/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10625654
I used to love Pokemon Blue but holy CRAP that game sucks. The crappier version by a mile, lamer exclusive Pokemon (excluding Sandshrew/Sandslash), less cool factor with a fat turtle on the cover compared to a freaking fire-tailed dragon. Version red was better, hell even Yellow was better. Pokemon Blue was the stepchild of Gen 1 and that was the weakest generation in terms of graphics, balance, & variety too.

>>10625654
Palworld

>>10625654
I've always enjoyed Renegade for the NES. I'm not going to pretend it plays well and it has a fucking maze in the last level that can send you back to the start of the game but once you wrap your head around the mechanics it starts to be sort of fun. I also like a lot of the backgrounds and environments in the game. They trigger some odd quasi-nostalgic emotions from me and I don't know why. I think a lot of them qualify for what zoomers call "liminal spaces."

>>10625674
>Arbok vs Sandslash: Both are shit, but at least ground is a better type
>Vileplume vs Victreebel: Glass cannons are better than being half-assed at everything like Vileplume, not to mention Vileplume doesn't get Razor Leaf
>Arcanine vs Ninetales: Ninetales has the higher Special stat in gen 1, letting it make better use of its fire moves
>Primeape vs Persian: Fighting types are shit in gen 1, while speedy STAB Slash is god-tier
>Electabuzz vs Magmar: Red wins for once, since Fire types are mediocre in gen 1
>Scyther vs Pinsir: They're both shit due to their awful movepools and them learning no powerful Bug moves to make use of their high stats
Blue's exclusives are easily superior.

>>10625741
Based pokeautist.

> worst fucking controls
> ebin music
> comfy live action cutscenes

>>10625741
Design wise, Red destroys almost everything Blue had to offer. Scyther was and always will be more popular than Pinsir. Vileplume had stronger stats than Victree. Arcanine can learn Dragon Rage and also Hyper Beam Ninetails to death. Arbok was literally used by an Elite 4 member, and was far more recognizable in the show. Sandslash is overall the type advantage, but there you go. I already said Sandshrew line was better. Also, Electabuzz would cave in Magmar's skull with his Thunder Punch. Blue was the trash version, weakest overall from the weakest generation of Pokemon. Charizard on the cover was the big indicator too. It was like the victory artwork, while Blastoise was the beta cucked version. Red also sold way more than Blue, but keep trying. I love it when 4channers get heated over Pokemon.

>>10625654
flawed? mm6 is perfection

>>10625786
> mm6 is perfection
not really
I love mm6, but you can't deny it has a lot of flaws

> shit stats system
> shit in-game economics
> castles with unnecessarily enormous numbers of same enemies
> mismatched designs here and there
> 2/3 of the spells are fucking useless, some of them don't even work properly
> inconsistent rules like falling down outdoors damages you, but it doesn't if you're in a dungeon
> etc etc

>>10625674
>>10625779
If squirtle is so bad, then why is he the optimal choice for speedruns?

>>10625654
picrel played like absolute trash, but the rendered designs, the sci-fi world, the almost tranny proportions of the female cast, and the nextgen wannabe gameplay made it so enticing

>>10625793
>castles with unnecessarily enormous numbers of enemies
That isn't a flaw.

>>10625867
at the very least it's subjective
but I guess some people like bullet sponges

>>10625850
Squirrel isn't bad, he's the cutest OG starter. Blastoise is his ugly bloated final form, which makes Charizard even more popular by sheer alpha-dragon mogging. It is similar to the Godzilla vs Gamera debate. A large dinosaur or dragon looking thing will be automatically cooler than a large tortoise with a goofy shell.

>>10625884
charizard is a fat fake faggot dragon

>>10625928
His cover alone outsold the blue cover. Even his trading card was the most valuable and mogs any Asstoise card, lulz.

Deadly Towers has got to be the most shoddy game ever made, everything about it is pure glitchjank and monster hp design by random number generator, and worst of all trying to navigate its utterly incomprehensible non-euclidean map is the closest a video game can get to simulating the experience of an actual schizoid psychotic break, and I love it (carefully, from afar, without making direct eye contact to provoke it).

>>10625654
Forgot why it was flawed.

>>10625654
Love this game like you wouldn't believe, but I wouldn't recommend it to anybody today due to how basic it is and how most of the game is an actual grind.

>>10626065
It can be fun but you have to really put yourself in a particular mindset. The thrill of the game doesn't come from playing with systems, or a lengthy movie-like cutscene. The thrill comes from being able to buy an axe so you can finally kill Wolf Lords in one hit. Once you accept that, it becomes kind of addictive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj98h-moqKU

land battles in particular can be wheelbarrow of dicks but I still love it

>>10625654
mm8 was so good. i played it the long way.

>>10625654
Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories
It has one of the msot basic card system where big numbers win and you essentially just grind endlessly to get the objectively better cards, at that point defeating enemies becomes simple... but I love it, the atmosphere and OST is 2nd to none, especially the part where you go into the shrines where the High Mages are, it's so moody and SOVL, and getting better cards is quite fun.
Also, the part where you save Tea and she turns into your sex slave to thank you was a just such a major highlight for me, I wasn't expecting that at all, but I'm grateful that they put that in for me.

>>10625793
Mismatched designs? Are you talking about the janky real person PC models? Otherwise I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Also, the problem with Darkmoor isn't the number of enemies, it's that every single one of them spams annoying status effect attacks. Half the fun of the MM6-8 games is mowing down hordes of enemies.

>>10625654
>ITT: Incredibly flawed games you like
Sonic 3D Blast's quite flawed... I love it though.

>>10625654
There's a c64 game where you get to level 16 or so, and there is a bug, causing the player to get stuck. Don't know its name but it has a knight in it. it's actually not bad. Just don't remember the name.

>>10625734
i had the sms version as a kid and felt the same way. might try the nes one later

>>10628242
the SMS version plays much better. Your punches aren't completely worthless for starters...

This hot mess of a buggy broke dick game.

The ambience and concept hooked me though.

>>10625654
I'd say most Disney video games on PS1, it didn't live up to the standards set on Genesis/SNES, at least not for me, but most of them were still fun enough and did what they had to do, I like them.

>>10626646
>the part where you save Tea and she turns into your sex slave to thank you
I don't remember that part

>>10625741
yeah i'll take spore powder over razor leaf

>>10625786
MM7 is better, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>look big dungeons!
Don't care. Size doesn't matter, it's how you use it. And MM6 uses its size just as bloat.

>>10628573
is that some kind of spelljammer game?

>>10628904
CHEDDA WHIZZY!

>>10628972
Well, you're missing out then, I'm sure it's there and that I didn't imagine it because I forgot to take my meds, I think.

>I think the game is so shoddily put together the kitten sprite isnt even able to be rendered sometimes, thus why its so damn hard to finish a level
>levels dont really change from stage to stage
>merely playing a stage for too long makes the sushi man chase you for some reason, even if you dont take the fish
>and sometimes at complete random, here's a fucking snake that pops out of the sewer to kill you but you CAN outrun it
>soundtrack has like one tune and its pretty grating
but oh god, the thrill of chaining together as many dogs down a swer hole as possible, or managing to snag one of those trinkets in an alcove for big points, or leaping a pothole to make a dog fall in behind you. Its so addicting as a score attack

>>10629217
Was it the spelljamming ship that gave it away?

>>10630847
cool post anon, of all the posts in this thread this is the best. So funny. I recognized the ship, and then I asked if it was a spelljammer game, haha. Wow, you're right, how silly. You are the funniest dude typing

>>10629213
i love mm7, but the build variety is absolutely terrible compared to 6.
the cultured man's choice is mm8

>Golden Axe 1
>Ninja Gaiden (arcade)
>Double Dragon 1

I love them, but it annoys me immensely that thrown enemies pass through other enemies. TBF, all of them were really early games in the genre before some aspects became standards.

>>10625734
arcade version is shorter (no maze junk)
its fucking hard though. you have no choice but to 1CC

>>10625654
no you didn't stop lying

>>10630847
Fairly infamous for its problems, but I liked it for everything it could have been.

>>10625778
You gonna share the name?

>>10631337
I was a complete paypig for SSI at the time and I still never played it. Can you compare it to any other games? If you told me to make a spelljammer videogame in the early 90s I'd have made a Pirates! clone

>>10631338
Crusader/crusader 2

It runs on ultima 8's engine lol

>>10628573
What does air quality do?

>>10631394
I think in theory the air can be used up, but every time you dock at a planet (which is a lot) you can replenish air so it is never really a practical problem in the game.

>>10631352
It was a pretty unique game actually. It was a mix between Uncharted Waters and some of the gold box battle system.

Except the basic character generation sucked, broken reputation system that doesn’t seem to do anything anyway, the missions were super repetitive, and ship to ship fights against anything other than human crews was a death wish typically… Mass umber hulk crews with Illithids would trash you.

I still liked the calm music and buying the weapons systems on the ships for the ship on ship fights.

Horribly put together game, but Inwas still charmed.

THAT'S A MAN!

>>10626016
Something about its presentation and music really nails that European medieval fantasy land atmosphere .

>>10625654
>ITT: Incredibly flawed games you like
World Cup Italia '90 on SEGA Master System
It's got 8 players on each team instead of 11, the only reliable way to score is to do a sideways pass as the keeper comes out of his goal so you can go and shoot into an open net, which makes goals in this look the same, the graphics and sounds are nothing special, passing's often intercepted and a long pass always go a bit to the side instead of in a straight line regardless of how you aim it, it sucks to shoot as the keeper always saves it if its not with the method I mentioned earlier, and the defending side of things also isn't very good as most of your tackles miss the ball completely...
I still adore it though, when I get a string of good passes going the feeling is quite nice, and it's so fun to dribble past opponents from the back, as you slowly make your way up, or just surprise them with a quick counter attack to score, I even beat this with the weakest team in the lineup, China, and teams feel so different and unique, I really struggled, but it felt satisfying to make it.

>>10626291
>CHOOSE YOUR FLAG

The second half of this game falls off so hard but Its still one of my favorite games.

>>10625674
Gen 1 graphics and sounds are raw as fuck, I like that it feels less anime inspired

>>10626016
Back in high school I lent the Deadly Towers cart out to a friend and he had 6 of the bells in two days. Not quite sure how he did it, was long before any cheat devices.

>>10625654
Bye mom, see ya later.

SA2

>>10625779
Scyther isn't half as popular as Scizor. If he didn't get an evolution, Pinsir would be the lingering champion between them.

>>10626291
kek im currently playing it. half way through. bitch ass difficult

>>10634924
you mean the campaigns? There are 2 or 3 bullshit situations but for an old economy sim I didn't think it was that hard, 1503 is far worse

>>10633629
>The second half
Starting from which part?

>>10625786
Not with those visuals.

>>10634412
>Scyther isn't half as popular as Scizor.
You must be from some different planet than me.

>>10634247
How did you react at the time?

>>10626646
I think I would like the game if it wouldn't almost always let you go game over at the first battle

>>10625654
If MM6 is incredibly flawed I don't wanna play perfect games

>>10635680
>Scyther isn't half as popular as Scizor.
It's true, zoomers don't like dinosaurs, so Scizor became the more popular form over time

>>10635931
based attitude. I'm making my way thru Wiz6 right now. played for 5 hours last night and I still have no idea what i'm doing but it's cool because of the soul in the game

>>10625850
I would assume it's because you can dominate the first gym and won't have a weakness against the 2nd, by the 3rd you'd be able to have a strong rock type but I don't know how those speed runs work.

>>10625654
Sonic Adventure.

Not even bait, its an objectively bad game but I like it. The controls are broken, it's idea of variety is gimmicks, the story is stupid, the acting is awful, you easily clip through walls, the on rails sections are frustrating.

But I still like it I don't know why. I couldn't ever defend it as a good game but there's something about it. It's probably just nostalgia honestly.

>>10625778
The controls aren't that bad, and the PS1 version gives you two methods for controls. Relative being tank controls and Absolute being you press a direction you will face and move to that direction. I found the tank controls more effective since you can easily strafe roll to avoid getting hit.

>>10637178
>The controls are broken

Why are so many people have problems with homing attack? It's the most basic mechanic you should learn in first minute of playing.

>>10634347
soul.

I recognize all it's shortcomings but none the less it's charm still wins me over.

>>10637203
The homing attack is a fantastic example of what I'm talking about. It's next to impossible to be accurate without it and it removes all skill from fighting enemies. All you have to do is press the jump button repeatedly and everything dies.

It's just papering over the cracks.

>>10625654

>>10637262
>It's next to impossible to be accurate without it

I knew the guy who had no idea that homing attack is a thing and completed the entire game without using it once.

He said he has no idea how he did it either. Must be a miracle

Lego rock raiders, the ps1 version and PAL version to be spefic, the usa version is even rougher in some parts, kinda feels like beta version, but anyway.

>shitty graphics, your character is tiny and everything looks pixelated mess and samey
>controls are confusing at first, and vehicles has weird tank controls
>jumping has cooldown
>characters has their own special skills but are meaningless in most cases
>one character can zoom out the view further than others, but it has glitch that when it goes back, it zooms in more than before using it, some other character spefic skills dont even work or do anything
>breaking rocks takes forever, and its not always clear which ones you can break, and then some requires spefic vehicle too, which are sometimes hard to tell even with the radar thing
>minimap that is just bunch of dots and useless at most time
>some missions has very strict time limit, especially for going gold medal
>veeeeery long loading times, especially on real ps1
>co-op missions are even worse since its not split screen so you cant leave the screen so its easy to miss jump and fall into lava/water and die
>if you die, you lose that character until you beat some missions with others, so its possible to get stuck on the slow character that cant beat some time restricted missions
>in USA version it forces you to use spefic characters and do missions in certain order, while in PAL you can choose whoever you want and whichever mission you want (I haven't completed the USA version so idk if its just the couple first ones)

but:
>awesome soundtrack
>the exploration is fun
>that atmosphere of exploring unknown planet while gathering resources and avoiding enemies
>once you learn the controls and its quirks its not that bad

>>10637292
I was really confused about what you were talking about until I realised that the ps1 version isn't an RTS like the PC version but some weird action game.

>>10625654
Elder scrolls Arena,its just so comfy.

>>10625654
Gabriel Knight 3.

I know the puzzles very often are shit and as a 3D game it's ugly as fuck. But i can't help liking it, it's comfy and it's one of the only point and click adventure games franchises where they actually built puzzles in the world around the leap to 3D

>>10637332
its top-down exploration game with some platforming where you explore the area, do the objectives such as finding some crystals, or rescue people, gather materials and build vehicles and then head back to the starting point or goal

>>10637420
Rennes-le-Chateau was really comfy.

>>10637420
Wasn't it built differently because the guy who started the engine or something left and then they hired another programmer who didn't know how to do camera so you ended up playing a ghost who can freely look around everywhere in free cam?

>>10628972
you didnt trust the heart of the cards then

>>10638126
>you ended up playing a ghost who can freely look around everywhere
I actually liked that. You could move around quickly with the camera and then when you interacted with something, Gabriel just teleported to where you were and walked in from off camera, as though he'd been with you all along.

It wasn't perfect, but I think it was one of the better solutions to make a fully explorable 3D adventure game that still felt and played as fast as an old point and click game.

>>10626646
>The atmosphere and OST is 2nd to none

This is exactly why I like it so much and why so many people have nostalgia for it. It 'felt' a lot different to the TV show (at least the 4kids version we all watched).

>>10625654
What do you mean incredibly flawed? It's a great game and certainly the best in its series.

>>10638253
Yes exactly this is why I liked it. You're in a 3D world and looking around freely, want to see if there's something in a bin? Float over and look down into it. Want to see something in more detail? Zoom in yourself. If it was by accident that the free roam camera became a thing then it was a beautiful accident.

This is compared to other 2D > 3D transitions where they either didn't know what to do with 3D so just added a bunch of box puzzles or whatever (Broken Sword 3) or where the basic design of the game was largely the same as the 2D games except now they had a 3D coat of paint and often the pixel hunting aspect was worsened (Broken Sword 4, Monkey Island 4).

I admit it was really janky and I think the obtuseness of some of the puzzles actually ruined the engine's potential but it did something with the transition to 3D which other games failed to achieve.

>>10625861
Why are you enticed by trannies?

>>10625654
I think it's simplicity is fun

>>10637273
This game is fairly well liked,

>>10637292
Lego Racers too.

>>10639401
I like your way of thinking, but Gabriel Knight 3 fucking sucked. Tank controls were beyond awful, the hud/inventory was abysmal and the puzzles were obtuse even for sierra logic.

It's a shame because I loved GK1 as ine of the finest, most atmospheric games of its day and even today and GK2 is the best fmv adventure game ever made, so 3 was a gut punch in every meaning of the word.

>>10640974
what's wrong with the HUD/inventory?

>>10625654

>>10625654
i liked 9 and it's even worse

>>10625778
really need to play this

>>10626029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW0P2HFTAXA

>>10637420
i haven't played the other ones but the atmosphere in 3 just feels like childhood vacation to me.

>>10637420
Agreed. Gabriel Knight 3 was incredibly comfy, one of the few games that I found genuinely intriguing plot-wise.

>>10625654

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_CCY9xkhB4

I just absolutely love this era of graphics and the mixture of 2d sprites with 3d environments. The added 90's "radness" just makes it even better.

I wish someone just modded it to make the walker mechanics less annoying.

>>10641898
It was needless, and by that I mean it was slow, and didn't fit with everything else that was just as slow.

>>10640242
I've only ever seen people shit on Glover.

>>10625654
Specifically the original ps1
>difficulty comes from complete lack of qa testing
>music takes ages to kick in, lasts 20 seconds, then cuts out again
>not using 99 code? then spend 7 hours farming for extra lives that DON'T respawn
>hoops don't work if you hold punch by accident
>clouds love to eat jump inputs
>the great electoon troll
But god healp me it's fun a hell when you get into that zone, and it all actually works

>>10625654
>ITT: Incredibly flawed games you like
Venom/Spider-Man: Separation Anxiety (1995)

Well... it's a beat 'em up where, after you pass its 1st level, only has 3 main enemy types that keep repeating forever, with 1 in particular taking up I think 90% of the enemy encounters as a whole, if that wasn't enough, the bosses, which is where I suppose you'd get more variety, has some of 'em repeat 3+ times... it's ridiculous and lazy. Also, its grabbing mechanic is a pain because you grab on enemies constantly when you don't want to, just to expose yourself to taking hits from surrouding enemies, you also barely get to use Spider-Man's and Venom's powers, very little actual wall crawl and web sling action, it's just punching the same few enemies and getting hit in way that feel very cheap... I still really like this one for some reason, that boss rush at the end can fuck itself though.

I think it's due to a few, but very important, sides of it. In both versions, but especially on SNES, its got a killer OST, not iconic as Maximum Carnage was, but still great and fitting to the adventure, its also got a satisfying punch SFX, and this genre manages to be satisfying as long as you don't go and mess up too much, something like Sword of Sodan. I also love the look and story it goes for.

>>10635541
Basically after you get off the Von Braun the quality starts decreasing noticeably in the level design department. The Rickenbacker is just mediocre but the body of the many is pretty bad IMO.

>>10625843
these guys and the two part marathon missions are FUCKED. still love the game however.

>>10625654
loli acquired

The best party in MM6 is a solo sorcerer. Prove me wrong.

>>10644726
Why are you feeding her a (dragon?) heart.

>>10645661
So that she grows strong and healthy.

Such an unbalanced pos but the power level is so high that everyone is fun. Also ring outs add a sense of dread you can't find in other 2D fighters

>>10625654
Incredibly flawed should mean that it gets 60-70% tops mainstream reviews at least.

>>10626076
i like that kind of stuff so this sounds right up my alley

>>10643494
It had more than one way to interact with things, which was pretty old-fashioned for an adventure game at that time. But I liked that. Too many adventure games went the simplified click-to-interact route, including GK2.

>>10625654
Moraff's World. I uploaded the full registered version on TheRomDepot dot com, 'cause the massive fraggot Steve Moraff only wanna sell his shit mahjongggg games now.
>>10625674
just play Yellow. or a hacked chineses ROM.

>>10631356
it's CRUSADER NO REGRETS AND CRUSADER NO REMORSE!!!

>>10637392
it's a shit grind. Ultima Underworlds was so much more superior, but linear.

>>10625843
>>10644698
hated it. even when i finally cheated to win, it felt like a shit grind.

>>10626291
Yeah, land battles are the worst part of the game, with Dune II-tier respawning turrets. Also surprise volcano eruption on your first island's iron mine.
Letting aside those minor flaws, the economy and visuals are just peak comfy. I also played 1404, that is objectively a better game, but doesn't have the charm of the original.

>>10643849
Always hated Rayman even as a kid