/vr/ - Retro Games

>>11059081
These days I'd say, real CRT + PCSX2 is the best experience. The small amount of games that have problems with hardware renderer also all work with the software renderer.

>>11059081
https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22GS%3A+Software%22

>>11059084
>real crt
it is an impossible task to buy a good crt in Russia
>The small amount of games that have problems with hardware renderer
I play some pretty popular games and constantly seeing texture lags or shit with light or bloom
>>11059085
Got it, gonna order gbs-c tomorrow

>>11059085
Yes, don't use the old releases, the most progress PS2 emulation has had was in the last 3-4 years, get the up-to-date PCSX2 nightly.
Like 1.6.0, that's the last official stable, is from 2020, meanwhile 1.7.5 is from last month.

The less-than-two pages of problems you linked also have per-game fixes for most games, even with the old release.

>>11059098
>I play some pretty popular games and constantly seeing texture lags or shit with light or bloom
See above.

>it is an impossible task to buy a good crt in Russia
Doesn't have to be "good", even entry level VGA CRT will work for PS2 or any CRT TV with SCART, a lot of Russian CRT models still got SCART thanks to Europe.

>>11059114
>a lot of Russian CRT models still got SCART thanks to Europe.
Doesn't help me see The End in the grass, or Persona 4 main menu in the right color palette.

>>11059123
It just makes hooking up a PC to a CRT TV easier.

>>11059081
buy several PS2s or you might run into issues with some games

>>11059085
PS2 emulation has better compatibility than literally different revisions of PS2s from Sony

>>11059081
i have never in all my years emulated a playstation 2 game successfully
no experience was worth my time or effort or risk involved
original hardware is a must for anything newer than playstation 1 games
emulating games is garbage

emulate nigga, way cheaper and better performance and most importantly CONVENIENCE
picrel: emulated SH3

>>11059081
I have a 16tb US and Japan fullset and haven't ran into any major issues using software mode. Ive seen like one or two broken textures in a menu on some random japanese game nobody will ever play. It genuinely does just work and will only get better. Just don't be a retard and get the nightly build and youll have a good time, I think most people still think PCSX2 sucks because they get the almost decade old stable build.

>>11059179
>I think most people still think PCSX2 sucks because they get the almost decade old stable build.
This

>>11059081
Biggest issue with PS2 emulation is the input lag, but I don't care about the console enough to invest in a real hardware solution

>>11059190
what input lag?

>>11059190
I have literally lower latency than real hardware :^)

>>11059114
>Yes, don't use the old releases
I don't think you understand how Github works, all of the open issues are stuff that haven't been fixed in the master branch, not the stable branch. So basically everything you see there is still an on-going issue with the Software renderer (and some of the titles there aren't even obscure random import japshit, a lot of mainstream PS2 titles have graphical issues that aren't resolved). It's the like infamous RE1 emulation glitch on PS1 emulators, where the picture frame above the fireplace is completely white even after all of these decades of emulation "improvements".

>>11059138
Sounds like a personal problem, old man. Works on my machine. Upgrade from Windows XP.

>>11059190
>Biggest issue with PS2 emulation is the input lag

>>11059085
>>11059203
You absolute retard, you posted: is:open is:issue label:"GS: Software"

You should have searched for: is:open is:issue label:"GS: Software" label:"GS: Hardware"

Since most games on that list work with EITHER software or hardware mode, but have problems with one or the other, in reality games that have problems with both is smaller.

Also go trough each issue ONE BY ONE, you'll see that some are miss reported, several listings on that list actually have problems with only hardware renderer, even though they are tagged with both software and hardware.

In reality the the list of games that have PROBLEMS / GLITCHES is about 2/3'rds of pic related, note that they are still playable, just with graphical issues.
That's like 8 games that have problems with emulation, literally shorter than the list of PS2 games that have problems between different PS2 models/revisions.

>>11059081
>So, do I have to spend $50 on a console, $80 on a gbs-c, $20 on a pad
I did all of this. Not worth your time and money since the PCSX2 is already superior to the real hardware for multiple reasons.

>>11059236
>You should have searched for: is:open is:issue label:"GS: Software" label:"GS: Hardware"
No? The OP asked if he can just use the software renderer and get away with not buying real hardware. The answer is: No.

If you want things to "just work", you buy original hardware. You can't just set Software rendering and call it day, because there are a shitton of mainstream PS2 titles that suffer from software rendering issues.

>t-then JUST USE THE HARDWARE RENDERER!!
Oh boy, you don't want to see all of the issue *that* has.

>>11059271
zamn nigga that looks better than the remastered releases

>>11059295
>No? The OP asked if he can just use the software renderer and get away with not buying real hardware. The answer is: No.
And you posted something that made zero sense.

>If you want things to "just work", you buy original hardware.
Nice joke, there's literally games that have problems on Slims and vise versa. OP better buy several PS2s then.

>You can't just set Software rendering and call it day, because there are a shitton of mainstream PS2 titles that suffer from software rendering issues.
Yeah, you do 2 more clicks and create a profile for the game, it takes 5 seconds and isn't hard, specially since 99% don't even require any manual configuration, so it's only one game in a hundred that requires any manual configuration. WOW so hard!

>Oh boy, you don't want to see all of the issue *that* has.
What? Almost all games work fine these days with hardware renderer, the very point was outside of a few exceptions, those that don't, work with software renderer.

>>11059331
Honest question, are a PCSX2 dev? You seem way too invested in this when the most logical thing that OP should do is just buy a PS2. Not everyone wants to babysit your shit software when all they want to do is play some games.

>>11059340
>Honest question, are a PCSX2 dev?
English, learn it.

Also no, I just hate dumb bullshit with a passion, specially by absolute retards who have no idea what they are even talking about.

>>just buy a PS2
>plus upscaler
>plus pad receiver
While still having actually worse experience and compatibility.

>>11059114
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>>11059331
OP reporting. Also im to bother to capture Castlevania, MGS3, and all other games which visually dead on hardware.

>>11059340
>no actual arguments to any of the point
lol

>>11059348
Ok so yeah, you have a vested interest in this and you're REALLY bad at hiding it. You should go fix your emulator first instead of having random melties on /vr/.

>>11059350
>on hardware.
on hardware rendering i mean ofcourse

>>11059271
I was going to post a soulless bait but the bottom image looks really good.

>>11059353
So your argument is a made up scenario in your head?

>>11059098
>he spawned in R*ssia
KEK! at this point just play Dendy lmao

>>11059350
Keep emulating Ivan-kun it costs 0 roubles, plus you never know when you'll get drafted.

>>11059361
You're really mad for some reason. Touched a nerve perhaps?

>>11059350
>>11059356
>on hardware
did you even read any of the posts you replied to kek

>>11059364
Yeah, by posting retarded shitposts. At least I hope you're just pretending and not actually retarded on this topic.

>>11059363
>Keep emulating Ivan-kun it costs 0 roubles,
I have enough rubles to buy and fuck to death all ur family, that's why i ask should i bother with real hardware or not. Faggot.
>plus you never know when you'll get drafted.
Two more weeks 4sure.
>>11059362
Almost all ppl who still play dendy in Ru have mental illness or something like that.
>>11059368
Nope.

>>11059271
Do people do this really? I play everything at native resolution with CRT shaders. I guess that's just me though.

>>11059378
good luck, I just watched videos on /gif/ of russian fags being forced by their own superiors to taken down known booby trapped Ukrainian flags and then blow into red mist, fun

>>11059378
Seeing as you haven't even got the money for a shitty CRT TV, well... whatever makes you feel better, comrade.

>>11059380
Doesn't feel like it help much in 3D games.
>>11059382
2 more weeks
>>11059383
where did i say that? on cnn?

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>>11059393
yuck filters look awful but so does ps2 on a flatscreen

>>11059213
That anon is correct. Fighting games are a complete no-go when it comes to PS2 emulation.

>>11059195
The huge amount of it.
>>11059197
Unless there has been some huge new development, no you don't. This is a well known drawback of ps2 emulation.

>>11059406
>>11059408
>not running 30 FPS game with 120 FPS patch on real CRT monitor at 120Hz
lmao enjoy your lag fags

>>11059414
You can't do that with a fighting game or a rhythm game, the two genres where input lag matters the most.

Also running your game in 120 fps won't necessarily do anything to help input lag.

>>11059395
you better sit down because i play like this on a 16 bit consoles

>>11059420
>You can't do that with a fighting game or a rhythm game, the two genres where input lag matters the most.
i can and i do

>Also running your game in 120 fps won't necessarily do anything to help input lag.
worst case when you have 3-4 frames of lag, it easily makes up for it and can even be lower than an actual ps2

>>11059406
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>>11059427
What input lag? I have a universal Arduino based latency meter and on a CRT, both emulation and real PlayStation 2 are within error rate.

>>11059427
>worst case when you have 3-4 frames of lag, it easily makes up for it and can even be lower than an actual ps2
nigga, no way mgs3 have such massive lag as it is on pcsx2, ps2 version already crap by itself don't make it sound worst that it was

>>11059438
you realize pcsx2 can run games with better performance than an actual ps2 without even using framerate patches etc?

>>11059081
Dude, save your money and buy a Steam Deck and install EmuDeck. And then go to their Patreon and support these motherfuckers because they deserve it. There's only three people I've ever sent Patreon money to and these guys are one of them.

I'm telling you, I tried PCSX2 on PC and couldn't even get GOW to look right (had lines running through it). Took constant tweaking forever to get rid of them. EmuDeck it worked perfectly first try. I don't know why, I just know it did.

Then buy a cheap USB-C to HDMI dock that has USB 3 connectors and USB-C charging hookup and a cheap JSAUX, and boom, you know have a dock to play on TV/monitor.

https://youtu.be/23ZodrKmXuw?t=828

If you can afford it, get the OLED.

>>11059464
EmuDeck literally uses PCSX2, says it on their site even. You just had configuration problems.

>>11059464
>dude save ur money
>instead of full setup with original hardware and best ps2 upscaler for 150$
>buy steam deck oled for 1000$
>with retroarch
>like you can't just buy oled monitor
>and download retroarch

>>11059476
dude can't just buy oled and stole scripts (if they even exist and even do something) from that firmware

>>11059484
steal what scripts? it just uses software mode by default

Real hardware is masochism

>>11059491
At least light effects on hardware exist and not just yellow texture....

>>11059084
I don't think that CRT computer monitors support interlaced video, I don't think that PCSX2 can output interlaced video. And CRT's only advantage is displaying properly interlaced video. If you want to use emulation, just use a LCD screen.

>>11059980
>CRT's only advantage is displaying properly interlaced video
How about properly displaying composite video

>>11059382
oinnk shouldn't you be in a trench by now

>>11059980
>I don't think that CRT computer monitors support interlaced video
They do.

>I don't think that PCSX2 can output interlaced video
It can.

>>11059980
>>11060168
You can do it, but there's no point when you can just do progressive 480p in both PCSX2 and a VGA CRT monitor

>>11059084
>real CRT
>with an emulator
It's a lot less trouble to just get a real PS2 if you're gonna be doing that.

>>11060198
>2024
>thinks using a CRT TV with a computer is still trouble
and you can use it for a lot more than just PS2

>>11060214
OK, so what makes it so easy for you then? What makes it easier than just plugging in a fucking PS2?

>>11060303
HDMI/VGA to RCA converters, retard.

>>11060318
Do any of those do proper 240p? Most only do 480i. If you're only getting 480i then what's the fucking point?

>>11060326
If it works it works. Composite looks like underwater blurry shit anyway.

>>11060330
I guess I shouldn't expect more from someone who's fine with playing emulators through a cheap converter. Have fun with that.

>>11059085
>33 open issues
That's incredibly good for a project of this caliber.

>>11059123
Not gonna spot The End in the grass on some 10 inch PVMeme either unless you're using infrared goggles.

>>11059380
HAHAHAHA am i the only one who thinks Alife manly jaw looks stupid as fuck

>>11060330
It doesn't.
Even 240p composhit looks different than 480i composhit

>>11059378
>I have enough rubles to buy and fuck to death all ur family
>Doesn't have money for a CRT
I have enough Rubles to afford a CRT with 1 US dollar comrade and I don't have to die in east Ukraine to get one

>>11059378
Ivan. Keep doing the Lord's work and erase the stinking holhols from existence!

>>11059084
>CRT + PCSX2 is the best experience.
Dumbest statement ever related to ps2 emulation
PCSX2 has deirterlancing, dumbfuck...

>>11059098
>it is an impossible task to buy a good crt in Russia
shaders are pretty good desu. I had a shitty crt and some of the shaders look better than it

>>11059138
I think you are just retarded and nobody should waste time explaining anything to you

>>11061387
You can turn that off, dumbfuck

PCSX2 is basically a perfect PS2 emulator these days.

>>11059081
>PCSX2 + VRR

>>11062152
no, it's still a mess that doesn't work half the time but at least it's not 1.6 anymore, which was a real pos.
PPSSPP is a perfect PSP emulator. Dolphin is practically perfect for Gamecube/Wii. PCSX2 does not even play in the same league as those two.

>>11062305
Basically every game works and can use hardware rendering properly though, and if it doesn't in a case you can just change back to software rendering. The latest nightlies are amazingly solid.

>>11059081
If you're not using a CRT just emulate the PS2. All that memetek just to show a sharp digital PS2 image which is actually the last thing you want.