/vr/ - Retro Games

As for myself, I've been into DOS gaming lately. Picrel is a little gem that's very addicting.
>inb4 lol only one track which is oval
The game does one thing and does it good.

Virtua Racing is the shit.

>>10731364
OP you forgot Driver. And no I won't write a review for 2 reasons:
>You didn't post reviews.
>Driver is a legend, no need for a review, play it if you haven't.

>>10731624
>Driver
Not a racing game

the entire point of racing games is to be as realistic as possible there's no reason to play old ones

>>10731641
Mario Kart and Wipeout neither but they're in the list.

>>10731646
Mario kart and wipeout are lap based driving games where the person in front wins once they cross the finish line, so they count.
Driver on the other hand is something completely different and doesn't count as a racer.
You are a retard.

>>10731651
MK And Wipeout are melee/fighting games. They're not racing games. But yes, Driver isn't a racing game. It's stupid to make a thread only about racing game. It should be a vroom thread

>>10731378
Based Indy 500 enjoyer. I'm a big Indycar fan and the season starts in a few weeks so I always play some old Indycar game to get myself hyped up for it. Picrel is a pretty solid racer for what it is.

>>10731654
Nope, the combat is a secondary priority for those. (Unlike e.g. Destruction Derby)
The only thing that scores you points it to cross the finish line first (or as high as possible)

>>10731691
Anon, Destruction Derby is also a racing game for the most part. It only has additional combat game modes.
In DD2 case, the game is basically Daytona USA without drifting mechanic. If you exclude DD from /vroom/ then Burnout and Flatout games should be excluded too.
Carmageddon is in the grey area: while it can also be beaten by actual racing, the game actively discourages you from doing and encourages to wreck your opponents instead which is a much easier task.
Actual car combat games like Twisted Metal and open world driving games like GTA and Driver should be excluded 100%

>>10731364
this fucking game that was carried completely by lance boyle. still worth it just for him even if you can beat the game in under 2 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wsIcTTSbfs

>>10731691
Destruction Derby belongs to vroom. Main game is racing.

>>10731608
How does Winning Run compare to it?

>>10731921
Winning Run is more on a slower sim side.

Finally, a good thread on this board.
>>10731646
>>10731654
You're a fucking retard.

>>10731921
Winning Run is boring and have poor controls. There is a reason why Virtua Racing is remembered and not Winning Run.

>>10731953
>You're a fucking retard.
Your argumentation convinced me.

>>10732035
If you can't tell the difference between a game where you have a finish line and opponents that you can't let cross first and a game where you drive around a map doing errands just because both have cars in it, then yes, you are a fucking retard.
Next you'll call Quake a platformer because it has jumping in it.

>>10731654
>MK And Wipeout are melee/fighting games.
You know you can deactivate weapons/powerups in Wipeout and play it like a straight racer, right?

>>10732051
It looks like you have reading issues. Read >>10731654 carefully, seriously.

>>10732057
>You know you can deactivate weapons/powerups in Wipeout and play it like a straight racer, right?
Please, you're becoming ridiculous.

>>10732110
>Please, you're becoming ridiculous.
First, I'm not the anon you think I am. Second, how so? if anything the game becomes more challenging without powerups since they're heavily biased towards the player when playing against the CPU. Playing without powerups/weapons is the hardcore way to play Wipeout.

>>10732110
Destruction Derby has ramming combat mechanics in it. Does that mean it's not a racing game?
Road Rash has melee combat mechanics. Is it no longer a racing game?
NASCAR (the real sport) allows drivers to take each other out in the same manner. Is it no longer racing?
POD, Rollcage, Deathkarz?
I reiterate: You're a fucking retard and this is not your thread.

>>10732135
>Second, how so?
With your logic, as soon as there is a race somewhere it's a racing game. So GTA 5 is a racing game too. Please. Racing must be the main theme of the game. And it's not the case of Mario Kart or Wipeout. It's an hybrid.

>>10732165
>Destruction Derby has ramming combat mechanics in it. Does that mean it's not a racing game?
I don't know, I never played that game.
>Road Rash has melee combat mechanics. Is it no longer a racing game?
No, it's not.
>NASCAR (the real sport) allows drivers to take each other out in the same manner. Is it no longer racing?
I'm really surprised, that's a very barbaric sport in that case. And it's an hybrid between racing and melee. You don't agree, I don't care.

>>10732165
Yes go play the racing game GTA5.

>>10732196
>With your logic, as soon as there is a race somewhere it's a racing game. So GTA 5 is a racing game too. Please. Racing must be the main theme of the game. And it's not the case of Mario Kart or Wipeout. It's an hybrid.
In GTA you race to compete in a set course trying to be the fastest over several other opponents?

I already told you you can play Wipeout like a straight racer. Please, elaborate how Wipeout isn't a "racer" if you disable weapons/powerups, what is the thing that disqualifies it from being a racer in that case?

>>10732218
>In GTA you race to compete in a set course trying to be the fastest over several other opponents?
Yes. Go play it. There are races in GTA5, I spent some times playing it. But it sucks.

>>10732218
>elaborate how Wipeout isn't a "racer" if you disable weapons/powerups, what is the thing that disqualifies it from being a racer in that case?
So is GTA5.

Kiddo, go play "racing" game GTA5, and let racing games to grown ups. You clearly know nothing about racing games.

>>10731721
Maybe Im confused with DD64? Where you had half the pack race in the opposite direction on a track and the last man standing wins.

>>10732227
>Uhhh I'm not gonna explain how
Ok, this is my last (You), shitposter, enjoy it.

>>10732247
Do you play racing games?

>>10731643
its okay to be retarded anon

>>10731643
>the entire point of racing games is to be as realistic as possible
that only applies to simulators, and only those simulators that focus on driving physics
there are many racing games that don't aim for realism in the first place, and instead go for a unique style that are totally still worth playing today

and even then, there might still be some older simulators that do things better, or at all, that newer simulators either simplify, or don't do at all anymore.

>>10732196
>Yes go play the racing game GTA5
About time you got the point. In case you didn't, I reiterate: You are a fucking retard.
>I never played
Of course you didn't. You don't play racing games.
>I don't care
Then make yourself scarce.

I see /vroom/ is just as fucking stupid as it used to be.

>>10732346
>You don't play racing games
>>10732258
And you? Make me laugh.

>>10731364
for some reason new rally games like Dirt (specifically Gravel) and then several random arcade racers like Shox all felt like I was driving on ice with a wooden car. I don't get why so many more modern racers feel like they have dramatically worse physics than a PSX game.

Collin Mcrae 2.0 (haven't tried 1) feels perfect. Touge Max feels perfect. Also Burnout 2/3 feels fine but simplistic. I guess it's mostly Dirt for modern games, something about them feels like racing on ice and it makes no sense.

>>10731643
older games often have more realistic physics. often in the pursuit of better graphics they lose physics.

>>10731364
thoughts?

>>10732554
>haven't tried 1
Do play 1, it's even better than 2.

So here's my best time at Spencer's.

What's yours?

watched this a few days ago, hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDYvlm7geU

Gran Turismo NSXs from Outer Space

>>10734742
You wish

>>10734742
So what's the main draw of Rave Racer? I've raced some of the Rave tracks in non-retro Ridge Racer games, and they're cool, but is there anything else to the game itself?

>>10732563
2 Championship Edition is better.

I have several wishes

>>10732196
you are dumb

>Start Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2
>Cars have California license plates

>>10734946
Apparently, Rave Racer was the first Ridge Racer game with force feedback wheel and a 3D waifu. Other than that, it's not very interesting. I am glad that we've got Rage Racer on ps1 instead, it's a much better game.

>>10734950
This game looks and sounds like it was made by the same devs who made Sega Rally Revo

>>10731643
if only you knew how bad things really are

>>10734957
I think the japanese version has japanese plates

what's this faggot's problem >>10736154

>>10735303
idk what you smoked. sega rally revo is a masterpiece compared to this crap

>>10731646
Wipeout is conceptually the similar to F-Zero "Formula Zero" or an anti-gravity racing league with anti-gravity F1 right down to the track designs and globe spanning
manufacturer teams

>>10731364
Outside of TXR and Auto Modellista, how many JDM games let you change the aero kit part by part, instead of a one and down racing mod like GT1/GT2?

>>10732895
This would be my favorite ps1 racing game if the controls weren't broken as fuck.

>>10736586
Yeah, it takes getting used to. Best advice I can give you is this:
- Always try to anticipate your car steering a bit more than you want it to, especially early game.
- If all else fails, you can brute force most of the game by going high power and low weight. A PWR below 0 is basically game-winning in most races.
- Don't forget to do UORs. They give you Yen and sometimes even special parts.
- You can usually read the difficulty of an encounter by how fast they're moving
- Street battle locations aren't random, you can do all of your races in a single street by just lingering around
- Try to use your handbrake (Circle by default) rather than your brakes to make sharp turns
- If you're going to hit a wall, try to make sure you're otherwise facing away from it, you'll hit the wall once and you'll only suffer a little speed loss, optimally.
- Even without a MT Gearbox equipped, you can use L2 and R2 to shift between gears.

>>10736304
Yes, and in F1 people have guns to shoot opponents. The FIA love that idea.

>>10731364
Top Gear Pocket 2 for Gameboy Color

Working my way thru the Midnight Club games

>>10736716
>that power to weight ratio
Cheesing the game is so boring (unless it's drag racing events, fuck them). I'd rather use something more realistic.

>>10736716
>NSX body
>1261 PS
>797 kg

>>10734950
Try Runabout and Runabout 2 on PS1.

>>10731364
Bump

>>10738304
I agree, that's just the build I used to set the time, and technically this is a cheated run anyway. Trying to make a non-Caetla "all parts" GS code, that doesn't include totally invalid parts and also doesn't cause crashes, but I'm still missing a few parts and the existing cheat sheet for levels appears to be incomplete.

A personal goal of mine is to try and load the Windy's GP machine outside of the Yokohama GP event, aesthetics and all. We can get the "GP-DUMMY" body, the FC20 engine and chassis the GP car uses, as well as hidden GP-only parts that I've seen noted as being equipped during the Yokohama GP event, so I'm thinking it might be possible with hacking.

>F1 '95 has a tachometer
>F1 '97 doesn't
Why the fuck did Bizarre Creations do this?

>Burnout Revenge doesn't have Single Event mode, only Campaign and multiplayer
Another reason why it sucks.

>>10738763
The engine is also a 5.0 Ferrari flat 12

>>10741426
>F1 '95
???
you mean 96, the first one isn't it?

>>10743147
Yeah the one from 96, though it's based on the 95 season

>>10731364
>Scud Race
was just a little bit better than Touring Car. which isn't a particularly good thing. I never fully understood why Sega never changed the virtual racing experience. At least that's how it feels to me

>>10738763
Here's my attempt in the total opposite direction.

>>10744062
>BUSozoku

>>10744069
Literally the heaviest aero you can put on any car.

This PWR should read "you're better off just walking".

>>10731364
Played Nascar Rumble. Will play Rumble Racing.

>>10731364
>Initial D not on the list

>>10744098
Update on hacking: I've figured out the slot limit thing. The game sanity checks a car's equipped parts in two way.

If a player has 2 DeTune -10s, only one will ever be equippable, despite owning two of them. But if you hack certain memory addresses to fill slots with DeTune -10s, then the next sanity check is to make sure you had the appropriate quantity of those parts to begin with. If you don't meet this second sanity check, then any parts you logically do not "own" will be removed.

More to come, but for now... 10 HP.

>>10731364
more like welcome to the garage lmao

>>10745123
Still upset over it?

i'm trying to play Daytona USA 2 on Supermodel emulator with a wheel but the sensitivity is too low. any way I can adjust this? i'm new to wheels.

>>10745224
Reduce the rotation range to 270 or 180. What wheel is it?

>>10745232
thrustmaster tmx. thanks for the tip

>>10732554
Dirt rally games have more competent physics

>>10731364
I've been playing Enthusia this week and loving it but for some reason the last 7 races in a row I've gotten "no car unlocked" in the car lottery. Thats a 1/7^7 power chance which is obviously insane odds. Am I missing some mechanic? Why can't I get a car anymore? I've changed cars several times and no change. Did I actually get no cars unlocked which is something like 1/5,000,000 chance?

>>10745494
I'm not familiar with supermodel so there might be a better setting to achieve the same result, but you rarely want the full 900° degrees while playing more arcade stuff. I run 270° for burnout, 450° for flatout for example.

What PS1 game has the best controls? Sim-style if possible, nothing wrong with arcadey ones just have been on a sim racer kick lately

>>10746287
Colin Mcrae

>>10746697
thanks, 1 or 2?

I couldn't get any parts to stack Chassis-side, but the Body supported multiple of the same weight being loaded.

>>10746747
Correction: The weight parts generally don't apply. I'm not sure what sanity check was keeping only one GPS on the car at a time, but...

This hacked build is so light that it actually causes wheelspin at high speeds. It also likely explains why Racing Lagoon doesn't have wheelspin.

The game correctly views wheelspin as meaning a lack of grip, but its botched power\torque model makes it impossible. It also explains why, at least, why the part that suggests it would be a form of launch control was cut: No matter where in the rev range you are at the start of a race, you'll always launch from idle RPM. If you launched from the RPM you were at, the game would probably just instantly accelerate you to the expected speed, like some of the CPU opponents do.

>>10746053
Some cars are just naturally really rare to get even if you stack the odds in your favor. Like the AE86 I have yet to unlock in 3 playthroughs.

>>10746053
man, enthusia really needed an unlock system that wasn't shit and more complex tuning. it has my favorite driving model.

>>10746287
Gran Turismo 1

>>10746880
I wish they had more time to improve the physics of this game. It's so much soul but controls like ass. Still like it more than RRTT4

>>10747147
interesting, so it's more than just a simple 1/6 (5 cars + no car) chance. I went back to getting cars after posting this and got an NSX and Aston Martin so I'm good now.
>>10747174
it really does feel amazing to drive in, I'm genuinely learning things about driving just from playing this game.

like feathering the brake working dramatically better than holding it to slow down fast. can you tell this is my first Racing Sim after Forza Horizon 4?

I also have GT3.A-Spec to try out.

>>10746724
I tried 2 out and enjoyed it but apparently 1 is the best so ihe got that ready to play now

>Side by Side Special
>Side by Side Special 2000
what are the differences between these two? Appears to be some different cars between the two, is that it?

>>10747842
https://tcrf.net/Side_by_Side_Special

>>10731364
>pre-facelift GTO
Fucking based.

>>10747861
the updated version has significantly fewer cars?

>>10746053
is it true that the physics on the NA version of this are messed up? saw a comment on here mention it but can find no one else saying this

>>10748000
no idea, I haven't noticed anything off

>>10747842
side by Side special 2000 is easier, pretty sure it's the easier one. could be the other way around though. One has easier time requirements because the earlier one required you to be way faster than what most could ever do. I can tell you though, having tried both, it's hard as shit. I couldn't beat a single track and ran out of time no matter what I did.

>>10747873
>MIT3UBI3HI

What are the best steering wheels for the Gamecube, Xbox and Playstation 1?

>>10744062
>>10744098
>>10744331
How did you get the bus carbody? I tried flashing high beams to no effect.

>>10748397
Bus drivers in South Yokohama (where you start the game at) won't accept your challenges no matter what, I think. When you go to North Yokohama, you'll be able to challenge them there.

i only play 60 fps vroom games. i've played the sega arcade games and they're great. anything else?

>>10748358
There's no real recommendation there. The first usable wheels only came with the sixth generation.

>>10748659
>The first usable wheels only came with the sixth generation
That's bullshit

>>10748638
gt1 and 2 can run at 60 FPS in emulators. you need to overclock the emulator and enable the 60 FPS cheats. only thing it breaks is the demos, so the license test demonstrations don't work and the rally mode is kinda broken (no one plays GT2 for that anyways)

ridge racer hi-spec is another option, i guess

>>10748638
Battle gear 3/4 kill the sega

>>10748358
With an emulator? Or for the real hardware?

>>10749038
hardware

Just cleared Rad mobile first attempt. Game is pretty fun, kind of like an easier Outrun.
Also played the shit out of Battle Gear 4 tuned, peak simcade.

>>10748669
This is, yeah its working i gues.

>>10750954
Anyway, what are the best ones for Playstation, Xbox and Gamecube?

>>10750991
>PSX
no force feedback, just get a negcon
>XBOX
there's a single ffb wheel for it, it's pricey as shit and it's likely many games don't support it (not even their pc ports do)
>Gamecube
there's a single ffb wheel for it

It finally clicked.

>>10751012
There are no steering wheels for Playstation with vibration?

>there's a single ffb wheel for it
Which ones?

>>10751385
During the 5th gen, FFB wheels were only available in arcades and for PCs. Proper console wheels only started to appear when GT3 was released in 2001.

can I play the original virtua racer in vr yet? seems like it'd be comfy

>>10751385
Logitech Speed Force

>>10747886
No.
>>10748220
Side by Special Special 2000 is the revision with harder lap times.

If I were to have one of these MC2 wheels (Universal or Xbox) and use an adapter to say Dreamcast, would the games recognize it as another wheel?

bump

>Trying to get gold in the license tests in GT2
I'm stuck at A4, damn.

>>10731741
>anyone is free to apply, including men and women of either sex
prophetic

captcha: SPRRR

>>10731378
>>10731668
Try Indycar Racing 2. Genuine racing sim, one of the best on the market when it launched and still in the top 5 of Indycar games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CxNKu_eklU

kino

Do I need to pit for tires? When?

I know there is a usb to Xbox adapter so I was wondering if the Logitech G25 would work on the Xbox with this

>>10731641
>>10731651
fucking autistically retarded rules. "hurr durr thats not a real racing game" it has the same target audience as a racing game, something kart racers cant say.

>>10734957
>dropping an actually good game just because it got butchered by a shitty localization
average /vr/ poster

>>10761584
>being surprised at /vr/ posters being petty over relatively fuck all
still remember reading a post from someone who would refuse to play any game which had lostprophets on the soundtrack, so no NFSU for that Anon

>>10761643
I love NFSU but lostprophets song in the game is legit garbage.
Static-X and Story of the Year songs are based.

bump

I put way too many hours into viper racing, it was surprisingly good. I remember that there weren't any invisible walls so I went off roading and explored the maps.

>>10763817
I remember I had the demo and all I did was hold the jump button and drop my car from the sky until snek turned into a little crumpled ball

>>10759881
box box box, I miss when we had at least 3 or 4 differente developers making F1 games. Same goes for Rally

>>10731364
doesn't exist

Racing games for digital input, plox

>>10751152

>>10764557
It does, boomer

>>10764557
ヴ

>>10734957
>change the name
>new name still implies the game's set in japan
>localization still tries to act like it isn't

>>10764154
>I remember I had the demo and all I did was hold the jump button and drop my car from the sky until snek turned into a little crumpled ball

yep

what a special game!

>>10764560
Wipeout

>>10731364
I've heard the JogCon is extremely good, but I heard it's only really used in Type 4 with limited compatibility in other games. You guys think it's still worth investing in one?

>>10766550
>I've heard the JogCon is extremely good
You heard wrong, JogCon is crap. NegCon is the good one.

>>10765924
the localization will always bother my autism, especially since its not even fooling anybody, theres still japanese text on the signs and roads, they just decided to ruin the immersion for no reason, as well as literally just cutting out the story in (iirc) shutoko 0. worst part is crave outsourced a shitty GBA game to some nobody studio that has none of the charm (i.e., consistent characters across the entire series that were also butchered in the first 3 crave localizations) and takes place in random cities around the world, but is still called tokyo xtreme racer. weird how some publishing studios like to pretend they created the property as if they didnt just scoop up cheap licenses from japan for a quick buck and butchered them without any care.

>>10766550
What the other guy said, I recently got both but Negcon works a little better, mind you, if you hold down the mode button on the Jogcon while the system starts up it can function as a Negcon

bump

I do not remember if I posted this in previous /vroom/, but a several months ago or so I've been spending quite some time in 2004 Crash'n'Burn, and, man, do I regret walking by this game earlier. It has some very cool car customization options for a proto-Flatout kind of a game, plus a neat attempt at doing something new and creative by introducing oil and fuel spills that have a chance of appearing on the track in case of a car crash, therefore appearing in random places every time, pretty much successfully altering the track layout every time you run it. All this gives the game quite a loit of replayability.
In terms of customization, I especially dig picrelated for muscle car, which give it 8 pipes - supposedly one pipe for each cylinder. What's awesome is the fact that game actually treats each pipe separately, therefore each pipe has its own chance to backfire. When you hit the breaks, a configuration of 8 pipes is quite a chorus.
Overall, really dig it. Currently in progress of NFS Carbon and Road Redemption, but I'm pretty sure none of those a retro.

loved this game when I was a kid, I heard there is a pc version out there but I couldn't find it yet

>>10769045
I literally just tried this game out and came to this thread to post Crash n Burn lmao. It's actually such a hidden gem.

>>10769045
carbon is retro by this boards standards. it was made for ps3 and 360 but it was crossgen on ps2 and gamecube in 2006. plus its the sequel to MW, itd be weird if it wasnt allowed here but mw was.