/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10413464
https://archive.org/details/shadow-warrior-mapping-kit

/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
BETA V2: https://files.catbox.moe/tc0rgk.wad

Fraggot
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : UDMF
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10885789

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/9941720

=== NEWS ===
[5-20] Corruption Cards updated to 6.0
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1252393#p1252393

[5-20] Malice Jam is released
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/malice-jam.358/

[5-18] Tomb of Thunder, a Quake mod since very long development is finally released
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7agps4nkqiusaldppylil/TOMBOFTHUNDER_MOD_2024.zip?rlkey=esum1ck088r5fnxu1d360lmjq&e=2&st=8vr5puei&dl=0

[5-17] Nugget Doom version 3.1 released
https://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases

[5-14] Duality: MBF21 5 maps mini-wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/145127

[5-13] Anon makes a graph detailing long history of /vr/ projects
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10927448#10927901

[5-13] Aleph One version 1.8 released
https://alephone.lhowon.org/
https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone/

[5-10] Fraggot deadline has been extended to May 27. This is the final extension.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10921529

[5-8] Brutal Half-Life Version 3 teaser released
https://youtu.be/x4pvAGUPQEg [Embed]

[5-7] DOOM 64 EX+ version 4.0.0.0 released
https://github.com/atsb/Doom64EX-Plus

[05-04] ZSAnimator, a Blender to ZScript workflow for weapon animations, has been released.
https://github.com/recurracy3/zsAnimator

[5-2] DOOM Retro version 5.4 released
https://www.doomretro.com/
https://github.com/bradharding/doomretro/

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [mm-dd] date bracket)

Quak

Reposting these to make sure they don't get lost. Maybe they should just be in the OP.

>day/night cycle mod for Doom
https://gitlab.com/accensi/daynight-cycle/-/commits/master/?ref_type=HEADS

>Doombro's old MSpaint comics
https://files.catbox.moe/qwx5z2.rar

i HATE concave shapes

>doom
more like dumb lmao

>>10950882
I don't get it

>>10950882
Haha, you're right, the AI *is* pretty basic.

>>10950882
Hah you're right. The AI can be so dumb sometimes.

>>10950873
convexity is so 2010

>Whoa! Headrush. I haven't even had breakfast yet

>>10950872
Based anon and based op.

>>10950889
What's there to 'get'? That anon is underage and that's the only 'joke' he knows.

>>10950920
>underage
Oh Anon. Let's be honest: It's just an Autismus Maximus. You're better off just ignoring him.

>>10950872
Never expected the day/night mod to be anything more than a meme, forgotten 0.0034 seconds after it's been posted, much less someone to try to put it in the news post. Whether something takes off seems to be complete RNG in the Doom community, regardless of shilling involved. There's probably a lesson to be learned here, somewhere, like doing things for yourself because there's no guarantee more than three people would care about your thing, regardless of how much time you spend on development. Or maybe I'm just plain wrong.

>>10950920
>>10950921
It's just a dumb repost jesus what's with the armchair psychology.

>>10950925
They're insecure about their hobby.

>>10950925
Lurk more, that guy's been doing this for a long time.

>>10950928
>that guy's been doing this for a long time.
Yeah I know. Hence
>It's just a dumb repost
>>10950926
Or just unfun.

>>10950932
To be fair, when you see a dude repeat the same joke for over three years, it wears its welcome out after awhile. Even I know better than that, it's why I don't put the Revenant at the end of ALL my videos.

>>10950923
I didn't know that someone was actually gonna do it when I suggested it. But hey, that's what the Doom modding scene is all about: doing it just to see if it can be done. Why do you think people run Doom on fridges and lawn mowers?

>>10950920
>That anon is underage and that's the only 'joke' he knows.
it's a meme

>>10950923
>There's probably a lesson to be learned here, somewhere, like doing things for yourself because there's no guarantee more than three people would care about your thing, regardless of how much time you spend on development.
It's why I usually bodge stuff together for myself, show it working in a few places and if it gets any interest I let people have it, if not I just keep it for myself and fiddle with it periodically.

About to play Quake for the first time. Should I play the official remaster or is there a source port I should look into?

>>10950941
Having played with DirectQ and then Quakespasm for over a decade, it feels off to me in ways that make me never want to touch it unless I have to. If you haven't spent much time with sourceports, the remaster will do you fine. It also has some curated vanilla based content from the community. Last downside is you need a Bethesda account.

Is there a low poly version of Quake?

>>10950953

>>10950947
It's amazing how much of Bethesda's 'reputation' has been shredded by pulling shit like this
Almost as quick of a "Destroy all good will any%" as that unity stunt a while back

>>10950953
What did he mean by this

>>10950941
they fucked with the lighting so it will ruin a few surprises. Quakespasm or ironwail will do a better job but be sure to have the music working, it's half of the atmosphere.

>>10950953
yep it's called Q u a k e

>>10950947
>it feels off to me in ways that make me never want to touch it unless I have to.
Are you referring to the remaster?

>>10950961
>they fucked with the lighting so it will ruin a few surprises
Wat. Why'd they go and do that?

>>10950963
Yes.

>>10950964
no idea, it's a constant in remasters and in this case it shows a few monsters that are supposed to be seen last minute.
the game is supposed to be creepy and dark.

>>10950979
>no idea, it's a constant in remasters
Especially with Dumpster Dive, they present themselves as being about preservation but they stuff they come out with often doesn't handle right or resemble shit.

They making Graf Zahl look good.

>>10950957

>>10950868

>>10950994
>90s
>bully kids by calling them girls
>2024
>bully kids by refusing to call them girls

>>10950998
https://youtu.be/-Y_xFig_6vk

>>10950954
>>10950960
>>10950962
Adrian's volumetric texturing is so exquisite that it brings out additional "dimension" out of his characters. In this regard, the game may fool you thinking it's not exactly lowpoly. I can only recommend anon LibreQuake and a bunch of boomshoot discount revival titles (which are not retro).

can any nerds here spoonfeed me what am i doing wrong?
i'm trying to rig a custominventory with a looped overlay, but it breaks down and disappears a couple tics after appearing.
considering it's supposed to be a part of character's starting inventory, my only guess is the pickup state is the wrong place to start, but i'm clueless beyond that.

>>10950953
Quake 64

>>10951001
r_softemu 3 in Ironwail can make things look a bit chunkier.

>>10950998
the world changes often but don't expect it to have a lot of imagination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKEQL34alqk

>>10951000
Pic related is literally me. Very humorous video anon. I'm always surprised at how much entertaining internet content I haven't scene.

>>10951016
i made the mistake of reading the comments

>>10951002
I'm not going to tell you what you're doing wrong because A) it'd be counter-productive and B) I'm not 100% sure myself. Plus I can't test it right now. But what I am going to suggest is an infinitely more useful long-term advice: use debug prints to figure it out yourself and level up your debugging skills. Console.Printf() is your best friend in programming. Put different strings in both Pickup and OverlayTest1. Put them in different places if the first attempt doesn't work, like the last state in Pickup, before the Wait. Also do printinv in the console to make sure the item remains in your inventory. CustomInventory IIRC ignores state durations and depending on how you set it up it may get nuked immediately. See where and when the calls stop, and in what order. It'll get you much closer to figuring out the why. Read the wiki pages on both CustomInventory and A_Overlay. Those two have a lot of gotchas, more than they ought to have. Make sure you're well-informed of them before starting to shoot in the dark. You're far more likely to hit something that way and figure out what works and what doesn't. Also check out the CustomInventory definition in gzdoom.pk3 or github. Might be something under-the-hood that you're not seeing. Study the tools you're using carefully and see what makes them tick to avoid getting unpleasantly surprised.

so doom 2 is basically just doom 1 with different levels?

how did they get away with it?

>>10951063
Added a load more monsters and a new weapon, it was also the early 90s and like a year after release, shit was expected.

Even Fallout 2 was the same kind of thing.

>>10951017
That guy's done a whole bunch of videos saying stupid shit in Duke Nukem's voice.

>>10951075
i HATE lgr

>>10951076
Different guy.

>>10950994
When is NetDuke32 gonna have client/server so I can love both Duke Nukem and MEN

>>10951034
thanks
:)

doomguy no!

>>10950947
>you need a Bethesda account
Do you mean for multiplayer? Pretty sure I played the Quake 1 Remaster singleplayer without making a Bethesda account.

>>10951063
>>10951073

Simple, it's more DOOM. Not to mention that Doom 2 was the first one to go full retail instead of the shareware model of Doom 1. So to a lot of people ''DOOM'' meant the Shareware episode aka Knee-Deep in the Dead. If you only had the Shareware version and then go to full on ''Doom 2'', 32 levels plus the new monsters and weapons you mkssed out on in the Shareware version, suddenly it was a lot better.

I have to actually go and research how activating the shareware version to become the full version worked and if that was even logistically doable outside of the U.S.

>>10950989
>They're making Graf Zahl look good.
Le ''no'' chicken might have his own stubbornness issues but he's a guy who does a free product and you can take it or leave it, no one is obligated to use GZDoom if they don't want to.

>>10951063
They added a lot more depth to the gameplay.

Well, if nothing else, Das Teufelswad sure is a detailed as fuck wad.

Is there no way to continue after a chapter in Heretic? Literally every time it just stops on the screen after the last stage and I have to start a new game for the next chapter which is complete aids.

>>10951178
There's various continuous play mapinfos and mods kicking around for most ports.

>>10950858
Reposting >>10947865 for DM project lead
>I don't know who to reply to but here's an update for my Fraggot map, "Green Harvest":
>https://files.catbox.moe/1celgr.wad
>Thank you to that one anon for providing feedback in the old thread. I minorly changed things according to that advice. I'll probably make one more update after the playtest session.

Requesting ACTINIA RC3, DAKKA V1.0 and LELWEPS V8. Hosts are down.

>>10951214
Dakka 1.0 is on TSPG, I didn't think Lelweps went past v7, which is pretty much everywhere.

>>10951232
I checked ljon's website on the web archive and it said v8, guess v7 will do. Then, Actinia update was uploaded on pisscord last year with no mirrors available. Mac went awol as far as I'm aware, and the only guy left to reach it would seem is a punch man.

>>10951063
Doom 2 is just 1 but better.

>>10951063
They got away with it for Commander Keen and Wolfenstein.

>>10951063
they didn't get away with it because you realized their trick and called them out on it, good for you anon

>>10951265
>Actinia update was uploaded on pisscord last year with no mirrors available.
What the fuck? Why would they even use Discord at all for wad hosting? That shit's a liability.

>>10951214
https://allfearthesentinel.com/zandronum/download.php?file=lelweps8.pk7

This AI rendition of E1M9's midi is unbelievable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRFoCDDiWpw

>>10950858
>Using the outdated dropbox link for tomb of thunder

come on
>>10944087

>>10951605
You didn't tag the news or OP post, fucktard

>>10951605
>Discord tourist furry comes here to shill his Quake mod because his fellow homos are busy cooooming over muh liminal spaces
>does it wrong
>gets mad
SEETHE

>>10951523
>whole axe chat
are Kegan's streams leaking to here or something?

or you could just post slipseer link instead of ddl so people could actually check what it is

le upscaled doom3 is up
https://www.moddb.com/mods/gg41-doom3

>>10951705
All I know is what's in the readme and what got posted the previous threads. I haven't made it too far but it's been nice, has nightmare health drop like >>10951758 but comes back on axe last-hits.
Checking the readme:
>Because of financial reasons I need to turn this project into a game I could sell. The mod itself however is NOT meant for sale.
>This release corresponds with the release of the patreon page for the stand-alone iteration, in order to have the best hook for it.
That's the weirdest thing I've ran into so far.

Do people still play deatmatch on quake 1, 2 and/or 3? The remaster lobbies seem relatively empty.

>>10951758
Some of those 'after' screenshots are pretty rough when you look at the shading. The normal/bump maps seem like they got absolutely raped. At best there are obvious disparities between them and the diffuse textures.
AI upscales are never really that good, but they're especially bad when used on PBR materials.

>>10950857
are there any wads that will make me feel like I'm in a pilotredsun video?

>>10951104
>Vanilla BFG sprite has its name engraved into it
Huh. So many years and I never noticed.

>>10951758
>>10951768
>AI upscale texture mod
>"I want people to pay me for this"

>>10951883
I think anon meant the Quake mod >>10951605
is posting about.
Bizarre either way.

>>10951883
It’s more the Quake mod being a “demo” for a future paid product, the readme stresses that the mod is not for sale.

>>10951883
>Because of financial reasons I need to turn this project into a game I could sell. The mod itself however is NOT meant for sale.
This release corresponds with the release of the patreon page for the stand-alone iteration (Plotosphere : Tomb Of Thunder), in order to have the best hook for it.
Be smart, don't be a retard.

>THREAD ARCHIVES
Has anyone been using that link? Should we restore it?

>>10951387
Thanks bro

>>10950872
>day/night cycle mod for Doom
It is now here, look at the bottom https://rentry.org/vrdepot

>Doombro's old MSpaint comics
Aren't these in doom quickstart torrent already? Good to have a backup either way. Not sure where to put it though, I don't manage mega uploads.

Completed Wanton Destruction, it was better than expected. No really weak maps, nice textures, a lot of details on the walls, platforming is not too bad, a lot of health and ammo. Bosses are okayish, but they were not great in any Build game. Key positioning is mostly logical, maybe except couple of switches on the inside part of bath sinks. Arsenal in SW is good, almost everything can be done with a riot-gun with occasional alt-fire. Not sure where to go now, perhaps will try Phantom Fury now.

>>10951949
>don't be a retard
Don't discriminate towards me for being retarded.

Episode 1 is overrated as fuck. It's fine for what it is (a tutorial), but these guys who jerk off to it and talk about how they "could just play muh E1 over and over, it's so good!" are either bandwagoners or bad at the game. It's the most sterile, boring and challenge-less episode by far, and it offers nothing to a veteran player. There are basically 3 enemy types, you don't get the plasma or BFG, and you never have any fear of dying on UV or lower (unless you're a complete shitter). E2 is where DOOM gets real. There are more enemy types (and enemies in general), you get more weapons/powerups, the level layouts are much more complex and the puzzles are more devious, the secrets are hidden better, and most of all, it's the first episode that affords some actual challenge. It's also a much more visually interesting episode with a lot more diversity in textures and colors, as well as a better skybox. Not to mention, the boss is fucking Cyberdemon instead of a couple trash ass barons. Sandy was the better designer and the worship of Romero's handful of boring baby-mode maps is baffling to me.

>>10951964
>Has anyone been using that link? Should we restore it?
I do whenever a janny who doesn't know the thread goes on a weird power trip and starts deleting on-topic stuff.

>>10952000
You're right and you should say it, except for the part about Romero. Romero is genuinely a very strong level designer, and probably that's his best talent.

KDITD isn't hard at all, but remember that this the first part of the game and that it was meant as a way for noobs to get into it, as newbie bootcamp it's well done, even if people jerking it off as the best thing ever are deluded. When Romero actually goes for it, his maps are great and actually do offer some challenge, looking at Doom 2, TFC, and Sigil. The Living End is the best map in Doom 2, for instance.

>>10951909
what's bizarre about it? lots of mod sequels are made into standalone games, e.g. counter strike, tf2, dota

>>10952000
>muh challenge
off to okuplok mines you go

>>10952010
Stop being bad at Doom.

>>10952010
>implying challenge is the only thing E1 fails at
Also on the list: still being fun after you've played it more than 2 times

>>10952021
Challenge IS the only thing it fails at considering it's supposed to be entrylevel on purpose, and as a newbie episode it's actually well put together.

>>10952008
Gotta disagree with you dude, he has a few legitimately good maps, but I wouldn't call him anything remotely approaching "a very strong level designer", a huge chunk of the Sigil maps are aids and he didn't really contribute much to any of the classic games outside of the same boring techbase style levels over and over. Sandy's big sin is some of the full retard city maps he made in D2, but he's made most of the truly great maps, where Romero's are almost universally a flat line "decent", occasionally bad. I'd even take American's maps over Romero.

>>10951964
What do Full/Mixed mean? And the star? Didn't see a legend. Or maybe I'm just blind.

>>10952004
Don't know why I rushed and removed it, suppose we could bring it back, character limit affords it.

>>10950858
Replace the link of [5-18] Tomb of Thunder to https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/tomb-of-thunder.357/

Is to be pasted right above MULTIPLAYER SERVERS line in the OP:
THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/

>>10952032
It's a pump and dump episode dude. Like I said, good tutorial, that's it. Once you've played it a few times, it's a chore to return. That does not a good episode make.

>>10952037
>What does Full mean?
Mod which replaces both monsters and weapons, that's for combination purposes. Thought it would be self-explanatory.

>Mixed
There are several mods on the line listed, which affect different things. Maybe I should correct this to avoid confusion.

I may have miscategorized some of the mods too, I don't play on GZDoom.

>And the star? Didn't see a legend.
Fresh additions, there is no legend. Pretty vague, I agree.

>>10952041
I don't find it a chore at all to play through, the maps are generally enjoyable to go through, even if they aren't any real challenge.
A chore to me is Doom 2's Factory, which is probably the worst map Sandy ever made for Doom.

Also I'm saying that with disclaimer that overall, I think Sandy made some of the best levels in Doom and Doom 2, man just got stretched a little thin at times.
>Doom : 27 levels
>TFC : 9 more
>Doom 2 : 32
Of these 68 levels, he made roughly half, a few based on Tom's work, and two copied from Wolf3D, but he had a lot cut out for him and the end results were good. In fact, all of Sandy's maps based on Tom's drafts are really solid, only a couple of Sandy's own are actually bad, stuff like Halls Of The Damned and Tricks & Traps are certified ludo.

>>10952084
>man just got stretched a little thin at times.
Pretty much all of the time he was working on Doom.

>>10952070
Thanks. In that case I got a remark. Deathstrider should be Mixed. It does not and will not add monsters of its own (addons don't count). I still don't know how to feel about its inclusion but at this point I'm just gonna pretend it's not there. I'd hardly classify it is a /vr/ mod in the event that list is for /vr/ specific stuff, considering I only posted about it After anons had already found out about it over a year into development. I've posted exactly 0 dev vids here.

>>10952000
Trips of truth

>>10950994
>funcoland
was across the concourse from hot topic

>>10951805
>1
yeah but not really public servers so you're stuck with pickup matches and that means dealing with discord troons and the endless blackhole of drama that comes with terminally online normalfags
>2
sometimes but it's all instagib lobbies
>3
mixture of choices 1 & 2 but replace instagib with clan arena and duel

>>10951523
>Become dog
>Wolf community
>Faggot launcher

Melee only speedrunning

>>10952319
>melee only through GZdoom’s modded hitscan calculations
weeee
>melee only through other ports
suffering

>>10952307
On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog developing a Doom sourceport.

i love all of you <3
no homo

>>10952036
>Sandy's big sin is some of the full retard city maps he made in D2
to be fair every time i replay d2 that level is always the one that just kills my motivation to continue. it's boring, uninteresting, the jumps are just dumb and forgettable

>>10952350
>Chocolate Doom

>that caco cloud on Sunlust MAP22
On one hand, the way they surround you on top level where you CANT SEE THEM and when they eventually get to you out of fucking nowhere and suddenly you rocket explodes straight in your face thanks to infinite height is pure bullshit. If there's such a thing as artificial difficulty in Doom, it's definitely it.
On the other hand, I never realized their pathfinding was actually that good.

>>10952084
While musing about Switcheroom, I've struggled to come up with the maps which exemplify Sandy's character the best, but can name at least two: E1M5 and E3M2, these were some fine Sandy Petersen renditions. Wonder what could've been done if Sandy choose to be a prominent mapper instead on his spare time, and these two maps might be as good approximation of it as one could get.

Besides that, on the pack in general: there are plenty of good maps to cite as simply good but also some very frustrating to play mixed within, classic doom was more streamlined in this regard. I've yet to try rejected maps compilations and Switcheroom 2, maybe some actual unrestrained creativity is to be found there.

>>10952105
Only community projects which have gone through exclusive in-thread development get to have the main spot. Everything else is put under the separate disclaimer and consists of things which either get *or* once had a fair discussion traction around here, "/vr/ quality seal" so to speak. That or authors who once contributed to /vr/ in some manner and were put there on good faith in return, I wouldn't think too much about it.

I believe Deathstrider had some intricate npc system thus you deem it better be called Mixed. Still, I don't understand much about mods, can you play it with Rampancy or let's say Colorful Hell? Debating here whether I should discard categorizations altogether or give them better names, maybe "Extensive" or something instead of "Full".

>>10952370
Or should I say it's not pathfinding, it's not even AI, it's just how it works in game. Their pathfinding and AI is super basic, almost non-existent, but when you just put the whole damn cloud of huge chunky cacos on player's ass, each caco taking a lot of space plus infinite height, there's no other way for them to get to you other then to encircle you, and they will encircle you.
Doom is really a genius game.

>>10952370
>you rocket explodes straight in your face thanks to infinite height
thanks to autoaim* rockets can pass over/under cacos no problem if they're fired while the cacos are out of sight or too far away

>>10952384
>Wonder what could've been done if Sandy choose to be a prominent mapper instead on his spare time
I can't really blame him for going back to tabletop stuff, especially after what happened to Ensemble.

>>10951063
the added monsters and gun are cool, save for the boring Hell Knight. the maps were the real disappointment. some are real ugly.

>>10952386
I get a minor consolation after dying from a cyber's stray rocket knowing full well that he in fact has a mind of an imp.

>>10952360
I sure am excited for city levels variations of Switcheroom 2, and with it basically you get to play the original game twice at once.

>>10952386
>potat elementel

>>10950858
Tainted was added as an Add-on for Quake's re-release. It's been almost a week and I don't think anyone mentioned that, so here.
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en-US/article/new-add-on-tainted-quake

>>10951523
>cause sucks
>friend missing
>singleplayer eventually
>solid puzzles
Well, the latter one is definitely about Hexen.

>>10951214
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727328864489046110/1242586074702942301/ACTINIA_RC3.wad?ex=664e5ff6&is=664d0e76&hm=29c4170f2c3fca24059b24f33243c28a16492dcfee08bf3c7cfb2303d4ef7e53&
Actinia is poo poo

>>10952353
same same
no homo

>>10951974
I loved the sovl city maps / restaurants / otherwise inhabited places in SW and hated the temples with the gorillas and shit. Except that base game temple level where you find the bathing anime girl.

>>10952000
>lot more diversity in textures and colors
In terms of textures available for usage yeah but in usage, lots of ugly sametexture walls. A lot of visually boring and dull areas that were also unpleasant to play.

As far as challenge goes... uhh.. it's more challenging I guess yeah..

The Cyberdemon was cool though and episode 2 and 3 getting those cool looking intermission screens makes it feel slightly more worthwhile to plow through them 'cause even all of Doom 1 combined it doesn't take that long to clear.

>>10952008
KDITD is a perfect mood setter. And Romero's maps are also visually pleasant to look at imo, he uses the textures, slopes, staircases etc to create environments that create a strong sense of place even it's sci-fi techbase with poison pools everywhere.

It's fine for people to hold their own favorites but to me Romero breathed a lot of soul into his doom maps.

>>10950858
Has it been on the news yet?

[5-21] VanillaPSX, Playstation aesthetic for vanilla Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/144075

I removed everything besides SFX, but still prefer Jaxxoon R's sound caulking mod overall. Maybe crunchy sound of the former could be alleviated with resampler settings.

>>10952000
i love Military Base, Central Processing and Computer Station though :(
the only one i don't care for is Hangar.

>>10952441
Fucking hell it's scary clicking this shit outside of safe env, big thanks for bringing it back

>Actinia is poo poo
I liked it

>>10952459
This had me thinking, could you fake colored sectors in Boom by using a solid color transparent midtexture and colormaps?

>>10951063
I've always thought that the fact that they had plans to add the SSG, but didn't decide to add any other secondary weapons, was a clear tell that they called it in at some point during development. To not add in some other sidegrades feels cheap.

Having said that, the game is a modding workhouse these days, and the issue has been resolved many times over by the community. So I agree with you, but Id can get a pass from me.

>>10952530
Try it and see.

>>10952535
Just having 32 more DOOM maps to play was a pretty good deal in and of itself. Yeah, people were mapping such in Doom but custom map quality was not nearly to the point of competence / quality of later years.

And a lot pf people up to that point might've only played Doom 1's Shareware episode or not at all.

>>10952535
>To not add in some other sidegrades feels cheap.
It's not like there was much of a niche that needed filling by more weapons, the monster roster was a much bigger deal to fill out better.

>>10951768
I think I remember seeing these weapon models around a long time ago, he had a cool Winchester single shotty replacement. And now he's trying to make a game? I hate to say it but he should see how well that worked out for killpixel.

>>10952570
A grenade launcher actually would have been nice, even without freelook, there's a lot more vertical design in Doom 2 and it would have been useful to rain some death from above.

>>10952581
A grenade launcher would be somewhat clunky without vertical aim. I think it would be tough to try and make a new gun for Doom without modifying how the original game controls.

>>10952581
How? Monsters are effectively infinite height in vanilla so it wouldn't really be any different from the rocket launcher.

Best you could do is have a bouncing projectile like the Strife ones and they were an utter fucking pain.

>>10952594
>Monsters are effectively infinite height in vanilla
Only if you can see them.

>>10952594
>Monsters are effectively infinite height in vanilla
Not in terms of projectile collision. But explosions are infinite height, so a rocket that hits a wall above an enemy is no less effective than if it exploded right next to them. The main benefit to a grenade launcher in vanilla would be bouncing grenades around corners.

>>10952471
Yeah discord decided to make their links for sharing files look like internet AIDS recently for some reason
punchman's maps are good but my own are spammy bullshit design

>>10952639
>Yeah discord decided to make their links for sharing files look like internet AIDS recently for some reason
It's to block it being used as a filesharing service, the links expire after a couple days tops.

>>10952570
I think a bolt-action rifle might've been a nice addition.
>the monster roster was a much bigger deal to fill out better
What do you think should've been added? Has anyone added it already?

>>10952647
o, well I better get that somewhere more permanent then

Yep, it's break time.

>>10952665
Looks easy for me

>>10952672
>slaughter in doom: THERE'S TOO MANY REVENANTS AND CYBERDEMONS AAAAHHH I HATE THIS!
>slaughter in serious sam: I only have this doublebarrel shotgun to defend myself from over 1000 kleer? Splendid.

>>10952680
I play both, and in fairness, I think Doom's vanilla campaigns coddle the player too much so they tend to get serious whiplash by anything harder than Plutonia. Serious Sam takes the gloves off like 2 levels in.

>>10952697
TFE takes the gloves off before you even get to the real slaughter. All the early maps are filled with traps and gotchas before you start killing hordes regularly.

>>10952724
Why when I play Serious Sam do I find myself not bothered by being trapped and just consider it fun? Where as in Doom it feels like a betrayal and I'm now having stressed 'fun' after being trapped?

How the fuck did Boomers play Doom and Wolfenstein with keyboard controls? Especially Wolfenstein.

>>10952680
Sam has weapons designed for mowing down hundreds of enemies.

>>10952000
I just think the other episodes should have more hitscanners and windows. And shooting hitscanners through windows.
I'd like to see more maps like E1M7 but harder.

>>10952784
With two hands.

>>10952791
So does doom

>>10952830
Not as effectively. You just have the cell guns.

>>10952835
Don't sleep on the rocket launcher

>>10952837
Rockets are good, but they're also really dangerous. Doomguy doesn't have anything on the level of the canon or minigun. Or even the TSE weapons.

>>10952840
That's what I like about the RL actually, having to juggle between killing enemies efficiently while not blowing yourself up makes for some really interesting encounters. Doomguy doesn't have any SBC, but he doesn't need one because mappers balance around what he does have.

>>10952780
Probably because of how fast Doomguy can move. If you don't like an encounter you can just walk away. So when a map forces you into a trap you can't escape from it feels a little cheap (especially so if the encounter is poorly designed).
Meanwhile everything outruns Sam. It's expected that any enemy will catch up with you. When you get locked into a room in Serious Sam that's the norm.

>>10952723
kinostalgia

Slaughtermaps are boring because Doom doesn't have weapons made to kill hordes of enemies besides the BFG. And even that can take too long and becomes dull after 2 minutes of holding down M1 while you clear 1/64th of the map.

>>10952723
It's really cool seeing alpha/beta shots of all 4 of these in the same place.

>>10950857
OATS AND WHEY

>>10952880
Yeah yeah blah blah this is the part where I ask you to show an example and then you don't, seen it all before

>>10952894
Example of what? there's plenty of wads like this.
Play Hell Revealed all by yourself without any mods and see if you have fun.

>>10952903
You seem to have jumped straight from 2004. We're playing Sunlust now.

>>10952908
Wads peaked in 2004

>>10952914
Nah they peaked in 2024 with Gnome Hunters

>We now have Turok for Doom
Why not Turok for Quake?

>>10952935
how the fudge did i mis this

>>10952021
>Also on the list: something entirely subjective that won't apply to everyone.

>>10952000
Yeah I've always thought episode 1 was the least of them, but it's still good. So much time spent in the techbases works to make episodes 2 and 3 more visually impactful.

>>10952980
Usual stuff, small solo launch, not by a big name, it got discussed here for a while but that was it.

Even it's Doomworld thread is pretty desolate and ignored, which is a shame, I found it pretty fun.

>>10951000
>Gianni

>>10953056
it's good but i got stuck above the lake in the first map by accessing it from the hill. the maps need invisible walls or mere practical navigation

>>10953075
>mere
*more

>>10953075
There's a small lift you can use to get back but there's nothing that makes it look like a lift.

One of the secrets near there has a door that auto closes and you can't open it form the inside so you can lock yourself in there though.

>no DOOM cereal
>no DOOM vitamins
>no DOOM pajamas
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

>>10951874
normal. this part is not visible in vanilla Doom

>>10953091
oh thanks. can't wait to see the final version. the atmosphere is on point.

>>10953098
>no Saturday morning cartoon

>>10953107
It makes sense they would cut it off there, the mirrored greebling gets a lot more obvious below that point.

>>10953098
well doom is not for kids, despite what nuid is trying to achieve

>>10953098
>no DOOM action figures

>>10953126
true but at the same time the full sprite is sex

>>10953121
>doomguy's runspeed in the cartoon is accurate to the game
>steals the sonic cartoon's audience

>>10953129
McFarlane made one of Doomguy but it's the slaya classic skin and on top of it, the paint job is atrocious

>>10953132
not retro

>>10953115
Yeah the music is especially fucking incredible and done by one of the mappers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POZmju6ZVVo
>>10953127
Anon has a point though, this was the 90s where there were kids toys for Starship Troopers, Robocop, Aliens, everything.

>>10953142
>Yeah the music is especially fucking incredible and done by one of the mappers
oh thanks i was trying to look for the music sources. i recognized this one instantly. great edit.

>>10953142
My neighbor had a full-size Gremlins puppet that was fucking amazing.

>>10953142
>there were kids toys for Starship Troopers, Robocop, Aliens, everything.
that's true, but at the same time Doom was very controversial because it was exceptionally gore and satanic.

>>10951974
Play Shadow Warrior Deadly Kiss. It leaked and the maps are all done. Not completely polished, but playable and fun.

I'm obsessed with this song
https://youtu.be/Dz3_c8lXTns

>>10953169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3XrZvBcjiQ
incredible soundtrack desu

>>10953179
Great
Now tomorrow I'll be the whole day with that song inside my head too

It fucking sucks that this never got finished, it was a bit of a departure but the dude was onto something,

>>10953121
One day AI will give us the 90s style DOOM cartoon we deserve

>>10953190
It's cool bro, this'll probably fix it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-E9ieL2KGc

>>10953193
I dont know what that is or what dude youre talking about.

>>10953193
interesting focused use of color. reminds me of the Sin City comics

>>10953207
It's Chainworm Kommando 2.

I sometimes see people try to do UV Max blind runs whenever they play wads. I personally don't see the appeal. I'd rather save UV Max for levels I've already enjoyed and familiarized myself with first. In a blind run, I'm likely to reach the exit before getting every kill/secret, and I don't particularly find it fun to turn around and scour the whole map just to find the remainder. In extreme cases, it could extend the level timer to the point that I could have reached the exit in the next level by the time I'm done with this one. I dunno, it's just not for me.

>>10953229
Epeen, imitating their favorite ecelebs, that sort of thing.

I used to speedrun so it makes no sense to me to go for blind UV Max, might as well have fun on HMP or UV and work shit out first.

>>10952384
>can you play it with Rampancy or let's say Colorful Hell?
Yes. Playing it with monster mods was the primary reason to not include monsters in there.

>>10953179
>>10953169
>Anon who said Duke gets by on Duke alone shitting his pants

>accidently come across some parts of the Czech Doom community
>they seem to have a knack for finding weird shit
These guys are pretty awesome, they even did a review of Ad Mortem.
http://doom.starehry.eu/?p=8362

Alright I am playing Scythe 2 and I cannot believe how much better it is than Scythe 1. Every single level has been awesome so far. I get the acclimation.

>>10953337
Sounds like it didnt take long to get acclimated.

if you think about it it's kind of genius, the hardest part about a mars base is providing supplies but if you can summon an infinite number of demons you can harvest all the food and water you need from the corpses

>>10953365
>you can harvest all the food and water you need from the corpses
If they contain water or anything even passing as being edible.

>>10953375
If demons can eat you then you can eat demons. It's basic physics.

>>10952784
Using arrow keys. Wolf3D is very slow and has no verticality, not a challenge to play it kb only. Doom plays the same, but it's faster, that's why most preferred to use the mouse setup, which I find horrible but it's similar to a trackball control.

>>10953169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4nFSIZED4Y

>>10953529
>chud nukem
based

Hey guys, dumptruck_ds here, you've been learning Trenchbroom, right?

>>10953586
Sorry. Been practicing more art and fucking around with Furnacetracker to make sound effects when I need them.

>>10953586
Which build of Hammer is that?

>>10953591
>>10953602
Learn Trenchbroom.

>>10953586
Sure have. I'm getting better at it.

>>10952367
>>Chocolate Doom
Is this frowned upon here?

>>10953606
No one else is going to make gameplay mods with robot knights anytime soon, Anon. So I have to be the change I want to see in this world.

>>10953624
the joke is that dogs can't eat chocolate

>>10953637
like, it doesn't fit in their mouths?

>>10953529
This track has a "you've come far and are close to your goal" feeling, especially considering how Lunar Apocalypse was a bit of a slog.

>>10953591
Furnace tracker, eh? That looks like an interesting middle point between Famitracker and just using sample based stuff like OpenMPT.
...Wow, it looks like it even supports OPL stuff. That will be useful for what I'm planning to work on.

>>10953638
No, because theobromine is toxic for dogs.

>>10953586
>still no real time lighting so I can see what my levels are gonna look like without compiling them
I hate Quake level editors.

>>10953717
yeah honestly this is the worst part

>>10953717
different compilers handle light differently though...?

>>10953738
You can still get a general idea.

>>10953127
>nuid
Doom 2016 and Eternal are clearly not for kids lmao. They're even gorier than the OG Doom. Isn't it time to admit that these constant jabs at ''nu-Id'' are kinda pathetic?

>>10953121
Well at least we got the cool DOOM comic and the art style was really damn good too.

>>10953752
Isn't it time to admit that these constant jabs at ''nu-Id'' are kinda pathetic?
ok nuid

>>10950858
[21-5] Polish Doom Community Project 1.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/141953
https://youtu.be/afYERIRhylc?si=Nr8wkLTskyBO6hAY

Recommend me a modern Doom OST that sounds like the classic 1996 megawad Memento Mori 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfdXsi_sf4c&list=PLVDYINVKng7WEry_dvHNhgKhk80xlM-ez&index=25

>>10953778
Oh boy, CP time!

>>10953803

Played some shooters recently

>Selaco Demo
9/10
>Cultic
7.5/10
>Sulfur Demo
7.5/10
>Wrath:Aeon of Ruin
7/10
>Relentless Frontier
8/10
>Supplice (is this a pun on the word supplies?)
6/10
>Siren
6.5/10
>Divine Frequency Demo
7/10
>Beyond Citadel Demo
6/10, A for effort.
>Aliens Eradication TC
8/10
>Sprawl
6.5/10
>Texnoplasm
4/10
>Phantom Fury
6/10
>Anger Foot
6.5/10

>>10953817
>Phantom Fury
>6/10
imagine my surprise...

>>10953817
I'm probably going to give Wrath a 6 by the time I'm done with that. So much missed potential. You can't fall short of Arcane Dimensions, which was released four years ago, and expect me to praise much.

>>10952665
what's worse?
1808 zombiemen or 1808 imps?

>>10953872
It's largely dependent on positioning and other factors, like how much health is available.
If they're all in a box room on the same level, infighting will mean zombiemen will mostly take care of each other.
If they can all see you without getting in each other's way (on a huge stepped structure or something) I'd rather it be imps so that I could at least theoretically dodge the deluge of fireballs.

>>10952665
nice swastika

>>10953872
1808 zombiemen is retarded because they will kill each other before they do any significant damage to you. The only reason to have them is to bloat map stats without actually adding anything of significance to it.
1808 imps is still retarded because there's gonna be other monsters who will clear them up for you anyway.
You CAN use both in creative ways (like stepped structure>>10953876 for example) and not as a dumb wall of meat (well not 1808 obviously, but still some huge numbers), but if even Sunlust fails to do it, what can we expect from other mappers.
It's just easier to not be retarded and use some reasonable amount of them.

>>10953880
My map has 1808 doors connecting to 1808 rooms. In each room is 1 imp and 1 round of ammunition.

I'm playing Quake 2 for the first time. I'm enjoying this way more than I expected. Interestingly it feels closer to something like Half-Life than Quake 1.

>>10953924

When you're done you can move on to the true hidden kino: Quake 3....'s story mode.

>>10953924
I mean half-life is built from the same engine so I guess it makes sense in that regard.
I used to always be more into quake 1 but recently q2 has been my favorite too.

unreal is what doom don't

That was one of the worst levels I've ever played in my life. And people complained about Quake's bosses? The final boss of LA Meltdown is super lame. It was all so promising, fuck's sake. I'm sure later levels are good because Duke has a large legacy but jesus I had no idea there was this kind of poor quality.

>>10953950
FPS bosses are almost always shitty. They've gotten better in more recent retro throwbacks, but it was something the genre universally struggled with for a while.

>>10953959
I was mostly just fanboying over Quake because I've heard that game's bosses get shit for decades but never heard word one about Duke's. I think they're both fine and functional.

Do you happen to know how to get this version of the soundtrack?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yu8qCW6noo
All the downloads I find run on some SC-Roland whatever and I don't like it.

>>10953924
Nightdive and bethesda and nu-id are fags but will always respect them for Q2 re-release because you assholes finally played it and stopped crying about how bad it is because it obviously isn't.

>>10953930
>I mean half-life is built from the same engine
I mean more design-wise. The way your progress through a large continuous facility, the way there's setpieces and scripted stuff, some downtime between encounters etc.
I just expected nothing but shooting baddies like in Quake.

>>10953972
I wouldn't buy shit from those faggots if my life depended on it. I'm playing pirated on YQ2 of course.

>>10953978
B A S E D

I forgot how to use GZdoom.
I double click on it and nothing happens, it just starts Doom 2.

>>10953989
Use ZDL

>>10953990
Too lazy to get a new thing and having to rebind all these shitty qwerty controls to mine.

>>10953989
Drag the wad/pk3 you want to play onto the gzdoom exe

>>10953992
Whenever you're ready to make your life easier vis-a-vis Doom, ZDL will be there. I can't imagine that'll ever happen however if you're this lazy to download a program less than 10 megabytes.

>>10953992
You don't need to if your .ini is intact.

>>10953971
>Do you happen to know how to get this version of the soundtrack?
I direct this question at anybody now because jesus I've gone through seven different downloads and they're all this farty shit.

>>10953817
Gaming ratings should be cut by half with 5 at the highest number. What the point of 1-10 range when people stick to 5-10 anyway?

>>10953994
Ooh, okay. Thanks, it works now.

>>10953950
That level was pretty cool back then but tech was not there yet for portraying environmental setpieces like crumbling canyons and such.

The is shit but the payoff from killing him is one of the most kickass cutscenes in fps videogame lore.

>>10953971
Duke bosses are at least killed by shooting them until they die. First person shooter bosses that you aren't supposed to shoot is a big fucking misstep and Quake rightfully gets shit for it. Telefragging Shubby is novel and iconic but it's ultimately just a level exit with a tight timing window. There's no boss fight, she doesn't do anything. Even the Icon of Sin actively spawns randomized enemies, Shub just drops in a dozen map-scripted Shamblers and Vores.

>>10954009
I loathe Ninilanth from Half Life 1 so so much. The way he decides to fly up from beyond your reach when he does open his brain can be infuriating.

It's kind of interesting but boy does it sap my will to continue Half-Life 1 when I reach Xen.

>>10954009
>Duke bosses are at least killed by shooting them until they die
Functional and fine.
>First person shooter bosses that you aren't supposed to shoot is a big fucking misstep and Quake rightfully gets shit for it
That's just lack of imagination and appreciation. Neither Chthon nor Niggur are Shakespearean masterpieces, but they're unique enough.

>>10953935
Unreal is an in-between for Doom/Quake and Halo/Metroid Prime. It's not without its merits however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEn7YI3ZeCg
But it could never replace Doom.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/shrine-ii
Looks neat as fuck.

>>10954089
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Scumhead
He's working on another GZDoom game right now.

>>10951810
I feel like I saw a .wad of Mr.Fuji's office somewhere once. Maybe I'm crazy though.

>>10953950
yeah natural environments can look pretty rough in Build engine. the big ship reveal is still cool and the earthquake with Duke's reaction still crack me up though.

>>10954083
Shub literally does nothing. There is no defending this. It's not a boss fight. It's a map with a dozen Shambler and Vore spawns on a timer and then an exit teleport that only works at a specific moment. Chthon at least throws explosive projectiles at the player and aims them in a way so that you can't just completely ignore it while you're running around pushing buttons. There's nothing to even ignore about Shub. It's a decoration. No skill accumulated from playing the game is tested in fighting it. It's only a knowledge check that the spiky ball is the teleport destination, which you can only learn through trial and error. That is a complete and utter failure of boss design. I wouldn't entirely disagree that it's a thematically fitting ending, and I'm not saying the map has no challenge to it because vores and shamblers are plenty dangerous and resources aren't overly generous, but there is not even a boss fight for you to be defending here.

>>10954094
i don't think the game mechanics are for me but the world looks super comfy so we'll see...

>>10954086
And yet to this day people continue to make new games in Unreal's engine while DOOM's engine is constantly being replaced

how many millions of dollars a year can I make off wad dev? tens? twenties?

>>10953975
Q2’s in a sweetspot between Q1 and HL1 with its pacing. Compared to the big ‘98 shooters, HL and Unreal, I’d also say the encounters and fights throughout Q2 are more engaging but only after expansion fixes.
>>10954101
>Chthon at least throws explosive projectiles at the player and aims them in a way so that you can't just completely ignore it while you're running around pushing buttons.
Despite this, for what it’s worth, I found Shub’s level more engaging and fun because there were actual mobs to shoot and kill.

>>10952307
Where's our Faggot Launcher? It's for launching HFFM.

>>10954135
None. That would only have been possible in 1993 and 1994.

>>10954083
Cthton is ok, but Shubby just fucking sucks as a boss, even Icon Of Sin is better.

>>10954135
Even the best maps are lucky to bring in a couple million, and those take days if not weeks to produce.

>>10953717
>can't preview baked lighting in realtime in a game-ambiguous editor
>different versions of the same compilers produce wildly different lighting anyway
The real complaint should be that there still aren't GPU-based lighting compilers in current year. Most people have gaytracing cards by now so there's no excuse for my CPU to get raped for 30 minutes straight every time I compile lighting on an outdoors map.

>>10954160
isn't it just baking in vertex lighting? there's not that many vertices, I wouldn't think it'd take that long

>>10950857
Been wanting to make a retro style fps but I know fuckall about level design and have no experience in either Unity or Unreal. Would it be a good idea to use Doombuilder first to get a feel for map making and essentially make prototype levels? Then down the line I can remake them later in whatever engine, and use the momentum to branch into enemy design and whatnot. Starting right out the gate without some experience making levels is just super daunting.

>>10954172
Baked lightmaps raytraced from light sources.
Also, Quake 1 and 2 BSP compilers split faces into a fuckload of extra triangles. Quake 3, which actually has vertex lighting options, makes BSP with the minimum number of triangles needed to match a brush.

>>10954184
quake 1 uses lightmaps? that seems a little anachronistic for 1996

>>10954193
>that seems a little anachronistic for 1996
Doom was pretty anachronistic for 1993.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10954193
Nobody uses the original Quake 1 engine to play Quake 1 maps.

>>10953950
Quake had bosses?

take the SED1 pill
>real time lighting in editor
>ability to instantly test your level without any compiling
>archaic controls that make no sense at first and even when you do get adjusted to it you'll press one button by mistake and perform an action which you had no idea the editor could do
what's not to like?

>>10954209
Quake 1 always used light maps.

>>10953803
ANON, NO!

i want to play doom with a vhs filter

>>10954089
Its very interesting and creative, but needed more polish imo.

>>10954193
Anon it was a PC game, developed by one of the most intelligent and innovative programmers of the time. It wasnt using Spyro-ass vertex lighting.

>>10954309
I just figured that a gpu with 256k of vram would have a hard time dealing with zonewide lightmaps, you know?

>>10953157
Wow, Deadly Kiss actually works on Raze, just the level names are wrong. Voiceovers are super-goofy there, but otherwise it looks playable, will give it a go.

Been starting up Quake again after not playing for a while, currently working through the Alkaline map pack. I was wondering, are there any Quake 1 mods that make it sort of like an adventure game sort of like Zelda or Metroid? Something where levels have multiple exits and you pass through them on the way to other places, picking up items that let you pass certain barriers in previous levels.

I know Quake feels pretty great because every level feels self contained, but I thought something like this might add a lot more to a campaign episode or something.

>>10954094
oh baby

>>10954345
>Something where levels have multiple exits and you pass through them on the way to other places, picking up items that let you pass certain barriers in previous levels.
You're more likely to find something like that with Quake 2, since it has the whole being able to go back through previous maps thing. FTE engine can technically do it, but nobody makes mods for it.

>>10954363
>*screams in gpu*

>>10954331
>Raze
Eww

>>10954345
just play Powerslave

>>10954003
nta but a 5ish is just a meh, nothing that great or terrible, just there, you can play it and have some fun but will probably completely forget about the game in a few days.

Is there a way to programmatically change windows in doom to not be completely transparent? So that there is a difference between a what is just hole and what is a windowpane? Down to get my hands dirty if necessary.

>>10954003
You could also argue that 0-50 would be better since people usually use decimals anyway. Or ditch the score entirely and just rate it as not recommended, neutral and recommended. The way valve handles it is honestly pretty good but that doesn't really work with separate reviews as well.

cool

>>10954331
Got through the first non-intro level of Deadly Kiss, and it is unusual. It plays like the exact opposite to Wanton Destruction. Instead of tight detailed apartments, there are huge samy-textured corridors, like Amazon-warehouse the game, or Half-life like vibes with infinite ventilation shafts. Still enjoyable, loader control puzzle was nice and key hunting is straightforward.

It's kind of sad how little the Internet gives a fuck about Redneck Rampage. I noticed that, besides the blue Alien Vixen, there is also a green and a red/orange ones (not counting the final boss, which is also a variation of this enemy). The green one is weaker than the blue one and can only shoot energy balls, but I have no idea what the difference is between the orange and blue versions. Both can shoot energy balls, fireballs, and have machine guns on their tits. Maybe the orange one is a little weaker than the blue one? If I'm not mistaken, the orange vixen only appears once in the original game, but she appears more often in Route 66.

>>10954389
What's wrong with Raze? I l-like it...

>>10954564
>Liking GZDoom
Out

>>10954571
no :)

>>10954563
I got as far as the town the last time I tried this.
>>10954564
>chickenman port
I think that’s the only reason to dislike it. It’s a decent choice for all the Build stuff though I still prefer Eduke and NotBlood for their respective games.

>Wrath Aeon of Ruin finally comes out
>Levels fucking drag on forever
>Some may take up to 20 minutes just to find the way forward while finding all the items and secrets you can get or else you run out of ammo by the end of it
Christ, man. Have some restraint.

I tried playing TNT and Plutonia and now I want to kill myself. Is this normal?

>>10954602
It's made by people from the modern Quake mapping community. The maps there are all the same. I remember taking like 50 minutes on one the first time I played AD.

>>10954583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UtTtrwMQHI

>>10954604
TNT it's normal, Plutonia it's a skill issue

>>10954623
Maybe I should skip Plutonia and come back when I'm not hot garbage, then.

>>10953586
Hell yeah!

>>10954602
This takes the cake for me as the saddest of these “new 90’s” shooters.

>>10954606
>>10954627
I mean, the gameplay is alright. The weapons, enemies and ambience are all good. The melee dash is addictive for killing shit you should probably keep a distance from and for sequence breaking. I beat the demo on hard but the goddamn levels are a chore and never fucking end even there. If anything I made me not want to play the full game at all. At some point I was playing through one level for an entire day because it had no downtime. Insane.

>>10954646
I didn’t find the demo too inspiring and still have yet to finish it. Was that the most progress they made when Killpixel was still involved?

>>10954710
I guess it was. Footage of the full game looks the same to me.

>>10954571 (You)
>>10954583 (You)
>>10954618 (You)

>>10954174
>Would it be a good idea to use Doombuilder first to get a feel for map making and essentially make prototype levels?
Wouldn't hurt.

>>10954624
The design intent with Plutonia is that it starts out at Doom 2's UV endgame difficulty and then ramps up as it goes, so yes, you kinda wanna have a bit of experience with the game and how it plays.

Plutonia DOES have difficulty levels implemented, mind. On UV it goes pretty balls to the walls (by 1995-1996 standards), while on HMP it tones down the traps and ambushes to be less mean, and on HNTR it tones down the entire gameplay further. You could give HMP a go, if you complete Plutonia on that setting you'd definitely be ready for Plutonia on UV, especially if you study stuff like Pro Doom Monster Strats.

There exists some forum post or writeup or something somewhere, where a whole host of .wads are ranked out by challenge, from easiest to hardest.
Someone will know what I'm talking about and be able to share a link, and if you look there for some stuff which is above Doom 2, but below Plutonia, you could use that as a stepping stone.

>>10954783
t. salty member

>>10954835
Honestly I think the biggest issue plutonia has is that the difficulty is mostly due to hitscan which feels way less fair than something like scythe's later maps, despite being easier than them

>>10954389
Yeah, ports like EDuke32 are so much better, where every single mod ever made needs to be bundled with its target version, because every single update breaks the fuck out of every single mod, every goddamn time.

I don't know how Build modders put up with that shit.

>>10954838
I salted your dad's member.

>>10954840
Mostly due to hitscan? That better describes TNT, Plutonia makes clever use out of the entire bestiary in all kinds of ways, hitscanners are just part of that, it's not like it reenacts The Pit every other level.

>>10954849
It's the price you pay for actually being able to run the vanilla game with some degree of accuracy.
What Graf did with Raze is the equivalente of what they did with the Unity port of Doom on Steam, except worse. Shit doesn't even feel like the same game anymore.

What's the best source port for Catacomb 3D?

>>10954536
>Phantoms only

>>10954563
I just started RR a few days ago because I love the aesthetic, and I really don't get the hate for it

why there are now suddenly so many boom-compatible doom ports

what I am supposed to use

>>10954895
dsda-doom

>>10954602
I don't mind the long levels, what I do mind is how every encounter is just teleporting enemies in. It feels like there are barely any monsters preexisting in the maps.

>>10954895
GZDoom

I'm the Big Baron of this gym.

>>10954849
Reject EDuke32
Return to JFDuke3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC190KIkhPY

>>10954907
No thanks, I'm not a tranny.

>>10954480
This is why rating on a scale of 5 is more useful

>>10954927
Skilander doesn't use JFDuke3D, they straight up use vanillia build

>>10954867
>What Graf did with Raze is the equivalente of what they did with the Unity port of Doom on Steam, except worse.
That comment is real fun these days. Unity Doom now offers an arguably more “authentic Doom” experience over default GZDoom. Forget the filters, Unity keeps things like infinite height and original hitscan calculations.

The best part? Any of these Unity Doomers can just browse the downloadable wads and grab Revae’s Rekkr.
>>10954884
Are you playing a port that colors the keys?
>>10954905
The ones that were in the maps felt like they should’ve been teleported in and were usually abused through doorways. This was the first episode, not sure if it gets better.

>>10954953
>Any of these Unity Doomers can just browse the downloadable wads and grab Revae’s Rekkr.
For as long as that service is running, sooner or later it'll get kicked in the head.

>>10954867
>Eduke32
>vanilla game with some degree of accuracy
eduke is everything bad you think gzdoom is and worse
raze's duke implementation is based on eduke too, so good job talking with authority on something you have zero knowledge of

absolute kino

>tfw no doom pien

>>10955023
Classy. Pure vanilla or through one of the expansions/mods?

>>10955036
Pretty sure it's vanilla. I don't even have the expansions installed right now.

>>10954965
it's not based off eduke, it just share a few lines of code but it's different.

>>10954174
>Doombuilder
DB's not particularly helpful if you want to make 3D games in a more modern engine. You'd be better served by starting with something like Trenchbroom.

>>10953586
If you are the true Dumptruck, please set foot at the Battlezone Community group, people wants to know if the 3d assets for The Red Odyssey's Cinematics survived since you are the only team evolve guy that is still active.


>>10955023
Just play the remaster, the new AI makes this map nastier.

>>10955162
On which by the way, i need to play again since other gameplays took over.

>>10955162
>Just play the remaster
nah

>>10955162
>the true Dumptruck
The dude got his his internet clout obliterated by enforcing a no politics rule on dicksword and still hasn't recovered. You really think he'd come here to 4chan to shitpost?

>>10955193
Seeing that he was ousted by a sheep led coup and treason by spirit...
i would come here to shitpost and spew the pain a bit.
At least i would talk about the game dev and suggestions, like support the old prefabs or have them included for doors and such.

I dont think there has been a Q2 map that made use of the hexeris spiral door https://www.quaddicted.com/webarchive/prefab.planetquake.gamespy.com/quake2/q2doors.shtml
In fact, many of those prefabs would work great for a ship jam

>>10955162
>>10955187
You don’t have to play through the remaster for improved AI, you can play original levels through the expansions just from the original exe.

>>10955217
After Q2R i cant go back to that, even Rogue and Xatrix original AI feels meh after that.
Even the gunners became more vicious with it at the fucking swamp sewers in xatrix.

Just give me Xaero, Oblivion and Unseen with this shit if someone is reverse engineering the DLL of those.

>>10955227
>After Q2R i cant go back to that, even Rogue and Xatrix original AI feels meh after that.
I usually play with the 25th Anniversary mod. It has most of my favorite enemy changes, and I have a lot of control over the weapon balance. I might dig deep one day, look at the source for both, and see if I can plug in the evil gladiator railgun tracking from Mission 64.

>>10952450
Romero's maps always felt more canonic than any other designer's stuff, official or custom.

When Romero released E1M8b, I immediately got back the vibe that I'm in Doom's world again and it's 1994.

There had been many attempts by community members, like NEIS or DTWID, but nada... a beat is missing. They use the same textures and the same principles, but the Doom vibe.

And Sigil 1/2, despite it's assholery at times, immediately gave me back that classic feel. There were some weaker maps, like E5M9 or E6M2, which felt like fan products, but that's the exception, not the rule.

When I play Duke Nukem 3D, I have the exact same vibe from Allen Blum's maps. They have the certain **it**, that everyone else is severely lacking, and it became obvious with the 20th Anniversary release, especially with the Golden Gate map.

Back to Romero: I guess Doom 2 is less of his thing than Doom 1. I guess NRFTL captured Doom 2's essence the best.

>>10955292
Self correction:
They use the same textures and the same principles, but WITHOUT the Doom vibe.

>>10955292
>Levellord slander.

>>10954563
I liked the sort of erotic violence involving the Vixens like obviously the things they do to you, the tit-guns, their seductive appearance etc and whips etc, and then that loading or pre or post-map acreen where Leonard is holding the decapitated head of one of the Vixens and then in the 'Homecoming' level there is a Vixen torso spinning in a spit roast in an almost Dolcett-style fashion.

Redneck Rampage is really REALLY close hitting a home run with a great pulp horror vibe and I would have loved if RR had an overarching story with the aliens and whatnot but it was divided into a couple of episodes each involving slightly different subplots and / or deep southern themed shiet [I suppose with them exshpansion packs it kinda mimics having episodic structure?]

Having lil intros / outros with text and artwork accompanying them for episode starts and finishes would do wonderd in the absence of things like talking NPCs.

Loved those pulp movie posters in the 'towns' as well like the redneck zombies poster, hell, a small 'zombie invasion' setpiece could've really worked great for RR.

God damnit now you made me want to replay Redneck Rampage haha look at what you've done mister!

Wednesday night Whatever, come play some SRB2Kart!
Update your client to Neptune 2.1 if you haven't already.

How to join (The short and easy way):
Download the All-in-one repack: https://mega.nz/file/d68gALrb#xgsVOihAIsKqKowjf1-uzeeBbKcJ0R0C0VKCFMQdih8
Extract it to its own folder (NOT the desktop or program files)
Run "SRB2Kart-Neptune (Connect to vrkart).bat" and wait for any missing files to download in-game
DO NOT run "srb2kart.exe" and expect to be able to join the server.
If you don't have a 64-bit machine/OS for whatever reason: Copy the contents of the 32-bit folder into the main folder

How to join (The longer and harder way):
Download version 1.6 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/download/v1.6/srb2kart-v16-Installer.exe
Get the custom client we use (Windows): https://github.com/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune/releases/tag/Neptune2.1
Or compile it (Linux or anything else): https://github.com/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune
Get the mods: https://mega.nz/folder/MiUiESSa#CyovwTUnO9TSmqbwMI1xBg
Connect to 51.161.34.159 (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)

>I HAVE TO BITCH FAST AND TEXT CHAT TOO SLOW
We also have a Mumble server!
Address: 51.161.34.159 (same as the game server)
Port: default
Password: endoom

>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?
No.

Pro tips: https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq
(This is out of date and written for a different server, but it still has a lot of useful information.)

Recent Changes:
Fixed Gametype Voting and KMP (hopefully)
Reverted theme pack to the Doom 3DO music, complete with bugged voting screen (I know how to fix it, but it would require redownloading the theme pack)

>>10955426
He had his moments, like Abyss or LA Rumble, but Blum was much better. OTOH Levelord was better than Sandy or Doom's other official mappers.

>>10955430
I played it briefly years ago and its been on my list to go back and play thru again. I dont remember much about the game I just remember one enemy would say get off my lawn or something and it had some decent maps. At some point i'll get the program needed to run it properly and play thru it and its addons and i'll go download a ton of made maps for it also.

>>10955426
I think Levellord did the Moscow map in World Tour? That was a really nice level. I think he also lives in Russia and inserted a little bit of his local neighbourhoods into it.

>update gzdoom
>armored zombies in scavver's paradise become invulnerable, use damagenumbers, targetspy and linetarget to confirm, their hp drops to 1 but won't die
not a sourceport fanatic so this is the first time i've actually had a problem with gzdoom, but what the shit happened here

>>10955430
>>10954563
There is a prime, untapped market for a 90s style titsploitation shooter with big booby buxom bimbo bitches, but God has forsaken us to live through this hellscape of a decade where you can only get vidya ass and tiddies in one of those dumbass Powerpoint Presentation 'games' on Steam where all the bitches look the same while everything with an ounce of gameplay is some kinda gay shit.

>>10952401
>tabletop
Yeah and look how well that's turned out

>>10954174
What are you good at? Coding / scripting? Making models / sprite art / animations ? Or music / sounds?

What kind of a game do you want to make? Have you looked into using Hammer / Source development kit?

Making Doom levels will teach you to... make doom levels. Which is fine if you essentially want to make Doom but not if you're intending to do amything more complex.

I would personally not bother starting out with a level editor that is not even applicable to what you're intending to achieve.

>>10955486
>KMQ2
>Steed's beautiful skins
I'm pretty happy here, though some sort of "bimboshooter" in FTE could be cool.

>>10953151
>there were kids toys for Starship Troopers
Because it was PG-13 until the last minute when they decided to keep the boob scene in

>>10953151
Mortal Kombat was controversial enough to get the ESRB formed and got Nintendo to stop censoring games in the name of being family friendly, it still had a kids' cartoon.

>>10953098
>what were they thinking
Probably about not diluting the brand too much with dogshit tie-in products?

>>10953121
Doom 1/2 have too little plot going on for a cartoon to make sense to be made.

>>10955506
It's making a fuckton of money, so I guess pretty well.

>>10954116
I thought we were talking about games, not engines. That was really random, anon.

>>10955524
>some sort of "bimboshooter" in FTE
FTE does support "ponytail physics" for skeletal models, so that could work out pretty well...
This is actually a great idea and I'm totally down to help if any anons want to make it happen.

>>10954101
>Shub literally does nothing. There is no defending this
I did not say "Niggur does something". I said there's just lack of imagination and appreciation on yours and others' parts.

>>10954363
>>10954094
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2881610/Mohrta/
This looks REALLY fucking cool. Shame about early access.

>>10954606
>The maps there are all the same
Disingenuous and downright incorrect, unless you mean they FEEL the same because of the lackluster encounter design, then yes.

Find a flaw

>>10955642
It isn't sitting on my lap.

>>10955642

>>10955651
That's a nice pict-ECH
What the, whats that in the mou-ECH
AAAAAA

>>10954835
For the record I've gone straight from Ultimate, to 2, to TNT, and now Plutonia and even that way the difficulty spike is throwing me for a loop.
Maybe my mistake was worrying too much about playing every "official" wad before anything else?

>>10954563
>search paheal
>nothing

>>10954783
based

>>10954953
the Unity port is decent and serviceable but i've had crashes on PS4 with downloadable wads.

>>10955292
the 20th anniversary episode man. i didn't finish the first map and probly won't touch this port ever again...

>>10955575
>too little plot for a cartoon
when you see what Doom lore ended up becoming i'm sure glad we had 20 years of cease-fire(D3 didn't really count cause different char.).

>>10954835
>There exists some forum post or writeup or something somewhere, where a whole host of .wads are ranked out by challenge, from easiest to hardest.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

Here you go.

>>10954602
You're running out of ammo? Maybe hard mode isn't for you buddy. You dont have to play every single game on hard the first run yknow.

>>10950882
Doomsisters, it's ogre

>>10955797
No, this is Ogre

>>10955805
No, this is Patrick.