/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10845796

>>10845796
Um, your tv is sideways I think

>>10845801

>>10845805
It's in 'tate mode, because he 'tated/rotated the monitor.

>>10845796
I have a cheap Chinese phone, how do I take good pictures of CRT screens?

Is there a good contact list of people willing to RGB mod TVs?

>>10845796
>post your setup anon!
no
>>recent pickups (if any)
just some loose carts, nothing crazy
>>favorite brands \ recs (if any)
i dont really have a "favorite"
but i do appreciate low runtime hours
+good geometry +good prices
>>recommended vidya that benefits from CRT
anything from gen 4 down really
i dont mind my flatpanel gaming monitor
but it is jarring for certain titles from my childhood....

>post your setup anon! no >>recent pickups (if any) just some loose carts, nothing crazy >>favorite brands \ recs (if any) i dont really have a "favorite" but i do appreciate low runtime hours +good geometry +good prices >>recommended vidya that benefits from CRT anything from gen 4 down really i dont mind my flatpanel gaming monitor but it is jarring for certain titles from my childhood....

>>10845827
>crt photo
i use 4K video and find an acceptable frame while paused, then screenshot
>all my photos still look like shit


>RGB modz
just use s-video or component
not worth the money, hassle, time, etc

>>10845827
Paying someone to do something that you can learn to do yourself is the most cucked shit on this planet.

>>10845867
its dangerous

>>10845890
git gud and everything will be fine.

day of the landfill is upon us

All my CRTs are in storage due to reasons.
I play retro games on my phone with a CRT filter.

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>>10846845
I could have saved them...

>>10845796
>>10845827
>>10845831
>>10845845
>>10847062
>>10847067
Where are the computer monitors?

>>10847106
I don't have one, nor the space for one.
I am however on the lookout for one.

>>10845808
tate stands for tateru, not for rotate

>>10845838
That might be beyond the capabilities of my phone. I just get dark areas next to overblown areas of the screen and it can look like the same kind of blur from modern panels. The hand-me-down TV I managed to keep doesn't have component but it does still have S-Video. I was hoping to add an RGB option to the set, since I've used RGB from the old days but for the few consoles I have that only does S-video like the 3DO or WonderMega it could be an option.

>>10845867
I would rather the work be done by a professional. In addition, the set I want RGB modded doesn't appear to have any documentation since it is not a popular brand. Besides, I have a lot of electronics work I'd like done beyond just CRT modding, so there's a lot that I will have to learn which I'd rather invest in some help, it's how I hope to keep the economy going. Also as mentioned, I do believe it is dangerous work so I understand the higher rate for the specialization requires.

>>10847106
One is on my computer desk, the other in the closet. Hoping to preserve this one, while someone else helps me repair the active one.

>>10847106
the apple one technically was a pc monitor
i have some vga stuff too but it needs fiddling with
ive been meaning to order a dreamcast cable

>>10845796
Couldn't you get the same CRT look from a projector, but also save space?

>>10845827
Looks good to m>CHINAPHONE

Oh god what a dumbass

>>10848702
yes but a low latency projector will be expensive "gaymen projector lol"

>>10848702
You would be committing more space.

I still have my CRT from childhood, but I don't know much about these sets on a technical level. I know, at least I think this is the case, that 240p is a much more stable image than 480i for tube televisions. Maybe less sharp, but it just looks nicer and jitters or 'flickers' less. I think some games support both modes - for example, Tekken 4 and Tekken 5 on PS2 have a 'sharp' and 'soft' visual mode. Sharp does look sharper, but it jitters/flickers more. I don't know the proper term for it. Soft mode doesn't have that same jittering, but the image itself is less sharp. I think I prefer soft to sharp in those games.
Is it right that a higher refresh rate makes the flickering go down? For fun, I hooked up my tube tv to my computer via a converter, and the picture quality is monstrously sharp, but also flickery. The refresh rate was set to 60 via my graphics card control panel, but the highest supportest refresh rate on this tv seems to be 75hz. Should I keep it on 75hz then? It's pretty neat watching old 4:3 programs on the tv, but I feel like that 480i style flickering is gonna give me a headache in the long term, whereas 240p output is a lot more easy on my eyes. But as far as I know, there's no way to make a modern PC convert video out to 240p.

>>10847106
Honestly I find CRTs much more applicable to old 240p games than they are for modern or relatively modern PC stuff, as in games which can render at arbitrary resolution. I don't have a super high-end PC CRT, just a 1600x1200 75Hz monitor, but after trying multiple genres on it and on my primary 4k 160Hz monitor I didn't find a single game I preferred on the CRT overall. It has the edge in terms of motion clarity, obviously, but it turns out that I can hardly perceive any motion blur when actually playing a game at 160Hz, as opposed to staring at the UFO test or some shit.

240p output to a real CRT TV on the other hand looks awesome and no amount of integer scaling and shader fuckery really gets as good as the real thing, so I'm much more inclined to use a CRT TV than I am a monitor. Really low res is where CRTs shine, or rather really low res is where modern monitors really suck ass and a CRT has an advantage.

>>10849143
I think CRT TVs are designed for either 50 or 60Hz, depending on the area they're for (PAL/NTSC/whatever), while some of the later models may support both. I kind of find it hard to believe you have a TV which syncs to 75Hz, maybe your converter is taking whatever you give it on the digital side and is scaling / converting that signal to something the TV can actually take. I know some PC DOS stuff used 70Hz pretty frequently but I think that was in the VGA era already and it was something PC monitors supported. If your adapter is doing some sort of conversion you're probably not going to get the correct kind of image so you'd want something that spits out the analog signal with as little modification as possible.

The jitter you're seeing is due to interlaced video, where only half of the lines are displayed each refresh. Higher refresh rate would reduce this jitter but again, I don't think TVs actually go above 60Hz. In terms of content, video is always 576/480i and old games are often 240p but might switch to interlaced too.

>>10848901
CRT projectors exist.

I have a decent consumer CRT TV that I enjoy but I'm so damn jealous of all you guys owning PVMs and shit. I am SO mad I don't have one I want one so bad. Living in eastern yurop I don't even know where to look. I can't find any at all. Thought me being here maybe the autistic youtuber shilling wouldn't have ruined the market, but I'm starting to feel we never got any in the first place.

>>10849143
"soft" mode is probably a blur filter that makes interlacing look less obvious. It's called "deflicker" on the Wii.

I found a KV-25FX2R for an ok price. Looking at the specs I think it's worth it. Not too small, has SCART RGB, supports NTSC, isn't 100hz. Assuming it works well of course. It has one of those early 2000s grey plastic panels that stain and look shitty though. Is it possible to properly clean that? I have a 21 inch but I feel like I want a second bigger one. I think I can also get a KV-29X1R, although I'm not sure if I can fit it on my shelf.

>>10850171
KV-25FX20R*

>>10850171
Definitely can be cleaned, it's just plastic after all.

>>10849927
I have seen a few pvms and they don’t look much better than good small sets. I am in the process of rgb modding a magnavox with a Hitachi tube and being an older set it doesn’t have a good comb filter over composite so you see every console artifact. My 2002 Panasonic consumer has a much nicer filter and everything looks super clean and crisp. I guess a pvm being a reference monitor wouldn’t filter a lot of those artifacts, just get a nice scart or post 2000’s crt with good tech in it. I don’t think pvms come with comb filters so consumer sets can look better.

>>10850304
So this dirty KV-25FX20R then?

>>10850340
If you like Sony then why not? Good tubes and power supplies.

>>10850350
Right now I have a KV-21FX30. This one is a KV-25FX20. Aside from the size difference, am I downgrading? Only difference I can figure out is the FX30 being FE-2 and the FX20 being FE-1 chassis. On that note it might be worth looking into the KV-291X, since that's not flat and BE-3D chassis? Kinda heavy though, but it might be better to have two TVs with different designs?

>>10850171
stickerbomb over it

CRT illiterate here. What's up with the curved screens seemingly being preferred over the flatter ones? Are curved screens just objectively better?

>>10850485
Less weight and they don’t need additional circuitry to fix geometry at edges. Usually called an east west circuit but it never gets geometry quite right like a rounded tube which spreads the crt beam properly.

>>10850386
I don’t know but as you go up in size even for Sony TV’s geometry issues become more apparent and sharpness decreases. Looks great for 5th gen though when looking to mask early 3d

>>10850386
I would go for the rounded tubes if possible for an rgb mod, 6th gen needs composite and probably flat panels but really you want to for whatever has the best geometry which often means curved sets.

>>10850510
I'm yuropeen. Both already have RGB SCART.

>>10845827
>I have a cheap Chinese phone, how do I take good pictures of CRT screens?
Use a DSLR camera app and set it to 1/60 to try and match the TV's phasing.
By the way how is that Retro Trio? I remember the old Retro Duo was decent enough but the audio was horrible when playing NES games.

Im trying to convince my boss to take this home, decided to bring in my xbox and play some JSRF on my break. He doesn't mind lol

>>10850758
You forgot your image asshole.

>>10850758
Fuck, forgot picture

>>10850762
noice

>>10850762
Where do you work that you have this shit? Security or something? I've never seen one irl ever.

>>10850778
Television station, we have a lot of shit just wasting away.

>>10850781
Sell me one for cheap...

Since I don't think there's a shader thread active guess I'll say it here please don't crucify me.

So I was doing something unrelated at the desk with a magnifying glass then left it there and later while I was fiddling with it held it close to the computer monitor for no reason and I noticed from a certain distance I could see a subpixel grid, it adds a very slight curvyness to the screen and despite how sharp everything looked, surprisingly it also feels like things bleed a bit into eachother(probably an effect of the subtle grid). It was surprisingly CRT-like.
If you have a large and decent magnifying glass you can try it for yourself to see what I mean.

Makes me wonder if this phenomenon could be taken advantage of in some way like a magnifying glass in the shape of a whole screen you could attach to it to give it this crt-like effect to compliment shaders or be applied by itself.

Thoughts? Cue the ridicule and insults I guess

>>10850960
could be a cool handheld

>>10850960
i put a dk jr bezel over my flatpanel sometimes in windows

Jamie Thomas video unlocked.

Anyone here have or ever heard of experiences with a JVC tv? Specifically the one I got dumped on me is the JVC master command 3. Wondering if it's worth the effort to get hooked up and all or if it's not worth playing on.

wow these look crummy lol

>>10850758
>>10850762
>JSRFail
>Not JSR

>>10848030
Quit being a weeb

>>10853840
But that is where it comes from

I took this rca console set from the side of the road and replaced the filter caps that were preventing it from turning on, now it works good. You don’t see stuff from this era much anymore. I prefer older stuff but I appreciate this one

I did manage to save this hand-me-down TV from getting tossed for now. There is no documentation on this since it is an uncommon brand. That's why I'm searching for someone with the expertise to RGB mod it.

https://youtu.be/i1sGprmPcNk


>>10848786
I would have continued to use my Xperia Play for as long as I could, but its power button stopped registering pushes. So I had to get a new phone, but I suppose I just wanted to be different instead of going with a Samsung like everyone else around me, and a Chinese phone was the only affordable option.

>>10850726
I'll try, any recommendations from the play store that's free? As for the RetroTrio, I got an earlier version that does not play the MMC5 games but I heard the newer ones which output HDMI does support those games. It is not as accurate as modern FPGA implementations, but I still have fun playing the games as they are anyway.

>>10853914
i dig it

does any crt display exist that could display a color 625 line signal at 60 hertz?

>>10854529
Most any PC monitor.

>>10854529
Some kind of multisync monitor maybe. However there is no point whatsoever to ever want 625 line 60hz.

Is samsung 997mb any good? I have one selling nearby for 50$.

I want to replace a crusty speaker that barely works in my 10" car CRT with something newer, but don't know shit about audio. The speaker in my TV is marked as 25ohm, all new speakers about this size I see in stores are 8ohms, will they work as a replacement or they're going to blow up?

>>10854529
What do you mean? That should be well within the range of pretty much any VGA PC monitor. 625 lines isn't standard for any PC resolution as far as I know but it would be just a little bit higher than the extremely common 800x600 so you can definitely get that to work on most monitors.

>>10845796
Been playing a ton of NES recently.

CRT question.

I'm looking at hand held portable CRTs from 5 inch to 7 inch screens.

Why are almost all of them Black and White screens only?

Do color CRTs need a minimum size?

Is the tech limited?

>>10856074
My guess is that the market for a small portable tv was mostly for people watching the news in the kitchen/on the go where fine details and color don’t matter, or for kids. It is probably also true that a very small tv would need a much finer shape mask because of dpi reasons, coupled with the fact that color CRTs are inherently more expensive to make than b/w ones, that color CRTs just aren’t competitive in that size range. One of the more interesting ones I can think of is Sony’s little 7” crt that came on a swivel stand, that one gets posted online a lot

>>10856221
I would have thought shadow mask limitations myself but apparently Panasonic made a 1.5 inch color shadow mask CRT. Seems to me though that small portable TVs were a missed opportunity for the beam-index tube.

Just got an A20 BVM. Looks incredible but I can't take pictures for dick.

>>10854679
A friend of mine used to have one. Very popular and reliable by the late 90s. Max rate is 160Hz but recommended at 85.

>>10854823
no.
you must impedance match
why don't you just use an external audio set up instead of the tiny crappy speakers??

you could add resistors & measure with a fluke to get it "close enough lol" but its going to sound like shit

>>10856221
Thank you for response. I
May I ask if possible to use crt rejuvanator on a portable 5 inch crt?

>>10856728
It should work as well as on a standard size crt, which is always a toss-up. I would make sure the voltages are matched, most CRTs use 6.3V on the heater but I could imagine a tiny crt using a lower voltage.

>>10856741
Also you will probably have to make the socket adapter yourself

I am so jealous of all of you PVM owners, especially the ones with bigger sets that got them for a fair price. I want one so bad.

I don't have a retro console atm so I tested a CRT I got for free with a Wii using virtual console. Here's my setup:
>Wii to composite
>composite into VCR
>VCR RF out into the CRT (CRT only has RF IN)
Image quality is amazing however no matter what I can't get the sound to work. The VCR outputs sound just fine to composite but I'm wondering how RF audio doesn't work. To be clear, it's a constant static noise that is the same when there are no channels. Not even faint sounds can be heard of the game.

>>10856908
>Wii to composite
>can’t get audio to work
Anon, why even put the audio into that in the first place
Just get some bookshelf speakers and plug the white and red into them

>>10856917
Yeah I'm doing that sort of but with a TV but my question is why wouldn't RF work?

>>10856937
Maybe the VCR has some sort of audio mixing ability
There could be a audio channel switch

>>10856937
the VCR has its own volume
pop a tape in and see if you can hear it

>>10857307
also double check
the VCR have audio in and out
you might've plugged it into the wrong shit

Recently picked up this SSM-9040p for a decent price, with a small defect (the image is horizontally misaligned).

Anybody know how to fix this? I imagine there's a pot I have to adjust somewhere

>>10856908
If it's PAL then there's like 10 different standards and some use different audio frequency, your TV might not support all of them, there might be a switch near the RF socket on your VCR, try flipping that.

>>10857429
Look for a pot labeled "H hold"

>>10856631
It's a portable TV I bought to be tiny, adding nice speakers in the mix would defeat the purpose. I already have another CRT setup with a nice sound system, this one I just want to be audible. So adding 16 ohm resistor to 8 ohm speaker should be close enough to work, yeah?

>>10857594
It would be good enough to hear what’s going on, it might or might not produce a pleasant sound.

Have had this TV about 5 years now and it works fine, but there is a slight horizontal non-linearity issue. On the left hand side the image is squished which is not ideal for side scrolling games. Not a huge deal, hence why I've left it, but it would be nice to fix if possible. I read that you can increase the inductance of the inductance coil with magnets to solve this problem but I have no idea how to do that. Does anyone have experience with this issue?

I've been reading about the history of CRTs. I learned the last CRT factory closed in 2006. That's almost 20 years ago. There's no way to make any new CRT tubes. What we have left in the world is all were going to get.

I remember CRTS being thrown in sidewalks and on the side of the road during the late 2000s/early 2010s.

I don't see that anymore.

I see people complaining that finding good tubes and replacement parts for some chassis is very difficult in some countries.

Are you people worried? In another 10 to 15 years, CRTs are going to be super ultra rare. Like relics. It makes me sad. I can't share CRTs with my future kids and family.

Or do you guys not care once you pass and just accept that CRTs will probably completely die out in your lifetime.

It's not like classic cars that can be rebuilt. No one can make new CRTs anymore.

>>10857941
There's a reason they were abandoned, they're pretty much niche cases for retro enthusiasts at this point
LCD and LED have come so far that the early problems they suffered from are nonexistent or almost solved entirely

I'm not saying this like I want old tech to die, it's just the march of time and it is sad in a way
Media at the time was made with said tech in mind, it's just not made like that anymore

>>10857941
>I can't share CRTs with my future kids and family.
Why? Buy a bunch and keep them in good condition, they will live long enough for your grandkids to look at and quietly think grandpa is crazy.
SD CRTs had to work 24/7 for years to wear out the tube so you're not killing yours by playing retro games on it for a couple of hours a day.

>>10858089
I watched a video of a guy who bought 2 sealed Sony TVs still in original factory boxes. Theg were 25 inches and from the early 1990s. He plugged one in and it worked great for about 3 hours, and then smoked and shorted out.

What did he do wrong?

>>10858097
Capacitors go bad over time, they're like batteries

>>10857917
I can’t tell be used the rest of the screen is cut off but are you sure it’s not a pincushion issue. If it is just the corner the solution is to tape a magnet to the crt neck at that corner to push the beam back into place

>>10858097
There’s only 2 ways a crt tv goes bad for good these days, it’s either a worn out tube or a bad flyback (or a bad yoke, but newer ones never go bad). Tubes and fly backs are the components that wear due to use and not age, and they are pretty much the only parts that cannot be replaced, because the replacement part is usually attached to another functioning set.

I’m going to say something none of you guys are going to like, but it needs to be said: CRT gaming is only worth it if you primarily play 2D games. Sure it’s nice 3D games but it’s not essential as it only really benefits menus and UI.

>>10858206
Ok but input lag and no black borders and no gay LCD screen.

>>10858206
Nah, PS2 games look like SHIT on anything but CRT no matter how you slice it.
>only really benefits menus and UI
Nonsense

>>10858215
>input lag
Not even an issue anymore, they're so fast that you couldn't perceive it even if you tried

>>10857941

I know, I hate it too. I have like 5 crts I'm sure sure they'll carry me to my end but it really sucks knowing that there's people out there who won't get a chance to use one. Everything is better on crt, TV, video games, when I got my first pvm a few years ago I had hooked up a neo geo to it that I had just purchased prior, after years of not using one, maybe even decades; I was floored. I miss the old days so much, its not just nostalgia either... Everything was better, literally everything. Look at a list of 80's cartoons compared to a list of cartoons in the 2020's, movies, music, we aren't just on a downslide we are falling off a cliff and nobody seems to mind.

i got an old AMD gpu with VGA out and a VGA to component converter, but im not getting any image.

>>10858097
If the smoke was white it was definitely capacitors.

>>10858306
I definitely think 2D games look better on a nice CRT. It's really a shame. I'm debating if I should buy a couple high end CRTs off ebay or something before it's too late and too expensive or rare.

Also do I need to learn how to solder and do capacitor replacement now just to keep these electronics going? It makes me sad since it feels like CRTs were abandoned by society.

My RETARD cat pissed on my smaller crt and while the smell is gone from the actual television itself, the cord still smells like PISS. I used white vinegar as suggested by Chat GPT and it still won’t come off. What the fuck do I do?

>>10858643
I like 409.

>>10858643
>as suggested by Chat GPT
So, what did we learn today?

>>10858643
rice vinegar?

>>10858643
Wipe down entire cord with anti-bacterial wipes. Piss is full of bacteria.

Leave it outside for 24 to 48 hours so it can air out, and the smell can disspitate properly. Don't leave it indoors.

If smell still there, coat the cord with baking soda and let it sit outside for another 24 hours. Then dust off baking soda.

>>10858676
>If smell still there, coat the cord with baking soda and let it sit outside for another 24 hours. Then dust off baking soda.
I’ll try that. The fiancé and I are going to watch Lady and the Tramp since I haven’t seen it since I was a baby. I’ll try to take some pictures. We want to use the bigger tv but we don’t have a stand for it yet, hoping to pick one up tomorrow.

>>10858719
Make sure you put a lot of baking soda around the whole cord. Don't be stingy. Baking soda absorbs odors. The more you add, the more it absorbs.

>>10858336
What do your drivers and modelines look like

>>10858171
Hmm, there is some slight warping in the bottom right corner, but I don't think so. It affects the entire left side of the screen. Might be hard to tell from pic but it is definitely noticeable in 2d games.

>>10858895
forgot pic

>>10856326
i want one ;_;

>>10853914
That is seriously one classic looking machine. And the only problem was a capacitor issue?

>>10858898
Oh you mean real linearity as in the boxes are larger in the middle and smaller at the sides? There is usually a horizontal linearity adjustment for that. What model tv is it?

>>10845796

>>10858984
I can get this exact same model for 10 bucks in seemingly great condition and I'm still debating it. I just don't have space for it, but I kinda wanna get it now just to have when in 5-10 years they're unobtainable like PVMs.

>>10858993
If you have no use for it, then no. But honestly I agree with your assessment, as it seems that every year the realm of what people want when it comes to CRTs broadens every year as the fervor increases and the supply decreases. At first it was basically just the Sony PVMs/BVMs and NEC XM/XPs, then it broadened to any decent size PVM, then even the micro PVMs, then quality consumer sets and better PC monitors, and now we're at the point where people unironically want small TV+VHS combo sets. I wouldn't be surprised if people are willing to pay $150+ for random PC CRT monitors by the end of the decade.

>>10858942
Panasonic TC-20S10M, it's pretty basic. Last I checked there wasn't a service menu option for horizontal linearity. Do you mean like a pot inside the tv or something?

Was able to pick up a KV-20FS120 yesterday for $30.

It had this reddish tint and the picture is pretty dim. I'm assuming this is a hardware issue. Any ideas what it could be/how to fix it? Waiting on a replacement remote to hop into the service menu.

>>10859070
You can mess with the colour settings but it's probably just old and worn out.

>>10859070
Lmao, fucking retard actually spent 30 bones on a CRT with dying flyback. I know most people here are tech illiterate, but it wouldn't hurt to google shit before purchasing a rather heavy paper weight, wouldn't it?

>>10859246
It's a 20" with component for $30 on Facebook marketplace. The seller had track marks. It's a bet that I've probably lost anon.

>>10859327
$30 is basically lunch these days.

Also a degausing wand might solve the issue;

I'm not sure I'd this right thread but I think it might be semi-related.

I'm looking for a specific VCR for my CRT TV. One from the 1990s from my childhood. Probably bought it from Circuit City. Budget model. I can't remember the specific model. I think maybe it was RCA? It had a jog wheel in front that I could twist left or right to rewind or fast forward. Remote was small. Not many buttons on the remote.

Are there any websites for VCR model info? I'll know the VCR when I see a picture of it and the remote. Or any good places to buy VCRs or VCR remotes besides eBay or Craigslist?

>>10859032
Yes a pot, in simple sets the high voltage is tied to the horizontal output so adjustments like that are harder to do. I’ll take a peak and see if your set has anything I can find

>>10859452
It seems you’re probably out of luck, that service menu looks anemic and there aren’t any pots inside. What I would do if it bothers you is replace big capacitors in the horizontal scan circuit, because they probably tuned the linearity at the factory so factory spec components should bring it back into alignment

>>10859070
See if smacking it changes anything, it might have a short in the tube. It could also be dying or some component failed that is messing up the circuit

>>10859246
Bro...is $30 a lot to you?

>saved a 27" Magnavox from bulk pickup on trash day
Shocked that I found it on the side of the road, you never see anything but LCDs and the occasional projection TV now
>Philips Magnavox MS2730 C221

fits in a backpack and weighs less than 20 pounds = portable

>>10848432
You won't get zapped or killed or anything when working on a crt if you follow common sense.
For RGB modding: if whatever model you have doesn't have service manual online, you disassemble it and see what jungle chip this set has; if this chip doesn't have any RGB inputs (no OSD/integrated chip/locked RGB inputs) - you're out of luck.

>>10859594
>playing GameCube pacman on a crt in public
Why aren’t you trying to get between that girl’s legs?

>>10859594
She looks like she wants you to invite her to play, bitch is bored with Fortnite on her iphone

>>10859627
He's clearly hanging out with his friends.

>>10859594
>>10859629
All I can think is how her little phone can do everything this setup can do
Crazy how far tech has come

>>10855975
I love Mega Man 2 + 3!

>>10859631
Oh so he’s testosterone deficient

>>10859632
It can do everything except be cool.

>>10856261
the limitation is the phosphor pitch. you can make color tubes as small as you like but the color resolution will be limited because there's only so close you can get the phosphors. if you look at footage of of the tiny panasonic tubes you can see what i mean. pic related is an up-close of a 5" slot mask tube. i took it because i was interested in a comparison between these small color sets and b/w sets of the same size and big color sets in terms of detail in color and monochrome signals. if anyone's interested i can dump some comparison pictures.
sony made some indextrons which were beam index tubes.

>>10859070
i know some sets had red push that could be disabled in the service menu, but i don't think that's what this is

>>10859816
Probably the color drives need adjusting. The red is the lowest frequency so wears out last. You can turn the red color down that way you don't have to boost the blue and green beyond capacity or if that's even possible if they're so worn.

Is there one console I can get that I can download all of my roms on to play on my CRT? Is the Wii the best one? What about if I want to play PS1-2 roms?

>>10860008
It’s called a PC but the Wii is your best bet to output a 240p signal. It is possible from a PC but very difficult. Or else just use a pc crt monitor.

>>10859594
>playing a CRT with Gamecube at a Burger King.

So what's your plan if someone is sitting at that exact table with the wall outlet?

>>10856074
i have a tiny color one and b&w one
i dont recommend either
its a cool meme but
it wont get used

>>10856895
mine are 14"
i got them for reasonable prices
but shipped from within 400 miles
its a diceroll mailing shit like that but
both sellers padded the shit out of them
i saved all the sound isolation foam for other audio projects like a tweakster
the ones with "only svideo & composite" are cheaper
havent had any issues & there was no burn in on either
>>10845796
i just wanted something for my tate arcade pcb +fenrir saturn

>>10860008
>ps2
youre gonna need more gas
wii can do SOME ps1
get a ps2 slim and a wii to start
use a wired controller on the wii (raphnet)

>>10856728
>crt rejuvanator
what does this do?

>>10860209
>what does this do?

In the most simplest terms, it connects to the back of a CRT Tube.

The rejuvanator measures the health of each of the CRT guns (red, green, and blue gun). You want each gun to be in the green zone.

CRT guns get worn out with age and with heavy use. So If any of the guns have low health, you can use the CRT rejuvanator to restore the CRT gun to good health by heating up the gun to burn off any defective material.

This comes at the cost of lowering the overall life of the CRT gun. A good analogy is like healing a "sick person" in a hospital to good health. But the cost of taking away 5 years of their life. So they have a shorter life.

There is also the risk that it can break the gun....So a CRT rejuvanator is an absolute last resort option. For situations when you have a bad image on your CRT screen...and re-capping, replacing the flyback, and replacing any other broken components does not fix the image.

>>10860186
>slim

Don't give bad advice. >>10860008 Get a fat PS2. 50000 series or any 30000 one. FreeMCboot card and an >>>official<<< modded Sony network adapter to load games from an SSD. Don't get a slim unless you want to bother doing the German DIY M2 mod, and if you do only get a 70000 (not 77/75) one.

>>10860507
The official network adapter is not required, the Gamestar knockoff works just fine. 50000 series PS2 is probably the best, because you can use mechapwn and play burned PS1 games relatively easily

>>10860563
The gamestar knockoff is literal trash, stop kicking yourself in the nuts just to save 15 bucks. A PS1 is like 30-50 bucks too.

>>10860576
sata adapter from aliexpress works just fine, stop fellating the corporation and encouraging grifting

>>10860576
>The gamestar knockoff is literal trash
No, it is not. It doesn't have an Ethernet port, but HDD performance is exactly the same

>A PS1 is like 30-50 bucks too.
That's true, but have fun finding one where the drive isn't on its last legs. Maybe the PSOnes are better in this regard, haven't had any of those

>>10858892
my what and huh?
my driver is version 15.201.1151.1008 for the AMD Radeon HD 6450.
no idea what modelines are.
ive gotten it to the point where i get a stable image, but its completely distorted. image clarity is complete ass and it sort of tries to display the same image twice.

>>10860625
No it doesn't. Stop shilling ch*nese garbage.
>>10860626
>No, it is not
Yes it is. Also, use an ODE wtf.

>buy TV with remote in terrible condition
>hmm let me find a new one
>skipped ebay because shipping costs as much as the remote itself
>find some local website using google
>hurr durr just 10 bucks???
>expect Sony
>receive an Alien

I'm laughing my ass off right now. This is the most chinese build quality I've seen in my entire life it's so awful. Doesn't look too bad in the image but I swear I never even thought it could be this bad. What the fuck was I thinking?

>>10858089
Some people have this weird, fatalistic obsession with all their /vr/ stuff withering away and being lost forever. Whether it's disc rot or spending more time ruminating on the finite supply of CRTs than actually using them.

>>10860879
do they work?

>>10860717
You are probably sending it 480p. Look up crtemudriver, it will have resources on how to make your gpu output 240p. What is the model of your vga/component transcoder?

>>10861080
Didn't even bother putting the batteries in. Genuine one works 50/50.

Fellas, I need to access the RV50x pots on my Sony SSM-9040, but I can't seem to pull the D-BOARD out on the side, as there's some kind of mechanical resistance.

I've followed the PVM 8040 service manual (since they're basically the same monitor chassis and board wise), but removing the screws and unhooking the claws isn't enough for it to budge.

Any help on what I might be doing wrong?

why hans't any company started producing crt agains for like $20,000 or something? nerds pay more than that on arcade cabinets so I can't see how a shipping a few units wouldn't sell

>>10861102
but my TV can do 480p.
the vga to comp converter is this
https://www.ebay.de/itm/285365772977
ive tried following the instructions for the installation of the crtemudrivers but the setup already doesnt work for me.
it says to run setup, then tells me it will enable TESTSIGNING and that upon reboot a Test Mode watermark would appear on the bottom right screen. then it throws an error it cant enable TESTSIGNING which is still intentional according to the instructions.
only problem is that i dont get this test mode watermark after rebooting and executing the setup again like the instructions call for just repeat the whole thing.

>>10860879
tv remotes should be nigh impossible to break save for rust or battery corrosion.
the buttons are just a membrane shorting out contact points. you cant really break those.
the rest of the remote is one single PCB.
cleaning the remote out, especially under the rubber membrane and on the PCB should work fine. inspect the board for obvious damage. if you cant find anything and it still doesnt work after that you *could* try probing around with a multimeter but i cant imagine youd find much. i dont know if remotes come with capacitors that could leak. if they do, you could try changing them.

>>10861224
try again in 100 years lmao decent tubes are everywhere no one would pay even 1000

>>10861257
I'd pay $1000 for a 4K multiscan.

>>10857917
are there ways to fix geometry issues like those outside using the service menus without having to open the TV?

>>10861362
ok, im sorry for not noticing the pic. but yeah, are there ways to deal with geometry issues without opening the TV, besides the service menus?

>>10860879
I'd suggest using Krud Kutter on the old remote to clean off that gunk. KK does a fantastic job removing skin grease stains, as well as tobacco smoke stains.

>game: brandish
>pc-98
filmed with my ipotato

>>10861229
What is your tv.
If it accepts 480p you don’t need crtemudriver. Just set your resolution to 640x480. However, sending 480p to a tv that can only do 480i will produce a doubled image

>>10861140
if you can open the sony one up without breaking it, then i bet you can get it working and presentable with isopropyl or contact cleaner on the contacts and warm soapy water for the plastic.

>>10861379
not unless there are adjustments in the regular menu

>>10859476
>>10859483
Thanks a ton for the help man, appreciate it. I'll try replacing the caps and update.

Just checked prices online and saw that the price for a good everdrive is upwards of around $300 per console. How hard is it to hook up a PC to a CRT with composite input without creating additional input lag?

>>10861553
Just get a Mister, unironically. I use one of these composite adapters.

>>10861553
I agree with the mister or a cheap option is a pi with composite out.

>>10861154
We need better pictures.

>>10861224
You need very specific equipment, chemicals, and precision to make a CRT Tube. I heard the last CRT factory closed down in 2006. China bought all the equipment. They tried to make cheap CRTs but the Chinese kept messing it up. Apparently the Chinese were having trouble finding ways to make the CRT monitor even cheaper but still have it function properly. I guess there's only so much you can shave off from production costs of making a CRT. It needs a certain minimum to function.

>>10861752
If Farnsworth could make a CRT in his garage using 1920's technology then surely it could be done today but better with modern technology and the cumulation of about a century of knowledge on CRTs.

>>10861752
Source? If they had the documentation there's no reason they wouldn't have been able to do so. There was a factory ran by the indian government going along until like 2013 or something

>>10861797
It’s costly, like any TV production
You only get OLED TVs as cheap as they are due to the amount made

>>10861578
i have one of these but the 32x core has "wrong" colors\tint
does this work with the 32x?
my adapter is an "antonio V" adapter

>>10861578
I got a Wii again for the first time in more than a decade because it's so good at emulation and has fun games, but it seems to suck at PS1/Saturn
I was looking at the PS3, but it struggles to emulate its previous iterations like the Wii

Is this the best composite based emulation solution for those 2? Kinda disappointing/surprising that the Wii struggles with those 2 old systems
I'm willing to compromise with 480i

>>10862061
Saturn core is still in beta, but can confirm that Mister is an excellent option for composite video. From the looks of it to get lag free with PC you'd need to transcode it to component first which seems like a pain. Raspberry pi seems like an easier time if you don't want to pay so much. I don't regret my mister investment but up to you.

>>10861742
Old pic from before I dusted it. It's basically the same internals as a standard PVM-8040 or 9041

>>10854569
>>10854576
>>10855912
to clarify, i mean PAL resolution at 60Hz vertical. 625 lines of video, that is 576i with blanking, but 30 times a second instead of 25. that would give a horizontal frequency of 18.75kHz. i think there's some leeway in early tvs with their frequencies, but i'm inclined to think this is outside the margin. i don't know of any display that does frequencies between the standard 15kHz and medium res 24kHz. i know there are computer and arcade monitors which do both, but i don't know if they display signals at frequencies in between.
now, the reason i'm curious about this in the first place is because i was watching this youtube video talking about downscalers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4MZ3y9Q5kI&t=711s
and at the 11:52 mark there's this game shown, presumably being downscaled. running a screenshot of the video (right click any youtube video twice) through yandex's reverse image search told me the game in question is called Witch's Rhythm Puzzle. it's a rhythm puzzle game. with nudity. presumably this is the switch version being played, and i don't know if it's different from other versions of the game, but it's listed as having partial nudity in various rating systems. pegi 12 and esrb T. the game's also available on steam and gog and the developers released an r18 patch.
https://erogejapan.com/patch/witchs_rhythm_puzzle/
but what the differences are between versions and patches and what they show i didn't investigate much further. i didn't even pirate a copy to see, because even though the game looks fun and the witch tit mystery intrigues me, my heart belongs to crts.

>>10862354
see, while the youtube series about downscalers is interesting enough, what i'm more interested in is displaying modern 2d pixel games on crts at 1:1 resolution. most modern games which use pixel art use some factor of a common modern resolution for their vertical resolution, then scale up. so with the game running at 1080, each pixel of the game's art may be 3 or 4 pixels high. the common vertical resolutions for pixel art games are 180, 240, 270, and 360. each of these is a factor of 1080 and/or 720. witch's rhythm puzzle is no exception. it uses a resolution of 1080 divided by 5, which gives 216.
i couldn't find it listed anywhere, but looking at gameplay footage it seems like the framerate is 60, which is pretty important for a rhythm game.
if you compare the original game with the footage in the video, it's clear that the pixels don't align with the scanlines. this is the shortcoming of using a downscaler like that.
so, how to display a 384x216 game running at 1920x1080 on a crt? practically speaking, i don't know what kind of hardware/software would work. but on a theoretical level, 216 fits within 240, so it would be possible to display the game on a 240p display with letterboxes. however, since the game uses square pixels, it wouldn't fit inside a 4:3 display of 320x240. the game is too wide. now, if you were to use a widescreen display at 240, it would fit. with square pixels you'd get 426 and 2/3 pixels to work with. the image would have letterboxes and pillarboxes, and for widescreen 240p you'd need either a widescreen sd tv or a 4:3 sd set with a 16:9 mode. and rgb input would be ideal but that's kinda outside the scope of this exploration. crts with analog input have no concept of pixels within horizontal lines, but to generate the signal you might want a 1280x240 super resolution to avoid nonsquare pixels. so, it's kind of a messy solution, but it works.

>>10862356
there's another solution, though. it's not exactly more ideal.
a horizontal resolution of 384 is the same as a progressive PAL signal with square pixels, 288p. PAL is a 625 line standard with the same horizontal frequency as 525 line standards like NTSC. the tradeoff is the framerate, with PAL being (approximately) 25 frames per second interlaced, making 288p 50 frames per second. so even though the image would fit with an integer number of square pixels, the picture wouldn't refresh fast enough. pic related is a mockup of what the letterboxed image would look like.
that's where the question about 60Hz 625 line comes in. i guess i should've phrased it as 288p at 60. not even the PAL60 standard fits the criteria (it's 525 lines at 60 fields per second like NTSC but with PAL color), and to my knowledge, this kind of signal isn't used anywhere.
maybe "linedoubled" and letterboxed on a computer monitor at 768x576 at 60Hz vertical ~36kHz horizontal would be possible, but that's no longer 1:1. i don't think it'd matter too much for this kinda art style. if all else fails, 1920x1440 ~90kHz would do it.

>>10862357
im gonna need a source on that pic

>>10862360
>>10862354

>>10860726
By your logic "SATA upgrade" (which you suggested) for the official adapter is ch*nese garbage as well

>PS1 ODE
I'll use mStation if it ever comes out. Lifting pins for an ODE is bullshit

>>10860959
Well... It really will eventually all break and waste away. I myself got 2 identical PVMs for cheap some time ago, I sold one and now regret it

>What if the flyback fails on mine
>what if some power surge wrecks the PCBs

That's what I keep thinking sometimes. I think it's just some psychology quirk about having something rare (at least as perceived by you), and not being able to easily replace it. 20 years from now, will you still find a PVM, or even a decent TV in good condition for sale? If so, for how much?

>>10860959
>>10862531
just run it until it breaks
i have this train of thought on arcade pcb
but i still try to make time to playtest\enjoy them

otherwise what is even the point

>>10862565
You should also try to fix it even if it breaks. Many failures are just dead capacitors, or other relatively simple fixes. Soldering iron and a multimeter can extend the life of /vr/ gear by decades

I have a CRT that does this weird flashing in the corner and makes a high pitched noise (more than usual). Is it fucked? I'd guess it's power supply related, but by the looks of things the caps around there were replaced at some point and look OK, so I'm concerned the flyback may be the problem.

>>10862619
also the noise is more noticeable on a white screen which also makes me think it's power related

>>10862465
>By your logic

Incorrect.

>>10860576
what's wrong with the gamestar one? mine works ok

>>10862665
It doesn't work with some methods of formatting and loading games. It has some issues with compatibility. QC varies from unit to unit. It's a ticking time bomb and you don't know when it will die. You can get a modded genuine one for like 15 bucks more or so. Don't be a gimp.

>>10862154
I have an old GT 740 SC put away so I should be able to just run 480i through settings with it
It has a second DVI port with analog capabilities, and I have a direct DVI to VGA adapter so...should work well I'm guessing

Thanks for the info

>>10860959
There will be a time when every remaining working CRT would be a museum piece but not during our lifetime. Billions of these things were made.

>>10861553
There's VGA2NTSC but it's hard to find nowadays, getting 15KHz out of PC is a pain and the video quality is ass. If you need composite your options are mister, rpi and wii.

>>10862037
Antonio's adapter is old and busted, looks like shit on every core, should be only used for s-video, you need active YC adapter.

>>10862623
How so?

>>10862676
>It doesn't work with some methods of formatting and loading games. It has some issues with compatibility.
Which methods are those? What compatibility issues?

>QC varies from unit to unit. It's a ticking time bomb and you don't know when it will die. You can get a modded genuine one for like 15 bucks more or so. Don't be a gimp.

A ticking time bomb would be an old Samsung smartphone, with a swollen battery, placed on a couch and being charged. Stop being a retarded autist about some simple adapter PCB. I own Sony adapter myself, but for most people, the chink knockoff will be just as good

>>10862356
>>10862357
Crazy how you went from a solution that makes sense and provably works(use a normal fucking tv and hit the 16:9 button to let the tv do the letterboxing for you) to crackpot bullshit 18KHz signal.

>>10861797
>If they had the documentation there's no reason they wouldn't have been able to do so.
NTA but Documentation isn't enough. You need trained personnel with industry knowledge on how to operate the machines properly, and dealing with any problems that come up in the production process. You can't just take any peasant farmer from the Chinese countryside, and get them to operate industrial grade equipment making precision equipment. They would need to be trained by experienced people who know what they are doing. A lot of industrial knowledge isn't written down. Only experienced first hand and learned through trial and error.

Look up why we can't rebuild Saturn V rockets that took humans to the moon. We have ALL the old documentation, but there are still gaps in the production process we don't know and can't be explained on paper. And many of the engineers and factory technicians who made the Saturn V rockets are either retired or passed away. So we have to make brand new rockets again from scratch.

>>10862757
That's for you to clarify.
>>10862774
>the chink knockoff will be just as good
Stop lying to people

>>10861770
I remember seeing a guy building a very respectable little crt from scratch, but you pretty much have to make it b/w without advanced fabricating processes.

>>10862565
Is that the composite or rgb monitor?
I love those little apples

>>10862621
The flashing in the corner is probably the data lines in the image, you’re not supposed to see them due to overscan but your height and width have probably drifted. If you can’t adjust the flashing offscreen then it’s something else like a capacitor that discharges too quickly and dumps voltage at the start of the scan.
The sound during bright screens could be a number of things, your best hope is that it’s power leaking into your audio. If you unplug the audio, does it go away?

>>10862903
Maybe think about rescuing millions of already existing perfectly working tubes from a trip to landfill instead of fantasizing about making new ones.

The best way to connect your computer to a crt is with rgb

>>10861417
its a PVM-14M2E.
i was using a shitty HDMI to Comp converter which worked just fine after setting a custom resolution.
i swapped it out because the image quality wasnt the best, with heavy color banding. i was recommended the vga to comp converter in an earlier thread here

>>10861553
https://krikzz.com/our-products/cartridges/
theyve gotten a little more expensive since i bought mine but still not as bad as you make it out to be. $230 for the snes one is a tough pill though.

>>10862957
This PVM definitely doesn't support 480p, only 480i. Your HDMI to comp converter was downscaling the image and VGA one most likely doesn't so you need CRTemudriver to get the correct frequency.
Shoulda said it's a pvm in the previous thread, you don't even need a converter for that, just VGA to BNC cable and set CRTemudriver to output composite sync.

>>10862854
lmagine spewing nonsense without literally anything to back it up. Not even "it was revealed to me in a dream"

>>10862972
Yeah you should stop doing it.

>>10862971
you sure? it has 600 TVL and im confident i can tell 480i from 480p apart.
also for the vga to bnc cables, i did in fact look for them but was only able to find cables with split sync signals, so RGB+Hsync+Vsync but my TV only takes a combined sync.

>>10862995
TVL has nothing to do with it and I'm extremely sure this one is 480i only. RGBHV cable should work, when crtemu driver is set to output csync it should be on the hsync wire.

>>10863026
ok. ill order the cable, but in the mean time, i still cant get the crtemu driver to install. im running it with admin privileges and still wont work.

>>10862994
You're the one who can't answer a simple question lmao

>This item is a piece of trash. It has issues
>What are those issues?
>Uhhhh

>>10862995
Your confidence level is too high. This unit is 15kHz only, so 480p wouldn't ever work. Download a manual, they are easily available for this monitor

>>10863084
Put on your specs and scroll up.

Okay I need answers, how tf do I keep black levels at pure black, while staying at a Power Gamma of 2.2 or 2.4?

>>10859785
That's a slot mask you posted not a shadow mask(dot triad)
Btw why are the slots horizontal? Or did you just forget to strip the exif info?

Post them anyways

>>10861770
Modern technology is mostly a myth. People look at how much better computers have gotten, and incorrectly apply that to everything else.

Also, comparing the CRT Farnsworth made to a modern CRT is like comparing a mud hut to a skyscraper.

>>10862909
composite
it has been refurbished though it looks nice
>>10862754
can i get a source for an "active" s-video adapter? with composite?
the adapter worked ok for me but i would like to have something "better" if it supports 32x and other arcade cores

>>10863857
>Modern technology is mostly a myth.
How is it a myth?
Modern day LCDs, Plasma, OLED, MicroLED, QDEL etc. are an engineering miracle.

Yeah they don't beat CRTs on every way but just look at the shit that is possible nowadays. Fucking 80 inch TVs. 8K resolution. 480hz refresh rate etc.

>>10864317
What I mean by myth is there is no such abstract thing as "modern technology", there is specific technologies that have been optimized to the max, but our mastery of these specific technologies does not give us free mastery of other tech. Like lets say all the factories and documents and people relating to LCD tech were destroyed, we could not use "modern technology" to quickly redevelop the specific technology lost.

Is this worth picking up? Viewsonic Ultrabrite a90f. If so how difficult is it to connect to a modern pc and emulate on?

>>10864528
>Like lets say all the factories and documents and people relating to LCD tech were destroyed, we could not use "modern technology" to quickly redevelop the specific technology lost.
Uhhh, we know how to make LCDs.
Industry would be affected economically but not in know-how.

>>10858984
I have that exact same monitor. Wish it was bigger but it cost me only 20 bucks. Not gonna complain that much.

>>10864856
its easy to "connect"
but if you want less latency
you will have to tinker with the steps another anon in the archive mentioned
i use portta vga>hdmi adapter and it works "ok"
my vga display is a dell and it around 16inch
i would say go for it, clean it up with a alcohol wipe

>>10864209
>can i get a source for an "active" s-video adapter? with composite?
https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/crt/#official-mister-yc-s-video-composite

>>10864860
> we know how to make LCD
Whose we, you don't. The specific details of the process are propriatary secret knoledge. If that knolege was destroyed it would take years to redevelop. This is the case for most technology, the knoledge is held by few rather than by humanity as a whole.

>>10864967
>lost technology
You people need to stop
Nothing is lost, it’s just expensive and needs mass production to make it affordable, it’s just not going to happen

>>10865039
>Nothing is lost
Yes, because all the factories destroyed, the supply chains dismantled, all the skilled workers scattered to the far winds, all the specific procedures developed over decades forgotten. This does not count as lost to you?

>>10865056
No, everything is well documented

>>10865068
Some ancient documents in a crusty old filing cabinet is not the same as living technology.

>>10864960
>https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/crt/#official-mister-yc-s-video-composite


thanks anon i bookmarked it
on payday ill prob snag one
50$ is a bit rich for my blood
but i really want to play 32x kolibri without wearing out my actual tower of power

>>10865102
There's ones on retro castle and eBay for cheaper. They work the exact same.

>>10863026
ive managed to get the driver installed by now. apparently you need to disable secure boot, which i wasnt able to do due to the second GPU in my PC causing the monitor to not turn on while in BIOS.
but now its installed.
i dont have the vga to bnc cable yet, but shouldnt i still be able to use the vga to comp converter?
because im still not able to get a proper picture on the screen.
in the windows display settings, my resolution is locked to some 768p where before i could select from a wide range of resolutions.
and the AMD catalyst control center would let me make changes to the GPU before, but now it doesnt show anything for it.

i couldnt find anything on it, but i turned that test mode back off after installing the driver. i assumed thats fine to do, but should i leave it on? i saw something about being able to remove the little watermark regardless.

How difficult is it to find a brand new, unopened CRT still in the original packaging? Is it even possible these days?

>>10866360
It’s still possible but it’s pointless. A tv stored in a spare bedroom and never turned on is better than a tv that’s been sitting in a box in storage that is much more likely to be exposed to fluctuations in heat and humidity

Did Viewsonic P220Fs become really desirable, or is this just some ebay aberration?

>>10866385
I was gifted a CRT new in the box a couple of years ago and it was well worth it. Even though its a low-end trash 15 inch, it still looks incredible.

>>10866360
i have done this within the last 3-4 years
however the COMPONENTS still will need servicing just like any other used tv
kinda pointless other than for the novelty of opening one

>>10866406
Those things were like ~$120 when new. I had one and it was OK but it's not worth $680.

>>10845796
currently playing Mario RPG on this badass old Emerson I found collecting dust in my dad's garage.

>recent pickups
Local gaming store had earthbound and sunset riders, I'm currently waiting for Cybernator and Super Metroid to arrive in the mail. Debating Whether or not I should grab Pocky and Rocky right now, they're asking 150 for it

>bonus: if you squint you can just barely make out how ripped I am in the reflection of my TV

>>10866447

>>10866447
>>10866456
I love the way this one looks

Anyone know where I can find this? The manual has it listed as mx0842ab-f which is not looking good in terms of availability. There are plenty of mx0842’s, but there seems to be a difference

>>10867080
To prove it’s relevant

>>10858643
how big is the bigger tv? post a photo with your dog or something for scale, it looks huge.

>>10866446
It feels like every CRT monitor that isn't a total no-name paperweight model is shooting up in price.

>>10867080
Actually it’s looking like the mx0842 is the same, I just can’t tell if it has the same voltage rating. There’s 380V running through this thing

>>10859785
>if anyone's interested i can dump some comparison pictures.
please do so

>>10867082
p1110?

>>10858643
Take your cat to the vet if they aren't peeing in their litter box. They might be sick.

Hey fellaz
unga bunga brain here

please help me understand how these signals move better

I've got a saturn coming in 3 weeks from japan, and it's coming with the ol redwhiteyellow cables. From what I understand, scart is better than those, and I've got a an adapter for those kind of cables so that i can insert them into my scart-capable Trinitron

Does that mean i'm actually getting a poorer quality by using an adapter, than just buying a separate scart cable from somewhere like this website?

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/SEGA-SATURN-RGB-SCART-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-CABLE

thanks

>>10858719
>that setup
>the doggies
you're just asking for it at this point

>>10867524
ok if you are in europe jp21 cables arent gonna work with your EU setup
if you somehow are in the usa and have a scart tv a quality cable WILL make a difference, however it is potentially diminishing returns on a crt tube & you might not even notice a difference
(into a scaler/flatpanel then probably though)


its costly and expensive to procure cables for each individual system, esp if they are specialized "quality" cables

i use those brands you posted but maybe post a picture of the adapter you mentioned, is it just coverting scart to AV? some scart cables that are cheap dont even have rgb wired up and are literally just a composite cable with a scart connector on the end

try not to overthink it
a s-video saturn cable is all i use and it looks great

>>10866406
BiN prices are just tardposters
post yours for even more $ kek

>>10867269
Gdm5410

how do i figure out specific info about a tv model e.g. the manufacturer of the tube? is there some CRT wiki with autistic info?

I ask because I'm getting a Broksonic for free from work and I've read that many Broksonics have Orion tubes. Curious if this one does.

>>10867987
There’s a sticker on the tube inside, but it is almost guaranteed Orion. They made like 90% of every junk tv in the 2000s under a dozen brands

>>10867998
I was led to believe by google (which means reddit posts) that Orion was good quality. This is not the case?

>>10867810
whoa whoa back up
jp21 cables aren't gonna work? what do you mean?
as in, i'll get no signal? or am i gonna get weird flickering or something?

the JP saturn is coming with AV cables. I have a AV-to-RGB scart adapter from my wii for context. I can also purchase those specialized cables.
Does this detail help? Does s-video saturn cable just mean AV?

>>10868012
In terms of technology, Orion was basically the culmination of decades of circuit and crt design, but they were also a heavily cost-cutting company to produce as many TVs as cheaply as possible. They can produce a rock solid picture most of the time but the build quality is oftentimes abysmal, cheapest parts around and the smallest solder joints you’ll ever see etc. also, specs wise they only ever targeted “good enough” in things like dot pitch or color reproduction because their target audience were people who turned brightness to max and left the tv on 24/7 and don’t know the difference between composite or component

>>10867816
Certainly, but it appears some tard actually bought it

>>10867524
AV to SCART adapters are just pin converters, you get the same quality as just plugging into normal AV ports, you need a fully wired RGB SCART cable for proper quality. The one you linked looks fine.

>>10867810
Nobody is selling JP21 cables anywhere outside of Japan, why bring it up?

>>10868159
Plugging JP21 into SCART means you're sending 12v to a pin that isn't supposed to get it, potentially frying your shit. The cable you linked is SCART though, no idea why that guy brought up JP21 in the first place. All region Saturns have the same pinout on their AV out unlike SNES so if the cable is wired for SCART it will work the same on every region console. I'm using one with Japanese Saturn, works great.

S-video cable means s-video, better than composite but not as nice as RGB, needs another adapter to plug into SCART and your TV might not even support it.

>>10868783
Oh alright, so it’s safe for me to buy that dedicated cable then
Thank you for your time :)

finally took the plunge on a flashcart and started playing FF5. Love it so far.

>>10869792
>pvm
>godcast

I am so fucking jealous...

>>10869792
Wait until you get more jobs
It's one of the best FF games

>>10869792
>>10869795
I've never seen one irl but in screenshots PVM/IBVMs always look like emulator filters to me. Not hate, just saying.

>>10870735
You’d be wrong

>>10870735
Yeah, photos always exaggerate the scanlines. Here's a particularly egregious shot from an older camera. Like venetian blinds.

>>10870407
>godcast
wut?

>>10870471
Everyone says that, but I typically don't enjoy job systems in JRPGs so I've been hesitant to try it. Also the fact that I needed a flashcart to play it on real hardware. But I like the way it handles it so far. I also threw in some patches so I can always sprint and detect hidden passages and stuff without having to waste ability slots on it.

>>10871050
>wut?

I will beat your dirty ass to a pulp if you don't apologize and think about it harder.

>>10871050
>I needed a flashcart to play it on real hardware
Could've just cut out the plastic bits that don't allow you to put in a Japanese cartridge or, you know, get an actual SFC instead of that ugly purple piece of shit.

>>10871213
Try not getting triggered by literally anything someone else says or does.

>>10862356
Just use 384x216 at 60Hz and turn on the 16:9 mode on your TV, why wouldn't that be fine? If it doesn't have a 16:9 mode then you might be able to adjust the vertical size until it's no longer too tall. Actually getting the right image output from the game running on a modern PC at that resolution might not be the easiest thing.

>>10862754
>getting 15KHz out of PC is a pain and the video quality is ass
Getting 240p is quite easy and you should get pretty much flawless RGB signal (PCs and PC VGA adapters are designed for much higher resolution with much finer detail than old TVs). You should be able to get 240p out of a modern card by using a super-resolution, like 1920x240 or 2560x240. Shit like retroarch and emulators support resolutions like that explicitly for this very purpose and the image is excellent. 480i on the other hand is more difficult and modern stuff may refuse to work with interlaced signals, but apparently you can get certain older AMD / ATI graphics cards and install a special driver for them and they'll output whatever you wish.

This is all VGA though, converting it to whatever your TV supports is another matter. If it has RGB or SCART (since it contains RGB) inputs then that's not a problem either, if not you will need a transcoder to YPbPr, converter to S-video or composite and so on.

>>10871568
There's also ways to RGB mod a TV for VGA input.
See: https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/nqhyh0/new_mod_32fs13_vga_and_rgb/ this guy used resistors to manually combine H-V sync and it works.

>>10871131
lol no

>>10871604
Oh yeah, you certainly can. I've got SCART TVs so I just got a converter for that, I didn't need to mod the TVs.

My CRT goes bz bz bz bz fuzzy for 10 or so seconds occasionally when it turns on but it stops after its warmed up and it doesn't happen again. Is this caused by arcing from the high voltage?

>>10871213
>ugly purple piece of shit
The SNES is gray, you fucking retard.

>>10871829
Does it suddenly snap into focus or does it slowly go into focus?

>>10857429

After numerous cleaning sessions and a bit of digging, I managed to fix the alignment issue. It was the video flat cable going from the A-Board to the neck which was loosely connected. I've inspected the caps, none of them leaked or looked bulgy, but I still have some ghosting sadly

>>10872059
I love mini ones, hoping to find a 9" eventually
Running on a Pi there?

>>10872004
It starts good, always in focus but the picture will jitter infrequently during the first 10 minutes of it being on then stop altogether. Its hard to replicate but it only happens after its been off for a while.

>>10872067

Yeh, RetroPie on my old Pi 1 Model B. I'll be upgrading to pi 3 B+, hopefully it can handle Kodi playback and PSX / Dreamcast emulation

>>10872059
The ghosting is often times the cable. Have you tried plugging something else in? It could also mean the tube is weak so it’s being driven really hard

>>10872068
Capacitors or solder most likely, both can be weak while cold and get better after warming up. If it’s solder it might react to slapping the tv, so try slapping it a little next time and see if you can control it

>>10872079
This, but you should actually take the back case off and physically analyze the solder joints / caps to see if there's a problem. If all looks good but you're paranoid, buy multimeter to test continuity / in circuit esr tester

>>10872073

I've tried various sources, and the same signal on my Panasonic WV-1020 (left in pic) is way cleaner in that regard, so I'm assuming it's a problem with the monitor. It's also got burn-in of a logo at the top left (with the letter SBC), and some sort of interface element bottom right

>>10872079
Yeah ill slap it occasionally and itll help but I stopped knowing that it fixes itself occasionally. Molesting the case is usually a good tell if theres a loose connection somewhere right? Just some fuzzyness can't be narrowed down in a more specific way?

>>10872072
Any reason you're choosing the Pi3 in particular?
I was eyeing the Pi4 for the extra power, the jack can still output composite video too
I figure the extra power would help for PS1/N64

>>10872094

Got it on sale for 35 bucks, whilst the 4 was going for 90. The extra performance is nice but not worth triple the price for me, as video playback and NES / SNES emulation is gonna be my main use case. PSX and Dreamcast is more of a bonus, but from what I've gathered, it seems to work fine on pi3 for a lot of games.

and it's nice not having to waste more time on config just to get composite like you have to do on the Pi4

>>10858719
>The Fiance
Just say MY fiance like a normal person, redditor-kun.

What's causing such warping?

>>10872531
...video inputs look fine?
I'm guessing it's picking up radio waves...? what?

>>10872531
Microwave background radiation

>>10872563
Is that a Sony Wega by any chance?

>>10872630
Yes
KV-27FS120

>>10871843
Or piss yellow depending on how unlucky you are.

>>10872531
RF just does that. Happens on all my sets.

Just watched a DVD on a CRT for the first time in decades and I’m completely blown away by how much better it looks than anything on an LCD screen. Everything on there looks so pixelated and blurry whereas stuff on my CRT looks softer and sharper at the same time although I know that doesn’t make any sense. Just seems more crisp. Kind of crazy, really. Obviously blu-Ray and 4K discs have superior technology but it still doesn’t look the way a simple DVD does on my CRT.

>>10872654
Holy shit, it's the same model as mine! Nice, anon.
Aside from vidya, I highly recommend using it for DVDs as well. They look fucking fantastic on these things.

>>10869792

>>10872668
The Samsung and Magnavox I found recently didn't have the same quirk, so I got worried for a moment
The one from when I was a kid and the one from when I was a teen never did that either
>>10872674
I'm hoping it's in good condition overall when I can test it fully because I know Wega Trinitrons are supposed to be some of the best consumer grade sets
It was pristine internally...screen has no burn in
It has some light bowing on the top leftish however

>>10865949
>in the windows display settings, my resolution is locked to some 768p
You're not done yet, every crtemu guide should walks you through the whole thing, from installing the driver to creating custom modelines and switching to them.
>shouldnt i still be able to use the vga to comp converter?
You should, if something is set up wrong your picture would be all fucked up but still show on the screen. What's the converter?

>>10871568
>you should get pretty much flawless RGB signal
Does anyone here actually read the posts they try to reply to, I was talking about composite here!

>>10872696
what am I supposed to see here?

>>10873398
Fx pak pro

>>10873398
See this next.

Looking for something to set up in the basement or maybe my office to play nes and game cube on. Picrel is pretty cheap and local....owner claims that it's a 25". Do any of you guys use a WEGA or have any input on the flat crt vs the curved ones?

>>10873540
ok. Is there an issue with that?

>>10873595
It's not one of those 100hz ones right?

>>10873595
Flat ones can have bowing on the top/bottom because the yoke tape can wear over time...and the yoke can move out of place
You may have to fix the bowing by moving the yoke back into place and replacing the adhesive on the wedge or wedges

Be warned that the Sony flats are like 20% heavier than other CRTs
A 27 inch one of those is 99lbs

>>10873595
Just get it, it’s perfect for your needs. Number one recommendation to people looking to buy a crt is do not be nit picky until you have some experience with one. This one is a relatively newer crt that’s arguably the most reasonable size you can find, from one of the most reputable brands. For most people this should be their first and last purchase. If you use it for a while and find it breaks or you get curious about what other CRTs look like, then you can start nit picking.

>>10873610
I will upgrade my statement, Sony is the MOST reputable brand. Like it or not (and some people really seethe at the trinitron), Sony is CRTs

>>10873602
I don't have any serial number information and it's being sold by a 75+ year old woman, so I don't know.
>>10873603
>>10873610
Thanks guys...I was looking for something in the 14" range to just stick on my desk, but even here in the boonies people want like $100 for one of those. I feel like $10 and me carrying it out of her house should work.

>>10873132
im following the guide from the original creator and it seems the links are broken.
the couple plain links are actually images, so i have to type them out manually, but the first one i tried was dead.
on the section about VMM are a couple of underscored words, which i assume to be hyperlinks, but they arent, at least i cant click them.
and the wording of the guide makes it seem like they should be hyperlinks. i also couldnt find an alternative source for Video Mode Maker.
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=301

>>10873664
ignore this post. VMM is included in the driver package i downloaded.

>>10873629
Come to Chicago I will give you a 14” set I’m stockpiling

>>10873676
>Free TV
>But it's in Chicago
Wanna meet at Galloping Ghost instead?

>>10873692
lol just ask galloping ghost for one you know how many CRTs they go through? They breath tubes

>>10873629
Are you a slav?

Just moved to a new place - finally slapped together a rudimentary setup:

SFC hooked up via component (hd retrovision) to a Toshiba 27a41 with bose stereo speakers

Someone in another thread said you could get a usb rf transmitter to send your pc's video wirelessly through rf to your tv's channel 3. Is this possible and can't anyone help me find a good dongle? Would love to try this out.

>>10873806
I grew up in LaGrange...I spoke with one of the owners really early on and was impressed with his level of autistic obsession about old arcade cabinets. I don't think they'd just give me one though ;(
>>10873838
Nope, I'm white.

>>10873889
Slavs (me) are white.

>>10873889
Don’t let me catch you at Denicos now known as nonnas for a slice of pizza and a cannoli at 2:55am

>>10873854
Those bose speakers are amazing.
https://litter.catbox.moe/b5roy2.mp4

>>10874016
>https://litter.catbox.moe/b5roy2.mp4
Sounds like nothing special. Then again, audiocucks will think anything sounds good after 15+ years of listening to flatscreen speakers.

sega predicted the xbox back in sonic 2??

>>10874021
I'm an audiocuck then, but these thinga are very loud at only 30% of volume and the bass is nice in person. Also for $30 you can't beat them imo.

A guy is asking for around 100 eurobux for this. These don't come up often in my country and fomo is making me want to buy it.

>>10874308
hot tip: anything over €30 for a crt is a shit deal

My KV1380R CRT has some wonky built-in speakers, like the pitch of the bass is way out of whack. Any thoughts as to what could cause this? Not sure if it is worth trying to fix them or if I should just use some external speakers.

>>10874308
What do you mean by “these”? If you believe that monitor is of higher quality you are mistaken

>>10874332
They often have a tone control that changes the ratio of bass/treble, does that model have one?

>>10845796
Best Zelda design imo.

>>10874408
Perfect

>>10874353
Not that I can see on the outside, but I haven't looked too closely at the chassis PCB.

>>10873854
>>10874016
Name of the Bose speakers so I can get some for myself?

Quality Chinese craftsmanship

>>10874567
Spoiler that nsfw stuff man what the wark? O.o

>>10874563
Bose companion

>>10874567
Those are usually when their’s revisions in the middle of production so the pcbs are all printed and they tack on the changes by hand.

>>10874563
Bose Companion 2 Series II specifically. These also are magnetically shielded.

>>10874563
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bose-Companion-2-Multimedia-Computer-Speaker-System-2-speakers-per-pack-7-5-inches/49988350?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&&adid=2222222222749988350_154952751967_18606250692&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=665577512848&wl4=aud-430887228898:pla-943098869255&wl5=1013665&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=49988350&veh=sem&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlZixBhCoARIsAIC745DDkrG1UYlWtGS6rjSqQ53jtOM0FAelrwGAxjDK1UAgqCaHxoGsNWQaAiFQEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds


i just use these
>>10874713
didnt know this, will test at some point

>>10874408
>wii game
Not retro

Any good table I can order online to hold a 27” CRT? I don’t have a big enough car to actually pick something up. Pic related is the only thing I can see at the moment, although it’s quite the eyesore.

>>10874567
You do run into things like that from time to time, the question becomes if it is a factory mod as the other anon suggests, or a repairman's workaround.

>>10874821
What height are you wanting? They used to make little stands for TVs that look decent enough, often with a shelf or two under it for cable box, game consoles, VCR/DVD, etc. I've had one for 20 years and about a decade ago transferred my 29" NEC to it.

>>10874821
I have used and like these short bookshelves from home depot

>>10874821
Industrial tables work preddy good. I have a "lifetime" one I'm using to hold a 32" Trinitron rn

>>10874854
You wouldn’t happen to have a link to that one, would you?

>>10874903
https://www.homedepot.com/p/StyleWell-Waybury-31-in-Warm-Chestnut-Brown-Wood-2-Shelf-Bookcase-with-Open-Back-HS202006-32/316349901#overlay
There's usually a cheaper style but it's only available in the taller versions right now

>>10873854

>>10874825
Definitely factory
It's a 2005 Insignia, the same glue was on the degaussing coil I believe

>>10874804
It’s not a fucking wii game.

>>10875250
Hmm…

>>10874804
wii is more retro than gamecube

>>10875475
Eggsplain.

>>10874821
Wouldn't trust that table with a 20", personally.

>>10875435
Worst RE game in the franchise.

>>10874821
If you want nice looking TV furniture that can handle a little more, try searching for "corner TV stands". The results will be generally more stout (and more expensive) stands with a triangular shape that can hold more weight.

Really, just check measurements and weight limits; they should always be listed. We're all on the same internet; you can figure this out yourself.

>>10875550
no

>>10845796
Ew

Just found our old Samsung CXD2512 with the built in VCR, I think it's 25". Is this any good? If I can fetch a good price I think that'd be worth it otherwise I'll keep it around to play N64

>>10845827
>Rocket Knight Adventures
My negroid compatriot.

>>10876606
If you come there looking to fetch a good price we’re going to stone you to death

>>10876710
I don't even know if it falls under the same category of the types that people are looking for these days. I'm not interested in gouging for top dollar or anything. Just found it today and couldn't find much on a basic preliminary search

>>10876606
VCR units are generally meh, and samsung isn't the greatest brand. You could probably get 50$ bucks for it on facebook marketplace or craigslist.

>>10876606
/vr/ thinks anything over $30 is overpriced, even for a 32” Trinitron

>>10871568
>384x216
i know tvs accept a wide range of resolutions, but i don't know enough about sync timings to know whether 216 visible lines is possible, and if it is, how it's different from letterboxed 240. it might work, though.

>>10873854
what's inside an hd retrovision cable that converts rgb to ypbpr anyway?

>>10877048
that's because i got a 32" trinitron for free last year

>>10877609
pixie dust

>>10877609
A chip that converts the signal and a voltage regulator. There's 5V for the scart connector on one of the pins on the multi-out so it's powered by that.

>>10877625
People need to realize CRT is not a game cartridge, you can't stick it into a bag and mail it anywhere, so all the "it SHOULD cost x" arguments are pointless since this isn't a chatroom for a specific city. If you live in a city with 10+ million people and 10000 CRTs for sale then yeah, they all gonna cost from $10 to free because the owners want to get rid of them. Not so much when there's only one guy selling a CRT for 1000 square kilometers.

>>10875973
hateraid

In your opinion /vr/, what's your cutoff from where CRTs actually enhance how your retro game looks?

Personally I think GameCube, PS2 and Xbox look nice on CRT

>>10877987
Everything 15KHz
480p looks cool on CRT but more trouble than it's worth for me.

Anyone knows if degaussing coils in PVMs have some built in protection? If some retard pressed the degauss button three times in a row, trying to access service menu? Theoretically speaking

>>10877609
ypbpr is a brightness signal with combined sync signal, plus 2 lines which tell you what percentage of the brightness is blue and red, respectively. All the brightness left over must be green, then. So all that must be done is the red green blue and sync get added together to produce the y signal at correct voltage levels, and then use logical comparisons between y and red and y and blue to deduce the pb and pr

>>10878189
on old sets there is a thermistor which shuts off the coil as it gets hot, so degaussing would have a literal cooldown time while the thermistor drops its resistance. On a more sophisticated pvm I'd expect they have similar protections

>>10878279
Thanks anon, that makes sense. The monitor functions the same, so I didn't think anything was damaged, but I don't fully understand the degaussing process and in the manual they wrote, that at least 10 minutes should pass between degaussings

>>10877987
gen 6 + Wii

>>10878452
>+ Wii
I've had a dedicated retro setup for over a decade now, but I only just hooked my Wii up to it a few months ago. Playing Rhythm Heaven Fever on a CRT is godly. The fact that this game came out in 2011 when most people had already gone flatscreen is fucking tragic, because the input delay made the game nigh unplayable. I remember fiddling with the sync settings to try and get it to work on my gf's TV at the time, but it never felt as good or accurate as just hooking it to a CRT.

>>10878486
I didn't know you could play that game in 4:3

>>10878603
There are very little Wii games that can't be played in 4:3

>>10878625
Defnitely gonna try it out on mine then

>>10878625
New Super Mario Wii and Kirby's Epic yarn were the only two Wii games I owned that I remember being forced into letterbox on SD TVs. Makes sense for Mario, because with 4 players at once on a sidescroller, you need as much horizontal real estate as possible. Kirby, if I had to guess, was simply because the game was 2D and had a lot of cutesy yarn effects that framed the screen, like curtains and vines and flames and whatnot, and they would have had to completely reframe everything for the different aspect ratio and I guess they didn't care to.

>>10878486
>Air Rally
I loved that game, but always hated missing the last birdie, because then the cat would specifically call you out for how lame that was of you. Like, I already felt bad about it, man, cripes, lay off.

>>10845796
Anyone have a Sharps Linytron? There’s one near me for cheap that I’m debating picking up. It’s a little 13 incher.

>>10878812
Linytron doesn’t really mean anything, they labeled many different tvs with linytron. Most of them are old, around the 80s, so be aware of that. In general, though, I think sharp makes a high quality tv. Most any Japanese tv from that era will be pretty well engineered, even if some were a little bargain binnish

>>10878828
It’s model # is 13e-m40 if that helps, the manufacture year is 1993. It looks like it only has a coax connection on the back, so I’d have to get a converter of some kind to use it on a computer.

no bully pls

>>10878856
If you are hoping to emulate games on the computer I would highly recommend you find a tv with component, as getting the proper composite or rf signal is difficult. For movies it’s ok, as scaling and interlacing and lag are far less of an issue. If you get this tv you would have to play games on consoles or mister/raspberry pi emulation to get a decent image

>>10878881
Gotcha. Thanks for the the info!

>>10878880
Get a rug in there at least

>>10878880
>gaming setup is literally in the garage
>"no bully pls"
Yeah, seems like you get enough of that from your spouse.

my tv is blowing up chips, diagnosing these more complicated sets is an absolute mess

>>10878881
>For movies it’s ok
For movies the cheapo chinese converters are certainly not ok since they destroy the image quality way past watchable: there's dot crawl, the colors are crushed and the scaling is terrible. You can spend a couple hundred on some used extron scaler to get quality video, but those are also unusable for games.
The best low budget device for a composite/RF only TV is a Wii, both for games and videos.

>>10877950
>>10878272
i wonder which chips they use. has anyone opened one up to see?

>>10878856
You should get your hands on a Wii for cheap emulation
A computer is going to be an incredible pain in the ass to set up and those converters are shit at converting a digital signal to the analog one needed for the TV
A Raspberry Pi will let you emulate PS1, N64 and it should let you emulate Saturn because the Wii can't

I would also suggst keeping your eye out for composite connection at the minimum, RF is not amazing

If that all sounds annoying, I suggest just getting a computer monitor CRT
A cheap HDMI to VGA monitor adapter is a lot better and easier than getting your TV to hook to your computer