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The lacks good charge characters. The ones it has are not enough.

>>10749380
Stop making this thread over and over, faggot.

Levels of soul that were never reached again.

>>10749387
are you betting adult autism or severe mental illness

>>10749386
>not enough
get good

>>10749386
Sodom is the best charge character ever though

>>10749401
Except he is not a charge character.

>>10749393
First one, then the other

>>10749392
Soul Calibur 1 got there. Not that I disagree with OP

>>10749404
*charges at you*
Nothing personal, bozo

>>10749423
That's not a charge attack.

>>10749484
He's friends with Honda so he's honorary charge

>>10749386
While I agree they could use buffs, Capcom sure disagreed and nerfed all 3 of them in Zero 2 Alpha/Alpha 2 Gold. However, Vega/M.Bison and Nash are my main+secondary characters in base Alpha 2 so there is enough. Nash is probably the best character to start with, as his CC is the easiest and what introduced me to using them more often ; he's my goto character to use if my opponent chooses to use Dan. As for Vega/M.Bison, I had tons of fun with him as my main, but being mid-tier is such a struggle against half the cast, and I constantly have to deal with endless Ken/Ryu/Gouki (top tier whores) players: https://youtu.be/1tvT1zThS90

>>10749687
Careful, marbletable-kun, you will enrage the anti-Alpha 2 poster who goes around insulting anyone who likes vanilla Alpha 2 over Gold

>>10749716
I guess if you are a Ken/Ryu/Gouki player you're having the time of your life in Zero 2 Alpha/Alpha 2 Gold, since Capcom buffed the top tiers and nerfed everyone else. Ken players can enjoy mirror match heaven all day long on the game, but that's not for me even though I can dabble in the Ken usage, it just doesn't feel right for me.

>>10749780
That guy doesn't even play anyway, he's a poser, just mad that he missed the fighting games heyday

Why is SF Alpha 1 considered not canon?

>>10749716
iirc the marble table guy listed Zero 2 Alpha as his favorite fighting game ever in past posts.

>>10751553
No, he said that he doesn't like it because his main got nerfed while every top tier got further buffs in that version.

>>10751558
Do you have a list of the buffs and nerfs?

I've always shared Diego's opinion that A3 is the better thought out game.
Though I started watching vhs rips reposted to SRK of A2 so I've got some nostalgia for it and how it exposed how fucking bad I really was at the game.

>>10749380
Broken game.

>>10751553
>>10751568
Nothing detailed. I could find this brief overview.

https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha_2_Gold


I remember marble guy saying that Bison got his movement speed and jump reduced in that version. And that alpha counters cost 1.5 instead of 1 meter which is kind of a big change.
Maybe he'll answer that for you.

>>10751568
Nothing detailed. I could find this brief overview.

https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha_2_Gold

I remember marble guy saying that Bison got his movement speed and jump reduced in that version. And that alpha counters cost 1.5 instead of 1 meter which is kind of a big change.
Maybe he'll answer that for you.

>>10751568
There is this:
https://slateman.net/faqs/sfz2afaq.txt

But it's very vague about a lot of things. Feels like the guy experimented for a few minutes with each character and then passed judgement. The game was never really given a chance.

>>10751643
And there's this in Japanese, seems a lot more comprehensive.
file:///C:/Users/Jack/Desktop/All_About_Street_Fighter_Zero_2_Alpha_JP.pdf

I've seen some recent Z2A tournaments on Japanese twitter.

>>10751658
>dox
lmao oh well
Here's the real link
https://retrocdn.net/images/9/90/All_About_Street_Fighter_Zero_2_Alpha_JP.pdf

>>10749380
Wrong. Peak SF is CvS2

>>10751664
I ran the section concerning Vega (Bison) through online OCR and then chatgpt 3.0 to translate (because you can specify it's a strategy guide for street fighter)

This is what it spat out

While there are minor weaknesses, the most notable changes are the floaty jump trajectory and the shortened invincibility time of LV1 Knee Press Nightmare.

Ken Jango Performance

The jump distance has significantly increased. In other words, the distance and airtime have been extended. It is not uncommon for jump attacks to overshoot the opponent.

Return Shimozo Counter

The attack detection comes out 60 frames later than when "ZERO" is activated (visually, the attack detection does not come out until the arm is fully extended). However, the attack detection remains unguardable and the performance has not deteriorated much.

In previous games, the attack detection had already come out when this pose was struck.

Ken Psycho Shot

Like other characters' projectile special moves, Vega's Psycho Shot also has reduced attack power. However, while other projectile attacks have had their attack power changed, this move remains unchanged (the projectile's priority remains low).

Down-charge after Head Press into Summer Salt Skull Diver

In previous games, the attack detection now only comes out after the arm is fully extended.

Compare Vega Warp

In "ZERO," when activating the original combo and using Head Press into Summer Salt Skull Diver, if you then perform this move on the ground, it becomes an unguardable crouch (if you crouch, the opponent falls over). However, in "ALPHA," it can be guarded normally.

In previous games, using Vega Warp during the original combo should have provided full invulnerability, but if the opponent was attacking, damage would still be taken.
(cont.)

In "ALPHA," there is complete invulnerability.

After performing the full Summer Salt Skull Diver, immediately after landing,

During the original combo, perform Head Press and step on the opponent, then follow with crouching strong KK. However, the opponent can still crouch guard.

Ken Psycho Crusher

After the attack detection disappears, land and then perform another attack, but in "ALPHA", the ground detection changes at this point. Even if visually it looks like you're floating, if you take a non-knockdown attack, you will stagger on the ground and become susceptible to ground throws.

Ken Knee Press Nightmare

The greater pain comes from the reduced invincibility time of LV 1, rather than the extended invincibility time of LV. It has become more difficult to pass through opponents' projectile attacks with invincibility time. At this point, the vulnerability is already present. It remains effective against opponents' sweeps.

Here's an old SRK discussion thread on the matter:
https://archive.supercombo.gg/t/street-fighter-zero-2-alpha/10754/24

>>10751507
Did it have any difference compared to 2? I think endings are the same. I think SFA2 was just finished version of first game. SFA1 feels unfinished.

>>10752039
This is why you make these threads, isn't it?

Seems like they tweaked the ai in Zero 2 Dash. Finished arcade modes in both Zero 2 Dash and Alpha 2 for the Saturn and the latter is just input reading bullshit.

>>10752293
Get good and don't come back until you're beaten the Survival mode of Alpha 2

>>10749380
So who's going to sneak some blue shadows behind bars for ol' Nick?

>>10754591
Wasn't that for Alpha 1?

>>10754427
That looks like composite video.
Surely you did this on CPS2 expert setting?
Otherwise: you didn't beat the game.

>>10754874
Survival mode is exclusive to Saturn, and it doesn't have difficulty setting. It's a long survival streak with the difficulty progressively getting higher.
>didn't beat the game
Well, did you?

>>10754878
>Survival mode is exclusive to Saturn
That is not true. Hold PPP and press start at title screen of the CPS2 version to enter survival mode.

>>10754878
It does have a difficulty setting.
The difficulty slider in the options menu affects the difficulty of survival mode.
If you set the difficulty higher the CPU will do more damage, take less, and be more aggressive.
>>10755301
This is only available in Zero 2 Alpha.

Additionally the arcade version of Zero 2 and Zero 2 Alpha are MUCH harder than the console ports, especially when set to their highest difficulty setting of "Expert" (which is the default setting of Zero 2 Alpha).

I would say the hardest setting of the console ports are equivalent to only the 2nd lowest setting of the arcade version ("normal").
Beating survival mode in the CPS2 Zero 2 Alpha with the difficulty set to expert is extremely hard to do. You'd probably have to resort to very cheap zoning tactics to get through due to the input reading. Even a level 1 super from the CPU will do 30-40% of your health at that setting.

I just downloaded the saturn version of Street Fighter Zero 2 and tried survival mode on default settings.
I beat it on the first try.
It's babby mode.
Level 8 might give a fair challenge.
But it's babby mode compared to the Zero 2 Alpha survival.

>>10751753
Alpha 1 isn't unfinished, it's just that it was a small side project for last gen hardware that at the last minute was decided to be released on current gen hardware and marketed as a mainline title.

>>10749780
what is the middle edition of zero2 you have there?

>>10749380
3 is better.

>>10756996
No.

>>10755778
That's the soundtrack CD.