/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10413464
https://archive.org/details/shadow-warrior-mapping-kit

/Vertex Relocation/
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10592017


=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
AD MORTEM FINAL CUT (v1.5.6)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3exnqm8nxg4gukhj10hcp?rlkey=r5nwzu32pfh2dtefpbjy2p49b
Ad Mortem Guns (DECORATE): https://files.catbox.moe/ihv4l4.zip

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/9941720

=== NEWS ===
[2-6]Doom 64 CE release (3.9.0)
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10664312/#10670816

[2-6]Quake Remix Jam released
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/remix-jam.315/

[2-4]DBP64: The Vast Silence released
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3489/silence

[2-4]https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2remaster/releases/tag/8.31RR4
Yamagi quake 2 remaster alpha build is out, Md5 support in early stages included.


[2-4]https://github.com/fabiolimamp/alkaline/releases/tag/1.2.2
New devkit for Quake Alkaline mod

[2-4][YouTube] Feb 1, 2024 id Software's 33rd Anniversary Stream (embed)
33rd anniversary stream with Romero, Hall, and Carmack.

[1-25]Surreal Engine a "general source port" of OG Unreal engine was discovered by Anon
https://github.com/dpjudas/SurrealEngine

[1-25]The md5 model of the Guardian Boss is out for Quake 2 Remastered, making all monsters finally HD.
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/md5-model-guardian-for-quake-2-remastered

[1-25]The SW mapping kit had been updated with a tutorial video, Build Engine Boot Camp.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10629380/#10633519

[1-23]Seaside Sanctuary for /vertex relocation/ project
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10617587/#10627127

[1-23]Trenchbroom 2024.1 rc1 is out
https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2024.1-RC1


=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

Is /vr/ and /doom/ mostly an Amerilard board and thread? Seems pretty dead during Euro hours

>>10676862

>>10676867
Okay, where?

>>10676862
It's morning in most of Europe and it's a weekday.

>>10676869
Majestic 12

>>10676872
Maybe you should join Majestic 12, in a body bag.

>>10676881
Savage.

>>10676884
UNATCO?

>>10676887
Savage

>>10676884
>>10676887
>>10676895
Quit screwing around.

>>10676898
I forgot how the rest goes :(

>>10676905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUfZZbrXVAw

>>10676906
Ty

>>10676783
It's not exactly unreasonable for the 94 Protons mappers to be frustrated with him, they've been done for years now and it's not seemed like it's gotten any closer to release.

>>10676943
I won't argue that. I just get tired of seeing people get to a level of vitriol I see reserved for e-celebs primarily.

>>10676946
That's usually what happens when you get a project lead that everybody feel let down by.

Even around here people are pretty understanding about delays, like with the dude who has been in car accident, but with Chop it doesn't seem like there is a reason other than that he's lost interest.

>>10676943
As a 94 Protons mapper, enough time has passed by now that I don't really care when it releases. I've been in a similar predicament with my own project.

any way to use AD MORTEM guns but retaining the palette of the original wad?
i was trying to play the latest DBP with the guns and noticed that the maps looked weird, then i realised that the guns were changing the whole palette.
thanks

>>10677036
Open in slade, convert everything to a truecolour png, delete the playpal.

>>10677036
Open the wad in Slade and delete everything but the gun sprites and DEHACKED lump.

>>10676716
>Anon... That reply chain is about the final boss, not the black cyberdemon
It literally is though.

>>10677042
>>10677040
thanks anons, i will try later in the afternoon.
cheers

since i'm asking: any other vanilla reskins worth? i like to play with final doomer sometimes but the guns are strong; ad mortem or classic doom are my first choices. do you know of any others?

>>10677057
Ad Mortem guns standalone? Where?

>>10676827
>MY NIPPLES LOOK LIKE MILK DUDS

>>10676862
Euro here, don't call my American /vr/ frens "Amerilards" >:(

>>10677250
grow thicker skin eurocuck

>>10677052
He intended the final boss to be based on like the D64 For D2 Motherdemon, but instead of hover it was gonna have a large serpent body grafted onto it. Would be interesting to see, but I think he realized that shit would be an insane amount of work, and settled for something much simpler. Nice enough sprites and levels, but boy has a poor sense of time and struggles to gauge his exact capabilities.

>>10677264
I don't see why this is relevant when the topic was about taking weeks to make the black cyberdemon, which is what the desuarchive link shows. Final boss or not, it still took an unreasonable amount of time to make something that already exists on Realm667.

>>10676827
So, it turns out Q2R came with a missing light and shadows shader feature on which the game now needs a update to implement it back, but it now depends on id's good graces for another update
Paril added it back on the Q2PRO fork of Q2R but pixel per lightning need to be turned off to work
https://streamable.com/2erij3

check the hands for what i meant

>>10677061
Ad Mortem thread on trannyworld, last page
>>10677264
Yeah, terrible feature creep, and totally useless for a doom wad, most wads don't really need custom monsters, let alone elaborate boss setups - Ad Mortem ones work good because they fill in between D2 monsters, so you can really spice up variety in your encounters with them. 94P really could be released now - we don't have to have every single weapon replaced, and we don't need a complicated boss - many wads don't have either, so a simple push to fix eventual bugs in maps could be enough
>Nice enough sprites and levels, but boy has a poor sense of time and struggles to gauge his exact capabilities.
Honestly I miss his levels a bit, 2048 ones were pretty sweet but he hasn't really released any levels since then.
His sprites are great too (I know it's frankenspriting) - look at how terrible freedoom sprites are and how they lack oomph, and then look at 2048/AM SSG and machine guns from both of those. Together with the sounds they feel as satisfying to use as vanilla ones, if not more satisfying in case of the ssg

>>10677036
The latest DBP just reminds me Doom 64 needs its colored lighting, it's a shame they didn't try to emulate it.

>>10676862
It's just a slowish general. I think there are people from a bunch of places like Euroland, Amerigo, Canadan, Southern Amerigo. No idea if we have any Asiagos. Some Australiums maybe too?

What the current go to source port for DOOM, been using prboom but I think it's time to for an upgrade.

>>10677396
DSDA-Doom is what you're supposed to switch to if you're a PrBoom user

>>10677396
gzdoom

>>10677396
Nugget

>>10677338
It might look more D64-like with the D64-ifier core on GZDoom.

>>10677406
I'll check it out I do remember there was some hoopla around here about it but maybe that was another source port.
>>10677408
Jokes aside I do keep GZDoom on hand since so many maps require it but I prefer my Doom to be more then Crispy but less then Z.
>>10677410
Never heard of this one.

Anyone know how I can get this plant from Quake Brutalist Jam into my own map? I think it comes in a .mdl file, no idea how to put it into Trenchbroom

2 plus 2 is 4 minus 1 that's 3
quick maths!

>>10677432
this webm is too smooth it's messing with my mind please remove it

>>10677396
Woof

>>10677432
what is this drunk ass bullshit?

>>10677452
descent movement and projecting ever single linedef to the screen with zscript

Alright, what would you change about Copper to make it better or more fun?
Hard mode: Don't touch the SNG

>>10677428
Nugget is basically a mix of Woof and Crispy Doom, you should try it

>>10677396
DSDA is the gold standard in my book, especially as a high FOV + freelook player

>>10677432
>was thinking of either trying some old Mechwarrior or Descent this weekend for some steely shooting
Now I know which. Are you just testing stuff out or prepping for something bigger?
>>10677465
It seems to be in an okay spot now after the newest skill 3 changes. I need to go against more of its death knights and shamblers before I come to a conclusion on their changes.

>>10677396
dsda if you are a retard.
gzdoom is the superior choice in any other case. vanilla nerd? 99% compatible. mods nerd? 99% compatible. coder/programmer retard? 99% compatible. speedrun idiot/sheep? dsda.

>>10677432
Descent looking ass
I like it

>>10677429
I wonder too. Does Quake have some entity for models, like some env_model? Or maybe compiler can turn some func_wall into a model?

>>10677649
that is one adorable spider

>>10677429
Find it in progs, move it to the progs of the mod you're using, and load it with misc_model or whatever equivalent your mod has. That could very well be a brush model in the map though, but it's hard to tell from the screenshot.
>>10677649
>Does Quake have some entity for models
Not in vanilla, but most mods have a basic static model entity. Some can play animations or make them move around also.
Frankly, I really wish Quake 1 ports would adopt the Quake 3 map format so you can have models with lightmaps baked into the map, but I doubt that will ever happen at this rate.

New pattern, what do you think?

>>10677396
Nugget
It's basically Woof+, which itself is Crispy+MBF

>>10677885
I think you should turn that into a texture

>>10677885
I think you should go map for a 3D game because you clearly want to.

>>10677953
like? Blender is too slow compared to Doombuilder

>>10677973
Like Quake or Half Life.
I wouldn't call Blender a 'game', anon.

>>10677986
>I wouldn't call Blender a 'game',
filtered by donut

>>10677885
>>10677973
Keep doing what you're doing, I like Doom maps with complex details and your stuff is looking top notch.

>>10678001
>filtered by donut
Nah, more like filtered by making female basemesh from scratch because PP get hard.

>It even has a New Game+ of sorts with an OP assault rifle and having the wings from the start
Holy shit Enyo was good. I'd happily play more if they released any.
Not sure what the fuck this guy was though. I thought he'd be a boss but he's just window dressing.
Also, the final fight was a reskinned Cthon which was a bit shit.

>>10678070
>Also, the final fight was a reskinned Cthon which was a bit shit.
Welcome to the current state of Quake modding - where nobody knows how to make new bosses, and are too lazy to import existing ones like Armagon, the Dragon, Vermis, or the Gug.
We're doomed to Cthon fights till the end of time.

>>10678102
Yeah, I've played my fair share of Quake mods to know how overused Cthon is. But I was happy enough even knowing it was a reskinned Alkaline/Rubicon and assumed they'd at least use Armagon. You wouldn't even need to change him much considering the setting.

>>10678070
I was worried it was focusing too much on style over substance until I played Mazu’s map. I hope they grab him again if they do an episode 2.

>>10678156
>Mazu
I thought the quality dropped and it got spammy near the end. That explains it.
That said, it's probably his best work so far because it wasn't an hour long slog with a billion secrets.

>>10677462
they didn't think about if they should only if they could?

>>10676959
Chop-chop, Chop!

>>10678257
He hasn't been responding for the past 3 threads. He's either dead or posting progress to a discord who-fucking-knows where.

Why was John Carmack against having secrets, stories, teleporters, and flying monsters? Without Tom id software's games would have been boring.

>>10678298
Autism.
Either too autistic to figure out how to make those things fun, or too autistic to find them fun.

looks like food

>>10677465
Make the SNG accurate again.

>>10678298
>>10678313
He relented on all of those, accepting that they were needed.

>>10677743
It's from some mod.

>>10677465
>Less nailgun fuckery
>Make it that the community fellates it 50% less because fuck me almost every release uses it and the hype around it feels artificial as fuck.
That's it. I don't particularly care either way for Copper. I don't think it does enough to stand out and my only real issue is actually with the current community made up of weirdos who forced their way in and thinks the original community needs to be buried and forgotten simply because they weren't part of their weird friendship group.

>>10678491
I’d be fine with a cvar.
>>10678620
>>Make it that the community fellates it 50% less because fuck me almost every release uses it and the hype around it feels artificial as fuck.
Focus on some genuine mod concerns, maybe?

>>10678637
>Focus on some genuine mod concerns, maybe?
I just said I think it's bland as a mod and doesn't do enough to stand out for all the weird hype around it.
What more did you want?
Are you that guy from last thread who was arguing with those anons who was overly defensive over a mod they supposedly have nothing to do with?

>>10678637
nta, but it IS a genuine concern in the Quake community and you can astroturf it all you want but people are noticing the obvious.

>>10678298
Some he deemed unnecessary, though I'm pretty sure it's said somewhere that he thought the flying monsters were too much effort for the result.

>>10678637
Imagine if like 80% of all maps made for Doom would be built around Brutal Doom all of a sudden.

>>10676862
Most euros are ranting about America on /v/, /int/, /pol/, and /ck/.

>>10678648
>What more did you want?
Holy fuck expand on the nailgun fuckery
>>10678749
>80% of Quake maps suddenly being built around Quake 1.5
True eldritch horror

>>10676827
I can strafe jump and circle jump in Q2 and Q3 easily, but I cant for the life of me do it in Q1

What the fuck am I doing wrong? What's fundamentally different?

Show me wads and mods where people put their faces in for seemingly no reason.

>>10678796
>Quake 1.5
I'd take it over Copper at this point honestly.

>>10678797
The fundamental difference is that there is no strafe jumping

>>10678854
i cant make large jumps or increase my speed as I jump :(

If you haven't paid for DOOM, you are playing illegally.

>>10678797
>>10678858
Stop holding forward once you're airborne, gain speed with Quake 1's insane air control instead.

>>10678861
I'm punk rock...
Personified.

>>10678861
Nuh uh
I had it on PS1 and XBLA so i'm entitled to it

is Doom 1993 a better game than quake 1?

>>10678909
pemis

>>10678909
No, but Doom 2 is.

>>10678919
You wasted your time hovering over this. :)

>>10678898
Damn that's such a hard habit to break

>>10678861
I'm still using the wads from the copies I bought in the 90s apart from Chex Quest since that shit wasn't ever sold here.

>>10678835
Ahh, the first and only simp wad in doom history

>>10678851
1.5 feels less like "Quake" and I can't use my port of choice, and I'd have to use Darkplaces. I'm not that whipped.

how feasible is it to make a game with geometry entirely made out of voxels in the Doom or Quake engine?
I know certain Build games did it like Blood, but that was usually for small objects or pick-ups
been experimenting with voxels recently and I'd wanna try it out, it's just that voxels are quite performance heavy in other engines like Unity

>>10679005
I don't think either game has a port with proper (i.e. not converted to models) voxel support, let alone having proper colission for them.

>>10679005
http://advsys.net/ken/voxlap.htm
Ken Silverman (Build guy) made a voxel engine too.
https://voxelstein3d.sourceforge.net/
Some guy made a fun Wolfenstein level with it.

>>10676827
has anyone else attempted to replicate the grabber/gravity gun in Doom? Seen a few with portals.

>>10679050
The guy working on System Shock Doom made a grabber gun that works as you'd expect.

>>10677396
Nugget for vanilla gameplay; GZDoom for gameplay mods.

>>10679051
oh wow, got an error but its a start, thanks
Now just gotta find way to replicate digital threat from titanfall 2

>>10677432
Virtual Boy Doom

>>10678785
>hexen archvile
no

>>10678861
I am the demons.

>>10679069
I actually don't recall if the 64kb version of the Doom Shock mod has a grabber gun. I only know that the cool fancy updated one he's working on has it.

>>10679082
maybe i can make the gun's ADS ability repel projectiles.

>>10678835
>>10678987

>>10678835
>>10679127

Anyone remember WTF.wad? the jugallo and RAN RAN RU ronald Mcdonald cyber demon?
I remember had old school meme of a nerd saying "taste my sour cum" and slam pig or skinny crack whore.

just played a bit of Return to Castle Wolfenstein
why does everyone suck this game off? after setting up iortcw and rebinding all the asinine controls, it felt slow, bland, boring, can't see shit because the visuals are way too dark, gunplay is mediocre, just not much going on that's interesting, like playing some gay medal of honor or early CoD
and why the fuck give me two buttons to lean both sides and not let me shoot while doing it?

>>10679154
I think they're still kind of working on it, even.

>>10679235
The multiplayer is what most people remember it for. The campaign is generally considered kinda mid beyond the soundtrack and awesome aesthetics.
Also pic related.

>>10679238
wait theirs a WTF wad redux or something?
ngl that mod made me a juggy back in skulltag days LOL

>>10679276
Yeah, it's on ModDB. Older versions, too.

>>10679292
neat, looks more elaborate weapons than just reskins neat.

The picture captured the era hope that's not lost LOL

>>10679276
>theirs

>>10679235
>gunplay is mediocre
Assuming you're talking about the lack of reaction from enemies to your shooting - at a baseline, it's part of the design of the combat. Once an enemy is wound up and shooting, they won't be stunned. It'd be way too easy of a game otherwise. However, enemy pain chance is also balanced around the difficulty levels where the easiest difficulty level will result in a higher rate of hitstun animations. I'd suggest changing the difficulty to Don't Hurt Me, which you can do mid-playthrough by typing the following two commands into the in-game console.

/g_gameskill 1
/vid_restart

You can make a new save after to lock it in.

>>10677596
>Now I know which. Are you just testing stuff out or prepping for something bigger?
Not anything for a mod based around this stuff, but the underlying math will play a part.
>mechwarrior
>descent
There are some very well done gameplay mods mad about these two things by Lewisk3 btw

it's ya boi markymark with another brutal doom update! you guys still remember BD, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrB2_MmB208

>>10679381
I appreciate how Mark's dev diaries contain so little bullshit. He gets right to the point showing off what he's been working on.
Also getting TypicalSF to make sprites for him was a really good call, that dude makes excellent art.

>>10679381
Also to further add to this, I don't like the weird view shift pitching down when swinging the axe, but the way Cacos tumble through the air when blasted by the SSG is equally adorable and hilarious.

ebin

>>10679381
interesting to see how the turbotryhard amateur modder slowly got more skilled with the years

>>10679381
i wonder what the furry modder reaction to this was lol

>>10679235
I can see it being a disappointment for some people, because like >>10679243 says, you're only getting half of the experience since you never got a chance to play the multiplayer. People like it for that and because the campaign is fast-paced. The same reason people called the campaign average on release (didn't revolutionize the genre like its predecessor) is the same reason why it's considered the last of the old-school shooters now. It harkens back to a time when shooters were made for PC and thus doesn't have any consolized mechanics. You can even strafejump around and it doesn't punish your accuracy or anything.
>why the fuck give me two buttons to lean both sides and not let me shoot
You can actually lean without the enemies seeing you, so that's it's purpose. Kinda weird, but it works for the game and how it wants you to keep moving, not just leaning around corners during combat.

>>10679381
Rolling cacos are pure distilled kino. BD status: redeemed.

>>10679235
For the dark visuals in iortcw, try lowering the quality to the Normal preset.

>>10679381
This actually seems like a massive improvement over whatever Brutal Doom became and that is some excellent sprite work, a shame about all the iron sights.

>>10679381
Looks pretty great.

>>10679381
I need that rolling cacodemon turned into a gif.

>>10679381
server is up "brutal doom v2 test 3 launch party" on zandronum

>>10679381
I lived to see the day where /vr/ had a positive outlook on a Brutal Doom update.

>>10679642
+1

>>10679726
It's happened before, a lot of people are bored of the hating it for existing bandwagon and the few who want to keep that going are mostly embittered mod devs on zdoom.

>>10679796
There's still some balance things I don't totally agree with, but I respect Mark for sticking with Zandronum this whole time.

>>10679796
I never hated it, but I do see why other modders hated the fanbase.

>>10679696
son of a bitch my net connection's shitting the bed as usual
got in for a few maps but couldn't land a cacoroll

>>10679840
they changed to the horde maps like 5 minutes ago, they are laggy as hell

>>10679843
got it fixed and landed one on that last map
also
>revenant gets blown in half, still comes at you walking on his hands while the legs wander off
>caco gets gibbed, each horn goes flying off in a separate gib
lmao, neat

>>10679726
I still have no desire to play it but everything in the update seems like an improvement so the team deserves credit, the sprite work is really good.

>M-M-Mark stole code from other mods
Ok. Who said people had ownership of fan code. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of Doom
>M-M-Mark use real gore as reference
And people who make violent games don't?
>M-M-Mark is le Neo Nazi
What makes him a Neo Nazi? A bunch of stupid joke post he made? Get the fuck out of here.

>>10679945
We're not doing that anymore.

>>10679235
>why the fuck give me two buttons to lean both sides and not let me shoot while doing it?
Because that's all the gameplay would boil down to instead of having to put yourself out in the open to run n' gun.
I went from being lukewarm to loving the game after I learned how to strafe jump and started to play aggressively.

>>10679420
Is this supposed to be like a teleport closet?

what's a good doom wad for someone that hates family get togethers

>>10680073
Zandronum Invasion

I need list of all good coop retro shooters basically every single one as I have played most already mwahahahaha

>>10680089
If you've already played most I don't think there's anything left for you to uncover.

>>10680089
Go back and play Hideous Destructor. Genuinely some of the best goddamn co-op FPS action I've had.

>>10679381
>cacos spin when you shoot them
lol

>>10679945
Did you just wake up from 10 year coma? Everybody loves Mark these days.

>>10679726
I don't nobody hated the mod itself. Just the newb crowd that insisted that it's "the definite way to play doom" and triggered when some wad was not balanced around the mod.

>>10679381
Whoa, nice. Something has struck me, the video is 7 hours old at the time of writing my post, and it only has 5.5k views. There was a time a decade and more ago where Brutal Doom showcases got 100s of thousands of views. People really do move on, or lose interest, but as much as both things have happened, the guys behind BD have pumped out another version replete with effort. Kegan too, I always admire these people who do things with little fanfare.

>>10677316
>Ad Mortem thread on trannyworld, last page
Thank you anon. I'm not a fan of the semi-over-animated ssg reload but this is cool.

>>10680249
Also I played about 10 minutes and I still think PB is better sorry Mark.

Thanks to all the anons that recommended Nugget, it's pretty great.

>>10680245
I thought people still hated him for that shit.

>>10680297
They do on ZDoom Forums, but that's not a community you want to be in.

>>10680297
The only people who can't move on from things like that are bored/unoccupied.

Is Graven worth playing? The reviews are concerning to say the least.
If not, is there a half decent fantasy RPG TC for either Quake or Doom? I remember hearing about something with Abyss in the name for doom but I can't for the life of me remember the name.

>>10680437
>If not, is there a half decent fantasy RPG TC for either Quake or Doom?
You're sorta better off just buying or tracking down a classic dungeon crawler anon like King's Field or something.

>>10680437
Are you thinking of Abysm: Dawn of Innocence and Abysm 2: Infernal Contract?
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=62970
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=69682

>>10680450
Those are the ones, thank you anon.
>>10680446
I basically just want cool FPS gaemplay with some minimal amount of progression system(that isn't just none), like weapon upgrades or some form of collectible or game-long quest to unlock separate endings or secret levels.

>>10680454
Oh man, Sven Co-op (Half-Life cooperative mod) had this series of maps centered around the players being an RPG party. I don't remember the series name, dang.

project msx is s o cool
whyd it get abandoned

>>10680303
>>10680305
So essentially tranny and that colossal leech MIdnight.

>>10679127
lol
we need a /vr/-/doom/ headquarters map for chilling around in zandronum

>>10680437
>Is Graven worth playing?
As someone that likes a lot of these indie shooters, it really looks underbaked.
If you want an RPG-like DOOM, maybe try something like corruption cards.

>>10680061
Yes, nothing like 160 imps and a good measure of knights in a dark cramped arena with no bfg and little plasma ammo at all. How else would player know he's playing the last third of the wad?

>>10680437
>Is Graven worth playing? The reviews are concerning to say the least.
I didn't plan to pick it up straight away either way, but I think I will eventually on a sale or something. So far GRAVEN strikes me as a "perfect sequel" material: the game has a lot going for it and there're things you may enjoy, but not to a point where it offers something specific. Stubborn project that tries to go in its own weird way and that's not appealing for everyone. It is definitely messy, but something about it keeps me curious. Not only it feels like there's a lot of things missing, but I've one of the devs on Discord server confirm that many things ended up on a cutting room floor. While that does raise the "what the hell dev team was doing all these years" even when you keep layoffs in mind, at the end I would say that publisher's PR/communication team being maliciously incompetent (because, at this point, I have a hard time believing they're not doing this on purpose) was more harmful to its overall perception.
I even remember checking out the demo and reading Steam page and thinking "yeah, it's not exactly an FPS". It's probably closest to Hexen 2 of all things (even that is probably a stretch), but even then laying into "action adventure" since the damn beginning or as soon as the game took on that direction. Also I won't be surprised if people would call it underrated in the future.

>>10680672
>Also I won't be surprised if people would call it underrated in the future.
Whenever this happens people seem to forget a game like that tends to have been heavily patched compared to the month surrounding its release. The way graven is I have big issues with the performance and hit detection/animation making hacking corpses in a head very unsatisfying

>>10679726
/vr/ was the one place that actually criticized BD for its faults and issues
BD is a mess in terms of its history because you had both fans and game journos with dunning krueger syndrom over mods/Doom stuff but also people with dunning krueger syndrom over its drama and author
It's a situation where everyone is in the wrong and it triggers that OCD "centrist" aspect

>>10679726
I always liked Brutal Doom, but just like with myhouse.pk3; the overexposure was irritating.

Cacoroll made me lmao

>>10680747
You also got (and still get) the numerous cliques who couldn't ever get beyond their despising it for being popular despite a lack of skill on Mark's part to keep the back end from not being a mess.

I guess it's a distraction from their own inactivity or something.

Every Doom weapon, not just the shotgun, should have a super version.
>super pistol
>super chaingun
>super rocket launcher
>super plasma rifle
>super BFG9000
>super chainsaw
>super fist

>>10679945
I think the real gore thing was something he announced, but then backtracked on after everyone went "dude wtf"
Using real life gore in videogames is not that common, I can only think of a couple of examples of that.

Anyway, the whole using other people's stuff thing was because he didn't want to credit people for code or assets, he didn't think it was necessary to do, but he obviously changed his mind about that.

>>10680747
True. There's been a lot of issues with the gameplay over the years, but the meme of disliking BD just for the sake of disliking BD usually glosses over that completely (if it's not from a rigid autistic purist perspective where anything that isn't the stock gameplay is evil).

Plenty of people here still enjoy BD or PB.

>>10680826
>super first
That's the berserk pack.
>super chainsaw
DOOM 64's double bladed chainsaw.

I hate all the Brutal Doom addons and fan-made mods such as Project Brutality and such instead. Almost all of them are bloated with useless guns and monster reskins as a means to sideline the fact that they do not offer a unique experience from base Brutal Doom.
>inb4 Johnny Doom
It doesn't really pose itself as an addon for BD as far as I know, and it's the incredibly rare case where the experience is different enough, so it gets a pass, doesn't count or whatever pharse you want to use.

>>10680826
>super pistol
Either a .50 Deagle or if you want, a 500S&W revolver Or even a single shot 50bmg pistol
>super chaingun
Portable GAU-8 Avenger
>super rocket launcher
Hard to say. Maybe portable nuclear launcher?
>super plasma rifle
A plasma rifle that fires mini-bfg balls, like Q3's BFG
>super BFG9000
Impossible. Maybe one of those Russian Overkill BFGs, but this time it will kill every enemy of the map, at once, including the player. Not even the invulnerability sphere can save the player.
>super chainsaw
V8 powered chainsaw
>super fist
There's already one, the berserk pack.
Also, you forgot the super supershotgun. I

>>10679642
>>10679759

>>10680826
For a half-shitpost wad, the Superer Pistol from Valorant is actually a really cool concept.

>>10680880

>>10680826
>super pistol
deagle
>super chaingun
dual barreled lmg (maybe use DRG's autocannon for inspiration)
>super rocket launcher
drunken rocket launcher that fires multiple rockets at once
>super plasma rifle
fires a continuous laser beam that pierces through enemies
>super BFG9000
BFG but full auto

>>10680885
The BFG is already full auto.

>>10680907
FULLER auto

>>10680849
The weird one that always gets repeated in places is the one thinking Mark is responsible for some vanilla sprites that seem traced or based on real photos, some famous.

Mark's definitely not Adrian Carmack.

>>10680826
>>10680885
>>10680907
>>10680913

That's just Dakka, not only does it have a full auto BFG but the chaingun has fuller auto too.

How do I copy paste things between different wad files

>>10680959
Ctrl+C
Ctrl+V

Any idea what's up with "treat Wounds" <None>? I have everything bound that i should.

Duke Nukem is part of the EDF
Serious Sam is also part of the EDF
both travel through time to fight aliens
thus we can safely assume that Duke uses Sam's toothpaste without telling him

>>10680976
It just means that if you don't hold any other buttons, Fire/Altfire will treat wounds. Holding Zoom or Firemode will change the function accordingly, and using Fire or Altfire will determine whether to use that function on yourself or a patient standing in front of you (even if you're playing singleplayer, you can still staple wounded friendly monsters to prevent them from bleeding out).

>>10680959
right-click -> copy
right-click -> paste

>>10680976
what >>10681024 said, and pic related is literally what's in the language.en file that the game reads from for help texts

>>10680826
>super pistol
High rof, very low accuracy machine pistol/uzi
>super chaingun
Higher caliber rotary cannon that needs rev-up time before firing
>super rocket launcher
It shoots more rockets
>super plasma rifle
Basically just lightning gun from Quake
>super BFG9000
The railgun from NuDoom except on crack cocaine, huge cylinderical "blast radius" around the shot's trajectory
>super chainsaw
Non copyright infringing chain sword
>super fist
Really big knoif

>>10681043
>Really big knoif
>play's Crocodile Dundee's "this is knoif" every time you equip it
Now I want that.

>>10679235
I know it's a stupid position to have, but the modern shrieking about Nazis has left me completely bored and non-plussed with fighting Nazis in games. As such I find Wolfenstein boring. At least demons and the spawn/worshipers of Lovecraftian horrors have some level of spice to them.

What am I in for?

>>10681094
bad first hub, but the game picks up after that

>>10679831
The 12 year old locusts were kind of the worst part of it all, but that phenomenon has mostly died down, either from them growing up (at least enough) or moving on to other things.

>>10680921
The Mussolini thing was never true.

>>10680249
Which means the attention for BD has boiled down to its actual attached fanbase, which with numbers around 5000-10000 is one of the best thing a modder can hope for, in my opinion.

>>10680826
I think FD hellboundguy's rifle is the most simple and effective "chaingun that does its job better". Double damage, double ammo consumption without sacrificing accuracy or wasting bullets against hitscanners like metadoom and babel's chainguns, ruins a revenant's day

>>10681094
A Zelda game from when Zelda games plopped you headfirst in a dangerous world with nary a friendly NPC to talk to
The fighter's 3 hit combo clears melee fodder the most effectively so play him first if you don't have a preference

>>10681094
>complete a labyrinth
>"You have solved 1/8th of the puzzle for this hub"

>>10681123
>The 12 year old locusts were kind of the worst part of it all, but that phenomenon has mostly died down, either from them growing up (at least enough) or moving on to other things.
An annoying fanbase ruins everything. It turns something you'd otherwise love into something annoying. Just look at FF7, or a more relevant example to this thread, Copper. hell, I'd argue Copper is the Brutal Doom of Quake.

>>10681135
>Copper
I don't mind it, I just want to know WHY the current community is obsessed with it. What does it do that's so damn good? Because every time I play it it's a barely noticeable re balance patch and that's it. But you've got the readmes for recent jams calling it "the best mod ever". Why? Explain this. It adds nothing. I might as well play the original game unless I'm playing on nightmare or the ring of shadows is involved.

>>10681094
Depends on your ability to pick up context clues and map names for if the first hub is ok or awful.

>>10681094
Good game, don't play as the mage.
If you get stuck the switches on guardian of steel do something in the lower floor. The rest is more straightforward.

>>10681198
The Mage is better than the other classes because his starting weapon is a rail gun which you can get shitloads of mileage out of.

>>10681135
>I'd argue Copper is the Brutal Doom of Quake.
It's in the same vein as people calling Hideous Destructor "the new Brutal Doom" just for feeling too popular or overexposed. BD is otherwise opposite of what that Quake mod does.

>>10681202
It's also the lowest damage weapon in the game, along with the Cleric's mace. His second weapon is almost useless and he has the most trouble killing centaurs because low damage and their invulnerability shields.

>>10681123
>The 12 year old locusts were kind of the worst part of it all
The "make it work with BD" shit got annoying just by volume but I honestly got more sick of the catty bitchiness and double standards on development servers.

A bunch of Discords just about tore their cocks off over BDLite sticking it to Mark, while the same people would lose their fucking minds about edited versions of their mods showing up on moddb with like 20 lifetime downloads.

>>10681217
The piercing lets you hit multiple enemies in a row, so it can be pretty quick, and even from a distance.

>>10681217
This, or a good time you play Baratus instead of trying to plink the game to death.

>>10681217
>he has the most trouble killing centaurs because low damage and their invulnerability shields.
Use your bombs, they bypass invulnerability. The wand is weak but it's the only starting weapon that isn't immediately obsoleted by the second weapon. That's more a matter of Frost Shards being fucking bad though.

>>10681228
>can be pretty quick
Assuming they're all well behaved, you can kill infinite centaurs in the time it takes you to kill one because of the piercing.
The problem is that killing one centaur takes like 8-10 hits (not shots) with one second interval between each because they'll use their shields after every single hit. It's awful. Barabus punch is way faster.
>>10681235
>Use your bombs
>as the mage, the ranged class who has to get close to the enemy in order to plant the bomb
Might as well play another class and whack the centaur over the head instead.

>>10681249
Not like the centaur's doing anything else, it's blocking. You can run up to it and put a bomb in its face. You shouldn't be keeping that much distance anyway since you should have frost shards before you encounter a centaur.

>>10681261
>centaurs are always alone and have no other supporting enemies, ever
>risking getting the frost shards reflected back at your face in order to get the privilege of praying to RNGesus for marginally higher damage than the wand and still doing less damage roughly half the time

>>10681249
That kind of hangs on the Centaurs being a horrible enemy. The shield blocking would be ok on a specialist enemy which you'd face seldom, it's annoying when these common guys always do it.

>>10681273
For Barabus, it's three chops with the axe. Even with their bullshit invulnerability, it's easy and fast enough.

Okay, this was pretty damn good. A damn sight better than most of these jam projects that all feel the same at least. This one was fun, looked cool had some interesting secrets and traps and didn't outstay its welcome. Quake needs more of this kind of map.

>>10681267
>using the wand is slow and boring even on enemies that don't block on pain
>using his burst damage and invuln-bypassing weapons instead to kill centaurs quickly? that would require getting close and i can't do that because i'm using the wand
have you considered that maybe the wand is not as great as you've built it up to be in your head

>>10681276
I just wish the gravity was fucked so you could walk on any surface. It's probably too much for the engine to handle though.

>>10681346
Barabus is still better.

>>10680826
>super plasma rifle
Unmaker?

>>10680826
BFG is already a super super shotgun

>>10681349
I think FTE supports sideways gravity, but nobody supports FTE. : /

Have you all considered that being a well endowed muscular Barbarian chad who punches monsters and don't afraid of anything is actually the best way to play Hexen?
You'll want to consider other classes in Hexen 2 because they're all fun but Hexen 1? Fighter all the way.

>>10681385
incorrect because skill 5 is the best way to play hexen and fighter does not outdps chaos serpents or wendigos there

>>10681385
My based brother of good taste.

Since it's Hexen time, both Wrath of Cronos and Walpurgis are both pretty fucking awesome Hexen-based gameplay mods.

MBF expanded bestiary
why has no one made any good project/map pack for it? it adds some nice new enemies.
i would if i knew how to import them
also, the green pinkie is bugged, when it dies the death animation is pink

>>10680880
Instead of that bite attack, he performs a homing attack to the player

>>10680880
Imagine if he was rolling horizontally and was spraying caco caca everywhere haha

>>10680880
faster

>>10681623

>>10680202
The netcode is a fuck, if zdoom multiplayer wasn't held together with duct tape and Edward's old cum HDest would be way easier to recommend

>>10681656
Cacomari Damacy!

>>10677432
Is this supposed to be Descent in doom?
I like it.

How would one make rifle or some automatic weapon as the workhorse weapon in a wad/mod without the shotgun overshadowing it?
I'm playing two mods at the moment, Doom Abysm 1 and Quake Episode Enyo. I thought they were going to have their rifles be the workhorse but the second you unlock a shotgun it has a far better ammo economy and the way enemies are it's not like you'll never be in range for a good shotgunning.
Is it even possible or would it be too much spray and pray and the ammo drops would have to be too generous for it work?

>>10681828
That's not Descent in Doom, this is Descent in Doom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPMWlRyJ1Fk

>>10681861
Give it an full auto and semi-auto firing mode, have the semi be way more ammo efficient but slower.

>>10681874
Is this a Doom themed Descent 2 mod or a Descent mod for Doom?

>>10681861
Alt fires can help. Being conscious of how ammo efficient these shotguns often are can also be a huge help. For example, that Enyo felt restrained with its shell pickups compared to some other Quake mods I've played.

>>10679381
Even after all this time, Mark really didn't even bother to change the reload bind to the default one.
I was kind of hoping he'd do that by now.

IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN MOTHERFUCKERS: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON!? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!

>>10681861
Increase stun chance for rifle, marginally increase damage and reduce fire rate slightly.
The shotgun is great for stun rolls because multiple pellets rolling for pain chance individually, along with high burst damage, makeing it safe for dispatching enemies provided you're in range (first shot either kills or pains enemy, second shot kills). The chaingun can do that more reliably but at the cost of less common ammo and longer time to kill so give damage to improve time to kill and make ammo more common.
Reducing fire rate, as weird as that might sound, can make a weapon feel more powerful if you increase the damage per shot. The chaingun feels like a peashooter because of the low damage of each individual shot and only shines if you keep firing. By moving that balance over to higher damage slower fire rate you can make each shot feel more impactful, even if you keep the DPS the same.
And finally the main thing: do not fill every single one of the player's holes and cavities with shells, like plenty of wads do.

>>10681927
I've been dragging my feet on this, I'd like to at least get all of the flats done on this in the very near future. Afterwards I'll need to go back and hit it with some shading and contrast shit to make it blend better with the rest of the arsenal.

>>10681927
MAP08 and its accompanying paper is coming along nicely

The Sum Ting /vr/y Wong preview will be released some point tonight or tommorow, it's Nohshar Canals. Meant for DM play but I'm tacking on SP support as well, kinda hard to distribute keys and plan progression. Build GDX lets you play multiplayer along with bot support for solo. Planning on hosting some matches Sunday night, so join if you can :)

>>10680685
>Whenever this happens people seem to forget a game like that tends to have been heavily patched compared to the month surrounding its release.
Most of the times, yeah. Some of it also comes from good old contrarianism. Either way, bottom line is that GRAVEN is a damn flawed mess. Still kind of charming though.
>>10681094
You're in for a very good time. Especially if you went for Parias The Cleric, the best character.
>>10681217
>along with the Cleric's mace.
I'm clearly a physco because I love killing Ettins and Centaurs with it.
>>10681385
>Have you all considered that being a well endowed muscular Barbarian chad who punches monsters and don't afraid of anything is actually the best way to play Hexen?
Nah. Can't compete with the Cleric.

>>10681951
I dislike Parias' mace as it's so basic, but man the rest of his arsenal is pretty sick. The Serpent Staff being a real standout.

>>10681861
Fast fire rare and make it sound good
The AK in Strange Aeons for example, the shotgun still is the workhorse but the AK is just as good

>>10679235
the atmosphere and multiplayer. i like the gameplay too but i see why it's not everyone's cup of tea.
also if you're a pussy try to up the brightness

>>10681951
The mace is fine mechanically and the animations and what not, but needs some extra damage or something.
The wand has shit damage but it's ranged and piercing, the gauntlets are awesome but the mace is just a mace.

>>10681927
>>10676828
Progress on MAP17 for /vertex relocation/

>>10681861
in doom specifically, by having it use SHELLS instead of bullets. Then it can do its job in any map where shells grow on trees
It needs to be full auto and lay down hitstun or else it's effectively a shotgun reskin, but needing to reload after means it won't overshadow the plasma rifle, and the chaingun slot is still free for whatever

>>10681987
pretty

>>10681987
This really relocates my vertexes, in a good way.

I'm playing Remix Jam and these flags are EVERYWHERE, what sort of special breed are they signifying?

>>10681927
This week I made a map for a community project where I needed to fit a map into 1024x1024.

>>10682057
They're americans, they have american ideas. It's the best they can do.

>>10682057
This is the same group who tried to cancel the old guard and are basically gatekeeping the current community. They make pretty maps, but the actual content sucks because they think they know better when the best they can do is poor enemy placement and spam. And of course the usual in game political statements. It's best to avoid Jams these days, if only because of the weird Copper/Lunarian worship.

I love unlockable secret ending rooms. They should be a thing more often in large maps. The knights and paladins here (shouldn't they be blackguards considering they're following some old one?) are too busy praying to their rune or maybe doing their morning exercises to notice me being here.

>>10681906
The latter.
https://github.com/Lewisk3/GZDoom_Descent

>>10682063
>The image isn't 1024x1024
YOU HAD ONE JOB

>>10681936
What if the horns curved outwards a little and then back up into points?

/vr/os i started playing ashes 2063 and it's fucking great

why did i wait?

>>10682135
Little bit late for that, Anon. Though I should have taken the extra time to put proper points on the damned things.

>>10682078
they dont make pretty maps, it is the same repeated cookie cutter shit.

>>10682063
which project?

>>10682171
Embryo. There's a thread on Doomworld about it.

>>10680880

>>10682057
>Endless jams of the same maps using the same mod over and over and over
>The general quality is nosediving and they're just outright shoving obnoxious current year shit in the maps now
Gee, I wonder why this is.
Although the real question is why people aren't ignoring this group and just doing their own thing. It seems the moment they showed up the rest of the Quake community decided to leave. It wouldn't be so bad if there were more people who could map making alternatives to this garbage but this is what we get now. I miss the days of being excited for the next Arcane Dimensions release. At least Alkaline was good, even if these jackasses still had to put in a little of their bullshit into that too.
Although it can't be a coincidence that the shitty map made by the trans is found in the blocked toilet. Someone in that team is sane.

what for dinner

>>10681927
shrine wall thing

>>10682450
>why people aren't ignoring this group and just doing their own thing
They've centralized the Quake singleplayer community pretty well. There isn't really a good place to go organize a jam not under their purview, and single map releases tend to get drowned out. The obvious thing would be to do our own Quake jams, but considering how dead VR2 is...
>It seems the moment they showed up the rest of the Quake community decided to leave.
A lot of them were boomers who either noped out after seeing how retarded things were about to get, retreated to the multiplayer side of things, or got shamed into exile like Dumptruck.
>Although it can't be a coincidence that the shitty map made by the trans is found in the blocked toilet. Someone in that team is sane.
These people aren't exactly averse to feces, anon. It's very, VERY possible that was unironic.

>>10682505
>They've centralized the Quake singleplayer community pretty well.
Fuck, I'm always telling people that the Doom community being so fragmented is immensely beneficial for not ending up like this.

Oh boy, here comes Jerry with his 50-foot stand again.

>>10682505
>>10682526
So the only solution is to wait for these idiots to get bored an move on, or for a big scandal to tear the group apart which I guess could happen because kids these days are always looking out for things to tear each other down for.
This sucks. We still also don't know whatever the so-called allegations they made against the Quaddicted owner were, but my bet is it was made up crap in an attempt to take over.

Noooooo
I don't play doom to think, I just want to shoot demons.

>>10682526
Something about Doom seems to draw people from all sorts of other interests, and the closest thing to a unified idea is "grab the shotgun and kill everything in the map."
Even Athena Bambina, a smalltime bible-thumping vtuber played Doom and Doom 2, though most of the streams were belching and dying to zombies, and nobody bat an eye at how weird it was for someone who does bible study streams and other kids games to be playing Doom.

>>10682606
>Something about Doom seems to draw people from all sorts of other interests, and the closest thing to a unified idea is "grab the shotgun and kill everything in the map."
Ease of access, to the gameplay, to modding and the ability to make your own stuff.

>Even Athena Bambina, a smalltime bible-thumping vtuber played Doom and Doom 2, though most of the streams were belching and dying to zombies, and nobody bat an eye at how weird it was for someone who does bible study streams and other kids games to be playing Doom.
I mean Sandy's had the line for years that Doom never was a problem between it and his religious beliefs because Doomguy was killing demons.

>>10681946

>>10682526
i keep saying to these blithering idiots, quit quake 1 and move your base to quake 2, take what remaster did right now and go insane with it.
the reason of why there is even a Q2 Discord mapping group right now is because they want to fight this.
Mainly because it is sad seeing QuakeOne and other Q1 communities die to the sheep centralization with oldfags leaving, or kneeling to these morons while shunning those who cared like Dumptruck.

Even HL community and Build Community being autistic as the Doom Community helped a lot.

if Graf was smart, he would update GZD Builder with Q2R support so Wad textures are automatically converted to .wal or tga, and shit like Foursite would work out of box for Q2

>>10682471
Health should be in the heart.

>>10682471
In the thumbnail looks like a bunch of fat tanned guys wearing white underwear

Episode Enyo has spoiled me. Those guns are a lot more fun to use than Quake's standard guns and I find myself wishing I still had them when playing other maps. It helps that they're not just weird robot penises in the middle of the screen.

>>10681927
>Content related because someone made an Eva.wad
>https://www.vg-resource.com/thread-42435.html
Someone could use the weapon models I guess

>>10682870
I still prefer the OG weapon lineup but this is still super fun. Seems like a good base to make some stuff in.

>>10681367
One of these days someone is going to release a map or mod with some FTE specific feature, and people are going to look at it and say hey, that's really neat, I want to do that too!

>>10682870
They feel like Quake 2 guns but fast as Quake 3 guns
it is the best of both worlds

>>10681367
Even FTE doesn't support FTE. I played Church of the Unholy on a newer version of FTE than it was built for and one of the cutscenes glitched out.

>>10682078
>>10682450
Unpopular opinion, but jams have always been mostly shit and Quake community has never had that many quality releases per year. It's not dying as it never was quite alive on the first place. We get few good releases every few years like it always was. It's no more dramatic than that.

>>10679726
Somethingsomething separate the art from the artist or something.

>>10683091
He who shall not be named. Have fun separating that.

>>10681349
Serious Engine can do it.

>>10683161
Are you serious?

>>10683175

>>10681874
God I wonder why Descent modding hasn't taken off as much as Doom/Quake.
Hell the most I can think of in recent memory was a bunch of good community levels for Overload but even then that game's not going anywhere.

Just finished Blood. Good stuff. Is are expansion and the sequel any good?

>>10683238
>expansion
I'd go play Deathwish instead.
>Sequel
I haven't played it either.

>>10683238
Do not play Blood 2, it is perhaps the very worst mainstream shooter of its time. Catastrophically bad game from design to execution.

Is it possible to trigger a texture change in Quake walls?

>>10683338
If you trigger a func_wall that has a texture starting with +0 it will switch to the corresponding texture that starts with +a.

What is the best sourceport for quake?

>>10683238
Blood 2 is fun to fuck about in. Set it to Easy because the difficulty's fucked.

>>10683361
Ooo okay thanks. Does that follow for, say, +a to +b?
>>10683429
Ironwail

>>10683429
Ironwail is easily the best one.
But if you're stuck on a potato you might need to use Quakespasm.

>>10681954
>man the rest of his arsenal is pretty sick.
Yeah.
>>10681980
>but needs some extra damage or something.
Maybe. Again, I never had issues with it. Mace gets the job done, even if quite slowly.
>>10682450
>Although it can't be a coincidence that the shitty map made by the trans is found in the blocked toilet.
What? lol

>>10683687
>What? lol
One of the worst secret maps in Alkaline is hidden in the main hub's toilet.
I will say though, as much as I dislike the current situation in the Quake 1 community Alkaline was almost up there with Arcane Dimensions for being a damn good mapset. I hope further updates will be on the way because the team were hinting at it as far back as April last year with images of a huge mech suit and a few new enemies.

>>10683687
>>10683707
Also, pic not related in regards to shitty maps. Dancing in the Golden Sun is the Tears of the False God of Alkaline, and coincidentally they have the same mapper.
Bal makes some really cool maps.

>alk_head
Yeah sure let's test that. The more I mess with this the stronger I feel about >>10682946

>>10683713
I loved that map but was I the only one to have a very loud whining noise in some part of the map?
I think it was near the laser switches, those fucking things just kept going BWEEEEEE every time I'd go near that half of the map.
Also really liked the storage area where you get the permanent double/triple jumps.

>>10683753
Is Enyo supposed to be played with whatever the equivalent of a pistol start is in Quake?
The weapon placement really makes me feel that way.

>>10683753
Wait, you can load up Enyo with Alkaline?
Sweet. I can replay one of my favourite mods with Enyo weapons.

>>10683758
That's what i did on nightmare.
It's really not a hard set despite the enemy count.

>>10683238
the expansions are good, Blood 2 not so much

>>10683758
>Is Enyo supposed to be played with whatever the equivalent of a pistol start is in Quake?
The mod itself? Yeah. It's much more balanced that way, the grenade launcher and plasma rifle will get overshadowed by their upgrades.
>>10683763
>Wait, you can load up Enyo with Alkaline?
It's still glitchy but yeah, you can always mix and match these mods and levels to expectedly breaking results. This is still fun enough to mess with.

>>10681939
>accompanying paper
Please tell me more, I don't lurk here often

>>10684137
oh I can't reveal too much until I release the alpha version of the map

>>10683161
I was disappointed that the HD versions didn't had that

Did I miss a quad damage here? Episode Enyo level 5, the silver key door.

>>10684774
No, it's just a Mazu level.
In all fairness to him, he actually showed restraint this time. A reasonable number of secrets, health and ammo. Either he's learning or he's finally got someone on wrangling duty.

>>10684805
Honestly the level fucked. Yeah a lot of fights felt like they needed a quad damage somewhere but you're actually fairly tanky and there's a lot of armor and health lying around so it's not bullshit.
That final boss though, do people not realize Chthon was a shit fight just like every other vanilla quake boss was? Especially if you have the wings and can easily take out 2-3 switches in one go if you feel like it?

>>10684819
There was at least one quad in there as well. It’s also a level where the mod finally makes good use of those hammerers (bambler clones).
My issue with the final level is how much the episode peaked in the previous one with its fights. I’m okay with a Cthon-styled stage hazard if the combat surrounding him is solid.

>>10684848
The bamblers were a poor choice to be honest and they should have gone for a custom enemy type or at least gave them the arcane dimensions ogre hammer slam. There's too much bullet ammo in the game and it makes them absolutely trivial compared to the Shockmaster(the shambler clones).
Still, I really enjoyed it but now I don't know what to play. I'm still going through Doom's Abysm 1 and will go through Absym 2, but other than that I can't think of a wad or mod I had on my backlog.
Also looking at the Slave Zero X trailer it seems that Enyo is an antagonist which kind of makes me sad, I liked her.

>>10683707
>One of the worst secret maps in Alkaline is hidden in the main hub's toilet.
I get that, but couldn't undestand what is like the idea behind it.
>>10683713
>Dancing in the Golden Sun is the Tears of the False God of Alkaline, and coincidentally they have the same mapper.
Oh yeah. It was a good map. Played Alkaline a few years ago and this one definitely stood out.

>>10684819
I'm also sick of Cthon. The moment I saw a shield around the boss when I shot him and how he was stuck in place I immediately knew it was going to be a Cthon button smashing session. You have Armagon, people. Use him. You would need to do next to nothing to his design for him to fit in universe with biomechanical horrors.
>>10684854
>the arcane dimensions ogre hammer slam
When I first saw them I immediately expected them to do just that. But then for some reason the current newbies running the community seem to treat AD as something to be avoided so of course they didn't use it (and have a strict adherence to using Copper for some reason)
Personally, I like AD way more than Copper but that's neither here nor there since Enyo is basically Alkaline.
The short version is I want more Alkaline. It's a damn good mod and I thought more content was meant to be on the way.

>>10684854
>The bamblers were a poor choice to be honest
With how they’re utilized in the rest of the mod, for sure. EE5 finally makes some proper use of them, sending a squad against the player in a more limited space.
I’ve been going back between this and the original Slave Zero.

>>10684906
Honestly I played a level or so of Slave Zero(up until you finish off three generators in some city) and I didn't feel it. It has that early third person game camera where it feels way too sensitive even with lowering the setting and I have no idea if I just downloaded a copy without music or not but without any music the gameplay feels like it's missing something.
I might give it another shot later but honestly I've been more keen on replaying Hexen 2 with a vanilla+ mod if one exists and then Heretic 2.

>>10684934
It’s got some of the “weirdness” I was hoping for and is better than I was hoping it would be. It’s still a standard first/third person shooter, and capturing footage for it is now busted for me after using nglide.

whare some mapsets that go well with the ashes 2063 weapons pack?

>>10685016
Emerald City?

>>10685016
Monster Hunter Ltd

>>10684819
>Honestly the level fucked
Yes, it was surprisingly good for one of his levels. I think because it was a promotional material thing for an actual release there was good quality control this time. Normally I see a level by this guy and my first reaction is to skip it because they're usually annoying slogs. Not this time though, it was pretty good, even if he could do with giving you a quad for the silver door because that was bullshit the first time around.

>>10685086
>Mazu
I’ve only played his Enyo one and his levels in Dwell: His episode 2 map was nuts, but the one he did for episode 1? Just right, loved ot. Are his maps outside of the three I know (ee5, d1m8, d2m8) even more unhinged?

>>10685057
Those wads are a good call, shame they're fairly ignored these days.

>>10685103
If you like his kind of thing, then yeah you'll like the rest of his stuff. Personally, I get the impression he played some of the bigger maps in AD, was arrogant enough to think he could top them and went ahead not knowing that bigger doesn't always mean better.

>>10685141
I shill them at every opportunity. Love the atmosphere and the light environmental storytelling.

>>10685057
Monster Hunter is a real good time, makes me think of Lainos's maps.

What was the verdict on Eviternity 2? How is the difficulty, the map length and fun compared to the first? Is the final boss also ass in this one or is it more fun?

>>10685146
>Personally, I get the impression he played some of the bigger maps in AD, was arrogant enough to think he could top them and went ahead not knowing that bigger doesn't always mean better.
I can easily see this applying to Dwell’s d2m9. Not the case with his other Dwell map or Mechanized Mayhem, things like ad_sepulcher and ad_swampy are both fatter and mazier. I’ll be wary with his other works.

>>10685189
Like I said, Mechanized Mayhem means he's either getting over this phase or he's had someone editing his work to trim down the excess.
He clearly can make some good levels he just needs to stop trying to make everything some magnum opus attempt at creating another Forgotten Sepulcher.

>>10685057
>>10685141
>>10685156
>>10685180
It's kinda nuts to realize it's ten years since those came out, and seven years since they last released a map.

>>10677546
Am I blind or is the only way to change FOV in DSDA is through editing the config file? Not like it's a problem or anything, just seems strange not to include it in the options menu.

>>10685205
>hasn't posted on the DW since then either
I fear the worst :(
Hope he got a video game job or something.

>>10681934
>Reducing fire rate, as weird as that might sound, can make a weapon feel more powerful if you increase the damage per shot. The chaingun feels like a peashooter because of the low damage of each individual shot and only shines if you keep firing. By moving that balance over to higher damage slower fire rate you can make each shot feel more impactful, even if you keep the DPS the same.
I get what you mean but doom chaingun isn't the best example (I'm assuming that's the one being used due to speedreading, apologies if I misunderstood), because what makes it wimpy is sharing the same firing sound as the already wimpy pistol, and the rate of fire already being really slow for a CHAINGUN, it would be ridiculous if it fired even slower. If the sprite and name were changed to a battle rifle or something? That'd be more fitting for a slower firerate

>>10685335
Is this a fan map or something from the new Ashes?

>>10685365
Emerald City with Ashes weapon pack

>>10685368
>Emerald City
Holy shit how have I never heard of this, was looking for wads to fill the hole left after I finished Lost Civilization, thanks

>>10685378
It was pretty big when it came out but it wasn't Auger Zenith so it didn't stay popular.

>>10685383
How is the balance for that wad with the Ashes weapon pack? Tempting to use it as well but if it's overpowered I probably shouldn't.

>>10685385
If anything I think Ashes might be slightly underpowered.

>>10682634
>>10676828
The Sum Ting /vr/y Wong preview campaign has been uploaded!

https://files.catbox.moe/lsbkvk.zip

Will be hosting a few multiplayer sessions in an hour or so with Build GDX, here's a poll to determine how many dudes are showing up.

https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJGz0L5y3

Just beat Ashes 2063. Shorter than I thought it'd be, even with the 2 secret levels. Great level design, good weapons, REALLY good music. i r8 8/8. Will do afterglow next weekend.

>>10685472
You probably don't want o marathon Afterglow in one weekend. Do it over two weekends instead.

>>10685476
is it that much longer than 2063?

>>10676828
>>10685452
Hotfix version, fixed a texture problem and added a text document detailing the current progress.

https://files.catbox.moe/8m2ttp.zip

>>10685385
its a bit underpowered actually. The ashes super shotgun takes 2 blasts +1 (so 3 shells) to kill a pinky.

>>10685491
At least twice as long, but that's considering you know everything you're gotta do/don't give a shit for side content. For a first playthough, you're looking about 2.5-3.0 times the length.

I just wasted 40 min trying to finish MAP9 in doom2, couldnt do jump in one spot even suspected map might be bugged, apparently played with running off since i started doom2 and havent noticed it. Fucking kill me.

>>10685526
>jump
If you need to jump in order to complete a map, you're probably doing something wrong.

>>10685502
Server info for the session, password is "tendies". We'll be starting in about 15 minutes.

https://files.catbox.moe/rkeep8.zip

>>10685506
really cool

Emerald City has a super cool aesthetic.

>>10685634

>>10685593
The session is up! Get in here guys!

>>10685452
stuck here, what did i fuck up this time

>>10685647
sry
stuck here, what did i fuck up this time

>>10685693
Try reconnecting man, I think I fucked up the firewall rules initially. Relaunching the server.

>>10685695
I think Build GDX is being retarded, I port forwarded but it dosn't seem to recognize my public ip.

>>10685716
I'm a fucking brainlet, the public IP is recognized now, get in here bros, for real this time.

>>10683238
>Episode 5: Cryptic Passage
It's pretty fun and enjoyable.
>Episode 6: Post Mortem
I hope you like pain and misery, harder than Episode 4.
>Blood 2: The Chosen
Skip, go play the Death Wish add-on for Blood instead.

>>10685721
Server is up again, relaunching with 2 player slots

>>10685721
>>10685745
was able to connect!
got checksum errors in the console the first time it connected, i think because i had the map and tile files in both the base directory and the autoload directory. this time i emptied the autoload directory and unchecked the "enable autoload folder" box in buildgdx and it was sitting on this screen. (now it's back to "trying to connect")

>>10685760
We're in game right now man, let you know when the server relaunches. I'll set it to 3 players again.

>>10685775

>>10685778
Servers up man. GG anon, thanks for playing the previous match.

>>10685789
Servers down, thanks for stopping by guys. Hope you liked the map.

>>10685818
gg
map feels like it has good balance and variety, and really nice overall ambience

>>10683707
Alkaline did get an update anon it's in the news post.

>>10685841
Thanks man, I appreciate the feedback. Glad you liked it.

>>10681927
WIP of my map (MAP24) for Vertex Relocation.
Been in the process of looking for a new place, and I'm moving tomorrow, so God willing I'll hopefully crank-out a playable version by Wednesday night.

>>10681927
Got all the flats done, going back and taking a crack at shading this thing. I'm trying to figure out what'd be the best way to do this. Currently I'm painting on the shade/highlights with a low opacity brush and then pushing it through a limited color palette with a dithering option.

>>10686050
Kegan did you

is there a limit for custom button/weapon states?

>>10686118
Not yet. Art stuff first.

>>10686050
>shading this thing
Is there any particular reason why you're doing it by hand instead of adding lights to the scene and rendering with them? I can understand touchups, but this seems like it defeats the purpose of using a 3D model to begin with.

>>10686165
Blockbench doesn't have lighting options. So all I can do is make a model, and then I need to do the shading by hand.
Also I use a model to make perspective shit easier.

>>10686171
Ah. I've never used Blockbench, but it's probably easy enough to export the model to Blender and render its frames with proper shading there.
Unless you're just a masochist.

>>10686050
this is so cool, I remember just using MSPaint and this open-source program that rotates sprites with minimal loss, made for sonic sprites.
I just finished the Word doc/weapon features, now gotta make base sprites.

Man, GZDoom is so soulless. It doesn't have a "that unique look" that other engines have (Id Tech 3, Unreal 1, GoldSrc, Source, hell even other ports have their on "that unique look" like PRBoom or Skulltag)
Upgrading to OpenGL 3.3 was a mistake.

>>10686050
Looks great, any particular guide you followed to learn shading like that?

>>10686050
Damn that's cool

>>10685585
you needed acceleration to "jump" from ramp to other side to progress, without running it wasnt possible.
its in this spot
https://youtu.be/mzfT513NVjk?t=76