/vr/ - Retro Games

Using this post to correct myself

Old thread is >>1056093, instead of the one being displayed

Also this is the second time I made this thread, since I tried to make one a few mins. ago but a weird error popped out and switched the image I intended to post, driving me to kill the thread in the act.

Why are you fags always talking about this one stupid game?

kinda doom related:
what's the best voxel edtor/creator and where can i get it (for free)?

>>1069848
Because it's fun.

>>1069853
Try SLAB6.
http://www.advsys.net/ken/download.htm
sage for stupid doublepost

>>1069864
it's shitty and outdated

>>1069865
>Outdated
Where do you think we are?

>>1069870
To talk about games that haven't aged like ass.

>>1069865
Why are you on this board?

>>1069872
If Doom hasn't aged well, no game has.

>>1069865
this is a retro board, everything is outdated....

>>1069874
Yeah... but many games have aged far better than Doom has. Doom is a dinosaur with terrible old mechanics compared to modern shooters.

We're also here for nostalgia, of course, so it's fine to have a thread once in a while about a game. What I don't get is how you fags have this shit up ETERNALLY and still play it every day apparently even though it's fucking dead and buried as far as gameplay goes.

>>1069872
>>1069848
>>1069865
I pitty the fool who fell for that

>>1069876
Vanilla Doom has not aged well by any means. With mods and shit it's okay.

>>1069879
I pity the fool who gets off on posting that

I'm all up your mods, modding your mods with shit I obsess about, like sounds.

>Brutal Doom v15 tweaks and shit
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3927lkr7o34z7o2/Brutal_Doom_-_SPERGLORD_EDITION.zip

>Accessories to Murder tweaks
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wvfq5bc4dqcdsny/ww-doomnukem_SPERGLORD_EDITION.zip

>>1069878
>it's fucking dead and buried as far as gameplay goes.

But it's not. There' still an active modding and multiplayer community.

>>1069902
>But it's not. There' still an active modding and multiplayer community.
Yeah. I really don't understand that since it's such an objectively terrible game in 2013. I think this is one of those situations where fans simply can't let go of nostalgia and move on to bigger and better things. To each his own I guess though.

>>1069907

>objectively

YOU WERE GOING FINE

YOU DROPPED IT FUCKFACE

>>1069908

>>1069865
There isn't even anything remotely like Doom coming out anymore.
If there were great FPS based on it coming out nowadays, I might agree, but seriously? Playing a 90s shooter is refreshing today because modern ones are completely different games, and I personally think they're pretty damn terrible.

Also, Doom will never age.

post with your trip already

>>1069920
>Also, Doom will never age.
but it already has aged. like ass I might add.

>>1069923
What about it has aged like ass?
Provide arguments or stop posting.

>>1069882
>With mods and shit it's okay.

• High resolution
• Maybe an improved HUD
• …

I can't think of anything else

>>1069924
You might want to try that again

>>1069929
Uhhh... mouse control + look? that makes a huge difference son.

>>1069927
>asking to provide arguments of why Doom has aged

Top kek. It clearly isn't worth it as you're totally delusional.

>>1069923
How so? The gunplay is still some of the best in the genre, the sounds/music are fine, the graphics are sufficient, and there's no need for a story. If the gameplay wasn't fun, I don't think there'd still be people playing it and creating content for it 20 years after its release.

I'm all up your mods, modding your mods with shit I obsess about, like sounds.

>Brutal Doom tweaks
http://www.mediafire.com/download/by0jkgkjl01avwf/Brutal_Doom_SPERGLORD_EDITION.zip

>Accessories to Murder tweaks
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wvfq5bc4dqcdsny/ww-doomnukem_SPERGLORD_EDITION.zip

>>1069848
Hardmode, is that you?

>>1069934
mouse control was in the original and i don't like mouselook (freelook, lookupanddown)

Is it okay to play Episode 4 in Survival mode with 3 lives? I don't plan on making a server, I just want to get done with Thy Flesh once and for all

>>1069934
Vanilla Doom has mouselook.
If you're playing the original episodes with 360 looking you're an idiot.

>>1069942
>mouse control was in the original
The mouse actually made you move though. It wasn't for look alone. For this reason it was a joke and nobody used it.

>dated controls out the ass

>>1069945
>Vanilla Doom has mouselook.
see >>1069947

>If you're playing the original episodes with 360 looking you're an idiot.
>implying the lack of 360 mouse movement and having auto aim to compensate isn't a dated feature of Doom

Just admit that it has dated son, christ. You're being very silly.

>>1069941
Dont you mean DKG?

>>1069947
>nobody used it
Except, you know, John Romero and every deathmatch player worth a damn ever.

>>1069947
Nice talking out of your ass, that could be disabled easily.
So, from what I gather Doom has aged because you can't be bothered to set up basic shit in the options and need someone to do it for you.
Thanks for the insight.

>>1069934
additional to >>1069942: its my subjective list of necessary doom modifications so no, mouselook isn't on it

oh, i thought of another one: being able to turn movebob off

>>1069954
>that could be disabled easily.
Except it couldn't son. Not in the control options. Nice try.

>>1069952
Who cares? Moving the mouse to actually make you move is a terribly dated and inferior form of control. Hence why nobody uses it anymore. It is one of the many dated features of vanilla Doom.

>>1069947
>The mouse actually made you move though. It wasn't for look alone. For this reason it was a joke and nobody used it.
I do

I have strafe left+right keys, forward on a mouse button, and for quick manoeuvering in circles whilst dodging i move the mouse backwards and forwards

I can't play with freelook because i lose the ability to move with the mouse and most of my agility with it

>>1069956

>being able to turn movebob off

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, I keep forgetting the console command of that one

I *think* it's "movebob 0". Also it's fine to disable it, hell, in the Doom 2 tournament both players disabled it and no-one whined about it

>>1069964
Lel. Try those retarded controls in Quake 3 and see what happens to you.

>>1069962
>in the Doom 2 tournament both players disabled it and no-one whined about it
Really? Did they use WASD controls even before they became standard?

>>1069964
>I can't play with freelook because i lose the ability to move with the mouse and most of my agility with it
That's because you suck. Probably why you're still playing Doom.

>>1069949
Great, now half the thread is hidden. Thanks, guys.

Wtf is wrong with everyone, we dnot hear about DKG for 3 threads and now everyone takes the bait.
I thought we were better than that.

>>1069968
Quake 3 is a completely different game, anon.

>>1069967
>WASD is standard

additional to >>1069964: i cannot use WASD at all, i've tried so many times to find a keyboard setup that allows me to use freelook but it just does not want to happen. 14 years of muscle memory trained for forward/backward movement with the mouse does not shift easily

>>1069975
Didn't mean to reply.

>>1069968
tell me about it. even in doom... it's definitely why i'm shit at deathmatch. that and my reactions aren't fast enough to play against other people (the monsters have slow reactions as well)

>people expect Doom to play like a modern shooter
>complaining about autoaim
>not realizing that Doom isn't about precise aiming but projectile avoidance, map knowledge and ammo/health conservation

Are some really this retarded?

>>1069973
>>WASD is standard
Of course WASD is standard now. jesus fucking christ what are you smoking m8?

>>1069990
apparently these days using > means disagreement/mockery, not quoting/paraphrasing

>>1069995
*not allowed to hate it

i know it's fucking standard but that doesn't mean i don't hate it

>>1069993
Oh, sorry.

>>1069848
I am now going to admit I have been rusing all of you. I love Doom. Christ, can't believe you took the bait this hard, /vr/, but I actually felt bad for carrying on like this.

Please, as you were.

>>1070007
>Still buttmutilated even after the troll reveal

>>1070005
you were only pretending to be retarded

>>1070007
>>>/v/
>>>/v/

>>1070014
Trolls are the fucking cancer of this site. It's not smart, it's not funny, the only thing you can be proud of is being so pathetic that you spread lies to fuck up an internet discussion about a video game. Good job.

>That post doesn't exist anymore.

pls do the same with the same dude's posts so we can prove something

>>1070020
I deleted it myself out of courtesy. It wasn't the mods. here I'll put it back, for its relevance, this time animooted.

how much of a true doom metal head are you /vr/? Do you own the OST?

>>1070027
didn't they fuck up the intermission music's speed on that OST release

>>1070027

heh, if I only had monies and happen to be fortunate to find the black CD I would buy it

when I was a lad, I played a simpsons version of doom I got on three floppies at a computer fair. around 1996 I think.
I have never been able to find that same WAD.

anyone else know about simpsons WADs for nostalgia's sake?

>>1070032
it's a bit faster yeah. Most of the songs are ideal for me though. Although I don't like how donna to the rescue takes two verses to get to the meat of the track, it's cool.

donna to the rescue is also the best track in all DOOMs.

>>1070031
this black enough for you? Also, try watching it on Amazon. I got it off there really luckily. You can wishlist it or something, got it for $17. I haven't been able to find it anywhere else.

>>1070050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZLN4WOS1Ts

This?

>>1070091
unfortunately not. the one i am thinking of only changed the monster textures and sound effects.. i can recall that ned flanders was the imp, and he threw flaming bibles. and cacodemons were TV's.

>>1070050

Simpsons Doom? I think this is the one

http://www.doomwadstation.com/main/ulsimpsons/

>>1070112
but hey I have just found the version i'm thinking of. now to find a copy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3nebQYtQEI

DOOM is still the fastest game ever made. Although, Duke3D may be a good competitor for that spot.

I'd like to see more high-speed shooters like DOOM and Duke. Would be cool.

>>1070123
None of the build engine games are comparable to Doom in sheer speed. The only game from the time period that can claim that is ROTT, where Lorelei Ni was so fast that she was nearly uncontrollable.

>>1070129
Duke has 3 dimensional combat, however. And a lot of the weapons play with the flow of combat in more unique ways.

I'd really like to see more developers experiment with shooters like DOOM. DOOM is essentially a bullet hell from first person at its best, but I can definitely see much more room for experimentation.

Perfect Hatred is still the greatest level ever designed.

>>1070114
It's more like The Sompsins Doom than The Simpsons.

It's like I'm really fighting in a war!

>>1070271
fuk the police

can we just agree from now on that any instance of "lul doom is shit" is to be ignored?

>>1070136
doom isn't a bullet hell 3/4 of the enemies are melee or have hit scan bullets

doom is actually most similiar to over-head run n gun (shock troops, the overhead levels of contra)

doom is about positioning, exploration, and ammo managment

bullet hells are about memorization, insane-twitch skills, and not panicking

overhead shoots are about positioning and aiming

How many Mancubi at once is too many to dodge?

>>1070362
in a line id say about 6

>>1070280
hahaha what

>>1070362
I think it's not about the amount of Mancubus, but the space of the room.

you almost feel sorry for the things

>>1070360
>doom isn't a bullet hell 3/4 of the enemies are melee or have hit scan bullets

Hitscan/Melee Enemies:

Demon
Spectre
Chaingunner
Sergeant
Spider Mastermind
Zombie Trooper

Projectile Enemies:

Arachnotron
Baron of Hell
Hell Knight
Cacodemon
Cyberdemon
Imp
Mancubus
Lost Soul (Technically it's hitting you but it deals damage on touch like a projectile and is faster than many of the actual projectiles)
Pain Elemental
Revenant

Weird Ass Dunno What to Classify as Enemies:

Archvile

>>1070362

First you have to keep in mind *how* they shoot, it's not a streamlined fireball, they often go to the left, other times there's enough room for you to just stand still and keep shooting at them.

I'd say that as long as they aren't placed in such a way that when they start firing you don't have room to strafe and shit, you're good to go.

>>1070372

>DOOR STUCK, DOOR STUCK! PLEASE...I BEG YOU!!!

>>1070379

Though I actually agree it is more about positioning and isn't like a bullet hell.

>>1070369
It's some sort of lore thing in HD. If you reload the assault rifle before it's completely empty, you save the excess powder and use it with brass casings obtained by firing the battle rifle to make additional battle rifle mags.

>>1070372

Poor meatball demons

>>1069940
Can you tell us what's in the Brutal Doom tweaks?

Also, if anyone could point me in the right direction to edit out Brutal Doom's screen shaking effects, I would much appreciate it.

/vr/ kills each other nothing else

DM server with skins. Lets frag each other /vr/oom.

>>1070492
Cmon guys, dont leave me hanging.

>>1070492
>Nothing else
>with skins
Choose one.

>>1070512

I'll be in a sec, readin an article atm

>>1070517
go ask digger he made the server
>>1070560
aight ill rejoin and wait for you

>>1070379
>Archvile

It's definitely a hitscan attack. A very painful, dramatically telegraphed hitscan attack.

>>1070570
Hey.
Fuck off and die already

>>1070574
Reminder these reactions would not be as gratuitous if she were a man.

>>1070574
>>>1070570
>Hey.
>Fuck off and die already

There are two princess tripfaggots, this one isn't the trolling one.

>>1070574
>Hey.
>Fuck off and die already

There are two princess tripfaggots, this one isn't the trolling one.

>>1070586
They're both shitstains.

>>1070580
>she

>>1070592
ebin x_DDDDDD!

>>1070592
And yet who's shitting up the thread with off-topic hostility? Not the tripfag who made a relevant comment, that's for sure.

>>1070601
Hey, why don't you leave your trip off like that from now on?
Maybe then everyone won't think you're the attention whoring worthless cunt that you most certainly are

>>1070607
>>1070574

I have better things to do than argue with undesirables from /v/, but I'll leave this here.

Thank you based mods

>>1070610
Hey.
You linked the wrong posts there.

>>1070631
epic :-DDDDDDDDDDD
>>>/v/

>>1070631
So fucking clever.

Faggot

>>>/v/

oh god i leave you guys for 5 MINUTES and THIS SHIT happens?

>>1070679
It's what happens whenever HI/v/ victims are not treated.

The only treatment I know of HI/v/ is death.

Help a nigga up

what was the name of that old-ass program which was supposed to draw "realistic" mountains in Doom format?

>>1070570
It can be knocked out of the attack as well as avoided much easier than the lolsprayandpray chaingunners/shotgunners from a far. Hitscan yes, but unlike modern bull-lots shooter: 50 shades of brown

>>1070702

Nevermind, found it

http://grubber.drdteam.org/page.php?p=64

ZTerrain; I expect nothing but fucked up results. Pic related seems to be an example of the results

>>1070731
wow, it generates that using slopes? that's pretty cool

>>1070731
All it does is make a massive grid of quads with vertex slope things afaik.

>>1070780

Yeah, also I opened the example wad in GZDB and I told the program to fill the rest of the untextured linedefs and it's taking ages. It might as well crash in any moment

Dynamite.wad MAP08
What the hell is that music?
I recognize it, but I can't put my finger on it.

>>1070731
Is it actually able to generate a traversal path + enemies?
Can you run a map through a map generator to spice up/add the enemies in random locations? if not can someone please create a program/wad that will?
Can you choose settings, or is it completely random? (cave, outdoors, lake, lavalake, etc...)

>>1070807

>Is it actually able to generate a traversal path + enemies?

Nope, just the terrain

>Can you run a map through a map generator to spice up/add the enemies in random locations? if not can someone please create a program/wad that will?

This thing was made back when ZDoom was in 2.0.x. Also the dude who made this promised back in 2005 to make the 2.0 ver. of this thing and release the source code and errythan.

>Can you choose settings, or is it completely random? (cave, outdoors, lake, lavalake, etc...)

Dunno

>>1070798
The lump name has Contra in it so there's your answer?

Could someone help me with soundtrack problems?
I fucking love Final Doom's OST and I've been listening to the MIDIs. However, I just use the default Win7 soundfont and although I like how the songs sound with it I keep reading that it's a terrible soundfont. So what is the most "authentic", perhaps, or just the best soundfont to use?

I took some test pics from the example wad using GZDoom 1.8.2. I tweaked the ceiling texture so it could use F_SKY.

Here's the results. I can post the edited WAD if you want, too

>Go on DM server
>Play for a bit, win every game
>hands hurts so sto pplaying
>now im tired as shit
>tfw i cant doom seriously for an extended period of time

>>1070850

Here's another screenie

>>1070852

I know that feel, my head tends to hurt a little, that's why I can't even finish a single WAD in one sitting if it takes me too much to finish a level

You now know that Doomguy is actually Bill Gates in a trenchcoat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gun4erVV8CM

Digger can't host servers for shit.

Poor guy.

>>1070856

Want me to swim inside this?

>>1070824
anyone?

>>1070857
>PC is the entertainment platform of the future
>BOOM
>Don't interrupt me!
based Bill.

>>1070861

Ok, here I am, swimming in harmless lava

I forgot to add, this level is in ZDoom in Hexen format. When you select Visual mode it won't display like in the screenshots, since it's just a map filled with "Set Floor Slope" things across every sector.

>>1070869
>he fired the gun without touching the trigger
Bill confirmed psychic

>>1070857
>720p
you expect me to believe that youtube?

>>1070857

>lazily walks up to the middle of the room after he just massacred everyone in it

oh, bill

>>1070892

Here's the last screenie. The "fixed" map can be downloaded here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qzxyrd62el8zt5/testlava2.wad

>>1070896
>>1070896

You know what I hate? When youtube argues that a video is HD when just the stupid watermark from the dumbass who uploaded the vid is the only think that it's in HD

>>1070919

>the only think

*the only thing

>>1070919
I wonder why he even bothered to upload it in 1080p if the vid is super low res.

Good deathmatches, grenades, super shotguns and miniguns everywhere and people dying. Also Eric hax *revenant screaming*

>>1070996
Name of the WAD?

>>1070996
Eric is extremely good at Doom. I don't play online much, but every time I do, he is there, and he destroys everyone. I am terrified to leave my singleplayer wad without my shotgun at my side.

>>1071007
Dynamite DM

>>1071016
Thanks.

>>1071015
y-you too

seriously though I'm nowhere near good enough to go pro and I don't really know why I do so well against you guys

>>1071031
I guess those aimbots must help.

>>1071057
>eric
>aimbots

>>1071080
Probably because /vr/ hasn't been around for a year, yet.

That'd be pretty cool, though.

>>1071031
Well, I am a keyboard player, but I still suck regardless. Also, why doesn't /vr/ have an annual championship match?

Anybody want to post some Doom reaction pictures? I have a few, but I'm always looking for more.

>>1071116

>>1071116

>>1071116

>>1071116

>>1071116

>>1071116

>>1071116
http://www.mediafire.com/download/c68b7lva6j9na3u/Doom_pics.rar

>>1071127
>dat filename

Why isn't anyone playing, I was at least hoping you americans would be here after being woken up at 6 am.

>>1071141
I'm free for hosting. What you want up?

>>1071141

If one thing is true, we need more yurobros

Also, muh biological clock is beyond salvation

>>1071141
>>1071148
I dunno about you bitches but I want some Samsara Melee only duelling

>>1071141

I'm in the community chest server but whoever set it up put dm item settings cause there's no ammo pickups but like 8 ssg pickups.

>>1070824
>I fucking love Final Doom's OST and I've been listening to the MIDIs. However, I just use the default Win7 soundfont and although I like how the songs sound with it I keep reading that it's a terrible soundfont. So what is the most "authentic", perhaps, or just the best soundfont to use?
The "authentic" would be a 1992 hardware Roland wavetable. The default Windows soundfont is a 4Mb Roland soundfont.

The 'best' Roland soundfont you can get is 'Virtual Sound Canvas'. Through the usage of fluidsynth.dll you can make GZDoom/Foobar make use of .sf2 soundbanks to output the midis. The rvsc.sf2 file is 53.8Mb.

With fluidsynth.dll and extracted Audigy drivers you can find some 8Mb-16Mb Roland soundfonts to use with Doom.

Anyone who recommends a 3rd party soundfont, such as weeds or fluid or silverspring, is trolling you.

Here are some wads in a nonsensical format that you can extract oggs from. These aren't ideal, but, they're definitely better than what you're doing now anyway.

http://sycraft.org/content/audio/doom.shtml

>>1071157
if you do this, turn samsara_uniquestart 4 and samsara_chainsawstart 2

I'm done with /v/ for the day.

>>1071185
That breaks alot though, Sec Off gets his smg, etc.

>>1071187
The city levels in Doom 2 were pretty bad.

>>1071187
To be fair, Doom 2 does have pretty shit map design. The rest of that post is bullshit though.

>>1071193

In melee-only mode, the saws/uniques are converted to different weapons.

>>1071190

Keep in mind, Doom 2 was released in the last quarter of 1994. At the time anything that could resemble a city could be pretty well accepted.

However, the Doom community was talking more about a TC for UDoom (Aliens) instead of the second game. Also, if you read Masters of Doom you'll find out how rushed Doom 2 was

>>1071201
Yeah, and in duelling, sometimes they're not converted right.

>>1071204
in test4?

>>1071215
I dunno, but unless Term's patched it since .29b, it's still like that

>>1071190
Bad at looking like a real city, maybe. Good at being a different style of map where you have to poke around and figure out a good route, especially from a pistol start.

Made this.
Am I doin it rite?

>>1071521
Cool.

>>1071170
I tried searching for "rvsc.sf2", but got no results. Could you help a fellow doomer?

>>1071521

muh humble t8

>>1069920
Painkiller is a recent (wel... in comparison) fps that felt similar to build/IDTech 1 shooters

So after looking about a bit it seems like SDL has problems with newer operating systems, meaning both Choco and PrBoom will lag after each track loop. I also haven't found any information on how to fix the fucking thing.

Welp, seems like it's time for Dosbox to play my vanilla wads.

>>1071581
Painkiller is an arena slaughterfest, like Serious Sam or Will Rock (bad game, but still).
They're only marginally similar in movement and shooting, Doom isn't about going from one big room to another and killing everything until a magical switch opens up.

>>1070113
>http://www.doomwadstation.com/main/ulsimpsons/
Damn that was funny

What are some good deathmatch megawads?

>>1071607

The most recent 32-in-24 that won a Cacoward
UDMX
And of course, Dwomga in shuffle mode

>>1071127
I don't get it. Is this a reference to the age of Doomworld users?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r1lt-XHdeg

What do you think about this /doom/?

>>1071640
>5. Need chuck norris
Woah, have you not been on the internet for like 10 years?

>>1071187
>Going to /v/ unironically

>>1071629
Where can I get Dwomga?

>>1070850
Oh god it looks like fucking Minecraft.

>>1071646
Why would you go to /v/ ironically?

That doesn't even make sense.

>>1071521
>>1071552
This shows how much chatacter has /vr/.
I'm glad I found this board, it is so different from the shit 4chan.

>>1071761
>Character /vr/ has.*
Seriously, I had some hard bad typos there!

>>1071552

>>1071551
Fluidsynth dll (required to get):
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/zdoom/

While running GZDoom/ZDoom you have to tell it where to find the .sf2 you intend to use, you can edit the .ini or use the console like this:
fluid_patchset agitating.sf2

Also, the Roland VSC is several hundred dollars and also basically out of print so finding it is a pain int he ass. You will mostly find it as DXI and VST instruments for musicians that are (nearly) useless for gaming.

mediafire com/download/cu0wncrd0ecmh5d/Patch93%27s+Roland+SC-55+Soundfont+V1.9.rar

Soundfonts are often compressed by SFPack for NO FUCKING REASON BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON DIALUP ANYMORE. So, to actually extract the .sfpack in that Mediafire link, you need this.

http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/SF-Pack-Download-73091.html

Extract it to the same folder as the sf2, run it, close it. Then double click the sf2pack, click 'go' to extract it right there.

This is how you get SC-55.sf2.

Most people couldn't afford a Roland wavetable or Roland VSC back in the day. It's the way the music was intended to sound but the high end way that was feasible for users is a Gravis Ultrasound, which sounds different...

>>1071821
>Soundfonts are often compressed by SFPack for NO FUCKING REASON BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON DIALUP ANYMORE.

I have a soundfont on here that when uncompressed is 2 fucking gig.

>>1071551
>>1071821
Doom 3 BFG ships with a Gravis Ultrasound patchset so it's clear id themselves have some nostalgia for the Gravis sound. You can also get this working on your port of choice with a little effort.

Here is the official, real, Gravis patch set finally fully released and available for all for use:
http://doomworld.com/idgames/?id=17127

To make use of that with a port, you will have to install Timidity++ for Zdoom. Setting it up is a bigger ordeal than just adding a .dll and a single configuration line because Timidity is it's own entirely separate program.

http://zdoom.org/wiki/TiMidity%2B%2B

That'll set you straight. Timidity is just a free software midi-to-wav tool basically. For years it was the only way Linux could play midis. The 'default' patch set people used with it was 'EAWPats', so, again, many Doomers recognize that sound as the 'real' sound.

Fluidsynth + SC-55.sf2 = 100% genuine doom sound, but was really fucking expensive.
Timidity + Gravis patches = A very high end Doom sound that was within reasonable price for high end L33T gaming PCs in the early 90's.

>>1071824
Yeah and? My brother's a musician who has about 30 gigs of vst's. You can't really do anything with it while it's in a .sfpack can you?

Even if it does have a legitimate purpose for storage on the harddrive the file we are discussing is under 100Mb and the Doom megapack always posted in the header of these forums is way bigger.

I concede that maybe SFArk has a purpose in 2013. I do not believe that purpose is necessary on a 60mb file.

>>1071552
make one that has the hook and a whole load of monsters have actually taken the hook and the caption is E3M3 - PANDEMONIUM

>>1071227
Also good at getting you killed by hitscanners on the other side of the map that you didn't know were there.

>E2M2
>tfw you get that one berserker pack

>>1071897
stop running around with 5% health

>>1071905
I'm not.

>>1071829
Oh shit, hey guys I just noticed something. You don't need Timidity to use the GUS patches. So, download those official Gravis patches from that Doomworld, extract them to a folder, and then there's this line in the gzdoom.ini file:
gus_patchdir=J:\#Games\Doom\dgguspat

So... fuck Timidity I guess.

>>1069989
it used to be about that.
Now with better mouse aim it takes a lot of the intensity out of the combat though.
Autoaim was only ever useful because playing FPS with a keyboard was so imprecise.
Think of it of evening the playing field.

>>1071947
>Think of it of evening the playing field.
>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>1071947
You realize Doom was made with mouse controls in mind right?

>>1071974
then how come they were so shit?

>>1071974
DOOM confirmed for casual babbyshit.
Autoaim and it was even designed to be played with mice.

>>1071979
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>1071978
They weren't? I never had problems with my Windows 95 copy.

>>1071829
>>1071821
Thanks a bunch, I would've been fine with just a link to that soundfont. Thanks again.

>>1071992
I made it verbose enough to make it into the copypasta that starts every thread. Someone should extract the .sf2 and include it in the Doom pack honestly, along with fluidsynth.dll. There's actually tons of fluidsynths but the one I linked is the only one that works with Doom, go figure.

Enjoy your vastly improved Doom tunes.

>>1072009
eh, you linked the dev builds, not the fluidsynth from the zdoom wiki. Might correct that for the pasta.

Also, any recommended configuration for reverb and chorus of fluidsynth?

Thanks again.

>>1071978
I have no idea why people complain so much about mouse controls in Doom. Yeah you move back and forward a little bit if you don't toggle it off, it takes like 30 seconds to get used to.

>>1072010
Reverb and chorus can be set to taste but I find the defaults fine, actually. Once you get into pwads with their own midis you might have to scale back the reverb and chorus so they don't sound blown out so you may as well leave them flat.

Also, look again at that dev builds. Fluidsynth.7z is at the bottom. This is just where they keep a copy of a build of it. The wiki links directly to that build I just thought it would be more transparent showing that.

Fluidsynth is a semi-big project with lots of builds in the internet. The one that they maintain is the only one that works with ZDoom/GZDoom/PRBoom.

I should have been more clear about that but I was making fairly large posts as it was and I didn't want to have to cull them back to fit into the size limit on 4chan. Apologies.

>>1072012
not to mention that using a novert TSR was considered legal for compet-n

(that's why chocolate doom can get away with having a novert option even though the original game doesn't)

Speaking of soundfonts

>use WeedsGM3
>about to play Community Chest 4
>make it to map 19
>mfw the music
>mfw max volume

>>1071552
>hook on wire
>not a megasphere

>>1072010
Oh, there's going to be a pasta? Well then lemme see if I can clean it up to honor the neverending Doom thread. Single post:

The authentic Doom music sound is a Roland SC-55, which is an external hardware wavetable. The software alternative is Roland Virtual Sound Canvas, which is out of date and hates multicore systems. Roland VSC is not a soundfont, it is more of a system driver.

There are many other soundfonts; Silverspring, Weeds, and Fluid are common suggestions. These all have a unique sound and are across-the-board inferior to the Roland sample set.

Patch93 of Youtube has converted Roland VSC into a soundfont for use with good soundcards or a software synthesizer. Version 1.9:
*insert corrected SC-55.sf2 link, fuck sfark*

A soundfont can be used directly with ZDoom/GZDoom/PRBoom+ if you put the following .dll in the port's install folder:
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/zdoom/fluidsynth.7z

Alternatively, (G)ZDoom also supports GUS patches. If you have Doom 3 BFG installed you can find a patch set in the Classic folder or you can download an official copy free here to use:
http://doomworld.com/idgames/?id=17127

You have to configure the .cfg/.ini of the ports so they know where the .sf2/gus-folder is so they can use it.

http://zdoom.org/wiki/FluidSynth
http://zdoom.org/wiki/GUS

http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3425
MOTYAY

>>1072469

>Ivan

LOOK AT THAT FUNHATER

I used to be something like 6 when I watched my dad play Doom. I told him to "shoot the raspberries!"

>>1072608
That's absolutely adorable.

Internet connection is out or id ask in irc, but: hey terminus, want this? Got bored and made it yesterday When my net went out.

Posting from phone. Is shit.

>>1072695
Lol upside down pic... ah well. I have one without the it flame too

[slaughter intensifies]

>>1072695

Shiiiiiiit that looks fiiiiiiiiine.
If you're down with it, I'd definitely take it. Probably tweak it a bit to be a little more goth-y, but that looks daaaamn fine.

Just woke up and saw the soundfont discussion. Gettin my ass on making a soundfont pastebin, gimmie a few mins to a few hours.

>>1072709
Is this normal Hexen?

>>1072910
The mapset is Scourge of Viscerus: http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=16118
It's pretty good so far. Some tough bossfights and the puzzles aren't nearly as aggravating as Hexen's.

The gameplay mod is Hexercise: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33766
It's my go-to Hexen mod. Fixes tons of balance issues and overall makes the game way less tedious.

Well then, someone in a drawthread on /v/ just made this.

>>1073023
>tfw you you will never be able to hug a SS Headless

>>1073023
revenant > SS headless
but
revenant's AAAAAA < SS headless's AAAAA

>>1073025
>tfw you have no head and you must scream

>>1073023

SO FUCKING GLORIOUS

>>1073048

If Revenant's AAAA's were actually CONSTANT, then he would beat them easily.

Also, the other dumbass dies trying to kill SS, the revvie agitates you till either you or him die.

>>1072908
http://pastebin.com/y0Mnk9s4
It's done. Please tell me if I missed anything.

>>1073062
It looks like you nailed every single point extremely well.

Just an additional note, Fluidsynth, Bassmidi, and Timidity are all common software synthesizers. Bassmidi is actually available as an option for the midi input plugin for Foobar. So, you can then play midis in Foobar with any of the soundfonts.

Which means you can also use Foobar's built in encoder options to output mp3s of the sc-55.sf2-rendered midis.

Which is actually worth pointing out because most PRBoom ports on smartphones rely on in-folder mp3s to render the music as opposed to having native midi renderers.

Which is kind of dumb because Android can actually play midis, but hey I just thought I'd point it out if someone is tired of Doom in Retroarch not having a beat.

>>1073091
I have never set up Fluidsynth or Bassmidi myself, but I do have a Timidity++ driver set up. I may be able to add setup instructions for Flyidsynth and Bassmidi drivers, though I probably won't do one for Fluidsynth because it's pretty shitty besides being easy to set up in ZDoom. And yeah, I play midis via foobar with bassmidi all the time. It's how I was able to easily make descriptions for the soundfonts.

Which reminds me that I should redo my song packs. Thanks for reminding me.

>>1073104
No problem, glad to help the /vr/ Doom bread one slice at a time.

>>1072608
>raspberries

I have an old issue of Game Players from before Doom game out, and in the preview pics one of the captions is "This horned raspberry lights up as he shoots."

>>1073104
..And now, the song packs. Might do some other retro FPSes as well.
Doom 1:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/DOOM1.7z

Doom 2:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/DOOM2.7z

CELEBRATION TIME!

http://mozai.com/temp/data/MARS.WAD

DANCE, MOTHERFUCKERS!

>>1073346

HERE'S OUR GREATEST HERO

MARS3DGUY

>>1073346
w-wait, is this that japanese doom-duke ripoff?

>>1073378

*taiwanese

And yes, they cracked it a few hours ago; someone wrote a phyton script to revert it back to .wad (it was a .mad file)

The textures are quite clever edits of many Doom textures. Some others are just plain ripoffs. But all I can say is that what actually is the OC from that mod, it's some quite well done material

The civilians stand out the most. Oh, and the Predator that serves as the final boss? it has fucking rotations.

>>1073370
MARS3DGUY for Samsara when?

>>1073389
What'd they do to crack it/How did they crack it?
That's amazingly cool.

Maybe this could be voted for some sort of Cacoward haha.

How do you guys feel about mouse-look.

>>1073346
How am I supposed to play this?

>>1073417
its not actually playable, the game runs on a reversed engineered engine. The wad is only usefull for the data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7nUn9kMbAo
I found this, can we get a couple of doom creepypasta going? Im curious about those.

>>1073418
Mouse-look is possible in vanilla doom, so I'm fine with it.
Freelook on the other hand, I will only use if the WAD was designed with it in mind.

>>1073423
If all the data is there, then maybe a more functional (if not fully functional) version could be made?

Also the wad appears to be a hacked version of the shareware Doom wad.

>>1073417

>>1073432

>>1073428
I guess a Doom remale is entirely possible but i dont think well see a MARS3D port.

>>1073418
I've settled on preferred old-fashioned mouse turning only + autoaim, but having playing a shit ton of Doom both ways, I don't think mouselook affects the game as much as people like to make out. Sniping is easier and I spent more time/ammo plinking away with mouselook, but the change in overall difficulty is not substantial barring specific moments like Icon of Sin.

>>1073418
As long as you can't look up, it's ok.

>>1073434
Oh shit.

What's currently the best way to play Doom 64 that's not an emulator?

This should be required reading for /vr/ doom threads.

And here's a PDF if you're a poorfag.
http://www.mita.lt/uploads/files/96840060_document_2_13464824385073.pdf

>>1073418
I use it because I find the default x plane is way too Goddamn low for me. Also I like to look around.

And it seriously doesn't make a difference on like 90% of maps anyways.

>>1073115
photo

>>1073423
Couldn't we make a Dehacked patch or something that could make it playable, a la Hacx?

>>1073445
>>1073475
Actually I feel it makes a huge difference, most enemies have a specific line of site that is naturally abused when using mouse look.

>>1073470

>>1073495

>>1073486
Like a total conversion?
I supposed that would make it a playble maybe? idk.

>>1073489
>most enemies have a specific line of site that is naturally abused when using mouse look.

Uh, what? You need to explain what you mean because if anything Doom monsters can see and shoot you even when they are high/low enough to be out of your vision.

There are rare cases like monsters hiding in pits that you can cheese by looking almost straight down at them, but it's hardly the norm.

>>1073496

>>1073508
What's going on here, exactly? If the wad isn't playable, what are you doing to get these screenshots?

>>1073514
It works fine with Doom 1.

>>1073508

BEHOLD, /vr/oom: THE ULTIMATE AGITATION

>>1073346
>>1073521
>>1073346

Looks nice. I'll check it out

>spend an hour trying to get randomized taunts to work
>your formatting in sndinfo must be off
>can't find the problem
>why can't I find the problem
>am I retarded
>realize you never imported the sound files into the wad

>>1073601
>coding something
>something isn't working
>can't find the problem
>why can't I find the problem
>am I retarded
>realize I had the file required for the thing to work in the wrong folder

everytime

>>1073610

It's a glove ya dingus.

>>1073610
it's his arm foreskin

>>1073521

Holy shit, has Doomguy's wrist always been that wrinkly?

>>1073610
They're veins.

>>1073613
>takes off glove to punch things
doomguy, everyone

>>1073618

Well he wants to really feel them punches.

redoing fist sprites 2expensive4id

>>1073618
A glove would only soften the punch.
Also, uploads soon.

>>1073621
I'll do these in twos.
Also, these use the SGM-v2.01 soundfont. The SC-55 one is nice, but the guitars are iffy.

Doom 64:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/DOOM64.7z

Heretic:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/HERETIC.7z

>>1073613
Did 90s first person games have a fetish for leather gloves or something? I see it in a bunch of games

I had totally forgotten about this. Not only is this nostalgic as fuck, but my inner child is still afraid of this game and it makes my heart race while playing it, guess I know what I'm doing for the rest of the day.

>>1073737
It was cool back then, just like fedoras were cool once, back in the day of people getting them tailor fitted so they wouldn't look shit (prohibition era).

Beat Doom 2 just the other night, been a while and its the first one I have finished since i downloaded stuff from a doom thread a couple weeks ago.

I still cannot figure out how to use the 100 top WADs thing you guys told me to download

>>1073760
Read the FAQ. This also applies to singular wads.
Q - How do I load multiple WADs/PK3s/PK7s?
A - Drag them onto the EXE (ctrl-click to add, load order is first to last) or use ZDL (load order is up to down).
ZDL download: http://data.vectec.net/zdl/qzdl/ZDL-3.2.2.2-stable.zip

Are there any wads with libraries?

Pic related, from Alice.

>>1073767

I remember PSX DOOM wad having an mansion secret level, that felt like a giant library

>>1073767
Never did play Alice. Looks kind of Heretic 2-ish.

>>1073428

>shareware Doom wad.

Nope, the whole retail game.

Well, not exactly the "whole" thing, it goes from E1M1 to E1M7 (no sekrit level) to the whole Episode 2 and from E3M1 to E3M4 (w/no secret) I think

>>1073767
Back when Zandronum was named Skulltag there was a map pack that actually had an Alice themed map for domination, sadly it's not played anymore, it might be hosted but don't hold your breathe on it.

>>1073767
the cathedral map in Deus Vult 2 has a library section. oh and there is a large library in Hell Ground by Eternal

>>1073767
Just go play Dark Souls?

More musix. This time with the SC-55 soundfont, since these soundtracks in specific sound better with it.

HeXeN
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/HEXEN.7z

Duke Nukem 3D
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/DUKE3D.7z

>>1073907
Not retro, nig.

>>1073910
>Not retro
In spirit it is.

Hey,

are there any GOOD (I played that Ghoul Forest thing) horror mods with actual good stoires or atmospehres ?

>>1073916

Unloved, I guess.

So guys, let's say I made some DOOM patches. Would you buy a 3-6 dollar patch that had something DOOM-y on it? I'd be selling them only to get my money back.
What would you want to see on a patch? The logo? A round parch with a caco on it? The UAC logo, in the style of a corporate patch? Once I get ideas and some pledges, I might go for it.

>>1073941
I would love to have a cacodemon and UAC logo patch. Too bad I'm broke as shit.

>>1073346

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua31MI1e5Vo

It's shit

>>1073970
It's not meant to be played. It's a resource wad.

>>1073974

Hmm, was a fine little experiment nonetheless.

>>1073941
Zenimax's lawyers will come after you

this doesn't even mention "founder of id software" any more. he doesn't care any more. he's moved on.

>>1074007

He doesn't even care of what he did yesterday. He states somewhere in his keynote of this year, he doesn't mind anything that has happened in the past.

>>1074007

But anon, he hasn't cared for about 10 years now.

>>1074007
Why would he?

>>1071607
32in24 5 and 11
UDMX
Dwomga
Crucified Dreams
GothicDM

>>1074036
Greenwar II aswell

>>1073694
>Also, these use the SGM-v2.01 soundfont. The SC-55 one is nice, but the guitars are iffy.

Roland never had good guitars. Kurzweil is pretty good for that.

Problem with that SGM one is that it has pretty weak drums, Shawn's Got The Shotgun loses a lot of punch.

If you could drop The Drumkit From Hell on top of SGM now that'd be a fucking soundfont.

>>1073790
Though it is odd, if you have GZDoom boot just that wad and nothing else (I used ZDL) it'll apparently treat it as Shareware Doom, same thing if you try to modify stuff in the wad or load stuff onto this wad. It'll comlpain about it being Shareware Doom. Just something I found quite odd since it does include multiple episodes,

>>1073062

Alternate setup, add a soundfont manager to Windows:

http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth

Install that, set it to default, add in a soundfont, and you're done. All midi in all source ports now sounds how you want it to.

You can also load SC-55 as a base soundfont then load in a better guitar soundfont on top of it.

>>1073745
>dat resolution

>>1073423
>can we get a couple of doom creepypasta going?
No.

I played the PSX Doom TC.

Holy shit it's awesome, too bad about the whole "darker than doom 3" thing though.

>>1074280

Dude, grab the latest GZDoom and try scl_top.wad, it's a fantastic love letter to console Doom.

>>1074280

>darker than doom 3

You're supposed to run it with psxdoom.bat, otherwise it'll be stupidly dark

>>1073745
>my inner child is still afraid of this game and it makes my heart race while playing it
I wish I still had this feel.

>>1073918

Unloved is shit, so no.

>>1074427
Oh. I thought it was a useless bat file like the ones included in most megawads that just load the pwads.

>>1074510
I used to think the armor pickups were skulls when I was a kid.

>>1074510
Name of wad?

>>1074521
They still seem like a bizarre choice for armor shards unless you were going to wear a bunch of them on your head all at once.

>>1074529
Eternal Doom

>>1074535
Imagining Doomguy trying to stack a whole bunch on his head sounds hilarious.

>>1074545
Agreed. I'm kind of surprised I've never seen this MS Painted before now.

>>1074537

>>1074572

>>1069734
neat

>>1074539
Eternal Doom is inconsistent in terms of quality, some maps are good, some are average, some are just bad.

>>1074579

>>1073472
Please respond

>>1074618
>>1073472
Kind of a silly question. Playing it on the original hardware is both the "best" and more importantly - only - way to play Doom 64 that doesn't involve emulation.

>>1074631
I sold my N64 at Christmas to a guy who really wanted it and gave my Doom 64 copy to a friend who later moved to Australia.

And I don't know about best. IIRC you couldn't map the c-buttons to movement like most other 64 FPS

>>1074618
http://doom64ex.wordpress.com/

You need the Doom 64 ROM to play, but it's the most accurate port there is.

Someone come help me finish off CCHEST2.WAD.

MAP23 now. Then I'll set up a new server.

>>1074572
Someone explain me? I was too late.
I only hope it wasn't something like Doomguy "using" that hole in the back of the Pain ele.

>>1074647
http://rule34-data-003.paheal.net/_images/9d8f7c614d21ac9763e131b1785a60c5/796720%20-%20Arch-vile%20DOOM%20Pinky%20Santo(artist)%20baron_of_hell%20demon.jpg

You can still use 4chan thumbnails for GIS

>>1074658
Well, thanks but it was really worst than I tought.

>>1071015
He usually has the best ping too, keep in mind. He is really good though.

>>1074667
>>1074670
>>1074673
this map's style was so influential
it inspired much of death-destiny's stuff and half of speed of doom, amongst others

>>1074696
>Play the level
>instantly enamored by music
>further down the level, notice that it sounds like the music from GROVE.WAD
>too familiar
>check author credits
>B.P.R.D.
>Same author as GROVE.WAD, and NUTS.WAD series.

Well shit. No wonder.

>>1074432
I have that feel while playing Choc Doom. The lower resolution and brightness just boosts up the atmosphere a lot. The monster sprites stick out a lot more from the surroundings when played in high resolution and look fake. It's just my opinion, but playing it the old shitty way is more immersive somehow.

>>1074740

>>1074808

>>1074776
your imagination "fills in the blanks" as it were

>>1074818

I have a copy of the ultimate doom in my drive right now

Alright I'm a linux user with no damn games and a doom WAD, what are the best source ports out there, I've giggled till my fingers bled but there's just to damn many

also interested in levelpacks wads ect

>>1074887
Does nobody read the FAQ?
http://svn.drdteam.org/gzdoom/ -- OpenGL variant of ZDoom
http://svn.drdteam.org/zdoom/ -- THE sourceport to get for singleplayer. TONS of features.
http://www.zandronum.com/ -- The only surviving multiplayer port. Get this to play with /vr/.
http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/prboom-plus/ -- for a little more than vanilla, has great demo compatability
http://sourceforge.net/projects/chocolate-doom/ -- Faithful to original EXEs, but with bugfixes.
http://pastebin.com/EzwyW330 -- Tutorial for setting up the original EXEs.
They should come with instructions on how to run it, if not, check the old FAQ or ask in the thread.

>>1074432
I have this feel, trust me, you don't. it's fucking terrifying.

>>1074921
well you guys made me want to play choc doom with shit res and mouse only controls.

here goes nothing

>>1074894
>http://sourceforge.net/projects/chocolate-doom/ -- Faithful to original EXEs, but with bugfixes.

But that's wrong. Chocolate Doom is designed to accurately reproduce vanilla Doom as closely as possible, bugs included. There's even an included text file that lists a bunch of vanilla bugs and tells you that they aren't bugs in chocolate doom, but rather how the original behaved.

>>1074007
there's nothing left of id to even care about, id was just a vehicle for him to develop new game technologies

>>1074938
There are major bug fixes, however. Such as ones that would crash the game and whatnot.

>>1074932
I tried it, im too used to wasd to even play correctly, immersion ruined.

>tfw i cant be afraid of doom anymore

>>1074932
you can set it up for keyboard and mouse... Just no verticle look. Shit res though, yeah.

>>1074007
He's not spending the majority of his time there anymore. And he's not a sentimental guy. He's always looking to the future.

He probably hasn't played Doom since it was released.

>>1074546
[hint hint]

Strafing, yes/no? It feels OP.

>>1075014
yes, its REQUIRED for a lot of the harder wads

>>1075014
I'm not sure doom is possible WITHOUT strafing.

>>1075024
We used to play DOOM without strafing back in the day.

>>1075040
It was an option. There were even dedicated keys, and with a little bit of configuration you could even use WASD.

>>1074301
>scl_top.wad
I'm liking this but nearly all the sfx have major clipping issues.

>>1075068
...weird. I've played through it twice over the last couple of years and never heard any.

>>1075068
I played it not long ago and had no issues. Weird.

Also
>tfw you accidentally overwrite one of your saves
I was well into Remain1 with Psychic and accidentally overwrote it with DTS-T and Brutal Doom.

>>1073023
This made my whole day.

>>1073618
>>1071116
It's dull, you twit.
It hurts more.

Are there any other Doom mods as inspired as Grezzo 2?

>>1075472
Grezzo 2 is a stolen mess of mods.

>>1075480

And it's a shitload of fun

>>1074943
lies, you can still trivially crash the whole game by setting a usably high mouse sensitivity and opening the options menu

>>1075472

>as inspired as Grezzo 2?

define the inspiration of Grezzo 2 first. I might have what you're looking for, but I need to know this before doing any recommendations

>>1075493

It's a load of shit, yeah.

Dear /doom/

How would you describe the mapping concept of Thy Flesh Consumed and the monster placement?

picture of an archvile sitting as a mexican cholo unrelated

>>1075472
>657 mb

>>1075496

I guess I'm looking for another total conversion mod with a very unconventional (for DOOM) setting and atmosphere with creative level design.

Are there more DOOM mods that have open, almost sandbox-like environments to explore with secrets to find and enemies to shoot with all kinds of crazy weapons?

>>1074943
you can still trivially crash the whole game by setting a high mouse sensitivity and opening the options menu
reposted without as much aggression, sorry about that