/vr/ - Retro Games

The atari is complete garbage. I don't know why people even collect that shit. Theres no fun to be had in any of those games unless you grew up in the era where thats all that was available. Playing those games now is like listening to HitClips for your music.

I love Conan and I love Atari.

>>1064123
Try Pitfall 2 or HERO and take the time to RTFM first. They're great games although there are later ports with updated graphics you might find "better" although the original Atari versions have near infinite depth.

Example: VCS Pitfall 2 has New Game+ 255 times IIRC, the Sega arcade version with the much better graphics has two or three.

>>1064103
Looked like he was intentionally fucking up, especially at River Raid. The game's difficulty cliff for new players is the height of a painted line.

>>1064103
>Missile Command with no trackball controller

>>1064135
It was for comedy. When I was a kid, I remember wondering why your plane crashed if it touched the river bank too. That's one of the reasons I always liked Vanguard better.

>>1064123
Could say the same about the NES

>>1064103

He was 14-15 years old in Atari 2600's heyday and he's acting like he's never seen one before.

>>1064147
Could say that about a few consoles, actually.

>b-but muh games

>>1064170
thats because he wasn't into video games until around a year ago. so everything is new to him. he said the only game that he was aware of was pong machines and that was it.

>>1064135
Maybe the joystick was faulty. He kept banking starboard for no apparent reason.

>>1064129
The problem with the VCS and its direct competitors was that too few people tried to make new games with it instead of copying successful arcade and computer games.

>>1064147
You could. But then you'd just be being a faggot and a liar.

>>1064139
>implying the VCS trackball works reliably
>implying 2600 Missile Command was meant to be used with the trackball

>>1064129
Don't forget Jungle Hunt.

>>1064195
As opposed to you being a faggot without having to say anything?

I first played H.E.R.O. in 2002. It was fun then and it's fun now

>>1064282
I keep dying because I can't get away after laying a charge.
But that's the Colecovision version, maybe the Atari one is better.

>>1064201
Yeah Jungle Hunt, Crystal Castles, Congo Bongo etc... There are tons of arcade ports that keep the gameplay intact there's just a big hit to the graphics so kids that have MAME are like "WTF is this crap?" when they see the VCS port even though, in reality, they're good ports.

Check out Dragon Stomper that game would have blown my mind back then but I didn't get a Supercharger until like 1999

>>1064123
Go back to your /v/ on your dorito dust keyboard.

>>1064123
but muh supa nintendoh

>>1064123
> people that like things that i don't must be fools

I think Conan is an idiotic fucktard and his lame ass jokes about gamers having no life and no gf are so lame they go backwards.

clueless gamer is a section that doesn't help much either especially if he says that Skyrim has too many choices. this guy is a fucking unfunny retard.

at least the episode mentioned ITT is cool.

>>1064930
>unfunny
You can call him many things but that sir, is below the belt. He's one of the few late night hosts that never fails to make me laugh. About the nolife jokes, its because he didn't become a gamer till way later, so that's what he actually believed.

>>1064969

He's still not a gamer.

>>1064984
okay, sorry, poor choice of words. He didn't start playing games until way later.

>mfw the best reviewers aren't gamers
>like Conan and the fellow from Forbes

>Now have him play the game with the most sophisticated gameplay right now: METAL GEAR RISING: REVENGEANCE.

...

The funniest thing he ever did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Aax2V7a3S4

I liked the Tomb Raider and the Halo4 ones, this one was "meh"

>>1064301
>telling people to go back to /v/

Oh man that was a good one. The doritos part was the game changer.

If you don't like Atari games, read up a little on the platform itself. Imagine yourself burdened with the world's only 1-d graphics chip. You've got 4 kilobytes total for your sprites and code. These are desperate, back-up-against-the-wall games. Everywhere boxed in by time and space. What makes a good Atari game fun is playing along in that little box.

Sanderson's Second Law: Limits > Powers.

Oh, and if you're a programmer, give this platform a shot. Writing for it has all the panic and intensity of a great video game.

>>1065047
I heard emulating it is a lot harder than it would seem.

>tfw he kept pulling out the carts without turning off the system

>>1065065
I thought his cluelessness was cute personally

>>1065023
For a second there I was wondering why he was running to third.

But yeah I loved this when I saw it.

>>1065056
It is -- I wrote an Atari emulator some years ago. The problem is timing. You've got digital components, but analog response times. To get things just right, you need to model not just the spec but all of the imperfections of the circuitry.

Going through the process increased my respect for real emulator writers ten fold.

>>1064969
I was mostly refering to his bad jokes about gaming and gamers. his other stuff more or less okay.

That laugh track

Im going to continue not watching any TV

>He gets to play on a heavy 6 switcher

>>1065065
Doesn't that guy tell him NOT to do that?

>>1066557
It's actually a real audience.

>>1064123
>"Hey guys I've tried Combat and ET, this system is SHIT."

The NES would be garbage if all you played was Pictionary and Super Pitfall

>>1066576
It doesn't make that much of a difference when they command them to laugh at "correct" times.

>>1066609
But at least you would of heard some sweet music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJwh3erQlyE

>>1066609
List 10 games worthwhile games on the console. The only ones i can think of are Pitfall and Dragonfire.

>>1066612
Well no shit, and it's been like that for decades.

>>1066612
Makes me think of when Graham Linehan (Father Ted, IT Crowd) talks about how he uses studio audience laughter in his show. A lot of the time he actually had them edit OUT laughs, because they were obviously a product of nervousness or the audience was laughing inordinately loud at a joke that wasn't that funny. His rule is "the only time people notice the laugh track is when it's laughing at something that isn't funny."

So basically stuff like Big Bang Theory should be completely silent to work at all.

>>1066609

I think Combat is pretty damn good.

>>1069216

I should add that you have to play it with one of those wheels, the joystick sucks. And the tanks are kinda slow and boring, but the various modes with planes can be a lot of fun with two players.

>>1069216
Combat is amusing for what it is, but it gets old quickly. Warlords is far more playable.

>>1064147
The NES actually had good well designed games. The Atari games were ugly and broken.

>>1069567
>The Atari games were ugly and broken.
>muh graphics
>huurrr dat shit old

>>1069574
The gameplay on Atari also sucked.

>>1069594
That one, big red button was a little intimidating, wasn't it?

>>1069594
>>1069567

>>1069612
The more buttons the better
Computers > Jaguar > Colecovision > Intellivision > Nintendo

>>1069623
>Jaguar better than everything
>Coleco/Intellivision better than NES

>SAYING THE ATARI WAS WORSE THAN THE NES AND THEN PRAISING THE COLECOVISION

>>1069627
NES has 8 bits, Intellisivion has 16 bits and Jaguar has 64 bits.
Which is better?

>>1069651

NES.

captcha: best forAch

>>1069627
Colecovision is closer to the NES than it is to the Atari.

>>1069653
You fail at math.
But what's to be expected from somebody whose machine lacks a simple numpad?

>>1069651
intelli/Colecovision is 8 bit.
http://www.maniacworld.com/game_console_history/Colecovision.htm

>>1069721
>math

>>1069738
Intellivision and Colecovision are two unrelated consoles by Matell and Coleco respectively.

>>1069818
He still contradicted himself by saying the more bits a system has the better it is, and then saying the 8-bit Colecovision was better than the 16-bit Intellivision.

>>1069830
It's a joke.

>>1069836
Fuck off retard. I'm getting sick of seeing this response every time someone's afraid of being wrong on here.

>>1069860

>>1066609
Now I like the NES, don't get me wrong, but outside of Super Mario Bros. 3 and Kirby, the colors are bland and uninspiring.

>>1064103
>The grandfather of all video games.

Boy they are clueless.

>>1070051
>what is contra?

>>1070051
Gimmick! looked good.

>>1070068
There are a few good looking games but most of them only use color palettes consisting of grey, light brown/beige, and black.

This video rubbed me the wrong way. He kind of seems to decide they're awful before even starting.

>>1070086
Reminds me of my sister. She refuses to play anything that isn't in 3D. And if she did, she would have an instant impression that the game was bad simply because of how it looked.

>>1070076
Can you give us examples? The only game I can think of like that was Gyruss, and even then, the enemies were colored very brightly to compensate.

>>1066609
>Pictionary
you mean Anticipation?

>>1070119

>>1070181
How about games that DON'T suck tremendous donkey honky?

>The uploader has not made this video available in your country.

;_;

>>1071326
ProxMate is a Firefox addon that's able to let you bypass that shit, as long as you log out of your Youtube account. Dunno how it goes with remotely embedded videos.

>>1070086

I think these videos would be better if he made a serious effort to play the games properly, like that Gamecenter guy.

>>1071407
Thank you

>>1065108
I tried to write a 2600 emulator too, but for me the problem was figuring out how to use OpenGL to generate 2D graphics. The 2600 encouraged pixel-by-pixel rendering of the screen, and I could never get it to work right, so I eventually gave up. This is supposed to be Pacman, but it's only rendering the background. At least the 6502 emulation works well.

>talks shit about every game without making any effort to actually play them
>praises Space Invaders for no proper reason

If this isn't the most blatant attempt to get "gamer" cred I don't know what is.

>>1073559
He seems legit

>>1073550
You could probably talk to the devs who do Slade3. http://slade.mancubus.net/

They exclusively use OpenGL for everything they draw "Because when we have OpenGL code, it's simpler to use it; because it makes it easier to do stuff like the tiled backdrop, border framing around images, color changes for stuff that is highlighted or (in the texture editor) part of a patch outside of the texture; because it allows to perform simply the various types of blending needed for preview of ZDoom textures; and so on."

I don't know why you'd need to use OpenGL over, say, SDL. It limits your playerbase more than you think.

>>1073550
Can't you just write every pixel to a framebuffer of some kind with OpenGL just drawing that after vblank?

>>1073559
>Watch every other episode
>Has general disdain for video games
>Implying he wants "gamer cred"
I will agree it the segment is pandering, but he seems to genuinely dislike video games.

>>1073559
what I don't like is how he shits on people who play video games with lame ass jokes even though we live in the year 2013 and yet he still makes money from showing vidya footage.

also his diablo 3 voice over spoof sucked so much, I never want to see the whole show again. it was really bad.

>>1076909
I guess you're right.

I don't think the clueless gamer "concept" works with old games. The funny part is that he's usually playing these supposedly state-of-the-art popular games and he's pointing out all the things that are still stilted and unrealistic from the perspective of someone that doesn't the standards game conventions like quest vending machine NPCs.

Shitting on Atari games, to me, just comes off as mean. Haha, we get it, they look sucky now, but he's too old to act like he doesn't understand why anyone would ever like them.

I feel the only reason he picked Space Invaders was because it was familiar, and if he had been as familiar with any of the other games he probably would've had a similar reaction. Still a fun watch for what it is, though.

Wasn't that bad.

>>1064147
The NES had games with unique stages and enemies in each level

Most atari games just repeat the same screen over over over till you die. even if you enjoy playing for high score theres infinitly more complex scoring in other games such as chaining in donpachi

I totally agree with him.
Atari games suck, plain and simple. So do most NES games.
The earliest games that still make me want to play them are Genesis and SNES games.

>>1078732
There were some quality games on early computers like Apple II and Atari 400/800 and arcades.

>>1078732
Do you even realize what board you're posting on?

I can agree somewhat with 2600, but its probably largely due to the fact that I wasn't alive at the time it was popular. But saying most NES games suck? No. Sure, there are some duds, but that's true of any console, even today. If it wasn't for the NES becoming wildly popular, the video game market may have never grown into what it has today.

>>1078732
Most Atari games are uncompleted videogames, simply because of lack of music. NES games on the other hand, had perfect melody driven soundtracks, and for essential games there are a lot of franchise defining tunes, that have been rearranged and used many times for newer titles last 25 years.

>>1078794
It's called video game and not audio-video game. Would you also say that silent movies are incomplete movies?

>>1078808
>Would you also say that silent movies are incomplete movies?
Yes.

>>1078824
Would you say that 2D movies you can't smell are incomplete?

>>1078824
Would you say that books without pictures are incomplete books?

>>1064123
Play some Breakout or Berzerk, you nigger.
Yeah 2600 had a bunch of shit, so did the NES.
The games that kept it simple and fun were great.

Wow. I understand that he was being stupid for the sake of comedy in that River Raid bit, but it just wasn't funny.

It's like those "Rage Quit" guys. Watching them pretend to get angry at Surgery Simulator is funny. Watching them pretend to get angry at Chromehounds' tutorial course for being a tutorial course is not.

River Raid is most of the reason I got Activision Anthology for GBA the other day, it's still a great game, and watching Conan pretend it isn't is just not funny.

>>1078943
>>1078953
No, are you dense? Comic book without pictures is incomplete. 3D panorama without sense of depth or virtual reality without sense of smell are incomplete.
Movies without sound are incomplete.
It's that simple.
If you treat silent movies as it's own art form, they're fine. But as movies as we know them last 80 or so years, they're incomplete. Just like video games without music.

>>1079146
So we can treat early movies without sound as their own thing and enjoy them on their own merits, but we can't treat early video games without music as their own thing and enjoy them on their own merits?

>>1079146
Is a comic book without colors incomplete?

>>1079171
I did not say that. I just don't agree that NES games are as much archaic as Atari games.

What about more modern games that are intentionally without music, like Space Griffon on PSX? Is that an incomplete game?

>>1079203
Ask your mom.

>>1079241
And the rest of us are not contesting that, we're just pointing out that, of all the reasons you could have picked to make the distinction, the lack of music in most Atari games is not a compelling one.

Any gaming console before the SNES is completely unplayable these days.

I'm putting down /vr/, you picking it up?

>>1079316

It might have worked if there wasn't already so much bait in this thread, but no, I think you've blown this one.

>>1079391
I'm being very serious.

This whole thread as any thread on /vr/, /v/, /tv/, etc.

>>1079464
So am I. You dropped the ball.

>>1079508
What?

Tolerance for older systems largely depends on what you grew up playing.

I think if you want to develop a taste for older systems, you should take it in steps and work backward. For example, say you already like NES games. You could work back by getting yourself used to the earlier games with simpler graphics on that system like Super Mario Brothers, Metroid, or Zelda, and then start mixing in the more sophisticated games on an earlier system like Atari such as Jungle Hunt, River Raid, stuff like that.

Basically, just take games you already like playing and try to find games from just a bit earlier, or that are kind of like them in some way. Work your way back by degrees.

>>1066616
Pitfall, River Raid, Chopper Command, HERO, Stellar Track, Laser Blast, Defender, Missile Command, Star Raiders, Ms. Pac Man, Yars Revenge.

>>1079108
He had a point though, why the hell do you crash into the ground if you try flying away from the river?

>>1082085
Because you are a brutal soldier and only live to kill enemy helicopters, boats, tanks, paratroopers, bridges and fuel tanks. Disobeying order and deserting is not an option.

>>1064103
>I don't play them well
>I have no experience with them
>I don't really enjoy them

So, just like an average IGN reviewer then? At least he is honest about it.

>>1082085

Because it's actually a river valley and you are flying between its walls. You're not thinking third-dimesnionally, Marty!