/vr/ - Retro Games

Maybe they thought it's already inspired by NeverEnding Story so they just wanted to go all the way with the native boy. But even then he just looks boring and generic now

>>10761578
It makes no sense, considering he's (probably) a young father, changing his appearance from ~20 to ~16 years old is just idiotic

Soul vs soulless thread?

>>10761597
>changing his appearance from ~20 to ~16 years old is just idiotic
They made him look like a girl, lol

>>10761598
I don’t see the difference.

>>10761578
I don’t get it, never played the game what’s the issue?

>>10761598
That's all Soul though

>>10761578
Bottom looks better than the retarded looking weeb shit

>>10761634
This. Top just looks like a generic anime head that could be from any game. Bottom looks more like a person than a cartoon.

>>10761634
fool

>>10761578
Why would anyone play that game in the first place.

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>>10761651
Top has personality, bottom is an Elder Scrolls create-a-character head

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>>10761617
Cassandra looks horrible in the bottom pics, she looks uber generic and has literal bug eyes. Older games have more soulful graphics and Cass actually looks nice and cute.

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>>10761578
I mean, bottom makes it clear that he's *NOT* demon possessed and in fact is simply a smelly hobo who hasn't bathed in weeks

>>10761685
I fucking hate Bluepoint and hope they go under soon. Absolute hacks

>>10761597
>a young father
Wander's a dad?

>>10761668
What's frustrating is if he actually emoted properly and the game conveyed Dormin corrupting him as well as the original model did it wouldn't even be that bad, but he has perpetual derpface and Dormin's possession just makes his face look dirty.

>>10761685
>out of breath faggot
>stoic man
upgrade

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>>10761685
The issue with remakes and "upgrades" like this is that people without soul cannot tell the difference between something having soul and not having it. And the ratio of people without is increasing more and more rapidly.

>>10761850
>soul is when you prioritize being a faggot redditor moviegame over playing well and having functional controls
lol

>>10761578
The original runs at 10 frames per second. It's degenerate art that should have been burned in a bonfire.

>>10761668
They just made him autistic.

Just play the PS3 port, you fucking nerds.

>>10761685
This is unacceptable. Same thing happened with FFX remaster.
Everyone’s faces became fat and lifeless.

>>10761578
Defend what? The fact the original had fullbright models because it could not afford any type of lighting effects due to the scale?

>>10762059
you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

http://selmiak.bplaced.net/games/ps2/index.php?lang=eng&game=sotc&page=makingof

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>>10762059
Isn't sotc one of the only games that gen with self shadowing and hdr

>>10762084
I can't tell which one is the newer one but whichever it is, that's the soulless one.

>>10761578
Why is it always the color palette that remakes fuck up? Even relatively decent ones like RE4.

>>10762165
they think they know better and they can't help themselves but change it
also because they're bored as fuck just remaking something better than they could ever make so they just fiddle and needlessly tinker
a lot of the devs at Bluepoint say shit like 'muh technical limitations', despite the fact that Ueda has kept the same style throughout 3 games now

>>10761859
Soul is when you put a part of your soul in what you're making. Well, actually, that's what art is.
The original art direction is actual art. The "remastered" art direction is an algorithm applied by a soul-less husk of a human being. Literally missing higher spiritual endowment. ANIMAls in human skin.

>>10761850
>soul cannot tell the difference between something having soul and not having it
this isn't even a question of soul. Just calling the original soulful is diminishing its artistic merit.

>>10761598
not the worst offender to be honest

>>10761604
an ugly one of course kek
>>10761634
its a japanese game you dip shit

>>10761668
god blue point is fucking dogshit at doing faces, or games for that matter

>>10761859
what do movie games have to do with anything you dumb faggot? this isnt a movie game, what are you even doing here, you obviously havent even played the game

Whys is this being discussed now?? Do we have some news about it being ported to PC?

>>10762628
>it's japanese so he HAS to look like a retarded anime character even though it doesn't fit with the rest of the setting!!!
choke yourself
>>10762637
I know it's a piece of shit game that controls like dog feces because I've played it. the fact that it appeals to midwits because it looks pretty and they can use it to say "look, videogames CAN be art!". it fails as a game but I guess if you experience it as a moving painting that you control then yeah it's pretty good I guess.

>>10762084
I can't tell which is which either but the smoke and lighting on the left look better.

>>10761578
I was just about to replay Ico and SotC and was thinking of trying the PS3 version, thinking it couldn't be THAT bad, but this thread saved me.

>>10762664
how do you look at the bottom remaster and think,
>now heres a manly character design for westerners like myself!
are you retarded?

>>10762686
He looks like a normal 15-20 year old instead of an androgynous anime femboy

>>10762664
the game controls fine you just cant wrap you head around anything that doesnt control like your fromtranny shit

>>10762678
thats the ps5 version anon, the ps3 version is fine

>>10762703
Oh, cool then PS3 it is.

>>10762721
enjoy, my ps3 died so i havent been able to play it :(

>>10762697
it's a piece of shit, sorry. I understand that you think it looks nice but I play games for their gameplay, not surface level aesthetic appeal parading around as a game.

>>10762738
did you not read what i say? i say it plays fine, i like this game for the gameplay, not once did i mentioned the graphics

Wow, I had no idea about the SotC face thing.
Shame since I bet the rest of the game looks pretty.
Also funny that people are getting mad presumably because the remake is the only version they ever played
Reminds me of people who gush over REmake

>>10762738
also you are playing the shitty remake made by the most incompetent people. the same retards that made that awful demon's souls remake

>>10761737
I would still really like to sniff her panties

>>10761598
It's ironic that you're defending SC3 Cassandra when SC3 already looks weird compared to SC2
This is Cassandra, not either of those

>>10761737
She looks generic? I don’t see many anime bimbonoids with her hairstyle on the bottom. Changing her hairstyle over the course of a game series =\= soulless

>>10761850
in this case its more that bluepoint is making too many design changes when the art direction was already decided, its like that jesus fresco painting

>>10762756
>like this game for the gameplay
lying

>>10762809
what other reason is there to like a game? if i dont like the gameplay then i dont care about any story you have to offer

>>10762809
same with graphics, you can have the most amazing pretiest graphics ever but if i dont like the gameplay then i simply dont care. same with the music

>>10762847
idk, it probably appealed to you in some subconscious way that you don't even realize and you tolerated the trash gameplay for it. you got tricked into liking it basically. either that or you're stupid and you like bad games.

>i like colosseum shadow because of le gameplay
List of people who never played it because that framerate is no way to play. Flipbooks have better framerate. You are here because you're soijaking at the graphics.

>>10762860
just because you dont like something it doesnt means is bad, you just dont like and thats ok
>>10762861
you realize that back in the day people werent as fucking obsessed with frame rates right? also you get used to it after like 10 minutes, and the ps3 version exists which fixes the only problem it has

>>10762861
frogposter was born in 2003

>>10761598
I prefer the bottom one. Cute and nice booba.

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>>10762084
Yep, another objective visual upgrade from the AMAZING folks at Bluepoint Games :) These guys should remake everything!

SotC's best version is still PS2/PS3 exclusive and it's making Ninnies and PCfags seethe. I'm guessing that's what's going on in this thread cause otherwise I don't get it.

Doesn't SotC run fine in PCSX2? What's everyone's problem?

>>10762921
not everyone has a pc that can run pcsx2, dicksuck

>>10762924
Have you tried it recently? PCSX2 got way better in the last few years.
Imagine not having at least a 4-core PC in 2024

>>10762924
then buy a used ps3 you poorfag

>>10762965
to play one game? yeah alright genius

>>10762980
then shut the fuck up faggot

>>10761606
the comparison is between top and botom, not left and right.

>>10762998
provide solutions that aren't shit and worthless next time

>>10762919
Man, I can't believe how lazy Konami were, not using AI to re-record those controller tutorials in MGS Master Collection!

>>10761578
He has a kind of a jaded look in the original that works well with the theme of losing one's humanity, and with the character, who is young but already a practiced fighter, probably coming from some combat-focused nomad culture.

>>10762861
To be fair we also played stuff like Starfox on the SNES and that one had even worse framerate. I also loved to torment myself with attempts at 3D on GBA that also had bad framerates

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>>10762669
The left is the original.

>>10761578
Interesting how the facial structure is basically the same in both but he looks much more feminine in the remake. The low polycount and abstracted detail in the OG sell him as angular and rugged with dirty matted hair, whereas in the remake the additional polys and alpha textures make the same features and hair seem smoother and softer and cleaner. This is what happens when you thoughtlessly add 'detail' without thinking about the final effect.

>>10761598
Why are you trying to push this? SC VI looks great.

>>10763318
Bluepoint bewilders me because they'll either do remakes the lazy way like how you mentioned by just making things more "detailed" or just completely reinvent the wheel on designs wholesale like they did with the Demon Souls remake. Crazy how they fuck up whether they're being lazy or putting effort into it.

I wonder when will people come to realization that bloom was always a great effect. People only started hating it because early on it was sometimes misused.

>>10763343
They have budget for technically skilled employees. Their issue is they lack artistic skill. They also seem to be interested in "putting in their mark", which is again a sign of artistic weakness. SH2 remake devs also seem similar except they lack even technical abilities or budget. Maybe things have improved I dunno. I haven't looked anything new about SH2 remake for over a year. I doubt they could salvage what they've shown.

>>10762580
Games aren't art, cope.

>>10761676
It's fun.

>>10762921
I am a complete terminal tendie but I kneel for SotC. It and the Katamari games are the only PS2 games I've liked enough to play multiple times.

>>10762980
They're under $50 at a goodwill, often under $30. And easy to mod too, so you can play all the games for free from that point on.

>>10763521
Games are art and always have been. Sure lots of them are bad art, but abstract representations of the world are the most fundamental kind of art there is. Half sentient monkey men drew pictures of animals they hunted in the Pleistocene, and Dave Theurer made his best attempt at representing nuclear annihilation on an arcade cabinet in 1980.

>>10761598
>tee hee I'm a genki cheerleader watch me hit things with my butt
cassandra was always one of the most soulless soul characters from the start.

>>10763636
Games are a toy.

>>10763684
That's like saying paintings are just wallpaper.
Besides, toys are art too.

>>10763693
Are photographs art?

>>10764184
lol are you joking?

>>10764204
Do you want me to break your fucking neck? Just answer the question

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>>10763682
Cassandra doesn't hit things with her butt though.
She doesn't use it in any of her throws. Her sister Sophitia does, though.

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>>10762694
He looks like an androgynous anime femboy in both of them, I have no idea what you're seeing.

>>10764620
Okay, you're right, she has 3 moves where she hits enemies with her butt. I didn't know about this because I've never looked at her full move set in practice mode, but she still uses it less than Sophitia whose almost every throw involves her butt or hips in some way.

>>10761768
I don't understand why the Sony studios keeps doing this
Nearly every fucking remake and port they've done that changes the face in the last 5 or so years looks like shit

>>10762738
that was hilarious

>>10765769
Remakes sell. Normalfags don't care, those of us mad about the changes and lost art direction are a minority.

>>10764878
>Sophitia whose almost every throw involves her butt or hips in some way
She needs to keep fit for the pounding I give her every night

>>10761941
I could be wrong, but doesn't the PS3 version have reduced smoke and fur effects? IIRC those effects were more possible just because that console was somehow better at particle spam than even modern consoles.

>>10766649
I cannot recall, I know the biggest drawback of the PS3 version is the increased draw distance which means you see things pop in when riding across the land with Agro. But the Colossi fights are so much fucking smoother.

>>10761578
Westerners are shit at aesthetics.

>>10762186
sounds like fucking localizers

>>10763684
they can be both