/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10646304
>Bugsy 3D
fucking meme game. but many first gen PSX did look like shit. stuff like FFVIII and IX came much later. and like any popular nintendo console, it was spammed with lots of licensed shit.

>>10646304
? All the screenshots look like ps1 games

>>10646316
also PSX had some the best arcade conversions. lots of underrated (mostly)2D games too ,like Suikodens.

It's almost like PS1 had a large game library representing a wide variety of graphic styles.

>>10646328
and yet people willingly choose to remember those games that barely sold 10k units instead of the ones selling millions

i'm gonna say it: bubsy 3d has a cool aesthetic

>>10646331
who are these people. dont assume everyone is as retarded as yourself.

>>10646337
>who are these people
zoomers and indie devs

>>10646337
>who are these people
the people i make up in my head to make myself mad

any bushido blade enjoyers?

>>10646339
I trust them more than I trust retards at least

>>10646339
Z-zoomers!

>>10646304
any examples of indie games like this?

>>10646380

>>10646304
>ps1 screenshots are all from emulators with enhancements (higher colour depth)

that's not what the games actually looked like

>>10646380

Selective memory. Most ps1 best sellers were realistic sports games. Yet everyone enjoys either bright colorful slop or horror slop

>>10646304
Are you saying indie devs are trying to make playstation-looking games by imitating the top look but not the bottom? Because I don't think that's a matter of what the indie devs believe, but a matter of what indie devs are capable of.

>>10646412
>>10646386
never prayed it and not vr >>>/v/meme

>>10646353
Budokan for DOS already did it better?

>>10646335
It's a clean game, it gets too much hate.
>Hurr durr mario 64 was already out showing everyone how to make 3d platformers
Yeah for like 2 weeks you nincompoop

>>10646304
>upscaled to 4k

Who are you trying to fool?

>>10646304
because most of the sales were people invested in their disc library
the consoles all shit themselves worse than the original 360s in their era
>ps2 slim fans blow dust directly onto lens assembly
>its somehow not designed like shit on purpose lol
pls

>>10646304
>PS1 games didn't look like these PS1 games
>they looked like THESE PS1 games

Great thread OP.

>>10646754
PSX games people actually played looked like the ones on the bottom
Did all PC games look like minesweeper?

>>10646331
Not really. Indies like blood born cart seem to emulate the style of nightmare creatures. A lot of them go for the silent Hill look. And a lot to fit the mega Man Legends look.

You probably didn't even notice because mega Man Legends Upscaled looks like a budget modern game like Ys.

>>10646671
>>ps2 slim fans blow dust directly onto lens assembly
They don't do this, retard.

None of those games are good OP.

why are FPStards so insufferable

>>10646304
A lot of indie devs seem insecure about their artistic ability and jump full force on the "le ps1 graphics" cope as some kind of immunity from criticism.

>>10646795
Those then could be critiqued with how they handled the PS1's many styles. I know /v/ has been salivating over that mediocre furry platform game but the over-detailed ass does rob the world of an interpretation that seeks to deliver said ass within the constraints set about by literally everything else in the game. It's hard not to feel robbed when there's such freedoms taken with to disregard the style. At that point then it just becomes making it look shitty on purpose.

>>10646339
Indie devs don't have the resources to make Tekken 3 or Vagrant Story.

>>10646806
theres a real problem with gamers and perhaps society at large if they think they will make anything even 1/10th as good as a namco or matsuno game. throw 1500 "experienced" devs in a blank room and they still wont make vagrant story. decline.

>>10647295
>throw 1500 "experienced" devs in a blank room and they still wont make vagrant story.
Good. Vagrant Story sucks.

>>10646412
Ah yes, because we all know there weren't any PS1 games that looked like "that"....

>>10646304
Because a lot of those sales were to normalfags who barely played the system after the bought it.

those images on the bottom are like 1% of the library and all in the last 2-3 years of the console. there are indies that reach that level but its obviously going to also be about 1% of the library because its a much higher level of time investment and skill required.

>>10646304
I remember when people on this board insisted there wouldn't be nostalgia for low poly graphics hahaha get fucked you losers you are soooo fucking wrong hahahaha bet you rage whenever you see how wrong you are LMFAO
GET
FUCKED

>>10646304
>fully 3d games vs limited 3d games
Pick a better choice of games if you're going to make a point.

>>10648007
What's limited about Vagrant Story's movement? you can move in 8 directions, jump, climb, interact with objects, tons of verticality, all that for an RPG. Much better than King's Field.

>people trying to develop games all by themselves seek inspiration from achievable graphics styles for a solo developer
UUUHM /vr/ BROS?

>>10646671
>>ps2 slim fans blow dust directly onto lens assembly
then don't do this, retard

>>10646785
That image makes no sense. By the very definition, Doom should be in leftmost side

>>10646304
>cherrypicking: the post

People exaggerate things. Even if they grew up right during these games, they remember and focus on certain things that differentiate these games from every other era, which is the low polygons. It's why a lot of hipster 00's early 10's "retro" 8-bit aesthetic games barely looked like actual 8-bit games.
But the bottom games you posted were really high budget titles that came out later in this system's life. The top games were early titles by people who were still trying to figure out the ps1's capabilities, King's Field was a launch title in Japan iirc and Bubsy was made by a small team with no frame of reference for 3D platformers. Why the fuck wouldn't an indie dev, who's probably an amateur at literally everything, not be inspired and drawn to the look of King's Field? Plus the aesthetic is just unique in a rough and simple way. It's not always about trying to replicate the actual experience of being 1997.

>>10646304
Top: SOVL
Bottom: soulless

>>10646335
I love the cartoony look of it.

>>10646803
>mediocre furry platform game
Which one.

>>10648003
>I remember when people on this board insisted there wouldn't be nostalgia for low poly graphics
>retro board
>no nostalgia
where do these mentally challenged come from?

>>10649421
Boomers

>>10646304
can change indies for tendies and the meme would be better

>>10646353
This game made me a man.

>>10646331
because making something that looks like Vagrant Story still, to this day, requires talent and hard work

>>10649498
And a big team with lots if money and time

>>10649498
>>10649503
Curious how indies can make something resembling PS4 titles but asking to match a late PS1 title is way too much

>>10649507
I'm guessing it's because of the tools available. From what little I've tried using the Unity demo, it was fairly easy making lush modern-looking 3d environments just playing around with the stock assets.

>>10646304
Early 3D looked bad and had shit framerate for the most part.

>>10649556
>make environment
>reduce polygon count
>reduce texture resolution
voilá, there's your vagrant story lookalike

>>10649562
>Add geometry wobble
>Add texture warping
>Add eye bleeding dithering
Done

>>10646304
This thread is retarded and youre intentionally misrepresenting the library. Most games did not look as good as the bottom 3, Silent Hill and Metal Gear Solid are some of the best looking games on the system and I would say most indies look closer to that style.

Vagrant Story was far and away the best looking game on the system, FF8 uses entirely pre rendered backgrounds so the only actual computing power can be spent on the character models, and fighting games like Tekken benefit from only having to have 2 characters onscreen at a time.

>>10646304
All six of those examples are what PlayStation games looked like, I don't know what point it is you're trying to make. If you wanted to say indie game developers are bad at imitating 90s 3D, you could say that more explicitly.

>>10649762
>youre intentionally misrepresenting the library
mmm let me see
>plays Klonoa
looks good
>plays Einhander
looks good
>plays Ridge Racer Type 4
looks good
>plays Wip3out
looks good
>plays Parasite Eve
looks good
>plays C12
looks good
>plays Sould Reaver
looks good
>plays Bloody Roar 2
looks good
>plays Omega Boost
looks good
>plays Persona 2
looks good
>plays Valkyrie Profile
looks good
>plays Time Crisis
looks good
>plays Tomb Raider III
looks good
>plays Spyro
looks good
>plays Crash Bandicoot
looks good
>plays Tony Hawk 3
looks good
>plays Driver
looks good
>plays Dino Crisis
looks good
>plays Legend of Dragoon
looks good
>plays 007 Tomorrow Never Dies
looks good
>plays Fifa 99
looks good
>plays Cool Boarders 3
looks good
>plays Syphon Filter 2
looks good
>plays Destruction Derby 2
looks good
>plays Twister Metal 2
looks good
>plays Tenchu 2
looks good
>plays Crash Bandicoot
looks good
>plays Ace Combat 3
looks good
>plays NFS Hot Pursuit
looks good

etc etc

Meanwhile (You) and indies: "PSX GAMES LOOKED LIKE VIRTUA RACING!"

>>10649789
I notice some games that mainly use 2d sprites on 3d environments here and many others that are nowhere near Vagrant Story tier

>>10649802
Almost like I listed a variety of games that actually represent the library while you're trying to make us believe the actual library looks like Fade To Black from 1995.

>>10649789
Holy shit schizo retard can have a meltdown but cant fucking read

>>10647889
>implying SH1 has shit graphics
You already rebuked yourself, but I'll go the remaining length.

The distinction, you desperately disingenuous faggot, is that the PS1 games tried to look their best despite the confinements of the technology of its time. meanwhile these indie games are actively trying to make rubbish, and as a result they are missing the mark entirely. rather than limit their capabilities and try to repeat the methodology in which PS1 games were created, rather than try to make something beautiful with only a little bit of materials, they make shit because they misinterpret "low standards" and "old standards" as being one and the same.

>>10649901
Indie devs are also operating with very limited constraints

>>10647305
Filtered, seething tendie.

>>10649951
What, like deadlines?

>>10646304
I mean all nine of those are PS game so...

>>10649901
but the game Anon replied to (this one >>10646412) looks just fine.

>>10649309
Doom is more 3d than many "true" 3d games. It makes enormous use of the z-axis.

>>10646795
They did the same thing with 8-bit in ~08/09.

Lazy cope art style for no reason, if the game doesn't explicitly have a reason for being 8-bit, it shouldn't be.

>>10646304
Playstation had no (good) games.

You tards are aware that people, for example, don't want a game that "looks like PSX game", they want a game that "looks like Kings Field", right?

>>10646785
Based. Consolefag nostalgia is that of circumstance. If their parents had also gotten them PC games, they would have remembered those much more fondly.

Unfortunately, indiefags grifting off PC game nostalgia are having the same problem...

>>10650960
"gameplay is all that matters" goons out of the woodwork any second now

>>10646304
>Secret sonyfag console shit
Fuck I hate all you console warriors. The dreamcast was a shitty 5.5 system that failed because it thought arcade ports in 1998 were the future of gaming, ps1 won because it appealed to the lowest common denominator and has a library full of trash and N64 only has 25 playable games. And no one had a Saturn in the United states.

>>10649901
I didn't say anything about shit graphics, I simply said that they looked similar. Which they do, you disingenuous faggot.

> meanwhile these indie games are actively trying to make rubbish, and as a result they are missing the mark entirely.
Yes, that's what happens when technology advances. What was cutting edge in the 90's is stuff a kid on google can find the tools to reproduce with spectacular ease.

>rather than limit their capabilities and try to repeat the methodology in which PS1 games were created
I have no idea what your brain-damaged retard-take on the matter is trying to imply. Are you saying they should build their own engines based on 1998 programming practices and understanding based around obsolete console architecture? To achieve.....What exactly? The look of a PS1 game? He can already do that with modern tools without the unnecessary baggage that you claim is necessary because you're a manchild who's clinging to his sacred cows as if they meant something and weren't just disposable entertainment of the era.

>they make shit because they misinterpret "low standards" and "old standards" as being one and the same.
Sounds more like a "you" problem, honestly.

>>10650960
Textures on the DUSK soldier are higher quality than Quake.

>>10650965
Dusk being shockingly ugly makes Quake look good by comparison. But Quake has always been an ugly, brown mess and people liked it anyway. So yes, that is true.

>>10646304
Two of those games at the bottom are late gen titles by Squaresoft. One of which utilizes 4 discs and lots of prerender cutscenes. Tekken 3 was also released over halfway into the PS1's lifecycle and visually lightyears ahead of both Tekken 1 and 2.
God I hate this cherrypicked shit. Good bait though to make me reply though.

>>10646321
>PSX had some the best arcade conversions.
Lol....yeah unless it was XMvSF or MvSF.

>>10650960
DUSK is good though

>>10651146
>consoletard thinks resolution = quality
I'm shocked and amazed.
>>10651149
>ugly, brown mess
Can't tell if retarded or played the cucked console port.
>>10651170
Wrong.

>>10651176
>consoletard
I probably own a better PC than you do.

>thinks resolution = quality
Uhh.....Yea? Stupid statement.

>>10650591
Good reason why the game bombed in sales and never got revived.

>>10651176
>Wrong.
No, correct. Same with HROT and Amid Evil.

>>10651176
Why is Dusk bad? Can you explain why you believe this to be the case? I like the game because the movement feels responsive and fast while the shooting and combat has a great flow that gives a decent challenge while making me feel strong.
Now you!

>>10651176
>>10650960
Imagine being a graphics-whore for a game that wasn't even released in the same century, lmao

>>10651176
The majority color in this image is brown kek.

>>10651180
>Uhh.....Yea?
I look forward to your crud... I mean high quality 4k pixel canvas MS Paint retextures for classic games then.

>>10651186
HROT I can give a lot of credit for having a custom engine in an age where everyone just uses the bloated messes that are Unity and Unreal. Gameplay and level design varies wildly through the game though.
Amid Evil has aesthetic, but that's about it. Gameplay is absolutely mid at best. It's certainly not the Heretic/Hexen 'spiritual successor' that it was memed as.

>>10651191
Braindead AI that makes Quake's monsters look genius in comparison, over-reliance on level gimmicks that just become annoying on subsequent playthroughs (the gravity reversal level for instance), and horrid aesthetics with bad post-processing piled on top.

>>10651202
The *majority* of colors from most games with a remotely dark theme is brown. That's far off from it being an 'ugly, brown mess'.

>>10651245
I don't get that image. Is it implying vanilla is the best? HD texture pack unironically looks the best here

>>10649901
low fidelity 5th gen -esque assets are much more practical for the level of detail the average amateur is going to realistically be capable of. stuffing a barren room full of high poly unity tier assets ends up looking much worse.

>>10646321
Not with fighting games, those conversions sucked with shit removed and loading times added.

>>10649809
>while you're
No one is retard schizo, you're the one who's pretending that Vandal Story is what the average ps1 game looked like, meanwhile there's tons of indie games that had 2D sprites on 3D backgrounds a la Dragon Quest 7 or akin to Persona 2
You're the one pushing this stupid false narrative and making up shit to get mad at

>>10646321
outside of namco, no fucking way

>>10651182
Because it was at the end of the psx life span

>>10649789
Based

>>10651245
Sorry man, Quake is not a good looking game and never was. It is a fun game, though.

>>10646304
Because it's a lie

>>10646785
Nice joke with the 'Elite' section.

>Most popular RPG on the PS1 and in the world at the time had lego people outside of cutscene

>>10651678
It had runescape tier 3d models on a 2d background and no one gave a shit.

>>10649901
Murder House is a bad example to complain about since its one of the few decent "retro-survival horror" indie games that's actually decent in a sea of garbage.

>>10651245
>is absolutely mid
thank you for admitting youre a zoomer

>>10646785
>>10649309
>>10650839
>doom best 3d

DOOM was great but the console versions were shit compared to the PC version. even when you were running it on a shit "business" PC with no GPU. why was DOOM even in this stupid scale that's comparing PS1/console games?

>>10651176
Quake is brown. get over it. Unreal 1 mogs Quake in the graphix whoring department.
>>10651191
AFAIK DUSK also has raytracing shit if you wanna be a graphix ho about it...

>>10646353
To this day, the only fighting game I enjoy playing with other people. The combat was just so tense, you could get a kill-shot at any moment. Plus being able to switch up stance or suddenly run away and then come charging in for an attack, so many mindgames were had.
>that moment you and your friend realize you can move to other maps by standing close enough to the edge in the loading area, and run around exploring the world of Bushido Blade
>learning you can skip most of the early fights in single player by running to the well, crippling your opponent's leg, then jumping into the well
That was the coolest shit ever, and one of my biggest complaints about the sequel is it used standard self-contained arena's instead of the connected arena's of the original game.

>>10650960
There is no comparison. It really seems like old school modelling and texturing techniques are an esoteric concept that modern devs can't grasp.

Since /vr/ seems to be filled with actual geriatric fossils that played games in the 80s/90s, I want to ask how does /vr/ actually feel like about all those modern indie games trying to ape old visuals?

>>10652237
Maybe it's just a cope for their lack of ability, they try to sell you ons ome Retro™ aesthetic but it's really just that they're bad at doing 3d models and skins for those models. Same with most pixelshit indie garbage.

>>10651176
I don't know what point you think you're making with that image

>>10646785
Crash was a 2d game in 3d space. The devs said it themselves. Your schizo bullshit takes you nowhere

>>10651245
>I mean high quality 4k pixel canvas MS Paint retextures for classic games
We weren't comparing re-textured classic games you stupid faggot-brained retard, we were talking about a self-made indie game and Quake. The self-made indie game has higher resolution textures without the pixelated, bit-crushed textures of Quake.

>>10646304
These are all PlayStation what are you trying to say? No retard that acknowledges PS1 isn't going to dismiss the lower examples.

Indie pseudo PS1 games are pretty trash anyway.it would never work because the limitations are from the console itself. The look is way to as a PS1 game

>>10651176
MEANWHILE

In the game you were criticizing.

>>10652635
wow is that a hecking thief referencino???? :gapingmouth:

>>10651263
No it really doesn't

>>10651191
not that anon, Dusk relies too much on visual flare and gimmicks than good encounter design and level design, you barely need to move in most maps kill enemies, you don't have to worry about positioning yourself while you move, or enemy prioritization during combat, enemies don't have good pathfinding causing them them will get stuck in some corner of the map waiting for you,
Dusk its all about visuals and the atmosphere, its not about challenging the player into making split second decisions.

>>10651263
>>10651146
Shit bait lmo

>>10652624
>The self-made indie game has higher resolution textures without the pixelated, bit-crushed textures of Quake.
So you're telling me it completely missed the point aesthetically?

>>10651681
Runescape looks better than FF7. I'm not trolling

I want to get good at texture mapping in blender but it's pretty daunting
My texture maps look like right on here >>10650960 but I added more shading so it doesn't look as retarded as Dusk

>>10653245
learn how to paint

just think than in 5 years we will get "retro" brown and piss-styled indie games

>>10653613
the day this board allows 7th gen discussion is the day I leave

>>10653613
Nice

>>10646304
> most misrepresented and misremembered

Early 3D had a dreamlike quality that many of us filled in with our imagination

>>10653626
>Early 3D had a dreamlike quality that many of us filled in with our imagination
nah, most human beans played detailed and gritty early 3D games. you zoomers checked dreamlike gifs of LSD on tumblr

>>10646304
>for some reason it's the most misrepresented and misremembered console of all time
All retro games generations are misrepresented by "indie" developers, NES games included

>>10646762
The image purposely cherry-picked images when the PSX had a diverse library. Why doesn’t the bottom image have Spyro or Crash bandicoot?

>>10653659
>Why doesn’t the bottom image have Spyro or Crash bandicoot?
you mean two of the best looking games on PSX?

>>10646304
Bubsy 3D was an early 3D PS1 game. FF8 was an AAA game that was released much later. Many PS1 games looked like the ones at the top.

>>10646785
None of these games pop'up from my screen, no real 3D, they do not even have glasses.
3DS is the first 3D console.

>>10653670
Even many of the super early PS1 games looked better than the indie conception of PS1 game. Hell, even Ridge Racer shits on their idea of a PS1 game.

>>10653623
probably next year or 2026. better pack up now.

>>10653667
The bottom pictures are all super detailed for PSX, if you want to cover the breadth of the system, some of its best sellers were games with cartoony graphics.

>>10653231
So you're telling me that you completely moved the goalpost of the argument?

>>10647295
People think that because these games are old they should be easy to make today. But the companies that produced them back then were well oiled machines with giant for the time development teams.

>>10646304
Because most of the really good looking ps1 games were jrpgs, and normies didn't play jrpgs in the 90s. Your average millennial remembers ps1 as the Crash and Spyro machine.

>>10654372
>and normies didn't play jrpgs in the 90s

>>10652293
I've always been under the impression that Dusk's graphics weren't really supposed to look good, they were just the best the developer could do at the time since he was a game designer first and a modeler second. I feel like it wouldn't have gotten a free graphical overhaul update if Szymanski believed his models were actually good.

>>10654384
Now post the US list that’s all Crash and Spyro and fucking Frogger and you’ll have the answer to OP’s question.

>>10646304
Picture makes no sense, both are PS1 games.

>>10649404
probably pseudoregalia

>>10646353
2 was better.

>>10646304
More of them looked like the top than the bottom.

>>10655261
Only if you are mentally ill

>>10655289
Screenshots don't really do justice but GT2 on a CRT is gorgeous

>>10655261
You grew up with an N64, or worse, you grew up with the 6th gen. You don't know what it was to have a playstation and what kind of games represented the majority experience.

>>10655972
Even an early adopter would get games like Ridge Racer, Tekken 1, Twisted Metal, Wipeout, games more detailed than the barebones King's Field type games. And that was in fucking 1995.

>>10653623
Thank god.

>>10653613
This board already plays jarpigs that play like shit and piss, why not play games that have the visual ascetic as well?

>>10653623
Thank god.

>>10653613
This board already plays jarpigs that play like shit and piss, why not play games that have the visual aesthetic as well?

>>10655289
Name 30 games with the visual fidelity of the bottom 3 games. There were hundreds of PS1 games, and if most of them looked like the bottom row, this should be very easy to do.

>>10655261
Numerically sure, but more people played good
games with good production values than the shovelware.

>>10655982
Tekken 1 and Twisted Metal look nowhere near as visually polished as the bottom 3. Tekken 1 practically looks like a Saturn game.

>>10655982
Tekken 1 and Twisted Metal look nowhere near as visually polished as the bottom 3

>>10656059
No, but they look much better than Bubsy 3D tier

>>10656067
So do Indie games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yj7Gxt9x5E

>>10654372
Retarded zoomer. Final Fantasy 7 was huge. I knew latinos and black niggas from the hood and who played the game. It was like Dragon Ball Z tier in terms of normie recognition.

>>10656047
Not him, I think all this console war stuff is ridiculous but your challenge seemed slightly fun so here's 40+ ones. It actually was pretty easy and I was tempted to just keep going but it got boring after a while.

Alundra
Legend of Mana
Discworld
Discworld 2
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9
Adventures of Lomax
Earthworm Jim 2
Chrono Cross
Snatcher
Oddworld
Oddworld 2
Last Blade
Macross Plus
Nightmare Creatures 2
Silhouette Mirage
Valkarie Profile
Breath of Fire 3
Breath of Fire 4
Resident Evil 2
Popolocrois
City of Lost Children
SaGa Frontier 2
Lunar Silver Star Complete
Lunar Eternal Blue Complete
Chocobo's Dungeon 2
Persona 2
Marvel vs Capcom
Front Mission 3
Fear Effect 2
Ghost in the Shell
Darkstalkers 3
Darkstalkers 2
Aladdin
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Dragon Quest 4
Final Fantasy Tactics
Suikoden 2
Raystorm
Pandemonium 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Legend of Dragoon
Metal Slug X

>>10646335
>>10646527
Deranged contrarianism. Bubsy 3D doesn't have a style. It's just textureless slabs.

>>10653676
You know Ridge Racer and Wipeout were funded by multimillion dollar corporations, right?

>>10656234
>Huge list of mostly 2D games
5th gen was a mistake and the Saturn hardware design was the correct way after all

>>10656617
To be fair when I made it I mostly went for good looking 2D games to avoid any inevitable
>hurr durr he thinks Ace Combat looks good troll troll troll
And before I knew it was over 40 games

>>10656656
>hurr durr he thinks Ace Combat looks good troll troll troll
yes

>>10656703
Ohh yeah I mean I agree it looks awesome, I just stuck to the easiest ones first and still got 40 some odd pretty fast.

>>10646304
It sold because of street fighter vs Capcom imo.

>>10656234
First off, we can eliminate every single 2D game, since 2D is automatically visually less impressive than 3D.

>>10656943
You legit just made me do a spit take

>>10656234
>had to list games that aren't even 3D
Thank you for proving my point.

Also, you're a crack-smoking retard if you think games like Front Mission 3, Chocobo's Dungeon 2, Ghost in the Shell, and Pandemonium 2 look anywhere near as good as Tekken 3. Tekken 3 looked like a Dreamcast game at times.

>>10656954
Yes, blowing retards minds is what I usually do. Rendering polygons is tougher than rendering 2D cutouts. There are more visually impressive 2D games from 1991 than anything on the PSX you stupid faggot.

>>10656234
>snoy gets called out
>lists a bunch of games that could've been released on the Sega CD

>>10656971
You were actually trying to be serious??

>>10656992
"Could've"? He literally listed Snatcher, which DID release on the Sega CD, lmao.

>>10656234
How will snoys ever recover, holy shit, saying Saga Frontier 2 looks just as good as Tekken 3.

Ps1 literally has a better library than the ps2. I know it's tough to swallow, contradicts everything the narrative says... But yeah ps1 is better than the ps2, there was no video game crash, and Obama sucked dick for crack. All history is a lie.

>>10657005
Tekken 3 is a graphical achievement, but SaGa Frontier 2 looks way better to me. As impressive as it looks for the hardware I still think all 5th gen 3D is pretty shitty 2D blows it out of the water. I know some people grew up with it and disagree though and that's fine for them.

>>10656234
>THIS
>is the power
>of ps-fag sony cope

>>10656954
Are you mentally handicapped, or do you just not know how technology works? Why the fuck do you think there were 2 and a half decades of 95% 2D games made before 1994, dumbass?

For me it's Wip3out.

>>10657032
It was your statement that "2D is automatically visually less impressive than 3D." I still find that deeply funny, especially in 5th gen. But hey, you do you boo.

>>10657040
Really, because I'm laughing that you think opposite. You can argue about how nice you think their art styles look, but if you genuinely believe they are technically more "impressive", I'm gonna die laughing at your stupid ass.

>>10656971
This is why the Playstation notoriously couldn't properly animate 2d games because it didn't have high enough specs?
And I'm completely ignoring the fact that 2d games look better, as that's a given.

>>10657048
By "visually impressive" do you mean how good it is to look at or how much work went into making it look like that?

>>10657049
You're arguing that Earthworm Jim 2, a Genesis game, is just as technically impressive as Tekken 3. I think you've lost any credibility you thought your argument had.

>>10647904
what's the picrel here?

>>10657053
If you are talking about a game that is visually "impressive", you're not talking about a game that just looks nice, you're talking about the technology behind it.

>>10656234
Pre-rendered backgrounds stopped being visually impressive when Myst did that back in 1993. After that it became known as a method to save on processing power while still looking nice.

>>10657057
Marvel vs Capcom is a lot more technically impressive than Tekken 3 is. Hell, Vampire Savior is.

>>10657063
I disagree with that, but at least see where you are coming from. I don't care about the effort into it, just how good it looks. I think 2D looks far, far better. Most Genesis and snes games look bettee than 5th gen 3D and always will regardless of how much effort went into trying to make them look good. Feel free to disagree, makes no difference to me.

>>10657070
STOP, STOP, I CAN'T TAKE IT, FUCK, I'M CRYING, AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>10657080
Explain how Tekken 3, a game the Playstation can run as intended is more "technically impressive" than Marvel vs. Capcom, a game that the Playstation cannot run with being cut down? Face it, you just drunk the "muh 3d" koolaid.

>>10657073
I agree that 2D games generally aged better than early 3D games, but that doesn't stop 3D games from being the ones that are remembered for being technically innovating, even if they were ugly at the time. It's why Star Wars from 1983 is remembered as revolutionary at the time, despite its basic wireframe 3D meshes.

>>10657089
Memory limitations. Graphically it looks identical to the arcade version.

>>10657091
Technically innovating is not the same thing as good looking to me. We were having different conversations.

>>10657114
The only reason you would be impressed by a game's visuals is if they are technically impressive.

>>10657143
I disagree pretty fundamentally. Legend of Mana is not very technically impressive, I find it visually extremely impressive. I rank good 2D art far higher than good 3D art in general.

>>10646304
>Bottom 3
One is a fighting game that utilized a high red interlaced mode, and the other two are late gen games by a dev known for high quality presentation. Fuck yourself retard

>>10657148
>I rank good 2D art far higher than good 3D art in general.
Right, so you're thinking through cognitive bias instead of the facts as represented by reality. Which is part of the problem, especially with your "list of games". I don't care how biased you are, you're never going to convince anyone that Aladdin, Earthworm Jim 2, or Snatcher are more visually impressive than Tekken 3.

>>10657148
>I rank good 2D art far higher than good 3D art in general.
Right, so you're thinking through cognitive bias instead of the facts as represented by reality. Which is part of the problem, especially with your "list of games". I don't care how biased you are, you're never going to convince anyone that Aladdin, Earthworm Jim 2, or Snatcher are more visually impressive, or even as visually impressive, than Tekken 3.

>>10657157
No I'm thinking of it through the lense of what looks good. And I don't care if someone else thinks Tekken 3 looks better than Legend of Mana or considers it better because they regard it as less of an achievement. To me it simply looks far, far better and that's what I care about. By the same factor, if someone somehow programmed Tekken 3 to run on an SNES and it looked exactly the same as it does on PS1, I would still list Seiken Densetsu 3 as a better looking game. How it actually looks looking at it is what I care about.

>>10646331
I think sega fans just wanted to hate on it

>>10657107
Right, it has requirements that are too high for the Playstation to meet as is. It is a technically demanding game.

PSX is the patrician choice for developers and players.

>>10657462
Not a Playstation specific thing, but pre-rendered backgrounds are great. It lets the artist show the player exactly what they should see and convey the associated tone. With a free cam, you are frequently looking at shit like the inside of your character or close up at a low rez texture.

>>10651245
Dusk was amazing, and is easily better than many 90s shooters.
Amid Evil, as you said, has a great aesthetic, but is not actually all that fun.
Haven't played HROT, but look forward to it.

>>10657462
Koudelka's prerendered BG's are absolutely awful, the backgrounds are all BLACKED and super noisy

>>10657483
As you said, it allows the artist to focus on exactly what they want the player to see and nothing else, which is amazing for maximizing relative effort. Even games with 3D backgrounds but fixed cameras tend to look miles better, because no work has to be wasted on unnecessary shit. You can establish not only atmosphere/tone, but SCALE far more effectively as well when you can choose how the player is going to see something and perspective does its job as their player model shrinks into the distance.

It's honestly a crime that RPGs and the like stopped using highly tailored fixed views, it's no wonder so many modern games have every area blend together.

>>10646317
they literally all are PS1 screenshots.

>>10657462
What game is it?