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never played path of neo. enter the matrix was pretty bad.

Path of Neo is at least average

never played path of neo. enter the matrix was pretty fun, despite the glitches and obvious unfinished stuff.

>>10709065
Neither.
The actual Matrix game is Max Payne 1

>>10709065
Still blows my mind how they failed to make a decent Matrix game smack dab in the middle of Matrix mania, when that shit was getting referenced left and right, especially in vidya. >>10709364 is right in that Max Payne is basically the closest we got to one.

>>10709065
I am the keymaker

>>10709071
They both are.

Max Payne-Kung Fu mod is the best Matrix game we will ever get.

>>10709065
Enter The Matrix was fun in a "this shit is so broken" kinda way. Path of Neo was better, but relied more on the martial arts than the guns

>>10709373
>max payne is basically the closest we got to one

A new challenger approaches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TpbkfN8Zks

>>10709373
>Still blows my mind how they failed to make a decent Matrix game smack dab in the middle of Matrix mania
this was so weird, and the Wachowskis are supposedly huge nerds, yet no games until the sequel
I have no idea what the execs at Warner were thinking

>>10709594
I've heard they didn't have all that much faith in the movie, so perhaps it's a case of there simply being absolutely nothing lined up to cash in, only for them to get caught with their pants down at how popular it ended up being.

>>10709606
And by them I mean the execs, of course.

>>10709065
I like path of neo as a licensed novelty, it clearly had care put into it, but it's not good, 6/10 is its ceiling.

>>10709839
It would be better if it ran higher than 10 fps. I'm not generally an fps whore, as long as you can maintain your framerate somewhat consistently I'm happy, but they can't even do that.

>>10709594
if enter the matrix had been it, yeah maybe it'd be weird, but they gave path of neo the college try. I think it was just a case of them not having the vision to avoid 6th gen action game mediocrity. looking at it with hindsight you lean 100% into bullet time gunplay with melee and acrobatics being an extension of it, with extended canned one on one fighting de emphasized.

>>10709065
I prefer thinking the 1st movie was a stand alone thing and a couple stories from the animation served as hype and a little fan service extra lore. So like 2 animated shorts, 1 movie, no video games.

>>10709909
Reloaded was at least still very entertaining, if nonsensical at points. Revolutions can eat a dick, though.

Neither, not touching troon shit

>>10709065
I enjoyed renting Enter The Matrix on the GameCube. I remember the ending being interesting when all the agents try to chase you down on top of the skyscrapers. And it had real-life scenes shot with the actors in-between levels and the story was canon, at the time, as far as I know. Most of the budget probably went there.

>>10709909
the second movie was still cool even if a mess.

>>10709594
The Wachowskis contacted Shiny about making a game for the first Matrix before it released
>But Shiny ultimately turned them down. “That was probably the worst decision of my career,” Perry told Polygon in a recent interview. He later took his wife to see the movie, and neither of them could believe he’d said no to making a game based on the Wachowskis’ masterpiece.
The Wachowskis' came back to Shiny after the first movie and Shiny was a lot more receptive to making a game about The Matrix
Atari (then Infogrames) bought Shiny in the middle of production of Enter The Matrix specifically to get their hands on the Matrix license
I have no idea why the Wachowskis were adamant about Shiny developing the game. Shiny must have been cheap can be the only reason.

I was one of those weirdos that played Matrix Online for awhile.

>>10709065
Enter the Matrix

>>10709071
>enter the matrix was pretty bad.
I thought the same until I gave it a real chance because I like the movies a lot
Once you figure out the controls and combat, the real kino experience kicks in and the game become enjoyable. A unique experience.

It actually takes some patience to learn the game and understand what it has to offer. Playing on hard difficulty from the start helps get you to this point.

>>10709065
Enter the Matrix was a half-baked mess. Path of Neo is far from perfect but it's a much better game. More faithful to the source material and it's at-least fun.

>>10709065
never got to play PON and i don't really dig the whole reimagined shit thing so i guess i gonna pick ETM for reasons

>>10710065
>Atari (then Infogrames) bought Shiny in the middle of production of Enter The Matrix specifically to get their hands on the Matrix license
The absolute apex predator behavior of cash-infused early 2000s Infogrames

I never finished Enter the Matrix. Played it when I was much, much younger and all I can remember is that there were were many annoyingly difficult moments in it. Especially didn't like the ride & shoot missions.

Path of Neo I played, finished and enjoyed. My biggest complaint about it was that after first movie finale it gets repetitive. Weapons become obsolete and it's a fancy kung-fu game where you spam the same combos to get rid of the hordes of samey enemies as efficiently as possible so you can carry on with the game.

I recall thinking many a time during the playthrough that is had potential to be so much more than it was. Maybe if it was remade/remastered one day it would be an amazing game.

>>10709065
Enter the Matrix was a buggy mess that forced you to play as characters nobody cared about, but when it did work okay for that 10 percent of the time, it was really cool.

I’m reaching back 20+ years, but I’m pretty sure on Xbox the attack button was the black button. If it wasn’t attack then it was another major action was mapped to the black button, which is unheard of.

>>10710021
Prime Monica Bellucci makes out with prime Will Smith's wife in one of the cutscenes.

Also, that Asian Australian guy they cast couldn't act for shit which explains why he was never seen again.

Also, Lachy Hume who used to be a fairly big Aussie tv actor was Sparks the operator. I guess they just last minute cast in Sydney where it was shot as an afterthought.

Enter is more fun
>kicking and punching everyone while on run

>>10709065
I just put on infinite ammo and infinite health/focus and just went nuts killing the SWAT in that airport level. Shit was the bomb as a 10 year old, yo.

>>10710849
Just checked the manual and black button is "Fire primary weapon". Wtf.

>>10710885
You can switch it to R. What were they thinking though?

>>10710863
>Prime Monica Bellucci makes out
Which version is the best?
I'VE SAID WHICH VERSION IS THE BEST DAMMIT.
If PC keyboard or controller.
ANSWER ME!

>>10710885
I was pretty sure black was attack, that’s really stuck with me 20 years later.
It has to be because The Matrix was so cool and epic they couldn’t have you use a normal button, you had to use the epic black button. That’s the only reason I can see why they would do that.
Every other game used black button for like, some bullshit you rarely use, but Enter the Matrix? Just accept your thumb is going to seize.

>>10710917
Xbox, probably. But all the cutscenes are on YouTube anyway, my dude

>>10710917
PC

In addition to the oft forgotten “primary attack was black button on Xbox” factoid, prepare your autistic anuses for ANOTHER FACTOID.
Path of Neo on PS2 is one of the only, if not the only game to make use of normal mapping. I’m not even sure how they pulled it off on the PS2 since it’s not at all built for it unlike Xbox and (to a lesser extent) GameCube.

BONUS FACTOID:
The far more capable PC and Xbox’s port of Path of Neo has NO normal mapping, though the PC version is the worst looking of all three versions. The total opposite of what you would expect. Really curious circumstance, and a real technical marvel for PS2 that’s rarely spoken about.

>>10709065
Did you even get to fight these lads in either version?

>>10710021
It wasn’t budget that hurt the game, it was time constraints iirc. The game has cool ideas but fuck playing as Naomi I think it was? And the other guy? Like who gives a fuck about these retards?
>>10710960
Forgot to post picture, shit.

>>10710968
Also check the tiles. Normal mapping on PS2…insane (mundane).

>>10710846
Haha why are there ant people? This should have been in the movie, specifically the impossibly shitty third one. Ant people could have really livened that snorefest up.

>>10709909
The Matrix is the superior movie overall, but the middle 45 minutes of Reloaded from Merovingian to the end of Freeway are the best of the series.

>>10709065
Path of KINO fucking demolishes EtM, this isn't even a contest

>>10710969
Holy fuck

>>10710984
All flash, no substance but I agree it was cool especially in 2003.
They had nowhere to go with the story really after the first one. You see him literally become “the one” at the end and he flies like Superman because he mastered “the matrix”, then in the second one he’s just back to being limited.
I have nostalgic memories for reloaded but it is a shit movie, only the first one is substantial because it was unique with great pacing and setup. The Watchowski bros got really lucky with it because the rest of their movies are garbage.
No, speed racer is not a good movie.
No, v for vendetta is not a good movie and gave us infinite early Chan “muh heckin Scientology!” cringe.

>>10711015
>but it is a shit movie
nah. the stuff with smith and the architect is a lot of fun.

>>10710087
Lucky bastard, how was it to play Matrix Online in 2004?

>>10711015
I think they had the right idea with focusing on the more philosophical angle, fleshing out the programs, having Morpheus and Trinity have fighting moments without Neo, and making Neo take a real world journey, it's just they fumbled the execution.

>>10710753
Atari really was the EA of Europe back then, they got sued multiple times over the shit they pulled because the French courts don't have tolerance for what EA can get away with in America.

>>10710961
They're a boss in PoN iirc

>>10710974
Merovigian's château has a lot of fantasy like monsters from previous Matrix versions iirc

>>10710968
>The game has cool ideas but fuck playing as Naomi I think it was? And the other guy? Like who gives a fuck about these retards?
the plot for the sequels were really convoluted and the game and animatrix were used to explain the side plot of how did they discover the machines found out Zion's location and it was about to be invaded
which was pretty lame, everyone wanted to play as Neo in the game

>>10710934
Based soulful controls filtering zoom zooms

>>10711313
Honestly it was really cool. I was hooked despite all the bugs and frequent disconnects I was encountering (All of which were patched over time), the coolest part of the game was the people RPing as characters from the films, they would show up at your guild or in-game events those were the highlights for me. I wish more MMOs did cool community stuff like that (Radio-Free Zion was so good) the community is what kept you coming back for more, I've never played another MMO with such an involved player-base it really felt like you were part of something epic. It wasn't perfect but it was waaay ahead of it's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYkK6IkQ5HI

>>10710881
100% this

>>10712297
How big was the player base generally? Small and intimate?

>>10709065
Xbox matrix game was LEGENDARY

>>10711015
>speed racer is not a good movie
true but it's the best bad movie EVER. John Goodman and a monkey versus ninjas and all sorts of retardkino.
>V for Vendetta
seems like a good movie until you read the book and realize the movie is garbage

enter the matrix is way better. still baffles me that people say neo

>>10709065
Enter was acceptable for the time but it was just another part of their mostly failed attempt to create an EU and the feature the EU is attached to at the same time. In theory, the game, the animatrix and the films would all support each other and form one synergistic experience but in reality it just took an IP that really wasn't there yet and spread it too thin too fast.

It was an interesting accompaniment to the movies in the sense that it repurposed cut content from the films and told a parallel story but at the same time, the only reason you gave a fuck was because of its connection to the movie. It was pretty janky and generic and Ghost and Niobe on their own aren't really all that interesting. They put the cart before the horse and presumed people would want more of these characters but in reality no one gave a fuck. Not a single person was thinking "oh good, I'll finally find out what Niobe was up to during the films." It was pretty meh then, I don't think I'd even want to play it now.

Path of Neo made much more sense because you actually played as the MC from the films, which is what everyone wanted to begin with. It still wasn't particularly good but enjoyable in the way that all competent tie-in movie games are. Even when it's half-assed It's fun to play your favorite scenes as the protagonist. So it was much more satisfactory, but the problem is that because they went for the parallel story first and did the proper adaptation second it came years after the fact. By the time it came out the sequels had already come and gone and and 3rd film in particular went out with a whimper. I enjoyed it but it should have just been where they went with it to begin with.

>>10712864
>Enter was acceptable for the time but it was just another part of their mostly failed attempt to create an EU and the feature the EU is attached to at the same time. In theory, the game, the animatrix and the films would all support each other and form one synergistic experience but in reality it just took an IP that really wasn't there yet and spread it too thin too fast.
>It was an interesting accompaniment to the movies in the sense that it repurposed cut content from the films and told a parallel story but at the same time, the only reason you gave a fuck was because of its connection to the movie. It was pretty janky and generic and Ghost and Niobe on their own aren't really all that interesting. They put the cart before the horse and presumed people would want more of these characters but in reality no one gave a fuck. Not a single person was thinking "oh good, I'll finally find out what Niobe was up to during the films." It was pretty meh then, I don't think I'd even want to play it now.
Sounds familiar...
It's funny how many companies tried this and the only time it actually sort of worked was fucking Marvel movies

>>10712910
I would argue it worked way better for Star Wars because yes, sometimes we got garbage like the KJA books, but we got tons of good shit out of it too.

>>10712864
desu when a property has a really strong premise/universe like the matrix I think I honestly prefer side stories(though not necessarily side characters that are already in the movie) following a movie scene by scene in vidya form has always felt it a bit hokey.

>>10709364
>>10709373
https://youtu.be/yg7Vk4b0Ook?t=132

forgetting someone, anon?

https://youtu.be/7u0ohVxC-2M

https://youtu.be/XlgsmZHVXt4

>>10712656
From what I recall it was a pretty decent sized player base (I joined a month after release) especially given the problem that it launched around the same time as World of Warcraft.

>>10710065
They could've made MDK with some added kung fu and bullet time and it would have been so much better than what we got, Shine was so based
Also the brothers couldn't deal with the fame and got tricked into a Hollywood kinky sex and drugs orgy cult rabbit hole that doomed the games and also the sequels

both games play like shit nowadays, but at the time enter the matrix was a much better game than neo

>>10713516
Yep, I was thinking of this as well. Like, goddamn, how hard was it to make a game like this in 2001 or 2002?

>>10709501
For real they should have just got remedy to use this exact engine for a Matrix game. I would still play a Matrix game in this engine just like I’d play a new Jedi Knight in id tech 3.
>>10712297
I missed out on this back in the day (I was a SW Galaxies ‘tard), and there seems to be a private server for Matrix Online.
Anyone ever use it? We should fucking start a /vr/ general and get some groups going. I’d totally be down to play this, I always wanted to.
https://mxoemu.info/

>>10714272
Yeah I heard about the MxO private server before, that's really cool. Also cool, RFZ is still up and running after all these years. https://radiofreezion.net/

>>10709065
Enter the Matrix was meh.
I really enjoyed Path of Neo, but I was much younger back then and I haven't played it since.

>>10709065
Path of Neo.
Enter had a worse version of its gameplay and bland, boring characters in a bland, boring story. Graphics were jank in both though. The only thing Enter had over Path was Going Under.
That said, it's not like Path of Neo was actually good, just decent. There are tons of other games that do Matrix better than the Matrix videogames.

>>10710065
If Resurrections is anything to go by, they probably hated how the games turned out.

>>10715021
Wasn't Resurrections basically a sabotage job by the Wachowskis? Or is that just some cope they made up?

>>10715032
Kinda, it's clear they wanted the saga to be over while WB wanted to milk it some more, but despite that there was some actual effort in trying to make the movie good by the director. Wether >she succeded it's up to the viewer.

>>10715021
kek I'm glad I didn't watch that in theatres, Keanu looked awkward as fuck in the movie like he didn't want to be there.