/vr/ - Retro Games

I never even heard of this.

I've played them, they're honestly not that different from the PS1 versions running on an emulator with a widescreen hack. Still has texture warping and shit too. That complete 1:1 remake that someone was making of MML1 in Unity looked very impressive though.

https://youtu.be/MhClwvbBcMg?si=Qa5E5DsW2ZSVKKMk

I have never played this game (any version), but I have a hard time believing it's a good game.

>>10759470
I'm going to play Mega Man 64

>>10759470
They are very charming games. They aren't super deep from a gameplay perspective, but upgrading and using different weapons and tools is fun, the characters are great, and the world is comfy.

>>10759470
I had never played them, or any other Mega Man game besides 2, until last year. They're very enjoyable little games that are mostly carried by the tremendous visuals, atmosphere and voice acting. The combat is mostly strafing and shooting in a circle but some of the exploration and dungeon crawling is decent.

For years I had heard that these games were a prime example of a 2D series failing to make the jump to 3D, but I didn't feel like that at all. If anything I think the ambition and scale of Legends 1 is very impressive for the period and the execution of it is mostly above average. As someone who grew up with the PS1 I had no problem with the tank controls but I could see them filtering dummies and zoomers. Not my problem though.

>>10759437
Why are they superior?
They look like they’re just running in an emulator

>>10759508
>>10759462
>>10759439
>fixed all performance issues, including the infamous 10fps slow-mo water dungeon in legends 2 (nino island)
>subtitled cutscenes that were voice only in the PS1 games
>native widescreen with non-stretched UI
>arguably superior controls for DASH2 if you liked how DASH1 played with the dpad
>higher resolution textures
>DASH2 has the episode 1 prologue bundled in (we never got this in any capacity)
There's more minor differences too

>>10759470
>I have never played this game (any version)
then fuck off and go shit up another thread you faggot, no one cares

>>10759528
MML2 already had perfect controls on the PS1. Just turn on your analog controls.

>>10759530
it controls better with the dpad + shoulder buttons for strafing
legends 2 lock-on sucks major ass

>>10759535
Then use the analog controls.

For me, it's the mobile phone game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0ZHTxPFm4

>>10759549
>Then use the analog controls.
that doesn't fix the lock on jumping around everywhere you stupid fucking nigger.

>>10759563
Just use the analog controls if you want more control. It's really not complicated. Do you not know about them or something?

>>10759473
Has its problems but it's not unplayable and I personally think the AA look of N64 complemenets the pseudo-cel shading artstyle of the game, as long as you're playing on a CRT at the correct resolution and all.
Also fixes all the wobbly incorrect perspective of the original, and as a curiosty, it has the sexy catgirl magazine that was censored on the western PS1 release. Not sure if the magazine was censored on the PC port.

>>10759583
Have you played the game you stupid faggot? What part of the lockon is shit and you need strafing on the shoulder buttons do you not understand?
analog controls just set the strafing to left and right on the stick, it sucks

>>10759609
>analog controls just set the strafing to left and right on the stick, it sucks
...and give you full right stick camera controls and shoulder buttons for attacks and interactions.
Like did you *play* the game? Ever? I've owned a copy since 2000. Are you emulating or something?

>>10759437
so there is no english dub\translation available??
i would like to see what other changes were made for myself
but i dont know the story\game well enough to retrack through in moonrunes

>>10759693
>so there is no english dub\translation available??
nope and you can't just copy over the english files sadly

>>10759632
>Like did you *play* the game? Ever? I've owned a copy since 2000. Are you emulating or something?
Show me your S Class N(D)igger License faggot

>>10759609
IF THE LOCK ON IS SHIT THEN USE MANUAL AIM WITH THE RIGHT STICK YOU TRIPLE GORILLA NIGGER

>>10759437
This was because of Sony CEA, actually. They didn't want "straight" ports of PS1 games not reliant on their online service after another company began re-releasing their games.

>>10761062
>>This was because of Sony CEA, actually. They didn't want "straight" ports of PS1 games not reliant on their online service after another company began re-releasing their games.
bullshit snoy themselves were doing it with ape escape and medieval

>>10759528
>DASH2 has the episode 1 prologue bundled in (we never got this in any capacity)
Was this included with jap Misadventures of Tron with the 2nd disc?

>>10761118
Neither of those were straight ports

>>10761118
They had changes in them, Legends 1 and 2 were straight ports which Sony did not like. It's also how Persona got the "ok".

>>10759437
>we
you had 30 years to learn Japanese OP. Stop bitching. You can start learning at any time.

>>10761062
What fags, they re-released PaRappa on psp.

>>10761137
>Was this included with jap Misadventures of Tron with the 2nd disc?
yeah
we got some shitty tutorial demo or something iirc

>>10761145
learning jap won't let me play MML3 now will it faggot

>>10761151
Is that the one with Tron's daydream of her and Mega running together happily before they open fire on unseen civilians that start screaming?

>>10761174
yup
https://youtu.be/2KfKoUUYy2I

>>10761156
EX Troopers is in jap only.

>>10761184
https://fantranslators.info/2022/11/22/e-x-troopers-english-translation-patch/
It's nothing like Legends though

>>10759437
How have you not played the games enough to already know what to do and who says what?

>>10761198
He wants to enjoy the English script and actors retard

>>10761207
Which he already has from playing the english versions of the game so many times.

>>10761207
>>10761214
I would be happy with subs since the PSP versions are fully subtitled unlike the originals.
It just so fucking frustrating to feel like you have an incomplete experience

>>10761145
Waste of time to learn japanese to play games where the stories are just juvenile fiction.

>>10761220
Says he with a false sense of superiority as he returns to his real life which is no better than the juvenile fiction he claims to be above.

>>10759437
>Why does capcom hate legends/DASH so much, even among other megaman series?
Because (allegedly) the only reason they even made the DASH games in the first place is because Sony wouldn't let them publish the X games in the US unless they also made 3D games to go alongside the X series.

>>10761298
Where did he claim that though? lol

>>10762219
I don't buy a lot of the snoy meddling conspiracies.
They had no problem with SOTN etc.
A 3D megaman was a logical thing to do, it just so happened to mog every other megaman game on the PS1

>>10759437
Go ask about Switch trilogy HD port

>>10762608
>trilogy

>>10762806
Are you forgetting Tron Bonne’s game?

>>10763195
It's a 2 hour long hold over
I consider it in the same tier as dash 2 ep1

HOLY FUCKING SOUL
https://imgur.com/hUnCuvi
turn on the sound

>>10759535
>shoulder buttons for strafing
Ew

>>10763228
kino
https://youtu.be/OaDDhJF-pv8

>>10759470
See, I'd understand why you'd feel that way considering the way its fans go about advocating for it. After actually playing Legends I'd consider the games among the top PS1 titles, they're seriously committed to doing things you wouldn't expect a game to actually do, which is really refreshing. They're really rewarding for players who like to really dive into a game and see what's possible in it, as there's a surprising amount of layers there.

>>10763373
Never heard of Armored Core?

>>10759437
Huh?
How come Mega Man fags didn't translate this line FF fags did with Type-Zero?

Do you fags actually care about Legends or not?

>>10761184
Both the 3DS and PS3 versions got translated, unlike Legends PSP.

>>10759437
learn japanese, you're getting an inferior experience playing any megaman game in english anyway

>>10763828
I would unironically contribute to a bounty for a translation of DASH PSP

>>10763828
The text is apparently encrypted

>>10763882
is it?

>stretched UI
Hard pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQav6vdFloA

>>10763828
>CV: DCX
>MM Power Up
No 3DS port?

>>10764007
that's just the PS1 version
The PSP ports have subtitles in all the cutscenes

>>10759528
>subtitled cutscenes that were voice only in the PS1 games
This is the biggest change for me, I always turn on subtitles

>>10763828
Because it took 4 years for type zero to get a western release If you're looking for a dumb translation project, birth by sleep was fully translated despite releasing in the west later the same year.

>>10762608
This

>>10764142
>>10764047
PSP port also lets you choose 4:3 or 16:9
I'm trying to figure out if these are softsubs or not, so far I'm able to open the voice clips in mpv
(I have no fucking idea what I'm doing btw)

Just a reminder that you didn't beat the game if you don't have an S-class license

>>10765389
Are U hax0ring the game? Keep us posted

>>10766939
nah im too dumb for that sadly

>>10763882
decrypt it

DASH 2 PC is now fully english translated
I will be applying the patch and uploading it to archive.org, hopefully by the end of today
https://mmls.proboards.com/thread/6335/dash2-pc-english-translation-patch

>>10770436
Nice

>>10764014
blame Konami, they still think PissStation care about PSX games lmao

>>10770436
Kino has arrived!

>>10770436
Be sure to link back.

>>10770436
No way...

>>10770436
Awesome, any notable differences from the PlayStation version?

>>10770436
gonna deliver?

>>10759470
Most PS1 games were trying to imitate the edginess of the final fantasy games. There were really not that many games that hit all the marks of being high quality and fun with a charming world and characters like MML had, so here we are.

>>10761298
To be fair, that is the fate of a lot of people who learn Japanese only to play old video games or read untranslated shonen manga. They realize there's more to Japanese culture than what a random joke in a PS1 game means, so they either give up or abandon games to actually engage in the broader culture.

>>10761184
Didn't EX Troopers bomb in Japan?

>>10762574
Neither do I, since a major part of their strategy early on was NOT being possessive shitheels like Nintendo. At the same time, some of the hand-wringing about the fighting games was probably true.

soon....

FUCKING FINALLY HOLY SHIT
https://archive.org/details/dash2eng.7z
I'll fix up the page in the morning, I wrote up a readme that has everything you need to know

>>10775036
Thank you nignog12345, for everlasting peace

>>10775054
just doing my part as a DASHchad
Here's a better page for those that think it's dolphin porn

I haven't logged on to my IA account in ages
What a warm fuzzy feeling kek

>>10759528
>>subtitled cutscenes that were voice only in the PS1 games

FUCK

I played that game when I was much younger (non native english), and I struggled to understand the dialogues. It should not be a big issue now, but subtitles would have made the game far more enjoyable.

>>10775375
Lets keep praying for DASHPSP english patches then I guess.

>>10775375
Not subtitling your cut scenes is always a giant middle finger to deaf gamers.

>>10776360
very common practice from the SEGA CD and PCECD days.
PSP completely fixes that (and several other issues), but it's moonspeak only....

DATA NO

>>10761189
It is in the sense that it plays just fucking like it. Anyone who played Legends 2 would instantly notice how much Lost Planet 1 looks and feels like a new Legends/DASH game, then you read a few contemporary interviews where Inafune even said his team would slap in a Volnutt model into LP1 and DR and say "hey man this is how easy it would be to start development on a new DASH." Shit, the Akrid are just fucking bio-Reaverbots

>>10779273
The one thing I always wanted from a third/final game was Data uploading himself into a mothballed Purifier body. Give me a fucking single glimpse of the Trigger that fought the entire Master System to a stalemate

>>10780357
>Trigger that fought the entire Master System to a stalemate
probably just an older looking version of Rock.
Assuming that power level = age appearance

>>10780346
>Lost Planet 1 looks and feels like a new Legends/DASH game
thats just insulting

>>10759470
Thank you for your worthless opinion.

what the fuck was her problem

>>10780623
I'm not making any commentary about the game itself, just how it looks and feels. It is almost literally the same run/jump/combat mechanics, just with the addition of the pilotable mech suits

>>10781204
other than being a third person shooter LP looks and plays nothing like megaman legends

>>10759437
If you have even a mild interest in Japanese media, you should have learned Japanese by now. There's really no excuse, especially if you've been on 4chan for any appreciable amount of time.

>>10781715
I can play every game I want in English and all the untranslated ones are eroge mahjongs. There are no lifechanging hidden gems locked behind the Japanese language anymore

>>10782534
Outside of the fact that there are games that aren't translated that are worth playing, the real benefit of knowing Japanese is being able to consume any media immediately in its true form without passing through the filter of some faggot localizer or some ESL fan translator who doesn't really know either language. That's the life changing part.

>>10782546
If they're fun then they're fun without Japanese, but they're going to remain untranslated because no one is dying to bring the rich narrative Panty-chan the 9000-Year-Old Dragon Loli Gets Molested in Another World to Anglo-Saxons. It is a shame that this modern odyssey is lost on westerners.
>in its true form
That's a spook because an accurate translation isn't necessarily a satisfying product. Ghost Stories is the classic example of a woefully unremarkable anime that beats itself to death with blandness, that only became novel with the English version. The latest Oshi no Ko chapter is also better in the English version, based on what the linguists at /a/ have to say, a board that usually agrees with YOU. Japanese people aren't infallible.

>>10782597
What an awful post. Complete garbage all around. Now I see why you never learned moon, it's because you're too stupid.

>>10782612
Any rebuttals, or is this a concession?

>>10759470
If you have ever enjoyed a shonen anime in your life then you will enjoy MML.

>>10782631
>or is this a concession
Should've figured you were a redditor. No point in arguing with someone who has less than no idea what he's talking about.

>>10783257
????????
You have consistently failed to argue for the last few replies and merely insisted on the truthfulness of your position.

>>10783262
>You have consistently failed to argue
As opposed to you insisting the only untranslated games are hentai isekai whatever and that a funny meme dub existing somehow means that being able to read the original text isn't better? You're profoundly retarded for trying to argue against that. This isn't just a Japanese media thing, it's something that anyone who's even had a passing interaction with foreign books or movies knows as well.
>Well I heard that one time
No one cares. You're arguing about the benefits of reading in a language that you literally don't understand based on a few shitposts on /a/ regarding one shitty series. Nothing you have to say on this topic holds any weight at all, no matter how mad that makes you or how much you insist you're a logical internet debater or whatever other reddit internet argument nonsense you invoke.

>>10783286
It's very difficult to disprove that I like the Ghost Stories dub more than the original. Fact is the opportunity cost of learning Japanese is just playing some damn games
>This isn't just a Japanese media thing, it's something that anyone who's even had a passing interaction with foreign books or movies knows as well.
English isn't even my native language so your ad hominem is just that

>>10783387
>It's very difficult to disprove that I like the Ghost Stories dub more than the original.
I never contested that. I knew you didn't know Japanese, and now I'm realizing that you can't even read English. You have no business arguing about translations between the two.
>English isn't even my native language
It shows.
>ad hominem
Looks like you don't know Latin, either. Redditors who pretend to be internet debaters like to throw around Latin words a lot, but ad hominem isn't interchangeable with the word "insult". It's an unrelated attack on character, and pointing out that you literally lack the knowledge to talk about the merits of reading something in the original language when you clearly don't know anything about the original language and how works in it compare to translated works isn't an unrelated attack on your character. It's just pointing out pertinent facts. Spend less time pretending to be an internet intellectual and spend more time reading.

>>10783397
>but ad hominem isn't interchangeable with the word "insult"
No shit, but you argument was based on a flawed and false assumption that you insisted discredited my argument by default, and this has not come to fruition. So yeah, name one untranslated hidden gem because the only things I want translated at the moment are hentais, and I'm not going to learn Japanese so I can masturbate more effectively

>>10783413
>but you argument was based on a flawed and false assumption
No it wasn't. You're arguing about the merits of reading source material in a language you don't understand.
>So yeah, name one untranslated hidden gem
Popolocroix, a popular and highly rated RPG from Japan. I'm not going to reply again if you lie about me making assumptions or try to move the goalposts again. And again, the best part of learning Japanese is experiencing things you like without them being butchered by translations, and no, liking one comedy dub doesn't change that objective, immutable fact. Now stop being such a fucking retard.

>>10783421
>No it wasn't
You assumed I've not had even a passing interaction with foreign books or move (in the original language I presume), which is not up for debate because it is a direct quote. Clearly I am up to the task of handling English, at least, hence arguing with a mental retard about Chinese cartoons.
>Popolocroix
Looks gay, I can see why it remains untranslated. I'll concede it isn't an eroge mahjong but it's also not gonna change anyone's life the way Halo has. Anyway, my original point was that an inaccurate translation doesn't automatically make something worse, in fact as a westerner I am obviously going to be biased in favour of creative liberties taken by western translators because that's my culture. Duh. This isn't a concept unique to translating Chinese cartoons, as it goes as far back as how Christianity was introduced to Pagans 2000 years ago: give them what they want to hear and give them what they're already doing, but explain it in terms of Jesus. Your average Christian doesn't give a shit about pork being forbidden for much the same reason your "butchered translations" are highly regarded by millions

>>10783449
>it's also not gonna change anyone's life the way Halo has

>10781715
This retard was so dumb his post killed the entire thread. Waiting for his execution. Not worthy of a (You)

>>10783872
t. EOP

>>10763828
Most of this wretched "fandom" only cares about 2, and maybe X1 in a good day. They couldn't even commit to sub the anime, it had to be several different groups thorough 15 years.

>>10781715
How long did it take you to learn Japanese? I have a passive interest in doing so but don’t even really know where to begin, aside from picking up on terms from anime.

>>10783449
Take note zoomers: this guys 2nd paragraph is how proper trolling is done.

>>10781147
Yuna has a bigger ass than her

>>10761189
>https://fantranslators.info/2022/11/22/e-x-troopers-english-translation-patch/
I wish this would be on PC fucking bullshit. Or Vita, I had that too. It had to be one the only consoles I did h ave.

>>10783928
>How long did it take you to learn Japanese?
Hard to say because time (weeks, months, years, etc.) doesn't matter as much as hours you put into it, and being able to read simple manga takes less time than actually being able to hold a real conversation, which is something most "learners" will never be able to do.

>but don’t even really know where to begin, aside from picking up on terms from anime.
Picking up a few terms from anime isn't going to get you anywhere except shitposting on /a/ about why subs are bad because you don't like how the 2 stock phrases you know were translated. If you want to learn, I recommend the Genki textbooks and then download anki. Just remember to use anki to reinforce what you learn in context as opposed to just adding vocab and kanji for the sake of it. After you finish Genki, just practice by playing simple games or reading simple manga and then eventually watching comedy or SoL anime with Japanese subs if possible. One of the best things to do is make Japanese friends to chat with online, but I don't know which sites are popular for that now.

>>10783928
I learned starting... 5 or 6 years ago? Can't really remember at this point.
The first year or so was fun. The second was more of an intermediate hell. AFter that, once I decided to suck it up and just read a shit ton, things got better rapidly. The reality is that you don't win the language learning game by devoting blocks of time to studying it, or counting flash cards. You learn it by seeing the same shit thousands upon thousands of times over until it is second nature. That requires lots of reading. Quantity. The sooner you can start reading lots and lots of text, the better off you will be, and the faster you will improve.
I know it sounds absurd to think that you'll eventually be able to process large walls of Kanji quickly and with little mental strain, and that you'll be able to take in the language raw and directly without it ever passing across an english-speaking part of your brain, but it will happen if you just read more and listen.

>>10784217
>citra
>RPCS3
based retard

>>10783891
You've already argued with one bilingual; I wouldn't assume all your detractors are monolingual.

>>10784729
The only languages that matter are English and Japanese. If you don't know moon, you're an EOP.

>>10759437
im surprised no one has inserted the english psx script yet

>>10785492
They're not the same games at all

>>10785647
they are literally the exact same games

>>10785675
No they're not you stupid fucking retard
scroll up this has been discussed already

>>10785676
point out one instance where thescript is different then, you insufferable faggot retard

I gotta say, this is one of the most hostile MML threads I’ve ever seen.

>>10785708
theres an autist that hates Inafune and shits up every MML thread here and on /v/

>>10785647
This

>>10785675
Spotted the lazy troonslator

>>10759437
>seething over a handheld

handhelds are for children and so y boys

>>10786731
>PSP
>for kids
im telling Quentin

>日本国外版ではアイテム「エロ本」が「マンガ本」に変更されていたが、PSP版では国内版でもそれに倣っている
FUCK

>>10787295
nani?

>>10786706
From a translation standpoint they are the same games though. every bit of dialogue is exactly the same and there is no extra content. cope

>>10787729
god damn you're such a fucking retard

>>10787650
They changed porn mags to manga in the localizations, and in the PSP version of 2 even in Japanese.

>>10787991
Lol lmao that sucks, i bet the latter was due to CERO
Hopefully once someone picks up the effort we'll get a decensor patch

>>10787729
>poor trolling
Arrest yourself.

>>10787991
>They changed porn mags to manga in the localizations, and in the PSP version of 2 even in Japanese.
oh no, better go play the version with the 5fps dungeon because one texture was changed

>>10788976
I'm still going to play the PSP version, but it's a shitty change.