/vr/ - Retro Games

I would say they wanted to copy Okami, but TP came out only 6 months later.

>>10788182
Maybe they wanted to re-use the ‘Link is a pink bunny in the Dark World’ concept but make him an ugly wolf instead

>>10788182
More than enough time.

Never heard anyone complain about wolf Link before. What's the problem OP?

>>10788076
>most versatile transformation in the entire franchise
They were thinking, lets give the fans KINO

>>10788076
Midna was made for wolf cock. simple as.

>>10788076
see that bloom setting? set it to MAXIMUM

I wonder if the original gimmick was control animals, and that got whittled down to you play as a wolf, and you can kind of play as a hawk, and you heard some sheep for like five minutes.
It would make sense.

>>10788205
Like zero fun factor compared to either of the three transformations in Majora.

>>10788202
DESPITE ALL MY RAGE

>>10788076
I do knot know.

>>10788076
Midna is still a woman, being a white female was never an actual prerequisite to fuck dogs.

>janny confirmed for feminist ally

>>10788184
>re-use the "Link transforms against his will in the dark world" gimmick
>re-use the "Link has alternate forms with unique abilities gimmick"
>both were already done a thousand times better in previous Zelda games
This is why Twilight Princess will always be a turd to me. It's literally just a bloated version of Ocarina of Time with shitty gimmicks that were already done better earlier in the series. Some of the dungeons were pretty great, as well as the boss battles, but that can't hold up the entire game. Also, the tears of light shit was terrible and I can't believe it's a gimmick that stuck around for Skyward Sword, too. Literally just turning the game into a Banjo-Kazooie-tier collectathon in order to pace your progress. Thanks Nintendo.

>>10788202
>I had a stupid dream and I thought that meant the idea deserved to be the focus of an entire video game
I hate Japanese game developers so much it's unreal.

>>10788231
Legit hilarious to watch the Zelda team come off of Wind Waker, a game with some of the most flawless and timeless art direction imaginable, and then just nosedive right into the "brown n' bloom" meme at warp speed. Over 20 years later and Wind Waker STILL looks good, while Twilight Princess looked dated before it even launched.

>>10788807
Salsa porfavor

>>10788076
Nintendo's obsession with gimmicks being forced into every product they were releasing.
>>10788182
Definitely not that. I remember spending the summer of 2005 with my buddy's step-brother bitching about the wolf pre-release.

>>10788850
shut the fuck up, the only thing worse than tp itself are the autists who bitch about it. were you raped as a kid or something?

>>10788850
Fair, but I would say super bloomed out does make the twilight realm look more visually interesting than when it was just going to be desaturated.
Looks more like a realm this way

>>10788939
Sorry senpai, but this is an SFW dōjin.

>>10788182
Both Okami and TP's wolf sections remind me of the cancelled Kimba N64 game made by the Super Mario 64 team.

Wonder if Nintendo would be willing to put out a character design like Midna's in current times.

>>10788184
Zelda games had a transformation theme going on for a while.

>>10789539
Splatoon has enough of such characters

Wolf Link is cool fuck you.

>>10788850
>I hate Japanese game developers so much it's unreal.
Yu Suzuki dreamt about programming a lot and used what he learnt in the games he made. IIRC he even figured out how to fix a bug he had in his code for VF2 by dreaming.

How can I dreammaxx like the Japs bros?

>>10789563
They wear clothes though.

>>10788205
>most versatile
Any of the 3 transformations in majora shit on the wolf form, all you can do is dig, talk to animals, and use midna to que attacks while going through a shitty bug hunt 3 times. In majora the deku scrub form can
>blow bubbles as a projectile weapon
>spin
>allows you to skip on water
>lets you speak to other dekus as if you're one of them
>has its own unique instrument
And that's not even mentioning all the cool shit you do as a goron and zora.

>>10789539
Absolutely.
You know that Nintendo is one of the developers for Fire Emblem Heroes, right? That game is two steps shy of softcore porn.

>>10789621
Then you have Xenoblade where one of main characters canonically has three wives.

>>10789621
I think Nintendo gets away with a lot of this, specifically because they are Nintendo. No one thinks of Nintendo games as being risqué, but some of them really are.

>>10789621
In the midst of the 3rd Wave feminism and gamergate shenanigans, Nintendo went and advertised Bayonetta 2 in New York hiring a real Playboy model to cosplay as Bayo.
I think people have this idea of Nintendo, but that idea isn't 100% accurate.

>>10788850
>>re-use the "Link transforms against his will in the dark world" gimmick
>>re-use the "Link has alternate forms with unique abilities gimmick"
Two utterly ridiculous, invalid complaints.

>>10788076
It was the mid 2000s. Vampires and werewolves were all the rage. You had to be there.

>>10789641
Nintendo games are horny AF.

>>10790473
>TFW you're the only guy still on 4chins who knows what sick shit one of the TP character designer had made in the past before Nindendo has hired her

>>10789635
It's because nobody who's not a total Nintendie knows they used to own several love hotels in Japan - back when thier bosses had direct ties to the Yakuza.

>>10788959
>were you raped as a kid or something?
Yes. By Twilight Princess. Before that, literally every Zelda game I had played was actually good.

>>10789802
You're right, which is why, if you had basic reading comprehension, you'd know I wasn't complaining about those tropes being re-used; I was complaining about them being poorly-done compared their previous usage.

>>10788590

>>10788202
Are you kidding me? Every TP thread in /vr/ we shit on the wolf gimmick. For me its not the transformation itself that is bad, but the mandatory wolf sections fucking suck.

>>10788076
Imp ass.

>>10790748
>the mandatory wolf sections fucking suck.
This was what made me hate it. I could have probably let all my other complains slide, but the fact that, for the start of the game, they forced you to explore every new area as a wolf to do a basic bitch collectathon before you were allowed to actually explore the area as Link was such a fucking ball-ache, and probably one of the first egregious examples of padding/time-wasting in a Zelda game. It's not even like the Triforce charts in WW which were thrown in to replace dungeons thanks to time constraints; they actually just thought this was a good gameplay idea to smack the player with at the front end of the game.

>>10788076
they were thinking
>okay we need to make a game as an apology for wind waker
>people liked ocarina of time right lets make ocarina of time again
>but wait time travel and exploring the world in two forms was a major part of the game, we can't have link be a kid again that's too wind waker
>maybe we can have a transformation in the overworld like the dark world form from A Link to the Past
>but that was a bunny, that's too cutesey (cutesey = wind waker = bad)
>what's the most badass animal Link could possibly turn into?

>>10788076
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/feature/13089/eiji-aonumas-gdc-2007-presentation-a-lupine-direction-and-minish-cap

>Knowing that I had raised the expectations of end-users by promising that a realistic Zelda was on the way, I knew that I had to come up with something brilliant, something that would take advantage of the look of the game. My staff suggested that changing the environment would change the gameplay and looking to past Zelda games which use the contrast between two different worlds, dark and light, past and future, we thought to incorporate this idea again. This is when the idea that Link would transform into a wolf was proposed. The idea of Link’s transformation into a wolf came from The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, in which Link transformed into a rabbit in the Dark World. We wanted to change Link’s environment, but we also wanted to make a completely different skill set available to him in this new environment and thus create a completely different style of gameplay. We wanted him to become an animal, combining the ideas of both the wild and heroic into one. That’s how we came up with the idea of the wolf. I was also scolded by Miyamoto who said, “It’s hard enough to get a two-legged Link to move around in a 3-D world convincingly. To consider a four-legged wolf is something an amateur would do." I knew that what he was saying was right and would eventually regret having even tried it, but even if it was a challenge at the time, I thought that this kind of disruptive breakthrough was just what the staff needed to change their way of thinking.

>>10790814
That said, the idea was still half-baked because Aonuma decided to fuck off and go play with Capcom instead

>I had no doubt that this was the right direction to pursue, but having set the framework of this new direction, my work was required on another project. I left the realistic Zelda team to work details and began work as director of The Minish Cap for the Game Boy Advance, which Capcom developed. Even in the weakening Japanese market, the Game Boy Advance install-base continued to grow. The market seemed to have stabilized and as one of the titles that would help sustain it, Minish Cap was very important to the franchise. Also, because this game involved Link moving freely between the normal world and the microscopic world of the Minish, which was very close to the idea that we were shooting for with the realistic Zelda, I was very passionate about my work on this title. I felt certain that the way the gameplay changed as the environment changed in Minish Cap would have a positive effect on the development of the realistic Zelda. In hindsight, by immersing myself in the Minish Cap project, I gave myself a way to escape from not being able to find a breakthrough on the realistic Zelda project. I regret that I might have been too selfish, thinking that I could just leave my staff to come up with the solution, but my mistake in thinking caught up with me.

Man cannot help his Toon Link addiction

>>10790814
It's always hilarious to hear Japanese developers talk about how they poured so much thought and passion into a feature that is objectively retarded.

>>10790818
Also funny to hear him talk about Minish Cap being so important when I feel like it's one of the Zelda games people remember the least. There was next to ZERO buzz about it in the lead-up to its release. Even the fucking official player's guide for it had a poster for Twilight Princess instead.

>>10790818
>this is the same guy in charge of the Zelda franchise now
>the same guy who gave Miyamoto the go-ahead to stop any sequels to TP
>same guy who allowed TP2 to be turned into a shitty wiimote gimmick game
>same guy who actively shittalks fans of the non-Aonuma games for requesting a return to a better standard of Zelda games

>same fucking guy who didn't even invite Koizumi to a table-talk in the Art&Artifacts interview to talk about Zelda

>same fucking guy who has the gall to fuck off from a Zelda title to work on a shitty knockoff game so he can sabotage a flagship entry

>same guy who thought charging $70 for DLC was enough to call it a day at the office

And the industry thinks this guy should continue to lead the Zelda franchise just because its ""fresh and new"". Thank you Nintendo.

>>10790818
So Aunoma himself basically admits he fucked up and TP was shit? Cool, cool.