/vr/ - Retro Games

I'm here to donate some blood.
Someone else's

Why did no future games give BJ the Spear of Destiny as a super weapon.

I got filtered by (proper) Zscript. It's over for me.

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10413464
https://archive.org/details/shadow-warrior-mapping-kit

/Vertex Relocation/
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10592017


=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
AD MORTEM FINAL CUT (v1.5.6)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3exnqm8nxg4gukhj10hcp?rlkey=r5nwzu32pfh2dtefpbjy2p49b
Ad Mortem Guns (DECORATE): https://files.catbox.moe/ihv4l4.zip

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/9941720

=== NEWS ===
[02-27] WRATH: Aeon of Ruin has finally been released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxyn-b_0YI

[02-25] Rough Waves, anon's hovercraft combat TC has been getting updates.
https://khodoque.itch.io/rough-waves

[02-19] Full MD2 viewmodels for quake 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10722736/#10727173

[02-16] Woof v.14.0.0 is out, many new options!
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_14.0.0

[02-15] Shadow Warrior texture set for Quake
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/shadow-warrior-1997-textures.316/

[02-14] Twogers RC1 is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/143368-twogers-50-more-maps-of-twitch-madness-rc1-mbf21/

[2-13] Alea Iacta Est Episode 1 for quake 2 is out
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/alea-iacta-est-episode-1

[2-6] Doom 64 CE release (3.9.0)
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10664312/#10670816

[2-6] Quake Remix Jam released
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/remix-jam.315/

[2-4] DBP64: The Vast Silence released
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3489/silence

[2-4] Yamagi Quake 2 remaster alpha build is out, Md5 support in early stages included.
https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2remaster/releases/tag/8.31RR4

[3-1] woof 14.1 maintenance release
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_14.1.0

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [dd-mm] date bracket)

>>10747943
I think it's more that you got filtered by trying to do something very complex. I could maybe help if you told what you wanted to achieve.

>>10747967
>I think it's more that you got filtered by trying to do something very complex.
That's why I said "proper". I can do bitch-basic Decorate tier stuff, but anything slightly more advanced than that and I am helpless.

I mostly wanted to try and look into the bugs of the code and add small fixes (wasn't written by me obv) I have but I struggle to even keep track of what's what.

>>10747956
why on earth would you put the latest news on the bottom of the news post?

>>10747981
Incompetence, mostly

>>10747976
Oh yeah diving into someone else's code is hard, especially since some people don't exactly use best practice when writing their code.

>I can do bitch-basic Decorate tier stuff, but anything slightly more advanced than that and I am helpless.
I think you're selling yourself short. I bet you'd have little trouble with say, doing some event handler overrides if you made the attempt.

>>10747996
>I think you're selling yourself short.
I'm not. I'm not a coder at all by nature. I prefer making maps. ACS is fine to me since it's like a list of basic commands but I don't like ZScript at all.

>>10748061
Quakbros we are so back

>>10747649
the priory doesn't actually have 888 enemies more like 450
the 5th map in every hub you do gets a bugged killcount

>>10747649
Wait until you learn that the second boss is a gimmick boss

Small update on the G-Police thing I posted last thread: the thrusters rotate on each axis now. The whole gunship is made of 5 actors glued to each other.

>>10748127
To be fair, the second part of the bossfight is more of a fight and pretty good for a Quake engine boss.

>>10748209
Yeah, that part was a lot of fun. I liked how he used the crystalized corpses against you.

Does Wrath have a fastmonsters parameter?
Because there should absolutely be a higher difficulty than Outlander which further increases enemy damage by 25%, enables fastmonsters, caps every Artifact at 3 instead of 9, and requires 3 Soul Tether pickups to generate 1 in the inventory.
That'd be fun for a repeat playthrough.

>>10748223
It's in Darkplaces, so if it already has that kind of parameter than it should still function. If not, you can just edit the game files.

>>10747935
because the paranormal has ben retconned out of it.
the zombies from The Old Blood are just infected by fungus. and yes it's lame af.
TNC has an area 51 but i doubt it has aliens either, i wouldn't know bc i never finished it...

>>10748228
The enemies already seem to spam nonstop anyway so I wonder if it's enabled by default/would actually change anything.

Ha, ha, time for some platforming.

I use a secret finder mod because fuck secrets.

>>10748383

I fucking HATE big sprawling maps. FUCK enemies from 500ft away shooting me, FUCK giant corridor skyscrapers and shit, FUCK wandering around and looking for some switch I missed because I was fighting shit. Give me a ROOM with GUNS and ENEMIES and I SHOOT THEM and then I go to the NEXT ROOM and DO IT AGAIN.

>>10748409
>I fucking HATE big sprawling maps.
lay off the social media to cure your adhd so you can enjoy setting into the rhythm of something for more than 5 seconds again
>FUCK enemies from 500ft away shooting me
get a better mouse and better eyes
>FUCK giant corridor skyscrapers and shit
corridor skyscraper is an oxymoron that ultimately means nothing, you fool
>FUCK wandering around and looking for some switch I missed because I was fighting shit.
yeah
>Give me a ROOM with GUNS and ENEMIES and I SHOOT THEM and then I go to the NEXT ROOM and DO IT AGAIN.
this does not run afoul of the other things you were complaining about, they can exist simultaneously

>>10748409
>ROOM with GUNS and ENEMIES and I SHOOT THEM
Eternal/Ultrakill might be more to your taste.

>>10748437
Serious Sam, Painkiller or KexQuake horde mode for a somewhat retro choice.

>>10748449
>KexQuake horde mode
Why the fuck we ain't got this for Quake 2 yet?

>found out vkdoom has an experimental branch which has updated zscript and shit so i can play newer mods that don't work on older versions
>they kept the gutted lighting options that GZ 4.11 introduced
I guess if you actually liked the old Standard lighting for whatever reason you can just go fuck yourself then. Or "just adjust your monitor settings" like Graf said.

>>10748435
>/vr/: corridor skyscrapers are not real, they can't hurt you
meanwhile, corridor skyscrapers:

>>10748492
You can force Standard though mapinfo or setting the cvar still I think.

>>10748496
What cvar would that be?

>>10748503
gl_lightmode, set it to 0 for "standard".

>>10748483
because there is no money to make another quake 1 and 2 patch per fucking sponge, unless people bitch microsoft to update the games again

>>10748507
No dice, that's just the new "more accurate" default lighting, none of the other gl_lightmode options have pre-4.11 Standard lighting

>>10748513
Oh wait fuck I think I found it, it's gl_maplightmode 1.

>>10748383
That's lame. Some secrets are OP and would make the game very easy if you found them all.

This game's actually pretty good.

>>10748575
sadly, no one has ever remade zero tolerance on wolf3d or even build or doom

>>10748575
It's honestly surprisingly decent for a corridor shooter on a 16-bit console. They do all they can to pack it with features, detail, and content, really trying to make the most of it.

My favorite detail of all is the snipers. You'll see what I mean eventually.
If it had been available as a PC title in early 1994, I think it would have done ok sales relative to many other shooters overshadowed by Doom and Heretic.
It's still a corridor shooter, but it has a lot of variety, more than Wolfenstein 3D.
Speaking of which, try out the Wolfenstein 3D homebrew at some point, even if just quickly, it's like 99.8% authentic to the original PC game, and without needing the 32X, seriously impressive stuff.

I hate this style.

I don't mean to sound like an idiot but I feel that Wrath is simultaneously too big and too small(or rather too simple) for it's own good.
I like big maps as much as the next guy but I'm four maps into episode 1 and I'm about ready to call it quits. It's the same 6 enemy types over and over again. It's the same three weapons(blade/pistol/shotgun) because fangs run out way too quickly and so do cysts(assuming I'd want to use the retcher for fuck all) and if I'm being honest I don't like any besides blade and shotgun. It's huge fucking 30+ minute levels but nothing really interesting about exploring them, no level wide gimmick or some complex mega-secret spanning the big level or areas where the enemy spawns feel clever or like they add anything new to the combat because it's either a medium sized indoors room or a very large outdoors area and nothing changes if I'm fighting 3 hitscanner guys + 4 projectile guys + 2 toxic zombies + 1 big toxic zombie + 6 or so flying enemies + 1 not-caco demon every time but this time it's in snowy ruins area or this time it's in underground crypt ruins or this time it's in ruins with overgrown fauna or this time it's caves+ruins.
What good are any of the artifacts in terms of gameplay, what do they add? Shit all. I've stacked 9 of Cruel Aegis, Confunding Attar, Life Siphon and Orb of Deflection and I don't want to use any of them because they really add nothing to the game, at least Heretic had you power up your weapons and reset all your consumables to 1 every level so you had an excuse to use them.

I really hate to be that guy but I feel like the game may have benefited from progression of any sort. A weapon upgrade system, enemies mutating per level finished/relic obtained, some episode long multi-level objective mega-secret. As it is now it gives me the same feeling as Amid Evil which is I'm getting kind of sick of this and I still have like 70% of the game to go, knowing that little new will be shown in that 70%.

>>10748602
The 'prototype texture' trend really is just absolute laziness disguised as aesthetic.

>>10747967
Can you help me. I've got something I can't figure out. So you know how you can have a switch, it doesnt need to be on the same wall or anything, but you press it and a door opens up? Like, it slides up? I want to do that, but when you press the switch the door slides "down" and I don't mean it's in the open position and it slides down to close, I mean it's in the closed position and it slides down to open.

>>10748602
I’m not a fan of it either so I play things I like: Something Wicked is sweet. I’ll try more levels through Reliquary later this evening.

>>10748616
at least the Q2 jam wasnt bad with those.

>>10748634
I think it's this line special: https://zdoom.org/wiki/Plat_UpWaitDownStay

What's possible depends on your map format though.

>>10748634
>>10748657
Scratch that I meant
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Plat_DownWaitUpStay

>>10748616
Like vanishing osb subfloors excpet that's expensive and stupid.

>>10748637

>>10747910
Please tell me there’s a hi-res version of OP’s picture

>>10748637
>Reliquary
Where can I find an up to date version of this? I can only find one uploaded in 2021 and another in 2022.

>>10748730
>not including the max count that also had a 69 reference
Aw dang.
>>10748769
I found out it was never finished so the 2022 one might still be the newest. It’s updated enough to play older Copper releases through it.

>>10748778
I would have been disappointed that it's only two maps if Otsegolation wasn't one of the most fun and exhilarating maps I've played. Holy shit, thanks for the rec anon. Is there anything like this for doom? I recall feeling this way playing TNT with its final doomer weaponset.

Is the only reason Doom 3 BFG edition exist was to make it playable on 7th gen consoles? So far I've found:
Improved shotgun sounds
Improved sounds mastering in general
Added in some extra new light sources
New campaign
Better UI

Rest seems to be downgrades all around:
No double barrel shotgun in main game
Removed enemy encounters maybe because of performance
Increased ammo. Original had plenty of ammo so it doesn't make much difference either way.
Less variations of sounds used because of console limitations.
I'm not whether this is true, but new lightning seems to use the same code as original with just very high brightness increase. You can get it to work like original with a command.
They've added flashlight which is great. Except it functions like basic ducttape mod with disabled muzzle flash. Nowadays better mods exist. Original didn't actually had much issue regarding light if you knew what you were doing. It was dark for no reason which was annoying more than anything. I'd still understand not using it for first playthrough.

Is there anything I'm missing or BFG edition is just inferior other than sounds? It seems just worse for PC.

>>10748871
>No double barrel shotgun in main game
The original game didn't have that. It was only in ROE.

>>10748892
I just wish they've added it. Original shotgun is nearly a melee weapon in Doom 3.

>>10748657
>>>10748634 (You)
>I think it's this line special: https://zdoom.org/wiki/Plat_UpWaitDownStay

>What's possible depends on your map format though.
I'm making a doom .wad, thanks.

>>10748954
>I'm making a doom .wad, thanks.
I mean obviously, but there are different specs for those depending on which level of port/engine compatibility you want, weighed against extra features they grant you.

What can I play together with Final Doomer to pump up the difficulty slightly?
Should I play Ultra-Violence?
I play with Corruption Cards as well, but I find FD's arsenals to be way too strong for vanilla+cards. I like Hurt Me Plenty, it's pretty chill. I just want the variety of weapons as well to change things up every once in a while.

>>10748061
>leave fandom
God I wish. That shit is the worst thing to happen to gaming wikis.

>>10748871
i think it existed to celebrate doom's 20th anniversary
but so much of bfg edition is a downgrade, they even cut stuff like roe's minigames

>>10748953
>Original shotgun is nearly a melee weapon in Doom 3.
The D3 super shotty is even more of a “melee weapon” in that regard but they specialize in that. All the other weapons are about excelling at longer ranges.

>>10749014
Try fastmonsters?

>>10749014
Put this
https://pastebin.com/MDyUk4Ev
In a txt file called mapinfo.txt and load it. Will make monsters both hurt you a bit more and take a bit less damage.

>>10749102
How would I make this into a .wad?
And would it work with every map?

>>10749107
zip the file up and rename the zip file to MyCustomDifficultySetting.pk3 or whatever. Pk3 files are just zips.

It'll work with anything that doesn't force some other difficulty setting, as long as you actually choose this setting when starting a new game.

>>10749115
Thanks, I'll give it a try.
Wouldn't this replace the mapinfo from some wads that need it? Or is it just going to add that "skill lol" section to it?

>>10749119
It'll just add the skill setting, but if you load some other map or mod *after* this that uses the 'clearskills' keyword, it wouldn't show up.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO/Skill_definition
here you can check out some other properties you can put in the file. Perhaps setting Aggressiveness to something above the standard 0, or maybe adding TotalInfighting for the fun factor.

>>10748997
I really just want it to be baddass...is there one that goes harder than the others or something?

>>10749156
anon I..
There's no badassness property.
Use "GZDoom: Doom 2 (UDMF)" format if you want all the bells and whistles like portals, slopes, room-over-room features etc.

Use Doom: Doom 2 (Doom Format) if you've a time machine and want to share your map with people living in 1995.

Use Boom: Doom 2 (Doom Format) if you want a bit more features than the very basics, but which most modern engines/ports can play.

Episode Enyo is really pretty.
But playing it after Wrath has made me realize how pants on head retarded and useless Quake's enemies are (beyond Shamblers and Vores) and how much their behaviors could've been improved to increase lethality.
Earlier I was gonna meme and say Wrath is "Quake if it were good" or "the real Quake 2" as bait to piss people off but it isn't as funny if it's true.

Is there a way to play Dimension of the Machine on Quakespasm? I got it technically working earlier, but anytime text would display on screen (for sequences or needing certain keys, getting ammo, etc) it would be broken and display weird filenames instead of the intended messages. Its technically playable afaik, but id really rather play it on quakespasm rather than the steam 2021 version

>>10749239
Why are you still using Quakespasm in 2024, anon? More modern ports support DotM just fine.

>>10749239
Yeah, you're missing localization file. You need "QuakeEX.kpf" file from Steam/GOG version, and it should be in the base directory, i.e. on the same level as "mg1" folder, not inside "mg1" folder.

>>10749234
Too much open space and Quake fights can get boring. Enyo starts off four levels in a row showing how big, spacey, and roomy levels allow you to minimize encounters (they're fucking gorgeous though). The fifth level is good at showing you the opposite: It starts to get more restrictive, making those bamblers (melee only shamblers, the hammer dudes) kind of useful.
>>10749239
vkQuake was good to me here. I'll also always give props to FTE for being the only other port that ran it at launch. I think the text was still busted back then but that wasn't a concern for me.

How do you guys feel about dark areas in retro FPS? Are they outdated and unfun? I was considering making interiors in my DOOM clone fairly dark and low on visibility, but it seems like a lot of people (especially younger folks) really dislike these sections. Maybe it's just because I've taken my attempts too far and made it TOO dark? https://files.catbox.moe/d7gfd7.webm

>>10749270
they're fine

>>10749259
>Why are you still using Quakespasm in 2024, anon?
It works just fine, its vanilla, and its the only sourceport ive really messed with, other than darkplaces a few years ago. Im not super concerned about improving the framerate or graphics or anything, im on an older machine.

>>10749260
Thank you anon, this worked

>>10749267
I've never heard of vkQuake but it sounds neat, i'll look at it a little more later

>>10749270
Add brightmaps. Problem solved, and your mod is x10 more soulful now as a bonus.

>>10749273
>on an older machine
Even more reasons to switch to a modern port, both vkQuake and Ironwail are super fast.

>>10749270
It's okay as a lightly used gimmick. Brightmaps or just lighting used as a landmark really adds to dark area and make them more than just a sluggish maze.
And please don't use a mandatory timed "light-up" powerup to go through darkness. Just like damaging floors you have to go through with limited radsuits, it's not something appealing to most people.

>>10749223
>There's no badassness property.
Aren't these things open-source? Why hasn't someone added one?

>Use Doom: Doom 2 (Doom Format) if you've a time machine and want to share your map with people living in 1995.
Time machine sounds bad ass...

>TFW there's Marine Doom but not a Mechwarrior.WAD nor naval officer Doom.

>>10749361
>but not a Mechwarrior.WAD
Son, why are you so bad at this? I am disappoint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJbffdWtRRA

>>10748640
Still looks ugly.

black and white checkerboard missing textures? miss me with that shit
cardboard boxy orange and gray surf_akai missing textures? an absolute classic

I find it interesting that Quake 1 still has dark areas but they opted not to include anything like night vision goggles or a wooden torch, and of course Quake 2 and 3 barely have any darkness at all. But I guess that also explains part of why they went overboard with darkness in Doom 3.

Ive been using ZDL for literally a decade now. Is there any reason to switch to more modern stuff like doomrunner?

>>10749632
Not really, no.

>>10749632
It does the same thing.

>try to open the addon section of steam doom
>"you need a bethesda account to use this"
what the fuck?

>>10749798
Welcome to the enshittification of things.

>>10749632
It's easier to use presets and saves your stats, but otherwise no.

>>10749632
>>10749698
>>10749810
At the point where you've got a decent setup with ZDL with a bunch of .zdl files and stuff like maps and shit organized in folders for dragging and dropping, there's no significant benefit to starting over with something else.

Many of the recent ones are just additional visual crap or a slightly different approach to achieving the same shit.

>>10749798
>steam
why tho

>>10749798
you will own nothing

>>10749976
Bros, how do I get that early 00s high-contrast normal map look IRL? My mans got mad evil rizz.

>>10747831
That's hilarious.

>>10749273
>im on an older machine.
Both Ironwail and vkQuake have better performance on older machines than QS.

>>10749234
The enemy designs in Wrath aren't interesting enough, and the way wretches and heretics and the scrag palette swap engage the player in the same way 99% of the time means Wrath can never be truly better than Quake. There's potential if they do an expansion pack for sure, or if modders make a Quoth//Drake/AD for Wrath.

>>10748809
>>10748778
Based Reliquary enjoyers.

Requiem is great.
I love Requiem.

That is the post.

>>10750048
>the scrag palette swap
The scrag at least does a cool side-strafe and will rapid fire your last known position if you run to cover. The Wrath monster is just there to pad monster counts.

I'd like to know why exactly a third of the Wrath episode 1 monsters explode on death dealing anywhere from a plinky 10 damage to a ridiculous 60+ damage.

>>10750048
Quake
>9 enemies that do absolute jack shit + Vores, Shamblers, Spawns, & Fiends + 2 non-bosses

Wrath
>3 enemies that do absolute jack shit + at least 12 enemies that will murder you full force + 3 bosses

No sir, I do believe it's Quake without the interesting monsters. See, it's interesting when an entire roster is capable of killing you. Wrath just needs to sub out that shitty flying shield enemy for a flying Shambler and it's perfect.

>>10750136
>at least 12 enemies that will murder you full force
Excuse me shub niggur? Who besides the cacodemon is even remotely a threat?

>>10750140
The ones that fire twice as fast and have twice as fast projectiles and deal twice as much damage and have better aim than their analogues in Quake?
Almost all of them?
Dummy?

>>10750160
The only one who actually manages to hit you is the hitscanner and that is used incredibly sparingly. Instead you get
>Fast zombie, which is also used sparingly
>Fish projectile zombie who fires in bursts of three before cooling down for an eternity, and goes down incredibly easy
>Acid zombie which needs to fire in an arc so it almost always misses, and its on death explosion which is actually dangerous if you attempt to blade it or run face first into it. They can barely move too which makes their positioning the key to their success which they are never actually spawned in dangerous areas, if they're far away the projectiles will literally never hit you because of how slow they are, if they're close by they're already dead to shotgun spread.
>Acid zombie(Fat) which is exactly the same but with a higher health count
>Not-Scrag which is pointless because in also firing a three projectile burst before cooling down they also have ridiculously pathetic health
>swole cultist melee guy who I've never been hit by because his charge is dumb
Maybe they get better in outlander but I cannot see myself replaying the game to check.

>>10750136
>I do believe it's Quake without the interesting monsters
I said Wrath lacks designs as interesting, but now I'll add as striking as Quake's. The wretch loses too much of its eyes from the gun and the glow of the gun that its head may as well just be a gun, which loses out on the morbidity and gory realization that somebody shoved a cannon into its mouth. The heretic isn't doing anything different with multiple heads that it can't do with 1. The scrag palette swap is a scrag palette swap.

Now gameplaywise, which I'll reiterate but clearer: The wretches, scrag, and heretics all attack in volleys of projectiles. These projectiles all behave nearly exactly the same, and look nearly exactly the same except different colors. The grunts in Quake and the enforcers are differentiated by hitscan and not respectively. The scrags in Quake fire this yellow projectile that trails, and no other enemy fires this yellow projectile in this way, unlike again the wretch, heretic, and scrag in Wrath which all share a projectile.

Some more notes about design: the ogre has a chainsaw in one arm and a grenade launcher in the other, not to mention the ogre is this wide humanoid thing, all of this contributing to being immediately more interesting and recognizable than anything in Wrath except for maybe the fat acid guy. The widows are a great concept, but without a jump equivalent like the fiend, it's just a faster zombie; why is her chest split open if we don't see her use that at all?

Your primary contention for why Wrath is better is that the roster is deadlier, and I'm not sure that's true. Maybe I'm just really fucking good at video games, but the only enemy that can consistently kill me is the Executioner. Are you sure you aren't bad at video games?

Finally, video games are the sums of their parts, and Wrath falls short in design in innumerable ways such that it can never, ever be better than Quake.

>>10750190
Btw I actually like Wrath. I'm the one who uploaded the mega.nz link a few threads ago, and I'm also one of the few people who bought it in 2019. I think you're just a little high from playing it, and who am I to take away from your joy. Where you cross the line is saying it's better than Quake, no can do Halberstram.

>>10750175
I love the atmosphere enough that I'm definitely going to replay on Outlander eventually. Never enough time to do everything you want.

>>10750197
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the game and am planning to finish it but I feel nearing the end of episode 1 that the honey moon phase has passed.

>>10747956
>[02-27] WRATH: Aeon of Ruin has finally been released.
Is it any good?

>>10750205
Yeah. Give it a shot.
https://mega.nz/file/4MwAzKgD#oyqWm62K25Xp1baqwmkJVDDY4yCvLVU7GDGdlTfacZ4
>>10750202
I really enjoyed the episode 1 endboss and the episode 2 hub is giving me Serious Sam vibes so I think I'm in for more honeymooning yet.
>>10750212
I'm willing to host some Serious Sam dm later if anyone wants in.

>>10750190
>the only enemy that can consistently kill me is the Executioner.
How? He's melee-only, just let him run into stuff then hit him with a charged blade attack. It's even easier if you have the Mace, any decent soul count and you can just whack him.

>>10750217
Ain't gotten the mace, but I saw its name in the options menu. Looking forward to it.
>How?
He always spawned in tight spaces, the fucker. And I don't use artifacts so he has that on me too.

>>10750214
awesome, is it better to play on normal, or hard?

>>10750261
Hard for sure. Normal is too easy.
>captcha: w8jw8

can you play wrath in a sourceport?

>>10750301
Only if said sourceport is the version of Darkplaces it's built for.

>>10750261
The other anon's answered the difficulty question, so here's my personal opinion on level order:
In the first hub, hit Undercroft then Priory. Priory's the only level with the Slag Cannon, but I'm not sure if it has all the other weapons and I know Undercroft does.
In the second hub, start with Crystal Dunes, since that will give you the Lance (at the very start of the map) and the Crystallizer (in a decently-hidden secret). The Crystallizer is also available outside of a secret in the Burrows, but I don't know about the Lance.
In the third hub, the Mace is available in every level so it doesn't matter from that perspective. I'd recommend hitting Crucible of Souls and then Rending Chambers, purely because Crucible has a huge number of lava pits and Rending Chambers has a bunch of spike pits, and the earlier you do them the fewer enemies are around to push you into them.

>>10748871
>Increased ammo
the most bizarre change, I'm rushing through the original in my current playthrough without looting cabinets and I'm loaded with ammo

Wait a minute, I remember reading earlier while half asleep that Wrath's coach gun got nerfed from early access? How do I revert this change? I thought it felt weaker, goddamn what a silly change. I really enjoy the sounds it makes.

Any cool weapon skins besides Ad Mortem?

Is there a mod or total conversion that plays like a 3rd person soulslike with melee combat

>>10750547

>>10750547
You're a triple faggot, but there's Doom Shinobi. Last time I heard about it wasn't very good because everything was tanky as shit.

>>10750547
Doom Fighters : https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=73542

>>10750312
Crucible was a painful level without saves. 2 shrines right at the start, then nothing until the yellow door.

>>10750437
It seems you can edit every value in pak000. Weapon damage, projectile speeds, enemy values, the works. I’ve thought about giving a huge speedboost to the shotgun’s altfire so it’s basically hitscan.

>>10748602
Same, but "unfinished source jump map" is not even a style

>>10750176
>texture filtering

>>10747942
>extra lives in Q2
???

I'd like a mod that shows music track titles and artists, like the Floppy Disk Full of Midi Mod, but without actually changing the music.

I'd also like one that shows Map Titles and Author Names the same way.

Anyone spoonfeed me?

>>10750856
Even if such a mod exists, it can't show you actual track names because they are not in the wad, all it can show you is midi file name.

>>10749805
I now feel that to a point, the Dune Butlerian Jihad was for good.

>>10750854
>lives in Q2
Looks like he’s playing coop through the remaster

>>10750841
>vulgar display of textures

>>10750131
I would say to discourage melee, but the guys that shoot continuous electric balls actually do a different less dangerous death animation when you melee them.

>>10750175
fast zombie which is everywhere it needs to be to take half your health instantly if you don't react*
not-scrag that does 20 damage per hit instead of 9 and engages in suppressing fire so it remotely serves a point*

>The newest build of Yamagi Q2 not only stopped letting me alt-tab, but it still refuses to let me make screenshots
Yes I am cheating a bit, but the Nightmare skill is gonna make up for it hopefully

>>10750959
ever since Q2R came out i became tired of yamagi's shenanigans

>>10750970
NTA, is Q2R actually good? Because Q1 remaster is a joke with how fucked up the movement is.

>>10750978
good isnt close of how fucking great Q2R is.

>>10750985
I already heard good things about it, and I loved Q2 more than 1 as a kid. But I tried Q1 remaster recently which was supposed to be good as well, but as I said the movement is fucked. That's why I'm asking is Q2R really good, or good by corporate remaster standards.

>>10750996
Q1R movement is netquake, it was always shit
I wish someone still had the link or video showing in detail the differences of netquake and quakeworld movement in detail from years ago.

>>10750970
>>10750985
I am staying a stubborn luddite until Win10 becomes available for free and the '"telemetry service"' gets premamently disabled.

>good isnt close of how fucking great Q2R is.

Such a damn shame how most of that is due to Quake2 itself being originally shat-out the door in a half-baked state just so Timmy Wallets could excise all of Bryan Hook's work on then-advanced enemy AI, rendering 90% of Q2 bestiary into bullet spongey push-overs whenever you get enough space to circlestrafe.

Is Q2R's left/right direction change still fucked like on release? Holding A and D simultaneously is supposed to halt your movement, but Q2R only applied that logic sometimes.
Baffling such a babby's first FPS error made it in to a game known for DM. Even more baffling if it still hasn't been fixed.

>>10750176
the worst textures to fit the worst pantera album

Somehow using the Anniversary Unit mod to slog-thru TR feels a tad less interesting than doing it with GZ, maybe things will speed up once the beta mooks show up...

Just noticed that in Wrath, you dont slide down on slopes like Quake. Good touch to make it feel less like a quake mod.

>>10751106
>Somehow using the Anniversary Unit mod to slog-thru TR feels a tad less interesting than doing it with GZ
Weird. I don’t think the mod has the beta droids, just the normal ones.
>>10751116
Is that really so bad? The Quake mod feeling like Quake?

does darkplaces support source-style surfing physics
because wrath already has a ton of freedom of movement when it comes to turning on a dime and would be pretty epic with surf slaughter maps

>>10750190
>Maybe I'm just really fucking good at video games, but the only enemy that can consistently kill me is the Executioner
Funny enough, I believe the Executioner is the only enemy in this game that is truly underpowered. Sure, they can do like, over half your health in one hit maybe? But that's only with their rushing attack where they put their blades side to side in front of them. You can pretty easily stun him or blade dash away.
I do believe Wrath is a bit too easy, but I don't think that's at fault of solely the enemies. Some of them don't deal enough damage (such as those invisible spiders which are getting buffed next patch), and Keepers are vastly underutilized, so much so that I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention them here. But the real issue is that the Outlander himself is overpowered. Weapons like the Lance and Crystallizer are just way too strong, and the devs absolutely flood the player with soul tethers and artifacts. I was told that Outlander difficulty disabled tethers and only allowed saving in shrines, but that seemed to have been a lie. I'm pretty sure that Outlander isn't working properly at all, I can't see a difference from Hard to Outlander.

>>10751157
Colon3\QuakeUlf was a bit paranoid in regards to providing unauthorized copies of the commercial addon's data .pak files from 25 years ago, you'll need to procure them for yourself in order to the 25unit maps work properly, also a really fun semi-hidden feature I got enamoured with is how this swell lad not only ported-over the LMCTF Plasma Rifle, but also buffed its ammo consumption to actually be useful compared to the TR's IonRipper

>>10751028
what style of movement does vkquake use and how do i get the good movement in it

>>10751207
Outlander as-is is just right for what the game's going for, IF you don't use more than 1 Artifact per level. It should be available from the start because it's obviously the intended difficulty.

As for internal enemy balancing, I'd say
>Restore CacoTrio™ melee charge aggression from EA. They're too passive and dumb now.
>Buff Acid Frog™ projectiles from 35 to 45 damage.
>Make charging into an Acid Zombie™ with the knife actually damage you. It tickles now. 50% of their normal voluntary kamikaze damage + a bigger radius would suffice.
>Buff Spy-der™ bite damage from 2 to 15-20.
>Make those Giant Floating Octopus Abominations™ fire one Vore-esque projectile per scattershot that follows you around.
>Give Flying Shield Brain Idiot™ a hitscan railgun attack that briefly halts his shield usage.

Executioners, Widows, Invaders, Blue Guys™, Scrags, Fire Elemental Mancubuses™, Mortar Guys™, they all fill their roles fine.

Removing tethers altogether isn't the solution for increasing difficulty, but I'm all for a masochist mode that sits a tier higher than Outlander being added. See >>10748223

>>10751294
>if you don't use artifact
But artifacts are fun though. Especially the orb of deflection and confounding attar. But the truth is that the game doesn't give you much reason to use them.
>Cacotrio melee aggression
I'm pretty sure they're more aggressive now than in EA desu. More often than not they charge at me rather than just standing there and firing.
>Homing projectiles
This game really needs one of these. I was hoping the cthulhu guy would too.
>Keeper
They need to up his resistance to the Crystallizer. From my limited experience with him, the Crystallizer is the one weapon that can instakill him very easily with its altfire for not much ammo cost.
All in all I agree with you.
>artifact cap at 3 instead of 9
That'd just incentive the player to use artifacts more, which would be annoying because I already find myself wasting artifacts at the current limit. They give you just so many life siphons and cruel aegis. They just need to remove some artifact placements from Hard and Outlander.

>>10751250
If it still feels “too good” I think the commands to customize the weapons all start with “sk_”. It’s been a month or so since I’ve used the mod, and even then it’s a version I ducttaped together for KMQ2 so the beta brains might work fine for other versions.

>>10751307
Maybe on the proposed 5th difficulty, it would also limit your Artifact usage to 1 per type per level.

>>10751252
It's still netquake. The issue with Kex is weird interpolation and framerate capping + microstutters from the added post processing layer.

>>10751347
Are you telling vkQuake and Q1R have the same movement? Because it definitely doesn't feels like it.

>>10751357
I'm telling you it has the same netcode, anon. Kex Quake just has multiple extra layers of shit that causes latency and thus inhibits the 'feel' of it.

>>10751347
how do i give vkquake quakeworld movement
i want good bhops

>>10751379
You don't. It's not a Quakeworld engine.

>>10751382
why
how do i make it a quakeworld engine
is there a fork of it with good movement

>>10751395
What do you think is wrong with vkQuake movement?

>>10751395
>how do i make it a quakeworld engine
Learn to code I guess?

>>10751057

>>10751404
i was told just now that it sucks and that it'd feel better the other way
and that made me gloss over my muscle memory of quake with retrospect and think "it seems weightier than i remember"
and now i want to know if i'm actually missing something or if that's placebo
now where is my good quake movement i was promised

>>10751417
No, you're not missing anything. Movement in vkQuake is fine.

>>10750856
Cool idea, but very few .wads have that kind of listed metadata in them (if any at all), so the mod would have to provide it itself, which is quick and easy enough to do for the iwads, but means shitloads of manual data entry for any given popular .wad, and that's for the ones where the music is properly credited.

You're gonna run into so many .wads where there's a music track and the only credit available is either "I took it from this .wad" or worse "I got it from this NeoCities page which hasn't existed for 17 years and which there are no records of." which means a lot of manual detective work to suss that out.

However, a lot of MIDIs have some embedded metadata in them, which can a title, year, name of an author, and maybe all of those at once, so possibly that could be drawn from sometimes. You couldn't count on that being present at all times, but looking at that metadata can help with the detective work.

If i wanna try my hand at making a doom map, should i use slade 3 or ultimate doom builder?

>>10751452
UDB is much slicker and easier to use.

>>10751318
BetaBrains were originally a replacement for regular Brains IIRC, the mods that introduce them alongside normal ones need to first make a copycat entity so that the modded entity doesn't overwrite the original one's behaviour - and only now I have just realized that Earth2 is probably unwinnable in Q2remaster if you're intending to clear that one later secret with the "ghost house" going pitch-black and silently spawning a dozen Brains behind you...
>you now remember how Gunners become the most important target to eliminate on Hard+ and that making them aggro other monsters is sometimes more vital to your survival than killing them directly

why did quakeworld change the movement? was it netcode?

>>10751465
remaster made most old maps a experience of fuck around and find out
with enforcers becoming plutonia chaingunners

It seems that Fixbots won't even pretend to be neutral mobs on Nightmare without being provoked first, also wierd how they can still get into a painstate - but only if another enemy attacks them by accident and not the player

im reading horrible messages on this board about wrath the new fps that just came out
i think this game is absolute trash and is not /vr/ and shouldn't belong in this general thread which is about TRUE FUN GAMES (see: Doom, Quake, Redneck Rampage, Marathon)
if you enjoyed in any way shape or form the above mentioned game im sorry to say but you are a joke.

>>10751482
Like Ion Fury, it's allowed by virtue of being made on a retro engine, and like Ion Fury, discussion of it will pass.
Then we'll all go back to endlessly jerking off Doom, Quake, Duke3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior, and occasionally Marathon and Serious Sam.

>>10751482
i've noticed there are a lot of posts in this general that read like a word salad assembled from /the airs/ of the topics at hand, without any actual logic or human experience behind them, or effort put into assembling them into a coherent thought
complete nonsequitur gibberish that has nothing to do with anything, but if you merely skim over it, it seems like it does, and garners a response
your posts is one of those posts
it has as much merit to it as someone typing "DOOM GUN QUAKE SHOOT LEVEL DESIGN BOOMER JOHN CARMACK BASED SUPER SHOTGUN OVERPOWERED"
like a living personification of the word bubble posted at the start, expressing a conclusion no sapient human being would ever come to on their own
stop that

GZDoom

>>10751541
>replying to AI shitposts

>>10747934
Why don't you donate some new Blood maps instead?

Any good map packs that are short, sweet, don't contain thousands of monsters, and have vanilla gameplay (i.e.: not running around for hours, no story, etc.)
Already played all DBPs and they were excellent.
Already played all the relevant Doom 1 wads, but might have missed some obscure ones (Doom 1 wads seem to be superior in this regard)

>>10751648
would you play my shitty blood maps anon?

>>10751727
Unrattled

>>10751729
Yes.

>>10747910
Which of the following on Steam is the most bearable and least backwards ass fucked: Quake 1 remastered, Quake 2 Remaster, Quake 3 Arena, Quake 4, or Doom 3?

...and that's when the revenants came at me

>>10751770
Quake 2 Remaster - it's actually unironically the best way to play Quake 2 singleplayer.

>>10751471
I can easily see that being quite a problem on occasion, but that's how things turn out when the base product was deeply flawed on release.
Makes me wonder how much of a torture any attempts to beat the Roots levelpack in one go would be in KexQ2.

>>10751845
Roots doesn't work on Q2R even if deleting the dll

>>10751802
Bundling the remaster together with exclusive content from both PSX & N64 ports and the official mission packs in adittion to an extra episode with custom content made it actualy worth the money, unlike some of the other cash-grab '"remasters'" out there.

>>10751847
That's honestly a pecculiar thing to hear, since it didn't seem to have any custom coding dependancies from what I have seen when playing it last year

>>10747910
Has anybody ever done Nighthawks with like, I dunno Hooters chicks or topless dancers?

>>10751845
>Yeah I posted shit out of order, also the next level doesn't want to load for some reason and just crashes to desktop after the loading finishes - so I'd have to make a pause until I can try do something about that problem

>>10751872
the main cutscene is fubar, and the game crashes at the bridge

>>10750856
>I'd also like one that shows Map Titles and Author Names the same way.
Zscript mapinfo has an option for author names, but the modder needs to provide them
And according to pic related track and composer names can also be done with Zscript too but I didn't look into it so far

>>10751802
Still need to unnerf the railgun.

>>10751901
That's unfortunate, if it's because of the in-game cutscenes, then other vanilla-derived mapsets using them like Belly of the Beast and Citizen Abel 1&2 probably won't load as well sadly
>I think these fellows were supposed to be BetaBrains, but the map loads regular Brains in their place

>>10751975
>cool as FUCK weapon, like, the coolest shit ever since big fucking gun
>let's make it weak
Only modern age onions nu-devs could do something like that. I can be 200% sure the person responsible for this is the most insufferable gay faggot imaginable.

>>10751486
>Like Ion Fury, it's allowed by virtue of being made on a retro engine, and like Ion Fury, discussion of it will pass.
The board rules care more about homebrew games >>6775606
>Retro gaming means platforms launched in 2001 and earlier, and official game titles for those platforms released no later than December 2007 (homebrew console games made after this date will be permitted).
In that regard Rekkr is a safer example with how well it functions through Dosbox (I think IF even struggles with Eduke last I checked). The real deal is we have either chill or indifferent mods.
>>10751802
>best way to play Quake 2 singleplayer.
That and playing the game through the 25th Anniversary Unit. They make it hard to go back.
>>10751983
>>I think these fellows were supposed to be BetaBrains, but the map loads regular Brains in their place
That was what I ran into when I went through TR using the 25U myself.

>>10751983
Castles of stroggos if deleting the dll works flawlessly

>>10751984
Having observed some of Sponge's interactions in the Quake mapping discord he quite often manages to be gayer than the literal homosexuals he's talking to.
Also he's a zoomer who was in diapers when the game came out.

>>10751984
The smarter AI regularly nerfs the Railgun's stealth bonus, which is part of why it was originally so powerful, so I really don't see the logic in then also nerfing its base damage.

Do you guys prefer games like DOOM where you're often facing off against dozens of enemies, or Duke where you'll rarely see more than a handful at a time?

>>10750051
>bile plant vibes in a fun sewerbase level
>fuckhard and claustrophic fights in the next level
>now using it as a "gameplay mod" for Spiritworld shotgunstarts
It's all too fun.
>>10752241
It really depends. Sometimes it's fun gibbing groups of zombies, sometimes it's really fun to duel a few skaarj at a time.
>just found out the "j" at the end of "skaarj" is supposed to be silent
Really? Damn I'm dumb.

>>10752241
I think DOOM has more room for interesting encounters. Purely mathematically smaller enemy groups mean you run out of novel combinations sooner, but subjectively I feel like a setup where one big enemy is hard to reach because of a swarm of weaker enemies is more satisfying when its 30 imps versus 6 knights.

>>10752241
I like both kinds. Doom (2) is more versatile in that is has a fairly varied bestiary where you could do both kinds of gameplay.

>>10751989
>That was what I ran into when I went through TR using the 25U myself.
AFAIK that's because The Reckoning mod itself has extra code to replace all Monster_Brains with its own improved version of that enemy, just like it also replaces all Infantry\Enforcer enemies with a version that always shoots a salvo first before reloading (take notice that it provides a re-animated model for that one, as forcing any HD version of the vanilla Q2 model into TR will make its attack animation desynchronized).
Any mod that allows you to fight BetaBrains alongside it's vanilla Q2 counterpart like Citadel makes the TR variant be a distinct entity within the game logic.

I really don't mind playing with a texture/sprite upscaler at x2 on Doom. I like the pixel look, but I think changing a little bit from time to time is fine.

>>10752341
I used to like it when emulating SNES games but I've learned to only love the classic look. Conversely, I HATE how linear mipmapped HL1 looks, and I always play that with the default filtering.

>>10751578
LZDoom?

>>10752326
Just confirmed this in the receiving center, running TR through the original exe: They turn into the nightmare brains.

Remember the Quake 2 PSX campaign and Horde mode are pretty much finished but id won't update Quake 2 Remaster because fuck you.

>>10751991
He is a nepo baby put there thanks to fucking Tim Willits.
tokyo and Mortal would had been better to deal with since they show that they are passionate over quake and id.
And both Mortal and tokyo used to post here at /vr/ when cool shit was happening.
Sponge was always a gigantic faggot even when QC was being developed.


>>10752326
>>10752347
all i want to know is that The citadel works on it and if someone has reverse engineered it

>>10752384
That is because "we need money to update the game, please understand" by sponge's bullshit.
As people said, pester microsoft at social media to force id to let Nightdive update the games.
Even Doom 64 needs patches RN to fix the barons damage scaling.

Even hiring Carmack back would be a miracle

Recommend me some wad to play to heal the wounds Eviternity left. Fuck this overhyped garbage.

>>10752474
Just play memento mori and the old classics

>>10752474
Sorry, I only have pk3s to recommend

>>10752474
Go to idgames and click random. Bring back a hidden gem.

>>10752481
>hit random
>get Perquisite Strata X
>Boom compatible PSX exclusive levels
I'm not him but that's cool

>>10752496
Rabbits are never that affectionate but cute image.

>>10752432
>all i want to know is that The citadel works on it and if someone has reverse engineered it
It'd be much easier to add in Citadel entities like the Sentien to the 25U or Rerelease codebase and work from there. The Citadel maps can all be decompiled and then edited.

>>10752505
Someone needs to remake the sentien model into md5 as Zaero Boss, also md5 models of the zaero weapons

>>10752481
What the fuck did I just read?
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/female

>>10752546
>Since when did Doomworld become inhabited by a bunch of slack-jawed faggots who worry about whether a wad is "too offensive"? DOOM IS A GAME THAT REVOLVES AROUND KILLING, IT IS OFFENSIVE BY NATURE!!! Go have your period somewhere else pussies, this wad rules and so does Kama Sutra. I wish someone would go Columbine on all the politically correct liberal queefs who want to stifle free speech and great wads like this one.
I kneel

>>10752546
This is peak 2000s. I checked the files in Slade and there's a ton of textures of nude playboy models. Just as expected. Also a random picture of some guy called "ZZZAUTOR" who I assume is the creator of the wad? He looks different from the guy in the HUD face, who I assume is the creator.

>>10752474
Someone is still using clovr.xyz/wadsup to recommend wads. I've been checking them out here and there and the ones I've tried have been great. So someone here has good taste. Check those.

Still want to get retroarchs prboom port working on web without people having to set up the controls properly themselves, but that might be a lost cause. I cannot find where it generates the first-run config from, and assume ill have to edit the source and build it myself. And I just don't feel like it right now.
Might just leave instructions on the splash image.

Pretty content with how I've got Quake running now; the only quirk is that the music for Scourge of Armagon's demo for Military Complex doesn't play.

>>10748637
Drake was so underrated, I'm glad Keep/Mjolnir sort of kept it alive, but I miss the shotgun changes.

>>10752546
>>10752578
Holy fucking kino

>>10752690
I like the Drake shotgun optimizer, but slow chunky shotguns feel great. It's a big pull to this mod I've been trying out.

>>10752474
30 Years Of Doom by the Russian Doom community. It's pretty fun.

>Quake OC in 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNTS30yFiCQ
Neat.

What do you autoload for mods? For me, it's
>GZSprFix2.0
>Brightmaps Plus
>Perkristian's hifg res sound effects pack
>XBOX style animated M_DOOMs (classic)
>Kinsie's doom test map

>>10752835
Nothing, I don't like having defaults for mods or maps, it just feels like it's limiting the kinds of experiences you can have that way.

>>10752798
I like the guy's animations, but I don't like it when Ranger is depicted in a similar vein to Doomguy, even if it seems he's quadded up. Although I guess that's kinda funny when you consider their face sprites vs how each is usually depicted.

>>10752546
>I'm giving this a 5 specifically because it's "unflatering to women" (why should they be praised all the time?) Kudos for having the balls to try something different.
Heh.

Stumbled across a mod called Deathstrider that I've never heard nor seen before. Looks like a faster paced Hideous Destructor.

>>10752835
Vanilla Essence and cblood

>>10752892
eh might as well just play hd

Quake bros, I'm having a weird issue with my Malice map. Everything seems to be VIS'd correctly, but I'm having some pretty significant audio bleedthrough of ambient noises and monster idle sounds everywhere. Is there anything I can do about this?
In pic related for instance, the scuba guy and fan turbine are both perfectly audible in the room below despite multiple walls separating them. Standing in that room with 'r_showtris 1' on confirms that the other areas are VIS'd out. I was under the impression that this should be sufficient to block sound, but maybe I'm just having a retard moment.

>>10752963
What sourceport?

>>10752967
Ironwail and vkQuake. Haven't tested others.

>>10752970
Try it in QS. If it isn't happening there, it's an engine issue.

>>10752835
Just flashlight++ in case there's really dark areas

Nth for mapping is fucking hard.

>>10752985
Just tested, definitely still happening.
I should probably just go fly around random maps that I know are VIS'd and see how obvious idle sounds are through walls.

>>10752257
The only update to The Spiritworld I would like is making an adittional secret level accessible from Diyu as a reward for going full autist and finding all of its super-secrets or the optional extra keys.

>>10752505
Zaero's Sentien is supposed to be inculded to the Guggenheim map along with the Tactical Gunner (a custom Lazarus monster who's got a Prox launcher & ETF rifle), but in my case when I tried it out, not even ripping the entity model & sounds from Zaero directly made him appear properly.

>>10752512
The Zboss is the dude in an exoskeleton who's internally called "a Big Bad Mofo" and is reliant on extra ground-attack triggers to work properly in order to give the player some breathing space inbetween his barrages.

>>10749259
Not him but QsS runs better on my toaster than IronWail outside from some newer maps that refuse to load and function properly on anything but IW

>>10752241
>Duke where you'll rarely see more than a handful at a time?
that can apply to doom too, no?

>>10753278
Call of the Machine added the Lazarus monster back into Q2 as the Gunner Commander https://quake.fandom.com/wiki/Gunner_Commander

>>10752835
Yeah PK sound mod is pretty essential imo

>>10751482
You will never be a mod.

Confession time...the first time I played Quake was on the DirectQ sourceport.

>>10753487
I didn't finally play Quake until a few years ago, after playing pretty much all of the other classic FPS games.
and I fucking love it. Quake kicks ass.

>>10752892
It’s like HD but with spellcasting and more balanced towards vanilla enemy behavior. It won’t be as hideous but it still gets hairy.

>>10752474
Play The Darkening Ep 2 and be comfy

>>10752841
that's a fair point. I make sure that the mods I autoload are only minor audiovisual mods that won't break anything if they're overridden. If anything does conflict (maybe if something overrides a texture without a correspinding brightmap) I can just make a seperate config.
>>10753487
I still haven't played Quake

>>10753564
You should. Quake is fun. Just make sure to shake off two things Doom has taught us: The Shotgun isn't the best answer to everything.
The Super Shotgun isn't the best LOUD ANSWER to everything.

Just keep those in mind and I think you'll have a good time.

>>10753536
The textures are made by the same guy.

>>10753536
>>10753613
Thanks, looks convincing. Plus Ola's level was my favorite part about Eviternity, even though the 00's levels can't be anything like that, I'm still sure they will be fun.
But I'll start with the first episode.

>>10753564
Stream it when you get around to playing it.

>>10753573
>Just make sure to shake off two things Doom has taught us: The Shotgun isn't the best answer to everything.
>The Super Shotgun isn't the best LOUD ANSWER to everything.
Doom always felt clear about the rockets and plasma being the most devastating ammo options. Shotguns are just fun to use.

>>10753663
Shells are more plentiful than rockets and cells.

>>10753668
So are bullets. This makes sense, having plentiful ammo for the lesser weapons.

>>10753683
You do have a lot of bullets, but it takes 7 bullets to match the damage of 1 shell(10 for a super shotgun shell). The shotguns have really good damage relative to their ammo efficiency and how common their ammo is.

>doom
more like dumb lmao

>>10753801
I don't get it

>>10753701
>The shotguns have really good damage relative to their ammo efficiency and how common their ammo is.
They’ve got a slow fire rate to compensate, the chaingun can hold down a caco more steadily, and the super shotgun still has nearly half the ammo efficiency (and fire rate) of the rocket launcher.

>2024
>people are still arguing SSG is not by far the most commonly used weapon across all existing wads

>>10753879
>thinking it’s the most used weapon
True.
>thinking its the best because it’s the most used
This is fucking retarded.

>>10753430
Cool beans then, all that's left for the Kex team is to port-over the PSX Guardian walker to make their remaster one of the best ones to date.
>now that I have the ION Ripper, I don't have to fell bad with corner-cheesing everyting with the LMCTF Plasma Rifle as a more sensible replacement (as only because how in my opinion, the TR's side-grade for the HyperBlaster is just that much OP, and you even find it *before* obtaining the HB so there's zero real need to ever use it)

I've recompiled dog.qc to give the beast the smaller of the two collision boxes. What problems could possibly arise from this, if any?

>>10753971
Maybe slightly more likely to get stuck on uneven geometry when they do their lunge attack? Otherwise it's probably fine.

>>10753801
>REKKR
more like KEKKR lmao

Oh noes. 2 SuperTanks with power-shields that essentially doubles their HP.
If only I didn't had a QD and the rapid fire power-up on me from previous level (and if the arena closed to block my retreat after I step inside it), maybe then this fight could've been quite troublesome to survive. . .

Someone's gonna take shit until the end of time for 94 peepeepoopoos

>>10754085
/vr/ projects have been cursed since Marisa happened.

>>10754087
lol dog, that might apply to the other /vr/ projects but 94p is just a case of the project lead mentally being a teenager despite being 32.

>>10753903
Are you actually mentally handicapped? Obviously the best weapon is the BFG if you compare it by damage, but overall the SSG is not one, not two, but ten steps above the rest of the weapons

Rocket launcher is the best weapon in Doom, you can all go fuck yourselves.

i like the plasma rifle because it goes bububububwA bububwAbwA

>>10754226
Have you considered the Doom64/PSX plasma rifle?

>>10754239
God tier sound design, love when wads use it, same with the BFG
>PSSSSSssssh kra-POOOOOW

>>10751482
>i think this game is absolute trash
>true fun games
>you are a joke if you enjoyed in any way shape or form

Here have a (You)

>>10754074
Any powerup I pickup is always held until the end fight. It makes me appreciate Heretic resetting the tomes at the end of the level, it might have worked for Q2 at the end of a unit.
>ION ripper deals 50 damage a hit
That can’t be real.
>>10754163
>all this super shotgun fellatio
Damn anon spoiler that shit this is a blue board.

>>10751482
i don't care about this game but this is bait i reckon

>>10753487
My first time playing Quake is the Wii port with nunchuck aim.

played through the entire game since the saves weren't fixed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgwpxbZzJWg&ab_channel=TerporFIN

>>10754294
Wtf that's pretty cool.

>>10754239
>>10754247
I'm intrigued now, is there weapons-only pack of console weapons? Or at least sounds. I assume they have the same functionality as PC weapons?

>>10754294
People used to have creative solutions for homebrew ports. Like how Doom on DS had the statusbar on the bottom screen.

>>10754239
sounds generic
i prefer the og, nice and powerful

>>10754294
Love the Metroid Prime Trilogy style weapon viewmodels

>>10754309
None that I'm aware of but there is an 'enhanced' port for the PS1 version on GZDoom

>>10754359
More games should use the Metroid Prime/Goldeneye moving viewmodels.

>>10754397
As long as they're relatively small and don't have a seperate FOV from the player's camera, yes.

>>10754294
That was my favorite way to play it desu. Was a lot of fun.

>>10754382
Is that a death knight reskinned with a doomguy helmet? Tell me more about this mod. I like Scifi/techbase quake maps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ZGsgvCkjo&t=50s

>>10754549
You will love Alkaline if you haven’t tried it yet.

>>10754557
I haven't. I play about one quake mod a year, since loading them is harder than loading new doom .wads. Yes, I am a lazy retard.

Hm perhaps /v/ will provide stimulating conversation about the latest Doom entry, it is after all a board for videogame enthusiasts, I'm sure they're not complete casuals that cannot handle pressing more than one button every 10 minutes
>clueless

>>10754564
Whatever floats boats, you know? Cool mods will always be there when you’re ready, especially techbasey Alkaline.

>>10754552
Finally finished over the course of several weeks. Tronyn and ericw were the fucking kings of Quake. mapajam6's Illusions Outnumber Changes In Fortune is a fantastically realized castle map situated in the mountains under a bleeding sun. Despite its enemy count, it isn't quite mindless slaughter (nor is it not mindless slaughter mind you). Just a thoroughly engaging excursion through one of the Ranger's thousands of adventures battling the forces of Quake, and never a dull moment. I really should finish that Drake randomizer I was trying to make because I'd love to get in there with some yakmen and the like. Then again I suppose I can just use AD. Gonna try that now.

There are I believe several times I actually got lost with no real direction, but I'm pretty sure those were all my fault, just be wary if you feel like trying the map out.

It's a reminder of what I love about these things and the ever, ever, ever enduring value of community content; I chose to play this custom map over buying or playing a new release from the last five years because it captures parts of my imagination that recent products don't. Modern titles would do well to include editors, but that's a pipe dream. Now to play the Mjolnir version of this map eventually.

>>10754601
>You can chainsaw corpses in Mjolnir
Neat! Think that's taken from Quake 1.5

>>10754294
Neat.

>>10751727
Polish Community Project

>>10752546
This is just a mash of stolen assets with shitty gameplay edits, he stole all the sprites from another female enemies mod which was much more polished. The maps are stolen from that darksomething wad and another one.
Still, I enjoyed playing this and I sexually enjoyed letting the dominatrix skin(sprite from redneck rampage) revenant melee beat me to death

>>10754630
I think it was present in Drake

So, someone wants to do a Icon of Sin monster
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/doom-eternal-icon-of-sinarmor-4dd25780dded4b4b8d8a43077c91d700

>>10754860
By someone, you mean id ?

>>10754894
i say make a sprite set of the icon of sin with and without armor as a twist for map 30
Phase 1 is the monster wall like plutonia 2, phase 2 being the armored titan and phase 3 without the armor and faster.

Wednesday Kart Whatever, come play some SRB2Kart!

How to join (Easy, Windows only):
Download the All-in-one repack: https://mega.nz/file/AzkXSTJK#cxoQ3FD2K-Vg9bKwsvQNkWKxT8LGiCjJEfmPCwXi-eU
Extract it to its own folder (NOT the desktop or program files)
Run "SRB2K-CEP (Connect to vrkart).bat"
Wait for any missing files to download in-game

If you don't have a 64-bit machine/OS for whatever reason: Copy the contents of the 32-bit folder into the main folder

How to join (Normal):
Download version 1.3 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/tag/v1.3
Get the custom client we use (Windows): https://mega.nz/file/ncpRjRYZ#yoVkgXmKNUjdh__jHpmUGgh30J7jlj6RIS8XjbTXKeE
Or compile it (Linux or anything else): https://gitlab.com/c3851/srb-2-k-cep
Get the mods: https://mega.nz/folder/MiUiESSa#CyovwTUnO9TSmqbwMI1xBg
Connect to 51.161.34.159 (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)

Pastebin with the above and other helpful links: https://pastebin.com/gPdytB18

Recent Changes:
Juicebox is back on the mod randomizer
4 New Characters: Pikachu, Jill (Drill Dozer), Bean the Dynamite Duck, Gum (Jet Set Radio)
3 New Hats

>>10754903
Yeah, I misread your post.
I think that could be made if you reduced the Icon to the size of something like the Duke 3D bosses, because any taller and you get something like the Icon of that one Brutal Doom mod that looks too much like a giant cardboard cutout.

>>10754928
the models are there at cgtrader so it gets easier to convert them if someone knows how to 3d into GZD or make a full sprite set since the BD icon of sin is all around terrible.
This reminds me that Pypsy NEVER finished the 2016 cyberdemon sprites that looked great

>>10754927
this is my first time playing, anything i should know before?

>>10754937
Ideally, at least skim through the mechanics and gameplay section of the PRO TIPS linked in the pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq

>>10754953
i get a black screen when i open srb2kart.exe

>>10754953
>>10754957
nvm it worked when i connected to my wifi

>>10754953
>>10754961
did you closed the server??

>>10753959
Anon...

>>10754953
> The EX bar fills if you aren't first, and gives a passive increase to speed and nitro gain.
So THAT'S what the EX bar does.

>>10754927
>>10754953
>>10754967
it keeps spinning in connecting to server... because the information you provided is incorrect

>>10754971
bonus for the md5 mod

>>10754860
>>10754928
i wonder if someone did an icon of sin that still stayed as a wall spawning monsters but also borrowed some eternal attacks like the laser beam, fireballs and meteors
and then make it spawn the "vios" from doom 2 rpg lol

>>10754974
Works fine for me both with my usual setup, and with the "SRB2K-CEP (Connect to vrkart).bat" included in the premade repack.
The server isn't locally hosted either, so I have to connect to it just like everyone else.
Seems like a problem on your end.

>>10754820
Definitely not, the way you're thinking, just double checked. There's a small window of opportunity to gib or cut off an enemy's head as it's dying with the chainsaw in Drake, but after they hit the ground you can no longer interact with the corpse.

How are the original IWADs (no freelook, no jumping, etc.) on controller?

>>10748168
Awesome, anon.

Should I play Daikatana?

>>10755160
Nah go to quaddicted's map list
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/
And hit play a random map on the right side.

>>10754935
corn toes

>>10755095
good. people played them with keyboard look back in the day just fine

>>10754957
>srb2kart.exe
Wait, you were trying to connect with srb2kart.exe? We run a custom client. If you're still interested in joining, use either the batch file or SRB2K-CEP64.exe

>>10755452
GET HIM OUT

>slime trails

If you already have souls when you pick up an extra mace, you get those added to your total amount. I don't think it makes a difference to the damage because it'll one-hit everything at 10 souls.

>>10755538
Does the alt-fire shoot the extra souls ?

>>10755546
Seems like it.

>>10754974
Why do I get the feeling the horsefucker is posting this?

>>10755538
my favorite part about the mace of devastation is when i clicked on a widow 5 times with it and she didn't die because the attacks bing bonged against an adjacent wall and then i died instead

>>10754927
hey wolperfinger i think you should poke around gametype voting to get juice tech enabled with nitro, i'd do it myself but i'm away from a real pc for a while

>>10755471
They're not hard to fix.

>>10754927
ggs

>>10754927
GGs
>>10755826
maybe as its own mode, dash gates with nitro would be nigh-uncontrollable

>>10755851
oh no, i mean juice TECH, as in only teching for recovery because it's not enabled right now.

>>10755859
Ah, that makes a lot more sense, yeah I'll look into it.

>>10754927
GGs

>>10755869
Almost bought a boxed copy of Undying the other day. But decided I didn't need it.
Great game tho.

>>10755958
What was the price?

>>10755961
22 dollary doos.
But I've spent too much on random shit recently.

>>10755964
Fair enough.

>>10755869
I should boot that up and see if it still crashes on that one door under the monastery.

>>10754294
Neat.
>>10753663
Shotguns are the workhorse weapon of most FPS games, notable exceptions being RoTT, RtCW and Doom 3.

>>10755830
That depends on the geometry you're working with.

>>10752587
>the ones I've tried have been great
And which are these? If not a secret

>looks like these ammo wasters are gonna be a regular occurrence from now, still think it would've been better if the BetaGladiators were more common and a bit weaker enemies who aren't confined to the final section of this addon.
>>10754630
It's a feature of AD's ShadowAxe being applied to it for gibbing downed/unawoken Zombies
>>10754549
I think that's the SewerJam2 map that runs on Alkaline mod's latest version
>>10754552
What map?

>>10756041
>It's a feature of AD's ShadowAxe being applied to it for gibbing downed/unawoken Zombies
I suppose considering AD is from 2015 and Q1.5 was a few years later that makes sense. But the chainsaw model is definitely from Q1.5.
>What map?
Same one I did a blurb on here: >>10754601
Illusions Outnumber Changes In Fortune in mapjam6.

>>10756047
Fuck forgot pic.

Do any ZScript people lurk in here?

>>10756047
To be honest Mjolnir/Keep has a dedicated spreadsheet file included just to monitor from which mod had it nicked what feature/entities to implemment, and if they are shared inbetween other mods it even tells you where did they originate from and what version it decided to '"borrow"'

>>10756050
Hola.

>>10756060
Would you be interested in collabing for a project? I can't post much right now since I am away from home, but once I come back in a few days I'll post more about what I have.

>>10756060
I'll pass, anon. Already got a long-term project to occupy whatever free time I have left.

>>10756070
meant for >>10756064
Not sure how I ended up replying to myself, damn.

>>10756058
It's likely incomplete just like the github wiki; CTRL+Fing chainsaw on that spreadsheet yields nothing.

>>10756049
i need to come back to quack before too long

>>10756091
It'll be there when you're ready. Pic related is from mapjam3

>>10756105
yeah i really need to play this

>>10747956
here's a proper release-ready version of MAP04 for Vertex Relocation
https://files.catbox.moe/eg0z2z.wad
deadline may be soon but any more feedback would be appreciated

what do you think of talentless retards who go like "hey this is the demo of my map its 20% complete but i want to share it" or "this megawad is a project of mine i have finished half a map and this is RC1"
Should these people be banned from playing and/or making maps for retro FPS?

>>10753869
>The slow rate of fire argument
Oh yes, I'd forgotten that Doomguy has no legs and doesn't run as fast as a private jet

>>10756162
Do you also hate shareware CDs.

How do you guys feel about having mobs drop score items? I want a bit of control over the player's ammo, but pickups are fun and it feels like a waste to have enemies drop nothing. On the other hand, I doubt anybody actually cares about arcade-style scoring systems, and having so many useless pickups might wind up backfiring and burning people out.

>>10756207
It can work if the score provides some kinda spin for gameplay. Even if it's something minor. DAKKA does shit with scoring that's fun, though that's solely from combat and not pickups.
The Edge of Time has a scoring system and if memory serves right it plays into the game. It's a little sensory overload at times but I think it's a great WAD

Tfw playing the Quake 2 expansions for the first time

>>10756129
The blue armor secret has pegged textures.

Anyone got a mega for the Doom comic that spawned the whole rip and tear catchphrase?

>>10755471
>when that one dirty girl has visited your doom level
slime trails

>>10756207
Unless you add some twist to it, players will be collecting items from every monster they kill, so you might just as well tie scoring directly to kills. How are you going to differentiate it? Maybe by placing monsters in hard-to-reach/dangerous places? Maybe by having the items have expiration time so that you have to rush into partly-cleared rooms to claim them? Maybe by making the score item extend the combo, so the player will alternate between killing monsters and picking items for max returns?

>>10756207
You could turn it into a lives system, but you'd need to get rid of manual saves for that.

>>10756218
Which one was your first?
>without giving these dudes homing rockets a'la KexQ2, they are less dangerous than a pair of Parasites unless you'd let him corner you

>>10756207
Give them a 1% chance to drop a 1-up/megasphere like the "Contra3 in Doom2" TC mod does it

>>10756207
>>10756254
I actually play Doom in an arcade way. I never save. I start with X lives. I can choose if I get an extra life if I finish with 100% kills or 100% secrets+kills (I go with 100% kills only). It's pretty fun, honestly. I hate saving

How are Quake fan maps usually balanced around rocket jumps? Do they mention it somewhere in description like Doom wads do with jump/crouch/freeaim?

I love this weapon so much that I don't even mind killing myself with it

I finally defeated all the slime trails!

>>10755471
>>10756361
Speaking of them, this is from the last woof update.

>>10756207
>I doubt anybody actually cares about arcade-style scoring systems
It's fun in Dakka.

>>10747956
updated MAP08: https://files.catbox.moe/wp83jm.wad
>change the color scheme of the combination lock room to beige
>lots of detailing
>added another secret
also the biggest news: the accompanying paper! check it out: https://files.catbox.moe/j7sprw.pdf

>>10756390
Map 08 of what

>>10756395
There's only one active Doom mapping project, guess.

>>10756395
vertex relocation