/vr/ - Retro Games

Challenge 2: Get this boss down to red then time him out (no shooting).

pulled off the 1-2 chain for the second time in my life, it was beautiful..

then I fucking got hit by the boss and lost the bonus

then I threw away the run completely in the next stage

yes! made it to st6 again

>>1082081
>> DDP is easy
>post your scores

Dude, no one will ever need to fucking post scores to support the claim that DDP is easy up to stage 4.

>>1083937
eh its easy enough to chain the first four stages. 1-5 chain is too risky, don't bother with it. don't even talk about survival, please.

>>1083937
post your st3 scores

>>1083939
st1 and 3 are impossible to fully chain

>>1083929
Use type c with shooting type and you will double this score fucking easy by stage 6 if you dont bomb to break chains to much.

>>1083947
I didn't say fully chain, chaining them to their full potential. 1-3 chain can be a bit tricky but nothing that you can't handle after a little practice.

>>1083948
c-s is a great shot type if you want to get a quick 1cc, but just use a-l, it's arguably the best for scoring if you're good enough.

>>1082258
>playing TATE'd Batrider on Advanced Course with Strawman C/Flying Baron A/Miyamoto C
>get up to Envy
>become assrape

Oh god, this game... love it, but it's so brutal.

Playing RECCA lately.
Also bought it on 3DS's eShop. The flickering isn't as fast probably to avoid epillepsi seizures. I prefer playing it on emulator though. Feels more fluid.

There any shmups that incorporate gravity/inertia into your ship's movement? Just curious

>>1084627
That's actually the last thing you want in a shmup.
I know they exist because I have heard complaints. But didn't bother to alocate space in mind to remember such unimportant title

more Soukyugurentai art dawg

>>1084627
Probably Sub-Terrania on the Genesis.

>>1084627
Bangai-o
Mr. Heli
Cybernoid

Also Gradius Gaiden has a black hole level but it pulls in the scenery instead of your ship.

What's a good game to get into shmups?

>>1084829
Dodonpachi, Gradius etc. Start with the obvious ones.

>>1084834
Okay gotcha.

Also, I'm guessing 'bullet hell' is a sub genre of shmups?

>>1084829
Lords of Thunder!

A friend showed this one today, it's a 2008 Shmup called GENETOS, it's not that known and it's rather easy, but it's a game that combines Radiant silvergun with Touhou.
http://www.tatsuya-koyama.com/software/wg002_genetos_eng.html it's free!!! so download it and give impressions.

>>1084829
Find a game that you like and play that, that would be my tip. Horizontal, vertical, modern, retro, bullet hell, fixed screen and so on, you probably have an idea of what kind of shooter you wanna play.

or go crazy and get really into Cabal shooters.

>>1084627
asteroids

we scoring now?

>>1084627
Gravitar on arcade/Atari 2600 was surprisingly advanced for an Atari game. You could visit several worlds (which played like Defender but with a gravity effect) from the hub-world (which played like Asteroids).

>>1085843
very good. is that a 1-all?

>>1085945
nah, just trying to get better at chaining in stage 1

>>1085954
oh shit I thought there was an extra zero at the end haha

3m is possible but hardly ever happens so I consider a 2.8 or 2.9 near perfect st1: That includes getting more than two big stars from the boss.

I found out how to rip backgrounds, does anyone want to help me out?

I'm working on st1, st2, st3. You can use F4 in mame then [ and ] to look at the layers as you play through the stage to see the backgrounds and foreground tiles.

st3 is too large to post... imgur scaled down version at geRxXSI.jpg

This thread reminded me the first time I played a SHMUP semi-seriously

>WARNING a huge battleship TITANIC LANCE is approacing fast

Which are your favorite shmup bosses?

>>1086205
the baddest fucking game

>>1086276
The worst thing is, judging on the background, is that there are more of this behemot

>>1086285

All those explosions on the background planet of the brief stage prior are most obviously bombings from the other Titanic Lance ships. But hey, you managed to destroy one of them! You should consider yourself a hero and move on to the next zone already!

Talking about Darius, is there a lore about the enemy ships?

>>1086291
Not lore, but there were design docs of the Darius Gaiden ships on one japanese site. It's dead now, but it is still up on archive.org:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080327033403/http://www11.big.or.jp/~kurabar/DARASOTO/daraboss.shtml

>>1086205
Probably this.

It's like I'm really fighting R-Type!

>>1086404
>http://web.archive.org/web/20080327033403/http://www11.big.or.jp/~kurabar/DARASOTO/daraboss.shtml
fantastic

Guys, what's your opinion on Change Air Blade?

>>1082258
I like toho can I post in this bread?

does anyone here that runs MAME Slowpoke mind telling me how you can change the Slowdown? I can't find that setting and no one online says how to get to it, just that it's supposedly in the build. It plays the games fine but I'd still like to dick around with it some.

>>1086767
Tab -> slider controls -> blitter delay

>>1086815
Jesus..
thanks alot, man. I didn't even know what "blitter" meant.

>>1086878
Nope, I take that back, no "blitter" options for me to fuck with.

did I get the wrong build?

>>1083954
I always had an easier time going through the levels with a-l. Except for one particular moment in stage 4 which is tricky with the straight shot.

STG thread? More like dead genre

>>1088159
omg epic xD a grat one

>>1088159
>dead genre
Everyone has a 360. Not dead.

>>1087632
A-L is better for scoring in my opinion. For C-S, all I did for my cheesy 1-ALL was autofire and go from left to right, no dodging required. You could even loop it like this if you used your bombs and don't die.

ZBL-NAI was able to get a 2-ALL only a year after the game came out, but he's pretty godlike anyway. He was able to get 700M or so as well, so that shows you can get a pretty high score, even with C-S.

>>1086582

Good thing that mofo didn't have a Cyclone Force. Or a Hyper Wave Cannon.

So what's your favourite Shmup series?

>>1088416
My favorites aren't part of a series, but if I have to say one, I'd say Darius

Anybody looking forward to Star Captain?

>>1088416
I'd have to say Darius or Fantasy Zone.

Probably Fantasy Zone is my total fav, just because I try to pop it in at least once every day.

fuck ketsui. fuck ura.

>>1088416
Gradius, R-Type, Darius


All horis.

Just finished Aleste.

It was okay. It was pretty much a slightly better Zanac (MSX); though inferior to the NES Zanac, I think. So much slowdown and flickering.

I hope the series gets better.

>>1088703
>I hope the series gets better.

Nigga you are dumb

>>1088646

MSX carts look rad as hell.

So is it actually possible to complete Darius Gaiden without ever bombing?

like holy shit

>>1088989

Are those yours?

>>1086191
Are those supposed to be ships from Yamato at the bottom?

So, I noticed quite a bit of R-Type fanart, and why is there this notion that the R-90's pilot is some girl hooked up to the ship as a biological CPU ?

Apparently Gradius II has unlimited rank. Holy fucking shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKYF49NdENs

What's the hardest shmup you've played?

>>1090971
Ibara on PS2

>>1090971
Truxton, arcade version.

>>1091003
Truxton 2 is even more brutal.

>>1088416
R-Type
And some sequel-less titles

>>1090971
V-V on Genesis (it's a ported *vertical* shmup)
Not even with savestates.

>>1091003
>>1091005

How to tell when a shmup is too hard for its own good: when pro Japanese players frequently use bombs to save themselves instead of hoarding them all throughout their runs.

>>1088416
Dodonpachi. It's an iconic series, truly the king of vertical. I love the ships, the gritty futurepunk setting, and the elegant simplicity of the chaining mechanic. Even though I suck at it.

>>1090680
It's a computer program, "unlimited" is impossible.

>>1090971
Mushime Sama Futari... I probably spelled that all wrong, but... the one where you're a girl flying on a beetle, and the first boss is a T-rex.

>>1091086
I don't think that means a game is too hard. You have bombs for a reason. Use 'em.

>>1091090
>Mushime Sama Futari
Really? I've got this on 360 and I don't think its as hard as Daifukkatsu, but definitely most enjoyable cave shmup if you ask me.

Anyway, there is something weird with 360 cave games. In Daifukkatsu there is difficulty option (I think) I'm going to Rank 4 and there is no change in patterns or number of bullets. In Futari there is no difficulty option, you know in PCB version there is something like Very Hard.

>>1091106
and in Deathsmiles changing difficulty works fine (more bullets)

>>1091108
>>1091106
I was just thinking in terms of default difficulty. Deathsmiles black label 999 is pretty damn hard too.

>>1091086
I think Toaplan always intended bombs to just be a secondary weapon, not a "omg im fucked" button. Hence why some of them take time to actually work.

I'm finally hitting the chain up to the midboss in 1-2 again. Enough for the first score extend, but I feel I need to chain beyond him to be considered competent enough to upload an inp. ;_;

I made a promise to myself to never reset again and I'm going to try my hardest to keep it. The past few runs have been the best I've ever had, it's been so long since I've actually had fun playing an STG that I almost forgot how fun they can be. Stressing over a dropped chain and seeing the first two stages for the past two months was probably the worst way I could have spent practicing this game, thank goodness I'm finally breaking that horrible habit.

>>1091106
>In Futari there is no difficulty option, you know in PCB version there is something like Very Hard.
not sure I follow. Futari has Original, Maniac and Ultra difficulties.

>>1090680
Umm no... it caps at like 38 like any other Gradius. Perhaps you meant infinite loops?

>>1088416
Thunder Force, unless you count RSG+Ikaruga (and the "upcoming" RSG3...) as a series.

>>1084749
>more S

How many hours does it take to 1CC Mushihimesama Futari? It's my first shmup, and it seems pretty impossible. I've played about five hours and so far I can only get to level 3 on 1 credit.

Fact: the best thing about this genre is the music. The gameplay is just icing.

>>1092083
Start with something casual, bro. That game is fucking nuts. The likely answer is "never". Fortunately, its still fun even if you can't beat it legit. There are plenty of easier shooters to get into for a newbie. Also; not retro.

i know stage 1 by heart now, but i can barely make it to stage 4 on 1 credit. :C

>>1092106
also fucking hlsl screenshot got stretched

I'm new to the genre.

My favorites are Gradius V, with Gradius Gaiden following behind. I like Raiden and Raiden II a lot too.

What else should I play?

>>1088416
do Raizing games fall under a series?

>>1092145
I'd say the Yagawa trilogy does (Garegga, Batrider, Bakraid)

>>1092120
Darius Gaiden, Progear, Thunder Force 4, Sengoku Blade, Cotton Boomerang, and last but not least, Border Down.

>>1091647
Yes you are right, but there are options in service menu on PCB (on mame)
Dunno if this change anything, I'm always doing this when first time playing any game on mame

Terra Diver is a great game

Gradius II 2 was alright - about on par with Gradius 2. So far, I'm not really a big fan of the Gradius games. Maybe III will be better.

Oh, and the first Parodius wasn't that great, either; but I didn't really expect much anyways.

>>1091106
>a giant android girl will never jam you up her pussy

>>1088416
Image Fight

>>1092814
Play Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius on Saturn, it's like the best in that series IMO.

Has anyone here gotten a 'tate setup running with GroovyMAME / CRT_EMUdriver?

SHMUPmame is good for an LCD, but you haven't seen a shooting game until you've output the native resolution and sync rate. These are some serious hacks.

>>1091106
Chief Arino plays Mushimesama Futari and comments on the quality of Cave games

>>1086191
requesting stage 2 from both dodonpachi and dai-ou-jou

Goddamn I can't beat this game without using the Konami Code.
I just tried the arcade version, it's even worse. I've been playing this shit for months, I WANT CLOSURE. ;_;

>>1094234
It isn't hard, practice more and you'll loop it in no time npnp. There's a few tough parts to it that you'll need to know about, but I assume you already know them.

>>1094246
Man, I beat it one time and that was with using the konami code like 6 times on the last level. It's just ridiculous. I'm near to the point where I'll just start playing 2, I don't want to kill my fun.

>>1094234
>Gradius 1
>hard

Go play R-Type for a while, then come back to it. You'll laugh at how easy it'll be.

>>1094234
If you don't have the insane patience to 1cc a shmup, you could always just use save states between levels and focus on mastering one stage at a time instead. You won't have bragging rights, but you'll have much more fun.

Watch out for rank, though. It's a bitch.

>>1094234
You should use only one option on the first two levels to minimize the rank, also don't use laser in the first stage, picking up laser rises the rank quite a bit.

I have a little question/request to ask guys, it's possible to emulate with MAME the latest 2 Dodonpachis (Saidaioujou and Dai-Fukkatsu)?

>>1095569
There are Mame versions that support the systems that thei are on, but there's no dumps.

>>1094851
Save states are really nice for testing different techniques in some games, but rank is indeed a bitch. I don't know how to work around the rank in YGW games, so I just do runs when I play those.

>>1095569
I don't even think the DFK rom has even been dumped yet. Maybe in a few more years.

>>1095615
in YGW game you should avoid getting too many extra ships, keep 2 ships at max, don't shoot when there's nothing to destroy, learn the secrets and just be fucking good at the game.

>>1093641
Not much play but suffer passively, but yeah, it left him an impression.

>>1094851
wow, I just looked up what rank is. this is probably only a small part of why I'm so bad at these games

>>1096348
I wish every game had a rank algorithm system. It would weed out all the casuals and neo-gamers that plague the industry.

>>1096353
Are there even other games besides God Hand that has rank system outside of shump genre?

>>1096353
So in Super Mario Bros. it spawns more enemies if you get a fire flower?

>>1096353
>It would weed out all the casuals and neo-gamers that plague the industry.

Do you even know what rank does?

>>1096357
Do rpgs with level scaling count? Some of them are broken in this regard so you are better off not leveling.

>>1096384
Punishes people for trying to get overly powerful with power-ups.

>>1096479
but shouldn't the game be designed around the powerups available in the first place?

>>1096483
no. casuals will ragequit the game before understanding what's going on behind the scenes

see: IGN and God Hand 3.0 review

>>1096491
I meant designed around the powerups available in the first place, as in the powerups available should be balanced for the game instead of having to crank up enemies and boss hp or whatever to compensate

>>1096479
Why do you want to punish people for that? If your players get too many power-ups, why not just make a game with less power-ups...?

Why does everyone prefer Batrider over Bakraid >:?

Batrider suffers from poor visibility IMO.

>>1096554

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." - Luke 12:48

>>1096651
I don't like the playable ships in Battle Bakraid at all but Batrider has a lot of really nice ones.

>>1096658
Jesus wouldn't waste his time playing a game with rank.

>>1096660
Jesus died to lower your rank.

>>1096658
>>1096660
>>1096664
This is the best thing I've seen on /vr/ all day.

>>1082258
What game is this??

>>1096679
It's not a real game, it's loli fanart of a bunch of ships from random STG's.

>>1096680
darn I wanted to play as little loli's shooting at things

>>1096690
Is it possible? An STG fan who's not heard of 東方?

>>1096694
>東方
what dat

>>1096694
>>1096734
Seriously what is that?

>>1096753
Google it.

>>1096734
Oh boy.

you come to wrong neighborhood gaijin

>>1096758
>all results are in japanese
are you dumb

>>1096796
>>1096753
touhou

>>1096383
Really? What games do this?

>>1097185
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

>>1097185
Oblivion can be completely broken by staying at level. Summoning a Daedroth against level 1 foes is hilarious. He just smacks them down in one hit.

You can break FF8's level scaling by staying low, too. Many enemies (notably dragons) won't even get their good attacks.

>>1097194

Too bad ES level scaling is shit and only serves to make the game easier

>>1097880
It's not that it makes the difficulty easy, it's that it is in lock-step with your level, and there's no real surprises or out-of-depth encounters, and that all the random bums come with Glass/Daedric at higher levels. Morrowind didn't go random enough: Once you know where the Daedric Dai-katana is you're set. Daggerfall is pretty alright except for how common Daedric gets at higher levels, and that Luck affects item drops.

>>1098031
Are there any good mods that fix this?

Should I shell out 10,000 yen for a VHS tape of ECM-S.I's 1-miss superplay of Radiant Silvergun, /vr/?

>>1098552
only fools buy superplays.

>>1098579
o-okay

>>1098109
For Oblivion, OOO helps a lot. For the other two I don't know.

Space Harrier II was alright. Somehow it lacked the magic of the original though.

>>1099856
>dat cover

What is it with Japan and the Flatwoods Monster?

>>1099856
what technology did SHII and Panorama Cotton use to achieve the "mode 7 effect"?

>>1096353
I bet you think Battle Garegga is well designed

>>1100379
It is, so long as you remember to follow its rules. Batrider, on the other hand, is bullshit.

I'm somewhat out of the game, so to say, so I'm doing horrible in these games.

Any list of shmups that have comical themes, or just play as little girls in robots or something? I know the various Parodius games, Twinbee, Otomedius (can't play since arcade isn't emulatable), Touhou, and Harmful Park, but I'm looking for some more.

Preferably casual-friendly, if possible, so I can get back into the groove. I mean, I can't even beat the Moai stage in Gradius (1985), I'm that casual right now.

>>1100460
Fantasy Zone is pretty easy to get into, and quite fun.

>>1100460
Deathsmiles when played on rank 1.

>>1100387
How is having to kill yourself good design?

Sometimes I wish someone romhacked Garegga to make it less shit.

>>1100515
Oh, so that's where Opa-Opa is from. I'm definitely giving this a try. Which system would you recommend it on?

>>1100518
Don't have a 360, so I can't try this one out unless the arcade one is emulated.

Guys. Get Space Megaforce / Super Aleste for your SNES emulator and play it RIGHT NOW. SO fucking good.

And don't forget about the button that modifies your weapon's shot. Very useful.

>>1100564
What's wrong with that? Powering down with ! in Gradius and bumping into non-bullet objects in Psikyo games is the same fundamental concept. If you don't like rank, don't play games where you have to manage it.

>>1100595
Blazing Lasers is better.

>>1100602
Well, where do I even start.

First of all, the ! isn't in any Gradius game except for 3.

Second of all, the rank in Gradius games is so much less obscure, if you don't want to make the game harder, just limit the amount of options you get.

Hell, I completed some Gradius games with a fully powered up ship and the rank wasn't even that noticeable (it's only really noticeable if you get 4 options and the option hunter spawns).

>>1100595
WELCOME to the underworld...

>>1100606
I really like that one too, but Megaforce has the quality of a SNES game that Lasers can't really compare to, in my opinion. It's also got more weapons and more replayability with its 5 difficulties.

>>1100613
GIVE ME A BREAK, WILL YOU

>>1100619
Fanzy beading nyu here.

>>1100625
It took me forever to fucking learn what he was saying with that one.

>>1100564
Good design is rewarding the use of available resources and increasing challenge and reward through their management.

So yes the death mechanic in raizing games is good design as it increases complexity by adding an extra resource to be managed and also acts as a way to naturally scale difficulty.

Bad design is penalizing use of bombs and having a scoring run end when you die or w/e.

>>1099945
Is it in anything besides this and Majora's Mask?

Genesis had the best shmups.

>>1101170

Nope, arcades had the best shoot 'em ups.

>>1100775
The problem is, this death mechanic is really obscure unless someone else tells you about it, it's dumb and gay.

>>1100775
>yes the death mechanic in raizing games is good design

Let's be honest: you wouldn't even know how rank works if it weren't for the internet.

Thunder Force II was mediocre. The sidescrolling parts were meh; and the overhead stages flat out sucked.

Moving on.

>>1101385
And Thunder Force III is piss easy. Things get better with IV.

I've never really liked Xevious. Fardraut Saga was a little better, but still lousy.

Hellfire wasn't too bad, but not great either. Switching weapon directions never stopped being clunky.

I wonder when Toaplan shooters actually starting being *good*.

>>1101357
I don't really get this argument. The internet is a fact of life. It's in almost every household in the first world, so saying "you wouldn't know about ___ if it weren't for the internet" makes about as much sense as saying "you wouldn't know who Ke$ha was if it weren't for TV the radio."

>>1101737
TV and radio, I mean.

>>1101737
Context. This is the 90's we're talking about. Good game design would assume that information on game mechanics would be scarce at best.

>>1101747
That's a good point. But maybe Raizing knew what they were doing. It's Japan, so maybe they figured Japanese players like figuring that stuff out. Understanding rank is part of the metagame, after all. It wouldn't have been a foreign concept to a Japanese arcade veteran.

>>1101389
TF3's soundtrack is mankind's greatest achievement. Even TF4's excellent soundtrack bows to it.

>>1101747
Game design that assumed the player lives in a bubble and never interacts with other people would force you to make a very boring game.

When you enter a credit in a street fighter machine and go get your ass handed to you in the arcade you ask around, watch other people play, maybe go buy a gaming magazine and try to figure things out yourself. You don't just sit there and continue to feed credits (some people do I'm sure). It's the same with the best shmups too.

Players are expected to make some effort on their behalf to understand the mechanics and idiosyncrasies of the game as is the case with all of the best video games like the streetfighter series or quake3 arena.

>>1101762
Rank being a part of the metagame? More like rank being a part of ripping the customers off.

>>1101170
saturn > genesis > dreamcast > everything else

Why were SEGA systems so based when it came to shmups.

>>1102292
Rank exists to keep the game interesting

If the enemies in gradius never got rank bonuses the moment you got 4 options you would never ever die.

>>1102324
The rank in Gradius doesn't obviously try to rip you off.

>>1101720

Twin Cobra (1987) was their greatest success, if you don't like that game it means you have poor taste in shmups and should abandon the genre immediately.

Does anyone have good cover scans of Mushihimesama HD,Espgaluda II,Deathsmiles II,and any other CAVE games for 360. Spoiler for not retro

>>1102330

What if I don't like it but don't dislike it either?

>>1102330
Twin Cobra II Plus was so much better, though...

Also, Batsugun is overrated.

>>1102356
OOOOOOOOH STEEL TIGER
OOOOOOOOH I'LL NEVER FORGET

>>1102356

Ahahaha, oh god are you serious? Twin Cobra II is one of the worst video game sequels of all time. Toaplan didn't finish it properly before going under and I'll bet Takumi didn't even bother with any last minute polishing before they shipped it either. I can agree that Batsugun is a -little- bit overrated. V-V is a much cooler starter into the danmaku sub-genre and a nice take on the Gradius style of gameplay on top of that.

>>1102324
>Rank exists to keep the game interesting

The creator of Battle Garegga stated they put in rank to make it so good players still died, thus keeping the machine profitable.

>>1082258
She may not be the cutest waifu, but Police Interceptor from Einhander NG+ is the most reliable waifu.

>>1102392
That's what I assumed

>>1102392
>so good players still died
Please, that wording makes it sound as if good players randomly die for no reason and the machine cheats them.

Good players _choose_ to die because the system encourages and rewards strategic suicides.

You can complete garegga without dying if you really want but no one does that because it's boring and the system does not promote boring play.

Increasing difficulty is at the core of all good arcade games, in the case of garegga it's programmed into the game as well in the form of rank.

>>1102292
Jeez, just don't play shmups if you hate rank systems so much.

You're the same kind of irate gamer who plays Zelda and thinks "wtf, I actually have to LOOK for things?"

>>1102678
It's more like not wanting to play Fire Emblem because of permanent death. It's a bothersome mechanic that many find detrimental to their experience. Except here it's even worse because the offending mechanic is utterly opaque; plus game balance is built around it, so there's no way to remove it without significantly altering the whole game.

Beat Aleste 2. I kinda liked it. It's not amazing or anything, but it does have a certain charm.

Also, I just recently discovered there's a smooth scrolling hack for Gradius 2. Damn; would've been nice to have a while ago.

>>1103559
Also who the fuck are these people?

>>1103560

Great friends?

Where did you download Aleste for the MSX?

>>1102965
Anon, listen to me.

Don't.

Play.

Shmuuuuuuuuups.

>>1103565
In general, Rom Hustler is pretty much the best place for roms I know. Rom Nation is probably the second.

MSX and such is more obscure, so for example, I couldn't find Aleste 2 at my go-to sites. Googling "[game name] rom" did the trick as usual though, so I'm not entirely sure why you're asking. It's really easy to find such things these days.

>>1103575
>so I'm not entirely sure why you're asking. It's really easy to find such things these days.

Because I enjoy wasting your time

Got a problem with that, nerd?

>>1103584
I don't get it. Is this damage control or something?

>>1103584
Stop.

Twin Hawk was kind of cool...for a while. Having a bunch of buddies backing you up is really neat, until they get shot down 5 seconds later. Really, they only hold up decently for the first level; then they just become bombs. After the novelty's gone, it's your typical early Toaplan shmup; long and hard, like my dick. And when you think it's finally over, it just goes on and on.

>>1103737
>Twin Hawk
>hard

You will punch yourself in the head when you see a 1cc vid showing how to play that game properly.

>>1102374
Well, I enjoyed it on my saturn way more than i did playing TC1, especially for dat superior OST. Guess it's just difference of opinions. I am curious to know how much % was completed on TCII before Takumi got their hands on it and how much their involvement affected the outcome.

tfw you finally make it to the two tanks in flying shark