/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10413464
https://archive.org/details/shadow-warrior-mapping-kit

/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
BETA V2: https://files.catbox.moe/tc0rgk.wad

Fraggot (Deathmatch session is scheduled for June 2)
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : UDMF
RC1: https://files.catbox.moe/3nq7bg.zip

=== NEWS ===
[6-17] Fraggot is on IDgames!
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/deathmatch/Ports/d-f/fraggot

[6-13] Gore Nuggets released
https://skelegant.itch.io/gorenuggets

[6-10] Tomb of Thunder updated to version 1.03
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/tomb-of-thunder.357/

[6-10] Ashes: Hard Reset released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/ashes-2063/downloads

[6-5] Nightdive announces Killing Time Resurrected
https://x.com/GuerrillaCollec/status/1798429585299964031

[6-3] Release trailer for Ashes: Hard Reset scheduled for June 10th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFf65H8q1lg [Embed]

[6-2] CutStuff.net is now https://mm8bdm.net/forum..

[5-30] Rise of the Triangles is on IDGames
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=21188

[5-30] Little Italo, tribute to the Italo Doom
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3549

[5-27] Zandronum-compatible Colorful Hell released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1252561#p1252561

[5-26] AMC Squad v4.5 released
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc/news/amc-squad-45-interim-edition-released

[5-25] MBF64, D64 gameplay mod for MBF21 is released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/143161/

[5-23] Extinction Warrior Typhon released
https://skelegant.itch.io/extinction-warrior-typhon

[5-23] Voices of the Nether, a 14-map episode for Doom 64 has been released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/145337

=== PREVIOUS ===
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Played Chasm: The Rift recently. It's a polished turd

>>11029793
But is it a tasty turd?

>>11029795
Somewhat. The arsenal is cool, but the enemies are even spongier than Quake.

>>11029604
>>11029668
>>11029717
>>11029743
Thanks for the responses. Thought for sure I'd get shit on for playing on the SD
>>11029604
Arcane I definitely want to try but not sure how to get it on the SD. Quake isn't my favorite to begin with. I honestly like how you can't look up and down in Doom, not sure if that's a retarded opinion. I also feel like the maps are too open compared to doom, but I haven't played it for years. Will look into build mods too I wanted to try Ion Fury like >>11029717
said because the city map looked cool, but I've read that there isn't much level diversity and the later levels are lazily designed. Blood I'm definitely picking up too. Duke 3D I have and Shadow Warrior was free on steam but the weapons feel janky to me.
>>11029743
Love half life (just 1). Dusk seems to get rave reviews but the art style just looks shitty to me. Better than the overly polished, stylized modern throwbacks like Turbo Overkill, but it just doesn't have the je ne sais quoi of the 90s games.
>>11029668
Not too sure about that screenshot lol but ill try it out if its easy to download

How does Doom Eternal compare to the old games? Seems like the only new shooter that may actually be worth shelling out the money for, but

>>11029793
I recall hearing it's surprisingly decent, if rough and limited in some ways.

>>11029803
I wanted to add that Ion Fury is only 7.50 on fanatical. That's why I was considering it. So, if anyone wants to pick it up

>>11029793
I played it back in the day, it's not quite scraping the bottom of the barrel but it's getting in that direction.

>>11029812
>>11029803
Please do try Ion Fury. One of the best games of the 2010s in my opinion, a lot of passion was put into it. It drags a bit near the end but it's nothing that ruins the game. The DLC is also excellent.

>>11029763
I tried Painkiller from the Win98 games link. The description claims that even though the the main menu says it's v1.6, it's actually 1.64. This is wrong.
The game cannot be completed as it is. There are two dock workers in level 5-2 that do not count toward the kill count, and the next area can't be accessed.
After downloading the 1.61, 1.62 and 1.64 patches, and then reapplying a noCD fix, everything worked fine.

>>11029831
Wanting to make fan art and pin ups of Shelly is what's driving my drawing practice. Well one of the main ones anyway hahaha.

>>11029803
Dusk is one of those games that is considered good because it got there early in the bumshoot wave, now it would be pretty mediocre.

It might be worth checking out Gloomwood when it will be out. Oh and for Half Life 1 check out Echoes and They Hunger mods.

>Doom Eternal
dunno haven't played but DO check out Wolfenstein The New Order and The Old Blood.

>>11029803

> I honestly like how you can't look up and down in Doom, not sure if that's a retarded opinion
No, you're on the right track about why Quake is way less fun than DOOM, and the game doesn't actually shine until you start playing deathmatch or Quake 3.

Playing Ashes DMW for the first time, should I just be sprinting past all the trash hags because I clearly don't have the ammo for them?

>>11029882
>makes damage especially without looking
>bad duke better
>guys wanted less valve devs

>>11029882
>ashes best fun
>civvie currently drinking

>>11029882
>fun doom wads
>ashes best
>play quake
>retro great
Awesome
>i'm called small
Blaz
>randy
I don't like how big he is on the cloud
>>11029891
>>bad duke better
What could it mean?

>>11029882
>guys wanted less valve devs
>nugget projects crap

>>11029793
If you won't explain why, then don't bother posting

Thoughts on Descent? Does it hold up? Feel like I never hear about it

>>11029974
Has it's fun, also has it's bullshit issues, mostly from hitscan mobs being able to shred you instantly.

>>11029968
>anons defend literal shitposting last thread
>tell off a guy that actually plays videogame
I mean yeah he should elaborate on that but cmon.

You got your Half-Life in my Unreal Tournament!

Map: https://unrealarchive.org/unreal-tournament/maps/deathmatch/I/dm-industrial_527bdd59.html

I'm addicted to watching Quake speedruns.

>>11029772
It’s from BAPHOMET!
Dear pesky marines..

>>11030000
Nice digits

>>11029974
more like decent

>>11030000
funny that it ends up looking like deus ex

>>11029995
I didn't defend whatever went on last thread, that just read like a shitty post to me. Albeit probably more visible because it's near the top of the thread.

>>11029974
It's a venus flytrap. You will breeze through the first levels and fall into a false sense of security until the game unloads nasty surprise after nasty surprise till the very end. Yet the whole thing is incredibly addictive

>>11029803
>but the art style just looks shitty to me
Well good news, it has an update to address that.

>>11029843
Based video game player.

>>11029843
imagine playing videogames

>>11030210
>imagine

doomguy vs wolfensteinman, the ultimate battle of good vs evil

Mjolnir guys if you're lurking you need to make this guy an enemy or boss instead of just decoration. That'd be baller.

Is it the same space marine in every doom game?

>>11030286
Yes, every one of them has been me, why do you ask?

Kinda surprised fraggot got on idgames desu

Heh, buttbuddies in death.

>>11030303
are they going to be okay?

>>11030279
Not a Mjolnir guy, but he's way bigger than the shambler collision model and would therefore clip through walls pretty easily. You might be able to get around that to some extent with creative use of tracelines (if you can avoid Ironwail shitting itself from too long of a loop), but there's a reason why Chthon doesn't move around.

fraggles.wad

>>11030325
Why must you dash my hopes.
>>11030323
They'll be fine.

>>11030405

>>11030415
These are never not amusing to me. I have loads of screenshots of Quake for this sort of thing I've just been too lazy to make them.

>>11030423
desu

>>11030405
>Why must you dash my hopes.
Source port devs are the ones who have dashed your hopes anon, not me. Removed collision hull limitations and QuakeC-accessable tracebox functionality have been figured out for over a decade, but they're still only available in DarkPlaces and FTE.

It is what it is.

DOOMino's Pizza (.wad)

>>11030490
Ehh if the demand were there it'd be there. That simple.

Are there any retro shooters other than Goldsrc games that let you play with a lefthanded viewmodel?

>>11030535
Quake 2

>>11030535
Quake 1 with console commands.

>>11030535
Unreal and Unreal Tournament 1999

>1993
>DOOM releases as a 2D sidescrolling platformer
what changes

>>11030537
>>11030539
Oh yeah, I forgot Goldsrc is bascally idtech.
>>11030540
I didn't know that and I played tons of UT back in the day, what the heck

>>11030579
>I didn't know that and I played tons of UT back in the day, what the heck
You can center them too, like Doom.

>>11030535
Undying has you play a left handed protag. Right hand uses magic while left hand uses firearms.

>>11030575
Quake finally receives the recognition it deserves.

>>11030575
System Shock would have a bigger fanbase

>>11030584
Weapon position in Unreal and UT99 also affects point of impact. Try shooting an instagib rifle at long distance with the left or right hand settings, then center or hidden. You'll notice a difference where it hits.

>>11030247
what is this

>>11030575
Tom Hall would likely have had more involvement and probably would've had more time in the company

>>11030636
Quake Mjolnir.
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/quake-mj%C3%B6lnir.243/
WIP megamod.

>>11030658
looks really fucking cool
>WIP
fuck

>>11030664
Two episodes are in a playable state right now, including an entire remake of Heretic for some reason.

>>11030683
>including an entire remake of Heretic for some reason
hmm should i play that first?

>>11029884
Crowbar secondary.

>Pirate Doom 2 was released months ago

I... huh. Guess it's time to finish the first one.

>>11029974
Descent 1 is fun up until level ~5 or so where the miner bots are introduced. Hitscan, zero reaction time enemies that can literally shred you from 100 to 0 in a second(and not in the Doom needs an entire monster closet of them way, just one is enough to do that to you). You'll want to save your lock-on missiles for them because to my memory the missiles bank pretty hard off corners and can get them.
2 I don't think had that issue and I enjoyed it more, plus it introduced the afterburner.

For more modern 6dof games there's Foresaken which honestly I never really liked as it felt really floaty, Desecrators which may be a roguelite(it's been in early access for a bit, may exit soon since it's on 0.9.6 as of the start of this month) and Overload which I really like and wish more people would play.
Not to get into eceleb bullshit but how come none of the usual suspects mention Overload or Descent in general?

>>11030802
isn't that the beta version for playtesting? Unless it's completely finished now?

>>11029763
Requesting name of the wad, №1

>>11030817
>Desecrators
Thanks for rec
>Forsaken
I forget the name constantly

>>11030828
Forgot the pic, №1

>>11030831
№2

>>11030826
Well it says "1.0", and without having read the thread I don't think beta versions ever go beyond 0.9.

>>11030274
If such a crossover happened, and it didn't involve the Nazi War Machine™ being the only military force strong enough to oppose the demons, thus de-facto becoming The Good Guys™, then ID Officially Sucks Ass™.

>>11030817

>>11030286
Yes and no. They're kind of rewriting / restructuring the story every time so the circumstances are different.

The largest break is between nu-doom and everything before that because in nudoom doomguy is not just a marine he's some ancient demonhunting force or something I can't even properly understand what the f they made him into.

>>11030915
Naw there's nothing in 2016 or Eternal that suggests he's been at it long enough to be "ancient".

>>11030817
Desecrators is tits but yeah it's a roguelite. At least it's a co-op one, however.
>spoiler
People in general don't seem to care about 6DOF. Many of the people I know that otherwise play a lot of /vr/ shooters find the additions it brings rather shallow. Pissed me right the fuck off because I was so excited about Descent 3 going open source at the time. Finally the one with dedicated server support can be slapped onto my box, but turns out I was hoping all this time for nada.

In any case, the genre just has zero traction for the audience at large

>>11030286
Doom 3 and 2 are the same marine, characterized as being more of a soldier that gets the job done and saves the day, no matter the cost.

Doom 1 and 64 are the same marine, being a scrapper that fights for his life even after he actually dies, although becoming slightly consumed by the mania of being a cornered animal that actually won the fight back

>>11030741
It's a fun romp. If you're more interested in Doom/Quake than anything medieval than don't bother.

For me? It's the Resurrection of Evilguy. He's always got a look on his face like he can't believe this shit is happening to him today. A real everyman Doomguy, just wants to go home and play some /vr/ 2145 Doom wads.

>>11030941
resurrection of evilguy is canonically the strongest and fastest and most unkillable doom marine
nobody else even stands a chance
nobody

incidentally this makes resurrection of evil a very shallow experience

>>11030575
Much, much fewer of us would be here discussing it.

>>11030952
RoE was most certainly made out of obligation.
>FPSs have expansion packs, I guess we should make one for Doom 3
Obviously a lot of people worked very hard on it but I couldn't recommend it to anybody who didn't love Doom 3, whereas I would always recommend, say, Opposing Force to somebody who didn't love Half-Life.

>>11030575
GMOTA would make a lot more sense.

>>11030834
why are you posting a picture of my unreleased wad that I'm still working on. That has nothing to do with what you're quoting.

>>11030575
Very little, Doom 3D comes out in 96.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtA5EGBckg8

>>11030964
He wants to know what those two WADs are, anon. He's hoping someone can identify them by the pictures he posts.

>find new wad
>insane new artwork
>great level design
>flawless enemy balance
>its ONE level
WHYYYY

>>11030973
>>11030834
well then, it's an unnamed megawad started in 2022, it's in the works, but I'm stuck on the last 5-6 maps, I'm struggling with large maps in particular. I've been contributing to DBPs to improve my skill over the years. I haven't looked into /vr/ in months, so it's weird to see that screenshot.

>>11030980
It's a lot easier to do one good level than 32.

>>11030992
Sadness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyPivd7U85k

Spotted this while looking around for new mods and this looks like it could be pretty fun. Any thematically appropriate (medieval or cartoony etc) wads I could test this with?

Getting back into doom mods for the first time in over a decade. Is it worth figuring out how to make doom explorer work? Is it possible to make a fully portable install with it?

>>11030990
strange place innit

>>11030967
I've played more of this crap as a kid than the actual Doom. The latter seemed pointless, since I could play Q2 and Q3 instead, but no other 2d platformers were available.

>>11030817
>spoiler
Because Descent is really really stretching the definition or rather the appeal of those who play classic fps games. I was actually surprised that it got covered by you know who but I guess they're very desperate for material to cover.

Sure I played Descent and Tunnel B1 back in the day but never really thought of them as a boomieshoot thing. I think I might've gotten Descent free from a subscription to a pc magazine or something. Played it a bit and I think I got pretty lost and disoriented and went back to playing ShadWarrior, Doom, Duke, Blood and Red Alert.

>>11030990
>it's in the works, but I'm stuck on the last 5-6 maps
Good to know, that'd explain why I haven't seen any reports on progress. Is №1 also yours?

>>11031069
No, that one uses completely different textures anyway.

15 minutes, evens for Serious Sam, odds for Quake.

>>11029803
>I've read that there isn't much level diversity and the later levels are lazily designed.
You may argue that things might get slightly stale at times once all weapons & enemies are introduced
like >>11029831 mentions, but Ion Fury's later maps aren't victims of lazy design.
>How does Doom Eternal compare to the old games?
Well, it's kind of different. Essentially it's more of a 2016, so I would go from there: if you liked that game, you'll have a lot of fun with Eternal.
In case you will pick it up, I will give you one advice. Despite what people on Internet say and what in-game tips may imply, you don't have to make full use of Eternal's arsenal and tricks. 2016 approach works just fine there.
Look into HROT as well.
>>11030286
Almost. Same one in Ultimate, Hell on Earth, 64, 2016 and Eternal. Different in Final (if you're generous enough to count it as different game), 3 and Resurrection of Evil.

>>11031101

>>11031075
And unique palette too, lest my eyes deceive. I was just checking recent mapping forays of possible suspects, and unless it's a work of the certain metropolitan puss, I'm at loss. Ecstatic for the imminent reveal anon.

>>11029803
>>11031113
>if you liked that game, you'll have a lot of fun with Eternal.
Strongly depends. Eternal cranks out some parts of 2016 to 11, while gets rid of others. Is it for better or worse depends on what you liked about the previous game. As someone who loved 2016 for its fine balance between subtlety and excess, as well as its freedom of combat, i found Eternal's fall into excess alone and attempts at railroading to be a downgrade. If you'll excuse the non-vr discourse.

Pretty good looking game, somehow I remember it being worse

>>11031129
Try maybe in another year at this progress .........................

>>11031143
ole sammy boy has always been handsome thanks to his pretty colours

>>11031145
>in another year
That's a fine trade
>progress
Is not a word for the 'complete standstill'
But enough from me, I'll keep quiet for this one year so I won't jinx it

Whatever happened to Hdoom? Is it dead?

>>11031164
Man works at the speed of a dead slug. Last known update, the Mastermind is done and the Revenant is in the works.

ruh roh

Hello gentlemen. Do any of you guys know much about playing retro FPS games in VR? I recently got a headset, and the Half Life and Half Life 2 VR mods turn out to be be more fun than most actual VR games.

I am vaguely aware that Doom and Quake have several VR ports, but I don't know which port/method is the best. I want to be able to easily play custom maps etc because like you guys know, that's the actual point of playing stuff like Doom or Quake in 2024, VR or not.

(I thought it would probably be better to ask you guys than the faggots in the VR thread on /vg/, because all those retards care about is pretending to be anime girls in VRChat.)

Thank you in advance Anons. I got you a Greggs belgian bun :3

>>11031175
VGH....multi-rocket launcher, my love...

>>11031206
>Thank you in advance Anons. I got you a Greggs belgian bun :3
It's not a sausage roll so you get nothing.

Finally got through Mjolnir's mj4m4. That's a really fucking fantastic, beautiful map. I was surprised at how nonlinear it truly is; I'm a stubborn bastard so those mandatory arena fights I actually didn't need to tackle right then and there, I could have returned later after exploring the map and gaining more power in weapons, abilities, and health upgrades.

A few nitpicks here and there like how the penultimate door to activate the final fight is almost completely out of the way and not adorned with anything that would tell you to look in that location, or the fucking frog denizens. If a frog decides it hates you, it will follow you to the ends of the earth to try and lick you to death and almost invariably get killed by another monster on the way. Still, what a ball. The map keeps going up, and up, but not in a way that's annoying it's more like "holy shit this is incredible it just keeps going".

I actually ended up finishing mj4m5 too since I noticed it only had 261 enemies as opposed to 400-1000. A fine arena sendoff to likely the most ambitious Quake episode ever (though I haven't yet played SMEJ2 so maybe I'm wrong). mj4m5, along with the final final map (which I won't show because major spoilers in terms of just seeing it) gives some tidbits of lore I wasn't expecting, making the surrounding story of the setting a little more meaningful than I thought. The final "To be continued..." text promises another six fucking episodes along with the two inaccessible episodes in the main hub, holy shit what a fucking mouth watering proposition. I cannot wait.

>>11031257
Look at this lad. Bet he enjoys Infinite Jest like a homo.

>>11031143
Photo textures and a powerful engine will do that for you.

>>11031262
what's he reading, /vr/os? he's not an Infinite Jest kinda guy, is he?

The Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra, obviously

>>11030658
Only 3 out of 5 stars though?

>>11030857
That doesn't even make any sense, Germany was on a massive industrial, economical, and logistical backfoot for basically the entire war, meanwhile the US provided very substantial material aid in all kinds of ways to both the British and the Russians (who badly needed it, and greatly appreciated it), while then going in fighting both in the Pacific and then also in Europe.
Warfare, against other people or against demons from hell, requires LOTS of resources, constantly, and them being allocated reliably and efficiently where they are needed, and this was something the US military was (and still is) best at.

It'd make more sense for everyone to go "Oh shit." and then put the regular war on hold for a while to instead fight the demons, which could actually be a pretty interesting story.

>>11031302

>>11031415
Let's do some comparing and contrasting.

Being unfinished with some bugs likely has something to do with the average of 3 stars. It's also somewhat more esoteric than the other popular big Quake mods like Arcane Dimensions or Alkaline whose premises are much simpler: More Quake with more enemies and great levels for AD, more laser focused sci-fi Quake with Alkaline. Mjolnir has these bits of mythology in your face, enormous maps, the innocent enemies (denizens) gimmick, the more dungeoneering focused soundtrack as opposed to the dark ambient music people enjoy about Quake to name a few things that could turn people off besides being unfinished and buggy.

We can even go further. Mjolnir has two start maps, one introductory to introduce the mood, and then the proper hub map which is considerably larger than the hub map for Arcane Dimensions. AD's hub map? All the level portals are within 10 meters of the player's starting position, and they all "feel" cut from the same cloth as Quake despite being disconnected mini-adventures, and them being disconnected mini-adventures (a raid on a keep of Necromancers, exploring a giant vertical library, etc.) is likely a huge part of why players find these so enthralling. Mjolnir's current two episodes aren't mini adventures, they're exploring these incredibly detailed settings like a mine filled with actual miners in it, and friendly NPCs are most certainly not what people expect when it comes to Quake, which is something else that can turn people off.

Give it a whirl, form your own opinion.

>>11031423
I think it was satire anon.

>>11029803
>How does Doom Eternal compare to the old games?

When I started playing Eternal I had no idea what the fuck I was doing and the game kept piling new stuff on but once you've got the hang of it, it can be pretty fun. Getting the rocket launcher was a "oh fuck the hell YES" moment. Classic Doom is still best though.

>>11031487
I had a moment where I was about to ragequit Eternal when I encountered the first Arachnotron and ran out of ammo and for some reason no zombies were spawning for a long time, so I desperately tried to punch it to death, which didn't work because the devs are fucking bastards. Fuck this retarded ammo box chainsaw mechanic, almost ruined the entire game for me from that point.

the five horsemen

Damn this wad is fucking awesome. Centerpiece slugfests by Nebula require some due commitment but isn't it so fucking tight the whole way through, geniune stuff. Tried to come up with something negative, but could only bring up in all rights pretty forgettable E1M8 as it was taken from the days when Doom Builder has not yet been invented. Just a single stone in a basket full of juicy luscious fruits, once considered and then thrown away to be forgotten.

>>11029831
Loving all these Shellies.
>>11031415
It’s an amazing mod with huge scope but it’s also given me the most issues compared to any other Quake mod. That’s been through both Vkquake and Ironwail, they’ve each had their own issues for me with Mjolnir. It’s been worth it, though.

>u lookin at me m8?

>>11031526
I'm obliged to play 2002ADO and Whispers of Satan someday with such point of reference.

>>11031506
>Fuck this retarded ammo box chainsaw mechanic, almost ruined the entire game for me from that point.

I keep falling into the "shitshitshit, I'm low on ammo/health and I can't find any pickups" line of thinking the classic games instill in you and going "wait a minute, I can just chainsaw a fucker, c'mere you beautiful walking piñatas you!" It's honestly kind of handy to be able to restock like that.

>>11031541
If by handy you mean "made for retards that can't handle resource management", sure.

>>11031546
It was definitely made to keep momentum of action going anon your cynicism is showing.

>>11031547
Giving you a proper ammo capacity would have done the same, but then you couldn't appeal to the ADHD "press X to awesome" crowd.

>>11031546
I don't have time to count bullets when I've got a dozen demons clawing at my asshole from twelve different directions. Whatever helps me kill them before one of them manages to slide his thorny demon cock in there is welcome.

>>11031549
>Giving you a proper ammo capacity would have done the same
Maybe, but then there's less incentive to switch weapons the way they clearly want you to in Eternal.
> but then you couldn't appeal to the ADHD "press X to awesome" crowd.
That too. Don't get me wrong, I have my own issues about chainsawing for ammo, but I really don't think it was for retards as much as keeping the player within the action.

>>11031553
Then you are on the wrong board, majority of /vr/ shooters require you to "count bullets"

>>11031561

>>11031562
>idkfa

>>11031561
did he died?

>>11031568
B A S E D

>ammo box chainsaw mechanic
>you beautiful walking piñatas
>ADHD "press X to awesome"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tntx22Yuqb8
What the fuck all of you are talking about?
>Best TeamTNT wad which by a large margin was created by unaffiliated newcomers and fledglings modders

>>11031616
This joke is old, get better material

>>11031618
At least he's on topic

>>11031618
I joked with your mom, your birth was a punchline

>>11031637
Based

>>11031530
I, for one, appreciate that these threadly reminders about Square exist.

>>11031753
Yeah. Even if I don’t often (you) them I always enjoy seeing what others are playing.

>>11031530

>>11031229

This thread has never let me down until today. I'm never buying any of you anything from Greggs ever again.

>>11031834
Should've gone to Cooplands.

>>11031547
He's being cynical, but I can't fully disagree either, the ability to easily extract necessary resources from any random monster, on your cue, does work against resource management somewhat.

In classic Doom, you can expect to get bullets and shells from zombies, even giving you a shotgun or chaingun if you don't have them, but otherwise you just have to use whatever resources are lying around. I like that approach better, it demands more thinking on your feet.

>>11030294
>>11030915
>>11030934
>>11031113
You guys don't actually know what you're talking about, do you?

>>11031920
It's ok because these days id doesn't know what they're on about with him either.

>>11031113
>Doom 1 and 2 main playable character isn’t the same as Final Doom’s
What inspired this idea?

>>11031920
but >>11030294
was objectively correct

john literally said that doom guy is you, the player, that's why he has no """lore"""

I prefer Doomguy being a Blazkowicz.

Does anyone know why Shelley's skin is sloughing off in Ion fury aftershock?
Outside of all the dips in odd liquids Heskell's been experimenting with.

>>11032027
Anon, that's a leather strap.
I bet you also think Doomguy has wrinkly wrists.

>>11032037
Over the palm or on the wrist? I could kind of see it but it looks like part of the leather cuff meets the glove so idk.
My immediate reaction everytime is rotting flesh

And yes actually until I played a decent 1080p sourceport of doom :(

>>11032037
Growing up, I was told that Doom guy's arms were modelled after Robin Williams' gorilla hair arms

>>11031487
I am a bit afraid of the new mechanics like dashing and shit, but it should be 10 dollars or so for the Steam summer sale so ill pick it up. I just want a classic doom with Doom Eternal graphics and the musak seems cool too

>>11032037
>>11032027
I thought you were talking about her mug, I was staring at it like “wtf is he talking about”. Yeah that’s just some leather that’s been there since the original.

MyApartment anon is your map coming along well?

>>11032089
I gave up

>>11032037
>I bet you also think Doomguy has wrinkly wrists.

If they didn't want me to think that, they should have made his gloves black like they are on the box art. God, I hate the skin gloves.

>>11032096
Damn, looked cool. I took a lil break from quake mapping recently, I should try to make my living space when I get back to it.

Are there any good Doom and Doom adjacent e-celebs with cool/good/informative videos?

>>11032163
This anon when he puts stuff out.
https://www.youtube.com/@CIADOOM

>>11032163

>>11032176
I don't know this fella, sorry

>>11032176
>the concave stare

Who the fuck let Joe-Ilya back on the Doomer Boards?!

>>11032176
>indirectly responsible for dozens of people getting into trenchbroom and joining the pipeline of milksop jams and prototype-textured copper maps
>indirectly responsible for the ceased development for vkquake because he made a video praising Ironwail instead
It's funny (and sad) that what's left of the Quake community is in such a state where one unwitting boomer can make these kinds of waves.

>>11032212
Who cares, they can keep him the fuck away from here.

>>11032241
>It's another doom and gloom, woe is Quake post despite the community doing great along with no well thought out criticisms or mapping of your own
Zzzzzz.

>>11032241
>>indirectly responsible for the ceased development for vkquake because he made a video praising Ironwail instead
that was such bullshit, my laptop is one generation behind the opengl version ironwail needs while it can run vkquake just fine, fucking ass-backwards development

>>11032241
>people making maps is bad actually
Are you brain damaged

Like what undiagnosed mental disorder do you have to have to think making mapping more accessible is a bad thing. Do you just not understand how Doom lasted as long as it did

huh?

>>11032241
>>indirectly responsible for the ceased development for vkquake because he made a video praising Ironwail instead
Luckily someone else took over the vkQuake repo and has been pushing a ton of updates to it this past week.

I get dizzy with FPS games, and it may sound weird but it also happens with classic Doom. Any suggestions? I use gzdoom and I've already tried increasing the FOV.

>>11031998
>John said
And my mate Harold said it's a slag, should we see what William thinks as well?

So i no saved Trinary Temple from Ancient Aliens on my third try but i have to get his off my chest.

It wasn't that hard and it was little big. That's not the issue. The amount of times they put chaingunners and ESPECIALLY arachnotrons out in the open whenever you progressed was awful filler and killed the flow. You are better off blocking shit off. I get the guy was trying to prevent backtracking and for some of the encounters it worked well but it felt lazy and dragged on an already long map. When you unlock the door to the final fight at the exit, he even spawns 4 more spiders outside the temple and they are easy to miss

>>11032340
Keep playing, you'll get used to it
I got mad motion sickness when I played STALKER for the first time, I think it was the viewbobbing

>>11032285
People making bad maps is bad.
Normalization of things that make maps bad is bad.

Next DBP release presumably tommorow.

>>11032340
Try turning view bob or weapon bob to nothing.

>>11032291
>>11032285
It's a regular shitposter. He never has anything intelligent to say, he just badmouths Quake because it gets him replies.

I forgot how cool this last map was. It's really hard to make destruction look good in a map. Shame the actual fight sucked.

hello gents,

i wanna make some maps based on irl locations in my life. i'm sure i am one of many that comes along looking to do the same thing

just need to know if doombuilder is the way to go? i have experience with halo forge/fortnite creative but thats like lego pieces

hoping there is a program that is as easily accessible for brainlets like me

>>11032412
Ultimate Doom Builder will have what you need. Though Doom has difficult relationship with having rooms over rooms, but I think it's still done in UDB.

have we seen any community made maps for WRATH yet?

>>11032434
Aside from some guy's E1M1 remake from years ago in early access, no I don't think so.

>>11032434
Yes even when Wrath was in early access. I haven't played any myself.

>>11032412
Define the parameters more clearly.
Which is nore important, the fidelity of the environment or the gameplay?
What type environment? Mostly or all indoor spaces? Semi-rural? Fully urban? Very specific region?

I personally would recommend Hammer editor and creating your environment in Half Life. I know people love recreating familiar spaces in Doom because it was one of the first games to really accommodate that and also especially these days it has some of the easiest to use and well documented tooling. But Doom also kinda sucks in general for making real life locations.

If you're slumming a rural country town vibe you could do mapster 32 with Redneck Rampage texture set but that's hard. Or.. I don't know how committed you are but there have been some stalker mods where some random bydlo just made their hometown in the editor so i don't know how hard it can be to use really.

I would personally say Hammer editor because of the sheer flexibility, support for actually 3d spaces and a wide variety of themed textures so you can create homes, offices etc. Just be aware that making recognizable places in shooter games can be more than a little iffy you know.

>>11031876
Really it's usually less thinking on your feet to "Ima use shells/bullets on anything smaller than a baron and save my rockets/cells for big crowds/big boys."

>>11030941
He's alright, he and the original D3 guy seem swell. It's also cool playing the Lost Mission as the one Bravo squadmate that actually survives.
>>11032319
>Luckily someone else took over the vkQuake repo and has been pushing a ton of updates to it this past week.
That's beautiful news.

>>11032473
Not that anon, but I think it's better in terms of making you consider the environment you find yourself in, especially when you think to yourself
>Okay this room has two health kits and a box of shells I don't need right now, I'll come back later
>>11032482
Wtf? Brb checking vkQ github.

>>11032492
That's true, but really I find the only way a map is gonna put the pressure on a player with ammo is with either massive quantities of monsters, an abundance of stronger monsters than anything else, or limiting the amount of former human enemies.
Generally you're gonna be well stocked with one ammo supply I find.

I don’t get the whole “it’s better to have ammo and health on floor vs being able to get it from primarily from enemies” argument.
I’m fine with either one as long as you develop the gameplay around it properly.

How can you warp to the secret map of Hard reset? Just doing map map11 goes to michonne

Doom classic ammo system works for Doom and nu-doom ammo system works for nu-Doom. They're fundamentally different games. It is also a good way of rewarding aggression and making the chainsaw and glory kills useful without making them too op.

Wednesday night Whatever, come play some SRB2Kart!

How to join (The short and easy way):
Download the All-in-one repack: https://mega.nz/file/d68gALrb#xgsVOihAIsKqKowjf1-uzeeBbKcJ0R0C0VKCFMQdih8
Extract it to its own folder (NOT the desktop or program files)
Run "SRB2Kart-Neptune (Connect to vrkart).bat" and wait for any missing files to download in-game
DO NOT run "srb2kart.exe" and expect to be able to join the server.
If you don't have a 64-bit machine/OS for whatever reason: Copy the contents of the 32-bit folder into the main folder

How to join (The longer and harder way):
Download version 1.6 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/download/v1.6/srb2kart-v16-Installer.exe
Get the custom client we use (Windows): https://github.com/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune/releases/tag/Neptune2.1
Or compile it (Linux or anything else): https://github.com/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune
Get the mods: https://mega.nz/folder/MiUiESSa#CyovwTUnO9TSmqbwMI1xBg
Connect to 51.161.34.159 (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)

>I HAVE TO BITCH FAST AND TEXT CHAT TOO SLOW
We also have a Mumble server!
Address: 51.161.34.159 (same as the game server)
Port: default
Password: endoom

>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?
No.

Pro tips: https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq
(This is out of date and written for a different server, but it still has a lot of useful information.)

>>11029763
so I'm following the rentry guide, why does the music volume gets lower for a while when firing certain weapons?

>>11032505

The important distinction is that one method offers an incentive for map exploration that is intrinsically linked to combat motivation. Whereas the other one makes combat a self-sufficient loop in and of itself, and map exploration becomes a completely optional element. This, as you can imagine, has a significant impact on level design, which in turn has a big impact on pacing.

If you look at the level design in the best Doom community maps, an compare it to the arenas in Doom 2016/Eternal, the understanding of this difference and knowing how to use resources as a motivation for the player is really what elevates a decent mapper into a really true quality mapper, a gameplay designer who understands how to sculpt combat encounters. When you have a self-sufficient system like in nu-Doom, the level design stops mattering, even the types of enemies stop mattering, it's all just a systematic self-contained loop.

Nu-Doom is a good game in its own right, but it missed a lot of what made Doom really feel like Doom. They went for the meme version of Doom, but that was never really what Doom actually was. In the end they landed on Serious Sam/Painkiller; it was all combat all the time, and there was no exploration to break up the pacing. To me, it just became exhausting to play, it was the exact same hyper-focused gameplay loop over and over.

Finally found that webm I was asked to catbox.
https://files.catbox.moe/fe0avd.webm

Just kidding, it doesn't fucking exist anymore. I bet Bill Gates personally vaporized it from my drive.

>>11032492
>Wtf? Brb checking vkQ github.
Also yeah it looks like someone is pushing stuff, but no release yet. I'm interested if it has a similar mods/level menu to Ironwail.

>>11032947
Is this it?
https://youtu.be/0ZjXE-jYfZU

what do you anons think about A2Rob? I just recently cleared out Running Late 2 and loved it. I like how he injected a little humor in some of the maps, like just a bit here and there. Maps that stood out to me the most was 05, 09, 10, and 12.

>>11033147
He's alright I guess.
He posts here if you didn't know btw.

>Pick up +10 health vial
>Biomech major spawns
Classic.

>>11033197
wouldn't have it any other way

>>11033197
Single Biomech Majors are kind of pushovers once you get an automatic weapon. Just alternate between the right and left cannons and blow up the rockets as soon as they're fired.

>>11033198
Oh you damn well know it.

>>11033209
the real trap is when a single health pill hidden in some obscure corner of the map doesn't spawn a major on pickup

>>11033208
Oh this ain't my first rodeo. Just putting some time into the City Of Memphis custom map by Biohazard Dood I started months ago. I luv me Sam.
>>11033213
Yeah the pickups that DON'T do shit are the ballbreakers. I play Sam for the chaos management c'mon now.

>>11033197
Doom wad where there's a lone health bonus you can pick up that will literaly make the entire resurrected cyber third reich invade and it will send you on an alternate set of levels where you have to fight both the demons AND the nazis in a doom x wolfenstein crossover. But if you don't pick it up the wad progresses as normal against just regular doom 2 demons.

Wait the rocket launcher has an idle animation holy shit. I NEVER fucking knew.
>>11033219
Name one (1) wad.

>>11033226
Can't man, it doesn't exist. It would be funny as an absolute extreme to sam style pickups though.

>>11033227
I liked my trap in Ad Mortem that spawned a bunch of rockets on legs when you grabbed a lone health potion.

>>11033226
The wad I shot in your mom last night bitch

>>11033226
yeah you never notice it because you're always firing rockets so much in sam

>>11033160
makes sense, since I saw his name in 2048 units.
If he reading this, hi A2Rob :)

>>11032512
Secret map is Map 13, you needed to buy the map off the trader in Map 7.

>>11032532
ggs

>>11032532
GGs

Any custom Duke 3D campaigns (utilizing exclusively official enemies) that're designed to be difficult?
Slaughter Duke?
Plutonia Duke?
Hard as nails, to crush my balls of steel?

>>11032505
Bingo, they're different games and both good in their own right.

>>11032686
>level design stops mattering
I disagree, the combat in at least 2016 mattered a lot in the combat arenas and how you were moving in a lot of the situations.
Yea it's different but we already have classic Doom for classic Doom, I like it that they experiment with different styles.

>>11033373
god I wish that was me

Reminder that Doom 3 on Nightmare is, hypothetically, the highest skill Doom game as a baseline, and has a weapon, enemy, and resource roster conductive to sculpting various types of combat encounters.

>Bunnyhopping.
>Active health management that requires rapid killing or smart health-station use to not literally die in 1 hit.
>Super strong shotgun(s) that still aren't 100% the most viable thing in every situation.
>Headshots with EVERY weapon.
>Dynamic tricky enemy movements and builds/heights that require you to aim differently.
>Destructible projectiles.

The foundation is there - it's just the maps fucking suck. Tiny areas with drip-fed enemies and way too much ammo for the threat presented.

Finished Erotrophobia of mapjam9, Quoth based jam.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/func_mapjam9_2.html
Erotrophobia means an irrational fear of something related to sex, but I didn't quite catch that from the map. The final fight is a good bit of slaughter, very challenging, and it has a pool of blood in the middle but there's nothing sexual or evocative of a woman or man about the arena itself so the pool of blood must not be symbolic of anything. There's a big room with the Niggur herself in the center of it, also in a pool of blood, but she doesn't do anything or harm you. Maybe the author just thought it was a cool word. Good map.

>>11032340
Increase distance between your eyes and the screen, enable crosshair if you haven't. Get your FPS high and stable, disable vsync if you see short sharp hitches. See if there is a low-latency/anti-blur/game mode in your monitor that you aren't using.

if you installed doom on a roomba would that make it a... doomba?

>>11032461
i'm thinking facilities with outdoor areas. previous workplaces/friends houses/etc. guess that would fall under urban environments

appreciate the hammer suggestion but i really want to make it in the build engine. i play all sort of wads and want to immortalize my own little piece with the rest

will be going with >>11032415 hope i don't get filtered.

>>11029882
>great reset nukem

I was curious just how chunky you could make Ironwail look. Pretty fucking impressive, if you told me this is the original software renderer I'd believe it.
It also feels kinda odd playing with the game looking like this but very modern controls.

>>11033609
Isn't that just dosquake

Experimenting with fake water caustics.
Have three projected texture lights with three different lightstyles that are the same thing but offset from each other by a third.

Probably need to play with the texture size and projection angle a bit for better results, but I think I'm on to something. Would look a lot better with higher lightmap resolution though.

Reading the comment from Vosty that Hard Reset was released unfinished because some collaborators failed to deliver makes me regret not waiting for a patch, lol. Still fun but even if Afterglow is an unfair comparison due to scope/non-linearity, at least a couple steps down from 2063. I generally liked the new enemies (especially the gladiators who are fucking intense) but the zombies in the first level really start things off poorly. Level by level...

Night School - first time you kill an Empty and have to deal with it still crawling is cool, fighting 50 of them and the stronger radiation-spewers is extremely tedious, copy-paste rooms/architecture boring, visually looks like a Tempus Irae map, the arena fight was corny and weak and wtf was with the sudden fire at the end? easily the worst level in the series, 3/10

Anderson Homestead - I like the introduction of stealth but it wasn't really done that well, goofy to kill two bandits standing right next to each other looking away, again thought the design was a bit dull/ugly, but when I ignored the stealth option and went guns-blazing it was ok, 5/10

Outskirts - much more creative and felt like Ashes proper graphically, unfortunately the actual carnival maze was again tedious with more zombies and those suicide bag things, Wendigo sections were sick tho, 6/10

Cordon - didn't realize I fucked up a stealth option until the level after, but damn this one delivered, great urban environment with smart verticality, crossbow sniping a ton of fun, added a new layer of mystique with the black water, only weak aspect is they bungled the gladiator intro with him getting stuck on that gangplank, and while the boss fight as kind of easy it wrapped up an excellent level, 9/10

I believe Term's mods (Demonsteele, Cyberrunner, etc) are part of the reason why many retro inspired fps are centered around mobility.

>>11033614
Green Line - big but more linear than ones like Sub-Caverns, being broken up into several distinct mini-concepts was fine though some were better than others, final fight was kind of dumb, the mall FNAF bit was goofy but did the gladiators justice and the first arena that was perfectly done, 7/10

The Mall - weakest of the three mall levels, more constrained, worm enemies were cool at first but quickly got tiring, thankfully he had the sense to add cameras so you can check the map to see what areas opened up, cool new boss fight though, 6/10

At Death's Door - now THIS is the shit that made 2063 a masterpiece, the mutie mommy intro a bit unexpected but once the combat starts it's amazing, verticality, both open and tight with enemies from all angles while giving tons of environmental room to play on, the design like the ruined interior building near the end was great, reminded me of the non-motorcycle parts of Highway Holocaust, cool way to explain your glowing eyes, 9.5/10

Choka World - retarded humor, as if earlier levels didn't demonstrate enough how bad the voice acting is, boils down to a single pseudo-arena that's too small and tight to actually fight in so you just go outside and laugh as the enemies get stuck on a ledge, boss area was dumb and the C4 packs are bugged, 1/10

The City - really gives you the OK to let loose, gradually increasing building-islands of tension, when the mutants tear through that lower floor it's awesome, not quite kino but very solid combat-finale, 8/10

Hard Reset - weakest story-finale type level, similar to previous analogous maps but way too short and basic, the computer/email parts seemed meaningless, four ghosts in a room where there's no threat, that sudden inexplicable "Fuck this I'm outta here", almost wasted but loved the boss-comeback, 6/10

>gameplay mod has a double-barrel shotgun
>it's set to 'fire single' as the primary/'fire double' as alternate
This really exasperates me to no end; what went into these modders' minds when they came up with such a horrible configuration.

>>11033623
Quake makes a lot more sense to ascribe that to.

>>11033610
nope

>>11033632
Very neat. What are your settings? I assume r_softemu 3, but what about the rest? 8 bit coloring?

>>11033626
Blood's sawed-off, maybe?

>>11033626
Could you get any more petty than getting mad at the universal standard for double barrel altfire

>>11033635
gl_texturemode gl_nearest
r_viewmodel_quake 1
r_lerpmodels 0
r_lerpmove 0
r_softemu 3
r_particles 2
full HUD details, no HUD alpha, no crosshair, resolution to 320x240
I also scale it to fullscreen and restrict it to 30 fps using gamescope. No stretching this way. The latter could probably be done via host_maxfps but I only found that afterwards.

>>11033640
>resolution to 320x240
Couldn't you emulate that with r_scale while maintaining 1080p+?

>>11033641
Could that be done in 4:3 without stretching though? I found the solution with setting it to 320x240 and then upscaling with gamescope to be easier to get that look.

>>11033626
>Half-Life 1's shotgun config is too obscure for me

>>11033639
Yeah that shit's perfectly normal, and it's way better than some of the mods that have reload on altfire.

>>11033639
Well. What's in blood, stays in blood, since the scattergun he's only got is that particular DBS and that DBS alone. What's I'm having an assblast about is "gameplay mods", usually the ones that have both the standard shotguns AND the double-barrel ones as part of the weaponset.
>>11033646
>Half-Life 1's shotgun config is too obscure for me
This one I give a pass, not DESPITE, but rather BECAUSE of that "so retarded that it's good" idea of a SPAS-12 somehow able to insta-doubleburst.

>>11033651
>What's I'm having an assblast about is "gameplay mods", usually the ones that have both the standard shotguns AND the double-barrel ones as part of the weaponset.
ok, you've still to explain what the issue is

Having single/double primary/alt fire for a double barrel shotgun is literally the most logical thing possible, picrel
>>11033651
>What's I'm having an assblast about is "gameplay mods", usually the ones that have both the standard shotguns AND the double-barrel ones as part of the weaponset.
If you're talking about Ashes, it works well and I use both shotguns. The single-barrel holds several shells and is fairly accurate even at medium range, but lacks the oomph of a double-barrel and you can get in trouble if you have to do a full reload with enemies remaining. The double-barrel is best for stunning bigger enemies or in areas where you can circle strafe for a long time, but still provides the option to head-pop two separate weaker enemies with the single-barrel, with no reload penalty.

>>11033656
>what the issue is
>the ones that have both the standard shotguns AND the double-barrel ones
>double-barrel shotgun set to 'fire single' as the primary/'fire double' as alternate
>making the standard shotgun's primary function redundant, unless said weapon is also laced with gimmicky altfires like triple burst or full-auto (which would then make the DBS altfire useless in return) or grenade/slug fire

>>11033667
The difference is that the double barrel only holds two rounds and is less accurate, so it's an inferior single barrel mode to the dedicated single barrel shotgun.

>>11033663
>Having single/double primary/alt fire for a double barrel shotgun is literally the most logical thing possible, picrel
I have no quarrel about primary as the double-fire/altfire as single, it's the other way around (primary as the single/altfire as double) that buttblasts me to no end.

>>11033669
>I have no quarrel about primary as the double-fire/altfire as single, it's the other way around (primary as the single/altfire as double) that buttblasts me to no end.
These are literally the exact same thing for people capable of remembering which mouse click does which action

>>11033439
Doom 3 really is a waste of potential
>over a dozen monster types, plus variants and bosses
>spend 95% of the game fighting imps and zombies, mostly one at a time
Hardware limitations are a bitch. At least there are some good mods, like Phobos
Obsidian with id Tech 4 support never ever

>>11033669
>t.

sciencultist

>>11033583
>installed doom on a roomba
That's how robot apocalypses start

>>11033609
It looks neat in this tiny 640x480 webm, but on the big screen reduced render scale makes the game really blurry, especially in motion, I really don't like it and rather would play with native 1440p but at least everything is crispy and clear.

This talk about left click and right click is always foreign to me because I use left mouse for fire but right mouse for jump.

>>11033626
What about a shotgun where primary fire is left barrel, and secondary fire is the right barrel?

>>11033723
>makes the game really blurry
huh? Du you have some sort of smoothing options enabled? It just gets super pixelated.

>>11033735
L U D O

>>11033731
Where do you put alt fire in games that have it?

>>11033736
Here's 1/4 render scale in Ironwail. All the walls, all the textures are blurry as hell. Yes, it's pixelated, but what's the point if I can't see the huge chunky pixels in this mess?

>>11033741
And here's the native resolution, not a single blurred point on the screen.

>>11033738
Mouse 4, on the thumb.

>>11033735
whatabout a chaingun where primary fire is the barrel rotating counterclockwise, and secondary fire is the barrel rotating clockwise?

>>11033745
>Primary fire: Shoot bullets into demons
>Secondary fire: Extract bullets out of demons to recover ammo and deal extra damage
If any of you turbonerds do this, you pay me royalties or I'll come for you.

>>11033741
disable anisotropic filtering
disable anti-aliasing
disable mipmaps (this is the big one)
no more blur

btw, 240p would be render scale of 6 at 1440p, like this.

>>11033742
And here's 640x480, in reality it's blurry but for the different reason. The whole application is rendered at this resolution, and since two decades later LCD is still a godawful cancer-inducing technology, the monitor is physically incapable of displaying any non-native resolutions properly.

>>11033731
This talk about left click and right click is always foreign to me because I use a gamepad.

>>11033741

It's blurry because it's downsampled from a higher res, which means the data point each pixel takes its reference from is an average of surrounding pixels. In practice this means it looks smoother than it would simply natively rendering that res.

It's literally just the same thing in reverse as using super sampling for anti-aliasing. It smooths out the jaggies because there's a more data for each pixel to sample from. You're essentially using 640x480 with like, 4xSSAA.

>>11033750
Well I'll be damned, without the mipmaps it's so much better it's not even funny. Damn Ironwail only has 2 options for textures in the menu, and everything but gl_linear looks the same with antisotropic filtering enabled, so I never bothered to actually check the rest.
Thanks anon.

>>11029765
[6-20] DBP66: Lunar Strain is out now!:

https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3575/lunar-strain

>>11033731
DAAAAAMN this nigga plays tons of Quake. Or CS. Or both.
>>11033773
>23 maps
Looks like we're back to good DBP-ing

>>11033731
I use right click to move forward
Doom mouse only is a fun challenge sometimes

>>11033609
>>11033632

I can't really tell from the webbum but if you don't already have it on, you need to set the palette filter to "raw" in the menu too.

OG quake was 256 colour mode and that's the only way to emulate it under GL/VK engines. It doesn't look exactly the same but close enough. People don't know about the tonemap - palette setting in GZDoom either, it is beautiful.

It's a subtle effect that's hard to really see in most vanilla or vanilla-styled maps, but it look gorgeous in more modern stuff, and anything that uses dynamic lights.

Bros, why is classic doom with mods and wads still so much fun after all these years?

>>11033783
It was on, just hard to tell because of the webms' bitrate.

>>11033656
It's the usual, anons been babied by Doom 2 and thinks there's no reason to have a shotgun when you've got the SSG.

>>11031524
le unholy trifecta of Doom...

I know this is an autistic as fuck question to ask but if Hard Reset is a prequel why the hell isn't Walker decked out with a cool upgraded level action shotty, flamethrower and modular machine gun?

>>11033851
Walker isn't the scav from 2063/afteglow

>>11033809

Problem is the balance in Doom 2 has been subtly wrong all these years. Shotgun is redundant in Doom 2. SSG takes care of the high damage while chaingun fills the role of longer range control better.

Weapon mods that buff the shotgun fire rate and accuracy, while nerfing the SSG's reload speed, achieve true gaming perfection. The popularity of a rifle to replace the pistol is also something I am in favour of.

I think this might be why I have this feeling deep down inside that Quake is just a flat out better game, despite Doom 2 and all its community content being my favourite game for decades by now.

>>11033859
No, he is...
>just remembered Walker is someone I met in Afterglow
God damn I really need to replay the whole series once Episode 3 is out.

>>11033872
>Problem is the balance in Doom 2 has been subtly wrong all these years.
It's not subtle, it gives the SSG way too early and has wrongly convinced people that the shotgun and rocket launcher are useless compared to it.

>>11033872
>Weapon mods that buff the shotgun fire rate and accuracy, while nerfing the SSG's reload speed, achieve true gaming perfection.
SSG is perfect where its at, especially compared to the rocket launcher and plasma rifle. I wouldn’t have opposed Doom 2 giving small, minor buffs to both the chaingun and shotgun.
>I think this might be why I have this feeling deep down inside that Quake is just a flat out better game.
The nailgun balance is tricky, hard to find a consensus on the best way to balance them.

>Sunder - Map 19
>Russian Overkill
Yup, it's gaming time

>>11033872
>Problem is the balance in Doom 2 has been subtly wrong all these years.
It isn't subtle, most people agree that giving it on the very second level wasn't a great idea.
>I think this might be why I have this feeling deep down inside that Quake is just a flat out better game
Quake's arsenal has its own problems and were designed for taking on smaller enemy counts.

Anyone know why Brutal Doom is warping textures at times with free look on? Is that just how it is or do I have something fucked up?

>>11034178
Enable hardware rendering.

>>11030941
Too bad RoE is so short. I wished the now-defunct Doom 3 community were active these days making more custom maps and shit

>>11034082
I suspect opinions would be different if the most common healthpools encountered in each game were flipped: Most of what you blast through in Doom 1 and 2 are zombies and imps, perfect shell fodder. Those similar kind of “squishy targets” only show up in like four or five vanilla Quake 1 maps.

I'm enjoying the contrast of serious PM monsters with the definitely unserious UNGA BUNGA of Typhon. It's really satisfying to charge punch a Void Walker in the face when he creeps up to scream at you.

>>11034082
>>11033912

It's not just a problem in the IWAD though, the fact it's not balanced is why that's even a problem. That's why you see mapsets like Scythe etc withhold it for most of their levels, and in general I would say it's a big factor behind the whole Doom community's pistolstart autism. It's too hard to ramp up the power level because as soon as the player gets the SSG it's over for 90% of the enemy roster, so the mapper has to work around it.

It's a pretty fundamental flaw in the gameplay, it's just one we have all gotten used to over the years. It would have been great if there was like, some kind of standardised weaponset the community all agreed on and started using. Kind of like how most Quake maps basically accept and work on the assumption that the changes made by Copper/AD stuff is the baseline.

>>11034381
Not calling you out, just springboarding off your post
>Scythe
>Plutonia
>Sunlust
>Ancient Aliens
>Eviternity
Do you lads reckon we can come up with a new "top megawads" list from 2018 to present day? 2018 seems arbitrary but I'm trying to get away from Sunlust's release year, 2015. I really never see anybody talk about megawads from the last 7 years.
>Well nothing has been memorable
Is that so? Or have none of us had time to play through the good stuff? (Likely yes, pic related)

>>11034406

>megawads

I think that's most of the issue, it seems like less and less are coming out these days, all of the really memorable stuff in the last few years has kinda moved into more episodic/standalone formats.

>heartland
>myhouse
>lullaby

Like, I actually can't think of a megawad on the level of Ancient Aliens or Scythe that came out in the last 5 years.

>>11032606
fucking respond

>>11034460
Time is a BITCH isn't it?

>>11034381
>it's a big factor behind the whole Doom community's pistolstart autism
As if weapons 5-7 and carried over ammo don't tilt the balance of any map. The appeal of pistol starts is exactly the same for Duke, Blood, and SW. The only thing that the arsenal needs to spur it on is a diverse power scale.

>>11033773
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n9j77ptkec5md/Doomer_Boards_Projects_(01-66)_(06-20-2024)
Hasn't been updated in a while, but central point for all projects is up once again. I believe I got most of them revisions fresh, those lazy doner hoarders are not making it easy. Use download manager or something to get everything at once.

>>11034460
Loads of megawads are coming out all the time, but they're usually community ones and much less solo/small team ones.

Personally I'm fine with smaller wads, megawads usually start to drag on towards the end.

>>11034180
Thanks!

>>11034180
It fixed it but the Doom software render looks so much better

>>11034539
Wakarimasen.

>>11031003
Looks cool.
DBP 12 Into the storm would fit i think.

>>11033747
That is some Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg type shit right there.

Also, yoink!

I took this picture of a chicken we grilled. Might make a good hell texture, I dunno.
Obviously needs some editing.

>>11034675
If you are eat it in this state, it might just be your express ticket to hell.

>>11034675
Just needs some hands on both ends and you got a goatse that bypasses most site rules

>>11034685
Why, what state do you live in?

>>11034675
I miss her...

>>11034478

It cuts the other way too though- Assuming pistolstart means you have to supply everything a player needs within that level, and it negates the purpose of doing stuff like hiding plasma/rockets as secrets in earlier levels as delayed gratification. The feeling of progression through the maps, as well as within the map itself, is important, I think.

(And realistically, most players are loading a save, the pistolstart on death mechanic is kind of the same problem really.)

>>11034604
Thanks a lot

>>11033747
I'm stealing this and you'll get pay to rival 4chan janitors'.

>>11034381
>It's too hard to ramp up the power level because as soon as the player gets the SSG it's over for 90% of the enemy roster
Can you elaborate on what this means, and why the regular shotgun can't deal with this "90% of the enemy roster"?

>>11033731
I do the same, but I use middle click for altfires so it's not much of a difference.
I move using arrow keys though.

Does Quake 1 have any "vanilla+" esque weapon mods like Doom does? I know it's a lot harder to do, would be cool to have a big HMG instead of a nailgun or something just for variety's sake.

>>11033628
Quake definitely has more influence, but mostly things like bhopping/strafejumping and rocket jumping come directly from it. Demonsteele proves that moving around air dashing and dobule jumping while attacking at melee range can work in a Doom environment, and I feel like some game developers took notes from Doom mods like that.

>>11034695
All you need is the one ring to rule them all.

>>11034381
>standardized weaponsetthe community all agreed on and started using
God I fucking hate balance fundamentalists that try to force their arbitrary rules on everyone else. You really want to reduce the variety in Doom wads with your stupid standardization ideas? Thankfully the community's too vast for that to happen.

>>11034675
Gnarly shit

>>11034539
Turn off bilinear texture filtering

>>11033872
>nerfing the SSG
That's stupid because all the Doom 2 monsters are balanced around the broken SSG. Instead the regular shotgun should be buffed to the SSG's level and the SSG be buffed to a post-BFG weapon, because shells are a dogshit-tier ammo type and increasing the tier of the ammo type is an extremely powerful property.

>>11034926
That's harder to do since Quake data is all in one single file whereas Doom you can mix and match, but check out Zerstorer.

>>11035119
>broken SSG
But it's not.

>>11035119
>shells are a dogshit-tier ammo type
Anon. Shells are your workhorse in Doom 1, and they'd be a workhorse in Doom 2 even without the SSG. I feel like in a hypothetical Doom 2 that never had the SSG, some monsters would have their scaled differently and we'd all be shooting the same demons with just the standard shotty and be fine with it.

Hell, even now the standard shotgun can handle Revenants comfortably.

>>11035207
I wouldn't call it broken, but it's just a little lopsided balance wise seeing as it's doing more damage than two normal shotgun blasts. The only thing keeping it in check is the wide spread and slow fire rate.

>>11032340
GzDoom lets you adjust view bobbing and weapon sway, you can even turn them off if you can't stand them at all (GzDoom has a search bar in the options if you can't find it). A lot of people who get motion sickness from Doom find that turning down or disabling the view bob and weapons sway fixes it for them, not everyone, but a lot.

I haven't seen anyone suggest the crosshair before, like the other anon did, but that might actually make a big difference in helping you ground your perspective and focus.

>>11035213
>The only thing keeping it in check is the wide spread and slow fire rate.
And the only thing keeping the chaingun in check is its poor ammo efficiency. And the only thing keeping rockets in check is the splash damage. The SSG has meaningful downsides.
It just shows continuous play as being broken.

>>11034675
>chicken
uhhh, no anon, chicken looks like this

>>11035223
I don't know if I'd call the chaingun inefficient. Seeing as it's really the only use for bullets.

>it's another "faggot whines about the super shotty and muh balance for 12 paragraphs" episode

love the sound
love the damage
love the animation

simple as

>>11035227
It has higher DPS than the shotgun, but can't sustain it for nearly as long because it takes 7 bullets to match 1 shell.

>>11035225
DELET THIS

>>11035230
The chaingun sucks, the only redeeming feature is that it spends bullets. If you ask me it should spend bullets even faster and even more inefficiently with more dps.

>>11035243
I like the chaingun :(

>>11035228
This isn't whining, this is discussion. Go distract yourself with some fnaf tik toks.

>>11032686
Exacto-fucking-mundo. I could not have expressed this better myself, thank you for putting it into words.

>>11033414
>the combat in at least 2016 mattered a lot in the combat arenas
NTA, within the arenas I agree, far better than eternal in that regard imo. Eternal felt like the distilled loop. I liked it overall but I definitely got the exhaustion other anon mentioned. Had to play it in bursts. Also 2016 was more memorable in general to me.
The gameplay concept behind the nu nuDoom of "stand and fight" rather than mobility focused is interesting tho. Focus on projectiles as well. And I'm glad they're changing it up game to game. Eternal felt a different than 2016. I liked 2016 better overall, it was more "fun!", but I'm glad eternal was different and dark ages looks p cool imhofam.
But for level design (and just the higher ceiling for level design) classic Doom has them beat in spades. It's not even close.

>>11035243
The Chaingun is adequate IMO, but I find that making it fire just 1 tic faster per shot makes it a lot more enjoyable to use. Like in Doom 64.

you say doom is your favorite game but you don't even know when doomguy's birthday is

What year do Doom 1 and Doom 2 Classic take place? I know that Doom 3 takes place sometime in the 22nd century.

>>11035449
199X

>>11035449
I think they're confirmed not in the same timeline, but I like to think they happen pretty much at the same time, Doom 1 being hours prior. Either that or >>11035526 is correct and it's a retrofuturistic 90's setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLkOOg0VG6w

>>11035587
Love this dude's work.

>>11035587
This hand looks really weird to me for some reason. Any drawfags wanna chime in? Kegan?

>>11035591
I'm not skilled enough of a drawfriend to really offer too much good constructive feedback when it comes to hands. You might be getting thrown off by some of the extra wrinkles on the hand, or how thick his wrist is. But it seems good to me in general.
Really this guy impresses the hell out of me, he makes all this shit using Krita and I think it looks great.

>>11033612

>>11033612
Wow what is this for? Quake?

>>11035587
THIS IS KINO

>>11035719
Yes, specifically Malice but the effect will work in any Quake mod as long as there are custom lightstyles and appropriate textures to project.

How do I edit Brutal Wolfenstein (7.0) to where my bullets go where I shoot without aiming down sights?
Or how do I make aiming down sights not mess up my FOV and sensitivity and completely block my view?
Is there some quick GZDoom variable I can type in console to do one of those two things? Or a file I can delete in the .pk3?
How do I make this mod not a horrible mishmash of conflicting ideas? Why would I want my aiming and vision messed up when I have to endure instant reaction bullet hell in cramped spaces and NEED to headshot stuff? Please help. I was intrigued by the mod in concept but holy fuck this feels awful.

>>11035591

>>11035871
Copy/paste the files and tinker around in Slade.
https://slade.mancubus.net/index.php?page=downloads

>>11035243
>the chaingun sucks
How to tell someone's a member of the cult of the super shotgun.

The chaingun sucks in terms of feedback, it's one of the lamest notable chainguns due to it's lazy firing speed but function wise it's really good and it's role only increased in Doom 2 because they're the best revenant killing weapon due to revvies' high pain chance. And it's really good for sniping.

>>11035898
I like the rate of fire. It's not "minigun-accurate" but with a sufficiently punchy sound replacement it's kinda more like a scifi rotary cannon.

>>11035904
It's serviceable. It's alright. The sound is punchy. The quake 2 chaingun though? Now that's a chaingun.

>>11035925
>The sound is punchy.
Maybe you're thinking of the Doom 64 chaingun. The regular Doom chaingun just reuses the underwhelming pistol sound.

>>11035943
The doom pistol sound is reasonably good as far as pistol sounds go imho. Though, doesn't the enemy chaingunner firing sound use shotgun firing sounds? Kinda funny when you think about it basically.

Hideous Destructor is peak DOOM and I'm tired of pretending it isn't

>>11035998
I still think it has the coolest take on the Plasma Gun and Berserk Pack of any Doom mod. Easily the most transformative Doom mod out there, easily turns it into a whole new game.

>>11035998
For me? It's Project Brutality.

>>11035591

>>11035591
I'm not an artist either, but:
1) Thick wrist as mentioned
2) Flat (or bulging?) palm with no depth
3) Disproportional fingers, with especially weird index one

>>11035998
For me nothing could compare to the original (and TeamTNT enhanced ports) but I'd absolutely place Babel in the Hall of Fame for mods.

>>11033612
Damn, dude. With all the effort you've put into this map/mod, you might as well be on your way to making an original underwater-themed FPS.

>>11036126
I think he's making a game in FTE.
https://fte.triptohell.info/

>>11029763

>>11036272

>>11036272
>Near crushed marine under a left foot
Neat

>>11036272

Quick question from a thread tourist:

How long would it take to learn basic level making for Doom deathmatch?

>>11036338
Like 10 minutes.

>>11036352
Ok, thanks. The doombuilder site seems to be down, but I found the PDF. I want to try replicating the event pavillion were we hold the annual local lanparty.

>Dom
More like dumb kek

>>11036359
dombros not this way

>>11036272

Could someone remind me what the parameter is on DSDA Doom for enabling save/load while recording a demo?

Also, do other ports have this feature yet? I have been busy for a bit less than a year and haven't done any dooming...

>>11036373
-dsdademo IIRC

>>11036382
cheers

>>11031206
Quest 2 has ports of Doom, Quake, RTCW, Quake 2, Prey, and Q3. Unbelievably fun. The doom port lets you load custom wads in, brutal doom is an experience. Use Sidequest.

>>11036091
>but I'd absolutely place Babel in the Hall of Fame for mods.
It feels perfect. I’m having issues listing any concerns or caveats, I think I agree with everything it does regarding weapon and enemy changes.

So. We all know what a boomer shooter is. What's a zoomer shooter?

>>11036394
Probably not retro shit.

>>11036394
Multiplayer-only shooters that are class based and/or battle-royale. Ironically these games are far less "zoom zoom" than boomer shooters and arena shooters.

>>11036370
Romero about to make you build his bitch pyramid

>>11033774
I used to play a fair bit of Counter-Strike a long time ago. I got it from even before that though, it was how Half-Life was configured when I first played it, and probably configured like that by my brother (who may have gotten it from Counter-Strike or Quake conventions).
I played Quake 2 and Terminator Future Shock before even that though, but I can't remember if we had jump bound to right mouse back then.

Was a long, looong time ago now, but I think I'll ask my brother if he remembers.