 best sellers on the system, I'm not even mentioning Killer 7 and God Hand which were notorious sales flops. Sure, they became cult hits, but not actual "hits". Btw, I was kind of surprised that neither Ico or SotC really sold that much on PS2.
3) I said "exclusives". Killer 7 was on GC. GH is hardly even associated with PS2 today, it got ported everywhere very quickly, also you probably understand today after 100 versions the game hardly feels unique anymore.

>>11132857
>I said "exclusives".
You mentioned games that weren't exclusive like DDR.

>>11132587
>>11132857
Total shithead posts, not even worth entertaining.

>>11132860
Yes, but I never made this rule for PS1, and anyway, there was what, some lame Disney DDR for N64 that only came out in Japan? It's kind of different from something like Tony Hawk that was widely available on most platforms.
>>11132865
I'm sorry for insulting your footy game machine

>>11132867
>Yes, but I never made this rule for PS1
>rules for thee but not for me

DDR was an arcade port.

It's surprising they still make assholes this retarded but at least people are just mocking him now.

>>11132872
And? I already said this, PS1 had a lot of arcade ports and they sold a fuckload.
>>11132879
No argument, no nothing. PS2 truly is the greatest console of all time. Because of Rez that no one played or enjoyed, yeah. Luv me footy, luv me racing, simple as

>still chirping on about sales
lmao dumb fuck still doesn't get it

>>11132889
Yeah sure tardo, my favorite experimental game is GTA3
Try Halo, another experimental game, my favorite

>>11131771
I remember playing dune on a Sega cartridge. I never returned it to the rental place.

>>11132036
>umihara kawase
don't snes fans hate this game with a passion? Every Nintendo guy I mentioned the game to ends up calling me a poser for liking it.

>>11132893
How many other games were like GTAIII before GTAIII that wasn't developed by DMA Designs?

>>11133194
Driver

>>11133054
You could try not being an obnoxious retard, then people wouldn't call you names.

>>11133210
I only meet people the way they meet me, so if you're going to be a faggot don't be surprised when you're condescended to.

>>11133194
Well, see, that's similar to GH. It's barely possible to feel it's "experimental" today. I will say that Ico or SotC still feel unique and special, many years later. But saying GTA3 is experimental or unique sounds like a joke in 2024. Especially since its influence is largely responsible for the modern games as we know them—AAA open world cancer, the reason why people play retro games. Was it "groundbreaking for its time"—absolutely, unique even today—just no.
And btw, that's imo, but at least Vice City doesn't hold up at all. The atmosphere is great, sure, but driving around town gets old in an hour. The only interesting part is completing the missions. When I was a kid, it felt much larger, but in reality it's just half empty and not really deep at all. There's gonna be walls of cope responses, but it's just not the same as in 2000s anymore.

>>11133209
A level based game? No, not really.

>>11133298
Driver 1&2 both have a free roam mode. So does Midtown Madness 1&2.

>>11133303
And it has many accessible missions at once and a comprehensive move set for your character outside of the car and it isn't just vehicle only missions?

>>11133314
>a comprehensive move set for your character outside of the car
GTA 3 certainly doesn't have this. The on foot gameplay would have been considered dogshit in 1996, let alone 2001.

>>11132857
SNES was the sequel platform.

>>11132647
>Cotton 100%
>Darius Twin
>Gradius III
>Parodius series
>Pocky and Rocky series
>R-Type
I like SEGA, PS1, and TurboGrafx btw

>>11132058
no it didn't

>>11132087
Yes it does. not my fault you never bothered to look

>>11132857
and? none of that is relevant, shitskin

>>11132036
>Pocky and Rocky 2
When the fuck

>>11131568
It was the first game console with both a large and varied quantity of quality games

>>11134236
It's one of the rarest western SNES games. Not as good as the first but it's still worth playing.

Honestly not big on the PS1. 3D on it is generally ugly as sin aside from a couple key studios who basically hacked the hardware to make it work (Naughty Dog). On the other hand it's 2D games are seriously gimped by it being a 3D-focused CD console. Under ideal circumstances it can have bigger, more colorful sprites, but enjoy the long ass loading times, garbage voice dubs, and pointless FMVs. SNES really struck the sweet spot for power in my opinion enabling beautiful games without allowing devs to get retarded.I'll take most NES games over most PS1 games.

>>11134246
nah. you're just grasping at straws. the 2d on ps1 shits on snes and 64.

>>11135023
Problem is that the biggest budgets and talents went to do 3D games. As a result the majority of the best games are 3D (and unfortunately suffer from the early garbage 3D look)
The number of top teams doing 2D was very small, and as a result there are just a few good 2D games for the system.
Compare that to 4th gen which has loads and loads of amazing 2D games and it becomes clear that the PS1 is seriously underperforming in that aspect.
Posting a single screenshot of BoF won't change that.

Comparing SNES in game variety to the 5th gen consoles is a joke. The jump to 3D was phenomenal for discovering the new kinds of gameplay you could make and both PSX and Saturn were able to offer solid selections of 2D games as well. The change between the 3rd and the 4th gens was much less radical and nearly every genre of games on SNES you could've played on NES before. It just offered more fancy graphics, sometimes more polish and various gimmicks. One could argue that some genres like 2D platformers had peaked on NES and the 4th gen was a downgrade in terms of gameplay. The only really new thing that SNES had over NES was the ability to run some PC ports like Doom although it did it very poorly. And it wasn't even capable of running any RTS games unlike Genesis that had Dune.

>>11135029
How does any of what you said prove that his art isn't objectively better than any 2D sprite work on the SNES?

>>11135092
>And it wasn't even capable of running any RTS games
Metal Marines

>>11135125
That screenshot was a response to a previous comment that didn't exclude the PS1 from having better sprite art, but with remarks
>Under ideal circumstances it can have bigger, more colorful sprites, but enjoy the long ass loading times, garbage voice dubs, and pointless FMVs.
Again looking at a single game (or a few games) is irrelevant if the overal 2D library is lacking on the platform.
The Jaguar can do better 2D than the snes & genesis (see Rayman) but that doesn't mean I'd pick one over a 4th gen system.

>>11135092
op here, just want to clarify that by "at the time" i meant during the 4th gen, not just any given console's respective era. but whatever lol

>>11133319
shut up

>>11131568
Nah, both the NES and PS1 had more, since they were a lot more experimental, one was when the 2D stuff was figuring itself out, and the other is the real start of 3D for most, SNES is when 2D at the time was already somewhat figured out and only needed polish, so it has less variery overall...

>>11135029
There's plenty of good 2D games on the system.

and the early 3D looks fucking great, only slop games like sportsball look bad.

Again, you talk like someone who hasn't actually played very many games at all, you just repeat stupid shit you heard from others (usually faggots on plebbit).

>>11131568
>did this console have the most varied library at the time?
Who comes up with this shit? The SNES library is hyperfocused on very few niche genres, early JRPG's (PlayStation ones are better), horse racing, pachinko slots, and not much else. It had few worthwhile platform games (mostly the Nintendo IP's that you would expect), no worthwhile shooters or BEUs or gunners, and a virtually nonexisting action games library. It wasn't the most varied of it's own generation, and it certainly can't hold up to newer systems like the PlayStation or PS2 which have vastly more actual variety and quality games to choose from in a multitude of genres. The SNES is an underwhelming one-trick pony, and once you play Mario, Zelda, Metroid, then you've seen all it really has to offer anyone.

>>11135157
most ps1 games don't have voice acting at all, zoomer faggot.

ps1 2D and 2.5D vs snes 2D:
Alundra, Brave Prove, Community Pom, Robin Lloyd, > LLTP
Assault Suits Valken 2 > ASV1
Asuncia,
Baroque > wizardry
FF Tactics, FEDA 2, Front Mission 2, Langrisser 4/5, Tear Ring Saga, Black Matrix, Ecsaform, Brigandine, Growlanser, Saiyuki, > Tactics Ogre, FEDA 1, Front Mission 1, Langrisser 2, Fire Emblem,
Breath of Fire 3 and 4 > 1&2
Castlevania Chronicles > CV4
SOTN > Super Metroid
Darius Gaiden > 3
Elemental Gearbolt > yoshi safari
Fantastic Pinball Kyuutenkai > Jaki
Goemon Akogingu > Goemon 4
Gex 1, Rayman 1, Tomba 1&2, > DKC
Harmful Park, Sexy Parodius, Time Bokan, > Parodius 1-4
lunar 1&2, Persona 1&2, Rhapsody, Saga Frontier 1&2, suiokoden 1&2, thousand arms, valkyrie profile, xenogears, > insert random jarpig slop here
Mega Man 8 > MM7
Oddworld > Prince of Persia
Policenauts > boku no faggot
star ocean 2 > 1
Tales of phantasia ps1 > snes
strider 2 > 1
firemen 2 > 1

Snoys are pathetic

>>11135657
>Castlevania Chronicles > CV4
This one is very tricky for me. I like both games a lot for different reasons. Chronicles' soundtracks are fantastic, though CV4 has a nice slower paced atmospheric feel and seems a bit more relaxed.
>SOTN > Super Metroid
Agree
>Gex 1, Rayman 1, Tomba 1&2, > DKC
They're not really the same, closest thing PS1 has is still Crash Bandicoot even though it's 3D. I prefer DKC but they're both great imo
>Harmful Park, Sexy Parodius, Time Bokan, > Parodius 1-4
PS1 Parodius is also better in general lol
>strider 2 > 1
I still need to play Strider 2, it looks sick

They're still both great consoles but PS1's library is nearly endless

>>11135643
the pc-engine was way better for shmups but pretending that it had none at all is retarded.

>>11134103
yes it did 1800 vs 900 on the md and around 650 on the pce

>>11135643
>no worthwhile shooters or BEUs or gunners, and a virtually nonexisting action games library
what a fucking retard

>>11135657
Nice bait.
Only a true fanboy can have an obsessed opinion like yours.
>>11135627
>and the early 3D looks fucking great, only slop games like sportsball look bad.
Lol no, unstable warping shit running at a glorious 240p is like the atari2600 era of 3D.
3D at home didn't get good until the first voodoo cards came out

>>11135657
Lmao imagine being so obsessed with console warring vs SNES and posting retarded comparisons like this

>>11135657
>Assault Suits Valken 2 > ASV1
lol stopped reading there, work harder on your bait shitter

>>11135657
>these cookie-cutter zelda clones are better than the real thing
those aren't even as good as alcahest

>>11135740
lttp sucks dick. not even top 5 2d zeldas

>>11135724
the topic
is about graphics you illiterate nigger
>>11135720
he wrecked you sister. cope

>>11135657
Based, correct, and the games on the right aren't worth playing because of the better PlayStation alternatives.
>>11135705
There isn't a single worthwhile one on SNES. Not even one. They all suck and the shit 2.68 mhz CPU was the reason, it just could not hold up for that genre.

>>11135717
another second hand opinion you got from faggots on plebbit.
didn't hold up to reality at all

>>11135745
valken 2 is an ugly 3d game retarded ass nigger

>>11135747
>doesn't like axelay
ok fag
also snes is a way better console for beat em ups what the fuck are you talking about, genesis only really had streets of rage

>>11135747
2d games on the playstation aren't worth playing because the saturn versions are better.

>>11135757
he's just auster playing snoy to seethe over nintendo yet again

>>11135742
still better than cookie-cutter ps1 shit

>>11135763
Zelda games are really bad, so no.

>>11135763
You never played them.

>>11135765
>popular thing bad
mental illness

>>11135761
of course this shit thread has the schizo tendy that screams about an Australian boogie man in every thread... you're such a blight upon this board

>>11135757
beat em ups are a shit genre
didn't get good until the modern ones where they add some actual fucking move variety

>>11131761
>>11131756
>two people calling Fire Emblem an RTS
Are you guys 4 years old or just really desperately fishing for examples wtf

>>11135750
ps1 2D and 2.5D vs snes 2D:
Alundra, Brave Prove, Community Pom, Robin Lloyd, > LLTP
Baroque > wizardry
FF Tactics > Tactics ogre
FEDA 2 > 1
Front Mission 2 > 1
Langrisser 4/5 > 2
Tear Ring Saga > Fire Emblem
Black Matrix, Ecsaform, Brigandine, Growlanser, Saiyuki, > whatever
Breath of Fire 3 and 4 > 1&2
Castlevania Chronicles > CV4
SOTN > Super Metroid
Darius Gaiden > 3
Elemental Gearbolt > yoshi safari
Kyuutenkai > Jaki crush
Goemon Akogingu > Goemon 4
Gex 1, Rayman 1, Tomba 1&2, > DKC
Harmful Park, Sexy Parodius, Time Bokan, > Parodius 1-4
lunar 1&2, Persona 1&2, Rhapsody, Saga Frontier 1&2, suiokoden 1&2, thousand arms, valkyrie profile, xenogears, > insert random jarpig slop here
Mega Man 8 > MM7
Oddworld > Prince of Persia
Policenauts > boku no faggot
star ocean 2 > 1
Tales of phantasia ps1 > snes
strider 2 > 1
firemen 2 > 1

>>11135778
>tendy
talk about schizo boogieman

>>11135785
Cool saturn games, but what does that have to do with the ps1?

>>11135785
yep list is still trash, try harder

>>11135785
>Reposts his idiocy
Bravo

>>11135775
yes i did, one was pedo trash and the other a mediocre quintet clone, snes had much more interesting arpgs like actraiser, evo alcahest and firestriker

>>11135759
The "inferior" versions of 2D games on the PlayStation are still leagues ahead of what the SNES has and it's not even close.

>>11135803
Sorry but you said it yourself, if there are better alternatives then it doesn't count.

>HURR DURR WEDFIT TOWD ME DA PEE ES WUN AINT FINNA GOTZ NO 2D GAMEZ N SHHIIIT NIGGA!!!

Lomax
Alundra
Arc the Lad 1-3
Samurai Shodown 3
Breath of Fire 3&4
Brigandine
Castlevania Chronicles & Symphony
Command & Conquer: Red Alert
DarkStalkers 3
Discworld 1&2
Final Fantasy Tactics
Gekioh
Gex
Guilty Gear
Heart of Darkness
Herc's Adventures
In The Hunt
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Kartia
King of Fighters 95 & 99
Legend of Mana
Lunar 1&2
Marvel Super Heroes
Marvel vs. Capcom
Master of Monsters
Mega Man 8, X4-X6
Metal Slug X
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Oddworld Exoddus & Oddyssey
Persona 1&2
Philosoma
Point Blank 1-3
Rampage 2
Rayman
Rhapsody
SaGa Frontier 1&2
Saiyuki
Silhouette Mirage
Skullmonkeys
Street Fighter Alpha 1-3
Strider 2
Suikoden 1&2
Tales of Phantasia, Destiny, Eternia
Tomba 1 & 2
Valkyrie Profile
Vandal Hearts 1 & 2
Viewpoint
Worms Armageddon

>>11135795
evo alcahest and fire striker fucking suck
mediocre low budget slop

You haven't played them

>>11135806
Thanks for the sega saturn recommendations! I've been looking for more games to play on sega's underrated machine.

>>11135795
>actraiser
Slowest, most mindless, totally boring city builder segments you've ever seen which makes the game a total slog to play. Even without those, it's a mid clone of Valis.
>evo
LOL it's not even remotely good. This is what's funny about SNES drones, any time you press them on something worth playing that's not the usual Mario, Zelda, Metroid, they begin throwing these shit lists filled with absolutely horrible, borderline unplayable trash, which they haven't even played themselves, they simply throw the names out there to make they're system look more "impressive". It's such a shallow act and it's so obvious every time, you should just stick with spamming Zelda like you're N64 and GameCube brothers instead of embarrassing yourself like this.

>>11135806
>Lomax
that's like saying toy story is a top 5 snes platformer, that's how low your standards are

>>11135805
Yes. There's better alternatives on the PlayStation and the Saturn which make the vastly inferior SNES games they replace not worth playing anymore. Thanks for participating.

>>11135808
>>11135812
>cool innovative thing is actually le bad because nintendo
mental illness

>>11135815
There's better alternatives on the Saturn which make the vastly inferior PlayStation games they replace not worth playing anymore.

>>11135817
It's funny you believe this is some kind of cleaver "gotcha". Sure buddy, you win, go play Saturn instead of SNES. You sure showed me.

>>11135821
What's stopping me from playing both?

>>11135812
>it's a mid clone of Valis.
Bro the only Valis that's not trash is 3, and that's just a mediocre castlevania clone.
>begin throwing these shit lists filled with absolutely horrible, borderline unplayable trash
Case in point

>>11135831
>just screams trash at every game he's never even played
>he's a tendie so that's basically everything

You plebbit faggots barely even touch 3rd party games on your tendy consoles ffs

>>11135839
Valis is trash and no amount of projecting schizo will save that friendo

Sony was never good

>bix nood nigga, da pee ez wun aint got no 2d!
*anon lists a shit ton of 2d games*
>shit nigga, dem shits aint skibbidy bussin fr fr no cap so deyz aint count!

>>11135823
Nothing is "stopping you", but the Saturn is based and the shit SNES is cringe, so, choose accordingly. Hope this helps!

>>11135859
Segay cope

>>11135859
What do you mean choose? Why do I need to choose?

>>11135859
True and based

>>11135868
Yes, autism is a choice.

Notice how it's always sega and sony fanboys shitting up the board.

>>11135871
Why do you keep saying I need to choose between the two when I can have both?

>>11135876
so which one are you faggot?
you will never, and i mean never, be a woman.

>>11135806
>has to list downgraded arcade ports and genuine shovelware like Rampage 2
Yikes.

>>11135806
>Here is proof the PS1 has 2D games! It doesn't matter most of them are mediocre shit at best. Stop moving your goalpost!
Kek

>>11136030
Meh, better than the snes 2d games

>>11136054
Lol

>>11131721
They're different eras. Dumb comparison

Sega Genesis and Snes are tied or really close. Snes is a little more powerful but not by a lot

>>11136074
>Snes is a little more powerful
It's actually far less powerful. CPU is 1/3 the speed, graphics are lower resolution and with worst sprite capabilities and colour reproduction, audios are muffled and low bitrate. The Mega Drive was doing things on stock hardware that the SNES struggled to do even with chips, and this extra boost of power is what enabled the Mega Drive to have a far higher quality of library despite not having the sheer quantity.

>>11136086
Post colors, segay.

>>11136086
SNES has a better library because it got more Japanese support. Genesis focused too much on American and British shovelware and disposable sportsball trash, hence why it completely flopped in Japan.

>>11131781
>>11131769
No, that was a list of turn based shit and Populous 2.
The mouse was made for Mario paint and the compatibility to other stuff was an afterthought.

>>11135779
For the arcades they were good though

>>11135810
Biggest reason I've heard people didn't like saturn is the low framerates. Not sure if that's true or not though

>>11136086
I really don't care what of these wins and thought they were both good back then. I only lean toward sega because of the originality and creativity. Everyone acted like snes was the winner back in the day because of the clarity and colors. I still thought sega had great stuff for it though and played it the same amount if not more

>>11136086
>The Mega Drive was doing things on stock hardware that the SNES struggled to do even with chips

>>11136416
both consoles had their strengths and weaknesses but autistic console warriors on /vr/ have to pretend that there's powerlevels like dbz because otherwise it doesn't make sense

>>11131756
>RTS
Found one lol

>>11136208
MD failed in Japan because Nintendo owned majority stake in the biggest electronics retailer and threatened numerous smaller ones with pulling their stock if they sold Sega.

>>11136537
And yet the PC Engine and later PlayStation succeeded. Sounds like fanfiction.

>>11136553
The power of being a bigger corporation than Nintendo

>>11136537
MD failed in Japan because its launch wasn't good and put such a black spot in the brand it never recovered. Fucking Auster-wannabe, die.

>>11135876
Just like /v/, minus Sega.

>>11136553
>the only companies that could compete with nintendo were big electronics companies
This only supports his point.

>>11136738
So then why would Nintendo feel threatened enough to do that fanfiction bullshit in the first place? And why did the Genesis flop while Sega successful in the arcades and with the Saturn? Dumbass.

>>11136738
They succeeded because they had games the japs cared about, you fucking retard.

>>11136086
Looking at the games side by side you can see how the older VDP limited what Genesis could do visually.

>>11136086
>and colour reproduction

snes is the only system of the 3 that consistently produced 100+ simultaneous colo counts

on the genesis it was impossible and on the pc engine it was rare (higher theoretical color count but hugely limited by the palette which was same size as megadrive)

>>11136914
You're comparing 1991 games to 1989 games.

>>11136928
They're both from each console's first full year on the market.

>>11131568
Saturn and PSX have it beat

Yes.