/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10631804
Never cared for 64, but loved Hero.

>>10631840
Game is okayish but the soundtrack goes so fucking hard

>>10631804
I've started playing Bomberman II on NES for the 1st time, after only ever playing the SNES ones... so what am I in for, my fellow Bomberman /vr/os?

So what's the lore behind Bomberman? Is he a robot or a guy in a weird futuristic ninja suit carrying bombs?
Are there AUs? What's the continuity? Is the original Bomberman actually the last episode in the Bomberman saga, considering it ends with Bomberman revealing himself as Lode Runner? Is it really a Lode Runner prequel?

>>10632330
There isn't defined lore or continuity because the creators just threw their hands in the air and said "let the kids imagine whatever they want".
Quote from interview:
> To be honest, I never reveal where the bombs come from. I think that's the difference between Mario and Bomberman: Mario has an established fictional universe, but nothing in Bomberman is set in stone. I think I'm coming over to the notion of everyone fleshing out the universe with their own individual ideas; it's somewhat addicting... Going back to the antenna, I think kids are the only ones who can answer that question with authority. It might not even be an antenna, but a solar power cell (Bomberman's energy source).
https://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/bomb/book/maniax/index.html#interview

>>10632754
What a terrible, spineless decision.

>>10632771
Agreed, I guess Hudson was too scared of alienating new players so almost every game is standalone.

>>10632330
there is no consistent bomberman lore
in the pc engine game, bomberman and black bomberman were created by a scientist

in later bomberman games they have like a whole race of bombermen

>>10632330
>>10632971
He's supposed to be a robot with a TV screen (or monitor, in general) as a face. The way he looks that we're familiar with is actually chibi-ized "retcon" of what he originally looked like, as seen as on both the Japanese and US covers for NES (Famicom) Bomberman which is actually what the Bomberman: Act Zero reboot on Xbox 360 was referencing

Ironically, they made chibi-er versions of his classic, established look that we all know and love, such as on the mediocre Bomberman for DS.

However, the fact that he is (now) a robot is ALSO a retcon, since the original PC releases show that he is just a guy with a hat on (similar to the UK's edition called "Charlie and the Floaters).

A lot of the games' lore is probably in-gags playing off of previous lore established in the series.

Tl;dr: He's a cartoon character like Bugs Bunny and other Looney Tunes, so don't think too far into it. It's a gameplay/hype-focused series full of retcons, but there are some design artifacts that still exist in the series (regardless of what the current Bomberman game's backstory is).

>>10631804
Bomberman Quest (GBC), Bomberman Tournament (GBA), and Bomberman Generations (GCN) is basically a trilogy of games. Aka, "The Charabom Trilogy"

There are also spiritual sequels to those games: the anime-based Bomberman Jetters games (the GC one is based off of Generations' gameplay and the JP-exclusive GBA one is based off of Tournament's gameplay).

>>10633118
Forgot that B-Quest has no Charaboms. So, those're more of a "Zelda-like Trilogy"

>>10631887
The sound track has no God damn business being that good

>>10631887
The transforming stages and salt bombs were beyond kino, though. Probably best single-player-focused Bomberman experience.

>>10631804
Bruh

>>10633109
Act Zero was so violently out of leftfield that it whiplashes back to being bold. I kinda want its characters to be brought into canon in the chibi style. Why the hell not, right?

>>10632330
I think Bomberman was the same protagonist from Lode Runner, if I'm not mistaken...

>>10633162
What a horrible time for gaming. Lots of companies trying to either make their characters edgy or more "western" like Lost Planet 3 and DmC.
Actually maybe that was 2 different eras but they felt back-to-back

>>10635252
For the west I think?
Bomberman NES ends with Bomberman becoming human and he is the protagonist in Lode Runner.

This one

>>10632297
A barebones version of the SNES games

>>10631804
I liked Bomberman ‘93, ‘94, the Super series, Quest, Tournament, and Jetters (GBA) a lot.
>>10632330
It’s all over the place. You could argue there was a bit of continuity in the games made between the early 90’s (starting with the 1990 Bomberman game) to the late 90’s (arguably ending with Hero), but very inconsistent. Bomberman himself switches between being a robot, alien, humanoid depending on the game/continuity, but most games, including the recent Super Bomberman R games have him confirmed as a robot. There are some AUs, like Bomberman Land, B-Daman Bakugaiden, or Jetters. There’s also Bombergirl, although that occasionally makes nods to the mainline games or even Jetters. None of those are canon to the mainline games. Even some of the mainline games are ambiguously canon like the IREM made arcade games or Atomic, like where do they go? You can also argue the 64 duology are their own canon.

>>10632771
>>10632785
Wrong. All the losers updating wikis, fandoms, etc. Get Reked, and choke on your fictional continuity.

>>10636082
What's wrong big boy, having to remember words and characters is too hard for you?

>>10636187
Some anons just want to enjoy the multiplayer all night, maybe finish with a bit of puyo puyo when the sun comes up

>>10631840
>Turn off console
>Lose literally all of your powerups including heart containers
Nah fuck this game.

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6434/


https://youtu.be/2fXG_AD4ZEk?si=jM6Hp_Bld1hZVt_x

>>10632771
Mario doesn't have consistent background either, does that make him a bad character?
Bomberman is sort of a Mario-esque character in terms of lore, you can freely give him any background and it works except that one time on Xbox

Hudson went a little bit of Sonic route during the days of Jetters sub-series but I'm glad they didn't make ol' White an edgy talkative teen.

>>10636718
Thanks, will check it out. Are there any other NES games that actually use this type of sound besides Langrange Point?

>>10636706
Aw shit, I guess you'll have to play the game you wanted to play again some time. How inconvenient.

>>10636718
> Category: Improvement
> requires specific Mesen fork to play
> cut down from 50 to 15 levels
> music is changed to weeaboo shit
> inserts le funny zoom memes
> improvement

Fucking Fecal Midas touch.

>>10631804
Bomberman Tournament is the best Zelda clone

>>10636718
wow, now it's extra hissy and buzzy, thank you romhackers

RoboWarrior isn't very good, but it's the best RoboWarrior

>>10631804
I played 1-2 games on the GB pocket cause my cousin got it before I did so I played when he got bored. I absolutely love Hero and 64 in their own respects, sadly Generations was the last game I ever played in the series cause after that it died off. I saw the gacha game and was interested in it cause muh waifus but other than that it suffers like alot of older mascot games by not adapting to modern industry standards

>>10637317
>Fecal Midas touch

>>10633162

Anyone else find Bomberman strangely frustrating as a franchise, because a series all about bombing things seems like it should be more fun than it is?
I'd like to see a Bomberman that was a 3D action game, with like terrain destruction mechanics.

>>10633162
It's fucking hilarious how Konami somehow referenced Act Zero as two waifu robots in one game but Hudson completely ignored it until their demise

>>10638257
> Anyone else find Bomberman strangely frustrating as a franchise

I don't. There was enough variety over the years and not so much bullshit to taint good memories of the franchise. I've had lots of fun with some spin-offs like Land! Touch, weird how nobody tried to copy that "micro-game amusement park metroidvania" setting, even Nintendo doesn't do that.

> terrain destruction mechanics

This is kinda present in Super Bomberman R, you can blow up pieces of terrain to lower it down and trap enemies (or yourself). But yeah, that should've been a thing much earlier on.

>>10636706
Play the jap version, not the cucked American one.

Bomberman '94 translation when

>>10640056
It's called Bomberman '08. We don't need a translation. What we need is a script port.

>>10640075
I've never heard of this. Thanks anon. I agree with your script port proposal, now.

Gonna play some Bomberman Max.
Also playing some bombergirl.

The amount of content in this game is just insane. It's the game that made me fall in love with Bomberman series and honestly, I do think Hudson Soft deserves to go bankrupt for not bringing this masterpiece to the west

The one on PSP doesn't count

>>10631804
Surprised Bomberman Wars wasn't mentioned yet, it's even in that aesthetic.
>>10641857
Bomberman Portable (the main one, not Land) was pretty good too, was kinda Hudson's last classicBomber game.

The classic games are nostalgic, fun and all, but I get an actual Bomberman itch I just come back to the fangame: Power Bomberman.
The amount of content is insane, and you can play a (mostly) smooth Online, I just hate when the only room up is the straightforward Full-Power arena with no soft-blocks, fuck man I like the build up towards the climax, starting at the climax every time is boring. Other than that, great game.

>>10631804
saturn bomberman is the only good one

>>10636741
>does that make him a bad character?
yes

>>10633162
Act Zero would have been fine if they had actually just made a 1-to-1 model of how he looked on the cover of the first game.

>>10643357
I'M GONNA BOOOMB

>>10638257
>Bomberman that was a 3D action game, with like terrain destruction mechanics.
They did that once and everyone hated it.

>>10640075
Googled this, looks like a phone game? how does one go about emulating something like this. There's been multiple phone games pre-apple/android im interested in and yes im too lazy to figure it out on my own

>>10643368
do people hate Hero? i thought it was generally liked, just not as loved as 64

>>10638257
Play Silent Bomber.

>>10642882
YOU'LL BE STABBED IN THE FUCKING THROAT

>>10643657
Is there an agenda against PB now? I rarely click /vr/ but I did today and saw a Bomber thread, it wasn't like that last time.

>>10643368
Kind of like that, but mixed with Red Faction.

>>10643415
Not necessarily HATE, but it was definitely seen as the black sheep of the series for a while.

>>10631804
I only got into the series recently with the Power Bomberman fan project and the SNES series too. I want to dive a bit deeper, does the original NES title still hold up on its own or has it aged poorly?

>>10644470
>aged

>>10644470
First one isn't worth playing imo but it's also a hell of an iconic game, so maybe for that alone?
I haven't played them all, there's a lot of curiosities that are fun to talk about but honestly? I wouldn't personally recommend them in a "go play this one" kind of way.
Excluding the Super series since you already mentioned them, the ones that still I remember fondly are:

>2D
Bomberman 94'
Saturn Bomberman

>3D
Bomberman 64
Second Attack
Fantasy Race (kino if you can survive the rough start)
Bomberman Hero

That's in terms of singleplayer mode, there's a bunch of other games I think have a neat Battle Mode (including the extremely underrated second Jetters game on the GBA, JP-only of course).
I also would recommend the Jetters anime itself but that may depend on taste.

Definitive gfcore

>>10643368
>everyone hated it
lolno

Bomberman 64 and Atomic Bomberman had insanely fast multiplayer if you have friends, my favorites. I had lots of 6 player Atomic Bomberman matches in college, even then it was already an old game but I got my friends addicted.
Bomberman Hero was a great single player campaign. It did make me uneasy though, even as a kid in the 90's, I don't know why. Not trying to start a new meme here but the music and visuals make me unconfortable for some reason. Am I the only one?

>>10645889
Some Bomberman fans at the time got pissy that they "dropped multiplayer", but the game was a Bonk 64 game that got recycled as Bomberman, in the first place.

>>10636187
Lore shouldn't be forced into every game when it doesn't add anything of value but only entertains autist retards.
Go read books.

>>10646217
It's definitely not the main focus, but lore is what makes Mario such a loveable universe, even if the lore is just consistency in enemy design. Bomberman could've benefited a bit by it

>>10646217
Lore keeps people talking about games and no amount of coping will change that.

>>10645957
>music and visuals make me uncomfortable for some reason
First I've heard of someone having a reaction like that. It's one of the cleaner looking games on N64. There is one music track that gives me an instant headache (I think it plays during the first stage you get the bubble power up) but just about every other track in that game is a banger.

There IS lore in Bomberman. It's just very hard to grasp, almost avant-garde in its narrative.

>>10646235
Mario's version of lore autism is the obscene ammount of subtle references to past games, like the ones in Mario Maker that only the people who coded Mario World would get.

>>10648029
>like the ones in Mario Maker that only the people who coded Mario World would get.
Never played Mario maker, what was it?

>>10649151
The ground pound smoke clouds in Mario Maker referencing a move from a scrapped Mario game.

https://tcrf.net/images/1/1e/Mario_Maker_Ground_Pound_Smoke_Clouds.gif

>>10633118
>>10633129
Thanks for the info anon, gotta try those GBA and gc games

>>10649990
You're welcome, anon. Have fun.

Unlike the other two, I still haven't played Generation (though I own it), hence why I kept fucking up its name. I just remember reading all about it back in a Nintendo Power preview back in the day.

>>10633109
This isn't plebbit, pal. You don't have to press enter twice after each sentence.

>>10652858
I was trying to make sure you could read all of what I was trying to convey, rather than it being all squashed up together like a wall of text. Predit spacing is when you space out every line in order to effeminately garner attention and convey "emotion & understanding" (notice that I didn't space out every line or sentence).

How come not many people here played the game on the OP?