/vr/ - Retro Games

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=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10413464
https://archive.org/details/shadow-warrior-mapping-kit

/Vertex Relocation/
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10592017


=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
AD MORTEM FINAL CUT (v1.5.6)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3exnqm8nxg4gukhj10hcp?rlkey=r5nwzu32pfh2dtefpbjy2p49b
Ad Mortem Guns (DECORATE): https://files.catbox.moe/ihv4l4.zip

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/9941720

=== NEWS ===
[2-6]Doom 64 CE release (3.9.0)
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10664312/#10670816

[2-6]Quake Remix Jam released
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/remix-jam.315/

[2-4]DBP64: The Vast Silence released
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3489/silence

[2-4]https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2remaster/releases/tag/8.31RR4
Yamagi quake 2 remaster alpha build is out, Md5 support in early stages included.


[2-4]https://github.com/fabiolimamp/alkaline/releases/tag/1.2.2
New devkit for Quake Alkaline mod

[2-4][YouTube] Feb 1, 2024 id Software's 33rd Anniversary Stream (embed)
33rd anniversary stream with Romero, Hall, and Carmack.

[1-25]Surreal Engine a "general source port" of OG Unreal engine was discovered by Anon
https://github.com/dpjudas/SurrealEngine

[1-25]The md5 model of the Guardian Boss is out for Quake 2 Remastered, making all monsters finally HD.
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/md5-model-guardian-for-quake-2-remastered

[1-25]The SW mapping kit had been updated with a tutorial video, Build Engine Boot Camp.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10629380/#10633519

[1-23]Seaside Sanctuary for /vertex relocation/ project
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10617587/#10627127

[1-23]Trenchbroom 2024.1 rc1 is out
https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2024.1-RC1


=== PREVIOUS ===
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GzDoom is Doom.

Any progress on Kustam?

Finally finished my fountains

https://streamable.com/bdhzo3

TerShibbulath with a Mjonir-flavored twist

>>10690760
I applaud your 'tism dude.

>>10690761
God, these "Quake BUT ON EARTH" maps are the absolute pits. Just make a proper map

>>10690739

>>10690761
Q1 graphics did not age well, i prefer doom graphics

Hey Anon! My obsession with DooM made me make a video about the blues brothers mod wich I loved the level designs.

It's in empanada talk for the latin/hispanic players but youtube allows automatic traslation to english.
I hope you enyoy it.

https://youtu.be/UeTQIJytW-Y?si=DORRBE88XWpOj_TA

>>10690905
What’s a
>proper
Quake map? Ter Shibboleth has a very “lovecrafty” level halfway through but it’s real linear. Real pretty though.

I never actually played most of these games but I am now and it's really fun.

>>10690927
You're just being unfair. The textures for Ter Shib are just ugly, Quake 1 still looks neat.

I swear I read somewhere that GLQuake had limited support for reflective surfaces and used the stained glass window in start.bsp to show it off, but I'm finding nothing about it at all. Would I be thinking of a different port?

>>10690975
Brown

>OH, SO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MAP? OH YEAH, SURE, JUST LET ME LOAD FOR 17 MILLION YEARS
>OH, WHAT'S THAT? YOU WANT TO GO INTO THE VISUAL MODE? SORRY FRIEND, BEST I CAN DO IS JUST CRASH

>>10691037
Not the program’s fault you’re too cheap to buy a halfway decent PC

>>10691043
>AN I7 AND 16 GB OF RAM IS NOT ENOUGH CHUD!!! YOU MUST HAVE A THREADRIPPER AND 128 GB RAM MINIMUM TO RUN IT!!

>>10691051
Dog I'm still rocking a Skylake i5 from 2015 with an RX 480 and I can run UDB and Slade simultaneously for hours. I think you need to download a new GPU or something.

>>10691037
Use Eureka then. UDB isn't the only editor for Doom (Unless you want GZDoom exclusive features then you're fucked)

>>10691037
Works on my machine :^)

In Ultimate DOOM Builder setting a wad format to UMDF lets you have infinite sidedefs, but also enables a bunch of other shit features. I only want infinite sidedefs

>>10690980
I'm glad you're trying them out anon. Good level design just doesn't get old.

>>10691202
>Good level design just doesn't get old.
Half Life 2s did, the game would be very tedious to play nowadays for me

>>10690714
more like dumb lmao

>>10691168
>boring palette
>lol retro

>>10691182
Too bad.

>>10691182
Too bad you still don't understand how map formats work

>>10691203
I never really liked Half-Life 2's level design, the game feels like a road trip in the worst way.
It's comprised of long stretches of themed filler with the occasional physics or combat oriented roadblock.
Unless you get stumped by a puzzle, you almost never spend enough time in an area to make it feel like a place.
Combat is also unlikely to hold you up, most of the game's enemies are trivially easy, which doesn't help.

>>10691203
>Good level design
>Half Life 2
If you think Water Hazard and Highway 17 are good level design then you need to question your tastes

>>10690715
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/alea-iacta-est-episode-1
Alea Iacta Est Episode 1 for quake 2 is out

>>10691243
hmm yes explain please

>>10691203
HL2 in good levels doesn't get old. Minerva is still a blast to play, as are certain parts of the original campaign and the episodes

>>10691004
Yeah I guess this is more of a beige, isn't it?
>>10691168
>always enyo
I will try more maps through Enyo later, but anon just linked more Q2 stuff I gotta try out >>10691261
>>10691302
>HL2 in good levels doesn't get old. Minerva is still a blast to play, as are certain parts of the original campaign and the episodes
When I revisit HL2 I'm always starting at Route Kanal. When I'm done with Water Hazard, I quit and start a new game at Ravenholm. I also have hard time replaying HL2 without SMod.

>>10690304
>>10690327
Just wanted to say I lol'd at this.

>>10690975
I don't think the original id1 Quake is particularly non-linear, nor is linearity a bad thing, especially with regards to Ter Shib.

>>10691375
AAAAAA yourself

>>10691379
It was for me in this case.

>>10690759
None yet. Still working on Doomslayer. I'm pretty optimistic about making Kustam into a better character though, and thankfully that should go a lot quicker seeing as he doesn't have 7 fucking weapons.

>>10691406
I can do naught but disagree. I can see it being disappointing if you were expecting non-linearity, but it's a great ride man.

>>10691421
Fuck, forgot screen.

>>10691406
What map is this? It's beautiful

>>10691429
Ter Shibboleth's fourth map, Shattered Soul Of The Scarab.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/ter_shibboleth_drake_redux.html

>>10691421
>I can see it being disappointing if you were expecting non-linearity
Aw yeah this, big time. The level also repeats itself in a weird way with how it warps the player back, but it is definitely a looker of a level.
>>10691429
Shattered Soul of the Scarab. This and webm are from the same thing: Ter Shibboleth.

>>10691438
>filename
They ported the map to Mjolnir?

>>10691442
I'm playing the Drake version through it because lmao and a lot of things sync up. I did it for Enyo and some Alkaline maps, now I'm messing with more stuff.

>>10691203
Half Life 2 doesn't have good level design for the most part.
>>10691261
Somebody did a Map Jam for the Q2 re-release, neat.

>>10691448
You're playing Drake through Mjolnir? That's pretty rad. Gonna try that now. What exactly is going in in your pic related?

>>10691203
Play HL2 with SMOD and it'll never get old ever.

>>10691464
It won't be the smoothest ride but it's fun to mess with. Summoned horned allies aren't likely to be friendly, Angron had a hard time moving around in his arena, and Needlehorn crashed when I grabbed the boat oar at the end.
>What exactly is going in in your pic related?
My initial attempt at editing Enyo models, trying to make them fit in.
It's not going well but I'm learning. I hope to at least get good enough at adding a more 'weathered' look to a lot of these eventual recolors.

>>10691520
When you finish with it you oughta post em here.

sciencultist

>>10691532
>When you finish with it you oughta post em here.
Of course, that's part of the plan.
I'm not sure if I want to do anything for the mod's shambie replacement because honestly, I miss that big guy and it might be fun trying to make these guys look like they match.

>>10691258
Highway 17 is kino

>>10691279
NTA, but I'm pretty sure you can have unlimited sidedefs in any format. It's the source port and maybe node builder that matter, not UDMF or whatever.

in the doom community, there's sort of a trend towards custom content getting more and more difficult as peoples' familiarity with the game's mechanics increases. wads from 98 are typically not nearly as hard as wads from 2015.
it's also much more common to find maps that are significantly harder than anything found in the original iwads than maps that match the same difficulty.
is the same true for quake? i haven't played a ton of custom quake maps but from the few that i have it seems that quake doesn't really have a like, the quake equivalent of slaughter maps.
i'm 100% a quake tourist so am i way off base?

>>10691608
also a quake tourist but if I had to guess, infighting technically exists but it's way harder to set off so placing 40 monsters in a room and "just make them infight lmoa" doesn't go over as well in quake

>>10690710
This tree looks really terrifying for some reason

>>10691830
It looks like a chicken wing.

>>10691838
Ok fatass

>>10691843
What, you don't see it? It's even got a similar texture.

>>10691838
>chicken wing
50% of the time I see these words I think of the mob boss's rant from Bagman

>>10691608
Limit removing ports and stuff vastly pushed the capabilities of what you can do in maps even before you even start with map formats.

You do get a fair share of wads that aren't the hardest shit ever but you also get stuff like say Headless Chicken where it expects you to be pretty good at the game.

>>10691608
It's a horrific trend, exacerbated by speedrunners getting a wild hair to become Jack of all trades by pumping out garish overly difficult meme slaughter in an attempt to continually one up each other.
Challenge maps should still be fair and despite what any genderqueer speed demon feels, something being possible one in a thousand times does not excuse poor balancing.

If Repugnus is ITT, could he please answer for his crimes?

>>10691203
I think the problem with HL2 is that most of the levels are built around a particular one-off gimmick. Sometimes the gimmick works (Gravity Gun in Ravenholm, Antlion minions in Nova Prospekt), but mostly is stuff that is impressive for a first playthrough but doesn't hold up in replays

Using Ironwail:
Whenever I load into the game, I always have to change my brightness and my UI scale. Even though in the settings window they show as the correct position, they aren't. Changing the value makes it work, but it doesn't persist after I exit the game.
Weirdly enough, the brightness setting seems to be below the minimum somehow. In the video I moved both sliders to the left. Brightness increase, and the UI scale increased as well.

How the fuck do I get these settings to save?

>>10692001
put them in an autoexec?

>>10691608
>it's also much more common to find maps that are significantly harder than anything found in the original iwads than maps that match the same difficulty.
This ends up feeling the same for Quake just because the bar was set lower: It never received an expansion as hard as Plutonia and the original levels were strict with the techbase enemies. I haven't come across too many "slaughter maps" compared to Doom but that could just be the popularity contest.

>>10692040
What are the commands that adjust brightness and UI scale?

Was looking at old magazine scans and I thought I should post this here just because of how soulful this looks

>>10691938
I love challenge maps, except when they're too challenging and I can't beat them then they're unfair and badly designed.

>>10692180
maps being made in a way that necessitates good rng in order to beat them is actually bad design.

>>10692198
Such as?

>>10692201
Balls of Steel CP
D5DA
Poogers
Dance on the Water
Cryogenics
New Sunder
and anything else made by speedtrannys and those who playtest their own maps with saves

What's /vr/ favorite fps of 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007?

Is quaddicted dead? Where do people upload their quake stuff now?

>>10692070
Saved, thanks

Heretic or Duke Nukem?

>>10692070
This is the design that should've taken off

>>10691830
that's because its shape makes it look like it's made of flesh rather than wood. it's subtle enough that it triggers uncanny valley feelings.
>>10691838
it kinda does
>>10692403
always bait on Douq

>>10692069
gamma and
scr_conscale
scr_menuscale
scr_sbarscale
scr_crosshairscale

>>10692418
holy shit i already had an autoexec that someone else made that changed the gamma and scr_sbarscale which is why my settings weren't saving. just deleting the autoexec fixed it sorry for being retarded

>>10692361
>Is quaddicted dead?
Not sure. The site was getting updated, so maybe that's still ongoing.
>Where do people upload their quake stuff now?
I wouldn't call them people, but Slipseer.

So what's the final word on Duke 20th anniversary version vs Duke original?

>>10692521
original.

>>10692361
Quaddicted isn't dead, but you have always had to go through a liaison to upload your things to quaddicted. The other place is Slipseer, which allows you to upload your things yourself.

>>10683361
Didn't quite work how I wanted it to, I'll just make some togglewalls or toggleinvisiblewalls I think; I wanted the eye closed position, then a trigger opens the eyes for the fight, then when enough shooting has occurred, the bloody texture is switched to. However with all three textures corresponding to +0, a, and then b, when the wall is triggered, they swap between a and b in an animated fashion.

>>10692530
Woah, it's Lo Wang!

>>10692530
What a fucking top bloke.

>>10691594
gzdoom in boom format still has a limit

Happy chocolate day

>>10692521
Engine sucks, but the new episode is the best Duke thing we've gotten in years. Luckily it can be played with raze and eduke.

>>10691037
Doesn't give me any trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxNY7vqbNWE

>>10691037
One irreconcilable gripe I have with it is that I hate seeing this splash image with some lame and irrelevant bald alien creature in it. Suppose I could hack the old pinkie back in, but then I'd need to deal with the bloated microsoft ide crap to compile it. No winning.

Tips and quotes from DBX are even better.

>>10692864
an idea struck me

>>10692864
or like this. looks more like the NPC meme which may or may not work

>>10690710

>>10692904
I wish they let you customize the splash image. I miss that cool as fuck 3D Pinkie sculpt from GZDB.

>>10692907
That works.

.wads for this feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsGq2Ts7Zm0

Like, I know about Boot Hill and those other old partial conversions, but is there any other cool Wild West Dooming besides that? As in with levels and all.

Using VR2, I have the play_sound entity set to trigger a sound. I get this "error" message which is really just saying the sound is a stereo sample, but why does that prevent Ironwail from playing the sound? How would I make it mono then?

>>10692974
nvm fixed ty audacity

Is there a way in Slade to search all the code files for text?

>>10693094
Not that I'm aware of. However you can use a separate program to search in all text documents for stuff, Notepad++ can do this if you're on Windows, Geany on Linux.

>>10690715
[02-14] Twogers RC1 is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/143368-twogers-50-more-maps-of-twitch-madness-rc1-mbf21/

>>10693098
Thanks. I was able to find what I was looking for, but unfortunately it seems to be inside some compiled ACS, and it seems like that's out of my reach to edit (I don't mess with this stuff at all normally), but leaving as is is only a mild annoyance so whatever.

>>10693112
On the plus side: Now you have the knowledge for searching for crap in an entire project. That's a godsend sometimes.

hi lads, I've got a question for ya
when I was a kid I played a fps game from a demo cd I think
anyway it was a time travelling game? you went to prehistoric time and advanced through time, I slightly remember ww2(?) part and maybe the future, google is fucking useless of course
pretty vague I'm sorry and my memory is pretty vague
I can 100% everything on the first few levels of doom 2 if that makes me a proper anon

>>10693104
kino

>>10691261
the asshole who made this deserves a beating for leaving such a low count of health drops alongside a ton of shotgunner and chaingunner hitscanners, blaster is so shit that is criminal

>>10692970
DBP30

>>10693124
Timesplitters ?

>>10693094
>tools>script manager>entry scripts>find text in entries
Double click that, click run, enter your text in, the click view > console and scroll through your results

>>10693094
>>10693184

>>10693181
was there some kind of prequel to that because I just don't think thats it, I'm about to really do myself in was it a TPS also I'm sorry pls forgive I suck long time

>>10692907
saved

>>10691203
I actually really like HL2. Not as much as the original, which is one of the best games ever made if you ignore the shitpile that is Xen, but its still pretty good.

>>10693370
>shitpile that is Xen

>>10692070
I miss old gaming mags
Old mags:
>Actual gamers
>Had fun
>Lewd shit sometimes
>Made fun of their readers in a playful way

Modern mags (mostly online now):
>They hate games more than /v/
>No fun allowed, must point out political talking points and focus on that
>Lewd shit? That's sexist!
>Genuinely hates the average gamer
Take me back to the 90's and early 2000s. Things were better then. At least the internet was at any rate.

>>10692361
Ironically enough, Slipseer's admin basically accused Quaddicted's admin of being a power hungry gatekeeping creep and became just that himself but much worse.
I'd use Quaddicted if possible but it looks like a sinking ship. Not that most of the new content on Slipseer is palatable but there are a few gems posted on it now and then.

>>10693387
Also the old gaming websites before corporate fucks figured out there was money in running them.

Is Super Shotgun overpowered?

>>10693449
Nope but people seem to like using it the most.

>>10693449
It's a fairly powerful weapon in the upper half of the game's arsenal, but on maps that give players more cells and rockets, it's clearly not as dominant as some people make it out to be.

>>10693462
it’s DPS is in the middle compared to everything
for reference:
https://www.doom2.net/single/weaponfaq.html#weapont
is so nice

>>10693449
Not really, it's just given way too early in Doom 2 and that's had a knock on effect for when people expect it.

>>10693449
>deals more damage than a rocket launcher at point blank for a much smaller cost
>can reliably stun most of the roster out of attacking
>monsters can do nothing if you decide to shoot around corners
>permanently ruined deathmatch
very, though it's outclassed on larger maps and slaughtertrash

>>10693491
It deals slightly less damage than the RL.

>>10693449
Different question:

Can all the maps ever made beaten with SSG and BFG only? Are there any situations where one of the others are mandatory?

>>10693482
It's got ammo economy out the wazoo since it uses shells and those have to be pretty much everywhere.

>>10693504
Hitting stuff at range, obviously icon of sin maps, you can fuck both up if you're crafty with pinky traps too.

>>10693482
Weapons are more than just DPS numbers, the Chainsaw has the same average DPS as the Chaingun, but it's obvious which one is more generally useful.

>>10693506
>It's got ammo economy out the wazoo
Shotguns are slow to refire so they’ll always be good on the ammo economy unless it’s an autoshotgun or can do something nuts like shoot 6 shells at once.
If the custom maps you’re playing don’t like placing cells and rockets but LOVES placing shells then the author either loves the super or doesn’t realize how slow it eats through shells.

>>10693403
>Warhammer Dark Omen
I still wish for a remaster, or a full reverse engineering of it.

>>10692407
for what, doomguy?

Yep, that's me, you're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.

>>10693513
>>the Chainsaw has the same average DPS as the Chaingun, but it's obvious which one is more generally useful.
>out of bullets? chainsaw
>have the bullets but can’t reach the baddy? chaingun
>full bullets and a pinky says hi? chainsaw
>zerk pickup? goodbye chainsaw
It certainly is more than “just the DPS”. It’s still very useful having an idea of how the weapons compare to each other over time.

>>10693537
yes

>>10693449
No, Shotgunning Cacodemons and Barons in Doom 1 was fucking awful plus you need more fire power for the Doom 2 monsters.

>>10693590
"Out of bullets" is literally the only situation where the chainsaw would be preferable to the chaingun
There's a reason some players are hesitant to even pick the chainsaw up.
>full bullets and a pinky says hi? chainsaw
You're risking getting bit for no reason.

>>10693618
Better off punching Pinkies and Spectres.

>>10693551
I always end up just keeping the item shitting reward things till the end of the map and then spamming them in that mod.

>>10693624
There’s also a reason many mods make the bites out of these guys come out faster, they’re easily avoided.
Port choice is also a factor. GZDoom has a hitscan option that makes it much easier to punch/saw things.

>>10693449
It's overfun.
>>10693491
>>deals more damage than a rocket launcher at point blank for a much smaller cost
Not counting the splash.

>>10682057
I looked up what this flag represents and it's apparently the "Bear Pride" flag, representing hairy gay men. Why is this in a map based off of Facing Worlds except the towers are replaced with squirrels? I don't know. Make of it what you will.

>>10693732
Furfags.

>>10693732
go figure. I assumed it was just a generic people-of-color-good-whites-bad flag

>>10693758
Considering who the mappers responsible for that project are I don't blame you for assuming the worst.

>>10693732
I used to fantasize about a big beefy baron of hell with a spectacular jungle of chest hair to rail my ass as a kid when I first played E1M8 in 1993. I mean I still do, but I used to, too.

Doom needs a warning message for it's harmful content.

>>10693820
>This game reflects the attitudes and opinions of its time and may offend!
Something like that for the zoomers?

>>10693824
Something like that
It's characterisation of beings from the abyss as being "evil" and okay to murder is just not okay in 2024

>>10693820
>>10693850
I'd have thought having the Bethesda logo pasted all over it would serve as some kind of warning.

>>10693820
>rated M for mature

>>10693820
>satanists sue bethesda over offensive depiction of demons
>bethesda releases new version of doom with "aliens" instead

>>10693820
Here, it's on the house

Outpost Auriga IV isn't bad if you want more Alkaline. Which I do so I enjoyed it a lot, even if there is a little too much ammo for the laser rifle and SNG.
>>10693895
There are people out there right now who think Bethesda made Doom. You'd think the lack of spazzing ragdolls and game breaking glitches would clue them in.

>Outpost Auriga IV
How much of the expanded roster does it use?

>>10690760
>tism
managed to make it fully radial, now it's very satisfying to walk around

>>10693616
It's the opposite
Pain Elementals, Knights, Arachno's Archviles all have surprisingly less HP than may seem, and after doing mapping I find it easier to fight any of those 2 than a single Hell Baron or 2 Caco's.

Finished doom 1 and 2 on UV but i save scummed a lot, what should be my difficulty setting for doom 2016?

>>10693998
A decent amount, but it's mostly grunts and enforcers.
>>10694028
Save scummed as in saving constantly, or just using saves now and then mid level? I shouldn't have to ask but some newer players don't seem to know what save scumming actually is.
But nu-Doom is pretty easy in comparison, so UV I guess.

>>10691202
I went through Doom 1 and playing Heretic now. I'm having fun so far.

>>10694039
i used it a lot, some maps were bullshit and i doubt i would have patience to do full run in one take

>>10694017
Arch-viles have more than half of baron's hp, so I don't know what you are getting at. But more importrantly, new monster (Except for knights who are just barons with half as much hp) have more dangerous attacks.

>>10694061
Pretty sure Baron has 50% more HP than Archie but idk

>>10694012
In better light
https://streamable.com/omkp6p

>>10694097
do Barons count as a "boss" enemy?

>>10693370
>not liking Xen stages of HL1
>not spurting out iconic noises like wahoo, yuah, weehooo, yahoo while jumping between floating rocks
>not yelling "ooooaaaawaaaaahhhhhh!!" loudly during a high fall
>not saying "it's a-me Gordon" at the start of bossfights

>>10694108
Well in Episode 1,they do.

>>10694039
>A decent amount, but it’s mostly grunts and enforcers
Lovely, Enyo compatibility will be tested. I’d love to grab the source for this mod.

https://streamable.com/1mp1yp

>>10694097
1000 vs 700, so more or less correct. Arachnotrons have 600, mancs and knights have 500.

So 2 new monsters are at least as healthy as a baron. But it's not monster health that kills you.

>>10693449
>have two barrels
>consumes 2 shells at once per trigger pull as expected
>damage output is equal to 3 shell shots at once per trigger pull
>only around 38% slower than stock shotgun per trigger pull
So it deals 50% more damage but only 38% slower compared to regular shotgun, so yeah, I'd say it's kind of overpowered. I think regular Doom 2 campaign should've remove it from level 2 and don't allow you to reach it until level 4-5.
Perhaps it wouldn't feel as overpowered as it is when levels start to get really hard such as level 16 and so on. I guess they foresaw that Nightmare mode would be near impossible to win against tripple speed Demons if they didn't give that to the player right away?

>>10694156
but wait
THERES MORE
https://streamable.com/m46mi6

>>10694186
>3 shots at once
>50% more powerful
okay my math was off...

>>10694186
Doom2 being 30 levels in a row is bad and exhausting, it should've been episodes so they can do "cannon" pistol starts.

>>10694186
This tells me that a buff to the regular shotgun wouldn’t have hurt.

>>10694179
I will say the SSG is overpowered in Doom 2 but imagine playing Plutonia without it.

Has anyone made a DOOM 2.5 mod of sorts? Instead of redoing the gore or w/e just make a few new mobs with some new mechanics (like Kleers or Kamikazi and stuff) and 2 unique vanilla esque weapons and build some cool levels with it?
Because DOOM has millions of custom enemies but custom wad maps near never make use of them, and they always play kinda shitty if just as replaces

>>10694232
Regular shotgun is still good for sniping fodder enemies from long distance as it doesn't have vertical spread like super shotty. When you try to do the same with chaingun that may take abit longer depending if they have cover to get behind or not.

>>10694241
>2 unique vanilla esque weapons
The problem is how do you make vanilla weapons since Doom 2's weapons already cover all the bases really well.

Playan some Doom, if anyone wants in
IP: 164.152.111.147:10666
Pass: penis
Name: Booty Lickers Incorporated
WADs: PUSS XXIV Lover's Quarrel with holiday enemies and guns
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/lvrsqrrl
https://allfearthesentinel.com/zandronum/download.php?file=skulltag_content-4.0.pk3
https://mega.nz/folder/xLciBJYY#CPKMV0VWt4ea5yJN-eNFzQ

Had to edit a couple things in the wads to get them to work together, so they're not in any wadseeker database. The load order is
>PUSS24, skulltag_content-4.0, chastedoom, fguns-no-enemies
in case you need to join manually

>>10694240
If the double shotgun is considered “overpowered” in Doom 2, how would you describe the BFG in it? “Absolutely hideous”?
>>10694248
Yeah but still. Ten pellets per shell from the pump wouldn’t have hurt.

Here's something interesting:
https://tube.hunterjozwiak.com/w/3ULokou9xc2Sx3cR4bLJQS

It's 4 completely blind players playing Doom deathmatch with an accessibility mod.

>>10694272
Try something new idk
>Regular shotgun is now switched to and from 90% faster
>Flamethrower with short range that applies permanent fire that last until kill but drains your ammo while they're on fire
>Alternatively: Flamethrowed with mid range that consumes 1 rocket to do a spew of permanent fire that instakills fodded and increases damage taken of enemies
>Cannon: Shoots a huge cannon ball that explodes on impact and prevents enemies from walking in the area for the duration, so if you're surrounded it's guaranteed escape
>Auto Lock on Plasma rifle that does 3 shots at once but for 4 ammo
>Pistol 2: Instantly drawn and fires 7 shots immediately but is slow to switch away from
>Glue Gun ala Prey that only shoots its glue in such a way that you cant move up only forward/down
along those lines

>>10694281
Yeah but that was the point of the BFG.

>>10694387
Its the best for fast killing Bosses and clears arenas well, highest deeps but not applicable to a lot of dooms level design which is highly segmented into tiny chunks

>>10694272
Unmaker and a grenade launcher.

>>10694272
SSG with a hook to get close to enemies that sets them on fire so they give armor on death
Also, not for vanilla replacements per say but it'd be cool if DOOM had just "enhanced" versions of the same gun for modders to mess around with in specific maps and encourage pistol start design

>>10694281
Thinking BFG consumes 40 cells per shot, you can only fire it about 7 to 15 times with backpack ammo upgrade before emptying it. That is unless map maker conveniently dropped large cellpacks for you to pick up. BFG also has a wind up before each shot and a small grace time after each shot.
Compared to Plasmagun at the same ammo consumption, it deals around tripple damage up close but falters at the long distance and has no continuous fire like Plasma. With 700 cells beat per minute, continuous fire from long distance can out do the BFG's dps per minute.

With super shotty, you have 25 to 50 trigger pulls with ammo upgrade backpack decimating everything on its path. Also it fires instantly with no wind up but only a mediocre reload time. Its ammunition can be found from cannon fodder enemies besides its ammo packs. Compared to normal shotty it deals tripple damage but only 40% slower. I don't know about anyone, but unless my mathcraft is off, I wouldn't call SSG any tame or balanced.

>>10694192
skill issue

SSG is a necessity, normal shotgun was underpowered and tedious to use even in doom1. Doom2 doubled down on hp bloat without SSG d2 would be an absolute chore to play through.

I'm trying to think of a business that would fit putting Duke Nukem on a billboard with "Bastards are going to pay" slogan.

>>10694532
Says you!

>>10694535
Worker's compensation firm
"Injured on the job? Those bastards are gonna pay!"

>>10694535
paternity testing business

>>10693820
This post is suspicious.

I think Quake 1 has the best balanced weaponset for singleplayer out of all the classic Doom and Quake games. Yeah, I think the regular nailgun is more useful than the D1/2 pistol.
I'll admit that I've played Quake 2 the least out of that set of games though.

>>10694281
>Ten pellets per shell from the pump wouldn’t have hurt.
Then they woulda had to rebalance monsters for that.

>>10694272
Lemme try.

>Chainsaw: Two blades, more DPS and a little more range, overheats if used too much
>Fists: a little more range, has Baratus combo
>Pistol: More damage and way more accurate. Can maybe use its own ammo supply
>Shotgun: Fire rate increased a little
>SSG: doesn't need a change, but let it gib monsters at close range because that's funny
>Chaingun: Make it the Quake 2 chaingun

I can't think of anything for the rocket launcher because it's just a well rounded weapon. Plasma could do with something as well but that one's a little trickier in my eyes because it competes with the BFG.

>>10694594
I think I prefer Doom, but I love the weirdness of Quakes weapons
>very fast super shotgun that doesn't need reloading for some reason unlike Dooms
>The machinegun and chaingun are essentially beefed up powertools
>Bouncy grenade launcher
>A fucking lightning gun
>A rusty, bloody axe. Why not?

How big is your Doom folder?

>>10694635
$ du -sh doom
9,5G doom

>>10694635

>>10693982
>There are people out there right now who think Bethesda made Doom.
With them putting their name all over id stuff whenever possible, it's not a surprise.

>>10694626
>more powerful chainsaw with overheat mechanic
>Baratus combo on doom fists
>more accurate pistol with it's own ammo supply
Those are all pretty good ideas.
>>10694635
Almost 6.5 gb.

>>10694272
Considering vanilla's autoaim and its range limit of 1024, a weapon that fires an infinitely tall energy column that goes until it hits a one-sided wall would be a cool long-range option.

>>10694635
Doom folder: 9.20gb
Quake folder: 7.62gb

>>10694635
>>10694638

>>10694496
Damage and killtimes are also important. You're looking at roughly 40 shells under the best circumstances to kill a cyberdemon. The BFG can kill a cyberdemon in two, or four if you're not feeling that frisky. That's a lot quicker than twenty goddamned super pulls.
>>10694615
>buff shotgun so it shoots 10 pellets
>buff imp health so they still have a chance to survive all of them
aw man.

>>10694278
Server crashed, re-upping on Map 21 in a sec

>>10694635
54mb

>>10694626
>Plasma could do with something as well but that one's a little trickier in my eyes because it competes with the BFG.
Railgun? Maybe a little uninspired, and maybe a little hard to use with autoaim. Some kind of pseudo-railgun that fires ripper projectiles at a moderate speed?

>>10694039
>save-scumming
nta, but i basically before i press a button or open a door or before triggering an obvious arena fight. rarely saving mid-fight unless i've already tried it a few times and i haven't gotten close.
i don't know whether this counts as save-scumming or not, i just hate replaying sections of levels that i've already done once perfectly fine.

>>10694028
IIRC Doom 2016 allows you to change difficulty mid-game unless you pick one of the highest two at the start.
Not only that, but the upgrades and weapon mods result in the game getting easier over time rather than harder.

>>10694709
I do the same. No saves mid-fight, but save freely otherwise, specially before obvious traps.
SPECIALLY on larger maps. I love them and I think there's a lot of ideas you can explore in one single large map that wouldn't really get across to the player if you split that into multiple maps, but for playing without saves, those are just pain.

Might switch wadsup's method for doom-in-browser to retroarch
http://clovr.xyz/retroarch/

this is just a test here. it's a little cumbersome... because it's retroarch and i'm fairly unfamiliar with it... but if I can get the controls working properly and make it easy to add the wads, I'll probably switch to it. runs a lot smoother than a java dosbox instance.

run->load content->start directory->downloads->doom->
right now the zips (should) load whatever they say they are, but the idea is to have a doom and a doom2 directory and select the pwad in subdirectories. atm it's just doom freedoom and rekkr..

>>10694759
>right now the zips (should) load whatever they say they are
my bad, rekkr zip is fucked. but you can load it from the subsequent doom directory. doom shareware works (comes with retroarch) and freedoom works either way

>>10694635
11.8GB

I'm a bit late, but...
Wednesday Kart Whatever, come play some SRB2Kart!

How to join (Easy, Windows only):
Download the All-in-one repack: https://mega.nz/file/AzkXSTJK#cxoQ3FD2K-Vg9bKwsvQNkWKxT8LGiCjJEfmPCwXi-eU
Extract it to its own folder (NOT the desktop or program files)
Run "SRB2K-CEP (Connect to vrkart).bat"
Wait for any missing files to download in-game
Instructions for loading the mods without connecting to the server are also included

If you don't have a 64-bit machine/OS for whatever reason: Copy the contents of the 32-bit folder into the main folder

How to join (Normal):
Download version 1.3 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/tag/v1.3
Get the custom client we use (Windows): https://mega.nz/file/ncpRjRYZ#yoVkgXmKNUjdh__jHpmUGgh30J7jlj6RIS8XjbTXKeE
Or compile it (Linux or anything else): https://gitlab.com/c3851/srb-2-k-cep
Get the mods: https://mega.nz/folder/MiUiESSa#CyovwTUnO9TSmqbwMI1xBg
Connect to 51.161.34.159 (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)

Pastebin with the above and other helpful links: https://pastebin.com/gPdytB18

>>10690715
Shadow Warrior texture set for Quake
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/shadow-warrior-1997-textures.316/

>>10694278
>>10694658
And closed. Honestly, I expected it to take a third of the time, since when I think of speedmaps they're usually smaller, but I haven't played any PUSS projects before and was pleasantly surprised by their girth.

>>10694635
~140k files
~41GB

>>10694594
Quake 2 clearly has the best internal balance, but Quake 1 has best feeling weapons.

>>10694835
Yeah, that's about what I expected.

>>10694920
whut happen?

>>10694635
just under 20 gigs

>>10694923
Basically nothing.
Just 1 new guy, so at least I know the repack probably works, not that there's any reason it wouldn't.

>>10694923
Dey tooker

>>10694931
nooooo

>>10694635
+600GB, but I also store my porn collection in there. I should probably try trimming down and sorting it some. The porn I mean, not my Dooms, about 120GB of that size is my gathered .wads, ports, and then my projects and resources.

>>10694934
why the fuck do you keep your porn in your doom folder

>>10694946
The wife, anon

>>10694949
Man that's some rough shit, you have my deepest condolences.

>>10694949
>not marrying the girl who will share your doom folder AND your porn folder
i'm sorry for you

>>10694946
Because I was a teenager living at home when I started doing that, and I kind of just continued doing that out of habit many, many years later. That's also why there's so many GBs of it. It's been going a long time, there's probably many duplicates as well as stuff which I probably don't even like anymore which I could get rid of.

I didn't use to sort my Doom stuff at all, but when I finally did do that, it helped shitloads with handling and accessing files, and keeping my projects in order, so I need to sort all that smut some day too.
Highly recommend anyone who hasn't sorted up their Doom folders to do their same, it's highly worth what little time you'll spend doing it.

>>10694949
Not hiding anything from her, and she has her own collection.

>>10694934
Hey look, we found chopblock

>>10694958
Sharing both is pretty awesome.

>>10694959
well it could be worse: you could be like Vaush and keep your fucking taxes next to your weird porn

>>10692403
a a a

My Quake map is no longer being compiled. I can make another map, compile it, and the .bsp will show up in the folder, but the one I've been working on just doesn't anymore. Why?

>>10691037
i can run it on a shitty laptop with specs equivalent to the average 2009 desktop, i think you need to upgrade some drivers or download ram or something

>>10694635

>>10694959
what game does she hide hers in

>>10695029
based doomlauncher user

>>10693370
whats so bad about xen? honestly, i enjoyed it alot.
cool enviroments, a solid challenge, and a neat atmosphere.
the only things i didnt like were the gonarch fight that lasted too long and the first part of interloper with the constant spawning vorts.

>>10695036
Xen isn't bad until Interloper.

>>10695047
I enjoy Interloper.

>>10695035
It helps with OCD, it helps to keep wads organized with tags, it helps to keep screenshots organized, it tells me what and when I played, I can save small notes right there, I can link screenshots to specific maps of the wad and even leave comments for each screenshot, I can open the wad I'm playing in Slade/UDB in two clicks, it obviously helps with different source ports and loading order and stuff. It's a really great piece of software, only UI is a bit glitchy here and there.

>>10695047
>>10695051
I don't think Xen is bad at all. I do think it ISN'T like Black Mesa, but it's sort of a never ending bandwagon at this point.
>>10695025
Spaces in the filename?

>>10695071
No. It just stopped compiling sometime last night. I had another map I was working on do the same thing a year ago. The only fix I found was to load up an autosave and redo everything I lost. I don't really want to do that.

>>10695076
Throwaway email from temp-mail:
ceyopak885@fkcod.com
Send me the .map, I'll try to compile it on my end. I'm doing it this way because I imagine you wouldn't want just anybody picking up your map and stealing shit, but if you don't care just drop it on mega or something.

>get new PC, forgot to properly move over my quake files and wiped my old PC
darn, I have to set up Quake VR again

>>10693403
i think i might add a game reviews section to my neocities site like old gaming magazine sites, where i review old fps and rts games like im stuck in 1998

>>10695083
>Quake VR
Sounds like a great way to get motion sick.

>>10695082
Sorry for making you go through that, I looked through all the extra text files that the compiler spits out and in texinfo it plainly states that I need to use -bsp2 because my map reached the brush limit. Thank you for the offer.

>>10695124
>-bsp2
Absolutely based. Good luck.
>Sorry for making you go through that
It wasn't anything, you just visit the website and they generate one for you.
https://temp-mail.org/en/

>>10692742
y-you too!

>>10695128
I've been chipping away, restarting, and chipping again at this stupid idea for almost 2 years now. It's gonna happen whether I like it or not, and then I can move on with my life.

>>10695141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyGIPoAMJdU

>>10695141

>>10694232
I like it when mods make the shotgun (or expy) able to one-shot Lost Souls.

>>10695157
Feels like playing the Skeet minigame in Duck Hunt.

>>10694835
ggs
some of those underplayed tracks were nice

>>10695102
I'd really like to just peruse through lots of old wads and mods via streaming and review them this year. Just need that new PC.

>>10694962
lmao

>>10695032
None.

>>10693449
I enjoy the accuracy of the single shotty in spite of the SSG's power, so no

>>10690710
How you guys feel about m90 from halo? Cool reload animation?

I thought was interesting than the bog standard under the shell inserting.
What’s your fav shotty reload?

>>10695374
I like the one in Doom 3 where you reload two shells at a time. I also hate the shotgun in Doom 3.

>>10695032
the sims

>>10695393
Duality of doom 3

>>10695393
>I like the one in Doom 3 where you reload two shells at a time
Same.
>I also hate the shotgun in Doom 3.
Also same.

>>10695374
Thinking making a m90 reloadin, Spas 12 Doom style sawed off grip.

FPS shotgun trifecta.

>>10695431
If you do it with double magazines and double barrels, you could fire two single shots before pumping, or one double shot before pumping, and you could make the shotgun hold lots of shells before reloading. A magazine length for six shells means twelve.

To complete the theme of doubles, you make the player load two shells at a time.

>>10695374
It has a cool reload animation, but I always skip it. Backpack reloading means that you never have to see those animations.

>>10695505
I don't remember being able to backpack reload the shotgun. Backpack reloading is kino though and I wish it was in more games

>>10695496
i was gonna be single & semi auto only. It has a mode where you put robotic pants on it and it walks around like a mini gun raptor ( last night had break through with the logistics & autistic lore )

When I gather resources, I’ll see if I can make a double too.

>>10695509
You can, just double tap reload & switch.

>>10695141
You're a stronger man than I am. I keep on starting over my maps because I can't fully visualize the ideas I have in mind.

>>10695524
I’m gonna say it Plasma pistol >>>> M6D magnum.

>>10695509
>Backpack reloading is kino though and I wish it was in more games
I always hated it. But glad for u

>>10695535
I disagree, because they're weapons that can't really be compared. One is a mini sniper while the other is a semi auto gun you fire as fast as possible.

>>10695509
I feel the act of reloading should be detailed and satisfying. If a game has backpack reloads, then it should probably just skip reloading as a whole.
That being said, backpack recharging/cooling is fine, and in fact it's really fucking annoying when a weapon that should passively recharge/cooldown doesn't. I've seen a few Doom mods guilty of this shit.

>>10695546
I don’t mind if a mod that has an upgrade where holding a weapon in “backpack” auto reloads it after a while.

>>10695546
>If a game has backpack reloads, then it should probably just skip reloading as a whole.
It still puts a limit on how much you can use a weapon at once, but without taking away your ability to fight during that period and does not force you into having all energy weapons.

>>10695561

>>10695537 here
I get the appeal, but I feel like it should be built into the gameplay/telegraphed better. Otherwise I feels like an exploit. That might be part of the charm, but it just feels like a bug to me.
Not that I'm above taking advantage of bugs, but if it's purposefully used a gameplay feature with no raison d'être it feels lazy, memey, or hacky.

>>10695565
I agree if it's an intended feature, but it was not for Halo. It's just what the game is.
But because it's something that is done off-screen by nature, it's probably best communicated through a tooltip or character upgrade.

>>10695565
>>10695509

Apex has it, if you put a gold mag, it can make or break a fight. I think for Shotgun you gotta slide it auto reload a shell.

>>10695630
Ion Fury has it.

>>10695374
Only really I like halo shotty reload is because it mimics 1887’s top loading.

I’m sure it was for visual flair or lore reason Spartan hands fumbling shells in but 1887 is the bees knees.


Doomguy should have 1887

So, first ever playthrough of Deus Ex – go vanilla, or are there some minor enhancements I should be aware of?

>>10695731
Just vanilla is fine
Don't do the GMDX mod first time, it's practically a different game

>>10695739
Thanks. Yeah, I’m completely ignoring all the large mods that alter the game, I was just wondering if this game would objectively benefit from any minor UI/perfromance/resolution tweaks like many other games of its age.

>>10695751
There is a thing. A patched exe thing that does things that make it a better thing. Starts with a K or something.

>>10694835
Fug meant to join but fell asleep

>>10695771
Thanks! Found something called Kentie – I guess that’s it.

I finished doom1/2 without pistol start every map, did i do it wrong or its speed troons saying its the way it should be played

>>10695852
>did i do it wrong
but did you have fun? did you have the feeling of achievement?

>>10695852
If pistol starting was the way it was meant to be played, it would've been enforced. The maps were designed to be beatable from pistol start but that doesn't mean continuous play wasn't accounted for at all. Designing for pistol start was just more convenient for testing and avoided shitty design where you could get fucked over if you died late in the game and forgot to save.

>>10695852
The way Doom is "supposed" to be played is that you pistol-restart a level when you die, but otherwise play continuous.
Such concerns have also been irrelevant since the first gameplay mods were invented.

>>10695852
It's fine, you're better off not getting caught up in other people's weird obsessions over how other people play it.

Maps were designed to be able to be pistol started because they weren't done in any order and needed to be able to be tested, which isn't the same thing as that being the intended way to play.

Just play it how you want.

I don't think pistol start is even particularly harder than continuous play
Hell, it lets you play fast and loose with your health as well since it's going back to 100% when you finish the map

>>10695874
>Such concerns have also been irrelevant since the first gameplay mods were invented.
Doubly so when the people getting preachy about that stuff are usually playing in a source port that changes shit about like tall actors.

Hey, does anyone know if any of the Doom map generators has support for generating an outdoors city map? It doesn't have to be detailed or very playable, just a bunch of streets and block buildings of different heights and sizes is okay.

>>10695896
Obsidian is the most advanced Doom map generator but I do not remember if it's capable of doing what you're asking for there. Try it out.

God damnit am I the only shitter on the planet who struggles with dodging Mancubus shots?

>>10695902
>>10695896
I think there's a street setting under somewhere, probably max that out and max out outdoors to get something like a city map.

>>10695902
Thanks anon, I'll try it out.

>>10695905
Just remember Mancs always fire in this pattern, the O is the fat fuck:

O
| \

O
/ |

O
/ \

>>10695905
Is plural mancubus mancubi?

>>10695914
Mancupodes

>>10695914
Mancubisexuals.

>>10695914
Fat Fucks

>>10695874
>pistol-restart a level when you di
did the OG doom not have save?

>>10695968
It does, but if you die and continue without loading it pistol starts you

>>10695561
I can totally see a “backpack charging station” for an energy weapon. That or it overheats and you can use other weapons while you wait for it to cool down.
>>10695565
I’m a fan of being able to end the animation right when the mag is entered. Backpack reloads can be fun, but I don’t like them as much as I love staged reloads.

man the transition from doom1/2 to doom 2016 is rough, suddenly maps are very vertical, you can jump and have to actually aim in all axis which i lost the ability after playing with only horizontal aim for so long, the check point system imo is better than save scumming but also frustrating cause i decided to go higher difficulty which seems to be over my skill level for now, having to melee every demon for ammo and hp is annoying and seems to be crucial but often leads to me getting hit after combo.

>>10696115
The maps are good but the mechanics are bloated for the sake of variety.
The designers wanted the player to vary their weapon use but it comes at the price of freedom of choice(Eternal is worse in that regard).
A huge chunk of the fanbase love the classics because of their straightforward and versatile mechanics and that simply doesn't transfer very well in a twitch stream because watching someone using his favorite 2 weapons 80% of the time gets redundant for the viewer...

>>10696115
2016 is kinda mid and gets spammy, to me it felt like Episode 3 but modern. Eternal is better though plays more like Quake Dota

>>10696184
>Eternal is worse in that regard
Eternal is actually better in that regard because there's more combos you can do, because the playstyle is measured in them rather than individual weapons, it's just that this is unorthodox in FPS (until it and Ultrakill popularized it). Its just hard to notice if you're not in the top 10% of players who actually analyze it because all you'd see is
>random weapon switch
>shoot

>open quake
>press space
>HUUH
>that's the stuff
>close the game
got my fix for today.

>>10696362
I still remember my utter disappointment after seeing how low quakequy could jump after playing blood

>>10696337
Nah. From the get go i tried to play it like i played 2016 and it just punished me endlessly for it.
It's the epitome of "i don't want you to play my game the way you want to" game design.

>>10696440
Thats because youre equating all combos together.
Comboing over boomer shooting is the first "skill floor", but different players do different combinations of weapons/abilities regularly, and is far more varied between person to person than the classic is; think of it like DMC

>>10696461
I'm not interested in this type of game dedign.

What's the point of freedoom? Bethesda isn't going to send a swat team to your house if you download doom.wad

>>10696524
Bro it's been explained to death in these threads.

>>10696535
I haven't seen an explanation, but there's that one autist that spergs about the gib sound when someone brings up freedoom

>>10696524
now i'm wonder what FreeQuake, FreeDuke and FreeBlood would have looked like

>>10696524
it's useful in cases where you want to do doom related stuff but can't use doom.wad for whatever reasons, usually legal. for example if you're writing a paper on doom and want to make figures without relying on proprietary textures. or if you're making a total conversion but want a handy base of textures to build off of. or just to get online dooming without having to faff around with other IWADs when your distribution already downloads freedoom for you. this is the case with Woof! on Debian, which Just Works with freedoom

>>10696563
LibreQuake is a thing, but how the hell would you make a FreeDuke (esp. the voice lines) ?

>>10696587
>LibreQuake
oh true
>but how the hell would you make a FreeDuke (esp. the voice lines) ?
i imagine a brit knock-off
i imagine a brit version like

>>10696575
It's also GPL so you can do whatever you want with it, including selling it as part of a product, which is what a few commercial phone ports do.

Also it just exists because it can exist.

>>10696563
There's Blasphemer for Heretic and Zauberer for Hexen.

There was going to be one for Strife but IDK if it ever got off the ground.

>>10696524
also since a lot of content in doom is based on freely available resources, I think a lot more could be even closer to doom and still remain freely licensed. like the various gargoyle textures. just photograph the real thing yourself and import. same goes for a lot of the weapons. you could take the same toys and digitize them. so far no one's used their hairy arms as a replacement for Kevin Cloud's hairy arms, but it should be possible to do
>>10696607
it's BSD actually. but yeah you can do pretty much whatever you want with it so long as you include that license text

The People's Doom is also kind of around but even less known than FreeDoom.
http://www.doomlegends.com/tpd/nfmain.html

Do your job
>>10696569

>>10696631
and ignore it? Already on it

>>10696631
Fucking jannies

ROTT is fucking garbage stop comparing it to Chad Life

Doom 2 wad "/Vertex Relocation/"
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
Maps for Doom 2 using the original placement of monsters
Alpha v2: https://files.catbox.moe/ye1o0i.wad
https://pastebin.com/CrVTqGvr

DEADLINE: TOMORROW
Surely the people who claimed maps 4, 8, 13, 17, 21 and 24 will have something to show by then :)

>>10696621
it looks.. interesting with freedoom as its IWAD
>the rocket launcher makes a fart sound
lol
>>10696712
might be hard to squeeze in. the time is kinda short if we want to replace all maps (which be cool desu)

>>10696712
Probably would be worth it to have several phases once in a while. It's a niche project so we'll all die of old age before we have all 30 maps, but it would make sense to keep going.

>>10696736
It'd probably be adaptable to the other iwads too.

>>10696736
I agree with this. Use umapinfo to skip over the unused map slots.

>>10696727
>>10696736
Yeah I'm planning on releasing it in waves since there doesn't seem to be enough interest in it at the moment. I just find it odd that so many people claimed maps and then disappeared.

>>10696753
This is known to happen, people claim, can't do it, think they might be able to do it, forget.

>>10696753
I'm still fiddling with MAP08, but I probably don't want to release something that I feel isn't finished
I might upload it so as to get some feedback though, and if there's a second phase to the project later this year then hopefully I'll have the remaining parts of it more fleshed out
I also made MAP07 so I already made the deadline so to say. and the main gimmick that I'm doing for MAP08 could likely be adapted for some other map

>>10696904
If you have something to show and depending on how long it will take to finish, i dont mind giving you some more time

>>10696935
some feedback can't hurt. it's mainly the red room that's nowhere near finished. I also have some thoughts on the area before the drop to the room with cyberdemons and hell barons. also the idea with the cyberdemon room is that it's "reversed" from the original. also it's much harder if you can't figure out the secret(s) related to it
the main gimmick is of course the secret area in the south. the accompanying paper is about 75% done
https://files.catbox.moe/xrz4yj.wad

>>10691161
Post screenshot
unless if you use an optimized (but outdated) builder XD

>>10693818
>as a kid
This is some interesting childhood you had.

I think I have to give up on sunlust at map 24, it's just a brick wall of difficulty now

What IS this? Quake for ants? How are Rangers supposed to frag when they can't even fit in the map!

>>10696712
>24
I've still only got half a map. I've posted a progress screenshot, but I won't be finished by tomorrow due to life attacking.
>tfw haven't made a single community project deadline in 5 months

>>10696440
Sounds like you just suck.

>>10697152
>walked over and destroyed them all before I had a chance to take a screen
oops

>>10690715
>>10696712
MAP17 and MAP21 for /vertex relocation/ : https://doomshack.org/uploads/felineSQUIREfooFIGHTERSv1.zip

>MAP17
Title : Feline Squire
Music : "Take All (I Have More)" by Mark Klem, from Requiem
Author : joe-ilya

>MAP21
Title : Foo Fighters
Music : Generator - Foo Fighters
Authors : joe-ilya and MajaMystic256

>>10696712
>Surely the people who claimed maps 4, 8, 13, 17, 21 and 24 will have something to show by then :)
I have a fair bit done of map13, but we'll see if I get it done tomorrow. Can't show you anything ATM because I'm phone posting. Most of the layout is done and most of that is detailed. Functionality for doors traps and paths is started.
The deadline crept up on me tho.

>>10696712
when where you thinking of doing a phase 2 if we go that route? summer?

Wolf 3d is mid
Halo is mid
ROTT is mid
Cope schizo

>hl schizo calls it pure decline in the deleted thread
What's about codex tards that seethe over this game/series?

>>10696563
The way the Build Engine is licensed I don't know if you could make a FreeDuke or Blood.

>>10696712
map13
wanted to keep the city aesthetics.
i might've picked a bad level to try and keep the enemies in the same position, but it's aight.

COD 1 is good

>>10692904
I have felt the same pain since the moment I first glimpsed that shitty daz/poser bitch.

>>10697568
They should have kept in the health packs in 2- 3, 4, and maybe WaW.

>>10697619
3 was bad no matter what

Literally just stack sectors and make a vertical gradient
And your map will be seen as God tier
Add some 3D depth like pillars that just block vision but you cant see behind

I'm pretty new to mapping. My #1 issue right now is coming up with ideas to get started with. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to overcome that? Any other misc mapping tips you'd like to share are more than welcome as well.

>>10697671
surprise the player
make the surprises engaging
thats the crux of good maps in all games
make things start out gimmicky, then smooth the gimmickyness out until its "real gameplay"
https://streamable.com/c2z5kb

>>10697671
I pass this onto as many people as I can, but the cool tip I learned from a friend is this:
While you playtest your map, take note of places where you die, afterwards, go back into the editor and drop some supplies there, like a stimpack and some shells, along with a marine corpse. This is a big brain play seeing as it adds more details into your map along with providing goodies for the player if they need it

>>10697683
>along with a marine corpse
a cool detail

>>10696712
nepu nepu nepu
been busy with IRL stuff and ADHD is a massive pain in the ass when mapping so I've not made much progress
I will post a fully playable, if unpolished both visually and gameplay-wise, version of MAP04 sometime tomorrow

>>10696712
>>10697712
oh, also, before I forget
I know we aren't allowed to change the skill flags, does that include the Pinky on MAP04 that has no difficulty flags set and thus will never appear?

>>10697679
I'll have to copy this gimmick sometime. I love finding new ways for Archviles to be a threat.

>>10694532
>without SSG d2 would be an absolute chore to play through.

You'd just be encouraged to use the plasma rifle more.

I think the SG is slightly underpowered and the SSG is significantly overpowered. Part of the problem is that doom's damage formula doesn't allow for fine control of damage output because the RNG spread is so broad.

>>10696712
are we allowed to change the multiplayer flag?

>>10690914
>The two kids are waiting for the infighting to stop.

>>10697671
>My #1 issue right now is coming up with ideas

You don't need an idea.
Make three rooms, any shape, any height, any distance apart. Interconnect them so that there are at least two ways to go in any room.

As soon as you've done this, run around in your level for a bit. Ideas will present themselves immediately.

>>10690710
Quake, Quake 2, Duke 3D, Blood, or Shadow Warrior but they get colorful mods a la colorful hell or ashes 2063.
>TFW no colorful Duke, Quake or Colorful Blood especially.

>>10690710
I've been out of the loop for a while - is there a consensus on the best source port? ZDoom vs GZDoom? Or something else?
Visually I don't mind enhancements as long as the artstyle is intact

>>10697873
and also Champions and Corruption Cards

>>10697887
>is there a consensus on the best source port?
No and there never will be.
>ZDoom vs GZDoom?
ZDoom is no longer being developed.
>Visually I don't mind enhancements as long as the artstyle is intact
GZDoom has retarded default settings, but can be configured to better resemble Doom.
Outside of GZDoom-specific gameplay mods, I've been using Nugget Doom lately.

>>10697887
>>10697887
No, its pretty much what you need from a port rather then what a port can do nowadays

Do you want classic, unaltered gameplay but don't need boom compat? Chocolate Doom or one of its derivatives will suit you, need Boom? DSDA or PrBoom, Play alot of gameplay Mods? GZDoom, there are a lot of options out there

>>10697887
Use GZDoom. ZDoom hasn't been supported in a decade.

>>10697887
Depends on what you're after out of a port, there's stuff like Woof and DSDA's own port that are basically extensions of MBF and PrBoom, ZDoom's been discontinued for ages, GZDoom's all over the place, Eternity still isn't done, Zandronum is slow to get updates.

>>10696563
>FreeBlood
Would it feature freebleeding?

Looking for a Wolf3D conversion to GZDoom that I can't remember, I know about Wolfendoom but the one I'm thinking of was more authentic (IE: walls and floors were solid colors, pushwalls were actually pushwalls)

Looking for a Wolf3D conversion to GZDoom that I can't remember, I know about Wolfendoom but the one I'm thinking of was more authentic (IE: ceilings and floors were solid colors, pushwalls were actually pushwalls)

>>10696753
I've adopted a new cat, otherwise I'd have made a submission

got this prboom retroarch web thing working pretty well, but it lacks mouse controls. might just be retroarch-web that does.
better compatibility and performance than running a web java dosbox though. And you can full screen it completely.

>>10698216
https://www.afadoomer.com/wolf3d/downloads.html

today i played eviternity for the first time and realized i will never get this feeling ever again in my entire life

How do you cycle through multiplayer maps automatically with Quakespasm? I wanted to co-op a bunch of individual maps with friends and have a new map start whenever we finish a level.

>>10698562
The next map in the sequence should start automatically. Failing that, I thiiiiiiiink you can use a text file named something specific and put all the map names you want in a sequence from top to bottom. That might only be a Half-Life thing.

>>10698498
Operation Biowar is cool.

Lost Civilization is kind of annoying for how little health/ammo it gives you vs. how many hitscanners it throws at you.

cum

>>10698776
Whatever happened to Chex? I don't see it in supermarkets.

>>10698779
He played on nightmare and died. It was very tragic.

>>10698781
Hah what a noob