/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10413464
https://archive.org/details/shadow-warrior-mapping-kit

/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
BETA V2: https://files.catbox.moe/tc0rgk.wad

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
AD MORTEM FINAL CUT (v1.5.6)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3exnqm8nxg4gukhj10hcp?rlkey=r5nwzu32pfh2dtefpbjy2p49b
Ad Mortem Guns (DECORATE): https://files.catbox.moe/ihv4l4.zip

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/9941720

=== NEWS ===

[4-13] DBP65: Sanguine Holy Land is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3531

[4-12] RoTT Ludicrous Ed. v1.1 is out, includes map editor
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1421490/view/4204747292702032960

[4-11] Showtime!!!, Doom mod by the author of Angelic Aviary
https://cherubcorps.itch.io/showtime

[4-10] Roland SC-55 series emulator v0.2.0 released
https://github.com/nukeykt/Nuked-SC55/releases

[4-9] Pirate Doom 2 public beta released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/143805

[4-7] Zandronum v3.2 beta build: voice chat, ACS lump reading changes, bunch of other features
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=11166

[4-2] Rise of the Triangles RC2 released: supports deathmatch, GZDoom, Zandronum
https://doomshack.org/uploads/rottriangle_RC2.zip

[3-29] dhewm 3 v1.5.3 released
https://dhewm3.org

[3-27] Doomer7, a Killer7-themed mod is now in beta
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfaYvx6PDjy8aGdqSCls5qXj1sCmi2e8XsMmblrJ81POJgsOw/viewform

[3-22] Autistic gossip forum makes a .wad >>10794530

[3-20] /arena/ is back in a new home
>>>/vm/1214803

[3-19] Sewer Jam for Quake 2 Remastered is out!
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/quake-2-re-release-sewer-jam-volume-1

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [mm-dd] date bracket)

I hate myself for being a dipshit and somehow missing out on the High Noon Drifter and Strange Aeons combo. I fucking love those two mods and going through those was a fuckton of fun.

>>10849471
Do it then. It's a really good combo, just make sure you use the compatibility patch.

>>10849476
I am doing exactly that, just cleared out the first two chapters and am gonna do the rest after a good night's sleep. I miss SA's AK but this is still an absolute blast of a playthrough. HDN's increase in firepower and SA's enemies being way more lethal are like bread and butter. I'm really glad the comp patch exists because those two were unintentionally made for together.

>>10849459
I'm sorry Turok anon, missed your post by a hair's breadth

[4-12] TurokDooM, a GZDoom TC by anon sees a demo release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/144505

Submitted for your consideration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K80WDh99pDo

Continuing the conversation about Marathon's anniversary from last thread, one of my pie-in-the-sky hopes is that someone manages to dig up unused/developmental assets and release them online, much like how John Romero did for DOOM a few years back.

There were a couple enemies that had gotten cut (pic related) and there were WAY more BoB lines recorded then what ended up in the games, among other things. Having this stuff released online would be useful for mod makers.

>>10849552
>and there were WAY more BoB lines recorded then what ended up in the games
I bet if technical limitations weren't a concern at the time they'd fit those all in, they put a ridiculous amount of dialogue in the halo games.
https://youtu.be/BhMTUrBFm3o

>>10849608
And he'll fuck you with all of them at once.

>>10849608

>>10848853
>It makes the experience harder at times even, especially when you get into slaughtery encounters.
I have the same feeling about it, I think punching monsters is harder as well.
>I also find that it discourages you from actively moving around the level, when you can snipe enemies off from a distance.
Yes and sniping ennemies from above or below them where they can't retaliate is even worse.

I'm using freelook when the map was created with freelook in mind. I wish it was always mentioned however.

>>10849657
Slow the fuck down, Triceracocks, I only have two holes.

>>10849675
I use freelook to be a contrarian and think that the neckbrace autoaim bullshit is just plain awful.
>>10849608
kinky.
>>10849552
Those look badass.
>>10849532
This is some YTP shit and I love it.

>>10849675
>>10849719
I generally prefer freelook for first person shooters, and that's what I use in GzDoom, but I'm also completely at peace with Doom's horizontally fixed turning with vertical auto aim, and I can play that with ease. Picked up Doom 64 on PS4 and it felt entirely natural after adjusting the controls (and turning off the blur).

Can duke nukem atomic edition run the expansions? havent modded duke nukem in my life so i am unsure of the limitations

>>10849739
The old DOS .exe? Maybe, but you could just as well get just get Raze or something and drop in Duke and the expansions.

IMO, half of the Sunstorm expansions are good, as in Nuclear Winter is goddamn terrible, Duke It Out In D.C is anywhere between 50% to 80% good depending on who you ask, and Life's A Beach is an absolute gemstone.
The new episode in the 20th Anniversary Edition is kinda good, some of the maps are a bit meh, but a bunch of them are some of the best official maps for Duke ever made.

I am in disbelief that this is a thing.
https://youtu.be/AhoVC1ik2l4

>>10849719
>think that the neckbrace autoaim bullshit is just plain awful.
That's a valid reason.
>I use freelook to be a contrarian
It changes the gameplay a little but most of the time not radically. Jumping in comparison breaks more maps.
>Picked up Doom 64 on PS4
I guess the hardest part is playing an fps with a controller, it's surely very hard (even if Doom 64 was made for a console)?

>>10849770
Doom's gameplay translates very well to two analog sticks IMO.

>>10849750
i will check em out, many thanks anon!

>>10849768
what

>>10849750
what about duke Xtreme or penthouse?

>>10849789
I have a suggestion, how about combining prayers to God with the application of hot lead to demons? Then we're using our faith AND our brains, it's so smart that it can be nothing but God's will!

What version of blood to use? i have fresh supply as i heard the other one (one whole liter?) is not as reliable

>>10849860
Fresh Supply is one of the buggier ones. NotBlood is my favorite, GDX is fine.

>>10849864
>NotBlood is my favorite, GDX is fine.
Yeah i just tried those and the difference is like night and day, not sure which of those two ports to pick

>>10849789
>KILLING DEMONS ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FUN
Sounds like something satan would say. Looks like I'm doubling my kills today. Eat lead, hellspawn!

>>10849684
You forgot your pee hole.

>>10849808
Xtreme works with eduke. Playing it with vanilla is bit hard as it has Windows launcher.

Penthouse is just one map, so it should work with everything.

Everything works with eduke.

Does anyone know if they're gonna add more characters to BYOC? I know there's quite a lot of characters to begin with but I'm just curious.

>>10849675
>>10849719
>>10849730
Nothing really against lack of mouselook and autoaim.
The only time i really hated it was during the final Icon of Sin map of Zeppelin Armada. You're literally expected to shoot a rocket across the arena filled with non-stop spawning horde of high tier enemies where auotaim prioritizes literally anything but the Icon of Sin.

>>10849908
NotBlood lets you customize all sorts of stuff. Or you can just remain demo compatible

>>10849993
>autoaim
>Anything with arc like thrown grenades or whatever just flop on the ground infront of you instead of being flung towards the enemy

>>10849959
at the point its at it'll probably become more worth it to have add on wads than change the entire main thing, maybe adding on stuff that proves really good.

The only time I enjoyed autoaim without mouselook was Final Doomer's TNT Maser. Watching that thing instantly snap between enemies and melt them all is incredibly satisfying.

>>10850020
>Final Doomer
I'm currently playing through JPCP with it and if anything I'm finding it a little too OP. I love a good curbstomp as much as the next guy but sometimes this mod feels like cheating. I'm blitzing through fights that would normally have me struggling.

>>10849608
>Deep Dickem

>>10850025
Yeah, the weapons being entirely designed around a wad means you usually have a weapon meant to shut down an encounter you'd struggle with in vanilla. I don't terribly mind, because to be honest, I'm rather shit at video games; I can certainly use the help.

>>10849959
added in the beta builds
+doot
+spamton (fuck him)
+anton dynamite
+spy (from spy vs spy)
+S.P.O.T soldier
+cray
plus at least 6 more according to what a dev told me
>>10850015
not a fucking chance, every character comes with it's own custom HUD and SBARINFO is the only non-additive lump in ZDoom

>>10850082
It might be easier to just make a BYOC2 at this point.

>>10849684
where there's a will, there's a way

>>10850084
Or just your own mod entirely

>>10850089
That too.

>trying to do initial release of my Malice overhaul mod here before I setup a moddb page and whatnot
>mediafire and mega links get cucked by spam filter no matter I chop them up
Welp.

What other DBP wads in your opinion are worth playing besides Auger Zenith and Zeppelin Armada?
>inb4 all of them

>>10849523
Turokanon here, been thinking of replacing the weaker green T-Rex with this Allosaurus in a future build. The red boss Rex will remain as is.
On a side note: does anyone here know now to extract .car meshes from the older Carnivores games? There's a pterodactyl and some foliage models I want to get from those.

>>10849167
>1) That release isn't being done by Bungie themselves, although it is being done with their permission.
Yeah, much like any re-release.
>2) It doesn't make sense to wait almost a year for the Steam release of something that's been freely available for almost 20 years.
Similarly to aforementioned re-releases, this official Aleph One thing will make the game more accessible to average person. You can argue that there's nothing wrong with setting everything up, but that doesn't change the fact that many people are that lazy. It will lower an already low bar of entry, helping those bastards check out a fine game.

>>10850128
Amongst those i played(if we're ignoring Auger;Zenith and Zeppeling Armada)
>The Vast Silence was a bit of a mixed bag in terms of maps. Has a certain mood to it that i like though.
>Slime on Earth was pretty neat. Beautiful levels.
>Aquatic Wonder i just completed recently. Thought it was pretty great and i love the underwater theme

>>10850128
My favorite DBP wads are both 19 and 31, but I play those only when it's the holiday season

I recently started looking through that Compendium wad on Zandronum with a friend using BYOC. It's a nice collection so far, but there are a couple stinkers.

I have the server up on doomseeker, would anyone else wanna play through some maps?

>>10849456
>it took me over 25 years to realize that Duke Nukem's persona is a shout-out to the Last Action Hero film for the most part - all thanks to a random YT comment explaining every refference to it from DN2 in detail.

>>10850194
>>10850128
But for a peronal favorite anytime it's #27 (sadly no gameplay mods since It can break custom monsters as well as others), #50 with the use of the star wars aethetic and #58 since it reminded me of the lost civilization part1

>>10850103
Maybe replace the hyperlink adress periods with commas?
Use bit,ly just like Twitch thots do to shill their OnlyFans?

>>10849215
Dude that's the best news I've read today. Hell yes. I knew there was something fishy about the dragon behaviors, it's nice to have positive proof. I've been working on a mini Drake episode in private, I suppose I'll focus on geometry and move it to Keep/Mjolnir when the time comes. Keep at it mother fuckers.

>>10849768
This exists? What the fuck that's hilarious.

>>10850203
sure, i'm down

>>10850247
Nice. The server is "Go Big Mode" on Doomseeker, password is memes

Might I recommend today's special, Mancubus by Shitbag?

quake 2 is a better game than half-life

>>10850254
Not that anon, but I'm showing up.
>>10850256
I dream of an SMOD for Half-Life that adds as many enemies to Half-Life as Quake 2 has.

>>10850254
4/32

>>10850218
>But for a peronal favorite anytime it's #27 (sadly no gameplay mods since It can break custom monsters as well as others)
Including Nashgore?

>>10850256
I agree. I would have disagreed 20 years ago, but Quake 2 stood the test of time better.

>>10850154
I look forward to influx of negative Steam reviews from people complaining about the air physics, clamped view, being a "ripoff" of DOOM, or all of the above.

>>10850254
5/32

>>10849493
I really like SA. I've made a bunch of compatibility patches for different mods using that one. HND is still king, though.

>>10849813
That reminds me of the battle priest Pillowblaster was working on. The one with the rocket boots.

>>10850082
>+anton dynamite

As in from Antonblast? That sounds cool.

>>10850128
Cyb's Freaky Colonoscopy with Combined_Arms was pretty fun.

IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN MOTHERFUCKERS: SCREENSHOT SATUDAY!! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!

>>10850275
mainly weapons I don't know about that, you might want to test that

>>10850235
>Maybe replace the hyperlink adress periods with commas?
Tried a whole bunch of stuff, no luck. : /
>Use bit,ly just like Twitch thots do to shill their OnlyFans?
Nah, looks like I have to make an account for that.
I'll just post once I've got a moddb page up.

>>10850082
>no Depth Dwellers protag as the only char who can both jump and duck for max shits & giggles

>>10850305
You forgot "having to read".

>>10850347
Just tested it. Nothing appears to broken so i guess these types of mods are safe to use.
Goddamnit seaguls

>>10850334
Made a submission to 1024x1024 project, but it's not very good so it might not make it into the final cut.

>>10850334
I did it guyz! I made the topical meme gif.

>>10850398
I had a look through that and it looks like any mod that's just weapons and no enemies would work fine.

Man blood is filtering me hard, i think i am retarded

>>10850404
And anudda one

>>10850482
I'd Custard her Pocahontas if you catch the drift that I'm putting down.

>>10850254
Thanks for the fun, guys. My compliments to the titular Mancubus by Shitbag

>>10850542

>>10850015
That's known as doing a fucking Samsara and it's the most stupid thing that could be done.

>>10850562
Samsara was pretty focused which is why extra heroes was nonsensical, BYOC is a huge clusterfuck to begin with so I see no issues with adding more shit.

>>10850542
>experience shotgun melee
I don't want to play Doom 3 again

>>10850082
>spamton (fuck him)
LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE [Slime]

>>10850518

>>10850542
>blood feel fun
>doom ai cool
>>10850574
>I don't want to play Doom 3 again
I kind of want to

>>10850562
Nah. In BYOC it's fine because it was always a tonal clusterfuck from day one. Though everyone involved has been doing a mostly good job of keeping characters reasonably powerful.
When people starting stacking more shit on Samsara, it suffered because the people adding shit were complete fucking idiots and halfassed their efforts, and there seemed to be no communication or quality control at play.

What are the top tier Duke Nukem map packs and mods?

>>10850606
I understand the appeal of wanting your favorite hero in Samsara, and it's true the base roster was tightly balanced around one another and couldn't expand forever while maintaining that balance; but even then, I really feel like the modders making new classes could have tried harder than they did.

>>10850542
>Don't code
You're the boss, word cloud

>No. It's intentional that the tomes are instantly picked up. Doing so would destroy the gameplay loop because people would find a tome they like and then never switch. Constantly switching tomes and being in situations where you have no choice but to switch tomes is a huge part of mod.
Then how about giving each tome a limited resource that is used up every time you use altfire, and also a dedicated button to "purge" or use an ultimate attack based on how much tome resource is left, in order to pick up a different tome? (also Miser tome should be a default infinite-resource starting tome that gets replaced by whatever limited-resource tome you get)

>>10850623
I totally agree. Samsara didn't need anything else. If memory serves right, this all started when a bunch of idiots came together and effectively badgered Term to make them an extra Samsara class, then they just kinda ran with it and more idiots joined in and turned into a fucking abomination.

The biggest lesson I took away from it is: If some third party wants to make custom shit for your mod, firmly but politely tell them to fuck off.

>>10850636
Tell 'em to do it themselves. Addons can and more often than not end up good but if the only source are idea guys rather than someone who can actually get shit done you've got a recipe for disaster.

>>10850636
I don't even have a problem with mods for mods, the real problem was the endless bitching at the developer to make something they should have just done themselves.
Worst of all, when they finally got off their asses and did it themselves they basically hijacked the whole thing. People parade around acting like the addon characters are official, and that gives the whole project this perception of being a bloated mess. Forks should just be forks - the Samsara disaster is exactly how not to do any of this.

>>10850642
I'll add that this is still modding a pre-existing game, but mods of mods crosses a line somehow according to the other anon. It's all fanfiction at the end of the day if you ask me.

So, what's everybody been playing lately?

I've gone back to playing through Chainworm 1 with Hellkrieger, shit has some hefty guns in there.

>>10850469
Remember to duck.
And to jump.

>>10850671
Currently experiencing burnout with Doom 2 In City Only + Psychic, this playthrough is on hold for now.
Just started DBP 27 playthrough. Wanna try this new SHOWTIME!!! mod next.

>>10850690
What a nice looking muzzleflash.

>>10850690
>Currently experiencing burnout with Doom 2 In City Only
I honestly think they fucked the map order up, it ramps up and down in such a weird way.

>>10850671
I recently played Doom 2 in Shitty Only. It was something.

>>10850334
Reworked an early bridge encounter. Much more satisfied with the geometry and idea for the fight. Now to be satisfied with lighting and execution, then moving on to the base fucking proper already.

>>10850618
Metropolitan Mayhem, Duke Hard, Blast Radius, Duke Nukem Forever 2013

>>10850671
Finished UV Maxing Stardate 20x7. I'm not a crazy expert player but it's nice to finally finish up beating the entire wad after the mental torture Map 05 was.
I'm actually shocked I did four maps in six days. I did not think I'd have the mental fortitude or skill to actually pull it off, even if all of the maps I did, sans Grand Ballroom, are relatively straightforward.

>>10850671
Going through Eviternity 2. Was originally gonna use Pandora's Wrath since it has built in comp but I dropped it after episode 1 since it was too Doom Eternal in regards to ammo. I fucking love episode 2, the maps themselves are a lot of fun and I love the Mesoamerican aesthetic, but the secret map is hands down my favorite in the wad, between fighting your way up a dam and the rocket launcher focus which I have a massive weakness for.

>>10850734
More people should finish things they start, including beating games or custom levels too. I cannot imagine how many megawads go unreviewed in their totality because people lose interest after map06 or something.
>But vidya shouldn't feel like a job
I understand that, but I think it's bad for the soul to leave products you start unconsumed unless it's actually debilitating your health or lifestyle. Gomenasai for this tangent brought to you by Headon: Apply directly to the forhead.

>>10850714
anon, you can hide every single extra line in that clusterfuck of vectors

>>10850747
They don't bother me none but I appreciate it anon.

>>10850756
ok but it will allow other anons to appreciate what the fuck you are actually doing

>>10850775
If I remember I'll disable it next time anon thanks.

>>10850671
Monster Hunter Ltd Part 2. Just died to an archvile and I'm upset because I was deep into the level.
Remind me to never make these guys infight because they will immediately blast you.

>>10850334
I'm pretty much at the beta phase for my wad now. I posted it a few months ago, before it had a name. Finally finished up all of the maps and made some graphics to the best of my ability.
15 maps + 2 secrets, MBF21, primarily tested with Nugget but anything should be able to support it. Pistol, Plasma, and Chainsaw were modified. Some new enemies too.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/8bzeuq9qsxoclks/TERRORSIGNAL.wad

>>10850802
That was good, and tense. I think I liked the first one a bit better desu.

>>10850671
Playing through everything for Unreal 1 labelled Map Pack on UnrealArchive, in alphabetical order. Currently I'm up to Redeem Your Space.
So far the ones I'd say are worth playing are:
13 Mutants: Reasonably amateurish, but fun nonetheless. Nice use of MP bots as human enemies in the first map.
Dead Star: Well-made, but the author is not kidding when he says it's hard.
One Day in the Life Of...: OD6 is broken because the author forgot to put a PlayerStart in, but with a 10-second fix to add one it's a nice pack.
Redeem Your Space: I'm only partway through this because it's huge, but it's been good fun so far. Only issues I've spotted are janky English (pretty sure the author is some sort of Slav) and the Quad Shotgun is weirdly tiny because it doesn't scale for whatever reason.

Everything else I've played in the category is somewhere between meh and complete dogshit, or outright broken because the author forgot to include a critical file. Even including Triamid Ruins, which is very pretty but not actually that fun to play.
Common issues I'm noticing are ammo starvation beyond reasonable levels, fuck-all lighting so you have to use the Dispersion Pistol as a flashlight, and retreading the main game's campaign.

What's the best /vr/ Doom project? Which one is the worst?

>>10850985
Ad Mortem is probably the best for its overall mapping quality and amount of stuff it added, but my favorite is 2048 Units.

>>10850985
I consider DAKKA and Burl_Tumd as some of the best gameplay mods from /vr/

>>10850994
Dunno if Dakka really counts, ijon kind of quietly got everywhere where people were playing his stuff, it's just Dakka really caught on here way more than anywhere else.

What the fuck is this shit?

>>10850985
Top tier: Ad Mortem
Good: HFFM, 2048, 400
Mid: 512, Unrattled, 300
Bad: 100, 200
Vaporware: 94

>>10850671
Some cozy modded D3 for a bit.

>>10851046
Unrattled had basically no fanfare.

>>10851035
Anon's getting his first exposure to postmodern writing and his brain isn't taking it too well
>>10851051
Probably because we rapid-fired projects out during the same year, I imagine it got drowned out by 400 Minutes and Ad Mortem P2

>>10851058
512 Lines was that same year too, right? I still had fun making a Doom 1 map for a change, but it didn't have the same kind of turnout or enthusiasm behind it.
At least we got this cool logo.

>>10850334
Finally implemented this asshole lowguard as a functioning enemy. He just shoots and taunts the player.

>>10851058
Postmodern? Is that a code word for "complete nonsense"?

>>10851062
Yeah, we had 4 projects in 2022 and Unrattled was the last of them, I think people just got burnt out with /vr/ stuff at the time, both mappers and players.
>>10851069
From wikipedia:
>Postmodern literature is a form of literature that is characterized by the use of metafiction, unreliable narration, self-reflexivity, intertextuality, and which often thematizes both historical and political issues.
So kinda. It fucks with the reader on a meta level, though not all of it is surrealism for the sake of it, there's plenty of postmodern works that do have an underlying meaning amidst the chaos. That being said, I think Marathon leans more in the former camp.

>>10851076
I was already burnt out, which is why I didn't participate in 512 lines.

>>10851035
>he doesn't know
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

Lads, the random button on idgames brought me Jesus, what do?
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/j-l/jesus-x

>>10850671
I'm doing Immortal Warfare with HDest and then maybe again with Pvt Stone. And then I need something to try Genocide Device Echidna with that isn't going to break my toaster in half.

>>10851085
And imagine how people must have felt by the fourth consecutive project in a year, no wonder it had the lowest turnout.

>>10851116
>And then I need something to try Genocide Device Echidna with that isn't going to break my toaster in half.
I was thinking of something like Sapphire or Lunatic.

>>10851035
What do you mean? It's a metaphor for the Security Officer getting Durandal.

>>10850334
I saw a while ago that Adrian Carmack actually did a bunch of Doom textures on paper with colored pencils, and then scanned them in and edited them, so I'm giving that a shot with pastels and it has some promising results so far!

>>10851115
lol
>>10851286
God I love this, wonderful work

>>10850334
Found a doomworld thread about sector lighting so I've been toying with the doom64 lighting options in a few spots.
Also trying to make sure I use sector colours more often in general so the lights look less flat

>>10849459
[4-14] First version of MALICE REFINED is now available
https://www.moddb.com/mods/malice-refined

It's finally out, all two Malice fans out there. Yell at me if you find shit that's broken.
Spam filter pls don't cuck me again...

>RoTT Ludicrous Ed. v1.1 is out
Did they even read Ludicrous Suggestions?
So much stuff is missing that they could easily add

>>10851328
nice

>>10849523
Wtf Turok anon is alive?

Join the Night dive (Turok) and/or Turok Sanctum discord server.

>>10851141
>It's a metaphor for the Security Officer getting Durandal.

Literally how? The only possible connection to Durandal is the fact that his namesake was a sword, as the narrator likens the knife to. Nothing else in the garbled text the "dream" levels spews out at you made any sense.

>>10850128
from the recent ones I liked bouncing through dreamcatcher apparatus and immortal warfare

>>10851050
What mods?

>>10851050
Doom 3's nightmare doesn't seem very nightmarish because the soul cube is a full heal on killing an enemy.

Not only is Otex a good texture pack, it is the only one of significant value ever created for doom. This is because it’s the only pack with a professional quality, comprehensiveness and originality sufficient to furnish one or several games on its own. Unlike Otex, the vast majority of other packs are made of simple edits of existing textures. The reason people do this instead of making them from scratch is because it's easier, not because it reliably makes for a better product. Editing existing textures often leaves ugly artifacts from chopping them up, colorizing them or lazily converting them to the Doom palette. It also frequently creates situations where the theme or the construction of the textures are visibly irrelevant to doom. In extreme cases, this results in something like: A texture from Quake that's stylistically unlike all those in Doom, with palettizing artifacts, irreverently scaled to be taller than it was meant to be on a wall, when it was designed for a floor... or something like that. Many mappers actually enjoy the task of creating visually consistent and attractive maps despite these inconsistencies, and sometimes with great success, but this behavior was still majorly born from a lack of original textures. Those successes are more a testament to the skills of the mappers overcoming limitations than to the quality of the textures.
The impressiveness of Otex is frequently overlooked by people with little interest in the art of 8-bit textures and by those who haven’t really considered it in the perspective of other sets. This impression is unfortunately compounded by the tendency for unskilled mappers to use it as an ineffective compensation for their own low visual chops. To elaborate: Otex has 2624 textures and 1309 flats compared to 286 and 106 in Doom or 1157 and 405 in CC4-tex. (1/3)

>>10851531
I learned something tonight about Doom custom mapping. Thank you anon.

The majority of textures in Otex are also wide enough to fit multiple similarly themed textures from those examples within them, while being completely from scratch, better organized and more consciously constructed to accommodate the doom engine’s particular quirks. Things like orthogonality, divisions by powers of 2 map units, and flat/texture compatibility. The visual fidelity of those textures is another clear winning point, but it’s difficult to convey that in writing. Please consider again the attached images.
This should come as no surprise, Ola Björling has been working on Otex for decades. He’s been making Doom textures since his contributions to Mordeth in ‘97 or The Darkening and GothicDM in ‘98. He also naturally benefits from better image editing and digital photography technology compared to then. However, his works are not so modern in design that they were created using texture generating tools like Substance Designer. This gives them a distinct appearance with more pronounced shading and colors compared to the clean, slightly flat, monochromatic, modern looking textures like those in Makkon for Quake. This appearance is more suitable for the Doom engine specifically on account of its comparatively limited lighting capabilities. Effectively, baking more lighting detail into the textures that the engine can’t provide. This particular method of creation is ultimately liable to become a sort of lost artform as people move away from generic image editors to more dedicated tools for high quality texture work. Though I won’t say certainly one could never achieve the same effects with modern stuff.
The only remotely comparable doom texture resource would be from BTSX, but more so in terms of variety than quality. BTSX textures are numerous, but they don’t look as good as OTEX, especially beyond the techbase theme. Never mind how they’re currently unavailable for public use. (2/3)

>>10851537
Otex is such an anomaly that it seems almost like something that shouldn’t exist. It’s easy to imagine a world where a textures pack like this was attempted but never followed through with. The fact it was released 25 years after Doom is ridiculous. I wanted to say so because despite all that, people seem to take Otex for granted now. As an amateur texture artist, myself, I look up to Björling. For anyone who feels similarly I’d recommend reading his website. (3/3)
>>10851536
My pleasure. I wanted to try writing something again.
>>10851286
Keep going anon.

>>10851537
Hey Makkon's not that bad.

>>10851543
I like the Makkon texture wads a lot, but they wouldn't work well in Doom imo.

>>10851550
Oh that's how you meant it. I'd agree. Also you inspired me to check if Otex was available for Quake, turns out the man himself posted on Celephais that was converting Otex to Quake himself:
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61767
But the thread stops on November 11th, 2019. Do you know if he ever finished Otex for Quake?

>>10851554
Never mind I'm a detective.
https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=7197#p7197
It seemed too unreal that it didn't get done, but I was thrown off that the wad is NOT listed on quaddicted's wad page.
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/
That should be rectified asap. Definitely gonna use Otex for Quake.

>>10851561
Good find. Looking at them now, a few conversion look unpleasant, but maybe just because I've looked at the originals so much. If it was Ukiro himself who made the conversions he may have alleviated some palette issues by resourcing from the trucolor originals when they actually existed. Then also, that would be a lot of work. If your quake port supports truecolor maybe you could use pngs from the doom source, not sure.

>>10851541
I know Woody World required Otex and I found it to be a pretty memorable level set. I honestly just stumbled on it last week using random on idgames

>>10850992
>my favorite is 2048 Units
It wasn't even very long ago, really, but I get almost a sort of nostalgia with that project, it was so fun to put that together with you guys, first time I ever worked with other people on a Doom project.

It ain't a masterpiece or anything, but considering a whole bunch of us were noobs, I think we put together something pretty damn decent. I'm proud of what we did together.

>>10851286
That looks really damn good.
I believe some of them were also oil paints on canvas, as well as some being drawn with pencil. They really went all out with trying different artistic approaches to create the graphics.

Wonder if Adrian kept all the drawings and paintings he did?
Greg Punchatz kept the latex molds he made for the posable models, and I think that's really cool.

>>10851531
>it is the only one of significant value ever created for doom. This is because it’s the only pack with a professional quality, comprehensiveness and originality sufficient to furnish one or several games on its own.

>>10850671
Hellbound as Postal Dude from BYOC

I like crappy doom art because I want look of my maps to not be my fault.

>>10851605
Counter examples?

>>10851569
They look pretty damn good, in fact they're even more high fidelity than Quake textures so they clash. Dang. Wanting to mix and match.

>>10851035

>>10851521
It and the medical stations are your only means of recovering health on Nightmare, all other health pickups are removed. Your health also slowly drains back down to 25. The cube’s also a creative way to reward killing enemies with health recovery.

>>10851678
No I remember the other restrictions, in fact I seem to remember in retail it went all the way down to 5hp not 25. But like I said, on kill, full heal? Med stations and healthkits weren't guaranteed to full. It seems more like a healthy challenge than a nightmare, but I'm just splitting hairs. Quake's nightmare may as well be called turret mode.

>>10851494
I've been trying Immersive Armaments and some upscale textures.
>>10851679
>in fact I seem to remember in retail it went all the way down to 5hp not 25
Retail always had it at 25. The amount you get back is based on the health of the enemy, mine went up to 75 after that webm so it's not always back to full (before it starts ticking down).
Health stations are usually at 70% before you use them and the levels are flooded like crazy with health and ammo drops on vanilla.

>>10851716
Huh......maybe I was spending too much time on the doom 3 filefront and it's muddied my memories.

>>10851718
>Doom 3 filefront
It was a fun place to be, so good memories.

>>10851409
Durability
>Nothing else in the garbled text the "dream" levels spews out at you made any sense.
Well yeah, just like a real dream, it's an amalgam of your life experiences produced by your brain and sometimes you can pick out something cohesive in the sea of nonsense.

>>10851347
Holy shit, that's awesome. Malice is the best Quake TC from 90s and deserves some love.

Recommend me some wads. I like to combine weapon mods with map packs to create a quazi total conversion. No slaughter maps or shitposts.

My recommendations:
2002 A Doom Odyssey + Dehacked Attack/Defense
2022 A Doom Odyssey + Metadoom
2048 Unleashed + Siren (Mod Only)
Avactor + Final Doomer (Class: WHITEMARE)
Back To Saturn 1 + Treasure Tech
Back To Saturn 2 + DAKKA
Bungle in the jungle + Netronian Chaos
Community Chest 4 + Yokai Monsters + Naku Naru
Dimensions of the Boomed + Combined Arms Gaiden
Doom 1 the Way id Did - Lost Episodes + Combined Arms (Blastmaster) + Malefactors
D2 The Way ID did + Combined Arms (Artificer)
Doom 2 25 Years on Earth + Doom Delta
Doom 2: The Way We Remember It + Silent Hill Monsters + Typhon
Doom Zero + Final Doomer (Class: HELLBOUND)
Doomcore Trilogy + DoomRL Arsenal + Doom RL Monsters
Dreamcatcher Apparatus + Painslayer
Eviternity + Final Doomer (Class: EVILUTION)
Exo Moon (moonblood 2) + Legendoom modifier
Havok In Creation + Halo doom Evolved
Hellebarde + Project MSX
Into The Storm + Combined Arms (Past Linked) + Malefactors
Jap Community Proj + Final Doomer (Class: Japanese Community)
Knee Deep in Zdoom + Psychic
Kuchitsu + Corruption Cards + Final Doomer (Class: BACK TO SATURN X)
Lost Civilization + Insanity Requim
Luminous Gloom + Final Doomer (Class: ALIEN VENDETTA)
Lunatic + Trailblazer
Ozonia (Moonblood 3) + Legion of bones + Hell Crusher
Plutonia 2 + Gun Bonsai
Plutonia Revisited Community Project 2 + Final Doomer (Class: PLUTONIA)
Remain 3 + Project MSX
Scythe 2 + La Tailer Girl
Shatter Realm + Spawn Path To Damnation
The Doom Tribute Project Lite + Combined Arms (Tech Monk) + Malefactors
TNT: Revilution + Slayers Rampage

>>10851828
Plutonia: Revisited Community Project (or any Plutonia inspired megawad) + Immoral Conduct ZDSP
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=48036

>>10851828
>I like to combine weapon mods with map packs to create a quazi total conversion.
You have no idea how much I've needed something like this myself, I really gotta break my seemingly unending cycle of playing mappacks with DRLAX.
Someone should make one of those roulette type sites for this sort of thing.

>>10851828
Painslayer + Corruption Cards + DBP20
Highway Acelleroid Booster + Doom 2 In City Only
Dakka 0.6 + Solar Struggle

>>10851828
epic2 + high noon drifter
avactor + iron snail (guns only)
ashes afterglow sterilized + hideous destructor (+some addons for bonus points)
btsx1 + mars mercenary
btsx1 + sun damage omen
daedalus + final doomer (vendettaguy)
hellbound + trailblazer
sneed of doom + doom incarnate (+inventory keeper for bonus points)
oops all techbase + d64ifier + ashes weapons/monsters

>>10851738
So those terminals inherently have no real meaning and you can literally interpret them how you want. Got it.

>>10851828
It's been said before in this very thread, but Strange Aeons + High Noon Drifter + The Conversion wad.
It all goes together like peanut butter and chocolate, ending up feeling like some kind of Dark Tower fangame.

>>10851828
Wrath of Cronos + The Brotherhood of Ruin
Trailblazer + Going down
High Noon Drifer + Zeppelin Armada (clean ver)

>>10850671
Heretic, for the first time. It finally "clicked" with me.
E1 was fucking awesome (except M8), but E2 ice rink boogaloo made me drop this shit. It was like playing Sandy's D2 levels after his D1 levels, almost physically repulsive.
Picked it up after a break, finished E2 (still shit), but E3 got fun enough, and E4 is really damn nice so far, it got harder but in an enjoyable way.

>>10851905
If you're still down for Heretic after you're done with that, check out Elf Gets Pissed, it's probably the best Heretic wad out there by a significant amount.

>>10851905
Do you have a fav weapon/enemy? Especially with the tome.

>>10850618
Shaky Grounds, Alien Armageddon episodes

>>10852102
Everything feels really weird in Heretic. The damage RNG range is fucking batshit crazy. The ammo balance is all over the place, and random drops make it even more fucked. Tome turns most of the weapons into AoE weapons, yet 99% of the times you just want a high single target damage, and there's none.
Crossbow is nice in both modes, because it's exactly like that, a huge single target damage. Raven just copied SSG and called it a day, and it just werks.
Not sure which one is my favorite enemy either, mostly because they're used strangely, like 3/4 of the times it feels like you're just grinding through the wall of meat, like half the times you don't have any space to make the encounter interesting, and for some reason the game doesn't like to mix enemies, so you have bunch of bats here, bunch of golems over there, a dozen claws in this room, 5 disciples in that room.
Yet the game is still fun somehow.

>>10850128
The weeddude one is pretty good: Vrack Botanicals, DBP 45
>>10851347
Gonna try this and then Turok Doom
Hope it's okay that this will basically be my intro to Malice

I do like the DBP27 penultimate level.

>>10851880
Not quite literally anything, but yes, it is very open-ended.

>>10852156
>Hope it's okay that this will basically be my intro to Malice
It's definitely a bit different from the vanilla Malice experience, but should be smoother around the edges... any bugs I've introduced aside, since this is very much a public test release.
I'm working on a hotfix right now for an issue I just found with the first of the secret levels, but it's generally recommended to avoid them if you're not a fan of extremely obtuse level design. The game makes it obvious when you come across them.

Revisiting some Dump 3 maps, I forgot how fun a lot of these were.

>>10852187
Just sounds like the devs wrote a bunch of bullshit and tried to pass it off as having some deeper or hidden meaning in lieu of an actual story.

>>10852151
>you just want a high single target damage, and there's none.
There is the mace but it's kinda wonky to use.

>>10852279
In Marathon's case, there is a meaning, but not a very deep one, I think it's just trying to fuck with your head lol.

>have some fun with your writing in your game to fuck with players a little bit
>30 years later some guy thinks too deep about it and is upset he can't find meaning in it
jej

>>10852325
Don't make fun of him anon, you might turn him off from playing weirder stuff and having his mind get absolutely destroyed.

>>10852325
>have some fun with your writing in your game to fuck with players a little bit
>30 years later people still use it as a basis for their own writing in their mods

Don't know which is sadder, really.

>>10851738
marathon infinity is possibly one of the best depictions of dreaming in a video game

>>10849860
Depends on your needs and custom single player add-ons, not all of them are compatible with every single source port

Ok, it's time to try SHOWTIME!!!

>>10852403
I'd say Yume Nikki & 2kki and MyHouse.pk3 easily beat it out in that sense, but Infinity did come first so I'll give credit where it's due, it was definitely ahead of its time.

>>10851828
needs more army dick/10 recommendation list:(aka War Rooster).

>>10851893
>High Noon Drifer + Zeppelin Armada (clean ver)
Oh god this is good. Thanks, anon!
I also just remembered you can twirl the revolver with Q, which just makes a skillful demon takedown with it even cooler.

The cutscenes are fucking amazing too. Shame there aren't HND ones, but that would require someone actually taking the time to make them.

>>10852462
What map is that anyway?

>>10852547
It's a Funnelcake Apparitions.

>>10852497
>I also just remembered you can twirl the revolver with Q, which just makes a skillful demon takedown with it even cooler.
You can also throw your hat, which does 1 damage but with berserk it's able to kill the fuck out of stuff.
>>10852551
Oh fuck, I forgot about that, thanks. Maps having purple skies always makes me think it's some Ribbiks thing I've entirely missed.

Watching people defend Infinity's pretentious writing will never not be funny.

I want to start a project like Shadow of the Wool Ball - simple Wolf3D inspired levels using some sector effects and other stuff from the newer technologies. I like the simpler lever creation approach, even if it limits the wow factor of verticality.

What are some other cool Wolf3D wads for inspiration? How far have people taken the format?

>>10852462
>she turns to stone the more damage she takes
>same as one of the mobs from Angelic Aviary
Well we know what fetish that dude has.

>>10852618
do not forget all the guro shit

>>10852638
always funny seeing people in the doom community act really uptight about that like they don't love blasting human-shaped enemies into gory bits the rest of the time

>>10852695
Its some weird double standard.
Killing men is fine, but the moment you give the sprite tits you get a vocal group screaming bloody murder. Kinda weird, but that's how people are.

>>10852609
Rise of the Triad

>>10852618
Getting high as fuck and killing cute anime girls?

>>10852609
operation eisenfaust legacy is one of the most impressive wolf3d mods i've ever played, though it builds upon a lot of things that totenkopfSDL did first

>>10852695
At least it's not the time a known sexual harasser lost their shit about how inappropriate it was for some shitty companion mod to have a hidden blowjob mode.

>>10852737
In all fairness, Isabelle having even a hidden blowjob mode was kind of weird. I can't judge too hard because I have some stupid fetishes too, but it was meant to be some cute celebration of two opposite communities getting along, there shouldn't be sex involved.

>>10852707
I think the reasoning is about intent. If you can assume the person making it is doing so for sexual gratification it's akin to them publicly exposing themselves. Making you unwittingly part of their fetish.
Not that I wholly agree with that, just that I think it's the reasoning. One issue that bothered me personally was when people jumped down BoA devs about Elsa's death, which was a direct reference to a soft core Nazi exploitation film from the 70s. They didn't know what they were talking about and made the wrong assumption.
Though I do think the assumption is right *sometimes*, getting uppity about it makes you look like an ass.

>>10851645
BTSX's E1 textures alone are phenomenal and easily good for a serious commercial game (E2 is fantastic itself in that department), and looking back at The Darkening, much of that is original work which has a consistent visual theme fairly distinct from Doom's own, but which otherwise fits the original graphic style.

GothicDM owes a lot of its textures to Quake 1, just adapted for Doom's palette, and this works out well as it's by the same artists originally and made for the same scales.
NME Corp 1 & 2 isn't 100% as finely put together in all areas as OTex, GothicTX, or The Darkening, but it's a very good texture set which I think could be used for a good commercial game, and Cage is one of the people I think has a good shot at matching Björling.

OTex is a very high quality resource, and I jive with your passion for it to an extent, but I don't think it's the only one, and much of its quality is owed to Björling having made many quality resources before, such as those previously mentioned. This is a guy who was already one of THE premier texture dudes for Doom two decades ago.
I also think you're vastly exaggerating the imperfections of some texture sets with you bringing up palette conversions, I would argue that most of GothicTX does an extremely good job adapting textures from Quake, Heretic, and Hexen, to Doom's palette.

>>10852462
Anime vacation time, lol.
>>10852751
It was still the equivalent of the Hot Coffee thing, you had to know to give yourself the token and even that was only because that couldn't be hidden in the decorate.

I dunno though, it was a companion mod and who the fuck uses those?

>>10852348
Sounds like someone is a little huffy.

>>10852563
The hat also aggros enemies if they see it before you. And sometimes you can distract an aggro'd enemy with it.

>>10852773
Yeah it's really fun to throw it around a corner, bounding it off a wall and into a mob of stuff where they start infighting over a hat.

Term sure packed a lot of cool stuff into that mod.

any worthwhile doom WADs released recently? last time I checked Eviternity 2 just released

>>10852824
94 Protons of /vr/ came out recently

>>10852829
I'm gonna glass you.

>>10852824
Doom 2 in city only, Doom 2 in Shitty Only.

>>10852618

>>10852829
https://youtu.be/izQB2-Kmiic

>>10852824
Heard nice things about Vogel im Käfig.

>>10849459
Pvt Stone got an update.
https://skelegant.itch.io/pvt-stone/devlog/714208/update-to-version-8-damage-overhaul-new-hud

>>10851058
Where is this text from?

>>10851598
He apparently did keep all of his texture sketches, he was posting them on LinkedIn, and then Scott Miller promptly reposted them on Twitter. Here is the ever versatile STARGR1!

>>10852962
BROWN1 (which I am emulating)

>>10852609
Coffee Break

>>10852965
and the PIPE2 texture!

>>10852824
Pirate Doom 2, Crumpets 2

>>10851347
>>10852210
Hotfix now up. Hopefully there aren't any more embarrassing bugs that break vanilla maps...
https://www.moddb.com/mods/malice-refined/downloads/beta-1-hotfix-1

>>10852730
>usable mecha hitler suit
Okay, now I have to play this.

>>10851347
>>10852984
So it's kinda like The Wayfarer's Tome for Heretic? Neat.

>>10852695
>>10852707
Well as for story purposes there's a difference between blasting demons, zombies, aliens, cyborgs or just fictional adult soldiers in a war, because you are doing it for self defense or to save the earth, mankind or your country. You are the good guy, a hero. When you are blasting some little girl angels, you are not only killing children, but angel children. That's comically evil. But I don't see anyone having actual problem with Angelic Aviary or mods like that. People just take piss on stuff. If anything those mods are quite mainstream on Doom community.

>>10852950
Yume 2kki

>>10851286
Reminds me that I should continue working on the comfy textures.

>>10850082
>spamton (fuck him)
Oh hi null
Also there's 2 more I datamined, a ghost named bumpy, and this fella I forgot the name of

>>10852609
>What are some other cool Wolf3D wads for inspiration?
Aside from >>10852730, Unsung seems fairly interesting. Not sure how many limits it pushes though.

final doom on the ps1 co-op with two systems link cabled and both players using the ps1 mouse + two 32" CRTs i.e. The Way it Was Meant to be Played™

>funy skeleton shoots his homing missile at me
>run around a corner
>run around another corner
>run around another corner
>run around another corner
>turn around
>it's still following me
>run around a corner
>run through a pack of enemies
>run around a corner
>run around a corner
>turn around
>get hit by it
i know it's a literal skill issue but this is the single most annoying homing attack in any game i've ever played, i think.

So, completing Funnelcake Apparations didn't take very long. Pretty good WAD.
As for the SHOWTIME!!! mod it's pretty alright. Not sure what to feel about often being forced to use a suboptimal tome for the situation but the theme and weapons are fun.
My favourite weapon is probably the tri-colour rings alt-fire.

>>10853250
Nice.

>>10853257
Soooo, have you played Quake yet?

>>10853257
Dodge diagonally towards it, they have a limited turn radius.
>this is the single most annoying homing attack in any game i've ever played, i think
lol, lmao, pic related.

>>10853262
>>10853267
i have yet to try quake! maybe i should. i only got into doom like a year ago and i've been having fun picking my way through a bunch of different wads.

>>10853262
>>10853267
That was exactly my reaction playing Quake for the first time after Doom, like what the actual everloving fuck. Awesome enemy.

>>10849750
>Nuclear Winter
I actually like the idea and the unique levels but those asshole elves are very badly animated. At least they did give the monsters snowy makeovers.

>Duke it Out in DC
The concept was kinda good but the progression is a bit whack, the White House should've been the penultimate episode cmon.

Also no sprite makeovers for monsters? FBI lizardmen and secret service / MIB pig cops hell yeah! They also needed to have a little bit o' flavor in the form of those episode ending / beginning ''cutscenes''. Even Nuclear Winter got one!

>Duke in Caribbean
Sovl and comfy af.

What's the name of that HD-like mod but it's magic themed instead?

>>10853002
>So it's kinda like The Wayfarer's Tome for Heretic?
Malice? It's a full total conversion with its own campaign but you *can* play vanilla Quake maps with it if you want. The enemies and weapons are a bit of an awkward outside of techbase maps though.

Any mods with RPG elements out there? Stuff like Alien Armageddon, anything where you accumulate currencies or XP. It activates my autism like nothing else.

>>10853295
No, the mod for Malice, Refined.

>>10853294
Deathstrider?

>>10853303
I know Real Guns Advanced has a level up system that you use to power up the modern warfare-esque arsenal, but if you had the cawadooty weapons and the added monster repretoire it's a no go.

>>10853303
AMC TC for Duke is THE most autistic shit and probably perfect for you. You literally have bases running research for new weapons and shit.

>going back to using the regular chaingun after using the souped up kickass one in valiant
i miss it so much bros...

>>10853359
Babel filled that void and many others for me. The weapons are lovingly balanced.

Even if story is cringe and lore equals bore, having sovl comic panel ''cutscenes like in the Duke Nukem 3d episodes'' acts as a reward for the player and contextualizes the action nicely.

Also that fucking cutscene to one of the Duke eps cracks me up so hard

>you are shown the video where the aliens gangrape a woman
>general graves said it was obtained by one of their undercover operatives
>immediately invokes an image of an edf guy in an alien suit standing there with an old video camera in hand
lmfao

>>10852695
Nope, no double standard here, and it's not even about blasting demons vs cute angels/humans - it's about how guro is drawn and depicted - just look at this weird uncanny shit and you'll know what I mean. It's not supposed to look like actual gore, it's a weird mix of trying to make the sprites look sexy, suffering and also expose the guts, but not in a realistic messy way but uncanny clean looking dismembering way
I don't have another pic of this garbage game, but leg stumps left behind by some enemies are just happy tree friends level of gore realism. It's all done on purpose to satisfy the fetish of some sick fuck who frequents smurf torturing forums and gets his kicks by watching that anime girl laser machine gif

>>10853331
Sounds neat but I'm having a hard time finding the latest version. There's a ZDoom post of a guy asking about it from 2020 but he never got a reply.

>>10853341
Yeah, AMC sounds ideal. I was planning to wait for its next big update but it sounds like it's a long way off.

>>10853382
>that anime girl laser machine gif
OH NO BRO

>>10853382
Yeah that's eroguro.
I don't personally mind it at all and it can be a really beautiful expression of artistry if done right. If you're not into it personally then... good for you. I personally enjoy erotic peril / erotic violence and I feel like it is something that gave a lot of 1980s/ 1990s and older comics, cartoons,anime and videogames that certain [something], that spark of neuron activation that's missing in today's SBI-approved blandified media. Blood, Duke and Shadow Warrior also have this as an element. As such I really want to support this indie darling but oofers, I do not enjoy the environment graphics in this much at all.
I also find a lot of eroguro fans insufferable edgelords and or incels which is why I'm happier when people are not into it but oh well

>>10853312
That's the one, thank you.

>>10853359
Make a deh patch and load it with every wad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSHIBzafSwc

>>10853513
do not bully the caco

https://youtu.be/grxVbxAXB9g?si=MycAtgQKtXcqm6Tp
The fucking Lost Souls roflmao

I don't understand why do >PicRel even exists when both Statues make them completely redundant - thanks to their scripting-defined dormant-mode's invulnerabilty mostly, or am I not realizing something?

>>10853406
>>10853382
Requesting the loli laser-flayer machine as a secret puzzle boss in LTG

>>10853540
It’s a little trap that surprises you the first time you experience it
“Oh, those sword decorations came to life!”
and then it becomes “I’m going to have to deal with this in about 4 seconds” every other time it happens.

If some intrepid modder wants to make them slightly more interesting, pull an [/spoiler]Opposing Force and make the first one to attack the player jump into the player’s hands

>playing a doom wad
>suddenly a jumping section
>close doom and delete the wad

sorry mapper, but if I wanted to play a jumping level I would have played mario3

>>10853572
jumping section even though you can't jump in doom

>>10853572
I just idclip them.

>>10853540
I guess with the statues you never don't know if they'll actually wake up unless you know the map, while these you can always be sure are ready to fuck you up.

>>10853572
How about play Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3Arena, or HL1?

>>10853572
Honestly it feels like I need to play that one Italo Doom map where it is nothing but platforming since my skills at platforming is abysmal, and that level would be a good way of grinding my skill into decent shape.

>>10853581
This. Same with arch-jumps. Not my problem.

>>10853382
sounds to me like you're seeing what you want to see
are you criticizing citadel because its gore doesn't look realistic enough? who's supposed to be the fetishist here exactly?

>>10853257
>arena with 500 monsters
>circlestrafe around pillars and through the crowd
>keep ahead of a dozen fireballs gradually stacking up behind
>cut too close to a teammate and they kill him

>>10853257
Stay away from Quake if you can't handle the revenerds.

I hate these faggots and their spawn so much it's unreal.
That's all.

>>10853750
I like them because they do something very unique. They're enemies that make you think twice about holding down the fire button with rockets out.

>>10853750
There's a fine line with their usage and it's very hard to get right. Generally I feel as if they should never be half of the threat in a battle, they are entirely supplementary.

>>10852824
This one's an April Fools wad, but I enjoyed Sunder For People Who Don't Have the Time to Play Sunder and its bite-sized levels.

One anon had a multi-mirror level a few weeks ago. Does anyone have that onhand? I need that for testing some sprite angles. If not, I could always make one, but I thought I'd ask and save myself some work.

>>10851543
Now give me that for Quake 2 Remastered

>>10853258
>As for the SHOWTIME!!! mod it's pretty alright. Not sure what to feel about often being forced to use a suboptimal tome for the situation but the theme and weapons are fun.
The developer thinks it mixes the gameplay up and stops people from just sticking to whatever is the most OP tome.

I disagree, mostly, it feels like it could be handled better as a limited number of uses thing al la GMOTA subweapons or just something that makes you want to experiment.

>>10851347
Any Quake bros want to try deathmatch or coop on this sometime? I think the guy who was hosting stuff on vkQuake a while ago said Malice and Shrak were on the list of stuff to try.

>>10839853
Wait. I can play Doom on my 3DS? To what extent? Pure vanilla or at least most custom wads, excluding .pk3? Unless that is somehow possible too? Doesn't seem like it would be, but the more content the better. I'm content with vanilla and vanilla wads though.

>>10853042
Thank you.

>>10853257
Revenants might be my favorite monsters, I think they're really fun to fight.
>i know it's a literal skill issue
This should help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2DJHSErSdA

So I scraped together a patch that converts the Showtime tomes into inventory items you activate to use, it's probably not an elegant solution but it's better than trying to skirt around them.

https://files.catbox.moe/l7ltty.zip

>>10853042
Now what's THAT from?

>>10853764
Does it last though? I've stopped caring about their presence as far as doomping rockets at enemies go ages back. Like yeah, I risk self-murking but paying enough attention to those cocksuckers to avoid doing that has become a second nature for me. Damn rocket launcher is just too effective and worst case scenario I prioritize taking them out and then move on to the Katyusha LARP.

>>10853513
That's the chick from that fighting game who goes
>GANBATTEEEEEEE
right? Which game is that again?

>>10854108
BBBB-BAAAASED!

>>10851347
Should I skip over vanilla Malice in favor of this anon?
>>10853953
I'd be willing tomorrow. Work in the morning.

>>10854148
>Should I skip over vanilla Malice in favor of this anon?
It should be an overall much less janky experience than vanilla Malice, but you'll be a bit of a guinea pig since there's likely still issues to weed out.
The answer to your question also depends on how much you care about authenticity I suppose. While I've tried to keep gameplay changes respectful to the original, the differences are pretty noticeable. Of course, you can check the changelog under the first file to determine that, or just try both.

Shrak Refined?

>>10854190
I'm one of those guys who has never completed vanilla STALKER so I'm no stranger to that sort of thing, but I reckon I'll do vanilla Malice first whenever I get done with other things in my backlog. I appreciate the reply and the effort in your mod, anon.

>Ironwail Malice
>Use key doesn't work
>Can't exit minisub

>>10854265
How do you refine perfection?

>>10854289
If Malice Refined, verify that the key is set in the quake.rc file to the +usetoy alias. Also make sure you don't have an autoexec or PAK files from a previous Malice install that is overwriting it.

>>10853902
Q2R supports non-WAL textures, you can just use it.

>We asked 100 /vr/ anons "What makes you instantly like a wad?"

>>10854383
SECTOR
PUSSY

>>10854297
nu idverse is not canon because it doesn't feature Shrak

>>10854383
BFG. Nothing feels better nabbing one Archvile with the ball and killing another with the spray.

>>10854383
DoomCute

>>10854383
a non-tedious amount of monsters

>>10854383
When it's a megawad that doesn't resort to slaughterslop to make things interesting

>>10854383
When others call it a slaughterwad when really that word is code for "skill issue"

>>10854383
creepy atmosphere

>>10854408
B A S E D

>>10854383
Easter Eggs

>playing game
>Far far too easy on 'normal'
>far far too hard on 'hard'

>>10854423
Literally me on the bottom left.

>>10854383
Big, huge, gargantuan architecture. Instant coomage if it's ominous-looking. Monster count completely irrelevant; everything will die.

>>10854412
>>10854435
based lainos enjoyers

>>10854383
Music that isn't fucking D_RUNNIN

>>10854383
High quality sector toilets.

>>10854447
Never actually played any of his maps, but now I know where to get my fix. Thank you, anon.

>>10854383
Full exploration. If a map I'm in has a building or location with lots of halls with lots of doors, I expect to be able to go through all those doors and explore all those rooms for goodies

>>10854383
varied lighting.
any map that isn't fullbright makes me lock the fuck in right away.

>>10854395
you like balls, anon, we got it

>>10854517
On the question of balls, what the fuck is this?

>>10854543
Wait, there is more. Is he having a fucking hard-on?

>>10854548
don't you get a hard-on when you burn heretics, anon?
deus vult!

>>10854548
what you've circled is that, it's the the inside of the hip. they are not built like humans. it's lower on your pic because it's walking and tilting

>>10854548
HOLY SHIT

>>10854561
>>10854548
see picrel
>>10854564
that's his finger

>>10854383
Rocket launcher bias, if not focus.

>>10854579
based.
most neglected weapon ever

>>10854383
Lived-in techbase feel, enough detail for the environment it's attempting to present, early levels having a lot of zombiemen, sergeants and imps for light slaughter etc. Soulful secrets, pin-up posters, sector toilets.

>>10854607
Any personal recs for that? Sounds right up my alley

>>10854383
Anything NSFW

>>10850128
+1 for Aquatic Wonder
Play DBP64 if you like Doom 64 themed stuff (I do)
I remember enjoying Dead but Dreaming, Luminous Gloom and Tempest Enterprise too

>>10854383
Unmarked secrets

>>10854383
Levels look pretty and actually resemble a place of sorts, Duke Nukem 3D style.

BTW, someone in a previous thread also suggested to combine DBP 58 with Call of Doom: Black Warfare weaponset. Didn't expect to enjoy it this much.

What program(s) do I need to go through WRATH: Aeon of Ruin game files & saves?

>>10854845
It's just Darkplaces, any modern Quake editing tools should handle it just fine.

>>10853632
>are you criticizing citadel because its gore doesn't look realistic enough?
Nope, read my reply again

>>10853750
>I hate these faggots and their spawn so much it's unreal.
Nope, that's Doom 2 bro

>>10854873
I'm glad someone made this joke, because I was going too earlier and forgot.

>>10854579
>>10854586
You're gonna like the map I'm making right now, first part of it is tyson since you have access only to berserk and chainsaw and there's either a lot of weak monsters or few strong ones, then the only other weapon you get is a rocket launcher and more than enough rockets to blast all that awaits you

>>10854383
Atmosphere and a lot of exploration with secrets.

>>10854383
Gimmick maps
Like pretty much all of Going Down, though my favorite recent one was the rocket launcher start map and the last secret with the map swapping map of Eviternity 2

>>10854383
Wormhole

I had a dream last night where I thought I saw SNS had come back but it turned out it was actually the announcement post for dead.wire 3 and now that I'm awake it turns out it was neither.
>>10854130
Uptight deathmatch, one of the secret levels

>>10854921
>tfw SNS never ever again

>>10850690
Lost Civ (again) with Bullet Eye.

>>10853632
>who's supposed to be the fetishist here exactly?
That’s the hotwater you end up in when wanting to discuss this. I’ll only say I’m glad he put in the effort to make it. It’s much better than someone making posts here or elsewhwre about how much they wish someone else could make a teary, gory anime shooter.

>>10854871
Oh what's that, you don't like thing? Well, what if you actually DO LIKE THING? Didn't see that one coming, did you dweebo? Bet you feel real stupid now, huh?

>>10852769
lol nice

>>10853382
erogurofag here, its pretty tame for eroguro, the dev has made much worse on his twitter. It kinda feels like he wanted to add gibs but his eroguro just seeps in a bit. If he just commited I think people would have less problems with it.

>>10854826
Just completed the DBP 58 with Call of Duty mod.
This was a kino experience i must say, maps 08 and 09 especially.

>>10854108
Further fixed up my Showtime portable tomes patch so the tome drops drop the ammo you get from normally picking up a tome.

https://files.catbox.moe/fkrejh.zip

>>10855062
He kinda-sorta did commit... not to eroguro, but to one of his other fetishes.

>>10855136
It was funny as fuck when I looked into the ACS for why Showtime forces tome loss on map change even without pistol starts and there's stuff for dealing with a "sexy stone curse" token.

Can anyone suggest a gameplay mod to try with UAC Ultra?

>>10854383
gameplay that isn't shotgun focused

>>10855136
>>10855164
Oh I was referring to the citadel, my bad. Not surprised the showtime guy commited on his petrification fetish

>>10855224
Yeah, I love Quake too.

>>10855315
Shotguns are the workhorses in both games.

>>10855315
The shotguns in Quake are invaluable when you learn what they're best for. The Super is good for playing up close Peekaboo with Shamblers at pillars or corners, and it's good for fighting Fiends.
With Quad Damage, you also get one hell of a multiplier, you can tear down multiple weaker monsters in a row.

>>10855379
>>10855495
True, but in Quake you actually use other weapons as well, almost on every single level, no matter original or fan-made.

>>10855503
>but in Quake you actually use other weapons as well
I’m using other weapons in Doom as well. You’re making weird fucking claims.

>>10855519
It's always weird to see people who only really use the SSG and the BFG.

>>10855519
Of course I'm exaggerating, just saying that SSG is a bigger workhorse in Doom than any weapon in Quake.

Anyone have recommendations for WADs that feel like the bonus Wolf levels in Doom II? Was enjoying some simple 2D labyrinthine levels.

Also is there a monster pack that forgoes theme/consistency for sheer numbers of monsters? Like something that combines Hexen, Heretic, and Doom monsters? Or is there a engine limitation that I'm unaware of?

>>10855541
They’re both humbled by the explosive weapons in their respective games. Doom’s SSG deals roughly as much as a rocket but has roughly half the firing speed of the launcher.
Quake’s fires almost as fast as the grenade launcher but deals roughly half the damage of an explosive hit.
As always, Quake shotgun firerates play weird tricks on perception.

>>10855562
There's plenty of Wolf3D/SOD style mapsets or remakes for Doom, also stuff like Shadow of the Wool Ball.

>Or is there a engine limitation that I'm unaware of?
Not really, you could probably run every monster wad you like but you'd have to write an overall randomspawner setup to amalgamate all of the mods spawns so it actually works.

>Anyone have recommendations for WADs that feel like the bonus Wolf levels in Doom II?
Brutal Wolfenstein 7.0 would be perfect. It re-imagines all of Wolf 3D/Spear of Destiny's levels in the GZDoom engine and does it immaculately while adding a litany of gameplay improvements.

>>10855579
forgot reply >>10855562

>>10854383
cacocloud

>>10855573
>There's plenty of Wolf3D/SOD style mapsets or remakes for Doom, also stuff like Shadow of the Wool Ball.
Any that you'd personally recommend?

>Not really, you could probably run every monster wad you like but you'd have to write an overall randomspawner setup to amalgamate all of the mods spawns so it actually works.
Ok so if felt ambitious I could code together something that fixed texture paths and make a jumbo pack myself and nothing would really stop me?

>>10855579
I'll check that out for sure, though I should mention I'm running already running a pretty bloated DoomRPG modlist, so was sort of looking for just mapsets. Still I like collecting various mods/wads for differing moods so thanks anon.

>>10855602
>Any that you'd personally recommend?
I think one was called Wolf3DTC but I've not really fucked with that stuff for ages.
>Ok so if felt ambitious I could code together something that fixed texture paths and make a jumbo pack myself and nothing would really stop me?
Pretty much yeah, people do that shit all the time, bashing mods together into huge abominations that sort of work, so anything less isn't the worst thing ever.

>>10855562
I enjoyed this short Wolf3D-themed mappack by Pcorf and his brother.

>>10855627
I forgor link : https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/p-r/pc_wolf

are there any ACS nerds out here? i need help and have no fucking idea what's going on zandronum 3.2, acc 1.60

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2709070/Voidwalker/
No one ever told me about it. Runs on Quake 1 engine so I guess it's on-topic. Made by the same guys who did BlooM and QDoom. Looks really cool even though I'm not a big fan of this aggressively pixelized stylized graphics.

>>10855719
>Made by the same guys who did BlooM
Probably for that alone, they went apeshit over it not being appreciated enough and cut themselves off from the community so nobody would really be paying that much attention.

>>10855739
I don't know what there was to appreciate, bloom was insanely derivative. It's cool they're moving on to something more original though.

>>10855719
>Quake 1 engine
If Wrath is anything to go by, this will be out by 2030 at the earliest.

gave Showtime a try. I don't like that tomes replace what you have

Also while we're at it, there's also Shraud, made by "Ex 3DRealms/Slipgate" guy. The visuals are quite similar to Quake 1, but if I understand correctly it's Unity

>>10855786
Some of the mapping was cool but yeah, they did a Sonichu and wanted to be congratulated for it.
>>10855830
see >>10855129