/vr/ - Retro Games

Just emulate bro

>>10797547
Not soon, but I think eventually there'll be a drop where games that sold hundreds of thousands if not over a million copies don't cost more than what they cost back when they were new for a loose, beat-up copy. Right now what's propping up the prices is a combination of nostalgia, normalfags who grew up with the games gaining disposable income, and Youtube faggots making videos about them thus contributing to the nostalgia among millenials and presenting them as a novelty for zoomers. Obviously once these generations grow older and starts dying off, the novelty and nostalgia will likely drop, and future generations probably won't care as much, so prices will drop. Of course, supply for genuine copies will likely never increase, so that will make sure prices never drop to dirt cheap like in the late 90's/mid 2000's, but outside of very rare, sought after titles, common basic bitch games will likely go back to something more sane, at least until enough copies end up getting lost or destroyed through the ravages of time, at which point they will become genuine collectors' items and prices will rise once again.

If you want to just play games on real hardware, though, hunting down legitimate copies doesn't make sense at the moment. Much better to get flash carts.

>>10797547
I'm British too and our retro market isn't anywhere near as bad as the US or mainland Europe. Burgers would kill for our prices

>>10797597
Probably because
>50 Hz

>>10797597
How bad is in the States?

Mainland Europe? I thought things would be cheaper there?

>>10797580
>Obviously once these generations grow older and starts dying off, the novelty and nostalgia will likely drop, and future generations probably won't care as much, so prices will drop.
You're talking about decades? I hate normalfags and zoomers so much.

>>10797605
Most of the time it's the same rom and it runs at full speed on a 60hz console. Cheap PAL games + 60hz console, best of both worlds.

>>10797580
>>10797612
hard to say how much prices will drop. i mean, not that many people are into atari 2600 at this point and it's still stupid high prices.

>>10797643
>and it's still stupid high prices.
I see so many ebay auctions just not being sold and yet normalfags keep trying to sell them at ridiculous prices.

>>10797653
eBay is scam and grifter central these days for old vidya, since it's the lowest of the low hanging fruit.

>>10797659
There a better place to buy old games?

>>10797663
sometimes you can have luck on auction sites like hiBid, particularly local auctions where you have to go and pick up the item. However, it's always a bit risky, you can get scammed every now and then, and ultimately it's not that much better than ebay. I got a couple things relatively cheap that ended up being a good deal compared to ebay, but it's rare. and really, it's as bad as ebay or worse if the auction house does shipping because then you're competing with everyone just like ebay.

>>10797643
2600 stuff is still cheap, it's just L@@K RARE idiots on eBay and Mercari, I don't think any of that overpriced stuff sells.

>>10797547
>there going to be a retro games price crash soon?
Nope. It simply can't happen when we constantly have all these threads with poorfag bandwagoners being wrong about how it's happening or happening any day now. You know that if you could afford it you'd impulse bin every game on ebay right now. And poorfags are just a small percentage of the fagots with that neurosis.

>>10797670
That sounds worse than ebay as you get scammed occasionally and have to pick up your own purchases. Ebay isn't that bad if you are patient and don't buy the first thing you see

>>10797695
>L@@K RARE
I wonder what goes through the minds of people like that. Especially when they have multiple listings.

>>10797597
European and Japanese prices are one of the better counterpoints to the "it's not a bubble" arguments. Prices naturally climb worldwide over time, even out, and then sort of bob up and down a bit over time but the American prices are so out of step with everywhere else it cannot be natural unless Americans are just way more rabid about gaming than everyone else. Shit, half of the reason Japanese prices are shooting up is because of Americans.

>>10797695
>I don't think any of that overpriced stuff sells.
It will eventually, which is why Ebay devolved into what it is today. It's not an auction site anymore. Sellers got so horribly manhandled by Ebay policies that the only ones left are people using Ebay as a platform for their online business. So things can just sit there for weeks or months until the right person comes by and hits that buy-it-now. Prices would be way different if Ebay were still a place for "$1, No Reserve" auctions where you can bid on a crate of loose carts. Now that everyone knows gaming is collector bait it's stuck in a feedback loop where nobody wants to let anything go for less than top dollar.

>>10797697
yes but you'll never get certain deals on ebay...like you can occasioanlly still find people that have no idea what they have locally. I found a good chunk of the SE PS1 library mixed in with DVDs for about $40 total. It had stuff like all the FFs, Parasite eve 1/2 and some more all black label. The days of that on ebay are gone forever.

I'm looking at gumtree. Prices are....vaguely more reasonable. Just barely.

>>10797846
That seems more than fair, especially with the games. Are you expecting shit for free?

>>10797547
PS2 game prices sure crashed. I remember getting my ps2 at a garage sale in like 2013 or 14 and the games were all like 30 canadian dollars for the common as fuck games like battlefront. I just started getting games for ps2 again at the end of january cause i saw how cheap some of them were. Battlefront and battlefront 2 cost me like 12 bucks each, burnout 3 was like 5 bucks. DBZ budokai 1 cost me 8 bucks. I am sure some of them have increased but a lot of the common games seemed to have drop since that time

>>10797921
On PS2, it's really only the horror games and maybe some cult hits that didn't sell well in their time that are expensive as fuck. 6th-gen is basically considered to be the golden age of horror vidya, so that's to be expected.

>>10797846
If that's too much for you I'd suggest getting a job.

>>10797547
>Will I be able to buy mega drive games at two quid a pop
You'll be dead before that happens again.

>>10797960
So after OP gulps a few tidepods this weekend? Sweet.

>>10797547
That's less than 9 bongbux per game. Not even close to being the most egregious example.

>>10797974
There is no way each of those games are worth 9 quid each. I'm also 100% sure that Pokemon Yellow is corrupted as well since every joblot containing a pokemon gb game is always fucked.

>>10797547
Games that are actually rare will still be expensive and likely go up in value. Most games that sold 100,000+ copies or more will go down in price once interest in the console declines.

>>10797547
I'm only just now getting back into the western market, but it feels like NES and SNES games are starting to go back down. I started buying Famicom games back in 2019 because I remember NES prices getting absurd, and that was still pre-covid.
>Will I be able to buy mega drive games at two quid a pop like I used to
I don't think that'll ever happen again, even if prices do go back down. For online shopping specifically, I could see $10-$15 being the floor for anything that's not sports or edutainment. This anon (>>10797819) is right. My dad used to sell things on ebay back in 2015 and things were significantly different.
>can't use paypal anymore, have to link a bank account
>fees and shipping rates are higher
and specifically for the US, they keep trying to force you to report taxes if you profit over $600 in a year (down from $20,000/year) but it looks like that change keeps getting delayed. They've done everything they can to get rid of the individual seller and push full-scale businesses. Ebay in particular is never going to be dirt cheap anymore unless you get lucky.

>>10798068
Some might be worth less, some might be worth more. That's like 11 bucks USD. It's not that bad, obviously not a steal on the other hand.

>>10797930
half life is one of the ones i was sure to pick up when i got my ps2 cause it was only 17 bucks and it has seemed to jump to like 3 times that

>>10797837
Yeah I know what you mean, it's like garage sales and car boot sales - people have cottoned on to it. But you still can find the odd bargain every now and again, I picked up blood omen for ps1 for £7 about 4 years ago from there as it was bundled with a load of other games and the seller didn't have a clue as they called Pong "Boug". I just picked up a complete copy of Silpheed for the mega cd for £19 today too, not super cheap but a lot cheaper than all the other listing's on the site

>>10798495
What site?

Whens the bubble poppin already?

>>10798495
>I just picked up a complete copy of Silpheed for the mega cd for £19 today too
Isn't that normally expensive?

>>10798595
We're seeing a dip as we speak. It'll never be back to 2014 or earlier prices but it is slowly settling down. At least it's not shooting up anymore. That said, now that pricecharting exists and regional pricing evaporated, its too easy for anyone to ask top dollar for anything they're selling. That inherently keeps prices high since there's no incentive to sell for a bargain out of convenience.

>>10797846
That's not bad. I'm pretty sure I payed around 100 for that same MD2+MCD2 combo like 15 years ago.

>>10797597
Yeah, but we have to deal with 50hz which sucks and the fact that most games never got released here. Handhelds are kind of excluded with this though.

>>10798593
Ebay

>>10798723
I'm not sure, doing a quick search on ebay I think the cheapest buy it now is around £35 but can't remember the condition, but average seems a between £40 - £50 with some pushing their luck for higher.

>>10799103
Good rule of thumb for UK buyers is to check the CeX price. That's what most eBay sellers seem to base their prices on.

>>10797547
As long as the people who consumed these products in their youth are alive the prices will be high. If you are looking for a good deal on mass media memorabilia, can I interest you in some Sergeant Preston of the North-West and Blue Beetle memorabilia?

$130 is a fair price for pokemon crystal
$325 is a fair price for a cib NES
$325 is a fair price for cib Conker's BFD
$65 is a fair price for Pokemon Stadium 2

>>10799158
No game is worth more than retail price

>>10799158
okay joey

>>10799178
You are demonstrably wrong. Value is determined by markets, not your beliefs, wishes, or fever dreams.

>>10799187
Didn't ask

>>10799158
Most of this collector market will survive in the games people put on some weird pedestal as rare or collectable. Pokemon always sells a lot but few people resell them so that is why they stay high. NES will lose price when Gen X and Millennials start to die.

The market has stabilized and compared to years ago. I usually use Mario 3 as a base for that. When I started collecting it was at $10. A few years ago it got to $30. Now it is around $20 on average, depending on the seller. We also have the shifting time scale of nostalgia buyers rebuying their youths.

The most interesting thing to me will be the Chinese bootlegs and their effect on the market. People already blindly buy the garbage "1000 or classic games" ones and people on here have no shortage of quality emulation handhelds to pick from. There has also been some major improvements on reproduction and bootleg carts. Which will take another chunk of people out of buying authentic games for just playing for fun and no explicitly collecting. So even with the rate of games dying/being lost in some way, we have a market being replenished. So eventually you will only have the most strict people and collectors buying original games. I have no idea what that market will look like.

>>10797547
>selling games as a lot
99.98% sports titles

>>10799209
If I had the money I would just buy every sports game I could from retro game stores so when people walked in they could see how actually empty they were right away.

the game market will collapse when the housing market collapses (kek)

>>10799227
>buy sports games
>flash the rom chip with a good game
>slap on a new label
>profit

>>10799237
I like the way you think anon

$70 is a fair price for Double Dash
$100 is a fair price for cib RE Director's Cut non dualshock version
$60 is a fair price for MGS ps1 black label
$150 is a fair price for a Game Gear
$120 is a fair price for a gamecube
$120 is a fair price for an n64
$200 is a fair price for a funtastic green n64 w/exp pak

>>10797547
>Buy consoles and flashcarts
>Ignore original games
That's literally it. Or just emulate.

>>10797547
You owned nothing and now you are crying
Kill yourself

the real answer is to buy the games people aren't nostalgic for and that haven't been memed

>>10799249
Why would you bother buying a console, and then buy a flashcart? That's just... a cart filled with an .iso dump, or a .rom, whatever. They manufactured a cartridge and dumped a PC file onto it. What's the point? Just so you can play on a console? Just so it can easily connect to a CRT?

>>10799249
anon, it's just not the same if you don't open the present on christmas morning and hold the brand new authentic game in your hand and your mom and dad are still alive and they're not ashamed of you yet

>>10799280
So the ROMs can run on original hardware?

>>10799276
so just buy shitty games? i don't know if you're aware, but taste in games tend to grow when you play more and more games. nobody who's been around to block wants to waste their time playing shovelware.

>>10799156
Except that's not true outside of America. Its very weird that Americans are driving up Japanese prices more than actual Japanese people are.

>>10797547
The price crash already happened. The problem is retro gaming has become too popular now due to modern games being absolute dogshit, tons of youtubers shilling the shit out of it, and piracy with older consoles being a taboo topic on so many parts of the internet. That being said I've found some old PS2 games for like $15 that were pretty good. Just depends on the game and how much of a hipster bait game it is.

>>10799287
you act like anything that's not on everybody's top 10 list is shovelware. expand your horizons a little

>>10799302
NTA, but most canonical titles are pretty affordable desu. It's the niche stuff that's kinda pricey. Not complaining, I still happily buy the stuff. Just pointing out that my experience definitely differs from yours.

>>10799298
>tons of youtubers shilling the shit out of it
I think about this and how it has to have an expiration date simply because their audience is limited to aging Millennials and Zoomers. Gen Alpha is not going to be watching a 50+ year old MetalJesusRocks. And its VERY unlikely their e-celebs will be talking about NES games. If you look at the oldest generation of gaming YouTubers, guys like AVGN are nowhere near as popular as they used to be.

>>10799329
I think the problem is millenials and zoomers are going to be around a long time and millenials will inherit their parents' fortunes. A lot of them are dinks and with that influx of cash and no kids will just throw it all into entertainment, for some that will be expensive retro games and hardware.

>>10799349
>A lot of them are dinks and with that influx of cash and no kids will just throw it all into entertainment, for some that will be expensive retro games and hardware.
This is exactly what I plan on doing, yeah. Moreso than I already am.

Most millennials don't have rich parents. They just have parents that are comparatively rich by virtue of home ownership and because millennials are astonishingly poor.

>>10799203
Damn you lost this one eh
Nta btw

>>10799187
Markets can be manipulated though. Look at the self-dealing and collusion currently going on with WATA and Heritage Auctions. They're being sued over it.

>>10799472
>Markets can be manipulated though.
In no way shape or form does this invalidate what I said. Market valuation, even when based on false-pretenses, is still the determining factor of somethings value in a capitalist society. X was valued by the market at Y. Then, new information about X came to light and now the market values X at Z instead of Y.

>>10799286
>>So the ROMs can run on original hardware?
this
im not sure why some people are so obtuse on this point, but if i wanted to play on original hardware i'll get the hardware
if the games are cheap then ill get the games too, otherwise ill look into the cheapest way of playing said games

>>10799109
Oh yeah forgot about them thanks! Sometimes they are the slightly cheaper ones, or loads cheaper depending on the game. I've had so many bargains from them over the years, you just have to hold your breath in the stores in the summer as they usually stink of smash players

>>10799329
Yeah, they will probably be talking about Roblox or Pokémon Go. So some freemium game on PC or mobile. I don't think they will have the ability to push through a 16 bit game when there's plenty of games they've already played that give them less resistance.

>>10799280
>Why would you bother buying a console, and then buy a flashcart?
Because he's not a fucktard who thinks a ROM is a "PC file"?

>>10797547
It’s a generational thing. Prices will drop when the intended audience die out, as zoomers don’t care for that pile of shit. Problem is, by that time, the electronics components in these old console/cartridges will die out too.

>>10799298
>piracy with older consoles being a taboo topic
Wat.

Is gen Z that retarded?

What are the chances of finding Probotector for Mega Drive in a car boot sale?

>>10799709
nta, but there seems to be a dichotomy from what i can see on youtube where one side completely swears off piracy, whereas the other takes the piracy or bust stance

>>10797558
You're right.

Kill resalers. Behead resalers. Roundhouse kick all resalers into the concrete. Slam dunk a resalers baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy resalers. Defecate in a resalers food. Launch resalers into the sun. Stir fry resalers in a wok. Toss resalers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a resalers gas tank. Judo throw resalers into a wood chipper. Twist resalers heads off. Report resalers to the IRS. Karate chop resalers in half. Curb stomp pregnant resalers. Trap resalers in quicksand. Crush resalers in the trash compactor. Liquefy resalers in a vat of acid. Eat resalers. Dissect resalers. Exterminate resalers in the gas chamber. Stomp resalers skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate resalers in the oven. Lobotomize resalers. Mandatory abortions for resalers. Grind resalers fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown resalers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize resalers with a ray gun. Kick old resalers down the stairs. Feed resalers to alligators. Slice resalers with a katana.

>>10799553
All those GaaS things and mobile games likely be dead or delisted by the time zoomers hit middle age

>>10799906
Haven't a bunch of GaaS things died already? Battleborn?

>>10797617

>>10799926
Yes, many

>>10799938
And these stupid nigger zoomers are okay with that?

>>10799935
Yep I do. Doesn't always work like with nes as the cpu clock timings run out of sync (final fantasy 2 sounds like someone is slowing the music down on purpose like they have their finger on the platter of a turntable) but I have other hardware if it gets to me that much (most of the time it doesnt). Most hardware is the same though and can be multi region with a simple mod or adaptor

Nintendo games like NES-GC, even when the boomers, genx and millennials die off, will still be worth money because they are timeless. They will continue to be sought after and collected and held as trophies and pieces of history. They will still be played 100 years from now.

>>10799935
I have a 60hz switch modded Mega Drive and a Japanese Saturn and they run pretty much all my PAL games at full speed, unless they were optimized for 50hz

why should the prices go down? the "normalfags" and "zoomers" want to collect the games, they are no different to you OP. there's a high demand and a low supply. what's it going to take to make everyone on /vr/ stop wanting to coomlect games from their childhood?

>>10800481
Really it’s because Nintendo has had consistent branding since 1990 and is still around promoting those same brands and characters and bringing customers in as children with new games. Truly the Disney of the business

>>10800481
>>10800491
>samefag

>>10800492
What's amazing is how they've convinced normalfags that the original NES and N64 were super popular in the UK.

During the NES's time, even the Master System was doing better and IIRC it was the Master System was doing better in most of Europe as well.

>>10800540
Nobody cares about the UK. NES is the best, and the young kids should know and be playing that to learn from history, not the master system. That's like after you've explored the NES libary.

>>10800540
N64 was super popular where I lived.
Mega Drive>N64>PS2
Were pretty much the go to consoles for every kid I knew growing up, never saw a SNES or NES.

>>10800556
>N64 was super popular where I lived.
Even when you could chip the PSX? To this day I'm not sure if I regret getting the N64 over the PSX. Almost everybody I knew got a PSX because you could chip it.

(I would've gotten a Saturn if I knew it existed at the time. For some reason the Saturn had minimal adverts on tv.)

sometimes I create fake ebay auctions and buy them with my alternate accounts just to keep the prices inflating due to sales which never actually took place

>>10800570
Lived is smallish town and didn't have the local weird guy who would chip consoles until the PS2.

>>10800589
kek used to do that in MMOs all the time, was so easy to manipulate economies

>>10800589
There's no world where losing 12.5% in eBay fees to marginally raise the average sold listing price is a better idea than just buying more games and waiting a few years for the next price spike.

>>10799109
>>10799537
I've found that CEX can sometimes act as a pricing baseline for shitty marketplace sellers to bloat prices.

>>10800617
>game sold for $0.01 + $14,999 shipping and handling

>>10800625
Fees are owed on the sticker price + shipping. It's not 2006 anymore, you fucking retard. You have never sold anything on eBay in your life lmao

>>10800636
lmao I suggest you educate yourself on scamming ebay

>>10800623
>I've found that CEX can sometimes act as a pricing baseline for shitty marketplace sellers to bloat prices.

I can't remember what year it was but as soon as CEX started matching "collector's prices" every single second hand shop raised the prices of their retro games, from Cash Converters to independent second hand shops. There was a game shop that had like 50 or so Super Mario Bros 1 NES cartridges and he was trying to sell them for £30 each.

I've been hearing "the crash is right around the corner, sell now because in a couple years it'll all be worthless" since 2011. Even stuff that theoretically should be cheaper since the people who had it as kids are much older now (Atari, Intellivision, etc) are pricier now than they've ever been. As long as they keep working as intended I don't see any sort of dramatic drop in value happening.

>>10799476
If you can't recognize qualifiers and nuance you're too retarded to be in this conversation. If you're unwilling to talk about price fixing when it's very literally in the courts as we speak you're revealed yourself as not worth talking to. Take you're oversimplified bullshit elsewhere.

SNES's only have about 5 years before they all die due to various part failures

>>10800774
>two more weeks

>>10800764
I'm willing to talk about price fixing. But at the end of the day, what metric is being manipulated when people engage in that behavior? Oh, yeah, that's right, the market valuation. Why are these grading and auction companies being sued? Because they engaged in the collectibles equivalent of a pump and dump. What does a pump and dump try to manipulate? The market valuation.

Where else do you suppose these things get their value from if not the market?

>>10800774
Just recap them and fix the power regulators. Should run for years apart from that. 5 years, lol

>>10800812
Most people won't even replace a dead battery let alone break out the soldering iron and recap a console. I recently bought a "dead" Mega CD 2 for next to nothing all that was wrong with it was a blown fuse, easy replacement and it works perfectly

>>10800790
I take issue with lumping price fixing with other metrics of market value because it's fundamentally outside the scope of properly functioning supply and demand. It'd be like factoring theft into "market value." Hey, I got it for free, right? So it's worth $0 in that transaction! You'd call bullshit on me for that and you'd be right to.

>>10800824
Nice. I've found you can replace the ancient 7805 power regulators in old consoles with a modern switching equivalent. They run cooler and more efficiently afterwards even if not period correct. But nobody looks inside the console.

In the SNES and NES, often the clock trim capacitor goes, so you get color issues, they're also a cheap and easy fix as is the pins on the front loader NES.

I also fix old CRT tv's, most of them that are working just need a calibration on the yoke, convergence ring setting and either service menu adjustments or magnets placed in specific areas of the tube. Sometimes the ultor or anode cap needs greasing as well or a tune with the G2 voltage.

I should really get into it as a hustle. I've found buying smaller tv's in rural areas/small towns and selling them in cities seems to work after calibration and repair. But it has to be worthwhile for all the gas to collect them and deliver so I usually do bulk trips or if I'm going somewhere anyway.

>>10800824
>I recently bought a "dead" Mega CD 2 for next to nothing all that was wrong with it was a blown fuse, easy replacement and it works perfectly
You lie. Somewhere between 2014 and 2020, people started selling dead/broken retro consoles at outrageous prices. Before I could get broken retro consoles in 5s and 10s for something like £50. Now they're basically asking for £200-400.

>>10800843
I'm not lying, there are still deals out there anon. I can post pictures of it and the replacement fuse I installed if you don't believe me.
>Now they're basically asking for £200-400.
I don't know where you're buying stuff from but you can get a fully functional Mega CD 2 for under £150

>>10800859
>but you can get a fully functional Mega CD 2 for under £150
I meant the bundles of "for parts/untested" consoles that they used to sell for super cheap on Ebay.

>>10800812
third party power supplies will fry them and so will oem ones since they go bad and people dont fix them. also using the ejection lever cracks traces on the pcb.

>>10800864
Oh right, but
>eBay
Yeah it's been awful for years, besides the ocasional auction I don't bother with it

>>10800827
>I take issue with lumping price fixing with other metrics of market value because it's fundamentally outside the scope of properly functioning supply and demand.
Price fixing is not a "metric of market value". I don't even know what you mean by "metric of market value". "Market value" is itself a metric which is informed by factors such as supply, demand, buyer attitudes, legislation, and, yes, market manipulation. That doesn't make market manipulation a legitimate practice, but it does have influence on the only metric that actually matters for determining price.

Collectibles already do not follow traditional laws of supply and demand. They're bona fide Veblen goods.

>It'd be like factoring theft into "market value." Hey, I got it for free, right? So it's worth $0 in that transaction!
If you think I'm saying "one person bought Super Mario Bros for $2m, therefore it's worth $2m", I guess I've communicated my point poorly. Goods are worth market value, regardless of your individual price paid. If you don't believe me, try gifting 50oz of gold that you, personally, value at $0 to a family member. See what the IRS does. Alternatively, a person buying an ounce of gold for $100k doesn't magically make it worth any more than market value. But if gold starts consistently selling at no less than ~$100k an oz, regardless of any market manipulation shenanigans, gold is $100k an oz.

Also, I have to point out that graded games have virtually no impact on the price of ungraded games. If you're one of 20 people who are upset because you wanted a WATA 10 copy of SMB before the prices were jacked up, I'm sorry, I guess. But there's virtually no market manipulation in the open-box market - the one most people engage with - so this whole point is pretty moot.

>>10800874
It's not too bad if you're willing to check saved searches a few times a day, and lowball every seller taking offers. I tend to get everything 20-40% below average sold that way.

>>10797547
Never. Classic video games are stamps/coins/baseball cards for millennials.

>>10799472
If people pay for it, that's what it's worth. All it takes is one idiot taking the bait.

>>10800540
In the 80s and 90s, fewer games were sold in PAL regions than in the state of California. There's a reason why countries like the UK and Germany had such robust game development industries back then; because nobody ever bothered to export anything there because it wasn't worth the hassle. It's also why games sold there weren't localised as heavily as games in the US were. Hidden blessing.

>>10797806
Because Europeans only play autism simulators and arena shooters, and the Japanese are even more consumerist than Americans so refuse to play anything more than three years old. Average Euro has never even seen an N64 in person before, and the average Jap thinks Mario 64 is "just some old game; Odyssey is better because it's newer".

>>10797547
I've noticed that resale prices go down a bit when they rerelease older games on newer platforms, such as online game stores or those emulated consoles (Classic NES, etc.).

>>10797547
>So...there going to be a retro games price crash soon?
You fuckers have been asking this since the board's inception. People were asking this before the board was made. A crash is never going to happen at best prices will dip slightly. You missed out. Get over it and coomlect for a more recent gen before those take off and yes they will despite what naysayers claim.

>>10798217
Tax reporting is a federal law, not an ebay thing. They're required to do it.
PayPal also requires a bank account..so what's the difference.
Shipping rates are set by the carriers.
Ebay does suck and the fees are high but you're mostly complaining about shit they don't control or doesn't really matter.

>>10799109
Ebay prices are based on Ebay SOLD listings. The best historical reference for that is pricecharting.

>>10801251
>Get over it and coomlect for a more recent gen before those take off and yes they will despite what naysayers claim.
I can see niche games stuck on 7th gen hardware like Asura's Wrath and Lost Odyssey hitting a hundred bucks or so. But I have a hard time believing we're going to see $20 or $30 copies of flagship 7th gen titles like Halo 3 or Modern Warefare 2 (as is currently the case on a lot of older systems). I'm currently taking a break from retro stuff to hoard 360 games, so I'd love to be wrong. I just don't see it happening. Maybe I'm exacerbating differences at the expense of the numerous and obvious similarities, but I see so much stacked against the 7th gen that it seems pretty dead in the water to me, outside of the aforementioned isolated cases.

>>10799158
Some of those numbers are insane.
I scored a loose copy of Pokemon Gold for $20 in 2020, confirmed it works and even had a good battery. In retrospect, it MAY be a repro but I have seen no signs of that.
Same year $30 for Stadium on N64.
Shit, back in 2018 I picked up a complete set of Xenosaga 1-3 US copies, listing said "complete" but 1 was missing a manual, for just $100.
Things have just gotten extra shitty the last few years and those prices you listed are so far from fair.

>>10801308
People said the same thing as you about sixth gen. Then the same thing about seventh gen. With eighth gen in particular there have been a ton of niche physical releases to some games especially in regard to JRPGs that will inevitably catch on.

>>10797547
Another day, another poorfag complaining about money.

>>10797547
I hope so. I'm not buying another 32X for $200

>>10799280
do you know what game cartridges are?

>>10799290
not weird at all, the Japanese don't give a shit and more importantly, they don't have space. In America some IT or engineering autist who's single and lives outside of the US coast can have well above 1500sqft easily, with nothing to put in it besides games. Go somewhere like videogamesage and look at the collectors forum. There are people with original store displays and shelving, people with a home arcade and multiple console fullsets. America is probably the greatest place on earth to be a shit hoarding consumption whore.

>>10799772
the no piracy group is just afraid of getting demonetized, they slave on shittube for a paycheck.

>>10799926
very many, I was pissed when Facebook killed echo arena. Then again you can't expect anything good from them, aside from Zuckerberg throwing shitttons of cash at improving vr tech they are worthless, no concept of lasting products.

>>10799942
they have no power, and the ones who care about keeping old games alive don't care about mobage

I kind of get it though, I see kids who want to buy systems I grew up with. When I was their age I wanted stuff older than me too. Feel bad they will have to spend so much on them. At least they have flashcarts and solid emulators. Frankly everyone should emulate and/or buy flashcarts. No one should buy the overpriced originals. If collectors want to throw away money then let them. It's all roms in a case in the end.

>>10797547
>>10801316
I KNOW WHAT I GOT! RARE NO LOW BALLERS!

>>10797547
8.7 pounds per game isn't a bad deal.

>>10801310
He just copy-pasted price charting prices. Gold was a $20 game in 2020. Now it's more like $50-$60. Pokemon Stadium is still a $30 game. Stadium 2 is $65. You might not like it, but his numbers are the current market value.

>>10801313
Yeah, I get that. I try not to bet against trends since you usually lose those bets (hence why I'm churning through my 360 wishlist as fast as I can). Still, with just how multiplayer focused the generation was, the ubiquity of PC ports which range from "good" to "outright superior" (which also, often, have dedicated-server based multiplayer), and the truly massive print runs on most of the notable titles all make me a bit weary.

Can't comment on the 8th gen bit. I quit following new releases after AA's died in the late 2000s.

>>10801336
Post a sold listing, retard.

>>10801310
they're actual prices from my local stores

>>10801341
>>10801353
Just because they're real prices doesn't mean they're fair prices or reasonable. I haven't bought retro stuff in a while because the market fucking lost its mind.

>>10801341
>mint condition like new*
>butthurt reseller
>extremely common game that sold millions of copies.
>BUT ITS RARE OFFICIAL BOOTLEG REPRODUCTION NINTENDO I KNOW WHAT I HAVE NO LOW BALLERS!
get a real job retard. thank god roms are free so I dont have to give you scammer scalpers my money. no low ballers.

>>10801372
next you'll be telling me thats a good price.

>>10799207

Thats why if you're going to buy high end cart games you should buy through an app like goodiez that will actually inspect and verify the game before you get it so you dont get a repro

>>10801359
There's no such thing as an "unfair" market value. If you, personally, value these things less than their current asking price, continue doing what you're already doing and avoid the market entirely. A misalignment between your personal valuation of an item and the markets asking price is not evidence of "unfairness". Personally, I don't have any issue with the current market. Prices would have to triple on average before I'd step away to focus on another hobby. If that day comes, I'm not going to complain about how "unfair" it is that other people value something more than I do.

>>10801372
I'm a collector, not a reseller. And by all means, emulate. I don't care.

>>10801374
That's a good price.

>>10801380
Repros are currently really bad. Anyone invested enough to be spending hundreds on a single cart should be able to identify them without much effort. If you're really paranoid, get a jeweler's loupe and take an afternoon to study the printing patterns on authentic labels.

$150 dollars is a fair price for a pokemon emerald copy that looks like it was dragged across 10 miles of gravel (w/ new battery EXPERT REPAIR, VERY DIFFICULT)

>>10799240
>$200 is a fair price for a funtastic green n64 w/exp pak
So ludicrous. I got one in 2016 for $60.

>>10801395
The game averages $210. So, yeah, I'd say a stickerless copy for ~25% off is a good price. It's probably worth closer to $175-$185.

I don't understand why poor people always complain about money. If can't afford the game just emulate it. The very fact that you're using this website tells us that you have a device which is more than capable of emulating most (if not all) vr systems. I really don't care how much cartridges sell for. I love mine, but if I wasn't able to afford them I would just download RetroArch like a normal person.

>>10801292
>Tax reporting is a federal law, not an ebay thing.
I should've been clearer, because when I said "they" in my post, I meant the government. That was my mistake.
>PayPal also requires a bank account..so what's the difference.
It definitely doesn't. Or at least, it didn't used to. My dad never linked a bank account to his Paypal and used to just use the funds as a reserve to buy other stuff. It was entirely isolated from any bank account.
>Shipping rates are set by the carriers.
Yeah, I didn't mean to blame Ebay for that. I initially wrote my post as a "these are some factors non-sellers might not consider" and ended up pivoting it into a "ebay is fucking sellers over" post by the end. I should've separated those out into two separate paragraphs.

>>10801418
Its called common sense. The prices are not affordable to anyone anymore GATEKEEPER. Im not poor but am also not dumb enough to pay inflated scalper prices. Seems like nobody has sense anymore. nobody is going to pay for that shit unless you're trying to make an investment which is what fucked up all the prices. You can still make a profit without price gouging unless you already overpaid some stupid ridiculous price.

>>10801418
I don't think it has much to do with wealth. Most lower-middle class Americans can afford to put together a nice retro game collection, including a few multi-hundred dollar capstone pieces. The hobby, even with today's prices, is still very, very accessible in the grand scheme of things. I honestly think most highly-defensive emulator purists are just flabbergasted at the idea that someone might like video games enough to needlessly spend large sums of money on them. People who have minimal contact with original hardware tend to be casuals. That's why most discussion on this board revolves around the same 150 critically acclaimed games, and that's why everyone on this board has a meltdown whenever you suggest that the current retro gaming market isn't literally evil.

>>10801435
eBay actually gives you a sizeable discount for purchasing shipping through them these days.

Also, kind of pedantic, but in your first post you said you get reported to the IRS once you've passed $600 in profits. It's worse than that. It's $600 in total sales.

>>10801418
You can waste $300 on a fucked up copy of Pokemon and act like you're right because "m-m-muh money", you're still an idiot.

>>10800540
What's amazing is that you imagine anyone cares about shit you imagine.

>>10801443
>eBay actually gives you a sizeable discount for purchasing shipping through them these days.
Oh really? That's good to know. That might explain how I've seen people sell ~$10 games with free shipping.
>It's worse than that. It's $600 in total sales.
Christ, that's terrible. I didn't realize it was that bad.

>>10801443
>People who have minimal contact with original hardware tend to be casuals.
why do you act like most people didnt had constant contact with real hardware since emulating got more and more popular especially because price got high on a lot of games so a lot of these more expensive games are mostly experienced through emulation or at the very least alternative means like flashcart and ODE or hdd for ps2.
why the fuck would i buy a 500$ copy of rule of rose or whatevere just to play it and risk my slim ps2 fucking up the disc out of nowhere and oops guess ill just have to buy another 500$ copy,the people paying those prices are collector and they dont play those games and are in fact the true casual,mere hylic materialists in its most basic form.

>>10801418
I could be the richest person on earth but I would still not want to pay out of the ass for something that I think the price is unfair for. It's called human dignity.

>>10801489
This is really rambling, bordering on being an incoherent non-sequitur, but I'll do my best.

>why do you act like most people didnt had constant contact with real hardware
Just look at any of the threads about emulation on this board. Mention that you prefer real hardware and you'll get some dork spouting a stock reddit line like "laughs in emulation". Come on, bro, this one isn't up for debate.

>a lot of these more expensive games are mostly experienced through emulation or at the very least alternative means like flashcart and ODE or hdd for ps2.
That's fine. I'm happy people can enjoy these games for free.

>why the fuck would i buy a 500$ copy of rule of rose
There is no rational argument I can give you for spending hundreds of dollars on a game which you can get an approximate experience of for free via emulation. If you have to ask this question, collecting just isn't for you. And that's fine. Emulate. Enjoy yourself. I'm happy for you.

>the people paying those prices are collector and they dont play those games
As a higher end collector who spends a lot of time with other collectors: you're wrong. I frequently buy and play multi-hundred dollar games on real hardware. Most serious collectors I know do the same.

went by a collectables store today (bunch of star wars shit) and they had a snes in box for 600.

Good or bad price?

>>10801540
600 what? 600 pesos? possibly if its not fake.

>>10801552
600 dollary doos (american)

>>10801535
>There is no rational argument I can give you for spending hundreds of dollars on a game which you can get an approximate experience of for free via emulation.
yea just like i get an approximate experience of a book when reading an ebook lmao,and of course you cant you arent a rational being obviously since you consider mass produce CDs and cartridge to have some transcendental magic properties.

>>10801561
Hard to say. The boxed console market is extremely condition sensitive. Compare it to sold listings on eBay to get a better idea.

Wow, that's my worst phoneposting fuckup yet.

>>10801570
Meant for
>>10801561

>>10801561
awful price, first of all you dont need the box and secondly it should only cost ~$250 anyways and thirdly the capacitors are probably all busted and leaked all over the board and it will cost you probably another $300 to fix it if its not beyond repair. and you'll also have to replace the cap in the power supply too cause it's probably bad and will fry the motherfucker. also also the chips could be bad and that would also cost $300 or more to get unfucked.

>>10801561
hahaha fuck no. i wouldn't pay more than $60 for a snes.

>>10801570
>yea just like i get an approximate experience of a book when reading an ebook
If you think the difference between playing Ocarina of Time on CRT with an N64 controller and a flatpanel computer monitor with an xbox 360 controller is in any way shape or form comparable to reading a physical book vs an eBook, you might be retarded, ESL-kun.

>you arent a rational being obviously since you consider mass produce CDs and cartridge to have some transcendental magic properties.
Of course I'm not a rational being. I'm a human with my own subjective preferences, not a computer. I don't think that carts and CDs are magic. I simply prefer real hardware, and I have the money to actualize my preference.

>>10801584
>If you think the difference between playing Ocarina of Time on CRT with an N64 controller and a flatpanel computer monitor with an xbox 360 controller is in any way shape or form comparable to reading a physical book vs an eBook, you might be retarded, ESL-kun.
again completely ignore flashcart,that gives the same crt real controller experience,and anyway i play PC games not bing bong wahoo.

>>10801607
>again completely ignore flashcart,that gives the same crt real controller experience
Playing on a flashcart is not emulation, which is what we were talking about, friend. But, yes, using flashcarts provides an identical experience to using original carts. I don't care. Despite owning numerous flashcarts myself, I still like to collect originals.

>anyway i play PC games not bing bong wahoo.
I'm happy that you've found what works for you.

>>10801437
>You're a gatekeeper for encouraging me to play games
Try again, retard.
>>10801443
>Most lower-middle class Americans can afford to put together a nice retro game collection, including a few multi-hundred dollar capstone pieces.
Then why do we always have threads of poorfags complaining about getting priced out?
>>10801446
If you adjust for inflation, that's only $30 in 2002 money.
>>10801490
k

>>10801658
>Then why do we always have threads of poorfags complaining about getting priced out?
They're not actually priced out, they just feel like they are because they prioritize alcohol and DoorDash over video games. They have an idea in their minds of what these games are worth to them, and that number is lower than what they actually cost. That's not to say they can't afford it - they easily could by adjusting their priorities and doing a bit of financial planning - it just means they feel it's not worth the money to them, and they mistake that feeling for being "priced out".

>>10801251
>Get over it and coomlect for a more recent gen before those take off and yes they will despite what naysayers claim.
This may legitimately not happen though based on current buying trends. A report came out that kids literally don't want new games.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/11/28/kids-dont-want-video-games-xmas-want-ps-plus-subscriptions-19893946/amp/

If they aren't interested in current gen games as opposed to in-game currency for a handful of GAAS, then the kind of nostalgia that drives older generations to collect is never going to form for them. Pretty sure Gen Alpha doesn't see a point in physical media period.

>>10801665
Nta, but nice post.

>>10801665
I mean, what counts as "priced out" depends on your priorities regardless, right? It doesn't require that games be so expensive people could empty their savings and still not have enough. If games just got more expensive at a rate that out paces their own wealth accumulation then they could reasonably say they've been priced out. Now to be fair, this has been happening with EVERYTHING, not just games. But clearly if you're watching prices skyrocket for everything and your income has barely moved then games will be, and should be, among the first things to get cut out.

>>10801718
Thanks :^)

>>10801727
>I mean, what counts as "priced out" depends on your priorities regardless, right? It doesn't require that games be so expensive people could empty their savings and still not have enough.
I really don't like this framing. To me, "priced out" is a very strong term that implies a kind of helplessness. It literally takes away the agency from the person in question - they're "priced out" (removed from the market by something they have no control over - price) not "prioritiesed out" (removed from the market by something they do have control over - priorities). I see it as meaning something to the effect of "no matter how I re-arrange my finances, I will never be able to afford this thing". Usually when people use the term, they're also gesturing at some sort of perceived unfairness. When millennials say they're "priced out" of the housing market, they're not saying "if I just quit buying avocado toast, I could afford a home". There's a desperation to it. That's my reading, anyways. By my measure, the only people who are priced out of the market are the global poor.

>But clearly if you're watching prices skyrocket for everything and your income has barely moved then games will be, and should be, among the first things to get cut out.
I agree. If you're at or bellow a subsistence living, I think you can fairly describe yourself as having been priced out of the market. I just don't think that applies to almost anyone complaining about the price of video games online. Most of us are lucky enough to live in countries where the idea of an "entertainment budget" is a given, no matter how small that may be.

I'm an American. We spend about $3,500 eating out per year on average. That's a copy and a half of Chrono Trigger a month. I think my initial claim that "most lower-middle class Americans can afford to put together a nice retro game collection, including a few multi-hundred dollar capstone pieces" is a really fair one in light of this.

>>10801750
>I'm an American. We spend about $3,500 eating out per year on average. That's a copy and a half of Chrono Trigger a month. I think my initial claim that "most lower-middle class Americans can afford to put together a nice retro game collection, including a few multi-hundred dollar capstone pieces" is a really fair one in light of this.
So your suggestion is that people should stop eating food so they can buy three copies of Chrono Trigger every two months.
Kek

>>10801758
No. I'm saying you can't consider yourself "priced out of the retro games market" if your overpaying for food by 300% as a part of your entertainment budget on a magnitude of several hundred dollars a month. But you already knew that's exactly what I meant.

>>10797806
ACHKTUALLY the reason a lot of european games are cheaper is because they run at 50Hz and people naturally want the 60Hz versions.

>>10799109
sometimes CEX can actually be significantly cheaper than ebay listings.
that being said, they reprint covers, don't tell you if it comes with a manual or not and are more than willing to send you a rancid copy of a game soaked in suspicious looking stains and with a torn case, other times it's practically new.
so it's up to you.

>>10800750
>as intended I don't see any sort of dramatic drop in value happening.
the only REAL crash will happen when whatever it is you're selling stops working.
Consoles have started to die and eventually every market will be reduced to hyper fan's who are keeping original hardware alive through their own means / maintenance.
even then games will probably still sell for high prices due to the scarcity of them.
obviously anyone who enjoys just playing games will download and play them for free and anyone who feel's the need to collect will be happy to fork over the occasional $500 - 700 every few months or once a year to buy whatever it is they want.
it isn't really that expensive within the realm of hobbies when you look at it on a larger scale.

>>10801310
blue dragon shot up in price immediately after toriyama's death and that shit used to sell for like $15 until then.
so yeah it's already starting.

Just buy a flash cart. I have hundreds of retro game carts and as soon as I got a flash cart my interest in collecting for those systems stopped.

Honestly at this point if you are a purist get OG hardware consoles and megadrives or ODEs.

The prices aren't worth it. I have a Saturn and almost didn't buy one because of how insane game prices are on it, but then got one with an ODE so play whatever I want just like it was in the 90s.

Prices should be higher than they are.

>>10801968
What the fuck, I was looking at buying that literally a few days before he died and now it’s 3x the price

i got my sealed copy of psychic assassin taromaru in 2014 for 50$
got musha for 125$ last year
idk collectin seems fine, shit's retarded pricey but that's supply n demand

>>10801418
>I don't understand why poor people always complain about money.
I hope you get raped.

>I would just download RetroArch like a normal person.
I hope you fall down some stairs. I promise you most millennial normalfags do not give a shit about playing old games beyond a few beloved ones that were already mass produced. They're fucking up the retro market because they want to cash in their RARE (COMPLETELY DESTROYED) games at ridiculous prices.

>>10802109
Prices are that high because people are willing to pay them.

>>10801750
I think we can be lenient with terminology because people aren't usually economists or linguists. They're using the language they know to convey something and context clues do the majority of the heavy lifting. The fact that we're talking about video games as opposed to housing soothes the direness of the language. Nobody is going to be genuinely up shit's creek if they can't collect SNES games anymore. But I do think the fact that such a thing is happening infuriates people because video games were supposed to be the escape. People are being squeezed in every area of their lives and now even their respites are joining in the abuse. It's not that different from how much it costs to go to a baseball game. Even if you buy the shittiest tickets, once you factor in parking and food you feel like you're getting abused just for the crime of wanting to take your kids to watch a game. Yes, it's a luxury. But it's not a yacht. It's a "normal" luxury that used to be way more accessible.

I also don't think it's all unconnected, either. Video games rising in price, even as much as they have, wouldn't make people so salty if they weren't watching themselves get poorer every day. Nobody would be complaining about $100 SNES games if their incomes were in lockstep with inflation. That's why it's very nuanced when people point at decades past and how "expensive" gaming used to be. Yes, SNES games could cost upwards $80 brand new. But the cost of living was waaaaay more manageable. People point at the Simpsons as being hilariously unattainable today where a guy could raise a family of five as the sole breadwinner. When you get squeezed at the on gas and then on housing and then in the supermarket, video games being ANOTHER thing you're eating shit on and have to forego because it's a luxury is just a needless kick in the dick.

TL;DR - the arguments about video game prices are really a proxy argument for the amount of shit people are being forced to eat in general.

>>10801968
>>10802035
This kind of thing is ACTUALLY a bubble, though. It's no different than the Alien Resurrection price jump after MVG did a video about it.

>>10801968
>it's real
I anticipated that happening with the DQ games if anything, but color me surprised that prices haven't budged on those for the ones I've checked. Seems random for BD of all games to be the one to get hit with a price bubble.
What about Chrono Trigger?

>>10801968
Seems to only affect the US, in europe the prices seem to be the same. Maybe some resellers bought up the supply as his death happend or maybe just inflated the price to try and exploit his death. Either way it looks like what happend is exclusive to america.

>>10802308
Looks like CT is effected to, the ds version for example jumped from 62 to 80 this month. Dragon quest seems to be stable. Maybe DQ isn't popular enough for there to be enough data.

>>10802324
To add to blue dragon it looks like during the initial days of Toriyama's death reveal a large amount of copies of the game were bought. On price charting 6 copies were bought in the last week compared to the two days after his death about 20 copies were bought. Maybe more were bought in that time period, but price charting only displays the 30 most recent sales.

>>10802137
You just know that the price will stabilize around $30 minimum though. Bubbles never pop completely, not in this market.

>>10802135
>TL;DR - the arguments about video game prices are really a proxy argument for the amount of shit people are being forced to eat in general.

That and the normalfags moving in on niches out of pure greed.

>>10802126
>this is good
Just like zoomers willing to put up with single player games that can't be played offline.

>>10802135
Pretty much. You have limited resources and you have to make more and more choices on what to cut every month. Being forced to give up things that you love out of necessity sucks.

>>10797547
You could actually just earn more money, I know. Hard concept.

>>10802357
It's not good or bad, you either pay the higher price, put the work in to get a good deal or fuck off. Crying won't stop richfags from just paying whatever.

>>10802375
>>10802428
You have to go back.

>>10802369
>Being forced to give up things that you love out of necessity sucks.
It wouldn't be so bad if there was a necessary reason for the prices to be so high, like it's even rarer now or units are starting to fail or something along those lines.

>>10802428
>It's not good or bad
It's definitively bad jew.


>>10802375
>jewberg

>>10802558
>>10802430
It's ok to admit that you were priced out.

>>10802335
It's not a surprise that Blue Dragon got hit with it more than anything else. It's a fairly obscure game. Most people haven't played it and know it only because it's Toriyama and all the former Squaresoft guys. Those inexpensive games people know of but never played will get more interest in the aftermath of the creator's death than a game like Chrono Trigger which everyone in this space would have played plenty of times already and likely owns a copy of. I wouldn't be surprised if Tobal No. 1 starts climbing over the next couple of months.

>>10802428
Theoretically theft is also an option.

>>10802369
>>10802558
I have a suspicion that the reason video game prices in America are going insane while the European and Japanese markets are relatively stable is paradoxically because Americans are shit ass broke. Movies and sports did pretty well during the Great Depression, for example. Batman and Superman came out in the lead up to World War II. Economic stress causes people to look for an escape. Seriously, it might sound wacky but if we want game prices to come down then we need to stop this dystopia where people go bankrupt over medical debt. Humans are funny that way. It's kind of a fight or flight response. If you legitimately don't believe you have an economic future because in the end you're going to be poor no matter what you do since you can't save fast enough to pay your way out and your employment and educational prospects are gradually fading, then of course you're just going to spend money on something that at least makes you feel joy in the moment. It's the equivalent of getting high. If I'm not going to be able to retire anyway then why should I plan for retirement? So I'm going to deprive myself of a minor luxury today in the hopes of...what? The confidence in the American Dream is probably at an all time low. NOBODY believes that shit anymore.

>>10801991
Chipmunk face

Not sure if it's better or worse then Hitomi monkey face.

Still would both

>>10802598
>I wouldn't be surprised if Tobal No. 1 starts climbing over the next couple of months.
>mfw I have to consider shifting purchasing priorities every time someone related to a game dies
Sometimes I hate being a collector. I know this isn't unique to video games but it always annoys me.

>>10802135
I think I agree with your diagnosis - general economic angst being misdirected towards inconsequential specifics like retro video game prices - but I don't share your impulse to be lenient towards inaccurate descriptions of one's economic reality. I think it's harmful not only to the discourse, but to the individuals speaking this way themselves. It's a manifestation of the same financial illiteracy that keeps most working-class people economically and politically ineffective. I think that should be addressed, not apologized for.

Nobody is being "squeezed" in the retro games market. The price hikes are not a "needless kick in the dick". Collectibles are finite, and they accumulate in fewer and fewer hands year over year. My buy to sell ratio is about 20:1. Even higher when it comes to expensive titles. This is not atypical among collectors, in my experience. Demand in this market is highly elastic. Prices are set to what buyer's are willing to pay. There's enough people like me, who value these things way more than they're currently worth, out there to keep prices as high as they are.

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for your average middle-class American. I'm not a particularly wealthy guy. I forgo a lot of "normal" luxuries in order to do what's important to me: invest, travel, and collect. I don't drink or smoke, I eat out maybe six times a year, I sold my car, I live in a cheaper apartment than I "need" to, I shop secondhand when it makes sense, and so on. I'm not complaining - I'm healthier, happier, and significantly more financially stable for making these changes. I think that's why the phrase "priced out" irks me so much in this context. It wreaks of entitlement. I put together my relatively sizeable collection while saving, investing, and traveling once or twice a year despite making less than my state's average salary. Most people reading this could do the same if they actually wanted to.

Thanks for your effortpost :^)

>>10802736
>Nobody is being "squeezed" in the retro games market. The price hikes are not a "needless kick in the dick". Collectibles are finite, and they accumulate in fewer and fewer hands year over year. My buy to sell ratio is about 20:1. Even higher when it comes to expensive titles. This is not atypical among collectors, in my experience. Demand in this market is highly elastic. Prices are set to what buyer's are willing to pay. There's enough people like me, who value these things way more than they're currently worth, out there to keep prices as high as they are.

I think you should take a long walk on short pier.

There are people in the retro games market who have no business being there other than profit.

>>10802745
>There are people in the retro games market who have no business being there other than profit.
Of course there are, I buy from them all the time :^)

In seriousness, there really aren't many these days. In 2021, back when everything was spiking, there were a lot of tourists flipping whatever they could find on eBay for easy tendies. Now that the market has cooled, it's just the usual garage sale trolls who also tend to also be collectors themselves. Regardless, I don't care what the sellers motivation is as long as the price is right. And because I personally value these things far higher than their current market value, the price'll probably be right for me for at least another decade or two.

>>10802736
>It's a manifestation of the same financial illiteracy that keeps most working-class people economically and politically ineffective.
This is bullshit though because it's not that people are economically and politically ineffective. It's that the politicians themselves are bought and paid for. It's not entitlement to point out that the deck is stacked. Yes, the only option is to try to fight through it and punch above your weight class to bring egalitarianism back into vogue but history has shown that process is not always smooth. Shit, if it goes particularly poorly it can be straight up bloody and nobody wants that. Getting snippy about people's "financial illiteracy" is the kind of salt in wound attitude that drives further ire. It's not quite "let them eat cake" talk but it's in that ballpark.

The reality is that if you can afford to invest, travel, and collect then you're either likely better off than "middle class" implies or part of the middle class that is increasingly going extinct. I'm not going to try to get in the weeds of your personal finances because that's largely irrelevant. The issue is that nobody wants to be making these decisions in the first place. I think the word "entitlement" is overused. People can be entitled over a lot of shit but lots of times it's used as a cudgel. "Entitlement" is code for "shut up and get back to the mines." You see those bought and paid for politicians refer to social security and medicare as "entitlements" for example, despite that those things are paid by our own goddamn taxes. That's not an entitlement if you're paying for it. It's what's owed. Again, I know you're not saying that but that word has taken on an entirely different meaning when used in an economic context. I'm sure if you took a poll, people would be perfectly fine foregoing SNES games in exchange for economic stability. But let me ask...is that actually on the table? It kind of is the avocado toast argument.

>>10801336
>get called an idiot on this board for buying a mint CIB Aero Fighter off eBay for $1000
Who’s laughing now? Me to the bank when I sell it and retire somewhere tropical living on 20%.

>>10802736
I'm assuming that if you sold your car then you probably live and work in a metropolitan area. But I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Rather than wondering why people are so entitled as to think that video games should be cheap, shouldn't you be asking why you have to give up so many of life's niceties to be able to afford them in the first place? Are you HAPPY that you had to sell your car and live below your means? Sure, if that's how you want to prioritize then have at it. But why participate in a race to the bottom? I don't WANT you to have to forgo a bunch of ordinary shit like being able to own a car just so you can have a game collection. That you can swing it if you tighten your belt is beside the point.

>>10801658
>Then why do we always have threads of poorfags complaining about getting priced out?
Because they want to line their libraries with things like Silent Hill, not Nuclear Strike. They want Rule of Rose, not Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. They want the prices that were at Gamestop, garage sales, and so on for 1~5 bucks. Those games were a steal back then, excellent prices if you were a gamer and liked to collect. Now prices went up to be reasonable for a seller, and others a lot more unreasonable. On the other hand there are thousands of video games you can try to play, stop focusing on the very few that are 200+ dollars, and if you really want to play them there's emulation. I get physical, I emulate, I don't care.

You also have to realize collections are built over decades.

>>10802916
As someone who did build up a sizeable collection over a couple of decades the sore spot isn't the price of any specific game but rather the floor. What I used to do, and pretty much every collector did back in the day, is you'd buy random shit solely because it was cheap. Back when GameStop was in an expansion frenzy circa 2007 (seriously, there were so many near me that two stores were literally across the street from each other) they had PS2 and GCN games pouring out of the ceiling with constant buy 2, get 1 free deals. A lot of the games I bought weren't worth shit and I didn't care about them. But they made good trade bait. You'd wheel and deal with the $5 games and eventually that $200 game was "free" because you made a few bucks here and there over time. Nobody was going out and dropping several grand on fullsets in one fell swoop. The problem is that kind of thing is impossible today. The floor is now too high for that kind of casual low risk/low reward bulk purchases. And it's more than just the money that I miss. I miss the community aspect. There's no such thing as friendly trades anymore, for example.

>IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT ABSURD RETRO GAME PRICES, YOU MUST BE A POORFAG!!!!!!!
It always the same with these sorts isn't it.

>>10802736
>I had to make sacrifices to keep my games, so you should have to too!
Or maybe you shouldn't have to sell your car and move into a smaller apartment just so you can afford some damn games.

>>10802978
He has an odd sort of priorities.

I'm still mad I got Knuckles Chaotix for £200 when the last time I saw it was £60.

>>10802873
I want to be clear: I don't like capitalism. I think it's callous and cruel. I think it incentivizes terrible, anti-social behavior. I think it is deeply depersonalizing and alienating. It simultaneously emphasizes personal accountability while disempowering the vast majority of its subjects. That said, it is also the dominant structuring force of our lives. I talk the way that I do because, unless you're a revolutionary, I think it's important to work within the margins you're given. I think there's a lot more value in emphasizing the power that people do have, even if its not very much, rather than highlighting all the ways in which we're disempowered.

>The issue is that nobody wants to be making these decisions in the first place.
This is where my lack of sympathy kicks in. First-world prosperity is built on the exploitation of the global poor. It's not possible to have a kind and equitable world where 7 billion people have the same standard of living as your average American. Our wealth is unearned, and I'm happy to see global wealth inequality flattened. The ceiling is getting higher, yes. But so is the floor, which is what matters to me.

>But let me ask...is that actually on the table?
Of course it's not. I never implied as much. But when you have an entertainment budget, you get to choose between SNES games and avocado toast. My whole point is that, if your average person reading this post just quit eating out for a month, they could afford whatever "overpriced" game the wanted. Not "quit buying games and you'll become financially secure".

>>10802907
>Are you HAPPY that you had to sell your car and live below your means?
Yes. I try to live a life which, if replicated by all, would produce a kind and sustainable world. When I use the term "entitlement", I'm not saying "you should work harder to have more". I'm saying "nobody should have the standard of living that we, in America, currently do".

>>10800843
I bought a "dead" mega cd 2 in 2017 / 2018 I can't remember exactly but it was £40 and I haven't changed the fuse yet but I'm pretty sure that is the issue. It does happen if you are patient. I just saw a mega drive 1 and mega cd 2 sell for £70 on ebay, untested. Patience bro!

>>10802998
>Untested
Usually means irreparably fucked on ebay. I'd prefer to buy from someone honest about the condition

>>10797547
Well it seems to be going down lately. People just emulate retro, it's over

>>10803030
Because WATA scammed and inflated prices and the scandemic is over. Also Pedo-Joe-Tali-Biden’s economy is so bad people are unloading their games to buy groceries.
When things get better prices will go up again, but the highly collectible key pieces will stay pretty high and increase in price. Look at Hagane and Aero Fighters or desirable GC and PS2 bangers. GC, SNES and PS2 might have gone down a bit overall but those titles are holding their value well or increasing during the same time.

>>10802998
>I just saw a mega drive 1 and mega cd 2 sell for £70 on ebay
70 quid is a lot for something could be fucked.

>>10801658
obviously weak bait. adjust for inflation my ass retard. no low ballers.

>>10801658
>If you adjust for inflation, that's only $30 in 2002 money.
There's a lot of truth to this if you think beyond monetary inflation, it's been suggested that in real terms many low-income earners make about 2/3rds less than their equivalent would have in the 1970's. The elephant in the room isn't the behaviour of sellers or buyers, it's the fact that (in boomer terms) the new minimal living wage is represented by individuals making roughly 60k annually (devs, electrical foremen, aircraft mechanics, insurance agents, truck drivers). That suggests that nearly 40% of households are 'priced out' of certain hobbies, with the number potentially being higher among individuals. As a result you see that the quality of certain products like pencils changes, because pencil manufacturers for example know most Americans wouldn't be very interested in paying the going rate for real cedar wood pencils anymore, so it's better to just make them out of recycled materials and hell, if they can't be sharpened, at least they'll still look the same on the shelf. And if a certain commodity can't be downgraded or reproduced, the price rises, but people forget that they're essentially haggling over smaller and smaller amounts in real terms. Look for example at the cost of something like a magazine, at say $11 USD you wouldn't expect so many retro items to be priced comparatively.

>>10803017
I like contacting the seller with a "hey could you go ahead and test it, thanks."

>>10802993
>Yes. I try to live a life which, if replicated by all, would produce a kind and sustainable world. When I use the term "entitlement", I'm not saying "you should work harder to have more". I'm saying "nobody should have the standard of living that we, in America, currently do".
you are so full of shit,you think everyone should be miserable because you arent and feel some guilt about it,the truth is the majority of people should have decent living condition with at least one hobby.
sure it might seems impossible now because it would require a very different society but the truth is it wont happen because the people that have the mean to make it a reality are selfish and powerhungry.
enjoy your vidya while you can,you are right,soon the majority of people wont be able to have any standard of living you do and you wont too.

I'm buying up all the original xbox games I can. I'm going full coomlector on it, gonna get all 900+ games. Currently have 140. It's easily the most feasible console to get every game for.
>No Nintendo tax
>Only a small handful of obscenely expensive games like Futurama, Outrun 2006, CIB Steel Battalion etc.
>Relatively small library compared to Playstation

>>10804101
I don't know why you're so hostile. I agree with virtually everything you have to say.

I'm not arguing that we should live in mud huts. I, too, believe that everyone should have decent living conditions and enough free time and funds to pursue a hobby or two and travel occasionally. The standard of living in America, though, far exceeds "decent". I think South East Asian urban centers like Hanoi, Bangkok, and Jakarta are about what I'd like to see globally. The smaller metro areas of Eastern Europe also provide a decent model. I don't like everything about their cultures and working conditions, mind you. But I think they exhibit about the right level of material prosperity.

I also agree that my ideals will never be actualized for similar reasons to those that you suggest. I'll even throw in another: it'd take common Westerners - Americans in particular - making personal sacrifices for the benefit of others, which'll never happen.

>you are right,soon the majority of people wont be able to have any standard of living you do and you wont too.
This is the only part that I disagree with you on (well, besides the weird personal attack you decided to open with, I guess). The Anglosphere will continue to destroy the world uncontested. We're currently in the middle of a recession, but that'll pass. It always does. It pains me to admit it, but there's no stopping this machine.

>enjoy your vidya while you can
This is the first nice thing you've said to me this entire thread :)
I'll say something nice and on topic to you: Arcanum is a good game, and you probably have good taste.

>>10799261
This is a really fucked up thing to say, Marble Anon.

>>10797547
It kind of is
I've been managing to find Gamecube and even SNES games in the wild this year for cheap. Even just a few years ago this was physically impossible. I'm seeing less flippers and collectors scourging for them
Demand is going down slightly and ebay prices are going down slightly. It won't be a 90% crash but we are seeing a correction

>>10804208
A lot of games are already done correcting. If the chart looks like this, it's probably the best time to buy, besides 10 years ago of course.

Everytime I see these threads I check the price of the Silent Hill trilogy on ebay and contemplate whether I should sell or not. I would rather just emulate it now anyway for convenience, so I don't need my physical games, but I wonder how much I can get for the games and keep waiting and watching the price go up and up.

I made the mistake of collective limited editions PS4 consoles. Most of them sit around RRP or below. The only one that is worth anything is the one I haven't got, namely the PS1 colour edition of the PS4.

>>10804448
The value should be irrelevant if you actually wanted them and weren't just looking to make money.

>>10804448
Wait 20 years.

>>10804013
And how well has this brilliant strategy that you like so much worked for you?

>>10804448
You made a long term investment, not a short term
Those consoles will be worth what you paid or more, but decades need to past until they are desirable.
Another thing is collector speculation - when people bought these limited edition consoles in the 2000s the idea wasn’t going to be how much they could resell in the 2020s but how cool they’d be to have and play. There’s way more speculators and pure collectors now

>>10804183
>The standard of living in America, though, far exceeds "decent".
I'd question that assumption. Modern America is a lot like Pleasure Island in Pinocchio. You can get all the luxuries you want for cheap but it's mostly bread and circuses. Life expectancy is not only below other developed nations, it's actively dropping. I don't think anyone can argue that our standard of living is above par when we're literally dying earlier. It may be above average if we take into consideration the entire planet but, again, that's a race to the bottom. I don't think it's fair to tell people they should be thankful just because they're not being literally massacred like other people across the world. It's not right to point at Ukraine or Palestine and be like "you see how good you have it!" The answer to that is those people deserve better AS WELL. We're constantly being told to be grateful for less and less just because everyone else is in an even worse state of existence. This is a terrible state of affairs all around because if it holds then NOBODY gets a better life except the people who are already rich and gaming the system to their advantage and pitting us all against each other. It reminds me of this political cartoon.

I'm not going to pretend I'm not personally better off than people in actual warzones. I'm a lucky ass motherfucker all things considered. But I'm sick of that being weaponized against me to where commenting on rising game prices is considered entitlement. Nobody wins when people are expected to shut up and say thank you just for the fact they're lucky enough to have a roof over their head.

>>10804183
You're talking to two different people, by the way, if that isn't clear.

>>10805071
>Life expectancy is not only below other developed nations, it's actively dropping
It dipped because of COVID. Recent CDC data shows us rebounding rapidly: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db492.htm

>I don't think anyone can argue that our standard of living is above par when we're literally dying earlier.
My issue is excess consumption during one's lifetime. The life expectancy could be 32 - if our consumptive habits still relied on the brutal exploitation of the global poor and put the entire world at jeopardy via climate catastrophe, I would continue to argue that our standard of living is too high.

>It's not right to point at Ukraine or Palestine and be like "you see how good you have it!" The answer to that is those people deserve better AS WELL.
It's a good thing I'm not doing that. I think they deserve better. I think we deserve worse. I feel like you're fundamentally misunderstanding me. The question that I ask is very simple: what is the highest standard of living, if universalized, that this planet could support? Whatever the answer to that question is, it clearly isn't that of the average American. I think Vietnamese urbanites have it about right.

>But I'm sick of that being weaponized against me to where commenting on rising game prices is considered entitlement.
You might be tired of it, but that doesn't make it any less true. The lifestyle you're defending necessitates cruelty towards the voiceless and will, one day, destroy the world. Your excess consumption fuels the greedy corporations you yourself seem to take issue with. Your impact might be small, but you do matter. I want you to have access to a modest home, free health care, and social safety nets. I also want you to have the choice between avacado toast and SNES carts. You can have both if you want, but you'll get less of each.

>>10805076
Yeah, I was referring to this guy >>10801489 with the hostility thing. You've been great, even if I disagree with you vehemently.

>>10805416
>It dipped because of COVID.
It dipped worldwide because of COVID though, so any further dip in America is exclusively on us that can't be explained just by COVID. Plus it was a trend happening even before the pandemic.

>>10805489
It's not like COVID effected all countries equally. We made up a massively disproportionate amount of COVID deaths. About 1/5 people who died from the pandemic were American. We had the the greatest total number of deaths. Brazil, who has the second most, is at a little above half our numbers.

>>10805416
>You might be tired of it, but that doesn't make it any less true. The lifestyle you're defending necessitates cruelty towards the voiceless and will, one day, destroy the world. Your excess consumption fuels the greedy corporations you yourself seem to take issue with. Your impact might be small, but you do matter. I want you to have access to a modest home, free health care, and social safety nets. I also want you to have the choice between avacado toast and SNES carts. You can have both if you want, but you'll get less of each.
I actually don't think it's impossible to get both. Pretty much everything you're saying you want for the world plus more than you think its viable. It's not really an issue of what the the planet can support. The issue isn't that the middle class gets too much. It's that the ruling class is TAKING too much. The middle class can actually do even better than they are AND the world can largely be in a better state of affairs simultaneously. It's perfectly possible, for example, for iPhones to be manufactured fairly and ethically without costing a whole lot more to the average person. What's preventing that isn't feasibility. It's that the ruling class is hoarding an INSANE percentage of the world's resources and wealth. The numbers are so extreme that it doesn't sink in unless represented visually.

>>10805518
Doesn't that prove the point though that the quality of life in America is worse than other developed countries though?

>>10805527
Elon Musk's net worth is about 200B. The average American"s net worth is about 200k. Elon musk is not personally consuming 1 million times the amount of animal products, or driving 1 million times the amount of cars, or buying 1 million times the amount of products compared to the average American. Wealth doesn't directly corelate to resource consumption. Wealth hoarding is bad, and we should stop it. But, again, my primary issue is *over consumption*. The world could not support 7 billion middle class Americans from a resource scarcity perspective.

>>10805530
A certain political parties unwillingness to wear masks is not evidence of a low standard of living. India had 1/10th our death rate per million, and their standard of living is, clearly, much lower than ours.

>>10805530
No, that proves that other countries had more severe lockdowns and government overreach that has stiffed them economically while the US has recovered.

>>10797547
We went from literally millions of people dumping their old games to tens of thousands at most—resellers have long since scoped out most of the supply, and the orders of magnitude of less competition today has had the expected effect on prices. Retro games will never be dirt cheap again, not until millennial collectors start dying and their children throw away their collections. See you in 40 years, OP.

>>10805589
Anyone who thinks the US is doing well economically is either already rich or unflinchingly retarded. Either way, you're part of the problem.

>>10804210
I don't think so, I think we got a ways to go
One is just how tied into the economy this whole hobby is. There's a lot of games so it can't be all rich people having them, and if people are struggling for everything else they will dump their games and less people will be in the buyers angle, which dumps it further outside the few grails solely for rich collctors
We also haven't see emulation take full hold yet and that gives most people little incentive to buy the real copies.
Not that I'm waiting for a major crash, just that I think we'll see more price decreases from the covid highs

>>10805654
miillenial g*mers don't live that long. most of them eat worse than even conservative boomers

>>10799249
This, recently been selling off my collection. All my NES, SNES, Genesis games are gone. Sega Saturn and games are gone, sold off a few of my gamecube games and am working on it right now. Keep getting offered 180 CAD for my Def Jam but holding out because feebay fees are fucked.
Have NES, SNES and Genesis all hooked up to a CRT with an everdrive. Looking to pick up a 64 now and get an everdrive for it.
Having a hard time parting with my PSX library though

There's really no reason to care about the retro gaming market when flash carts and soft mods exist for literally every console now. You're too late, prices will never go back down until millenials are living in retirement homes and need to cash out which is another 30 years at least.

>>10805901
>There's a lot of games so it can't be all rich people having them
I think there are just more speculators in general thanks to several high profile sales and the general "games are worth something" atmosphere. It's not too different from what happened to comic books in the 90s, which is why variant covers and new #1 relaunches became so common. Game prices immediately started to climb when those clickbait Facebook articles "Check Your Attic For These Games!" became a common sight.

I also think fullset collectors are more common, too. It used to be only the madlads would go for complete NES sets with everyone else just casually collecting stuff they enjoy. But now seems like every third GCN collector specifically wants all 600+ games. This is what's driving the insane prices of hilariously common shit.

>>10797846
>>10799059
That's pretty bad, I paid £30 for that same combo in 2004 with a carrier bag of games.
In 2007 I gave up that carrier bag of games and console to a niece to make room for 2 new xboxes.

>>10800623
>>10800643
I worked there for around 5 years in an operations job before I dipped to do government work and people following the pricing was retarded and still is.

The old pricing strategy was: Any game that wasn't current line stock was priced on a whim and the message was that we didn't buy it unless a store manager really wanted to and old systems retained buy prices of £0.10 > £2 averages until disabled.
The price didn't come from anywhere special it came from a unit in London where one of 4 people on shift would answer price requests. Big categories got price updates regularly, "rare" games like muh symphonias on Gamecube etc would get updated maybe once or twice a year based on stock but there was no strategy behind it.
So at a time you could get titles like the FF games for PSX, FF origins would be £5, £4 credit £2 cash with a very small profit margin. Then the boom came, remakes & remasters started and the price inflation came, they started using grades for old games.
That copy of FF Origins I've got in a cupboard to replace the copy I gave away to my mate James all those years back may have a £5 sticker on it now but under the new pricing it'd have a £52 sticker on it and they'd pay £30-36 for it.
I've long since left but there won't be wild dynamic pricing on retro games there, it'll still be 4 maybe 5 blokes in shabby office responding to price requests for shit that's not on epos yet.

The only thing the prices are good for is deciding what you can get away with selling something for at the bottom line and so yeah it makes sense for other stores to try and match them.

>>10797558
No thanks, I’m gonna play on original hardware on CRT. You can emulate tho. Please enjoy!

oh i get it now, this place is a fuckin honeypot
and the cib conker is actually $350
and there's a cib rule of rose here for 800 fucking $

>>10807048
>this place is a fuckin honeypot
You don't know what this word means.

>>10806430
>But now seems like every third GCN collector specifically wants all 600+ games
Heh I know that. I collect that as a main focus but only want the best and most appealing games while I know someone who wants the entire collection
Unless I find them at the thrift store I’m not picking up some of the real trash titles

>>10807067
You find put painful truths here, painful like sticking your dick in a pot of honey, removing it from the pot of honey and then shoving your honey covered dick in an ant hill/farm. I can explain why that would be painful you can't imagine it.

>>10807117
When libraries get that big it starts looking like a sea of junk to me. I get the appeal of full sets for smaller libraries. A complete N64 collection looks pretty tidy and not something too unwieldy to display. I'm personally 18 games away from a complete US Wii U set and 3 games away from a Virtual Boy set specifically because I have a soft spot for offbeat failure systems. But something like the NES? I can probably come up with 200 games that I'd genuinely would consider nice to have but then there's hundreds of games that are just absolute crap. That kind of good to bad ratio, at that size, isn't something I want anything to do with. Maybe if you're just devoted to ONE specific system and have basically nothing physical for anything else.

>>10799249
This.

If you HAVE the money and you care ENOUGH to spend it on the real thing, which I totally get the appeal of, then go for it... but for most out there I wouldn't recommend it, especially if you're now getting into retro video games and/or don't have a whole lot to spare, which is the case for me as I finally got a job this year and I'm trying to save a lot of money for marriage and things like that...

I think that, if you care about being authentic at all, but don't have the money, or are just getting into things, a console with a flashcart is nice for consoles that are cheaper and easier to find still.

In most cases though, what you can do is just try to make emulation more authentic, using stuff like shaders or a real CRT, a somewhat accurate controller, manual PDFs, those kinds of things...

>>10804456
Probably.

>>10804516
I've been on this rock for 30+ years. I don't want to wait 20 more.

>>10804589
You know what, they probably won't be worth much except for the novelty/curiosity ones like the Taco Bell PS4.

What I've realised is that the PS4 is crap (in terms of collecting). You don't really get unique consoles/console refreshes since, at best the 360/PS3 era, consoles that are, both externally and internally, noticeably different.

Like the master system I which unlike my master system 2, had a card slot for games that came on a little credit card thing. IIRC the card slot was going to be for cheaper smaller games and the big games were going to be on cartridges but then all the later games were made on cartridges and so got removed in the console refresh. Or the crystal N64s or shit like that.

All the PS4s are basically the same machine with a different coat of paint and their refreshes are slightly faster versions. Same with Xbone.

>>10808035
Not to mention that's there probably a number of games that can't run properly on PS4/XBone because they need day-0 patches or half the game is on their servers and not on disc.

I'm a big bad reseller, AMA.

You guys think these third party shipping services like Japan Rabbit are worth it? I got burned on a PAL aqua blue PS2 from ebay. I feel like people over here are faggots and lying about conditions or jacking prices too high. If I'm overpaying for a console I might as well get a minty one from Japan is what I'm thinking. They save boxes and manuals and all that. Not sure if I'm baiting myself though. I want a PS1 and a midnight black/blue PS2. A SNES too.

>>10808163
1. How do you source your inventory?
2. What are your margins like?
3. How competitively do you price?
4. If you overprice, how long does it take to sell?

Thank you for your service, by the way o7

>>10808180
When I import, I usually just buy from one of the many Japanese sellers on eBay. No need to go through a dedicated import service that way. You can usually find whatever you're looking for there, unless you're talking really niche stuff like rare arcade PCBs and such.

>>10808213
>When I import, I usually just buy from one of the many Japanese sellers on eBay

I was gonna say VAT and customs fees, but VAT I think I pay regardless. Customs I guess I can avoid if I split it into two shipments if that's even worth it. I feel like ebay will have higher prices for gaijin though.

>>10808221
I forgot that Eurofriends have way harsher import fees than we do.

>I feel like ebay will have higher prices for gaijin though.
I'm importing a lot of the pricier NTSC-J 360 games right now. I check Yahoo Auctions to compare US prices to JP, and it usually isn't too different. Just compare eBay prices to your preferred JP market + international shipping and White Rabbit fees. At least in my case, it's usually not worth saving the extra few bucks to get a third party involved, if there's even any savings to be had at all.

>>10808163
What does AMA stand for?

>>10807048
What are the odds of coming across the CP version?

>>10797547
>So...there going to be a retro games price crash soon?
Why would there be a crash for things that will never be made anymore and are in limited supply? Are you an idiot? You clearly didn't think before asking this.

>>10808339
its a reddit thing.

>>10808903
Because I want an oompa loompa I want an oompa loompa now

>>10808163
Getting a real job is less effort and you make more why waste your time trying to resell copies of Wii games

>>10797547
never ever

If I do for some reason need to buy a old game, I just buy loose discs. I'm not paying some imaginary mark up so I can display a case on my shelf. Grabbed Silent Hill 3 for super cheap once off of ebay once because the collector scum need to show off a piece of plastic rather than play a game.

>>10810169
I like having the manual

>>10797547
dont mind me just gonna keep playing vegas stakes.

>>10809193
Some people do it just as a hobby and to make some extra scratch. Especially if they're already collectors and are going to be buying and selling anyway.

>>10808903
I think people use "crash" when they really mean "dip." Clearly a legitimate crash won't happen. A crash didn't even happen back when the comic book bubble burst.

>>10808213
The yen is extremely weak right now and you can get massive price savings even after paying all the middleman fees. Everything on eBay is marked up by at least 2x and a lot of the Japanese sellers are basically flipping listings from other Japanese sellers and drop shipping to you.

>>10811230
Where would I look besides Yahoo auctions? I've bought pretty much every CAVE game in the last few weeks for within 10 or15% of the prices I see on there. Some were even cheaper than the YA listings.

>>10797547
If all the zoomers died would the prices go down?

>>10812074
>Zoomers
the ratio of boomers to zoomer larpers is very unbalanced. Yes, there are some zoomers, but far fewer than there are older people, zoomers hardly even collect prior to the fifth gen

>>10812075
I'm a zoomer LARPer who collects 4th-7th gen.

>>10812087
I hope you fall down some stairs.

>>10812087
I think zoomers born in the 90s prolly came into contact with snes or genesis but for the most part anyway they don't tend to collect that stuff. I'm an early gen z and I grew up playing some super nintendo, but I don't really collect it, mostly for lack of hardware, but I just lack connection. I'm really only interested in the RPGs and could really take or leave the rest of the library. Not that it's shit, just don't care.

>>10797819
>It's not an auction site anymore
There used to be a smaller fee if you sold auction compared to BIN, but I don't think that's the case anymore. At least, I couldn't find it in the documentation last I checked.
Pretty gay. There's basically no incentive to list auction unless it's some weird item with no defined value, which is what eBay recommends auctions for now.

>>10797819
>Sellers got so horribly manhandled by Ebay policies that the only ones left are people using Ebay as a platform for their online business. So things can just sit there for weeks or months until the right person comes by and hits that buy-it-now.
desu I still use ebay to sell electronics and the like. It's too much of a hassle to sell on gumtree or facebook marketplace.
Too many actual fucking retards who can't read a listing or want to phone up to ask some inane question that could be sent by text or want to reserve it but not show up.
Ebay is just so much easier. Listing fees and seller fees are shit but you price your item appropriately if doing BiN. There's always campaigns on for personal sellers to list without auction fees etc going on and they're quite regular so it's easy enough but where they did fail was on the payout process; especially after the split.
> Prices would be way different if Ebay were still a place for "$1, No Reserve" auctions where you can bid on a crate of loose cart
> Sellers got so horribly manhandled by Ebay policies
These two things don't work together in an age where sniping a listing with no reserve could happen, that's manhandling on an entirely different tier.

The only thing I don't sell on ebay are TV sets. Those I smash in the front and book a kerbside recycling from the council. They can part it out or landfill it but fuck trying to sell a TV to people locally.

>>10810986
>CIB mint still $20
>still a good banger

>>10812929
I got it for $4 loose.

>>10797819
>Sellers got so horribly manhandled by Ebay policies
nahhhhh customers deserve to get the products they buy. not about to buy something and not get a refund if it doesn't arrive.

>>10812862
>The only thing I don't sell on ebay are TV sets. Those I smash in the front and book a kerbside recycling from the council. They can part it out or landfill it but fuck trying to sell a TV to people locally.
why the fuck are you destroying TV's if they work.
you are everything thats wrong with the world.

>>10814424
>why the fuck are you destroying TV's if they work.
>you are everything thats wrong with the world.
Fake environmentalist seethe is always funny to see.

>>10814924
That's not environmentalist seethe. Its CRT seethe.

>>10814938
>Its CRT seethe.
Even more reason to smash the front in then.

>>10814424
>why the fuck are you destroying the fragile psyche or gullible little children
for the lulz

>>10808339
All My Ass

>>10800589
>reddit frog
Reminder this is what reddit frog spammers look like

>>10815470
Did they just interview people who claim they post on 4chan? Or actors or what?

>>10807048
>>10808394
>but they're just trying to make a profit.
Sorry not all of us are millionaire in debt idiots. Reseller scammers dont deserve any profit for their dirty ass uncleaned untested fake games they bought at a garage sale for pennies.
They are on a list now for trying to sell illegal contraband. Either way they deserve it for selling games at that price. All copies are illegal and were recalled for a reason. They'll just try to manipulate and say its more valuable and rare because its illegal contraband. You will own nothing and be happy.
>>10808163
>>10808339
It means they are an a faggot that needs to go back.

>>10816626
Reseller prices are higher because you're paying them for the work they put in to find the game.

look at this shit

>>10817282
What game?

>>10816626
>All copies are illegal and were recalled for a reason.
There was no recall. Topheavy was given a court order to temporarily cease distribution of further copies. The case also barely comments on child pornography at all. In fact, the entire suit hinged on invasion of privacy. From the court documents...

"She sued Topheavy for (1) invasion of privacy based on both misappropriation of her likeness and the disclosure of private and embarrassing facts; (2) negligence; (3) negligence per se; (4) intentional infliction of emotional distress; (5) unjust enrichment; and (6) civil conspiracy."
(https://casetext.com/case/topheavy-studios-v-doe))

It has never been argued in the court of law that private possession or sale of the game is illegal. It's, at worst, a legal grey area. It's certainly no worse than owning or selling a copy of Scorpion's Virgin Killers - something the FBI has outright stated is within the limits of US law.

In short, you're just a fucking liar.

>>10797795
Not the topic, but that pic's been out of date for a bit now. CRT filters have gotten a lot more accurate lately, with plenty of options to tweak it.

>>10815495
the fact that it upsets them so badly that they put time and money into parody videos just makes me post even more pepes

>>10797547
never just get a flashcart like a normal person

>>10800481
lmao 100 years from now Americans won't even be speaking english

do people really pay more than $20 for a video game?