/vr/ - Retro Games

Karna's not bad, but best? Come on. She loses major points for "snot-nose!" alone.

>>11009558
I want Karna to punch me and heal me ad infinitum
but I prefer Taya

>>11009697
Taya's stone cold.

We're talking just SF2, right?
It's obviously May, there's no contest.

>>11009606
Let's be honest, SF1 girls are generally a tier higher.

What level or rather what battle do you like to promote on SF 2 Super difficulty? Just got past the chess match and I'm not sure if I should promote now or not. Don't want to completely trivalize the endgame, but it also feels like a waste promoting while enemies are still giving good XP unpromoted.

>>11010502
I WANT TO MARRY SARAH

>>11010502
I usually promote where you are. The Willard battle is a great place to grind fresh promotions.

>>11010530
She only likes strong and handsome men, anon. Sorry.

>>11010608
>strong and handsome men
Sounds like me.

>>11010682
OK, fuse two jewels into your neck and you're good to go.

>>11009558

The artwork from SFII is very memorable.

>Dat manga scene of Karna in the springs...

>>11010943
She can punch and kick me anyday!

I tried a walk through walls code, after I beat Zeon

Turns out if you walk out of Granseal past the guy who usually blocks you, then you appear on world map where Granseal used to be except that it isn't there anymore so you cant get back in to finish the game.

BUT if you go back into the tower, you can watch the ENTIRE last cutscene again (its long) and then wake up 1 year later AGAIN.

Then I walked through walls out the docks, and the ship was doing the "emergency leave the earthquake now" music. Nearly got in to see New Granseal again after the whole Zeon thing.

Not sure who wanted to know but I enjoy seeing how these games work when you bypass things they didn't plan on you being able to bypass

>>11010912
and we're never going to get it ever again...

It always bothered me that Granseal gets rebuilt just like new. Would've been better if the ending took place in a more developed New Granseal instead.
>>11009558
Only Mayfair can save my game.

>>11012481
>Would've been better if the ending took place in a more developed New Granseal instead
Are we sure they had enough kbs left?
There was plans for sea battles that got removed due lack of space.

>>11012374
well you could always find an artist who can do a similar style and commission something, if you're really that into it

>>11010079
There isn't a tail? Then love's sure to fail.
Her bottom's a horse? She's best in the Force

>>11009558
I like Sarah more but Karna has big heals and boost so she stays in the party.

>>11012642
Based!

>>11009558
cause she murders shit, and its great

>>11012053
This is actually really interesting. Can you tell us how you did the walk through walls code?

>>11012595
>There was plans for sea battles that got removed due lack of space.
Is this true? Very interesting if so.

>>11009558
Futa elf?

>>11010912
>>11012374
Fumio Iida aka SUZEN has done a shit ton of work and is still alive.

He is the character designer for Shining Force 2 and has done a lot of work in other games and animes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5mFDXXUhIs
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0407331/

>>11012805
I like how May is a Centaur but her horse-half is still petite and cute.

>>11013169
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5mFDXXUhIs [Embed]
Magical Hoppers is just the Japanese Pandemonium!

>>11013169
>SUZEN
Suezen

>>11013171
It's because she's young.

>>11013051
The Game Genie community online is very open and helpful, they taught me how to decrypt a Game Genie code so that you can modify the code using item tables from the game, so I'm making my own codes now to manipulate item shops

but the walk through walls code is not one of mine

if you are using an emulator, go to the Game Genie/ Cheat section and enter RFKA-A60W to walk through walls. Convenient on the world map, cool to open otherwise inaccessible chests (Mitula shrine), fun to figure out how to avoid mandatory game events by sidestepping

Another one I like is BYEA-F852 which adds Cheerful Bread to the very first weapon shop in Granseal. I just like Kiwi, OK?

I am going to play these games soon, as I enjoy other SRPG games but have not tried this series. Anything particular (like 90s playground type advice) I should know, or will I be fine if I've played a lot of FFT/FE/etc?
Didn't know this series had elf waifus so it jumped up the list considerably just now

>>11013298
I loved this game when it was new, and then played FFT after. I'm glad I did it in this order, because FFT has a richer combat system (terrain height, job class, more different spells, etc)

I would advise you that, if you love medievalist fantasy settings, and grid based combat, and AOE spells, this is a great game for that. If you want it to build on the genre, it's the other way around, FFT built on this.

I still love it but I don't want you to think it's unbearably simple; it was just early. If you fall in love with the world or the characters, I'm sure you will love it.

Oh and also, FFT didn't have cursed items. I sort of enjoy that option.

>>11013298
Game is simple, positioning characters right is basically the game. Just try to channel your inner child while playing this fairy tale.
Party is surprisingly well balanced in a 20/20 game, the only character that has big issues has an HP issue and can be worked as a glass canon.
You probably want to check a where is the mithril guide, as there is a few missables.
For some messed reason Sarah's promotions are bugged: if you make her a Vicar she gets Vicar's stats but the Mastermonk's MP, and monk gets everything good, including what should have been the vicar's MP, so if you like her you need the vigor ball (she's the worst healer for healing).
Karna is easy mode.
Most of the special promotion items appear after you reach level 20 normally.

>>11013298
Play 1 before 2. It has a lot of personality and it's worth playing, but you might get fussy about certain things if you play 2 first.
CD is decent but it's a weird mix of stuff and it doesn't really matter whether you play it before or after 2.

>>11014015
>(she's the worst healer for healing).
You gotta admit, early Heal 4 is pretty good.

>>11013298
>elf waifus
You might want to ctrl+F a walkthrough for the hidden swimsuits.

>>11010092
Anri is metal

>>11014334
Eh, going by the alt outfit, I'd expect more of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07JJJLns_l0

>CD had milf Anri but no other SF1 girls
It's not fair

>>11010092
>>11014334
>That one Shining Force hentai dojin...

>>11015056
>no Tao or Anri.
Disappointing.

>>11009558
i though Karna was......smaller

>>11014015
NTA but trying II for the first time and not knowing turn order is kind of a bummer. I don't mind it being random/based on agi, but not even being able to see their stats to gauge it is too much on that side of dnd I don't prefer

>>11009558
don't have enough items to make all the grills sexy monks.
i think i picked the horseman so i can have another spear thrower.

>>11014015
>>11013345
Monks and healers in general are easy to cheese because healspam XP. but you don't need all of them.

all mages and birdmen are glass cannons IIRC. except birdmen can't shoot stuff. but you kinda need the birdies for that 1 mission at sea.
other than those, the Rat guy is pretty weak at first but becomes fast and strong once it class-changes into a Ninja. the Turtle monster is super weak against magic because of it stupidly low HP; its high DEF don't block magic damage.

>>11014190
its not early, and it pales in comparison to having aura available.
sarah is dumpy, frumpy trash.

>>11017236
there is a difference between "glass cannon" and "just glass". luke sucks. screech... functions... but he's nothing special.

How is Shining Force 3? What's the best emulator for it?

>>11010079
>>11012642
>>11012805
>>11013171

>>11017423
>sarah is dumpy, frumpy trash
I will slap your shit

>>11017669
she won't let you fuck her, Kazin

>>11017423
It's the earliest full heal in the game by far, unless you waste turns and egress to power level other healers.

>>11017615
>How is Shining Force 3?
Pretty cool.
>What's the best emulator for it?
Mednafen, but it's a bit complicated to use. You might want to try out Retroarch with Beetle Saturn core, I guess.

>>11012053
>>11013051
Anons learn how basic scripting works.

>>11017206
Compare the shadow in her chest with her waist.

>>11018151
I mean, she looked like a loli in-game. I didn't look up the manual.

>>11017997
>earliest full heal
>she gets it at level 40 (or 20 post promotion)
thats basically at the return to grans, and still single target (and shit range).
meanwhile, you can cast boost before engaging and not take nearly as much damage, and keep multiple people healthy with aura, on top of having a greater experience gain rate than sarah.

>>11018959
Single target is fine and return to Grans is still early in comparison to the alternatives, especially considering you don't need that much healing before that.
Relying on Boost and Auras weaker than Aura 4 is stiffling and requires your Force to regularly group up.

>>11009994
Giggle giggle squeak.

>>11018151
It's so strange knowing all these years later that a twiggy elf girl is the strongest unit in game.

Calling on playthrough-anon for an update. He must be close to finishing the game by now. He probably got filtered by the frustrating dwarven blacksmith.

>>11019361
Sheila is as big, and the princess is closer to Jessica Rabbit's ratio.

>>11020447
I think the idea was that Sarah was hiding her power levels with those robes.

>>11018151
She has a weird face. The other ladies have pretty faces

>>11020503
Okay well now I want to marry both horse and elf archer

>>11020543
>She has a weird face
Pinchable face.

>>11020391
Finally persuading myself to not care about things like dwarven blacksmiths and such in RPGs that are easy enough to not need them made RPGs so much better for me

>>11020503
Turning the lovey-dovey elf archer into a tank driver

>>11021687
I was NOT expecting original content here, but a pleasant surprise indeed.

>>11021718
Honestly, I'm the same way now. Whenever I play, I just roll the dice once and accept what I get.

>>11021687
>>11022705
Hell yeah bro.

>>11014334
I'm gonna need some sauce on that, my man.

>>11009558
sorry wrong pic

I can't believe Masqurin bros are ded.

If Sarah's so great how come she did jack shit in Shining Wisdom

>>11023169
It's from one of the two SF Mangas. Daring dress is canon... sort of.

>>11023061
different anon,
I would like to car eless it's just that I feel like Slade has to have the Gisarme.

>>11023845
Was sad to learn this Mitula was a commission
I'd love to have more shining force art by this artist

>>11009558
I'm giving my vote to Diane.
I recently finished the GBA Shining Force and I was pleasantly surprised with her.
Her attacks were weak, but after promoting her and giving her a new weapon, she became very useful. Unlimited attacks from a higher distance than any other member from my party, high accuracy and pretty decent power attack.
For a character who is so often criticized, she ended up being more useful than Zylos, who sucked ass after the promotion, Mae and Balbaroy, who were often one-killed, or the dark magicians, who have limited attacks and I get the impression they were nerfed compared to the powerhouses from the Mega Drive version... Maybe I was unlucky with the RNG, but Diane was already being useful after the promotion.

>>11025082
I've only ever played on normal difficulty but I always found archers a lot more useful than their reputation. Not amazing, but worth having one around.

>>11019101
>requires your Force to regularly group up.
why is this a bad thing exactly? your primary advantage in these games is that your units are all together, but the enemy is spread out. boost and aura just support that even more.

even for situations where you're taking more damage and "need" a full heal, its still single target, single turn. its unlikely that damage isnt being spread about the rest of the force. the best thing to accompany that is everyone carrying healing seeds/drops as necessary to use in their off turns. however, you can also use that tactic to supplement boost/aura, with far less risk and far higher efficiency. you're kidding yourself if you think sarah can actually contribute as much as others.

and again, she has the slowest exp gain rate, so the other healers pull ahead and outclass her much faster.

>>11025082
>Zylos, who sucked ass after the promotion
i dont understand what causes this for people. i swear it even happened to me once years ago, but in every subsequent playthrough he has been an absolute baller from start to finish, and promoting did nothing to change that.

>>11025257
The first game had some shenanigans when it came to level ups. My Balbaroy once went four levels in a row without a stat gain.

Mae

>>11025792
Mae

I replayed Gaiden recently, and now I have taken the Dawn pill. That said, Anri grew up to be a serious QILF.

>>11026043
I gave up on preaching this, but yeah, Dawn just might be the best female centaur (unless you like them younger).
Gaiden series in general got some of the best girls.

>>11009558
I want a new Shining Force game so bad, bros...

>not on fightcade
Someone put this on there.

How did they beat this thing? Did they sacrifice Kiwi?

>>11026043
More horsies? For the first time ever, I have an urge to play a Game Gear game

>>11026797
She's in the second book of CD too.

>>11026797
Frabell looks like a dark elf with some goblin heritage with that facial expression.

>>11026090
>Gaiden series in general got some of the best girls.
As expected from Hiroshi Kajiyama.

>>11026090
Isn't Wendy related to Tao and Diane?

>>11027004
Yep. She's the youngest sister.

>>11022705
>shinig

>>11024038
You're dead!

>>11026781
you buy healing drops for characters that can be outside the lightning's range and walk to heal Bowie in a turn, and have enough HP to survive being hit at least once.
You use one character each time so they have a shot at running alive after healing.

>>11028434
at that point in the game, you probably only need seeds. also you can have luke and peter fly behind him to potentially draw aggro for a turn.

>>11026781
>>11028434
What the hell
I thought you meant in the picture
Bowie can't equip Achilles sword pre-promotion so that pic shows a hopeless scenario
ingame and after promotion he shouldn't be too hard either, just keep your healers around and you should be okay

>>11028717
>Bowie can't equip Achilles sword pre-promotion
He can, it's why you can promote him after Creed.
https://sf2.shiningforcecentral.com/weapons/swords/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usxIycPvqk0
Talos is an XP check, not a promotion check.
In the pic they're fucked because at best Bowie can slash Taros's hand when it's approaching, and the whole sword will go before.

>>11009558
Sega fan for years, somehow managed to completely overlook Shining Force until recently. Really want to play II, but am I missing anything by skipping I?

>>11030136
I was in a similar boat and just played 1 and 2 for the first time. I recommend trying 1 if you are open to it, it's a good game and not too long. If you find it too antiquated you can go to 2, but going back to 1 after starting with 2 will be more difficult.

>>11030136
you're not missing anything critical or major "plot" points. the games are very separate. they have some different set pieces and adventure progression, so i 1 can still be worth it. however, there are some tediums and frustrations present in 1 that can somewhat detract from the experience (fans will generally say its still worth it at least once. i do). however, sf2 fixes a long list of QoL things from sf1, its a little longer, and a lot more consistent. if you jump right to sf2 and then go to sf1, those flaws will dramatically stand out, and you probably wont want to deal with it. this is another reason why people will generally say to do sf1 first, because if you dont "know" or notice the flaws, or know how smooth it COULD be, then you're more likely to just tolerate it and stick it out.

>>11030136
I like 1 a little better than 2 despite its flaws. There's just something about it. 2 fixes a lot of things but it feels half baked in other ways, especially further in. They're both worth playing.
The dungeon crawlers are also really good. The only classic Shining game that sucks is Wisdom.

>>11009558
A challenger approaches...

I've played a lot of XCOM and Fire Emblem, and I like Golden Sun so I've been meaning to check out Shining Force

Where do I start?

>>11030136
I played 2 first before 1, but I went and played 1 eventually and loved it. The stories don't really connect, like Zelda, so you're good.

>>11031386
Shining Force 1 or 2 is a good entry point.

>>11030164
>>11030530
>>11030548
>>11031387
Awesome. Cheers anons, much obliged! Think I might try 1 first and see if I can stick it. Always remember wishing I'd played Phantasy Star 1 before 2 and 4, so I should learn my lesson!

>>11032765
good luck, and dont be afraid to keep us updated and/or ask for help!

>>11032765
Nice pic!!

>>11032765
That's a man.

>>11031383
Kek

>>11030136
>>11030164
I played II a lot but I can't play I. It's too ugly, janky and sounds bad.

>>11035278
there's no technical jank, but it feels bad because many maps are terrible

>>11035649
>there's no technical jank
only max can receive items from chests
experience doesnt roll over. you're at 96 exp and get a kill for 48? congrats, you're up a level but at 0.
sometimes you gain a level with zero stat gain
certain enemy units have retarded dodge chance
some characters have retarded stat growth (hans gaining 5 levels of straight speed and ZERO attack).
some units join severely underleveled and require immense catering.
stat loss on promotion.

i would definitely call that jank. also, literally every single one of those points is fixed in sf2.

I'm gooning to this thread rn

>>11035680
Not sure if a bad experience that was definitely intended should count as jank, because most of what you said was just par for the rpg course
Stat loss at propotion is absolutely evil and I agree with you there

>>11036360
>was definitely intended
even assuming that it was "definitely intended", shitty game design is definitely jank when its wildly unintuitive and inconvenient. the ONLY thing on my list that i would be remotely willing to concede on is the dodge chance part, but its still to fucking high. everything else serves no point or purpose.

>>11009558
How old is she?

>>11037443
Probably hundred something years old.

>>11017615
>centaurs allowing someone to ride them
Nice.

Did this 3D project get to somewhere else?

>>11039784
What is this and where is it from?

>>11040542
Some guy was remaking SFII in 3D. Google around.

>>11009558
Bubblegum hair is best hair

>>11042096
Not sure if this was recently made but damn, this is incredible well made.

>>11025082
Diane isn't bad, but Lyle(?) the ranged centaur, makes her obsolete. Diane will deal damage just the same, if not slightly lower but Lyle will have high movement across clear terrain. I usually take the former if I want a 2nd ranged unit on some play throughs, but the latter gets a guaranteed spot on every run.

>>11036691
Good lord, you're stupid.

>>11042271
too bad you dont have any counterpoints. i accept your concession.

>>11026090
Man I miss 90's anime style

>>11042375
You're way too dumb to understand the purpose of those limitations. Hell, they don't even matter since it's easiest, most basic TRPG for children. Jesus christ. You also have no idea what "jank" actually means. Don't even reply to me.

>>11042395
>the purpose of those limitations
i highly doubt that you could articulate what the "purpose" was, or why they did away with all of it for the sequel. you have no argument, only shit posting for some strange reason.

>>11025082
My Zylo in my last game where I promoted at 20 on Genny was one of my strongest party members. Not sure if it's random or he's just that much better if you get him to 20 first.

>>11042096
Goddamn. Where did you find this?

>>11042784
SF1 is very random. I've finished one run with Max with 40 HP at 10/22, then he got 12 HP while I was killing the Dark Dragon.

>>11043947
Yeah, the variance seems higher in the first game than later entries. I once had Mae gain 11 Defense on the last map of Chapter 1 making her an awesome front liner for the whole game.

Armored centaur girls are the best!
>>11025792
>>11026043

>no Chiquitita
Garbage thread OP

>>11044303

>>11042784
All my characters were promoted at level 20, I'm assuming I just had bad luck with the RNG. My Mae also became a glass cannon, with very powerful attacks but ridiculously low defense.

>>11044816
Yeah in most of my games I've had Zylo become pretty weak after promotion, but I always used to promote at 10. After seeing people talk about always using the lowest level party members as a challenge I really want to play through it again that way

>no love for Cameela
:(

>>11042096
I like to think that in shining all priests are just sort of quietly expected to go do squats or something in their off time

>autosage
See you all next thread

>>11046931
>autosage
Wtf why?

>>11046578
you should look into "the wrong way to use healing magic"

>>11047150
because its been 2 weeks.