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His intentions for living in the fortress isn't "rule over Hyrule", it's to have a base of operations while he searches for Link and Zelda to claim their Triforces so he can enter the Sacred Realm.

In The Wind Waker, Ganondorf's character is given greater depth; a timeline was established, and Ganon is given a clearer background and motive for his villainy. It is made clear that his desire to conquer Hyrule stems from the arduous life he and his people are subjected to living in the harsh Gerudo Desert, a wasteland plagued by sandstorms and an unstable climate, which he compares to the verdant landscape of Hyrule Field, and the amenable life lived by the Hylians.

his goal is to be the world's best organ player

but in the wind waker, doesn't ganon just rule the hyrule under the sea? if i remember correctly

I've always wondered about the functions behind the "temples"

Like, why did the Zora build the Water Temple? Why is it in Lake Hylia and not in their Domain?

>>1076192
Aren't the temples just meant to be like holy places for everyone to worship the goddesses built ages ago?

Ganon isn't human. Why would he want to reign over humans?
Maybe he just wants to create a paradise for monsters
where all the horrors that inhabit hyrule can live in peace and harmony
instead of being butchered by some skirt-wearing elf boy.

>>1076208
the geudo are human tho

>>1076192
I always assumed the temples were there to protect holy/powerful artifacts like the bow, gauntlets, etc.

>>1076170
Then why did he turn Hyrule to shit in Ocarina of Time?

Miyamoto buckled and the timeline was only shoehorned in to appease the fans.

The Zelda series is the retelling of the same legend but from the point of view of different cultures in different times.

>>1076282
I can't say for how later games explained it, but in OoT it was all about having his minions turning the land upside down and inside out just to find Zelda.

>>1076192
I thought they were... you know, temples.

In sacred places.

The real question is why do the dungeons in LoZ have pieces of the triforce in them, and why did Ganon send his own minions to protect it, rather than... you know, getting it himself?

I realize that the triforce hadn't evolved to the plot point it is now, but some retconning to explain it would be nice for consistency. Like, as >>1076165 said Ganondorf's goal was to gain all three parts of the triforce so that he could enter the sacred realm. Well, in LoZ he has Zelda, he has his part of the triforce... and then he has his men protecting the last piece, rather than taking it for himself and accomplishing his goal.

>>1076173
Lol.

>>1076282
He probably went from a jealous man to a fucking pig-demon when he got the triforce.

>>1076301
The pig-demon (in LttP at least) is explained by the Sacred Realm transforming you into what your heart reflects (Link as a cowardly rabbit for instance).

>>1076196

>Alright kids, it's Sunday morning. Let's all put on our scuba gear/flameproof suits/go into that forest that turns anyone who enters it into a horrible monster/go to that horrific torture chamber/cross the gerudo desert and warp time itself and go to mass.

>>1076316
I think shadow temple was meant to be a place to lock bongo bongo. Or maybe that was the well? I do not remember.

>>1076157
i don't think we're supposed to think of hyrule as empty- it was probably just limited on the n64
>>1076290
i think the forest temple may have been once, but the water temple? it seems more like a maze rather than a place for ceremonies

>>1076317
Under the well was a war prison where people were tortured during the war. Bongo Bongo was supposed to be an incarnation of the resentfulness of the tortured. It was sealed in the well along with the rest of the atrocities of the war committed by the Sheikah until Link accidentally broke the seal and it fled to the shadow temple presumably to seek some sort of atonement or release.

bump

>>1076192

There is actually quite a lot of speclation about what each temple is. I think that's so impressive about OoT is that all of the temples come across as very unique structures (not just series of rooms). Here are interesting theories I've seen:

Forest Temple: A castle. Not even really a theory, you can tell by going into the courtyard and looking at the walls. I think it's cool how this is like a castle/fortress
Water Temple: A Zora city. I think this is really cool and makes a lot of sense. It's sort of constructed like a city if you think about it, with the different rooms and floors. As Zoras they have a very easy time swimming.
Shadow: A mausoleum

Don't know about Fire and Spirit as much. Fire just comes across to me as a more typical place of worship; it really does feel like a "temple"" in the traditional sense.

Of course this is very basic, there's way more in-depth stuff.

>>1076317
Yes, Under the Well was a place for torture and that is where Bongo Bongo was sealed. The Shadow Temple I think was also for torture but was hidden from the king as a mausoleum.

>>1076334
The Forest Temple looks like it was a castle stronghold at one point. Maybe surviving soldiers were there for so long, lost if you will, that they are the ones that turned in to the Stalfos you fight.

Wasn't the Water Temple stated in-game that it was a place of worship which was corrupted by Morpha?

The Fire Temple was always a prison.

Spirit Temple is Twinrova's home and Ganondorf's original base of operations, if I recall correctly.


If anyone wants a read on theories of what the temples were, among a few others, you might want to check here.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/197771-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time/40542098

I know it is gamefaqs but I still found them to be interesting and enjoyable to read.

so he can masturbate wherever he wants because nobody's around?

>>1076495
a castle for whom? it's not exactly kokiri size

>>1076192
There's a tunnel connecting their domain to lake hylia, i would think there's not enough room in their domain

>>1076606
i love the zora and it sucks they weren't in wind waker (properly)

>>1076282
Because, while he wished to have Hyrule to himself, the power of the Triforce reflected the corruption in his heart onto Hyrule.

Also, you can't keep a country looking pretty when you tear it 12 new assholes trying to kill the Sages who can stop you AND find the other two Triforce bearers.

>>1076286
The problem with this theory is that Ganon and the Triforce don't even appear in the GBC games.

>>1076170
Wind Waker makes no sense.
Ganondorf wanted to enter the sacred realm.

>>1076596
For those who get lost in the forest.

>>1076790

He wanted to enter the sacred realm in OoT because that's where the triforce was. After OoT, the triforce was no longer in the sacred realm, so he had no reason to want to go there again.

What are Dracula's intentions in the Castlevania games? To go out at night and suck people's blood in order to sustain his undead self? No, he'd rather sit on his throne at the very top of his city-sized castle, waiting indefinitely for Simon Belmont or Soma Cruz or whoever the fuck wants to take him down to show up, so he can finally get out of his chair and do battle, knowing that his strongest form is not his own, but some sort of demon/five-skull dripping beast/behemoth that looks nothing like his actual self. It's a video game, kid--the logic is somewhat limited.

>>1076290
In Legend of Zelda, those 8 pieces are the Triforce of Wisdom. Zelda was the one that scattered them throughout Hyrule. How and why she put them in dungeons? I have no idea.

>>1076767
>Ganon and the triforce don't even appear in the GBC games.

Yes they do. Link that shit up, my friend.

>>1076157
>Zelda developers in charge of plot
Top lel

>>1076157
He wanted to be the ultimate NEET.

>>1076890
She stealthed in as Saria

>>1076917
This. If there's internet at his base, he's on 4chan

ocarina is still so amazing, after all these years. so brilliant

ganondorf trying to get into the sacred realm is so good - i love that hes not one of the low tier villains who just are after an abstract

The very last screen of the game - Young Link in Zelda's courtyard - what is that supposed to signify? Is Link about to tell Zelda about Ganondorf, so they can warn the king before he destroys Hyrule?

But at the point, hadn't Ganondorf already entered the Sacred Realm and gotten the Triforce? Time travel always confuses me.

>>1077220
>Zelda goes Nostradamus and predicts Ganondorf to do evil shit
>Zelda lets Link into her courtyard without calling the guards
>All of OoT happens
>Zelda sends Link back in time
>Zelda probably has similar dreams where she sees that the "green light from the forest" or whatever she saw him as has saved the world
>Zelda lets link into her courtyard again without calling Impa/guards

>>1076596
Hyrulian outpost to protect the Kokiri Forest as a source of lumber, and for diplomatic relations and obligations to the Kokiri.

Regarding Zelda, why hasn't Ganondorf given her the dick?

>>1078056
Matter of fact, he might have but since it's a game we will never know for sure.

>>1077234
whoa

>>1076181
Nope. But he wants to.

>>1076316
Well, we can assume the temples were meant for their respective races. Zoras, Gorons and Kokiri have no problem reaching their temples, and I guess the Spirit Temple is more accessible when it's not filled with monsters (or maybe it's just meant for flying Gerudo like Twinrova).

>>1078326
i think the only plausible one would be zora. but there's only like 1 zora in lake hylia lol

I don't see how the Forest Temple is for the Kokiri. You figure they would be too small to really get around or climb up the ledges.

I think it's more likely it was a Hylian castle/stronghold.

So this thread got me thinking. I was thinking about the Water Temple.

"Zora city" does seem fairly accurate. It is shaped like a city, plus as agile swimmers Zora could really get around. But what about the water level? I don't think it was lowered that much. It seems like it's more of a defense mechanism, in case intruders got in.

You need Zelda's Lullaby to change the Water Level. So hardly any Zoras probably could do it, probably only the highest-rank Zora in the city.

The Zoras seem to have more of a connection with the Royal Family than the Goron or Kokiri.

Also, anyone else think that hookshots were to help Hylians get around? Maybe they were more prevalent, back in the day?

>>1080963
idk... zora's "domain" is more realistic as a dwelling. the water temple seems to function for hylians, or both- maybe its like the UN for zora and hylians

i think it's strange they are referred to as temples. aren't temples "places of worship"? or are they called temples kind of just for the hell of it

>>1080972

Big mystery for me: who built the temples, Hylians or the other races? And who are the temples for?

Look at Fire Temple. Gorons are heat resistant, so it'd be easy to say the temple is FOR them. Was it built by them? Could Hylians easily access Fire Tunics? Or did only the Royal Family ever go in the temples?

Spirit Temple was probably purely built by and for the Gerudo.

Shadow Temple is creepy. It feels like a burial ground, but also a torture chamber and a place for cultists.

>>1080986
the existence of fire and water tunics could lead us to believe that hylians probably used em too 0 i forgot how link even got the tunics, dont you just buy them?

>>1076286
Except that's completely wrong

>>1076316
Gorons have no trouble with heat, nor do the Kokiri with the Lost Woods, nor the Zora with Water.

Hylians obviously went to the Light Temple/Temple of Time. The Shadow Temple was for occult rituals and the like.

>>1076334
The water temple is actually less of a maze than any of the other dungeons.
Really the only thing that made it a maze was the fact that you had to find the keys otherwise it's just a building you'd kind of expect from the Zora.

>>1076165
Why is there stuff past this? This is the /thread
Ocarina of Time had no "triforce pieces in the dungeons", Ganondorf literally just lived there while he was searching for Link and Zelda.
End of, he didn't give a shit about "ruling".

>>1081018
Not him, but are you seriously suggesting Nintendo has given the timeline anything but a mere afterthought?

The only Zelda games that MAYBE have any semblance of thought-out consistency are the Aonuma games.

Hyrule Historia was created to make a quick buck.

>>1081103
>2 takes place after 1
>LttP takes place before 1
>OoT takes place before Lttp
>WW takes place after OoT
>TP takes place after OoT
>SS is the first in the series
These are all facts from the games themselves. You would know if you've played them.

>>1081114
Saying "x takes place before y" is a meritless statement unless there are demonstrable proofs in the game to back them up. And I'm not talking about hypotheses or theories, I'm talking about direct references of one game to another.

>>1078065
>teen pregnant
There's a difference?

>>1081135
>meritless statement unless there are demonstrable proofs in the game to back them u
>>1081114
>These are all facts from the games themselves
They are all stated in game or in the manual

The timeline is fucked.
There have been too many contradictions and retcons throughout the years. It's fun and intriguing to discuss thoughts on the lore of the series, but we'll never truly know.

Who cares about the timemline. I dont. Talking about teh temples is much more interesting

>>1081137
yeh man havent u watched mtv?

>>1081149
>they are all stated in game or the manual themselves
Is this bait?
There are no relations between Zelda 1 and OoT, for example, besides recurring names and motifs.

>>1081169
That's why I didn't give a direct relation between the two. Read it again.

>>1081180
Yeah, and that's why your beloved timeline is complete bullshit. There is no way to properly connect classic and modern Zelda.

>>1081189
1->LttP->OoT
This is in the manuals.

>>1081203
Not that guy but that and WW being in the future somewhere is all I acknowledge

>>1081203
I just read the entire story in the LTTP manual. There is no mention of the events of LoZ whatsoever. And there certainly isn't any mention of the events of LTTP in LoZ's manual either.

>>1077234
So it never ends? But it must as Link goes on in Majora's Mask.

>>1081328
No. He's saying that Zelda's dream at the beginning of OoT was actually the ending of the story coming full circle where Link does in fact come as a light from the forest and forewarns Hyrule, abating the storm before it happens.

>>1081372
In other words, she predicted the intervention that would lead to Majora's Mask, but wouldn't know it until Link came back to fulfill it in the pacified timeline. Really makes you wonder all that was going through Zelda's head at the end as she sent Link back in time where he belonged.

The timeline wasn't planned from the beginning, but the way it turned out in the end is pretty great.

Everything revolves around that moment in OoT when Ganon gets his hands on the Triforce, that causes the 3-way trinity of alternate timelines.

Link dies = Ganon becomes the true wielder of the triforce, gets sealed in his own dark realm = Din timeline

Hero of Time wins, then never returns again = the Royal Family must survive on their own as pirates while waiting for the next hero to arrive = Nayru timeline

Link predicts everything and stops Ganon before he has the chance to take over Hyrule = Hero of Time bloodline lives on = Farore timeline

>>1081985

in other words, the 3 alternate timelines are how each of the 3 goddesses determines the fate of the world after the Triforce splits apart and is no longer in balance... Since the Triforce has lost its balance, the fate of the world itself is out of balance and the 3 way timeline split happens.

>>1081986
this from hyrule hisotria?

>>1076236
Ganon isn't really a Gerudo.

>>1082082

the 3 way timeline split is from Hyrule Historia. the rest is just my speculation.

>>1080993
Yes, you could buy them. The zora king could give you one, and Darunia's son could do the same, so they probably had a few to spare.

>>1081985
The WW timeline is caused because link gets sent to the past by zelda. In the last one, Link knows what will happen if he opens the door of time, so Ganon loses and it chains into TP (and MM, which is more of a sidestory).
I still think the "link dies" scenario is bullshit.

>>1081985

Sorry that first timeline doesn't really count as a timeline. Link can die at any point in the game, including in Kokiri village to that rolling stone near the first sword. Therefore, Link dying cannot branch into a new timeline because it isn't dependent on the other events in the story. Link simply dies from his injuries and you restart playing a new Link who knew not to go into the Fire Temple without the Fire tunic.

The only two timelines that should exist can come from a literal splitting of a single instance or event. Given that Zelda is the one who messed with time, she's the one who wound up creating the split timeline, Ganon's actions remain the same and the major link between the two timelines (ha ha) are the GBA Capcom games.

The timeline in that book is horseshit.

>>1082145
i know. it isn't that it isn't a viable scenario, its just that link never dies in any story. he always beats ganon at the end

inb4 nintendo can do whatever they want, its their franchise...

they cant just say "oh heres what happens in the timeline where link dies." its like, what the fuck... here's the timeline branch where link skips breakfast. here's the timeline where link gets a cold before the final battle.

>>1082176

But Zelda could have messed with time outside of the context of the game also. She had the Ocarina of time, remember?

Maybe she had already gone through the scenario once before, but made a fatal mistake that caused Link to die (maybe she originally didn't toss Link the Ocarina in that opening dream sequence).. and then she was forced to use the Ocarina to turn back time to try again?

There's many ways the downfall timeline can work, even without the game explicitly showing it.

>>1076305
>link
>cowardly
I never understood that, he's brave as fuck.

>>1082182
That's the idea though, he's the bearer of excalibur so to speak, which always triumphs over evil.

>>1082198

not if he doesn't have the Master Sword. what if Zelda originally didn't throw the Ocarina to Link? Link would've never pulled out the master sword, would've died against Ganon, and Ganon would've eventually found another way into the Sacred Realm, leading to LttP. All of this can be reversed and split off into a separate timeline because Zelda holds the power to travel through time. it makes perfect sense.

>>1082195
I think cowardly is the wrong word. Frightened. The rabbit is cowardly because it's ruled by its fear. Link overcomes his fear, despite being terrified every moment of the way.

Bit of character development for the guy who never talks.

>>1082185

If there was a fatal error that caused Link to die, don't you think Ganon would then finish of Zelda to remove the ONLY remaining threat to his rule? Or do you believe that having the power to move between two exact time periods would be all she'd need to avoid death by trident?

No, Zelda could only move a single person using the ocarina forward or backwards in time, which effected their mind and body (as evidenced by Link being unable to use items, even small handheld ones) between his adult and child bodies. The Ocarina is not a delorean, a TARDIS, or a phone booth.

For further proof that it only brings people to fixed points in time, Marjora's Mask.

>>1082204
He would have obtained the master sword some other way, or found another way to defeat Ganon.

Link beat Ganon not the master sword.

>>1082205

Zelda would've remained hidden away under Impa's protection, using a Sheikah disguise if necessary... and who's to say Impa couldn't have sent Zelda back in time with the Ocarina, or even with some other method like in Skyward Sword. Time travel methods are not uncommon in the Zelda series at all.

>>1082208

well, not according to hyrule historia. Link needed the Ocarina of Time and the Master Sword in order to defeat Ganon. any other way he "could have" defeated Ganon is just speculation.

>>1082223
Assuming that he would have lost without it is also speculation. The history just shows the way he actually did win, and does not ultimately tell us "he would have lost" if things were different.

What is confirmed is that Link found a way to overcome Gannon and did so, so it's more reasonable to believe that he would have found a way to defeat Ganon even if one element was removed.

The history shows the means with which he beat Ganon but it doesn't show that he wouldn't be Ganon if he had to do it another way.

>>1082247

Actually the games heavily suggest that the Master Sword's evil-repelling ability is a very important factor in Ganon's defeat. You can't even deliver the final blow on him without equipping it. It's about as important to defeating him in OoT as the silver arrows are to defeating him in Zelda 1.

Assuming that he would have lost without it isn't merely speculation anymore, because it's supported by devolopers of the games stating directly that Link does die against Ganon in some alternate scenario. The lack of the master sword is just the most likely scenario I can think of where this would happen.

Stating that Link would've defeated Ganon no matter what, master sword or not, THAT is pure speculation that is not supported by any games or any developer comments.

>>1082219

Um... I fucking would. Impa is dead when you confront Ganon and Zelda is captured. The only way Zelda could have access to the Ocarina of Time would be for Link to lose it during his adventure or give it to Shiek, who Link didn't trust.

Or she could take it off Link's dead body, but the only place she could use it to go backwards in time would be the temple of time. Did you even bother to play the game or do you really just want to keep writing your inaccurate fanfiction?

>>1082275

No, you didn't read my earlier post. I was stating that in the original scenario maybe Zelda never gave her Ocarina to Link in the first place, so it was still in her possession. Link must've went off to face Ganon without the Ocarina, and without getting access to the Master Sword, and died. THAT would be when Zelda would travel back in time to try again.

>>1082291

also, I forgot to mention, but the LttP scenario DOES in fact have Impa still alive. She is one of the 7 sages who seals Ganon in the dark world during the Imprisoning War.

>>1082291

Then that would be a time loop, not a timeline split. Which would make for an interesting game, but Majora's Mask is basically what you're describing with different nouns. Go ahead, keep moving that goalpost. I want to see how far I can kick.

>>1076890
Meaning, of course, that the bosses - and normal enemies, as long as they're encountered in the dungeons - Link kills along the way are actually loyal servants of Zelda who want to keep Ganon's henchmen from capturing the triforces.

>>1082297

Different Impas, unless you're implying that they are all a single, immortal woman. Which is purely your assertion.

>>1082297
Trying to understand the events leading up to Link to the Past. Once Link is defeated by Ganon, then what exactly happens? Zelda and the other sages then seal Ganon in the sacred realm? How does he end up getting the triforce?

>>1082309

The only difference between a time loop and a timeline split, is that the writers abandon anything that happened in all but the latest version of the time loop, whereas a timeline split has writers continuing the story in more than one version of history.

The reason OoT's ending is not a loop, but a split, is because Aonuma showed what happens in 2 different versions of that game's history.

Well, the downfall timeline split exists because Miyamoto already showed what happens in the version of history where Ganon won. This version of history existed even before OoT was made... and since neither of OoT's endings are the correct set up leading to LttP, it requires either a 3rd unseen split, or a retcon to erase everything having to do with LttP. The developers chose not to retcon LttP, so that means a 3rd split happened.

They could just as easily make a game showing what happens after Termina gets crushed, and that would make Majora's Mask into a timeline split. Of course that won't happen, but my point is that a timeline split is determined by the writer of the story, not by some arbitrary rules about time travel.

>>1082338
the backstory is detailed here:
http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/text/z3translation/z3_manual_story.html

Ganon claimed the whole triforce in LttP's backstory, not just the triforce of power like in OoT. The triforce splits apart when the person who touches it has an unbalanced heart, which means that Ganon must have had a balanced heart in LttP's version of history. Perhaps by defeating Link, and then going on a journey to search for the Sacred Realm, he gained more courage and wisdom than he would've had in OoT, which enabled him to claim the whole triforce.

Basically, LttP's back story is entirely different from what happened in OoT. The only similarity between them is that Ganon found a way into the sacred realm.

>>1082313
Sad, isn't it?
OoT manga spoiler:
Guess who was Volvagia's best friend before Ganon mind-controlled her?

>>1082345

Now you're making a false equivocation. Just because there exists a loop in your imagination does not imply this was the intent. Here's the facts: Link is sent back in time to warn young Zelda about Ganon and thus prevent the timeline he was sent from taking place. However, that splits the timeline and has the world in which Ganon was defeated at his tower continue without Link.

If he dies at either point in those timelines it doesn't create another timeline. He's just dead. This doesn't allot for Ganon's defeat and requires a completely different reality, not a split.

Essentially, if you're saying that every possible time Link could die creates a new timeline where the hero fails and evil triumphs, then there's millions of timelines, while they might be similar they are all separate realities with different histories. Which would make showing a timeline somewhat problematic.

So what you're arguing (currently) is that there are billions of timelines with no clear beginning or end. Making your earlier points meaningless, and your current distinctions arbitrary.

>>1082409
You're going way out of your way to make sense of something the creator of which admitted was poorly thought-through.

>>1082409

There ARE billions of possible timelines, that's how this works.

And no, Link dying is not in itself a factor that creates a timeline split. To create a timeline split, you have to travel back in time and change history. The games show that Zelda has many methods of time travel and has can change history pretty much at will. She used to be a goddess after all. A timeline split can happen if Zelda uses her powers to mess with history, that's all I'm saying.

>>1082409

No, Link dying is not by itself a factor that causes a timeline split. The timeline doesn't split every time Link could possibly die. A timeline split is caused by someone travelling back in time and changing history.

The games have shown that Zelda can in fact travel back in time, so the possibility that another timeline split has been created exists, and is supported by the canon. That's all I'm saying.

>>1076157
was the rainbow bridge a nod to Dragon Warrior?

>>1082448
No, it was a nod to care bears

>>1082451
ok why not

>>1082362
>right to left

>>1082445

Yes, which I called fanfiction over an hour ago. So are we done here?

>>1082478

what? the possibility that Zelda can travel back in time and create another timeline split is not fanfiction, it's an actual thing that could have happened given what we know about the connections between games. (admittedly, we don't know a whole lot about the connections between games, a lot of it is left up to interpretation)...

so saying that Zelda absolutely did or did not create another timeline split, is fanfiction, because the official story does not say either way. the only thing we know is that another timeline split DOES EXIST. we just don't know how it came to be.

>>1082526

And yet that's not what is implied in the official timeline, and this also contradicts what you'd said earlier. Just because something could happen doesn't mean that it did. I could've fucked your mom last night, but I had to do laundry, so I wrote a story about it instead.

The timeline shown was of the hero failing, not of Zelda saving the day when that happened. You could assume that she did, but you'd be ignoring that an age of darkness came in just after Link lost.

Which also means that it isn't a connected timeline because it doesn't involve time travel of Link or Zelda (as directly stated). IE: It could be done without either person muddling with time.

Now I know you really think you're right, but you simply don't have any evidence for your assertions. You can believe what you want, but you're going to be called an idiot for ignoring the evidence.

>>1082182
Plus, saying "what if link actually failed" opens an alternate scenario of sorts, but it not a reason for another timeline to show up. I think they just gave up and included that to tie up the remaining games.

>>1082448
I never noticed that. Still, It is probably a coincidence.

The idea of link dying creating offshoot timelines only works if you view the stories as timestreams. And I guess individual timelines as fish that can go in different directions.

Link dying in the OoT timestream ultimately leads to Ganon ruling the world.
Link dying in the MM timestream leads to the destruction of Termina and whatever else gets caught in the blast.
And so on.

And the reason the Ocarina brought Link back to the first day in MM was specifically because he wanted the Goddess of Time to send him to the first day. The first time, unintentionally. Afterward, specifically. No hero would allow an evil being like the Skull Kid to get away with what he was planning (or rather the mask I suppose)

>>1082690
>because he wanted the Goddess of Time to send him to the first day

...so it was his choice which time period he was sent to?

If that's the case, each game in the series could be explained with the Ocarina. He had to go fight (Ganon, other foe) in (time period) so he played the song of time and went there. You couldn't use the Ocarina in the other games because it wasn't necessary for the game play, but Link kept it with him in his pocket. And because Link's age changes when he time travels, he would conveniently be at whatever age he looks to be in LoZ, Z2, ALttP, or any of the games really.

>>1082561

Well, my reasoning is, the timeline stated in Hyrule Historia basically gives us 2 options:

1. LttP's story was written out of the continuity, and became a "what-if" scenario that makes it not connected to any of the recent games.

2. LttP's story was the result of a 3rd unexplaned timeline split caused by somebody going back in time and changing history so that Link wouldn't die (the details of this can only be speculated on).

I am speculating that a 3rd timeline split happened because Zelda saw that Link got defeated by Ganon, and wanted to change that, so she went back in time to try again, which resulted in OoT... it makes the most sense to me, and ties everything together perfectly.

But for some reason, most people here seem to prefer the "what-if" option, which is kind of lame. I'd rather LttP be connected to the other games, even if it's only through untold events and the player has to fill in the blanks themselves.

>>1082797

To clarify: I don't mean that LttP was the 3rd timeline split that happened... in fact it was the ORIGINAL timeline. then from there, it split off into the OoT timeline, and then OoT split off into 2 other timelines.

So really there are 2 "main" timeline splits:
1. LttP timeline
and
2. OoT timeline

but the OoT timeline itself splits into 2 as well, so it actually goes:

1. LttP timeline
2.1. OoT timeline A
2.2. OoT timeline B

>>1082821
>>1082797
I think the biggest factor you're not addressing in this debate (other than the fact you're wrong. The HH isn't canon and there's no third continuum), is where you think Zelda can go back in time.
The Ocarina of time only sent Link back because he had the Master Sword and used it to close the "road between times" at the end.

Plus, you are suggesting that Zelda retrograded back to her youth with only a partial recalling of events vs Link at the end or that Cable-Zelda was a hidden party in the shadows all along during OoT? Not to EVEN lick the topic of what that means for Ganondorf and the Triforce already being split in advance as at the end of OoT (reason number 1 why the faux timeline is bs). I'm putting Occam's Razor down and not even gonna entertain your fan-fic further because the other anon is right.

>>1082949

canon means anything that is stated directly by the author. hence, Hyrule Historia is canon.

not that I'm suggesting any of that stuff about Zelda going back in time is canon, that is simply empty speculation. but you're completely wrong about HH being non-canon.

>>1083080
Hyrule Historia comes with an explicit disclaimer saying that the information in it is subject to waver. It's a concept art book with a reader's digest of the series accompanied by the rambles of a guy who doesn't know anything about Zelda and has never contributed a credible jot or tittle to the lore aside from the idea of Link being a wolf in TP and even THAT I highly doubt. A game that he once claimed took place only decades after OoT. Please

I'd sooner believe the room where Miyamoto says the master timeline is "stored," pertains directly to Iwata's office, who guards it all in his head where its safe.

>>1083080 # Hyrule Historia comes with an explicit disclaimer saying that the information in it is subject to waver. It's a concept art book with a reader's digest of the series accompanied by the rambles of a guy who doesn't know anything about Zelda and has never contributed a credible jot or tittle to the lore aside from the idea of Link being a wolf in TP and even THAT I highly doubt. A game that he once claimed took place only decades after OoT. Please

I'd sooner believe the room where Miyamoto says the master timeline is "stored," pertains directly to Iwata's office, guarding it safely in his head from intrusion by psychic espionage via the Akashic Records.

....... then what the hell are the spiritual stones ???!!!!


:)

can link or zelda hold the triforce in its entirety and enter the sacred realm? aren't they balanced?

>>1083256
n/a lol

>>1083256
Keys to open the mater sword chamber

>>1083182
>Hyrule Historia comes with an explicit disclaimer saying that the information in it is subject to waver
If only Marvel and DC comics came with such a thing.

>>1083182
I like Hyrule historia a lot, but i was really hoping for more content form older games. I think LTTP had like 3 pages total. i think 80% of the book was concept art and sketches from Skyward Sword.

>>1076157
You can smoke pot all day. Imagine the possibilities

>>1082185
Historia never says anything like that. The only thing that starts the Decline Timeline is the fact that Link dies. Also, for Ganon to claim the full Triforce on the Decline Timeline, he must have killed Zelda as well, meaning that the "Zelda leads the Sages and Knights" thing is literally impossible.

>>1082297
OoT pretty heavily implies that Saria, Darunia, and Impa all die in their temples and are reborn as Sages. Impa would be a ghost, and Ganon would be stomping up to Zelda and cutting her down while the Ocarina of Time was still on Link's body.

Also, Historia says that it was the final battle of OoT in which Link lost, a battle that he wouldn't have reached without the Ocarina of Time in the first place.

>>1078065
His hand changes during the punch.