/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10804501
I don't know, why do "people" like you make weak strawman posts just so you can get in a fake argument and whine about some console?

>>10804501
>people like good games?
>how is it possible?????
>name me 5 games people don't like

>>10804501
>some nintendo fan begs me for good ps2 exclusives
>casually list off downhill domination, sub rebellion, sky odyssey, dog's life, sky gunner
>they get triggered there's no mario
>they make this thread

>>10804501
Zoomers think console games are supposed to be movies and ps2 was the first successful console to do this (Sega cd wasn’t successful).

>>10804510
>tranime image
>turd world zoomer with zero reading comprehension

>>10804521
>without just resorting to the same handful of games

>>10804501
Because they played the games their parents bought them, or they learned about it on YouTube

Why do "people" (aka millennials) seem to universally agree it's the best console of all time while simultaneously not being able to name its greatest games without just resorting to the same handful of games or padding it with a bunch of Nintendo IP shovelware?

>>10804501
>>Gamecube had much more high quality exclusives
Stopped reading there

>>10804527
>>10804510
People act like PS2 had some massive library yet you ask someone for the best PS2 games and it's only ever the same 10-15 games, and a ton of the games people list are multiplats that are better on Xbox (THPS, Hitman, Max Payne, GTA, TimeSplitters, Mercenaries, Splinter Cell, Silent Hill, Need for Speed, Burnout, Battlefront, SSX, Psychonauts, Prince of Persia, Simpson's Hit & Run, Spider-Man, Destroy All Humans, Incredible Hulk, Lord of the Rings, Madden, Call of Duty, etc.)

Meanwhile compare that to pic related.

>uhhhh is that a console with 10k titles? uhhhh the idea of it having a few quality titles is driving me INSAAAAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

For exclusives PS2 basically just had God of War, Sly, Ratchet, Jak, Kingdom Hearts, Armored Core, MGS, DMC, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Persona, and then just a ton of shovelware.

Gamecube had the better quality exclusives; games that are essential must-plays that you would go back and play. Not to mention PS2 is so fucking awful to go back to due to its ugly early 3D graphics, effects and aliasing, and interlacing that makes it look like ass on any modern display.

>>10804553
Man the gamecube had really poor quality games.

>>10804558
Agree to disagree. To me that image is just classic after classic.

>>10804565
I can't see it like that. Mediocre port on top of rushed and unpleasant chore simulators, the GC certainly struggled. Meanwhile games like this: >>10804513 are so unique and a delight to play.

I'd never want to touch mario sunshine ever again. Miserable experience.

>>10804565
How old were you when you played Pokemon Colosseum?

>>10804542
Ahh so this is a PS1 was awesome PS2 was shit shit thread.

You're all being baited

It’s really hard to make generalizations about the PS2 library as a whole because it’s vast and it covers pretty much anything imaginable and lots of stuff that’s unimaginable.
On the other hand, the well-known western PS2 games that people mention a lot are pretty boring to me

Gay cube has some great games but ps2 is the better console overall. Especially in current year where you know about all the hidden gems.

>t. had both back in the day, still have both

what's the point of this thread

>>10804576
Thanks Columbo. What tipped you off? That it's a thread on VR about a console?

>>10804582
Just yet another bitter and unsatisfied Nintendo fan venting because there hasn't been a good Nintendo console since the NES.

>>10804582
Just name the best PS2 games, you fucking faggot.

>>10804568
On that image, I would say Wind Waker, Super Monkey Ball, Super Monkey Ball 2, Star Fox Assault, TTYD, Pikmin, Pikmin 2, Melee, Sonic Adventure 2, Rogue Squadron 2, RE1, RE4, Animal Crossing, Warioware Inc are all 9/10 or 10/10 games

Last good Nintendo console.

>>10804596
Why? Are we supposed to want to convince you? Are we supposed to care if you don't like PS2 games?

>>10804596
>Jak and Daxter
>God of War
>Kingdom Hearts
>Gran Turismo
>Shadow of the Colossus
>Sly Cooper
feel free to explain why these games all suck

>>10804610
>can only name the only same few series over and over
pathetic

Picrel btfo's mario party

>>10804619
hey, you asked for the best games exclusive to the PS2

regarding the OP
>Gamecube had much more high quality exclusives
and it had no DVD playblack, no online, barely any 3rd party support and it looked like a purple lunchbox so nobody cared about it

>and multiplats were almost universally better on Xbox
didn't have the hype that the PS2 got because it was a newcomer, also needed an expensive addon for DVD playback so nobody cared about it

the main reason the PS2 was so successful and well-liked was that it had a little bit of everything for everybody, including casuals

>>10804619
How telling that you didn't answer him though. When you get around to it, go ahead and explain why these are bad as well.

Monster Hunter
Zone of Enders 2
Skygunner
Armored Core 1, 2
Breath Of Fire V
Digital Devil Saga
SMT Nocturn
Ace Combat 3, 4
Beatmania
Gradius V
Rygar
La Pucelle
Slipheed
Front Mission 4
Drakenguard

>>10804542
>>10804553
Someone post something like this for PS2, so I can figure out what I want to play next.
I just finished Disaster Report and Raw Danger, and now I'm sorta ambling through Cold Fear.

>>10804648

>>10804501
>simultaneously not being able to name its greatest games without just resorting to the same handful of games
Why would they start listing some obscure mid shit if you asked for the greatest? Are you going to be butthurt if a Nintendo fan lists Mario, Zelda, and Metroid as the greatest game on their system?

>>10804656
Hell yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking of. I remember seeing this same pic years ago and being extremely impressed with the stratification of everything.

>>10804572
>Ahh so this is a PS1 was awesome PS2 was shit shit thread.
yes it is
why are here if you think otherwise?

>>10804656
>multiplats and shovelware
this time without all the filler

>>10804669
You first.

>>10804638
It's crazy how you name just a half dozen series and then beyond that you are already having to scrape the absolute bottom of the barrel

>>10804675
Which of those games do you consider scraping the bottom of the barrel ? lol

>Why do "people" (aka zoomers) seem to universally agree it's the best console of all time while simultaneously not being able to name its greatest games without just resorting to the same handful of games
>"Why do people like popular games like Tony hawk and MGS, but not colorful toy game only I played and cunny destroyer 2488?"

>>10804501
>Why is this the greatest console of all time?!
Well, it had a lot of great games and series that started or continued on the PS2, such as..
>BUT DON'T NAME ANY OF THE GREAT GAMES PEOPLE ALWAYS NAME BECAUSE, LIKE, THEY'RE NOT GREAT.. OKAY?!
.. K.

>>10804675
Are you sure you're not talking about the SNES? It sounds like you're talking about the SNES and not the PS2.

>>10804690
That's every Nintendo console.

>>10804610
Then what good is it to have 100k games? If only a handful are good?

>>10804596
Why not reply to: >>10804513

>>10804624
Cool! Didnt know PS2 supported 4 people multiplayer locally.

>>10804703
That might be bad if it was the case but as the PS2 goes it definitely isn't

>>10804705
You're shit posting but everybody I knew owned a multitap
>>10804501
It sold the most, therefore it is the best.
I had it growing up, therefore it is the best.
I watched my favorite DVDs on it, therefore it is the best.
Yes, that really is how these "people" think.

I do adore some ps2 exclusives, but its best games are even better when not trapped on its shitty hardware.

>>10804675
You should consider a hard drop with a short stop

>>10804501
PS2 was so good everyone's tastes were covered and it's hard to point to the "objectively good" games. In reality these systems with small good libraries can have their best singled out because they had so few good ones.

>>10804507
This too.

>>10804669
>shovelware is anything that isn’t Super Autismo Universe Part VI

>>10804619
its what nintendo fans have been doing since the super nintendo, why is it acceptable in nintendos case?

>>10804501
Whatever you say to make you feel better. You can cope as much as you want...regurgitate opinions like DVD player capabilities...shovelware, worst cross-platform games...blah blah blah
In reality, the PS2 is the best gaming console of all time. Nothing will change that.
The fall and holiday 2001 games alone invalidate everything the competition had to offer.
In 2005, 2006 and 2007 there were so many great games still being made for the system. Playing Silent Hill Shattered Memories in 2009 was incredible.
You will never have the chance to experience games like Sky Odyssey, Shadow of Rome, MGS3, Final Fantasy XII, Everybody's Tennis, Mercenaries, Return To Arms, Kuon, Onimusha 4, Socom games, Ace Combat games, Kingdom Hearts games, Liberty/City stories, GTA SA (PS2 version)... etc etc etc, and you will never have the chance to experience your favorite ps1 game again in between all these games, because you are a worthless retard that don't enjoy video games at all.

>>10804501
>>10804669
>>10804724
>>10804718
Basically these threads are made by people who have barely played any (if any at all) games on the system. So they make it to troll saying there is only a handful of games people talk about, which isn't true, but they don't care about that anyways. Then any game that gets mentioned that isn't one of the many massively popular games they assume it must be shovelware because they haven't played it.

>a Nintendo fan complaining about people who only mention the same franchises over and over whenever they talk about their favorite consoles
This is some fucking delicious irony.

>>10804749
nintendo fans seem to want a one-to-one comparison with their favorite games for whatever nintendo console, so they try to pick out equivalents and compare only on the basis of those, and anything else is irrelevant. but that doesn't work with PS1/PS2 because those consoles had an order of magnitude more games than the contemporary Nintendo consoles, and that also applies to the number of worthwhile games

>>10804760
You say that like anyone needs any game other than Zelda. Zelda is the alpha and omega of all games forever.

>>10804779
Zelda, Zelda, Zelda, the list goes on...

>>10804775
Lol, do not act like PS1 and PS2 libraries are comparable at all. PS1 blows PS2's library out of the water so hard.

I think 6th gen in general was a bit disappointing in retrospect, as it was the beginning of modern game design ethos (mainly thanks to GTA 3).
If you see the list of best selling games from 6th gen onwards, you'll see it's widly different from the previous, retro generations.
However PS2 still has a lot of great games, and while Gamecube had a number of great games too, I felt its first party titles we're a mixed bag, some good stuff like Melee and Prime, but then sequels to Wave Race or 1080, which were some of my favorites on 64, were disappointing and outsourced to western studios on the Cube.
But I like both consoles. The one I still never played is the Xbox. Never played any of them, and I tried the 360 pad once (on PC, for emulation) and hated the dpad.
Still even Xbox has some exclusives I want to play someday, but not that many.

>>10804791
I disagree, but they're close.

>>10804501
I wouldn’t call it the best console of all time. I wouldn’t even call it the best console of this generation (Dreamcast was more innovative, Xbox and GC were more powerful) but it did DEFINE the sixth gen for better or worse. Almost everyone I knew had or wanted to have one, even alongside an Xbox or what have you and you can’t say that of the GameCube or the six Segashills defending their unworkable gimmick based model. Also it did have over 8,000 games released well into the early 2010s and it was probably the last hurrah for old school platforming and JRPGs before the disappointment of the seventh gen

>>10804791
To me they're both pretty even.

>>10804794
>>10804810
Zoom zoom

>>10804807
I know its not retro, but 7th gen remains one of my favorites and I'm a 50 year old fart. If anything its 5th gen I wish had gone differently, there was far too heavy a push on 3D when the systems they were making really couldn't do it justice. There are some phenomenal 2D games from that era, but I was never happy with most of the 3D stuff.

>>10804818
I'm 50 years old. I have that opinion from the opposite angle.

>>10804807
No one cares about power or innovation, library is what's important. Dreamcast had no library so is automatic F tier.

>>10804501
...are we going to pretend that millennials didn't do this now too?

>>10804501
>Gamecube had much more high quality exclusives
HA HA HA HA

why do we have to have these threads? This board was better when traffic was lower. It's clearly becoming another /v/.

>>10804847
The rule change was a mistake. They should have made v2k

Greatest game library of all time but the hardware wasn't exactly great.

>Field rendering was extremely common in the early days of the gen.
>480i majority while GC and Xbox had a wealth of progressive scan titles. Most games ran at an oddball resolution lower than 640x480.
>No digital out like the Dreamcast
>Underpowered compared to the competition and generally the weakest when it came to multiplats where PS2 wasn't the lead development system.

The absolutely absurd fill rate is still notable though. SH2's multi layered fog and the dust effects in Shadow of the Colossus are genuinely awe inspiring for the time.

Tendies getting mad the PS2 is pretty funny. The typical games that everyone talks about are so damn good and there's so many of them to boot. And then beyond that, there's such a wealth of smaller games that fulfil every niche. But don't tell that to tendies, they'll just call it "shovelware" while sucking off the lamest HIDDEN GEMS on the Gamecube.

>PS2 fans are such LOSERS! All they talk about is God of War, Final Fantasy, Persona, Shin Megami Tensei, Gran Turismo, Armored Core, Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Ridge Racer, Sly Cooper, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Ace Combat, ICO, Yakuza, Ape Escape, Okami, Kingdom Hearts, Katamari, Tekken, Metal Gear Solid, Klonoa, Shadow of the Colossus, Onimusha, Twisted Metal, Disgaea and Monster Hunter!!

>>10804848
Rule changes and board making won't fix it, this site just flat out has either a brain drain or all the smart people not wanting to actively talk due to the jannies/mods culturing a userbase of loudmouth spamming schizos

>>10804580
What are your top three Unimaginable PS2 games?

>>10804675
Explain how even one of those games is at the bottom of the barrel and why.

>>10804886
A lot of those aren't exclusive, and many are filler.

>>10804934
What do you mean by filler? Also, something not being exclusive doesn't really matter. Having Okami for example available as a multiplatform means someone with a PS2 wouldn't have to buy a Gamecube if there wasn't much else that interested them. I had both, because GC had a few exclusives like Ikaruga.

More importantly I'd like you to address the whole filler comment. What filler means to you. Which of those games you think are filler, and why.

>>10804915
under the skin, space fishermen, graffiti kingdom

>>10804934
Super Monkey Ball is filler.

>>10804954
PS2 had a lot of 5s, 6s, and 7s games. But when it comes to 8s, 9s, and 10s; actual classics, generation defining games, Gamecube had way more exclusives of that caliber, and the multiplats played best on Xbox.

>>10804962
>Super Monkey Ball, pinnacle of gameplay, challenge, and arcade design is filler
>10fps cinematic QTE slop is essential
Kek, stick to your moviegames bud

>>10804972
>pinnacle of babyslop isn't filler

>>10804968
>Gamecube had way more exclusives of that caliber
Nintendo has never produced any game better than a 7, so I'm not sure where all these "high caliber" exclusives are meant to be hiding.

>>10804975
Wind Waker, Super Monkey Ball, Super Monkey Ball 2, Star Fox Assault, TTYD, Pikmin, Pikmin 2, Melee, Sonic Adventure 2, Rogue Squadron 2, RE1make, RE4, Animal Crossing, Warioware Inc

>>10804968
That's not a real answer and as a fellow owner of both systems I strongly disagree. Which specific games there are filler to you and why.

>>10804979
>Super Monkey Ball, Super Monkey Ball 2
Not exclusives.
>Sonic Adventure 2
Not an exclusive.
>RE4
Not an exclusive.
>Warioware Inc
Not an exclusive and also just about the worst money grab you could possibly hope for, it's seriously a 2 at best. A hastily repackaged GBA title is really you're idea of a "high caliber exclusive" that puts it above the PS2? That's pretty pathetic.

>>10804979
Is that honestly your list of games that blows the PS2 out of the water? Rogue Squadron? Really??? Animal Crossing and RE4 I give you, Super Monkey Ball is okayish, but also multiplatform. Wind Waker is bad even for a Zelda game.

>>10804983
>>10804984
Super Monkey Ball is exclusive, the fuck are you talking about?

>>10804987
No, it's not.

>>10804983
RE4 on GameCube is the only version that matters. All future ports, including PS2, made a bunch of shitty gameplay changes and dumbed down the difficulty

REmake, Soul Calibur 2, SSBM, Metroid Prime 1+2, Rogue Squadron II, RE4 and Ikaruga is what makes the GameCube a good system, alone.

>>10804994
Original Animal Crossing is easily top 3 as well

>>10804991
It came out on the GC, had better graphics, the controller worked better and you didn’t need an adaptor for 4 player fun. Like RE4 it’s so ahead of the PS2 version it might as well be an exclusive.

>>10804991
>he doesn't know
They fucked the physics on that port, it's garbage

>>10804993
>even though it's on other systems, it still counts as exclusive because I say so!!
Continue to cope, it's really pretty funny.

>>10805000
Even at that, you trying to use it as an amazing exclusive that makes the PS2 library look bad is pretty damn funny. It's not a bad game but it's nowhere near a high caliber game like you're trying to claim. You've basically disproved your whole point with that post, and I'm even someone who liked my Gamecube.

>>10804993
Gamecube is the worst version. Bugs unpatched and less content.

>>10804501
It's the console with the most and the best SoulCalibur games if you also count the backwards compatibility with PS1. That's enough to make it the best for me personally.

>>10804597
>Star Fox Assault
>9/10 or 10/10

This is a typo, right? Do Nintendo fans really consider that a 9/10 game? That's fucking funny.

Extremely low quality console warring thread. OP must die

>>10804501
PS2 is in a funny spot, it had an excellent library but the hardware was shit and nearly all the best games have been ported to other systems where they're universally significantly more pleasant to play. Whether it's an old GameCube or Xbox port, a PS3 remaster, or a modern multiplat port, what does the system have left honestly? I hate 480i for games, it make this the only console that's impossible to scale nicely on a modern TV -- even the GameCube can look great at 480p on a modern OLED with decent up scaling (or fail that an external one). 240p game upscalers is a whole market. 480i is this awful middle period, im extremely glad almost all the best games have been ported elsewhere. But please post Chulip thanks

>>10805118
*port Chulip

What an absolute worthless thread

>>10804553
99% of GameCube and Xbox games had no anti-aliasing

99% of GameCube and Xbox owners used composite on a CRT so your complaints of interlacing on modern displays are unfair and anachronistic

>>10805217
interlacing still looks a lot worse on CRT than progressive, it's just not as bad as on LCD displays.

>>10805217
Field rendering in early PS2 games looked worse than any GC or Xbox. When they cleaned that up the PS2’s 480i output was still only acceptable. PS2 has the best library but the worst image quality.
>but composite
Shut up.

>>10805227
It's unanimously agreed that PS2 looks better than its competitors.

>>10804553
>Gamecube had the better quality exclusives
>StarFox Assault
>StarFox Adventures
>Pokemon Colloseum
>Sonic Adventure

Is this post meant to be bait? Or does he really think those are better quality exclusives?

>>10805232
Pokemon Colosseum is a great game.

>>10805232
Starfox Assault is top-tier. The on-foot levels aren't quite as good, but the Arwing missions are better than 64. I supposed it's an "outdated" design though, a focus on gameplay, challenge, and replayability in a gen that focused on cinematics, story, and press X to awesome.

>>10805235
You're literally one of the only people on earth who thinks that.

>>10804501
Because every thirdworlder was able to afford a chipped PS2 back in the day

>>10805237
It's a pretty common opinion

>>10805230
>unanimously
obviously not

>>10805240
Is it? I don't agree at all. Reviews certainly don't agree, I can hardly think of anyone else ever trying to praise it as much as you are. It's also pretty funny to see something like Rogue Squadron 2 shilled hard as an amazing exclusive PS2 can't touch when Ace Combat exists.

>>10805234
You have to be joking. Even when it was the only RPG I had on Gamecube at the time I found it a massive, massive disappointment.

>>10805249
Your personal problem doesn't break consensus.

>>10805256
Rogue Squadron shits on Ace Combat

>>10805268
LOL

>>10804974
Super Monkey Ball is the most hardcore game of that generation. That or Spikeout Battle Street's arcade mode 1CC. Both made by Amusement Vision.

>>10804627
>it looked like a purple lunchbox so nobody cared about it
You're correct. Gamecube was the console of choice for the kids who sat at the autist table in the cafeteria and the annoying band kids who wore Triforce shirts
>didn't have the hype that the PS2 got because it was a newcomer, also needed an expensive addon for DVD playback so nobody cared about it
What? Who gives a fuck if the Xbox came out a year later than the PS2? A console doesn't need to be the #1 seller to be the best one, it just needs to have support from developers who make good games and good hardware. It got almost all the better multiplats and some incredible exclusives. Also the DVD adapter was just $30

>>10804656
pictures like this make you realise nearly half the iconic survival horror games people talk about retroactively were PS2 exclusives.
it's like the one happy time i was a european since we got the siren sequel and Gregorys horror show while america just got fucked.
I still prefer the PSX but the PS2 is the go to console around Halloween time.

>>10805260
Your consensus doesn’t exist

>>10805354
Incorrect. PS2 selling 100 million more means most prefer it.

people should really try hooking up a GameCube (or backwards compatible Wii, easier for most) with modern homebrew to fix the frame width, remove the deflicker filter, and force proper 480p output. it looks shockingly good on a modern set.

psx2 won, best games
best F1 games
best rally games
best motorbike games
best survival horror games
best hack and slash games
best maximovania games
best light gun games
best 2d fighting compilation games
best sega ages games

>>10804553
All this estronaut shit and no mention of Eternal Darkness

>>10805521
Eternal Darkness is great.
6th gen was incredible for horror vidya.

>>10805517
why do you have so many of these saved? you've posted in this thread so many times it's concerning

>>10805517
>soccer games
>eyetoy
>killzone
>singstar
>that shitty killer 7 port

>>10804886
holy fug. op BTFO. and I'm not even ps2fag.

>>10804521
Ma'am, this is a tranime website.

the only “hardcore” single player games are autistic bullet hell and rhythm games

>>10804553
>so desperate he has to claim Dreamcast ports too

>>10804954
filler is anything he doesn't recognize

>>10804501
the only reason why people like PS2 is that it's a big boy DVD player with shitty JRPG and GTA.

Most PS2 characters have PS1 textures with pinata models. As if anyone cares.

>>10805505
This is like saying people preferred the graphics and image quality of the Wii, rather than the 360, just because the Wii sold more. That's completely retarded and you know it.

>>10804501
It has Ratchet & Clank 3: Up Your Arsenal. Simple as.

>>10804910
>due to the jannies/mods culturing a userbase of loudmouth spamming schizos
This. On other slower boards, known schizos and shitposters are practically immune to moderation, whereas on-topic OPs get deleted if they're not inflammatory enough.

>>10804794
They really are not. The PS1 has such an incredible variety of diverse games that are also genuinely good, to the point where I don't even understand how a miracle like that happened, such that there are legitimately hundreds of games worth playing on it.

The best reason to have a PS2 was to have a DVD player that could play PS1 games.

>>10804610
>Jak and Daxter
Mid tier platformer that's worse at platforming compared to Crash and Mario and inferior at exploration compared to Banjo and Spyro. Very impressive as a tech marvel though, so it's great we have source code for it now. Sequel is an even duller almost action game that poorly rips of GTA but doesn't even let you do anything wandering around the actual city.

>Kingdom Hearts
Would be an all time great were the game consistently opening/Hollow Bastion tier quality. The mid game is unfortunately full of terrible levels that drag its overall quality down immensely. Yes, I would like more Atlantis/Monstro thank you.

>Gran Turismo
3 at least has an incredibly tedious grind for its campaign. The license tests were always the best parts of GT, since they focused on actual racing skill instead on 'leveling up' your cars to wreck the competition like some idiot RPG racer.

>>10804542
I enjoy the PS2 and almost have 1000 games for it, but its hard for me to think off the top of my head what my top 10 would be. Theres a bunch of interesting titles, but i cant think of many must-plays like other systems. Probably the rpgs interest me the most and some random shit like Poine's Poin.

Can we fucking stop console warring? Gay thread, and 99% gay posters.

>>10806421
I will never get console warring for retro systems. 6th gen especially, i owned all 4 consoles + PC and got to enjoy anything i wanted. You didn't even need to be a rich fag, just saved your money and bought used systems. Maybe if you had to grow up in a 3rd world location it would be an issue, but any typical suburban white kid gamer had no reason they had to stick to just one game box.

>>10806439
the people stirring it up are either kids learning about this stuff from youtube or old mentally ill people who can't let things go

>>10804501
Zoomers play shitty games like fortnite and roblox. They have the worst taste in games and everything elsd

Contrarian retards should be gassed

>>10806445
>shitty games like fortnite and roblox
In all seriousness, what's actually specifically shitty about either?

>>10804675
Enjoy your (you), this is blatantly low quality bait

>>10806392
The PS2 has its own massive amount of variety, from inventive fire fighting games like FD18, to sequels to great PS1 games like IQ Remix + and Bombastic, excellent first party titles like Flipnic.

I can't figure how one can love one and hate the other. They're both stacked and distinct in their strengths.

>>10804705
That shit's turn based, you only need one controller.

The 6th gen nostalgia bandwagon is definitely still going full speed ahead and sure the fanboys can be pretty annoying, but what we should really be concerned about is the upcoming 7th gen nostalgia bandwagon that will replace them and how to defend the board against them

If you're looking for a really solid library, the PS2 is definitely not as good as the PS1.
It's got some bangers. It's got MGS3, and DMC. But it's not as good as the PS1.
>b-b-but GTA!
Oh, those bad games that were on PC as well. How could I forget?

>>10806439
This is my attitude as well. I never understood console warring, even back when I only had an NES and not a Master System, it just made me enjoy getting to play different games at friend's houses. We were also never rich, but by the time the Genesis was out I could make money mowing lawns and saved up, then did the same for a SNES a few years later. Personal tastes wise I liked more games on one than the other, but both were awesome and I have no regrets at all.

The whole attitude of hating a console because either you don't have it or its not your favorite company is just so strange to me. I kind of hate Sony as a company, and their hardware especially back then was built like garbage. But damn did their systems have some fantastic games. So even when my third PS1 busted on me, I still went out and got another so I could keep playing.

My only real regret is having turned my nose up at the Xbox when it first came out because looking back I missed out on a bunch of games I would have liked, but I can go back to them now if I cared enough.

>>10806834
Man, I'm already hearing people lamenting about the "good old days of the early 2010's".
What are they seeing there that we don't have now? I don't understand.
You grew up playing post-COD4 shooters, and cookie cutter open worlds, and they literally never changed. Maybe they got slightly better, even. At least there's a bit more visual variety than everything being brown military dross now.
I hope to god they don't actually miss the brown and grey filters on everything. They do, don't they?

>>10806835
I totally don't agree with that at all. Both systems have a boatload of great games.

>>10806849
PS1 has about 5 times more games that are cool. And more varied genres. Things like 2D sidescrollers were really dropping off by the time you got to the PS2.

>>10806845
That's just how things go. The "good old 2000's" even the "good old 90's" are just as weird phrases to me. Time marches and shit changes kids who were babies when you were an angsty teen are now angsty teens (or 20 somethings, 30 somethings etc etc) and they have their own nostalgias and things they cling to.

>>10806853
It's fine you have that opinion, I just don't agree.

>>10804501
Cite your sources. Where is this story stemming from?

>>10806856
At least things used to change though. I get nostalgia for the 80's or 90's or early 00's, because those are whole other worlds in terms of their trends and styles.
Once you get to 7th gen. It's kind of just the same thing for the next 15 years, except it gets a little better. At least stuff isn't as ugly as the brown Unreal 3 era right now.

>>10806868
>At least stuff isn't as ugly as the brown Unreal 3 era right now.

Unreal 5, with Nanite specifically, is such a huge deal for games graphics wise. Like, actually having detailed backgrounds that don't shimmer pixels at you and are just naturally anti-aliased fixes so much that is wrong with graphics otherwise.

Backwards compatibility with the PS1 and being a cheap dvd player at the time.

>>10806804
I don't 'hate' the PS2, but you can look as something like the platformer genre and see that the PS1 knocks this shit out of the park, while the PS2 flounders and mostly has second rate derivatives of the genre that half want to be action games or something else if they weren't shovelware from companies the franchises were sold to. Like, just look at Crash, Spyro, Tomb Raider, Tomba! Ape Escape...even just the bloody Toy Story 2 game, and compare that to, I guess Sly Cooper at best?

Even, stuff like Medievil has no real counterpart on the PS2, at best you have Maximo.

>>10806876
in theory yes, but with the current consoles developers seem unable (or just lack the skill) to make games performant with those new technologies. we may have to wait for the 2026 Xbox or PS6 for that to really change, considering the PS5 Pro barely touches the CPU which is currently a large bottleneck -- though even that seems absurd considering the games that were managed on the comically shit PS4/bone CPUs. In conclusion I think modern game devs are terribly incompetent

>>10806868
Things are still changing and evolving and will continue to do so.

>>10806835
GTA is better on PS2 than PC, only casuals disagree.

>>10806910
I think it's more that platformers were losing popularity in general by the time things shifted to 6th gen. I know that was the case for me. The first Tomb Raider was awesome but it got quickly derivative after that. Crash was a similar experience for me. Pandemonium was fun, but felt like a last hurrah, I was pretty bored of platform games by then. To me 5th gen was one of the most disappointing because it's filled with 3D games trying things but the hardware just wasn't there yet. For the last few really cool 2D games I loved it, but overall I did not like 3D of that era and it's part of the reason the N64 is the only Nintendo console I never owned.

>>10804910
you're correct, but the reason these are big problems is related to the board traffic. Cutting down the traffic would have an effect. I think what the other anon suggested is one possible way to do that.

>>10804501
>Gamecube had much more high quality exclusives

The gamecube was fucking trash only loved by retarded Americans.
The crudcube has about 5 good games on it followed by 300 children's games.

The only decent games on the cube are Bloody roar primal fury, f-zero fx, Twin Snakes, RE1R.
I'd say star fox assault is good but that's only the ship levels. The walking sections are absolute crap

>>10806993
>The gamecube was fucking trash only loved by retarded Americans.
>The crudcube has about 5 good games on it followed by 300 children's games.
That's just every Nintendo console past the NES summarised.

>>10806923
PC has mod fixes to make it better

>>10806910
PS2 has Jak, Ratchet, Sly. Those are all top tier platformers, but I see what you mean. They are more adventure than platformer focus

>>10806993
>The only decent games on the cube are Bloody roar primal fury, f-zero fx, Twin Snakes, RE1R.
>I'd say star fox assault is good but that's only the ship levels

You literally named some of the worst games on the system there. Twin Snakes specifically is possibly the worst remake of a game there has ever been. I don't say this to praise the gamecube, but your list there is hilariously bad. You at least could have mentioned Ikuraga or Viewtiful Joe.

>>10807025
Salty sony pretending twin snakes isnt kino because it wasnt on ps2.

Yeah twin snakes has a lot of cut corners and a few things here and there but that's also part of its charm. It feels like a cheesy 80s action spy movie and it is.
Spotting the mistakes is part of the fun of the game.

If you genuinely think shit like retarded joe is a good game then congratulations because you just proved your one of the idiots that love children's games.
Do you think jimmy neuron and antz are cool games too dawg?

>>10804718
World Championship Snooker 2005 is possibly the best cue sports games ever made for any system.
If thats not a prime example of PS2's unparalleled niche depth, then I don't know what is.

>>10807036
Naw, I think console war stuff is idiotic >>10806841 I wanted to like it, MGS was one of my favorite 5th gen games. But Twin Snakes fucking sucks on every level. Not only is the actual game broken from the start because they let you shoot in first person the whole time when the game was carefully designed around it's original camera angles. Then to make it worse, the dialogue is all redone and both sounds super lazy and phoned in but on top of it they cut most of the good iconic lines.

Viewtiful Joe isn't the best game ever made, but it's way better than Twin Snakes and StarFox Assault

>>10806923
delusional, especially since 3 and VC have reverse engineered versions. now san andreas might not, it takes a bit of work to restore everything on PC and fix minor annoyances true, but you have got to be a major bullshiter if you consider the ps2 version to be acceptable, that shit runs at 120p/11fps

>>10807052
>Viewtiful Joe isn't the best game ever made

The cope is real

>>10807036
>twin snakes is actually good because it’s worse

What a retarded thread. Mods are total fags for allowing it

>>10804553
The only games worth a damn on that list are Skies of Arcadia and Resident Evil 4. And both of them are available on other consoles.

>>10804501
>Why do "people" (aka zoomers) seem to universally agree it's the best console of all time while simultaneously not being able to name its greatest games without just resorting to the same handful of games
Not that I care, but isn't this the same thing people do for every console

>>10807235
You just have shit taste

>>10807092
I can taste the soi from this post

>>10807249
I don’t know what that has to do with anything, unless being based just means being intentionally stupid

People's opinion on Twin Snakes seems to depend on how much they like the games vs how much they like Kojima as a person/idea. I think Kojima can fuck off with his Hollywood movie games and prefer Twin Snakes to MGS1 because it doesn't look like freshly baked ass. I just don't use first person shooting and the games fine.

ps2 has atari graphics

it’s just bad

>>10807267
You're still stuck with worse, longer, more hollywood cutscenes and far far worse dialogue in a game with a fuck ton of dialogue just for graphics. I mean I won't tell you not to play it if that's what you like, but you must understand why most people regard it as a terrible remake.

I have zero interest in Kojima as a person or creator.

>>10807256
Thinks of 'himself' as based.
Kek shoot retard

>>10804501
If your year of birth starts with a "2" instead of a "1", kill yourself. Your opinions on anything don't matter and were probably shitting your diapers during 9/11 or weren't even born yet at all.

>>10807315
Time does not stand still, the PS2 approaches 25 years old, you cannot defeat entropy

So, do you play your vidya vertically or horizontally?

>>10807360
horizontal, only a fuckin animal puts their machine on its side

>>10807267
Everything done in Twin Snakes was Kojima's idea.
It also is the more fun version of the game to play.
>but balance!
like I care.

>>10804553
>>10804542
Do you cunts actually know what the word "exclusive" means? There are several games in both of these pics which are absolutely not exclusive. Most are, sure, but come on now.

>>10804747
And another cunt, come the fuck on. Baldurs gate was on all of the systems.

>>10805517
Jesus Christ not me of you know what the word means do you fucking hell what a dopey set of cunts I share this board with.

>>10806421
All gay cunts in here mate.

>>10806921
Barely. All of the biggest games coming out are the same basic formats that were established in the 7th gen. Whether that's Bethesda open world, or Ubisoft open world, or The Last of Us style cinematic shooter, or just Dark Souls.
What do people who are nostalgic for the 7th (or 8th at this point) gen actually miss? Really bad motion controls? Those are a lot better now.
AAA games being vaguely less exploitative, I guess? I mean, AAA games were already shit in the 7th gen. Some of them have gotten better, even. The new Resident Evils are a lot better than 5 or 6. The new Hitmans are a lot better than Absolution.
What do people feel like they aren't getting?

>>10807521
Whaaat? The PS2 is notoriously prone to overheating. On it's side with good airflow around is how they should always be set up.

>>10807540
It was Kojima's idea to give you first person aiming from the start of the game when the original camera angles were so carefully planned?

>>10807559
Things are still changing, look back 10 years from now and you'll see.

>>10807584
He wouldn't have said don't do it.
He was clearly very eager to have them use his revised English script, since he hates the liberties the original version took, and he specifically asked for the cutscenes to be more over the top.

>>10807612
Well I just lost some respect for a man I already didn't respect a ton. Meh.

>>10806921
Idealistic, but unfortunately the dropping in tech literally and retiring of the old guard wont improve things. AI could balance it out, but it's not there yet and profit hungry corps will be using it for the easiest revenue streams. The indie area still has the best hope of doing anything as tools improve and allow them to fill the AA niche if not AAA. We would need a total market reset for things to majorly shift, which wont happen as long as people are happy to play GaS shit nonstop.

>>10807012
That is a retarded argument when comparing stuff from 20 years ago. The mod scene of the old PC versions was not that significant and was a bit inferior to the ps2 versions.

>>10807640
I didn't say it will necessarily get better overall or get better in your opinion, just that it's going to keep changing.

>>10807036
>shitter who couldn't beat the helicopter boss in the first level of Viewtiful Joe

>>10804542
>Ask someone for the best games
>They give you the best games
>Ask someone else
>They give you the same list of best games
Have you considered that those are "the best games" you're asking people for?

>>10806841
While i was jealous of my console owning cousins and friends back in the day, i think being introduced to gaming via PC, LCD handhelds and arcade games was the best starting point to me because I had no single nation to feel pride for. Every piece of hardware, new and old, had me curious into what games were available for it. Every trip to a thrift store or flea market had a chance for me to add a new platform i missed out on. A holiday gift one year might be a GameGear, a birthday gift might be a used PlayStation.

The only platforms I have a strong distaste for are those who have a type of ideology or design aspect i greatly disagree with, so for me it would be anything Xbox after the 360, but I adored their original console.

Absolute garbage thread. OP needs to die

>>10806923
No, PC and Xbox is better. I'll gladly sacrifice the Fanta filter for custom soundtracks and framerate not dropping whenever there's more than 6 cars nearby.

>>10804984
Didn't you see Luigi's mansion?
/thread right there.

>>10804656
OP BTFO

>>10804596
I fucking loved the ps2. Here are the best:
>God of War series
>Devil May Cry series
>Final Fantasy series
>Gran Turismo series
>Tony Hawk series
>Grand Theft Auto series
>Kingdom Hearts series
>Burnout 3
>Dragon Quest VIII
>Persona 4
>Ico and Shadow of the Colossus
>Beyond Good and Evil
>Katamari Damacy
>Okami

>>10804537
Why do "people" (aka alphoomers) seem to universally agree it's the best console of all time while simultaneously not being able to name its greatest games without just resorting to the same handful of games or padding it with a bunch of Nintendo IP shovelware?

>>10804501
>not being able to name its greatest games without just resorting to the same handful of games
>not being able to name its greatest games
>without just resorting to the same handful of games

>>10809147
Kids these days don't play consoles, even handhelds like Switch. It's all tablets and phone games. There's a good chance consoles just plain won't exist like they do now in 10 years.

>>10804596
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 and Tony Hawk's Underground are the only video games you'll ever need

>>10809401
The point is presumably that PS2 advocates claim that it's great because it's supposed to have such a wide variety of solid games, but the range of titles commonly brought up is relatively small.

I feel like a huge factor in your impression of the console is going to be how you regarded GTA as a series in 3D. If you're mind was completely blown by the open world freedom they offered, you'd likely see the console as something great given it let you experience this. But if you saw that as a gimmick that had minimal impact on your actual progression and didn't make up for the jankiness of their gameplay, then you're likely to not see it as something super impressive compared to other consoles.

>>10809425
I think the point he was making is that typically if you ask for the best games you'll get the generally agreed upon best games. But that is not to say the system didn't also have a wide variety of solid games.

For my case I thought it was a pretty great system because of it's variety of games and I have never liked or cared about Grand Theft Auto. Then when mentioning other games like I did earlier with this list it leads to a quick comment that there are "half a dozen series there and then the rest is scraping the bottom of the barrel." Of course when asked to explain why they think any mentioned were "bottom of the barrel" there is no response and then more bait. Which is what the whole thread is. Weak ass console war bait.

Monster Hunter
Zone of Enders 2
Skygunner
Armored Core 1, 2
Breath Of Fire V
Digital Devil Saga
SMT Nocturn
Ace Combat 3, 4
Beatmania
Gradius V
Rygar
La Pucelle
Slipheed
Front Mission 4
Drakenguard

>>10809425
The difference between the PS2 and Gamecube is that with the PS2 I can be completely uninterested in GTA, Tekken, God of War, Gran Tourismo and Tony Hawk but still have masses of other games to play. With the Gamecube, if I don't care about Nintendo first party games there really is almost nothing else exclusive to the system.

>>10809549
You've cracked the code about all Nintendo consoles. Nintendo IP's are all the GameCube, N64, and SNES have to offer, and fans of the GameCube, N64, and SNES only care about games by Nintendo.

>>10809568
Not universally. The NES and SNES had pretty good variety, their handhelds are usually pretty good and Switch has a pretty robust library now. But the N64 and GC really require you to like Nintendo first party stuff to get much use out of the console. I'm not sad I had a Game Cube, but it's probably the system I've owned the least number of games for.

I hate you faggots. GameCube has great games. PS2 has great games. Xbox has great games. The only difference is that nearly every great PS2 game is, in 2024, better played on another console. GameCube games tend to be locked to it even after twenty years. Xbox is a different scenario as many of its best games are best played on PC or Series X|S back compat. But I think people see little reason to return to the PS2 when they can play those blurry 480i games in 1080p or 4K. That doesn't somehow mean it has a bad library, though.

>>10809571
>NES
I'll grant that is the one exception.
>SNES
Nobody cares about the mountain of shovelware shit on offer, there are only about a dozen SNES games that anyone plays, because those are the only ones worth playing. It's the exact same scenario as the GameCube and N64.
>handhelds
Pokemon machines.

>>10809578
I don't like the SNES library as much as the Genesis but it still has a lot of games I liked. Calling the handhelds Pokemon machines is far too reductive to me as well.

>>10809572
>nearly every great PS2 game is, in 2024, better played on another console
a vast oversimplification

>>10809650
Which ones aren't? Between multiplats on GameCube/Xbox, PS3/4 remasters, and modern Switch/PC ports, what's left? Chulip?

>>10809578
Most of the third parties, especially in Japan, still went SNES in that generation. Nintendo didn't really start bleeding third party support until the PS1 came along. NES and SNES both have massive libraries of the best third party games of their respective eras, N64 is another story of course

>>10809798
Not him, but what would the benefit be of playing a multiplaty 6th gen game in 2024 on an Xbox or Gamecube over a PS2?

>>10809806
Third parties struggled to get a decent game out of the slow and bottlenecked SNES, and many of they're attempts failed to live up to the expectations set by the other players in the 16-bit era. Yes, the SNES "had" third party support, but it ultimately did not amount to a games library worth a damn due to the lacklustre hardware holding them back so severely. Even long time Nintendo supporters such as Konami recognised this and began shifting more development efforts to the far more powerful Mega Drive towards the end, achieving vastly better results there than was ever remotely possible on the weak SNES, so no, Nintendo's bleeding of third party support began with the SNES, and was because of the SNES. It was merely exacerbated by the equally shoddy N64.

>>10805338
>half the iconic survival horror games people talk about retroactively were PS2 exclusives.
Yeah, like Eternal Darkness, Silent Hill 2, RE4, Fatal Frame... oh wait.

>>10804542
I always wonder about these lists. They are considered as if you were playing in this day and age right? That's why for example a port of Street Fighter Zero isn't included since it's better played on a CPS2 emulator.
There is the case where the home port had some nice additions that weren't on the arcade and it makes the console version worth playing and getting in the list.
But then in this list you see games like Raiden Project, or Sonic Wings or Ridge Racer, or other shmups. Why are they included?
I understand Ridge Racer Type 4 is it's own beast with the story mode and gameplay that isn't on arcades, or maybe G-Darius that is the same psx board and it's pretty much the same game.

It would help if there was an explanation or something, some threshold. It helps when downloading isos for PSX and Saturn and you don't want to have the same game twice but you don't know when one port has significant content and/or is worth having over just having it on the proper arcade emulator or just a single console.

>>10804656
>>10809798
Tell me how many of the exclusives on that list got remasters down the line, especially ones that didn’t fuck with things in substantial ways.

>>10809806
SNES and Genesis are just sort of different libraries in general with SNES leaning more on adventure, rpgs, platformers and puzzle games and Genesis having more arcadey action type games. There is plenty of overlap of course, but for some reason both then and now I have always gravitated more towards the Genesis library than the SNES. I have full romsets of both ready to play at any time, but it seems most of the time I end up booting something up it's for Genesis.

>>10809843
It was probably just randomly thrown together by someone who didn't care much about fighting games, though the PS1 was generally not great in that regard anyways.

>>10809848
>SNES leaning more on adventure, rpgs, platformers and puzzle
It's quite funny that even in the SNES "home turf" genres, the Mega Drive ended up with the better games.
>Snatcher
>Story of Thor
>Phantasy Star IV
>Shining Force 2
>Sonic
>Ristar
>Puyo
Just off the top of my head.

>>10809873
I agree with you, though I do love some of the RPGs on SNES as well.

>>10809848
Interesting, I didn’t grow up with those consoles specifically, and even with every game available I found myself gravitating towards the SNES to the point where I don’t even have a Genesis emulator set up any more. Different strokes, I guess. My taste definitely errs towards slower paced games in general so it makes some sense.

>>10809846
That would take hours anon fucking hell

>>10809843
Sonic Wings Special includes more content than Sonic Wings Limited (the arcade version).

Also Raiden Project includes some additions over the arcade versions and Raiden 1 and 2 had emulation issues for quite a while (even Raiden 1 still has issues in MAME)

>>10809846
>>10809927
well I’ll do a couple small sections just for you

>>10809948

>>10809880
I played a few of the SquareSoft SNES JRPG's, and I generally believe they didn't figure out how to make a very interesting one before they shifted to the PlayStation. I like the genre but I find the SNES ones to be too cookie-cutter and lacking in the gameplay depth that the genre would become known for.

>>10809953
Really? I feel like JRPGs stopped evolving around 1990 and have stagnated for 30 years since. It’s one of the genres with the least evolution in depth of gameplay imo.

That said I do like a good PS1 RPG, though I’m not a huge fan of the late 90s trend of making every game as long as humanly possible.

>>10804991
the only super monkey ball game that's good and matters is the first one

>>10804501
>oh yeah the ps2 was good? Then name some of its best games
>NO NOT THOSE ONES THOSE DON'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO

>>10804521
>trans derangement syndrome out of nowhere
You need put down like the dog you are.

>>10804501
>not being able to name its greatest games without just resorting to the same handful of games
This makes no fucking sense, genuinely one of the most retarded things I've ever read, yet the bait was enough to get hundreds of replies. This board is fucking doomed.

>>10810801
ESL or midwit, call it.

>zoomers
>talking about PS2
not even reading the rest of this post or your stupid shit thread, kill yourselves

>>10805227
>but composite
Which is what 99% of players used regardless of console

>>10805083
No actually most people hate it just because of the onfoot missions. It got mediocre reviews at the time and there aren't too many people trying to make a case for it today either.

I played it recently after avoiding it all this time because I just kept being told it wasn't good and it turns out everyone is a retard and it's a fantastic game. You should try it for yourself.

>>10810895
Are you supposing someone born in 1995 didn't play any video games from 1995 to June 30 2010? I refer to June 30 2010 because the majority of PlayStation 3's in circulation were sold after this date (41.69 million consoles)—unless of course you are referring to an even later date of PS4 adoption.

Furthermore, 30 million PlayStation 1's were sold from 2000-2004. With THAT in mind, I think it is extremely likely for any given zoomer to talk about the PlayStation 2.

>>10810895
zoomers are obsessed with PS2 you fucking retard, it's literally the only platform they emulate

>>10809948
yakuza kiwami 1&2 absolutely don't replace the originals, they fuck with the games way to much and are not a drop in replacement
devil may cry hd collection has a bunch of graphical issues
ico and shadow of the colossus are based on their 25fps pal versions

>>10811335
The PAL versions of Ico and Shadow of the Colossus both have a 50/60Hz selection when you start the game, not that any PS3 game even runs at 50Hz, so your 25fps comment is irrelevant. The PAL version of Ico also happens to be massively superior to the American one due to the latter being rushed to market, even predating the Japanese release. That said, if you like the original 240p look of PS2 Ico then you may as well play that since the PS3 doesn't do 240p.

You're right about Yakuza and DMC though.

Why is the final Slim model not more popular? It fixed the disc-scratching problem the first Slim has

>>10811353
>Generates less heat than Fat
>Doesn't scratch discs like slim 1
It's literally the best PS2

>>10811353
>>10811360
Why would anyone want to use discs these days, instead of a HDD in a fat PS2? Even coomlectors who pay hundreds of dollars for one game do it only to display them on a shelf

>>10811546
Because the fan turns into a jet engine when you plug in a hard drive

>>10810904
I rented it once and thought it was pretty awful, but I never had much love for Star Fox anyways. I was just trying as many things as I could back then.

It has KH2FM, the best action game of all time. This alone makes it the greatest game of all time.

It amazes me that this abhorrent thread is still alive. What a joke

>>10804513
what's so good about sub rebellion? I've never heard of it
That's what i like about the ps2, how the library is so vast it's possible for games to blindside you even after so long

>>10811607
Everything, it's a sub action shooter where you must of course, rebel against the evil naval empire that has taken over earth (which is also flooded.) It has a great pressure mechanic, giant enemy battleships, combat is swift and satisfying with how shot leading works and the bosses really are gigantic, the setting has all these flooded cities to sub around, it's cool stuff. I'd frequently mention it to people looking for a cheap great game because it's only $15 for a complete copy.

>>10811345
I haven't played ps3 version of ico or shadow of colossus so maybe I shouldn't speculate
but my impression from previous threads was that hd collection didn't properly handle the conversion back to 60hz because some stuff was still expecting the game to run at 25fps and got messed up.

>>10811636
SOTC stamina bar wasn't optimized for the more powerful hardware and it drains faster.

>>10804501
>appealing mostly to casuals who didn't care enough about gaming to get more than one platform, and mostly just wanted a cheap DVD player anyways
Agreed. Piratefags tried taking credit for the PS2's success by claiming "piracy was the number 1 reason why it sold well". But in reality the PS2 sold well because it is a cheap Sony-branded DVD player, which appeals to casuals. It was painfully obvious. My aunt had one and she definitely wasn't a gamer and her kids were in college and were already moved out. There were no games on her shelf, it was just DVD's and CD's.

>>10811353
doesn't it have a litany of compatibility issues?

>>10811718
Yeah piracy had little to do with it's success, people like your aunt and I had several friends who barely played games but bought one for the odd title and just dvds. I knew one girl who literally bought one only to ever play Kingdom Hearts. That's why it was successful, it sold so well that every developer and their neighbor were wanting to put games on the thing which is why it ended with more than six times as many titles than the Gamecube and lots of room for strange little niche games.

PS2 was great. Nocturne, P3, NIS games, FFXII, Tales of the Abyss, oh and finally some good 2D fighter ports (no one had a Saturn)

>>10811747
Apparently the 90001 has better ps1 compatibility than the 70001.
Overall the 90001 is the best in terms of build (heat issues resolved, better lens)

>>10809934
Interesting, so there is the assumption that this list has everything worth playing on the console even considering emulation of the arcade version.
I guess nowadays people are getting 10TB RAID storage options and download the whole PSX/Saturn list in like half a day from some awesome place. But commoners like me have to choose which stuff to download slowly and keep on small 2-4TB HDDs (which share space with other stuff too)

>>10810925
That's not true I also emulate the SNES and PS1

>>10811718
>piracy was the number 1 reason why it sold well
I've never understood this claim about any console. The amount of people who pirate is not that high, especially in first world countries. Piracy and modding have never sold a console on their own before, at least not firsthand.

>>10809843
>. They are considered as if you were playing in this day and age right?

I don't think that's necessarily the case.

>>10811360
because sony patched the FMCB exploit

>>10811767
Exactly.

>>10811964
Agreed. The number of people who actually bought games eclipses the small amount of people who pirated games for the console, assuming they've modded their consoles to do so.

>>10811964
Yeah almost no one I knew pirated on the PS2, by contrast every single person I knew with a Dreamcast pirated on it. Bootleg imports of KoF and other SNK fighters was the bulk of what mine got used for.

I remember PS2 piracy being relatively difficult for a few years, with modchips that had fairly involved installation processes

>>10809948
>"I have never even hard of these?" over half the list
I hate zoomers so much it's unreal

>>10804501
The PS2 has God Hand, Steambot Chronicles, and Odin Sphere
It wins by default

>>10812063
Yeah. Piracy on the PS2 wasn't as widespread as they (the pro-pirate community) tried to make it seem it is.

>>10804553
>>10804558
>>10804565
Gamecube fans really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to pretend they have games>>10804675

>>10812063
>>10812867
Literally the entire continent of South America owned at least one modchip PS2 per household, especially Brazil

>>10804501
>Gamecube had much more high quality exclusives
holy fucking kek

>>10811964
>especially in first world countries.
It's south Americans making these claims.

>>10812543
I'm 30 years old, and you cant count

>>10804501
>"people" (aka zoomers) seem to universally agree it's the best console of all time
I reject this claim.

>>10812898
Got any proof?

>>10812880

>>10806743
Too cartoony and looks like it's made for toddlers. Lack of creativity or maybe I just don't wanna play on servers with obnoxious pretend know it all brats

Or both of those reasons..

Tbh though I never cared for overly cartoony games unless it was looney tunes or something actually funny

I grew up when video games were seen as the next rocknroll (cringe as it sounds) because of how over the top edgey they were. They're the opposite of that now and they're boring

I really don't care but I think it's obvious 90s had the best creative teams for everything. They weren't afraid of everything back then

>>10813085
So, like, nothing. For all you know they could legitimately be some of the most fun games ever made, and which you would have absolutely loved were you a kid around this time, but you're judging them because other people claim they're 'zoomer' things that you, as a proud mature millennial must show you're above.

Like, Roblox is basically this generation's flash, but 3D, so make that of what you will.

>>10812867
>Piracy on the PS2 wasn't as widespread as they (the pro-pirate community) tried to make it seem it is.
lying, you will never put a foot in Europe and Hispano América.

Also norh Africa and south Asia had piracy too

>>10804553
>For exclusives PS2 basically just had [long list of amazing games] and then just a ton of shovelware.

>>10812063
It was, most people knew a guy who walked the dog for some distant cousin of a Romanian that did it. Normal people weren't modding consoles.

>>10813501
Again I ask, got proof? An image of a room full of computers and CD-R's doesn't prove jack and shit except that it's obviously occupied by a poorfag living in squalor and has to sell $5 music CD's to get something to eat at McDonald's.

>>10804501
Zoomers played XBOX360 and PS3. They can't argue about something they didn't experience

>>10814142
Not him but you can still find forums from people pre2010 talking about piracy with the ps2 hdd and people talking about finding most ps1 and ps2s being modchipped especially in South American or esl countries.

Zoomers don't play games made for PS3 or earlier. They genuinely believe Dark Souls and Fallout New Vegas are "games that didn't age well" and feel "clunky". If they'd play on a PS2 they'd lose their minds but The_GameExplainer44 who makes six hour video essays told them it was the best console of all time so they just roll with that.

>>10804501
well is the same argument as saying final fantasy is the best rpg of all yet when compared to others feels so inferior.
>Phantasy Star 4 map and story was so big it couldn't have been handled by other console.
>Dragon quest had a superior experience and more playable.
>no one dares to admit those points retorting to FF is superior claims and only that.
ps2 had some good rpg and mostly that,gamecube had better games overall and great graphics (this was proven when the resident evil GC remakes got ported since those took over a decade and ps4 to be able to play it and even that one couldn't handle the game as good as the gamecube) compared to the shovelware on ps2 which was higly censored back then.
xbox never met someone that had one so the only game i know is one of gundam it seems that used the real gundam controls with lot of levers,pedals ,buttons and so on.

>>10814436
Have you ever spoken to a zoomer?

>>10809846
You know someone is continually mad about something when they have to continually make even more qualifiers for something to be good. None the less I don't see these sort of arguments for previous generations since browsing this board since its inception. I wonder what sort of audience 6th gen invited in. You already know the answer.

>>10813501
I live close to a store that still sells some old stock PS1 bootlegs with those shitty custom covers and disc art, some of em have cheat codes written in the backs of the covers by the previous owners, good times.

>>10814436
This but it's the gamecube, zoomers think playstation started at 4 (like final fantasy started at 7)

>>10814436
So someone born in 1995-2000 is just going to dismiss any game that came out in the first 13-18 years of their life?

>>10804619
My top 3
>Steambot Chronicles
>Ace Combat 5
>Growlanser 4

>>10814996
Don't zoomers start at 2000? I was born in 95 and don't really consider myself the same generation as current teenagers

>>10814527
>Dragon quest had a superior experience and more playable.
This is an empty, nonsensical statement.

>>10813123
NTA, but i know kid me would hate Fortnite and Roblox because even back then i was opposed to online exclusive games. Minecraft i probably would have loved, i enjoy it now and I can play it offline with friends.

>>10811546
I use my copies to rip to hdd so i dont need to bother finding the images online.

>>10804553
>modern display
What kind of mega fag plays an actual PS2 on a non CRT TV? Get fucked Zoomer.

>>10814436
>Dark Souls and Fallout New Vegas feel "clunky"

They do, but that's just how they were made, and has shit to do with the time they were made in.

>>10807021
Ratchet and Clank is easily the most average series I played from the three. Jak 1 is great, the next two are alright. Sly 1 is the best out of all the games among Jak, Ratchet, and Sly. Then Sly 2 and 3 are solid.

>>10814142

all proofs I have for now.
I will research form more proofs to you anon, as you requested

>>10804501
Zoomers mostly only played trash games such as those from Nickelodeon/Dreamworks, GTA, some shitty FPS and Sports Games.

They never learned how to play the games and ran around like the retards they are.

>>10814993
at least Scott and his worrying hairline are honest about being all in on the GameCube because of nostalgia

>>10815267
It's generally agreed that Zoomers start at 1996-97. Some people push that to 2000-2001 since they classify zoomers as the generation that doesn't remember 9/11. Anon's idea of zoomers is based off of kids who are in middle and high school now and were born from 2006-2011.

>>10804513
>sky gunner
ABAP

>>10804669
I'm more annoyed that they left off the entire Dyansty Warriors and Romance of the 3 Kingdoms series.

>>10815267
If you're too young to remember the George Bush presidency you're not a zoomer. So today's teenagers are all gen alphas

>>10804501
The Xbox was my favorite.
Every time I went to a friend's house and they had a PS2 guess who was playing it? Just them and nobody else.

>>10804507
fpbp and /thread

>>10817379
Zoomer is 2000-2020, gen alpha are babies and toddlers. You can't just make your own definitions of established terms

>>10815267
>>10817063
>>10817468
I honestly define gen z's start as an unfixed number based on whether or not someone can remember even a sliver of the world before modern computing and the internet started getting pushed into everything as part of the initial dot com bubble, which generally gives it more of a window of late 94 at the earliest

up

>>10804501
I was with you until you mentioned the shitcube

>>10818940
why did you bump this horrible thread insted of letting it die?

>>10804501
It was so great that most of its games were ported to other better systems, so there is no reason to use it

>>10818953
Yeah but then you have to rely on a bunch digital purchases and questionable artistic and technical choices with those remakes.
As opposed to just playing the originals on FMCB along with everything else that was never ported.
I’m trying to use the Z word less, but you are using zoomer logic.

>>10818953
It's got 4000 games. A lot of those didn't get ported.

>>10811353
NTSC only?