/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10742908
Skill issue.

>>10742908
Dungeon Master was the same. That's how ARPGs work.

>>10742926
this. "morrowind combat" is possibly the best mechanic to filter out retards up to this day.

>>10742958
>Morrowind combat
>Prior examples are older games
Probably filtered by old games

>>10742958
morrowind combat is actually dogshit. grid based positioning and RT inventory management added to blobbers while Morrowfart had nothing.

>>10742958
filter in*

>>10742908
Are you using the "All Seeing Eye" or running the Snes/Cd music in the Background? If not, you should.

https://youtu.be/IB2_haBpn6I?si=vPmfxFnLDS58JVBg

https://youtu.be/kAfDwXVsiq8?si=aP3sxtOq00qfgaX0

>>10743104
>that Sega CD track
Anon, I want to crawl dungeons, not dance my way through them.

>>10742908
D&D doesn't work that way, it's turn-based.

>>10743108
You'll need to dance to avoid those poisonous spiders.

>>10742908
Luck issue.

They made one of these for the Megadrive. It's one of the best RPGs on the system

>>10743327
It's shit.
Eye of the Beholder Sega CD port is much better.

>>10743358
A Sega CD is not a Megadrive

>>10743358
I want to enjoy old crawlers, but I can't stand the braindead combat. Does it play better?

>>10742908
CRPGs everyone

>>10742908
>he thinks this is a "dnd system"

>>10743358
WotES is the best dungeon crawler period. even though it's unfinished, it's controls alone make it the only one worth playing to this day. none of that gay ass point and click bullshit. no faggot mouse controls.

>>10742908
it was less ass as a single character dungeon crawler on that other Goldboxy game "Dungeon Hack".
>>10743327
played it, it's a stupid grind esp of you tried to train up Dwarves or Elves, because the multiclassing rules in old DnDs were unfun.
the META to train up your team was to find a hidden and spam a fire spell until it breaks, then you reload the game before it breaks and try again.

>>10743865
unless you grind a lot and gave everyone magic weapons, you still get the same problems of early DnD rules with or without a mouse, dumbass.

>>10743380
play less old game like.... Neverwinter Nights.
or just play a Tales Of JRPG.

>>10744008
>stupid grind esp IF you tried to train up Dwarves or Elves

>>10742908
If you think that's bad, wait till you get a load of tabletop RPGs.

>>10744058
>tabletop RPGs.
i preferred... Fighting Fantasys and Lone Wolf but apparently that's /litl/

>>10742908
It's the westerners version of Ys "bump" combat.

>>10744008
>unless you grind a lot and gave everyone magic weapons, you still get the same problems of early DnD rules with or without a mouse, dumbass.

lol no. give everyone a sling and it becomes a fps

I've only played one of these, and I wasn't a fan of the ... sort of action gameplay it had. Like you needed move around the tiles to dodge attacks. I think I'd prefer these more if they were just turn based for combat.

>>10743865
WotES is great, love that ridiculous ending too. Definitely up there with Shadowrun for best Western RPGs on the system

>>10742908
worst part is that literally every dungeon crawler had to copy that gameplay style or else it was labeled a baby game

>>10744013
Those are not crawlers.
Also,
>someone complains about the combat
>recommend JRPG
Jesus christ.

>>10744752
shining in the darkness is a dungeon crawler AND a jrpg, bet you never saw a game like that before

>>10745226
found the retardo benicio

>>10745228
sorry father we don't speak latin round these parts

>>10743380
Perhaps try out one of the PS2 Wizardry games? These try to innovate in combat somewhat.

>>10742908
because it's trying to ape dice rolling in a TTRPG since CRPGs are designed for people who wanted to play a TTRPG like DnD or shadowrun but don't have any friends to play with or at the very least nobody willing to put up with their bullshit.

>>10742958
nah. >>10742984 is right. something like the earlier fallouts, XCOM or even JRPGs like fire emblem & FF: tactics takes more skill and captures the feel of a TTRPG better than the MMO combat that RPGs like morrowind use.

>>10742908
What's the point of having a chance to hit if you don't occasionally miss? Just quit now before you have some dignify left.

>>10746957
Just make it small damage or something. Zero damage sucks.

>>10742908
Wow, somebody get this unemployed basement loser into game design!

>>10743104
>All Seeing Eye
Disgusting. You're cheating yourself out of the experience of exploring an underworld realm as if you were there.
>Snes/Cd music in the Background
Based and correct play method. Try some other good dungeon synth for additional atmosphere.

>>10742908
hence why it died out for real time action.
it only worked for table top.
video games are supposed to be more instant with their action, or at least if you want them to actually be fun.

>>10747482
im trans btw lol if that matters

>>10747482
ur weird dude lol

>>10743358
dibs on Anya, you can have Jill

>>10742908
Bolting on D&D mechanics to this was kind of marketing. The real-time dungeon crawler is a cool concept and D&D is a game about dungeon crawling but the mix is a little awkward.

The game is ultimately more about exploration and suspense than combat. Mosters that sneak up on you and start attacking with no warning other than maybe some footsteps is part of the design.